Re: Crossbuilding 4-stable release on 5.x: perl missing
Following up on myself to get an answer into the archives... I finally managed to finish the release build by adding the LOCAL_SCRIPT variable. This script, run inside the chrooted environment, does the following 3 things: - create a working /etc/resolv.conf - pkg_add -r perl - mount devfs (another show-stopper I bumped into later) Ruben de Groot wrote: Hi there, I'm trying to build releases of releng_4 on a 5.2.1 system. Unfortunately, the build fails because there's no perl installed in the chrooted environment. Any tips or examples would be greatly appreciated as I'm a bit stuck here. Thanks Ruben ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
pflogsumm and postfix2 logs
Hello, I've got pflogsumm running to analyze and summarize postfix logs. In the report it is reporting zero for all activities, even though i've sent mail during the period of the check. Any ideas? Thanks. Dave. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
ideal ipfw traffic shaping rules for small DSL net
Hello network gurus, I'm looking for a good baseline ipfw shaping policy configuration for people who are using small upstream DSL bandwidth. I have 3Mbit downstream and 768K upstream and I use a ipf for natting and ipfw with dummynet to do traffic shaping. Considering a 750KB upstream pipe, what size queues would be the most beneficial to balance http, ssh, and other chat protocols sitting behind the natted firewall? I'm looking for some sample configurations to study. Any pointers appreciated! -Kenji -- + kenji morishige [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kenjim.com + ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
java not running .jar files without absolute path. (take II)
anyone have thoughts on the below? thanks. -- Begin forwarded message: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:20:35 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: java not running .jar files without absolute path. hey all, > which java /usr/local/jdk1.4.2/bin/java > java -jar Jreepad-1.0.jar Error: could not find libjava.so Error: could not find Java 2 Runtime Environment. however, the program will run with an absolute path: > /usr/local/jdk1.4.2/bin/java -jar Jreepad-1.0.jar i don't see any typos in my $PATH (witness 'which' result above). the same occurs with linux-sun-jdk (when i put it earlier in the $PATH) am i missing something? is this standard behaviour for java? thanks! epi ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
skippy-0.5.0 under fluxbox-devel-0.9.9 [take II]
for those of you running many windows under X, skippy might be of interest to you. check it out. if you manage to get it working and think you know what i'm doing wrong, please let me know. :)thanks. Begin forwarded message: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:51:55 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: skippy-0.5.0 under fluxbox-devel-0.9.9 hello all, has anyone got skippy to work under the most recent version of fluxbox? the skippy homepage (http://thegraveyard.org/skippy.php) says that it should. i followed the instructions about creating the .skippyrc file. when i try to launch skippy, i get the following errors: ~> skippy WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: [general] WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: keysym = F11 WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: distance = 50 WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: useNETWMFullscreen = true WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: ignoreSkipTaskbar = false WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: [xinerama] WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: showAll = false WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: [normal] WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: brightness = 0.0 WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: tint = white WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: opacity = 200 WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: border = black WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: [highlight] WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: brightness = 0.05 WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: tint = #d0d0ff WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: opacity = 255 WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: border = #d0d0ff WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: [tooltip] WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: show = true WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: border = black WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: background = #e0e0ff WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: text = black WARNING: Ignoring invalid line: font = fixed-11:weight=bold X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) Major opcode of failed request: 33 (X_GrabKey) Serial number of failed request: 92 Current serial number in output stream: 92 the author's usage instructions don't say anything about actually launching skippy, whether via a terminal or .xinitrc. i have the feeling that i missed a step somewhere along the way. any help would be appreciated. thanks! epi ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
freddbsd (Now what)
First Thanx to all for the book / website suggestions I have installed FreeBSD. I have two questions, I am a complete newby to unix. 1) I installed KDE lite package that came with the CD I downloaded. Now what? Where is it? What is my next step? 2) How do I edit my 10/100 card settings, I'm not sure they're right yet. Thanx Later, Leon A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Sir Winston Churchill ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
apcupsd port not starting
Hello, I've got the latest apcupsd port installed on my 5.2.1 machine. I've got an APC xs1500va UPS which is supported. I'm going by the apcupsd user's guide and have set both UPSTYPE and UPSCABLE to usb however when i start apcupsd i keep getting the message: "apcupsd driver type usb not found" and it suggests i rerun configure with the --enable-usb option. I check the port and one of the args passed to it's configure is --enable-usb. Any help appreciated. Thanks. Dave. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Printing to a network photosmart printer
On 06/08/04 05:46 PM, Warren Block sat at the `puter and typed: > On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Louis LeBlanc wrote: > > >> See /usr/ports/print/hpijs. > > > > This certainly claims to work. I'm not understanding something > > though. I'm trying to set it up through /etc/printcap as described, > > but I still get the same problem after restarting lpd. > > > > I've downloaded the ppd, done the edits as recommended, and the > > /etc/printcap entry is as follows: > > > > > > Here's where I'm not sure: The command I added to the ppd file is: > > *FoomaticRIPPostPipe: "| rlpr [EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > > > Now, I changed this under the assumption that the queue on the printer > > is named lp. The machine is reachable (and pingable) at the dns name > > "printer" so I'm sure that part is correct. > > HP JetDirects use "raw" for the queue name. Here is your printcap with > some suggested changes: > > > lp|HP PSC 2510:\ > :lp=:\ > >:rm=printer:\ > :rp=raw:\ > >:if=/usr/local/bin/foomatic-rip:\ > >:af=/usr/local/etc/cups/ppd/HP-PSC_2500-hpijs.ppd:\ > >:sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ > :mx#0:\ > >:sh: > > (Your if= and af= might be wrong; don't know.) Thank you *very* much for your help Warren. It turned out something was still wrong. I tried the CUPS install, and apparently found something right, because I managed to get a test page printed from the web interface to CUPS. Looked pretty darn good actually. The printcap file was automatically generated from the web management input (http://localhost:631) which was pretty easy. The only thing in the printcap other than comments was lp|lp:rm=keyslapper.org:rp=lp: Once I got cups-lpr installed, it works fine. Now the tricky part is remembering the path to the cups version. I can live with that. Thanks again. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org ԿԬ Horner's Five Thumb Postulate: Experience varies directly with equipment ruined. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: freebsd- Newby question
I am trying to learn unix. I need a recommendation for a good beginers book (eg: Unix for dummies) AbsoluteBSD by MICHAEL LUCAS ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: does NATd _prevent_ use of stateful ipfw rules w/ keep-state?
Thanks for your example. I have finally had time to study it and I see the flaw in it. The example works fine for creating the entry in the dynamic table for setup of keep-state inbound and outbound session start requests. It even handles inbound packets that are part of an established session conversations, But for established outbound session conversations the check-state rule releases the packet before it has been nated. There lies in the flaw. Do you have any suggestions on how to correct this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas Wolf Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: does NATd _prevent_ use of stateful ipfw rules w/ keep-state? JJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Where do you get off calling my questioning of Luigi Rizzo's answer > as an attack. > I have heard that party line statement all to often over that last 4 > years, with no backup proof. That party line canned answer may be > sufficient for the original thread poster who has not invested the > time yet to come to the realization that it doe's not work. > My post to the tread was meant to bring this problem out so the > experts can look into it and take corrective actions. This should work although some features are missing (loopback, anti-spoofing, identd..): #!/bin/sh log="log" cmd="ipfw add" allow="skipto 1" oif=rl0 good_tcp="22,25,53,80,443,110" good_udp="53" good_icmp="icmptypes 0,3,8,11,12" ipfw -f flush $cmd 100 divert natd ip from any to any in via $oif $cmd 105 check-state $cmd 110 $allow icmp from any to any $good_icmp $cmd 120 $allow udp from any to any $good_udp out keep-state $cmd 130 $allow tcp from any to any $good_tcp out setup keep-state $cmd 140 deny $log ip from any to any $cmd 1 divert natd ip from any to any out via $oif $cmd 10010 allow ip from any to any $cmd 10020 deny ip from any to any Thomas -- Thomas Wolf Wiener Software Fabrik Dubas u. Wolf GMBH 1050 Wien, Mittersteig 4 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ipfw To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: freebsd- Newby question
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 04:27 pm, LW Ellis wrote: > I am trying to learn unix. I need a recommendation for a good beginers book > (eg: Unix for dummies) I like Sobell's book, "A Practical Guide to the Unix System" Jay ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Building Perl with shared lib libperl
Trying to install a procedural language in PostgreSQL 7.4.2, pl/perl, but it complains that my 'libperl is not a shared library' and that I may need to rebuild my Perl. I am using Perl 5.6.1, is there a way to set this option when using the port /usr/ports/lang/perl5? -- Robert ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Top Consistency
In the last episode (Jun 08), Doug Hardie said: > I am running FreeBSD 4.6 and top does not show consistent data (at > least in my understanding). The cpu states line shows the percent of > time in user state. I would expect the percent processor used by all > the active processes to add up to something close to that. (single > processor machine). However, it never seems to come close. Often it > will show 25% user and the sums of the active processes utilizations > will be around 2%. Other times it will show 2% user and the sum of > the processes is over 10%. Is top wacky or is my understanding > wrong? The %WCPU and %CPU columns are weighted averages over ~60 seconds, while the "CPU states" row is an instantaneous snapshot, so they will almost never total up. -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Anti-Spam app for sendmail
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Thomas Farrell wrote: > cpan mods needed. I am using mailmonitor & sophos sweep works great I can > block files or file extentions types, block subject content, quarantine > infected attachments, attempt to clean them. You can go to sophos.com and > fill out evalutaions for both mailmonitor & sweep . One thing mailmonitor > needs to be run in linux compatibility mode and you need to install the > linux versions of sweep & mailmonitor . They actually make software > packages for BSD. unfourtunatly mailmonitor is targeted to linux ,solaris & > Windoz . > I'm using mimedefang+clamav for virus/malware. clamav is an open source antivirus which works great for me For spam, I use spamassasin called from within mimedefang. Fer ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Improper shutdown of system / Fragmentation Problems / Boot logs
Sometimes the power goes out and my machine shuts off . when I power it backup it fails at check root file system. and drops me into a shell I run fsck /dev/da0s1a and answer yes to fixing of fragmented inodes. figure out what drive/partition root is mounted of by typing df and then run fsck on it. ssigc# df Filesystem 1K-blocks UsedAvail Capacity Mounted on /dev/da0s1a 1813422 1323568 344478239%/ ssigc#fsck /dev/da0s1a - Original Message - From: "Bruce Hunter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:01 AM Subject: Improper shutdown of system / Fragmentation Problems / Boot logs > I am kinda new to FBSD, still kinda learning stuff. Anyway, when my > system boots i see all kinda fragmentation information. How do I correct > this? Any good reading material? Also, what should I do when I shutdown > my system incorrectly and boot up again? Last questions! I promise. Is > there a file that shows the data printed to screen durning boot? > Probably, a log file. > > Thanks guys, > Bruce > > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Anti-Spam app for sendmail
Yes Mailscanner is good but you may have to jump through hoops to get it to work with BSD . No matter what OS you will still need to install a bunch of perl modules for mailscanner & spamassasin. If thats ok with you then they are pretty good. First your going to need a licensed version of sometype of antivirus application you can always get freeB's but they will eventually run out. some of the AV for BSD are panda, kaspersky,. macfee, and Sophos & fprot . Both Fprot & Sophos have evaluation versions both are easy to install and use. Your next choice is what mailscanner application to use. I have setup mailscanner with the fprot & sweep succesfully on 4.8 could not get it to work on 5.0 . I did not even try spamassasin because of all the cpan mods needed. I am using mailmonitor & sophos sweep works great I can block files or file extentions types, block subject content, quarantine infected attachments, attempt to clean them. You can go to sophos.com and fill out evalutaions for both mailmonitor & sweep . One thing mailmonitor needs to be run in linux compatibility mode and you need to install the linux versions of sweep & mailmonitor . They actually make software packages for BSD. unfourtunatly mailmonitor is targeted to linux ,solaris & Windoz . PS I had rambled on about sophos & mailmonitor in another bsd question here is the link and here is a response from some guy in Germany or something . I guess he is using some other mailscanning software check it out. http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg65212.html http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg65240.html I wonder who should ever need mailmonitor in FreeBSD > Here we are running Sophos on several FBSD machines and we use amavis to make it scan and filter > our mails. That works perfectly and so I see no need for mailmonitor at all. - Original Message - From: "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FreeBSD Questions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:35 AM Subject: Anti-Spam app for sendmail > Any comments on a good anti-spam app that works with sendmail for a mail > server? > > -- > Best regards, > Chris > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Top Consistency
I am running FreeBSD 4.6 and top does not show consistent data (at least in my understanding). The cpu states line shows the percent of time in user state. I would expect the percent processor used by all the active processes to add up to something close to that. (single processor machine). However, it never seems to come close. Often it will show 25% user and the sums of the active processes utilizations will be around 2%. Other times it will show 2% user and the sum of the processes is over 10%. Is top wacky or is my understanding wrong? ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Problem with Xfree86 resolution
Not sure if this is something I did, or it's a limit of the driver or the card. But I have a Nvidia FX 5200 I'm running and I tried bumping it to 1400x1050 resolution with no luck. Same with 1600x1200. It seems stuck at 1280x1024 resolution and I can't get it to go any higher. Do I need to bump my monitor refresh or sync or anything like that? I'm kinda stumped on this. Any pointers would be welcome. Thanks. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades
HI Luke, Thanks for your advice. > > Is there a way updating all installed ports > > automatically wheneven the server/workstation is > > booted and connected to Internet, similar to ntp > > synchronizing the clock. > > > in theory it should be possible to write a script > that runs portupgrade > and then run it once at boot time from cron but I > have never done it > personally. I can see some potential for disaster if > it is not done with > extreme care. Where can I find some reference in this respect. TIA B.R. Stephen ___ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com.hk address at http://mail.english.yahoo.com.hk ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Leaving a server on all day
I'm surprised no one's mentioned this yet, but one way to significantly reduce power consumption is to downclock the processor. Yes, that reduces performance, but chances are you won't even notice it unless you're running the server under a heavy load. You said your network consists of two machines (a laptop and desktop) - that is very far from a "heavy load". You said you have a 1.8 GHz Athlon - if you downclocked it 50% you still probably wouldn't notice any change. I have an old machine with a 300 MHz processor, but even that is more than adequate when it's only serving web pages or mail to a single laptop. On most new motherboards, you set the clock speed in the BIOS, but on older machines it requires changing jumper settings. Obviously, doing it in BIOS is much easier. > : Yes; spills, flying objects, whatever. Most importantly, it's not on > : the floor, and securely on my desk. I deal w/ the noise by keeping > the > > What is so bad with the floor? I've found that when the machine is left on the floor, it sucks in a lot of dust. And the dust coats everything and makes it run hotter. I live in a dusty place, so I periodically have to open the case and blow out the dust with an air compressor. > : > That reminds me: is a CD/RW a feasible data backup device? I've > never used: > mine. > : > : For me, yes it is. Tapes are, or were, too expensive. The CD/RW I Read the FreeBSD Handbook, the section on "Raw Data CDs". That's the backup method I use, and it works well. It's also kind of nice that nobody else can read your CDs unless they're using FreeBSD. regards, Robert ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Improper shutdown of system / Fragmentation Problems / Boot logs
> I am kinda new to FBSD, still kinda learning stuff. Anyway, when my > system boots i see all kinda fragmentation information. How do I > correct this? Any good reading material? FreeBSD will defragment itself without any action from the user. However, defragmentation requires some blank space, and (ideally) you should not let any partition get more than 80% full. You can check on that with "df -h": [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad0s2a 248M68M 160M30%/ devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100%/dev /dev/ad0s2g 2.4G 281M 1.9G13%/home /dev/ad0s2e 248M 1.2M 227M 1%/tmp /dev/ad0s2f 8.7G 2.4G 5.6G30%/usr /dev/ad0s2d 248M17M 211M 8%/var The column labeled "Capacity" tells you the percentage of space being consumed - over 80% would be bad. Note that the "devfs" uses 100% (on FBSD 5.x, it doesn't exist on 4.x) - that's no problem, it's not a partition and it will always be 100%. regards, Robert ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Leaving a server on all day
Mike Jeays writes: > A typical workstation might use 50 watts when idle. If power is > 5 cents per KW=hour, it will cost you about $2 a month. 50 watts > used to heat your room won't make a lot of difference - just a > bit less than a 60 watt light bulb... You might be surprised. We have an "office" that has one computer 24x7 and two more averaging 16x7. In winter, when rest of the house is 68, the office can be as much as 10 degrees warmer Robert Huff ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Anti-Spam app for sendmail
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 10:35:45AM -0500, Chris wrote: > Any comments on a good anti-spam app that works with sendmail for a mail > server? I'd highly recommend MailScanner (http://www.mailscanner.info) combined with SpamAssassin (http://www.spamassassin.org) and ClamAv (http://www.clamav.net/). The great thing about MailScanner is that it doesn't use milters, so you don't have to wait for a program to fire up and risk sending back temporary failure error codes. As long as your disks can keep up and you don't run out of queue space, it doesn't matter how long MailScanner takes to process messages. It'll also process messages in blocks, which makes things a lot more efficient if you're processing large amounts of mail. -- -- Skylar Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- http://www.cs.earlham.edu/~skylar/ pgpf9n4PBhuk2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 16:06, Bill Moran wrote: > Charles Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jun 8, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Bill Moran wrote: > > >> Hopefully I'll get my flat screen back soon from repair. I guess > > >> those use > > >> less power, right? > > > > > > I remember having this conversation with someone not too long ago, and > > > our > > > consensus was that flat screens used just as much power as tube > > > monitors. Don't > > > hold me to that, though, I don't seem to remember our testing > > > technique as being > > > very ... uhm ... "scientific". > > > > No need to guess, use an amp-meter. :-) > > What a crazy idea. > > I seem to remember plugging monitors into a UPS in an attempt to use the cheesy > "load meter" lights to tell which was drawing more juice, when that didn't > show us any difference, we tried watching the power meter outside ... trying to > guess which monitor made it spin faster ... > > > >> Also, a 1.8GHz Athlon won't use any more power than > > >> necessary during idle time, right? > > > > > > Different processors are different. Many newer CPUs will throttle > > > their power > > > consumption while the machine is idle, but most older ones can't do > > > this. > > > You'll need to research the specific CPU + motherboard to see if this > > > is > > > available or not, but (as far as my lousy memory serves) Athlons in > > > the 1.8G > > > range don't support reduced power during non-usage, and will consume > > > just as > > > many watts while the system is idle as while it's doing a buildworld. > > > > A 1.8GHz AMD is likely to be a Barton, or possibly a later-model > > Thoroughbred. The CPU should have AMD's PowerNow! capabilities if APCI > > is enabled, and they should also significantly reduce power consumption > > if the OS runs the HLT instruction in the idle loop. > > Ahh ... didn't know the 1.8s had that in them. > > > I have one machine with an AMD 1800+ (1.54 MHz T'bred-B), which runs at > > perhaps 48 or 50 C if the system is idle. If I run something like > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a day or so, the CPU will go up to around 56 or even 57 C > > as a result of the load. The difference in thermal output due to load > > is very obvious. > > But is thermal output a reliable indicator of power usage? Logically, it seems > like it would be, but I'd hate to assume. Virtually all the power used gets converted into heat that will heat up your room. A typical workstation might use 50 watts when idle. If power is 5 cents per KW=hour, it will cost you about $2 a month. 50 watts used to heat your room won't make a lot of difference - just a bit less than a 60 watt light bulb... ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
apache 2 in ports
Hi, I want to compile apache2 from ports with suexec. Yet there is no mention of it at all in the Make file. It is in Makefile.doc but i'm not sure if thats what i should beusing. Can someone fill me in please. Jeff. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
FreeBSD on Soekris Boards (Was: Re: Leaving a server on all day)
> > Perhaps something like Soekris boards could be useful? Has > > someone used them to build a power-saving server? > > Sure. I've got a Soekris net4801 sitting right next to me which is > running some custom network monitoring/IDS/IPS software, and the Via > EPIA mini-ITX form factor is another good choice for low-power > computing. The EPIAs seem to have slightly flaky ATA support, though. Ah yes, there are some howtos out there how to put FreeBSD 5.2.1 on a Soekris net4801; so it obviously seems to work. Could someone with an net4801 please write an article for inclusion in the Handbook? It would be great to have everything in one place :) Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Printing to a network photosmart printer
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Louis LeBlanc wrote: See /usr/ports/print/hpijs. This certainly claims to work. I'm not understanding something though. I'm trying to set it up through /etc/printcap as described, but I still get the same problem after restarting lpd. I've downloaded the ppd, done the edits as recommended, and the /etc/printcap entry is as follows: Here's where I'm not sure: The command I added to the ppd file is: *FoomaticRIPPostPipe: "| rlpr [EMAIL PROTECTED]" Now, I changed this under the assumption that the queue on the printer is named lp. The machine is reachable (and pingable) at the dns name "printer" so I'm sure that part is correct. HP JetDirects use "raw" for the queue name. Here is your printcap with some suggested changes: lp|HP PSC 2510:\ :lp=:\ :rm=printer:\ :rp=raw:\ :if=/usr/local/bin/foomatic-rip:\ :af=/usr/local/etc/cups/ppd/HP-PSC_2500-hpijs.ppd:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ :mx#0:\ :sh: (Your if= and af= might be wrong; don't know.) -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Problem: cannot install on Dell 400SC
Hi, I am hoping someone can give us some clues about this problem. A couple of us have done some searching, but found nothing that bears directly on it. Maybe some different search clues might also help. I am hoping for more than just "it won't work, because..." but, even a conclusive one of those would get us off the point - which begins to dig in after a while... Sorry this is rather long, but I wanted to include anything that might possibly be relevant. Here goes. One of our sites recently purchased a Dell Poweredge 400SC and wants to run our school district network server system on it. Our system is currently based on FreeBSD 4.9 with some modifications to control the initial installation and aid in system management. We have it running on a number of other Dell Poweredge machines but not this particular model and especially not the LSIL SCSI controller. It has a 2.4G Celeron CPU, 1 GB Memory Planar PE400SC, A/N, 2 Motherboard LSI Logics 53C1030 SCSI controller Fujitsu 36GB MAP337NP SCSI U320, 10K, 68 Pin connector hard drive. + NIC, IDE controller, CDROM, Tape drive, etc. Although this model was not our recommendation, it would look like, on paper, that it should at least, function. But,,, We cannot get any FreeBSD system to install on it, not ours or even a straight FreeBSD 4.9 or 5.2.1 system - and I just tried 4.10 too with the same result. It reads the CD, boots into the sysinstall or our install system just fine. It appears to do the fdisk and disklabel just fine. Then it hangs or appears to hang trying to do the newfs. It puts out the message about writing superblocks and then nothing more comes out - no list of superblocks of any kind, not even the first. I have made up variations on our version of sysinstall with additional messages but have not gotten any information that means anything to me. After a wait of several minutes it writes stuff to the ALT console. If I let it set long enough (hours) it puts out a failed message. I didn't have any MS install media handy, But did have my Partition Magic "emergency" boot floppies around so I used them to take a look after having attempted to do first our install, then FreeBSD 4.9 and finally FreeBSD 5.2.1. PM quite happily looked at things and recognized the FreeBSD slice (which, of course it called a partition). So, I deleted the slice and created two and used the FreeBSD install CD to attempt to install on the second slice (da0s2) which it seemed happy to do.After checking again with PM and seeing that the new slicing had the FreeBSD id one it I popped in another FreeBSD cd and sysinstall happily read up that label with all the FreeBSD partitions (a,b,e,f,g,h) that I had made. So, FreeBSD can obviously write some part of the disk. But, newfs still would get to writing superblocks and then nothing more happened. That is the thing that seems odd to me. It does write to some part of the disk, enough to write label information. But, it does not seem to be able to do any other type of write to the disk. So, are the writes so different that a controller can handle one and not the other? There are several LSIL SCSI controllers listed in the hardware list and some in the 53C series, but not exactly 53C1030. Can the write be enough similar to handle labels, but not other stuff? One of the other people in our group put Linux on it - Debian I believe - and it appeared to install and write the disk just fine. So, I take that to mean that it isn't really just a flawed disk, though I suppose that is still possible. So, here is a blow-by-blow using any of the FreeBSD RELEASE cds I happen to have handy (4.9. 5.2.1 and 4.10). Basically, everything looks like it is going fine until after I select commit. It happily puts up a message on the curses screen saying "Making a new root filesystem on /dev/da0s1a" Then it stops and appears to do no more - at least for a long time. Here are the ALT-F2 console messages from when it starts to operate on the disk: |DEBUG: Scanning disk da0 for root filesystem |DEBUG: Scanning disk da0 for swap filesystem |Warning: Block size and bytes per inode restrict cylinders per group to 89 | |/dev/da0s1a1048576 Sectors in 256 Cylinders of 1 tracks, 4096 sectors | 512,0 MG in 3 cylinder groups (89 c/g, 178.00 MG/g, 21632 i/g) | |Super-block backups (for fsck -b #) at: | | Here we get a long wait | |mpt1: time out on request index = 0xfe sequence=0x00e8 |mpt1: Status 0001; Mask 0001; Doorbell 2400 |request State on CHip |SCSI IO Request @ 0xc038b0b0 | Chain Offset 0x10 | Msg Flags 0x00 | Msg Content 0x00fe | Bus: 0 | TargetID 0 | Sense Buffer Length 32 | LUN: 0x0 | Control 0x0106 WRITE SIMPLEQ
OT: The fan club (was: Re: [Going further OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day)
On 8 Jun 2004 at 13:45, Jason Taylor wrote:
> Bill Moran wrote:
>
> > Nico Meijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>BTW - I'd make sure I'd get/have a decent computer case with a decent
> >>PSU with enough room for some decent 80mm or larger low noise fans
> >>rather than opening up the side panel. Perhaps an aluminum (Chieftec
> >>Dragon, anyone?) case with some Enermax and Zalman coolers and PSU might
> >>do the trick. I've {b,s}een told a good airflow (front to back) is king.
> >
> > I saw an article recently by a guy who had a degree in thermal dynamics or
> > something that was dispelling the common myths about PC cooling.
> >
> > His conclusion was basically that airflow is king. You need to move air across
> > the heat sinks that is cooler than the heat sinks are. Sounds simple, but the
> > overall conclusion was that you could improve cooling without increasing noise
> > by ensuring that air from _outside_ the case was flowing directly over the
> > processor heatsink. Reason this works well is becuase the air inside the case
> > is usually considerably warmer than the air outside the case, and moving warm
> > air across the heat sink doesn't accomplish much. By drawing cool air in from
> > outside the case, things stay cooler.
> >
> > Anyway, his suggestion was that the best thing you could do for your cooling
> > rig was to purchase/fab one of those little duct kits that allows the cpu fan
> > to pull air from outside the case. Some cases even have the duct built in (my
> > brother's computer does).
> >
> Ok, I'll chime in here. Here's what everything I ever learned about
> heat transfer and fluid flow tells me:
>
> Everything Bill is saying is correct. The best way to cool is to move
> as much fluid (air is a fluid for the purpose of this discussion) as
> fast as possible across whatever is hot. Of course, the fluid has to be
> cooler than whatever is being cooled. A fan rotating at certain speed
> is going to push a given volume of air in a given amount of time. By
> leaving the case covers on and providing only a few small "holes" for
> the air to travel through, you're going to force the air coming through
> those holes to travel through the case faster.
>
> That being said, if the case design, component placement, etc. is such
> that leaving the the cover off actually allows a significantly greater
> volume of air to get to the heatsink(s) in a given amount of time, then
> leaving the cover off is a good thing.
Okay, no degree in thermal here, but I used to design these things for
a living (Dell, Tandem, Datapoint). Sorry I missed the start of this
thread, but I'll jump in here and see how much confusion I can
generate.
The generalities above are generally true, generally. :-)
Leaving a cover off may help or it may hurt, depending upon what's hot
in the case and how leaving the cover off affects airflow over those
items. What you're interested in is a maximum of airflow (volume more
than velocity) and a maximum of temperature delta specifically at the
hot components. (This assumes the temp of the air is lower than the
hot component. If it's warmer than the hot component your house is
probably on fire and you've got bigger problems.)
You're also interested in things like maximum surface area at the
heatsink/fluid interface, but that's a function of heatsink design, not
fan design or placement, and there are other factors influencing the
design of that interface. Obviously, if heatsink blades are crosswise
to the airflow the heatsink will be much less efficient.
If the case is really well designed, the incoming air is directed at
the hot components. Since cases are generally generic and motherboards
don't always put things in the same place, this may or may not be
achieved. This matchup issue is one of the reasons generic cases
usually don't have ducts, since a misdirected duct is worse than no
duct. If you're Dell or HP and control both the MB and the case, you
can use good, cheap ducts to allow the use of cheaper heatsinks because
you know where everything is. If the incoming cool air is not directed
at the hot components, leaving off the cover may actually help, but if
the case and motherboard are a good match leaving off the cover can
disrupt the planned flow.
For moving a lot of air with low noise, go for the largest fan you can
and run it slow. The cases I'm using these days to build workstations
are Antec Sonatas, and I mount two 120 mm fans, one in front and one in
the rear, one exhausting and one intaking (therefore in series). I
wish they had proper ducting like the Fong Kai 603 I used to use, but
our components are staying cool enough and the noise level is low. If
you prefer aluminum, the Antec Super LANboy is very similar to the
Sonata, and we have one of these for a machine we carry around quite a
bit. Aluminum is a great help for weight, but I doubt it adds much to
cooling unless you're mountin
Re: Printing to a network photosmart printer
On 06/07/04 05:18 PM, Warren Block sat at the `puter and typed: > On Sun, 6 Jun 2004, Louis LeBlanc wrote: > > > Since I've just gotten hold of a shiny new HP PSC photosmart 2510 > > printer, I'd really like to get some use out of it from my FreeBSD > > system (don't want to waste it on the Windoze box). Does anyone know > > if and how this can be done? > > First, check for information on that printer on > > http://www.linuxprinting.org > > There's no PSC 2510, but there is a PSC 2500, which is probably close > enough. It uses the hpijs driver. > > > BTW, it is network capable, and is plugged directly into the hub, with > > the link indicating 100TX half duplex. > > > > I've tried apsfilter, and a good many of the ghostscript drivers, but > > no good has come of it so far. > > See /usr/ports/print/hpijs. This certainly claims to work. I'm not understanding something though. I'm trying to set it up through /etc/printcap as described, but I still get the same problem after restarting lpd. I've downloaded the ppd, done the edits as recommended, and the /etc/printcap entry is as follows: lp|HP PSC 2510:\ :lp=/dev/null:\ :rm=printer:\ :if=/usr/local/bin/foomatic-rip:\ :af=/usr/local/etc/cups/ppd/HP-PSC_2500-hpijs.ppd:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ :mx#0\ :sh: Here's where I'm not sure: The command I added to the ppd file is: *FoomaticRIPPostPipe: "| rlpr [EMAIL PROTECTED]" Now, I changed this under the assumption that the queue on the printer is named lp. The machine is reachable (and pingable) at the dns name "printer" so I'm sure that part is correct. The thing is, after I start up lpd, I check the status: # lpc status lp lp: queuing is enabled printing is enabled no entries in spool area printer idle Which is encouraging. Problem is, once I try to send something to the printer: $ lpr -Plp flags.txt And check the status, I get: # lpc status lp lp: queuing is enabled printing is enabled 1 entry in spool area waiting for 10.8.20.10 to come up Looks like it's just not able to find it. Eventually, the IP is replaced with the machine's name (printer). The problem is, I don't know if the queue is really named lp. There's no documentation on it, and no mention in the thick book that came with it. Of course, it is probably worth mentioning that this appears to be closer than I had gotten in the past (at least it's waiting :). Can anyone give some pointers? Lou -- Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org ԿԬ What no spouse of a writer can ever understand is that a writer is working when he's staring out the window. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: VPN server
PPTP solutions for FreeBSD include MPD and Poptop IPSEC/VPN solution include using kernel IPSEC and GIF interfaces : http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ipsec.html check out http://www.section6.net/help/pptphow.php for info on a dedicated PPTP server using FreeBSD Thomas Foster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Lewis Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 3:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VPN server I am looking for some recomendations for a powerful (yet simple if possible) VPN server. At present I will need to only have access to one other network in a different office running Win2K PPTP. Hopefully I will need to expand in the future to other networks that may or may not be MS based. I would like if possible for the connections to be completly transparent to a user. Best case senario is the user signs on to thier FreeBSD (I am in a mixed network so there are a few XP systems also) system and opens up an application (or browse to a share on the other network) that connects to the other network and it connects without any more user intervention. LOL I am not asking much am I? Thank you, Joshua Lewis ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
AWSTATS Error & Resolution
After upgrading perl from 5.8.2 to 5.8.4, following the instructions in /usr/ports/UPDATING, I found awstats-6.0_1 no longer worked. I ran awstats.pl interactively and received the following error: Bizarre copy of ARRAY in aassign at /path/to/awstats.pl line 8707 After some checking, I found this issue was fixed in awstats.pl revision 1.747. I downloaded the most current revision (1.755) and replaced the revision that's included with the port. This seems to solve the problem. YMMV. Is it appropriate to send a problem report about this? I've never sent one so I want to be sure before bugging someone. Hopefully this post will save others from having to research and resolve this issue. Drew -- Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse Magic Tricks, DVDs, Videos, Books, & More! http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: make buildworld problem [lib/libedit]
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 17:41, Mantas Audickas wrote: > Hello there, > i don't know where to ask.. i have tried in many irc channels, but no > one could help me.. > so i'm trying to make buildworld, but there i get an error, always the > same.. i have tried in fresh installed os, with GENERIC kernel and with > my own, cvsup source and so on.. but nothing goes better.. > I have read /usr/src/UPDATING.. and tried to follow rules. > I put error log file in http://migla.ktu.lt/~cerberis/error .. maybe you > can help me? > There was a thread about libedit, tr(1) and setlocale(3) on the freebsd-current mailing list. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2004-March/thread.html#22517 regards ch -- Christian Hiris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | OpenPGP KeyID 0x941B6B0B OpenPGP-Key at hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net and http://pgp.mit.edu pgpkrJOGmRpwa.pgp Description: signature
Re: [still going ... OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day
Kevin Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Jason Taylor wrote: > > > Ok, I'll chime in here. Here's what everything I ever learned about > > heat transfer and fluid flow tells me: > > > > Everything Bill is saying is correct. The best way to cool is to move > > as much fluid (air is a fluid for the purpose of this discussion) as > > fast as possible across whatever is hot. > > As a point of interest, "as fast as possible" isn't always correct, though > it may be WRT practical case-cooling considerations. One consideration in > designing race cars, especially those using stock engines, is to not > overdrive the water pump at high rpms. Not because of cavitation, because > you can flow water through the engine faster than is optimal for heat > dissipation. Non intuitive, but true - has to do with the heat transfer > across the water/metal surfaces and is otherwise over my head. ;) I think the original point of my post was lost. Looking back, I don't think I explained it well. The author's point (damn ... wish I had saved a link to that URL) is that temp differential is more important than air volume. The upshot being that by bringing air in from the outside of the case (which is cooler) you can run slower fans (thus have a quieter system) and have the same quality of cooling. The flip side is that if you need _more_ cooling, you can keep the same speed fans, and by using cooler air you end up with better cooling overall. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
VPN server
I am looking for some recomendations for a powerful (yet simple if possible) VPN server. At present I will need to only have access to one other network in a different office running Win2K PPTP. Hopefully I will need to expand in the future to other networks that may or may not be MS based. I would like if possible for the connections to be completly transparent to a user. Best case senario is the user signs on to thier FreeBSD (I am in a mixed network so there are a few XP systems also) system and opens up an application (or browse to a share on the other network) that connects to the other network and it connects without any more user intervention. LOL I am not asking much am I? Thank you, Joshua Lewis ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: freebsd- Newby question
"LW Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am trying to learn unix. I need a recommendation for a good beginers book > (eg: Unix for dummies) > I install Freebsd on an old desktop, but I have never used unix, and need a > starting point. _The_Comlete_FreeBSD_ by Greg Lehey has a lot of good chapters for beginners, and as you learn, it'll still have a lot to teach you. The online FreeBSD Handbook also has a chapter on basics: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/basics.html HTH -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [Going further OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Jason Taylor wrote: > Ok, I'll chime in here. Here's what everything I ever learned about > heat transfer and fluid flow tells me: > > Everything Bill is saying is correct. The best way to cool is to move > as much fluid (air is a fluid for the purpose of this discussion) as > fast as possible across whatever is hot. As a point of interest, "as fast as possible" isn't always correct, though it may be WRT practical case-cooling considerations. One consideration in designing race cars, especially those using stock engines, is to not overdrive the water pump at high rpms. Not because of cavitation, because you can flow water through the engine faster than is optimal for heat dissipation. Non intuitive, but true - has to do with the heat transfer across the water/metal surfaces and is otherwise over my head. ;) KeS ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: mysql user
Thanks everyone... ;) Next time I'll use the ports. seems way easier (and originally that was the reason I choose FreeBSD over Linux! :S ) - Original Message - From: "Matthew Seaman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RazorOnFreeBSD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:42 PM Subject: Re: mysql user ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Hyperthreading question
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 03:36:28PM -0400, Dwayne MacKinnon wrote: : : I'm upgrading some machines from 4.8-RELEASE to 4.10-RELEASE. The : machines in question are dual-processor xeon boxes. Now, my boss is : adamant in that he doesn't want hyperthreading enabled on the machines. : : In 4.8-RELEASE things were simple... I just didn't add the "options HTT" : line to my kernel config file. In 4.10-RELEASE though, HTT is enabled by : default. : : So, is there any way to shut off the hyperthreading? I've tried : disabling it in the BIOS, and had no luck whatsoever. Hyperthreading is built into the kernel by default starting with FreeBSD-4.9. However, it is not enabled by default. To do so, do a "sysctl machdep.hlt_logical_cpus=0" ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: mysql user
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 05:15:51PM +0200, RazorOnFreeBSD wrote: > I maybe didn't see something, for sure it's a dumb problem > I installed MySQL 4.0.20 from sources downloaded on MySQL website and then I checked > before adding my "mysql" user on the box if there was one I never installed > MySQL before and I already have a mysql user but I don't know his password. > What should I do ? Uninstall / ReInstall MySQL ? Delete user "mysql" and create > another one ? or is there an obvious first password to change I didn't get ? > I'm a little bit lost there... even if it's not an obligation to have this user > named "mysql", it's easy to use everyday! A mysql user will be created if you install mysql (any version) from ports. Even if you are strange enough to decide not to use ports, the way the mysql user is set up by the port would be a good thing to copy: mysql:*:88:88::0:0:MySQL Daemon:/var/db/mysql:/sbin/nologin Where UID 88 and group 88 are reserved for MySQL: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/dads-uid.html This account is designed to be the owner of the MySQL processes and nothing more. Specifically, it has a locked password (the '*' in the second field) and the shell set to /sbin/nologin -- a small program that prints "This account is currently not available." and exits immediately. The home directory shown (/var/db/mysql) is the default, and the location where MySQL keeps its data files. You can override that when installing the port. Note that you never need to login as the mysql user. MySQL has it's own set of user IDs and it's own passwords /within/ the database which are separate from the passwd database on your server. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK pgpmcOCgg0iAY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Leaving a server on all day
Am Dienstag, 8. Juni 2004 16:44 schrieb Peter Ulrich Kruppa: > On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: > > I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin > > client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of > > power? > > > > Is it true that the heat buildup in a home system (rather than a heavily > > fanned commercial system) will kill the drives faster and this is a good > > reason to turn it off during the day when I am not home? > > This is only my personal experience: > I have got a PIII running all day for over 2 years now (my > "server"): no problems and I am using just the small fan it came > with. > I had two AMD's (a K6 and now an Athlon): for both I had to buy > bigger fans since they started doing strange things after a > while. > At work I have seen three IDE harddisks decease on > workstations during the last four and a half years, but never a > SCSI harddisk. These workstations are shut down and rebooted Just to brake illusions: I have seen lots of disks dieing. Mostly IDE disks because they're wide spreaded. But I also had a several "server" SCSI disks (Seagate and IBM) which died, and they hadn't just quit their service, they (the two different I attempted to) were classified as inrecoverable by well known and even better paid special companies like Vogon. So don't tap into the trap that SCSI disks are more reliable! > quite often. > > So *my* summary for your private server would be: > - Leaving it on all day will not kill your harddisks, in the >contrary: even cheap ones will live longer. > - AMD processors tend to run hot, so if you have one, you should >look for a good fan. This was true up to Coppermine/Tualatin, nowadays I'd prefere any AMD. The notrhwood and even worse the prescott INTELS (p4s) are dumb radiators. My 0.02 ¤ Best regards, -Harry > > Regards, > > Uli. > > > jm > > -- > > My other computer is your windows box. > > ___ > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > +---+ > > |Peter Ulrich Kruppa| > | > | Wuppertal | > | Germany | > > +---+ > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" pgp2TiFUnSiyb.pgp Description: signature
RE: freebsd- Newby question
Unix System Administrator's Handbook # Paperback: 896 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.30 x 9.23 x 7.06 # Publisher: Prentice Hall PTR; 3rd edition (August 2000) # ISBN: 0130206016 | All Editions Hope that helps :D Thomas Foster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LW Ellis Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: freebsd- Newby question I am trying to learn unix. I need a recommendation for a good beginers book (eg: Unix for dummies) I install Freebsd on an old desktop, but I have never used unix, and need a starting point. Thanx Later, Leon A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Sir Winston Churchill ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [Going further OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 01:45 pm, Jason Taylor wrote: > Bill Moran wrote: > > Nico Meijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Hi, > > Everything Bill is saying is correct. The best way to cool is to > move as much fluid (air is a fluid for the purpose of this > discussion) as fast as possible across whatever is hot. Of course, > the fluid has to be cooler than whatever is being cooled. A fan > rotating at certain speed is going to push a given volume of air in a > given amount of time. By leaving the case covers on and providing > only a few small "holes" for the air to travel through, you're going > to force the air coming through those holes to travel through the > case faster. > > That being said, if the case design, component placement, etc. is > such that leaving the the cover off actually allows a significantly > greater volume of air to get to the heatsink(s) in a given amount of > time, then leaving the cover off is a good thing. > I have 2 identical machines (AMD 2400+'s) except that one has 2x120mm fans (push pull) and the other doesn't. The one that has 1x120mm fan has Sonata punched in the covers at the top of the front and back covers and that case runs 3-5oC cooler than the other case. I leave the cover off of the other one to keep things running cool. They both run setiathome 24x7 and generate equal amounts of heat. I don't like cpus running close to 50oC or higher. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
[OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Jun 8, 2004, at 5:06 PM, Bernt. H wrote:
No need to guess, use an amp-meter. :-)
Well If it measure trueRMS then you could use it, otherwise no.
You are correct that one needs to measure the voltage and use the RMS
value, or DC series equivalent if you like that phrase, in order to
figure out the power consumption accurately, but an {ammeter,
amp-meter, DMM} which can deal with AC will do the right thing.
Radio Shack and the like will sell something with male and female
plugs that will measure both voltage and current, and give you the
current power load in Watts. Smart UPSes may also have a similar
capability.
Yes but it will only show you the correct value if the load is a pure
resistans, not if it's reactiv, as all switching psu's are.
The ratio between the actual load and a purely resistive load is known
as the power factor, and is why UPS are rated in terms of kVA rather
than in terms of the wattage of the load. For computer equipment [1],
the power factor is lagging, representing an inductive rather than
capacitive load, and the PF is typically about 0.9.
However, the electric company bills you for the power you draw from
them, they don't give you a refund for the power "wasted" because your
load is not purely resistive, so the notion of measuring the kVA rather
than the "useful wattage" is not really "incorrect".
--
-Chuck
[1]: And almost everything else, too. Most things use a transformer to
convert line voltage into whatever voltage the device wants, which is
inductive, or consist of a motor, also inductive. Motors which draw a
lot of current when starting (which is most of them) tend to have a
"starting capacitor" to help manage the surge current and also help
adjust the power factor back towards 1.0 to improve their efficiency.
The so-called "ballast" in fluorescent lights serves much the same
purpose.
We thank you for tuning in to basic electronics, and return you to your
regularly scheduled FreeBSD programming. :-)
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freebsd- Newby question
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Re: Anti-Spam app for sendmail
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Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Jun 8, 2004, at 4:06 PM, Bill Moran wrote: Charles Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No need to guess, use an amp-meter. :-) What a crazy idea. I seem to remember plugging monitors into a UPS in an attempt to use the cheesy "load meter" lights to tell which was drawing more juice, when that didn't show us any difference, we tried watching the power meter outside ... trying to guess which monitor made it spin faster ... :-) The "smart" versions of UPSes (as in, APC's SmartUPS line) will often have a serial connection which not only does the "deassert DTR when the battery is low" thingy, but will communicate other information about the state of the UPS. That will include the power consumption of the load measured more accurately than 5 green LEDs would be able to show you. A really serious UPS, such as a PowerWare 9330, may have ethernet and SNMP support and will do things like tell you the power factor of the load, typically about 0.9 for computer stuff. But I admit, a 20kVA UPS is outside of what a normal home user would want. And the batteries are freaking heavy... :-) I have one machine with an AMD 1800+ (1.54 MHz T'bred-B), which runs at perhaps 48 or 50 C if the system is idle. If I run something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a day or so, the CPU will go up to around 56 or even 57 C as a result of the load. The difference in thermal output due to load is very obvious. But is thermal output a reliable indicator of power usage? Logically, it seems like it would be, but I'd hate to assume. Conservation of energy is a law, so any assumptions being made are pretty safe. When you pump 0.5 amps @ 120VAC into a 60 watt light-bulb, you end up getting about 54 watts of radiant heat and about 6 watts of visible light. A computer's CPU eats about the same amount of power, and sends a watt or so back out in terms of data signals, but most of the energy used by the processor to actually process data gets emitted as heat. -- -Chuck ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Leaving a server on all day
Charles Swiger wrote: On Jun 8, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Bill Moran wrote: Hopefully I'll get my flat screen back soon from repair. I guess those use less power, right? I remember having this conversation with someone not too long ago, and our consensus was that flat screens used just as much power as tube monitors. Don't hold me to that, though, I don't seem to remember our testing technique as being very ... uhm ... "scientific". No need to guess, use an amp-meter. :-) Well If it measure trueRMS then you could use it, otherwise no. Radio Shack and the like will sell something with male and female plugs that will measure both voltage and current, and give you the current power load in Watts. Smart UPSes may also have a similar capability. Yes but it will only show you the correct value if the load is a pure resistans, not if it's reactiv, as all switching psu's are. / ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [Going further OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day
Bill Moran wrote:
Nico Meijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
What is so bad with the floor?
Ever move into a beautiful house only to find the floor *flooded* at the
first serious cloud break? ;-)
BTW - I'd make sure I'd get/have a decent computer case with a decent
PSU with enough room for some decent 80mm or larger low noise fans
rather than opening up the side panel. Perhaps an aluminum (Chieftec
Dragon, anyone?) case with some Enermax and Zalman coolers and PSU might
do the trick. I've {b,s}een told a good airflow (front to back) is king.
I saw an article recently by a guy who had a degree in thermal dynamics or
something that was dispelling the common myths about PC cooling.
His conclusion was basically that airflow is king. You need to move air across
the heat sinks that is cooler than the heat sinks are. Sounds simple, but the
overall conclusion was that you could improve cooling without increasing noise
by ensuring that air from _outside_ the case was flowing directly over the
processor heatsink. Reason this works well is becuase the air inside the case
is usually considerably warmer than the air outside the case, and moving warm
air across the heat sink doesn't accomplish much. By drawing cool air in from
outside the case, things stay cooler.
Anyway, his suggestion was that the best thing you could do for your cooling
rig was to purchase/fab one of those little duct kits that allows the cpu fan
to pull air from outside the case. Some cases even have the duct built in (my
brother's computer does).
Ok, I'll chime in here. Here's what everything I ever learned about
heat transfer and fluid flow tells me:
Everything Bill is saying is correct. The best way to cool is to move
as much fluid (air is a fluid for the purpose of this discussion) as
fast as possible across whatever is hot. Of course, the fluid has to be
cooler than whatever is being cooled. A fan rotating at certain speed
is going to push a given volume of air in a given amount of time. By
leaving the case covers on and providing only a few small "holes" for
the air to travel through, you're going to force the air coming through
those holes to travel through the case faster.
That being said, if the case design, component placement, etc. is such
that leaving the the cover off actually allows a significantly greater
volume of air to get to the heatsink(s) in a given amount of time, then
leaving the cover off is a good thing.
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Re: make buildworld problem
On 2004-06-08 18:41, Mantas Audickas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello there, > i don't know where to ask.. i have tried in many irc channels, but no > one could help me.. > so i'm trying to make buildworld, but there i get an error, always the > same.. i have tried in fresh installed os, with GENERIC kernel and with > my own, cvsup source and so on.. but nothing goes better.. > I have read /usr/src/UPDATING.. and tried to follow rules. > I put error log file in http://migla.ktu.lt/~cerberis/error .. maybe you > can help me? It could be that your source tree is at fault. Try deleting /usr/src/lib/libedit and CVSup'ing again. - Giorgos ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Jun 8, 2004, at 2:54 PM, Cordula's Web wrote: AMD processors now have fairly good thermal behavior when they are idle, although it obviously helps if one can enable APCI and power management capabilities to either throttle down the CPU speed or even go into sleep mode. What about other architectures? If you don't need x86 compat, perhaps CPU models in other arches have much lower consumption? Certainly this is true of the ARM and even the Motorola 68K, as you mention: For a box that runs mainly as router, apache, postfix, cyrus, ... even an old MC68k would do just fine (esp. if you are limited by bandwidth, not CPU cycles...). ...there are a lot of people using an embedded M68K as a low-power applicance computing device. Perhaps something like Soekris boards could be useful? Has someone used them to build a power-saving server? Sure. I've got a Soekris net4801 sitting right next to me which is running some custom network monitoring/IDS/IPS software, and the Via EPIA mini-ITX form factor is another good choice for low-power computing. The EPIAs seem to have slightly flaky ATA support, though. Anyone living in a country with exorbitant high taxes on power lurking here? People here in the US got to pay for Enron and the like, sure, especially those in CA. -- -Chuck ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: OT: group coding standards
On 2004-06-07 13:10, "Goodleaf, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >It's a hard problem. How do you provide conventions that don't annoy >the hell out of programmers, but which ensure that legibile, >maintainable code is left? First of all, I should note this: As long as there is a way to configure the two most popular editors (vi and Emacs) to adhere to this standard of yours, the only thing that matters is to avoid like hell all non-standard styles. Consistently keeping the standard is more important than the rules of the standard itself. >Any suggestions welcome. Please cc me directly, as I'm not currently >on this list. Some people hate the resulting style, other love it... but there is a coding standards' guideline on your FreeBSD installation waiting to be read by you: man 9 style - Giorgos ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Anti-Spam app for sendmail
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 10:35, Chris wrote: > Any comments on a good anti-spam app that works with sendmail for a mail > server? Yeah, try SpamAssassin. I've been using it since January, and have almost zero SPAM delivered to my inbox now. I think in all that time it has only had one false positive (my mom sending email as HTML, from word.) HTH -- Keep your pecker hard and your powder dry, and the world WILL turn. pgpn5ddRBnYNr.pgp Description: signature
i845->i865 on 4.9 RELEASE
Hi guys! I have one question for you. I had an intel mainboard on i845 chipset. All was beautiful with 4.9 Release. When I got i865 chipset I have many problems... first time, when I reinstalled FreeBSd It was rebooting when I boot that, then it was some eroor with BTX loader. It was written many registers and addresses and then message BTX halted. Please help. Sorry for my eng. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [Going further OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day
Nico Meijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > What is so bad with the floor?
>
> Ever move into a beautiful house only to find the floor *flooded* at the
> first serious cloud break? ;-)
>
> BTW - I'd make sure I'd get/have a decent computer case with a decent
> PSU with enough room for some decent 80mm or larger low noise fans
> rather than opening up the side panel. Perhaps an aluminum (Chieftec
> Dragon, anyone?) case with some Enermax and Zalman coolers and PSU might
> do the trick. I've {b,s}een told a good airflow (front to back) is king.
I saw an article recently by a guy who had a degree in thermal dynamics or
something that was dispelling the common myths about PC cooling.
His conclusion was basically that airflow is king. You need to move air across
the heat sinks that is cooler than the heat sinks are. Sounds simple, but the
overall conclusion was that you could improve cooling without increasing noise
by ensuring that air from _outside_ the case was flowing directly over the
processor heatsink. Reason this works well is becuase the air inside the case
is usually considerably warmer than the air outside the case, and moving warm
air across the heat sink doesn't accomplish much. By drawing cool air in from
outside the case, things stay cooler.
Anyway, his suggestion was that the best thing you could do for your cooling
rig was to purchase/fab one of those little duct kits that allows the cpu fan
to pull air from outside the case. Some cases even have the duct built in (my
brother's computer does).
--
Bill Moran
Potential Technologies
http://www.potentialtech.com
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Re: Leaving a server on all day
Charles Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jun 8, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Bill Moran wrote: > >> Hopefully I'll get my flat screen back soon from repair. I guess > >> those use > >> less power, right? > > > > I remember having this conversation with someone not too long ago, and > > our > > consensus was that flat screens used just as much power as tube > > monitors. Don't > > hold me to that, though, I don't seem to remember our testing > > technique as being > > very ... uhm ... "scientific". > > No need to guess, use an amp-meter. :-) What a crazy idea. I seem to remember plugging monitors into a UPS in an attempt to use the cheesy "load meter" lights to tell which was drawing more juice, when that didn't show us any difference, we tried watching the power meter outside ... trying to guess which monitor made it spin faster ... > >> Also, a 1.8GHz Athlon won't use any more power than > >> necessary during idle time, right? > > > > Different processors are different. Many newer CPUs will throttle > > their power > > consumption while the machine is idle, but most older ones can't do > > this. > > You'll need to research the specific CPU + motherboard to see if this > > is > > available or not, but (as far as my lousy memory serves) Athlons in > > the 1.8G > > range don't support reduced power during non-usage, and will consume > > just as > > many watts while the system is idle as while it's doing a buildworld. > > A 1.8GHz AMD is likely to be a Barton, or possibly a later-model > Thoroughbred. The CPU should have AMD's PowerNow! capabilities if APCI > is enabled, and they should also significantly reduce power consumption > if the OS runs the HLT instruction in the idle loop. Ahh ... didn't know the 1.8s had that in them. > I have one machine with an AMD 1800+ (1.54 MHz T'bred-B), which runs at > perhaps 48 or 50 C if the system is idle. If I run something like > [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a day or so, the CPU will go up to around 56 or even 57 C > as a result of the load. The difference in thermal output due to load > is very obvious. But is thermal output a reliable indicator of power usage? Logically, it seems like it would be, but I'd hate to assume. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [OT] What's "QED"? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)
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[Going further OT] Re: Leaving a server on all day
Hi,
What is so bad with the floor?
Ever move into a beautiful house only to find the floor *flooded* at the
first serious cloud break? ;-)
BTW - I'd make sure I'd get/have a decent computer case with a decent
PSU with enough room for some decent 80mm or larger low noise fans
rather than opening up the side panel. Perhaps an aluminum (Chieftec
Dragon, anyone?) case with some Enermax and Zalman coolers and PSU might
do the trick. I've {b,s}een told a good airflow (front to back) is king.
OT nonetheless and good luck... Nico
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5.2.1 fails to install on Toshiba Satellite A15-S127
I tried to install FBSD 5.2.1 on Toshiba Satellite A15-S127 (Mobile Intel Celeron Id=0xf27 Stepping = 7 2GHz/256M/30G CDRW, USB floppy. During boot from installation floppy kernel hungs just after: pcibios: BIOS version 2.10 Using $PIR table, 6 entries at 0xc00f01a0 pcib0: at pcibus 0 on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pci_cfgintr: 0:2 INTA BIOS irq 10 Also, I tried to use 5.2.1-RELEASE-miniinst.iso and booted it with ACPI disabled mode. Result was the same. There are not to many parameters which I can change in Toshiba BIOS "Device configuration" menu and, I hope, I tried them all without success. It might be, I missed something. What BIOS parameters are most important in this case. I did try to setup 4.10 without any problem. What can I try else? May be I need to build some castom kernel? What changes to GENERIC configuration could help? Or I need to try to do some changes in kernel source? Any clue please, Mikhail. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
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Re: FreeBSD.org e-mail addresses
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Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 03:05:14PM -0400, Joe Altman wrote: : Yes; spills, flying objects, whatever. Most importantly, it's not on : the floor, and securely on my desk. I deal w/ the noise by keeping the What is so bad with the floor? : > That reminds me: is a CD/RW a feasible data backup device? I've never used : > mine. : : For me, yes it is. Tapes are, or were, too expensive. The CD/RW I Is there a readme on this? I could never figure out how to get burncd to work with backups. : purchase a UPS. There is a webpage somewhere that lists models of UPS Good idea. jm -- My other computer is your windows box. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 07:51:51PM +0100, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: > On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 02:42:16PM -0400, Joe Altman wrote: > : Take the side off of your case, turn the open side toward the wall, > > Why against the wall? So nothing damages it? Yes; spills, flying objects, whatever. Most importantly, it's not on the floor, and securely on my desk. I deal w/ the noise by keeping the fan on my Enermax low; it has an adjustable spin rate via a knob on the back. Drives are noisy, with no way around that problem. > : with some space between it and the wall. Especially during the summer. > > My setup has a fan in the back, and also one on the side. Is that close > enough? It's one way to do it. Whether or not it's enough is up to you. > : I don't put my box on the floor, if you were wondering. I have an > > Mine is in the CPU slot of a tiny computer desk. Well, the thing for me is to keep the side open, so the heat spills out. > : Athlon 1.2, a Plextor CD/RW, and multiple drives in the 7200 rpm > > That reminds me: is a CD/RW a feasible data backup device? I've never used > mine. For me, yes it is. Tapes are, or were, too expensive. The CD/RW I purchased was, two years ago, about the same price as current DVD/RW drives. I'd go with a DVD nowadays; pay a little more, but have Gigs of backup space rather than Megs of storage. > : range; and of course a gpu, and the psu, and the sound card...they all > : generate heat. The kicker: I'm on the top floor of my building in a > : treeless area. I'd rather the heat spill out the side, than have it > > I feel your pain. I'm third floor in an old house with no A/C. No A/C? Sheesh. Oh, BTW: if it's an old house, do yourself a favor: purchase a UPS. There is a webpage somewhere that lists models of UPS units supported by FreeBSD...I forget where. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Leaving a server on all day
> > less power, right? Also, a 1.8GHz Athlon won't use any more power than > > necessary during idle time, right? > > AMD processors now have fairly good thermal behavior when they are > idle, although it obviously helps if one can enable APCI and power > management capabilities to either throttle down the CPU speed or even > go into sleep mode. What about other architectures? If you don't need x86 compat, perhaps CPU models in other arches have much lower consumption? For a box that runs mainly as router, apache, postfix, cyrus, ... even an old MC68k would do just fine (esp. if you are limited by bandwidth, not CPU cycles...). Perhaps something like Soekris boards could be useful? Has someone used them to build a power-saving server? Anyone living in a country with exorbitant high taxes on power lurking here? -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [OT] What's "QED"? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)
Bill Campbell writes: > The original Latin is ``Quod Erat Demonstrandum'', translates to > that was demonstrated (about as much as I remember from five > years of Latin). Perfect passive periphrastic, if I've got it right. Robert Huff ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 02:42:16PM -0400, Joe Altman wrote: : Take the side off of your case, turn the open side toward the wall, Why against the wall? So nothing damages it? : with some space between it and the wall. Especially during the summer. My setup has a fan in the back, and also one on the side. Is that close enough? : I don't put my box on the floor, if you were wondering. I have an Mine is in the CPU slot of a tiny computer desk. : Athlon 1.2, a Plextor CD/RW, and multiple drives in the 7200 rpm That reminds me: is a CD/RW a feasible data backup device? I've never used mine. : range; and of course a gpu, and the psu, and the sound card...they all : generate heat. The kicker: I'm on the top floor of my building in a : treeless area. I'd rather the heat spill out the side, than have it I feel your pain. I'm third floor in an old house with no A/C. jm -- My other computer is your windows box. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: fstab
> > > asuming that you have done the whole fdisk/disklabel/newfs you can list > > the contents of /dev thus, ls /dev to find out. It will be ad1s1d oassume > > something like that > > I do have several ad1* devices in /dev but I can not mount them. So I > asume they are just there to be there? > > Why would it be ad1s1d? If the whole drive is being used wouldn't it be > ad1s1a? It would be whatever you used in the disklabel run (or the one done for you if you use sysinstall). 'd' is unlikely and so is 'c' jerry > > > Thank you, > Joshua Lewis > > > > Anubis > > Joshua Lewis wrote: > >>>/dev/ad1s1 what? a, d, e, f,g ?? > >> > >> > >> Do I specify? I am using the whole drive. should I change it to > >> /dev/ad1s1a? > >> ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Jun 8, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Bill Moran wrote: Hopefully I'll get my flat screen back soon from repair. I guess those use less power, right? I remember having this conversation with someone not too long ago, and our consensus was that flat screens used just as much power as tube monitors. Don't hold me to that, though, I don't seem to remember our testing technique as being very ... uhm ... "scientific". No need to guess, use an amp-meter. :-) Radio Shack and the like will sell something with male and female plugs that will measure both voltage and current, and give you the current power load in Watts. Smart UPSes may also have a similar capability. Also, a 1.8GHz Athlon won't use any more power than necessary during idle time, right? Different processors are different. Many newer CPUs will throttle their power consumption while the machine is idle, but most older ones can't do this. You'll need to research the specific CPU + motherboard to see if this is available or not, but (as far as my lousy memory serves) Athlons in the 1.8G range don't support reduced power during non-usage, and will consume just as many watts while the system is idle as while it's doing a buildworld. A 1.8GHz AMD is likely to be a Barton, or possibly a later-model Thoroughbred. The CPU should have AMD's PowerNow! capabilities if APCI is enabled, and they should also significantly reduce power consumption if the OS runs the HLT instruction in the idle loop. I have one machine with an AMD 1800+ (1.54 MHz T'bred-B), which runs at perhaps 48 or 50 C if the system is idle. If I run something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a day or so, the CPU will go up to around 56 or even 57 C as a result of the load. The difference in thermal output due to load is very obvious. -- -Chuck ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 01:21:01PM +0100, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: > > I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin > client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of > power? > > Is it true that the heat buildup in a home system (rather than a heavily > fanned commercial system) will kill the drives faster and this is a good > reason to turn it off during the day when I am not home? Take the side off of your case, turn the open side toward the wall, with some space between it and the wall. Especially during the summer. I don't put my box on the floor, if you were wondering. I have an Athlon 1.2, a Plextor CD/RW, and multiple drives in the 7200 rpm range; and of course a gpu, and the psu, and the sound card...they all generate heat. The kicker: I'm on the top floor of my building in a treeless area. I'd rather the heat spill out the side, than have it pulled out the psu or the fan on the back. I've seen rigs that have hoses which pull the heat out of the box, and pump it into the wall. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: free
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:44:44 -0700 (PDT), dauda braimah wrote: >> > How do I install freebsd and another Os in a pc with > 2gigabyte hdd disk eg Window XP and freebsd. > > How do I format a system that has freebsd 4.5 in it >> I strongly recommend against trying to shoehorn XP and FreeBSD onto a 2 GB disk. Windows XP requires about 1 GB plus 1.5 times as much disk space as you have main memory for a swapfile. If you have enough main memory (so that you never have to swap) you can save space by deleting the swap file after Windows XP is installed. You can also choose not to install all the possible parts of FreeBSD. I don't know how much space you can reasonably save. I install everything and after building a bunch of ports I find that I am using almost 1.8 GB in the /usr partition (including /usr/local but not /usr/ports). Given that modern disk drives cost only about $1 per GB, the extra effort required to fit both OS onto a 2 GB disk is just not worth it. In any case, if you insist on trying this anyway, I would install XP first. If possible, I would pre-create an empty 1+ GB type 11 MBR partition (DOS or Windows 95 with 32 bit FAT) and zero it, leaving the rest of the disk unused. Otherwise I would use the XP installation program to set up the disk and try to convince it to allocate only 1 GB or so for XP. Try to make sure it creates a Fat32 file system and not a FAT16 or NTFS file system (because FAT16 is too inefficient and FreeBSD cannot reliably write into NTFS file systems). Then I would install FreeBSD in the rest of the disk, installing only the minimum amount of software that I needed and not expecting to install much if any additional software afterwards. Don't even think about loading an elaborate GUI. You can install X11 and if TWM is not enough you can try something like FVWM. During the FreeBSD disk setup phase, I would install the usual FreeBSD MBR bootstrap program on top of whatever XP installed. This won't be an issue with a 2 GB disk, but I would try to insure that the FreeBSD root partition lies within the first 8 GB of the the disk in order to avoid various bootstrap configuration problems. Dan Strick ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: free
can't believe I'm answering this especially on here but the min spec for XP is 1.5 gig that doesn't leave much for BSDs or to run any applications in either OS hard disks are cheap as chips these days think its time to upgrade arden On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 18:38, Bill Moran wrote: > [Please use "reply all" to include the mailing list in subsequent questions, > I do not always have time to respond to all follow-ups.] > > dauda braimah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > thanks for that email and the prompt reply. > > > > What practical minimum size required to install > > freebsd and XP > > I have not idea how little a disk Windows XP will fit on, but I doubt 2G will > be big enough. > > How much space you need for FreeBSD depends entirely on what you want to do. > If you just want to use it as an internet firewall, you can do a minimal > installation of less than a few hundred meg. If you want to do C-language > development for servers or console applications, you could probably get away > with less than 1G. If you want a full-blown graphical interface with web > browser and office suite, you're going to need at least 10G. > > > > > Thanks > > > dauda braimah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > How do I install freebsd and another Os in a pc > > > with > > > > 2gigabyte hdd disk eg Window XP and freebsd. > > > > > > > > How do I format a system that has freebsd 4.5 in > > > it > > > > > > Have you read the install docs?: > > > > > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html > > > > > > Be sure you back up any important data before > > > starting, _especially_ if > > > you're unfamiliar with the process. > > > > > > If you hit specific questions or problems as you go, > > > don't hesitate to ask > > > the list again. > ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Dangerous file system / disk problem
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 10:38, Malcolm Kay wrote: > On Tuesday 08 June 2004 05:20, Ben Paley wrote: > > But seriously, does any of this suggest a course of action to you? I'm > > planning to try the "set sysid to 0" plan... what if that doesn't work? > > Sounds like an excellent idea. Perhaps windows is seeing the slice as a fs > it knows about but finds it unformatted, so is offering to do that for you. > > So maybe setting sysid to zero (which I think registers as an undefined > slice) will stop windows making the offer. > > Whatever else I can't see how this would make the situation worse. Well, this seems to solve my problem. That is, Windows no longer sees an extra disk, so I guess it won't try to format it! Now I feel happy about letting other people use the computer again... death threats wear out on 10 year olds so quickly... On the other hand, Partition Magic won't run any more - I get "library or disk not open" which seems to me like a typically uninformative Windows error message. Perhaps it's not even connected. Who cares? I can live without partition magic. Thank you all so much for your thoughts and advice, I really appreciate it. Cheers, Ben ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Jun 8, 2004, at 1:27 PM, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: Hopefully I'll get my flat screen back soon from repair. I guess those use less power, right? Also, a 1.8GHz Athlon won't use any more power than necessary during idle time, right? Yes, a flat screen typically uses about 50W; a big CRT might use 100 to 150W. AMD processors now have fairly good thermal behavior when they are idle, although it obviously helps if one can enable APCI and power management capabilities to either throttle down the CPU speed or even go into sleep mode. -- -Chuck ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: free
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 10:38 am, Bill Moran wrote: > [Please use "reply all" to include the mailing list in subsequent > questions, I do not always have time to respond to all follow-ups.] > > dauda braimah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > thanks for that email and the prompt reply. > > > > What practical minimum size required to install > > freebsd and XP > > I have not idea how little a disk Windows XP will fit on, but I doubt > 2G will be big enough. I agree. My WinXP directory by itself is 1.8 GB and the applications are exponential from there :). > > How much space you need for FreeBSD depends entirely on what you want > to do. If you just want to use it as an internet firewall, you can do > a minimal installation of less than a few hundred meg. If you want > to do C-language development for servers or console applications, you > could probably get away with less than 1G. If you want a full-blown > graphical interface with web browser and office suite, you're going > to need at least 10G. I am not sure that is enough. For example, just updating java-1.4, you need 1.7+ GB free. I think there are other ports that need much more. I have /usr/ports as a stand alone mount point and created a 15 GB filesystem just for the ports. It is currently running at 20% used. Kent > > > Thanks > > > > > dauda braimah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > How do I install freebsd and another Os in a pc > > > > > > with > > > > > > > 2gigabyte hdd disk eg Window XP and freebsd. > > > > > > > > How do I format a system that has freebsd 4.5 in > > > > > > it > > > > > > Have you read the install docs?: > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.h > >tml > > > > > Be sure you back up any important data before > > > starting, _especially_ if > > > you're unfamiliar with the process. > > > > > > If you hit specific questions or problems as you go, > > > don't hesitate to ask > > > the list again. -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Leaving a server on all day
Jonathon McKitrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 05:18:07PM +0100, Richard Caley wrote: > : In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jonathon McKitrick (jm) writes: > : > : jm> I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin > : jm> client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of > : jm> power? > : > : Turn the monitor off, especially if it is getting old. I have a 19inch > : from back when they were expensive and it eats power. > > Hopefully I'll get my flat screen back soon from repair. I guess those use > less power, right? I remember having this conversation with someone not too long ago, and our consensus was that flat screens used just as much power as tube monitors. Don't hold me to that, though, I don't seem to remember our testing technique as being very ... uhm ... "scientific". > Also, a 1.8GHz Athlon won't use any more power than > necessary during idle time, right? Different processors are different. Many newer CPUs will throttle their power consumption while the machine is idle, but most older ones can't do this. You'll need to research the specific CPU + motherboard to see if this is available or not, but (as far as my lousy memory serves) Athlons in the 1.8G range don't support reduced power during non-usage, and will consume just as many watts while the system is idle as while it's doing a buildworld. Please note that I am not an authority on hardware, if I'm off-base here, I wouldn't mind a correction ;) But this is how things stand to the best of my knowledge. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [OT] What's "QED"? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004, Kent Stewart wrote: >On Tuesday 08 June 2004 09:36 am, Bill Moran wrote: >> Peter Risdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Robert Huff wrote: >> > >Peter Risdon writes: >> > >> I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch >> > >> sees many commits that are likely to be problematic. >> > > >> > > In general, no. >> > > On the other hand ... think of this as a Murphy's Law scenario: >> > >if you automate, it _will_ break horribly two days before some >> > >absolutely critical deadline. >> > >> > QED >> >> I must be "out of touch" with my jargon ... >> >> What's "QED"? > >I remember seeing that at the end of mathematical proofs at the >University where the professor was too lazy to finish their >documentation. It was much more fitting here :). The original Latin is ``Quod Erat Demonstrandum'', translates to that was demonstrated (about as much as I remember from five years of Latin). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 http://www.celestial.com/ You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence. -- Charles A. Beard ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: free
[Please use "reply all" to include the mailing list in subsequent questions, I do not always have time to respond to all follow-ups.] dauda braimah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Bill, > thanks for that email and the prompt reply. > > What practical minimum size required to install > freebsd and XP I have not idea how little a disk Windows XP will fit on, but I doubt 2G will be big enough. How much space you need for FreeBSD depends entirely on what you want to do. If you just want to use it as an internet firewall, you can do a minimal installation of less than a few hundred meg. If you want to do C-language development for servers or console applications, you could probably get away with less than 1G. If you want a full-blown graphical interface with web browser and office suite, you're going to need at least 10G. > > Thanks > > dauda braimah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > How do I install freebsd and another Os in a pc > > with > > > 2gigabyte hdd disk eg Window XP and freebsd. > > > > > > How do I format a system that has freebsd 4.5 in > > it > > > > Have you read the install docs?: > > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html > > > > Be sure you back up any important data before > > starting, _especially_ if > > you're unfamiliar with the process. > > > > If you hit specific questions or problems as you go, > > don't hesitate to ask > > the list again. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Leaving a server on all day
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 05:18:07PM +0100, Richard Caley wrote: : In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jonathon McKitrick (jm) writes: : : jm> I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin : jm> client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of : jm> power? : : Turn the monitor off, especially if it is getting old. I have a 19inch : from back when they were expensive and it eats power. Hopefully I'll get my flat screen back soon from repair. I guess those use less power, right? Also, a 1.8GHz Athlon won't use any more power than necessary during idle time, right? jm -- My other computer is your Windows box. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: acpi question
Hello Dan, there is a separate list on ACPI: [EMAIL PROTECTED] May you wish to subscribe to it. Regards, Oliver Fischer Dan Cojocar wrote: Hello, I noticed that my hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active is set -1 and i can't change this value, what is this meaning? Thanks, Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [OT] What's "QED"? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 09:36 am, Bill Moran wrote: > Peter Risdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Robert Huff wrote: > > >Peter Risdon writes: > > >> I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch > > >> sees many commits that are likely to be problematic. > > > > > > In general, no. > > > On the other hand ... think of this as a Murphy's Law scenario: > > >if you automate, it _will_ break horribly two days before some > > >absolutely critical deadline. > > > > QED > > I must be "out of touch" with my jargon ... > > What's "QED"? I remember seeing that at the end of mathematical proofs at the University where the professor was too lazy to finish their documentation. It was much more fitting here :). Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Perl and linux emulation
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 11:27:29AM -0500, Jason Godfrey wrote: > Hello. > > I have a perl module (Adobe's FDF toolkit) that uses two .so files as part > of it's magic. These files come precompiled for Linux. Not surprisingly, when > I try to do a perl "use" on the module I get an error like this: > > Can't load '/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/FDF.so' for module Acrobat::FDF: > Shared object "libc.so.6" not found at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-freebsd/DynaLoader.pm line 206. > at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.1/Acrobat/FDF.pm line 741 > > > Is there a way to use a Linux compiled .so file with the a perl compiled for > FreeBSD? If not, does anyone know of a way to easily install a seperate perl > compiled as a linux binary? The best way to proceed, I suppose, would be to install the linux_base port. The lib you need is installed as part of it. To make it accessible, you may need to run ldconfig -elf -R /compat/linux/lib after installation. HTH Dan pgp1LKUYU9wyy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] What's "QED"? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:36:47 -0400 Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter Risdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Robert Huff wrote: > > > > >Peter Risdon writes: > > > > > >> I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees > > >> many commits that are likely to be problematic. > > >> > > > In general, no. > > > On the other hand ... think of this as a Murphy's Law scenario: > > >if you automate, it _will_ break horribly two days before some > > >absolutely critical deadline. > > > > > > > QED > > I must be "out of touch" with my jargon ... > > What's "QED"? > > -- > Bill Moran If I recall correctly, it's Latin: "quod erat demonstrandum", meaning "as it has been demonstrated". Andrew Gould ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
[OT] What's "QED"? (was Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades)
Peter Risdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert Huff wrote: > > >Peter Risdon writes: > > > >> I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees > >> many commits that are likely to be problematic. > >> > > In general, no. > > On the other hand ... think of this as a Murphy's Law scenario: > >if you automate, it _will_ break horribly two days before some > >absolutely critical deadline. > > > > QED I must be "out of touch" with my jargon ... What's "QED"? -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: fstab
> asuming that you have done the whole fdisk/disklabel/newfs you can list > the contents of /dev thus, ls /dev to find out. It will be ad1s1d oassume > something like that I do have several ad1* devices in /dev but I can not mount them. So I asume they are just there to be there? Why would it be ad1s1d? If the whole drive is being used wouldn't it be ad1s1a? Thank you, Joshua Lewis Anubis > Joshua Lewis wrote: >>>/dev/ad1s1 what? a, d, e, f,g ?? >> >> >> Do I specify? I am using the whole drive. should I change it to >> /dev/ad1s1a? >> >> >> Thank you, >> Joshua Lewis >> >> >> >> Anubis >> >>>Joshua Lewis wrote: >>> The last time I edited this file my system ceased to boot. I have made what looks to me like a valid entry. This is the same thing I entered in last time. I am not going to save this but does it look valid to anyone out there? # DeviceMountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/ad0s1b noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad0s1f /tmpufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1g /usrufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1e /varufs rw 2 2 /dev/acd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/acd1c /cdrom1 cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 This is the line I added /dev/ad1s1 /disk2 ufs rw 2 2 proc/proc procfs rw 0 0 >>> >>>/dev/ad1s1 what? a, d, e, f,g ?? >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > asuming that you have done the whole fdisk/disklabel/newfs you can list > the contents of /dev thus, ls /dev to find out. It will be ad1s1d or > something like that > > > ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades
Peter Risdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bill Moran wrote: > > >Peter Risdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>cvsup'ing overnight is routine and fine. > >> > >>The make build/install stuff seems a bit more delicate. I'm happy that I > >>have figured out how to automate this, but not _whether_ I should do so. > >>I am of course only considering tracking RELENG_4 at this stage. > > > >Why not just cvsup/buildworld/buildkernel nightly, and monitor the FreeBSD > >security advisory list. When a security problem is found, you only have to > >installworld/installkernel, which is usually pretty quick. > > Yes, it is. That's a good compromise. Watching the other posts, I would suggest another compromise as well: track RELENG_4_10, not RELENG_4. Much more conservative commit policy. When (if?) 4.11 comes out, you should expect a careful, manual switch from the RELENG_4_10 branch to the RELENG_4_11 branch. I've been doing this since 4.7? and have had very few problems. But, occasionally, there are significant changes between a point release. > >>Ports are perhaps more likely to be problematic (though less likely to > >>be a blocker to remote fixing than a failure to boot). > >> > >Install portaudit, which will include nightly audits of port problems in your > >daily run email. This takes the guesswork out of when to upgrade. By cvsupping > >the ports nightly, you only have to run portupgrade to get things updated. > > > >Because of the dependencies in ports (which can get rather complex) I wouldn't > >recommend automatically doing much with ports. > > If something in the dependency tree is broken or is imperfectly handled > without manual intervention, the upgrade process stops short of > deinstalling the existing port. I _was_ going to comment on this, but you beat me to the punch ;) This is a fantastic feature of portupgrade, which makes the package an incredible tool! > A more severe problem would occur when a configuration file format > changes, or there's deprecation and replacement. This is the greater concern, and one that I doubt if portupgrade can address. This bit me not too long ago, because of the migration of a lot of ports to rcng ... without a _enable="YES" line in /etc/rc.conf, a lot of the ports I upgraded didn't start after upgrading. Not a big deal, but a subtle warning to be careful of config changes in ports! > Perhaps I should say I'm pretty sure full automation would be unwise. I agree. As I said before, big companies don't even automate the Windows Update process, because (despite Microsoft's claims) doing so has bit them in the past. > It > isn't unobvious and if it hasn't yet been done there's probably a reason > for it. I'm trying to get a handle on what that is and to what extent > solutions such as the one you suggested above can be used. Good luck. I highly recommend portaudit! At least you know when it's time to do things. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Perl and linux emulation
Hello. I have a perl module (Adobe's FDF toolkit) that uses two .so files as part of it's magic. These files come precompiled for Linux. Not surprisingly, when I try to do a perl "use" on the module I get an error like this: Can't load '/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/FDF.so' for module Acrobat::FDF: Shared object "libc.so.6" not found at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-freebsd/DynaLoader.pm line 206. at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.1/Acrobat/FDF.pm line 741 Is there a way to use a Linux compiled .so file with the a perl compiled for FreeBSD? If not, does anyone know of a way to easily install a seperate perl compiled as a linux binary? Thanks - Jason ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: free
dauda braimah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How do I install freebsd and another Os in a pc with > 2gigabyte hdd disk eg Window XP and freebsd. > > How do I format a system that has freebsd 4.5 in it Have you read the install docs?: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html Be sure you back up any important data before starting, _especially_ if you're unfamiliar with the process. If you hit specific questions or problems as you go, don't hesitate to ask the list again. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Leaving a server on all day
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jonathon McKitrick (jm) writes: jm> I have my desktop configured to run as a server and app server for a thin jm> client laptop. Will running it all day without suspend mode use a lot of jm> power? Turn the monitor off, especially if it is getting old. I have a 19inch from back when they were expensive and it eats power. -- Mail me as [EMAIL PROTECTED]_O_ |< ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades
Robert Huff wrote: Peter Risdon writes: I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees many commits that are likely to be problematic. In general, no. On the other hand ... think of this as a Murphy's Law scenario: if you automate, it _will_ break horribly two days before some absolutely critical deadline. QED Peter. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades
Bill Moran wrote: Peter Risdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: cvsup'ing overnight is routine and fine. The make build/install stuff seems a bit more delicate. I'm happy that I have figured out how to automate this, but not _whether_ I should do so. I am of course only considering tracking RELENG_4 at this stage. Why not just cvsup/buildworld/buildkernel nightly, and monitor the FreeBSD security advisory list. When a security problem is found, you only have to installworld/installkernel, which is usually pretty quick. Yes, it is. That's a good compromise. Ports are perhaps more likely to be problematic (though less likely to be a blocker to remote fixing than a failure to boot). Install portaudit, which will include nightly audits of port problems in your daily run email. This takes the guesswork out of when to upgrade. By cvsupping the ports nightly, you only have to run portupgrade to get things updated. Because of the dependencies in ports (which can get rather complex) I wouldn't recommend automatically doing much with ports. If something in the dependency tree is broken or is imperfectly handled without manual intervention, the upgrade process stops short of deinstalling the existing port. Otherwise, the thought of automation wouldn't have crossed my mind. Of course, the time spent tidying up such situations might outweigh the time saved. A more severe problem would occur when a configuration file format changes, or there's deprecation and replacement. Perhaps I should say I'm pretty sure full automation would be unwise. It isn't unobvious and if it hasn't yet been done there's probably a reason for it. I'm trying to get a handle on what that is and to what extent solutions such as the one you suggested above can be used. Peter ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
portupgrade -c (was Re: Boot GUI / Boot data and process / Fragmentation)
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:59:58 -0700 Kent Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 08 June 2004 12:37 am, Bruce Hunter wrote: > > Thanks for your help Kent > > > > I read something about using portversion -c with the portupgrade > > command to upgrade installed pkgs that needed to be updated. > > > > When I run portversion -c :: I get a print out of things needed to > > be upgraded and at the end, it shows a 'if' statment. > > > > How do you use this command with portupgrade so it just updates them > > instead of just showing me. Just do it dang it... just do it! ;o) The output of "portversion -c" needs to be redirected to a file: portversion -c > scriptname.sh To make it usable as a shell script, it needs to have #!/bin/sh added at the top to insure that it uses the sh command interperter. Then, the script needs to be made executable: chmod 744 scriptname.sh Then it can be run as root: ./scriptname.sh > I'm not the one to ask because I use the -c and do them one at a time. > The portupgrade option -rRa will do some of it. I just want it to do it > at my convience and choosing :). I also have an AMD 2400+ that sits off > to the side of my computer desk and I build everything on it. The > problem with the -c list is that it doesn't build dependancies first. I think it will build the required dependencies first *if* they need updated. The synopsis of portupgrade is: portupgrade [ ... bunch of options ... ] pkgname-glob A list of ports can be passed to portugrade and it will check which needs to be built first. This can easily be checked if you have doubts. Use -n for "no-execute" and -f to "force". This is a test case I tried where liveMedia is a dependency of mplayer: # portupgrade -nf mplayer-gtk-esound-0.92.1_2 liveMedia-2004.06.07,1 ---> Session started at: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:06:39 -0400 ---> Reinstallation of net/liveMedia started at: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:06:40 -0400 ---> Reinstalling 'liveMedia-2004.06.07,1' (net/liveMedia) OK? [no] ---> Reinstallation of net/liveMedia ended at: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:06:40 -0400 (consumed 00:00:00) ---> Reinstallation of multimedia/mplayer started at: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:06:41 -0400 ---> Reinstalling 'mplayer-gtk-esound-0.92.1_2' (multimedia/mplayer) OK? [no] ---> Reinstallation of multimedia/mplayer ended at: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:06:41 -0400 (consumed 00:00:00) ---> Listing the results (+:done / -:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) + net/liveMedia (liveMedia-2004.06.07,1) + multimedia/mplayer (mplayer-gtk-esound-0.92.1_2) ---> Packages processed: 2 done, 0 ignored, 0 skipped and 0 failed ---> Session ended at: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:06:41 -0400 (consumed 00:00:01) # Notice that liveMedia was updated first even though it was last in the list of ports passed to portupgrade. The portversion -c produces a list of ports and stores them in its variable $pkgs. Portupgrade will take the list and build them in the correct dependency order. I've used this approach for several years now and it works fine. However, caution should be used when scripting the upgrading of ports. After cvsupping and running portsdb -Uu, the /usr/ports/UPDATING should be read and any items that are applicable to the installation should be followed before running any scripts or other portupgrade commands. If you still prefer doing ports manually, the output of portupgrade -c can still be useful. By modifying the script slightly, it will produce a list of ports to be updated in the order they should be updated. Just change the line: portupgrade "$@" $pkgs to: pkg_glob $pkgs | pkg_sort It should be noted that some ports may not work until the entire list is updated and as usual, your mileage may vary. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm thinking wrong about this. Best regards, Randy [ ... other topics snipped ... ] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Wisdom of automating upgrades
Peter Risdon writes: > I suppose what I'm driving at is whether the RELENG_4 branch sees > many commits that are likely to be problematic. In general, no. On the other hand ... think of this as a Murphy's Law scenario: if you automate, it _will_ break horribly two days before some absolutely critical deadline. I have learned from bitter experience that guaranteed updates, aren't. Robert Huff ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: F-Prot update errors
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 17.08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I install F-Prot from the ports. If I run check-updates.pl from the > console I get a sucessful update everytime (or a nothing updates found > message) but if I added the script into the crontab (via crontab -e as > root) I get the following Email: > > *** > * F-Prot Antivirus Updater* > *** > > There's a new version of: > "Document/Office/Macro viruses" signatures on the web. > Starting to download... > Download completed. > > Preparing to install Document/Office/Macro viruses signatures. > unzip: not found > Error trying to unzip: macrdef2.zip. > Make sure unzip is installed and it's location is within your PATH variable > Fatal error.Exiting... > > > > if I do a echo $path I get: > > /sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/games /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin > /usr/X11R6/bin /root/bin > > if I do a which unzip I get: > > /usr/local/bin/unzip > > so unzip is clearly in the path... Anyone have any ideas? Here is my > crontab string: > > 27 4,16 * * * /usr/local/f-prot/tools/check-updates.pl -cron > > ns1# uname -a > FreeBSD ns1.valuedj.com 5.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE #0: Thu Mar 11 > 09:35:27 PST 2004 > ___ As far as I remember, according to the install doc for F-Prot, you're supposed to put /usr/local/bin before /usr/bin in your path. Also it depends of using bash shell. Check the docs at F-Prot's website. /Hasse. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: fxp0: device timeout with thinkpad r40
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:45:09 +0200 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake thus: > Hey > > I've found some documented problems with this on google but nothing that really > helped me. I have an IBM Thinkpad R40 and finding chipset information for it all the > docs say that it's an Ethernet Driver(ya i know) so the best i've got is that it's > intergrated into the motherboard. I even have the pdf manual with all hardware specs > and all it says is the following: > > GAU: Intel PRO/Wireless Network Connection 802.11b, 56K14 modem, 10/100 > Ethernet, BluetoothTM,15 > > G3U: 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet (Wi-Fi wireless upgradable with built-in > antenna)GDU: IBM 11a/b Wi-Fi wireless, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet > BAU: Intel PRO/Wireless Network Connection 802.11b, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet > > BSU: Cisco 802.11b, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet > > B4U: 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet (Wi-Fi wireless upgradable with built-in > antenna) > 5TU: Cisco 802.11b, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet > > 58U, 5JU, F2U: 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet (Wi-Fi wireless upgradable with > built-in antenna) > 2QU: Intel PRO/Wireless Network Connection 802.11b, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet > > 47U, 24U, 22U, 2JU: 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet (Wi-Fi wireless upgradable with > built-in antenna) > 6LU, 3LU: IBM 11a/b Wi-Fi wireless, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet > > 2FU: Intel PRO/Wireless Network Connection 802.11b, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet > > 2SU: Cisco 802.11b, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet > > 27U, 26U: 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet (Wi-Fi wireless upgradable with built-in > antenna) > > > > > ...which is weird because it also talks a lot about the wlan card which might be > causing all of this. > > Well basically i need some help from someone who got freebsd working on a similar > laptop and i would really appriciate it. I have an IBM X30 which has an onboard wireless and onboard ethernet interface. It was no drama to setup at all however I do get device timeouts on the wireless NIC from time to time. Often when trying to cp large files via NFS. What does dmesg tell you about the wlan NIC? HTH LukeK -- Luke Kearney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Leaving a server on all day
Well... X is not started automatically (a.k.a. no gdm/kdm)... sometimes I'd like to "play" with some X stuff... I know there are other solution, like build on a fast machine and install onto the slow one. I didn't bother because 1) the server is still working while the upgrade is taking it's own sweet time, and more importantly 2) I have no fast machine ;-) I put x11 into the ignore list in pkgtools.conf, but the recent perl 5.8 upgrade seems to ignore that and build everything anyway. -cs p.s. sorry have to resend this cos' "toying" with my postfix canonical settings... Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote: On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Chiang Seng Chang wrote: I also have an always-on "headless" server running for like 3 years now without any problem. I use it for: apache, samba, vpn, postfix (the "usual" server apps). I think the "key" is to use the minimal (translate: cooler, less power hungry) components. Mine is P2-400 with 5400 rpm HDDs. A UPS would be a nice addition. The ONLY issue I have is it takes a few *days* to do portupgrade -ar ;-) maybe I should just remove all the X stuff. You really should do this. All your services are configured via text files anyway. Regards, Uli. +---+ |Peter Ulrich Kruppa| | Wuppertal | | Germany | +---+ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Ernesto Ortiz
> > I have been doing some research on FreeBSD and I want to use it as my OS but > i have no idea on what files I need to download from the ftp sites. If > anyone can help with my problem I would appreciate it a lot. I have a really > good computer and I am sure that is more than capable of running > FreeBSD...But I lack the understanding on what I need to get to install it > in my PC. It depends a little on how you want to do the install. That further depends a little on the quality of your network connection. If your network connection is not very fast or you have trouble FTPing files, then you will probably want to download, burn and build from the -RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso and (possibly) -RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso files. In this case, everything you need to do an installation and even install a few of the most popular ports is on the CD[s]. Once you download them, you can proceed without using the net. If your network connection is reasonable and you don't have any trouble with ftp, then the easiest is to just download the -RELEASE-i386-miniinst.iso If you use the mini-iso, then the boot and install stuff is in the iso, but all the binaries, packages and ports skeleton are downloaded during the install process from the mirror site you specify during the install. The in the names above refers to the version number. So, if you want to load version 4.10 from the mini-iso, then it would be 4.10-RELEASE-i386-miniinst.iso Note that for releases 4.9 and earlier the mini-iso is xxx-mini.iso rather than xxx-miniinst.iso I am not sure what prompted the change. Just makes it harder to type accurately as far as I can see. So, ftp to ftp.freebsd.org, log in as anonymous with your Email address as password. Then cd to: pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ again where is the version you want. So for version 4.10 it is: pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/4.10 The iso images are all there. You might also want to download the CHECKSUM.MD5 file and use md5 to verify the integrety of the download. All the checksums for a particular release are in the one file and it is a straight text file. I normally choose to install over the net so I just download the mini-iso. But, I am fortunate in connections, having access to a university high speed links, but unfortunate in funds, due to the same university relationship. One further choice that is worth considering is to buy a preburned CD set from one of several vendors that package a set already for you. Usually that includes the CDs that you can get from FreeBSD, plus usually some additional CDs with some of the ports, plus most often a printed copy of the handbook or some other printed documentation. One special benefit of buying the CD set if you can is that most of these companies donate part of their receipts to the FreeBSD project. IF you buy the set, then you can install without having any network connection (or a bad one). jerry > > Thanks for your time. > Sincerly Ernesto Ortiz > ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
fxp0: device timeout with thinkpad r40
Hey I've found some documented problems with this on google but nothing that really helped me. I have an IBM Thinkpad R40 and finding chipset information for it all the docs say that it's an Ethernet Driver(ya i know) so the best i've got is that it's intergrated into the motherboard. I even have the pdf manual with all hardware specs and all it says is the following: GAU: Intel PRO/Wireless Network Connection 802.11b, 56K14 modem, 10/100 Ethernet, BluetoothTM,15 G3U: 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet (Wi-Fi wireless upgradable with built-in antenna)GDU: IBM 11a/b Wi-Fi wireless, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet BAU: Intel PRO/Wireless Network Connection 802.11b, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet BSU: Cisco 802.11b, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet B4U: 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet (Wi-Fi wireless upgradable with built-in antenna) 5TU: Cisco 802.11b, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet 58U, 5JU, F2U: 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet (Wi-Fi wireless upgradable with built-in antenna) 2QU: Intel PRO/Wireless Network Connection 802.11b, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet 47U, 24U, 22U, 2JU: 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet (Wi-Fi wireless upgradable with built-in antenna) 6LU, 3LU: IBM 11a/b Wi-Fi wireless, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet 2FU: Intel PRO/Wireless Network Connection 802.11b, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet 2SU: Cisco 802.11b, 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet 27U, 26U: 56K modem, 10/100 Ethernet (Wi-Fi wireless upgradable with built-in antenna) ...which is weird because it also talks a lot about the wlan card which might be causing all of this. Well basically i need some help from someone who got freebsd working on a similar laptop and i would really appriciate it. Med vänliga hälsningar Stefan Midjich, Swebase AB Tel: 042-20 15 00 Fax: 042-20 15 03 E-post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webb: http://swebase.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
free
How do I install freebsd and another Os in a pc with 2gigabyte hdd disk eg Window XP and freebsd. How do I format a system that has freebsd 4.5 in it Thanks you and God bless __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
make buildworld problem
Hello there, i don't know where to ask.. i have tried in many irc channels, but no one could help me.. so i'm trying to make buildworld, but there i get an error, always the same.. i have tried in fresh installed os, with GENERIC kernel and with my own, cvsup source and so on.. but nothing goes better.. I have read /usr/src/UPDATING.. and tried to follow rules. I put error log file in http://migla.ktu.lt/~cerberis/error .. maybe you can help me? thanks for time.. p.s. some info about system: 22:29:35 / # uname -a FreeBSD WD.kobra.ktu.lt 5.2.1-RELEASE-p8 FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p8 #5: Fri Jun 4 18:23:25 EEST 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WD i386 22:29:36 / # gcc --version gcc (GCC) 3.3.3 [FreeBSD] 20031106 22:29:52 / # cat /etc/make.conf # -- use.perl generated deltas -- # # Created: Thu Apr 22 19:02:38 2004 # Setting to use base perl from ports: PERL_VER=5.6.1 PERL_VERSION=5.6.1 PERL_ARCH=mach NOPERL=yo NO_PERL=yo NO_PERL_WRAPPER=yo 22:30:14 / # echo $PATH ./:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/root/bin:/stuff/bin:/usr/local/linux-ibm-jdk1.4.1/bin 22:33:36 / # cat /etc/supfile/source.sup *default host=cvsup2.lt.FreeBSD.org *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_5_2 *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress src-all ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
