Unable to find device node for /dev/ad0s1b in /dev!

[Sajith K]

When I tried to install freebsd 5.3 in a PIII machine
with 80GB hard disk I get the following error:

"Unable to find device node for /dev/ad0s1b in /dev!"
"The creation of filesystems will be aborted"

Could some one help me out ?

Thanks
Sajith 




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PPP speed touch USB Chap Input: FAILURE

[fgfdgfdg fdgfd]

Hello 
I have some problem with Wanadoo ADSL connection and
Alcatel speed touch usb

I have installed the port: /usr/ports/net/pppoa

here my configuration:

/etc/usbd.conf   (activate in /etc/rc.conf)
<===>
device "Alcatel SpeedTouch USB"
devname "ugen[0-9]+"
vendor 0x06b9
product 0x4061
attach "/usr/local/sbin/modem_run -f
/usr/local/libdata/mgmt.o"
detach "killall modem_run"
<>

netstat -rn  before connection
<=>
Routing tables

Internet:
DestinationGatewayFlagsRefs   
  Use  Netif Expire
default192.168.0.1UGSc2   
0rl0
127.0.0.1  127.0.0.1  UH  0   
0lo0
192.168.0  link#1 UC  1   
0rl0
192.168.0.100:e0:18:df:ed:48  UHLW3   
0rl0427

Internet6:
Destination   Gateway 
 Flags  Netif Expire
::1   ::1 
 UH  lo0
fe80::%rl0/64 link#1  
 UC  rl0
fe80::210:a7ff:fe1c:8e17%rl0  00:10:a7:1c:8e:17   
 UHL lo0
fe80::%lo0/64 fe80::1%lo0 
 Uc  lo0
fe80::1%lo0   link#6  
 UHL lo0
ff01::/32 ::1 
 U   lo0
ff02::%rl0/32 link#1  
 UC  rl0
ff02::%lo0/32 ::1 
 UC  lo0
<===>

/etc/ppp/ppp.conf
<==>
default:
 delete ALL
 ident user-ppp VERSION (built COMPILATIONDATE)
 set log Phase Chat IPCP CCP tun command

adsl:
 set authname **
 set authkey ***
 accept chap
 deny pap

 set device !"pppoa2 -vpi 8 -vci 35 -v 2 -d
/dev/ugen0"
 set speed sync
 set timeout 0
# set mtu 1492
# set mru 1492

 disable ipv6cp
 disable pred1 
 deny pred1
 disable lqr
 deny lqr 
 set dial ""
 set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0
0.0.0.0
 add! default HISADDR
<==>

/etc/ppp/ppp.linkup
<==>
MYADDR:
 delete ALL
 add 0 0 HISADDR

adsl:
 delete ALL
 add 0 0 193.253.60.3
<==>


so i have run connection with:

ppp -auto adsl

netstat -rn after connection
<==>
Routing tables

Internet:
DestinationGatewayFlagsRefs   
  Use  Netif Expire
default10.0.0.2   UGSc0   
0   tun0
10.0.0.2   10.0.0.1   UH  1   
0   tun0
127.0.0.1  127.0.0.1  UH  0   
0lo0
192.168.0  link#1 UC  1   
0rl0
192.168.0.100:e0:18:df:ed:48  UHLW0   
0rl0918

Internet6:
Destination   Gateway 
 Flags  Netif Expire
::1   ::1 
 UH  lo0
fe80::%rl0/64 link#1  
 UC  rl0
fe80::210:a7ff:fe1c:8e17%rl0  00:10:a7:1c:8e:17   
 UHL lo0
fe80::%lo0/64 fe80::1%lo0 
 Uc  lo0
fe80::1%lo0   link#6  
 UHL lo0
ff01::/32 ::1 
 U   lo0
ff02::%rl0/32 link#1  
 UC  rl0
ff02::%lo0/32 ::1 
 UC  lo0
ff02::%tun0/32   
fe80::210:a7ff:fe1c:8e17%tun0 UC tun0
<==>

/var/log/ppp.log
<==>
Feb 14 09:44:35 server ppp[135]: tun0: Phase: bundle:
Establish
Feb 14 09:44:35 server ppp[135]: tun0: Phase: deflink:
closed -> opening
Feb 14 09:44:35 server ppp[135]: tun0: Phase: deflink:
Connected!
Feb 14 09:44:35 server ppp[135]: tun0: Phase: deflink:
opening -> dial
Feb 14 09:44:35 server ppp[135]: tun0: Chat: deflink:
Dial attempt 1 of 1
Feb 14 09:44:35 server ppp[135]: tun0: Phase: deflink:
dial -> carrier
Feb 14 09:44:35 server ppp[135]: tun0: Phase: deflink:
carrier -> login
Feb 14 09:44:35 server ppp[135]: tun0: Phase: deflink:
login -> lcp
Feb 14 09:44:39 server ppp[135]: tun0: Phase: bundle:
Authenticate
Feb 14 09:44:39 server ppp[135]: tun0: Phase: deflink:
his = CHAP 0x05, mine = none
Feb 14 09:44:39 server ppp[135]: tun0: Phase: Chap
Input: CHALLENGE (16 bytes from BSVZY154)
Feb 14 09:44:39 server ppp[135]: tun0: Phase: Chap
Output: RESPONSE (fti/cvqz6a3)
Feb 14 09:44:39 server ppp[135]: tun0: Phase: Chap
Input: FAILURE
Feb 14 09:44:39 server ppp[135]: tun0: Phase: deflink:
Disconnected!
Feb 14 09:44:39 server ppp[135]: tun0: Phase: deflink:
lcp -> logout
Feb 14 09:44:39 server ppp[135]: tun0: Phase: deflink:

RE: All your laptops are belong to Windows.

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of bsdnooby
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:33 PM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: All your laptops are belong to Windows.
>
>
>
> I'm defeated.  The FreeBSD install gives no hints as to why it
> turns off
> my laptop.
>
> When I try to install FreeBSD, my brand new I'm blue.HP
> Pavilion laptop
> turns itself off.  It does not matter if I use 4.x or 5.x, CD or
> floppies.  There is no error log since it just shuts off after
> I choose
> to load a kernel.  I have tried loading with ACPI off, and it does not
> help.  I believe I tried all the kernel options available from
> the menu
> on 5.x.
>

After reading that 4.X is killing it, my guess is that what's going on
is that one of the device drivers compiled into the kernel that is
for a piece of hardware that is NOT on your laptop is issuing a probe
that is hitting a port that HP decided to use for something.

If you really wanted to, and you have a system already running 5.X,
it is possible to compile a custom kernel that has all device drivers
stripped out of it, then put this kernel onto the first install floppy
and do a floppy install of FreeBSD.  Then make sure a copy of that kernel
exists on the system when you reboot.

This is a long and complicated procedure, unfortunately, and since
your laptop is brand new, probably isn't worth it since you can simply
return the laptop to the store and get a different one.  (since it's
under the 30 day return policy)

Before you do that though it would be very kind if you could please
submit
a PR for this so we can get it documented.

I also still think that the ACPI could possibly be at fault.  I know that
there's an option to disable ACPI probes, but I had a similar problem
with a different system back in the early 4.X series of FreeBSD.  I
forget
the version of FreeBSD that they introduced ACPI support, but I clearly
recall the prior version of FreeBSD booting and running on a desktop,
then the next 4.x version which had ACPI, not booting on this system,
despite turning off the ACPI probe.  As I recall a BIOS update from
the manufacturer fixed the problem.  (ACPI still didn't work but at least
the diskettes booted)

Of course, since power management on a laptop is pretty required, an
exercise in getting a stripped kernel running on that Pavilion is purely
academic.

> The computer is a HP Pavilion zv5445us, with 512MB RAM, P4-3Ghz, 100GB
> HD, 15.4" Hi-Def Screen, 54G 802.11b WLAN.  I purchased it
> from Best Buy.
>

Best Buy is fairly good at taking exchanges within 30 days.  Their
written
policy kind of threatens a restocking charge of 15% on opened notebook
computers -
but the exception is if the item is defective.  In your case you have a
grey area, but if you were to take it back and tell them that the system
is periodically shutting itself down and you want to exchange it for a
different model because you don't have any confidence in the zv5445us,
they wouldn't be able to verify this and you could probably talk your way
out of the restock charge, PARTICULARLY if you bought the item on a
credit
card - since credit card issuers generally take a dim view of restock
fees on consumer items.  I have had a family member do this exact thing
with a laptop he bought from there a few years ago.  (it wasn't a FreeBSD
thing, the laptop was just not very well made and he ended up buying a
more expensive laptop from them)  This is also particularly if you bring
back ALL OF
the original packing materials AND THE SOFTWARE particularly if it's
unopened,
and repack the laptop in it's box.  Remember
that Best Buy has to send the thing back to HP and if it breaks in
transit
and it wasn't in the factory cardboard, HP is going to charge Best Buy
for the loss.

> abruptly shutdown when trying to do the install.  It turns off before
> the install really starts, so I do not have much information to solve
> this problem.  The HD is never touched.
>
> I'm blue.
>

Don't be.  The project doesen't intend for end users to solve these
sorts of problems, frankly.  Return the laptop and get a different model
which will probably work fine and consider it a learning experience.

There's enough people within the Project that have contacts within HP
that if a decently-written PR was filed, it could be quitely handled
within HP.  I must warn you though that unless a PR is filed, nobody
is going to bother with a complaint on a mailing list.  You can file a
PR from any FreeBSD system you have.  See the handbook for details.

A PR also documents the problem so that other potential purchasers
will know to avoid the problem model.

Ted

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Re: All your laptops are belong to Windows.

[Ramiro Aceves]

Hello,
Have a look at http://gerda.univie.ac.at/freebsd-laptops/ , I have not
found your model, but perhaps you can take some hints from other HP laptops.
Good Luck
Ramiro
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RE: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Erik Steffl
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:54 AM
> To: freebsd-questions
> Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
>
>
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> ...
> > of laziness.  In my case I unfortunately decided it might be
> a good thing
> > to use a Microsoft client mail program to handle e-mail.  This was a
> > decade ago.  I now have around ten thousand archived e-mail messages
> > accumulated in a massive *.pst file that I really want to keep - not
> > because
> > I want to look at all of them again some day, but because from time
> > to time I have to go digging around in that archive looking for some
> > specific piece from some specific person - sometimes these
> messages might
> > be 5-6 years old.
> >
> > One of these days though when I get some time, that file is going to
> > get exported so that I can get out of dealing with Outlook.  As it is
> ...
>
>not sure how you plan to do the conversion but it looks
> like you are
> thinking about doing something with file itself. I'd install an IMAP
> server (it's good way to handle email anyway) and just use outlook to
> copy the emails from local folders (i.e. pst file) to an IMAP server.
> Pretty easy and you don't have to think about file formats
> etc., outlook
> does all the work for you.
>
>(maybe you already knew this but I thought it would be
> useful to have
> it out here for all readers because I have seen people puzzling about
> how to get the email out from outlook and not considering this trivial
> solution)
>

Yes, that is how I was planning on doing it since I am already using IMAP

Note that for Outlook 98, and Outlook 2000, you MUST install Outlook in
"Internet mode" NOT "corporate/workgroup mode" in order to use IMAP with
Outlook.

This doesen't apply to Outlook Express, BTW.  Only to the Outlook that
comes
with Office XXX.  They might have changed that in Outlook 2003 though.

Ted

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Re: Updated perl - broke stuff

[Dick Hoogendijk]

On 14 Feb Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 12:24:07PM +0100, Dick Hoogendijk wrote:
> > Meaning I don't run this update script when updating perl from say
> > "5.8.5" to "5.8.6" ?
> 
> No, that what I meant by "when updating from an older version".  When
> perl changes from e.g. 5.8.6 to 5.8.6_1 (an internal port change that
> doesn't change where the files are stored on disk) you don't need to
> take special action.

Ah yes. So I DO run the script for the update to 5.8.6 ?
OK, nice to know I didn't do that in veign ;-)

The /usr/ports/UPDATE script for perl contains a little typo imho. It's
referring to perl/5.[68].[1245] ! I think this should be changed to
perl/5.[68].[12456] if updating to 5.8.6 (six)! Or not?

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RE: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony
> Atkielski
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 5:49 PM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
>
>
> Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
>
> > That is laughable.  MS IE on Windows has one of the worst reputations
> > around for following web standards.  Go ask any professional
> designer.
>
> I did better.  I actually ran the W3C conformance tests against MSIE,
> and it passed.  At the time, no other browser came close.
>

This isn't the problem with IE

Yes, IE does pass the conformance tests.  The problem isn't that, the
problem
is that not only does IE digest correctly written HTML and display it,
the
problem is that it ALSO digest IMPROPERLY written HTML and displays
whatever it damn well pleases.  In short, there's no way to know how
an incorrectly written HTML page will display on IE.  By contrast it's
easy
to know how an incorrectly written HTML page will display on Netscape -
it displays a blank page.

As a result of this, people that create web pages (and I am NOT polluting
the title 'web designer' by lumping every moron that writes a web page
into that group) and only look at them with IE usually end up making lots
of mistakes.  They fix these by layering on even more bandaids and
mistakes
until they get something somewhat resembling what they are after.  Is is
of course only displayable in IE.  Needless to say this is a VERY bad
thing
for the Internet because it undercuts the standards as it enables the
proliferation of websites that don't follow them.

By contrast the Netscape browser tends to reject bad HTML and displays
nothing.

And naturally what's sauce for the goose isn't sauce for the gander with
Microsoft - since the homepage for MSN is made sure by the MSN designers
to
be perfectly displayable on even older versions of Netscape, which are
the
most intolerant of bad HTML.

Whether or not IE really is failing compliance by doing this is
arguable - it
is pretty difficult to test for non-compliance when the way that the
browser
is non-compliant is because it is accepting incorrect HTML in addition to
correct HTML.  However web designers who are far more understanding of
this
have in fact created example web pages that display what some of the more
obvious problems are.

> Today, MSIE is not the only browser with good conformance, but it is
> still one of the best.

That depends on your definition of "best"

Ted

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NAT with SIP-Spoofing

[Zaleo]

Dear all,
Somehow I can't set-up my NAT router after changing the connection settings.
It was working before, I changed the ppp connection to a SIP-Spoofing 
connection (In my ADSL router and FreeBSD Box).
I have a local connection on my FreeBSD box.

My ro0 interface is configured with my public IP.
I started nat;
/sbin/natd -v yes -interface rl0
There is no real output from this process.
I have routed all traffic:
/sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via rl0
I used these instructions to get my FreeBSD Box connected to the Internet 
with SIP-Spoofing:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~possamai/adsl/sip_spoof/ (Dutch)

NAT was working correctly when I used the "nat enabled" option in my ppp 
script.

The DNS lookup is correctly done on all workstation (With my own DNS 
server, forwarding from ISP).
All workstations are using my FreeBSD box as default gateway (DHCP).

Is there a conflict between SIP-Spoofing and NATd?
If any more information is required please feel free to contact me.
Thanks in advance,
Zeo Smeijsters
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Re: All your laptops are belong to Windows.

[Rainer Duffner]

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of bsdnooby
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:33 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: All your laptops are belong to Windows.

I'm defeated.  The FreeBSD install gives no hints as to why it
turns off
my laptop.
When I try to install FreeBSD, my brand new I'm blue.HP
Pavilion laptop
turns itself off.  It does not matter if I use 4.x or 5.x, CD or
floppies.  There is no error log since it just shuts off after
I choose
to load a kernel.  I have tried loading with ACPI off, and it does not
help.  I believe I tried all the kernel options available from
the menu
on 5.x.
   

After reading that 4.X is killing it, my guess is that what's going on
is that one of the device drivers compiled into the kernel that is
for a piece of hardware that is NOT on your laptop is issuing a probe
that is hitting a port that HP decided to use for something.
If you really wanted to, and you have a system already running 5.X,
it is possible to compile a custom kernel that has all device drivers
stripped out of it, then put this kernel onto the first install floppy
and do a floppy install of FreeBSD.  Then make sure a copy of that kernel
exists on the system when you reboot.
This is a long and complicated procedure, unfortunately, 

If the laptop can do PXE-boot, it may be easier to build that 
custom-kernel for a PXE-install...

Search for FreeBSD PXE install on Google.
But I agree that it might be a better idea to get another laptop. I 
didn't have much problems with the FSC E8010, but it's not the cheapest 
and the power-management left something to be desired, I will retry it, 
though in the next weeks or months. Also, as the support for vmware4 on 
FreeBSD matures, it might also kill the only other reason for Linux on 
that thing ;-)

If you want to keep a HP, try a NX 7010 and see if that works better. 
The "Pavillion"-series is really the low-end of the spectrum.


cheers,
Rainer
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Re: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN!

[Adi Pircalabu]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:18:17 -0800
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A spammer is forging several of SORBS spamtrap e-mail
> addresses on their outgoing spams.  The spams hit freebsd.org
> which of course is bouncing them back to the sender, which
> is in this case is the spamtrap e-mail addresses.  This
> triggers the SORBS autolisting.

Well, in this case, how about avoiding bounces completely? Bouncing to a
forged sender address is not the most clever (re)action these days.
Spammers and viruses abuse this succesfully (you pointed this very
well).
I belive that deleting (maybe dropping, tarpitting or deffering -
adjust to taste) these bad bad messages is a better idea.

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sendmail

[Kim johansen]

i got a problem with sendmail, when i send a mail it takes
20-60secound before the mail is queued and another 20-60 secound
before the mail is sendt.

Feb 15 11:21:24 srv102 sendmail[40844]: j1FALOJv040844: from=qkim,
size=44, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Feb 15 11:21:44 srv102 sendmail[40844]: j1FALOJv040844:
[EMAIL PROTECTED], ctladdr=qkim (1960/1975), delay=00:00:20,
xdelay=00:00:20, mailer=relay, pri=30044, relay=[127.0.0.1]
[127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (j1FALOJ9040845 Message accepted for
delivery)

Feb 15 11:22:27 srv102 sm-mta[40857]: j1FALOJ9040845:
to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ctladdr=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (1960/1975),
delay=00:00:43, xdelay=00:00:43, mailer=esmtp, pri=30375,
relay=gsmtp171.google.com. [64.233.171.27], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK
1108462951)

where do this delay come from?

Mvh
Kim Johansen
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Re: Kernel preemption

[mats . lindberg]

I've compiled the kernel with 
options PREEMTION

I've tried rtprio
I've tried sched_setscheduler(...scheduler=FIFO, priority=31...);
Swapping is turned off.

I still get 250ms pausing in the tcp comm. Maybe it is the stack?! Is it 
losing frames perhaps? Any good ideas what to look for - someone.

Regarding the HZ - My application never uses the cpu  for more than 1ms or 
so before it blocks. So that should not be tha case.
There are not many other processes and I have none of them running at an 
elevated priority/scheduler scheme.


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Re: ATI 9000 IGP

[Ion-Mihai Tetcu]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:56:14 +0200
Cristian Teodorescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello, 
> 
> I have a Acer Travelmate 2000 with ATI 9000 IGP graphic card due to
> this all devices from computer are seen as produced by ATI inclusive
> soud card that is a Realtek ALS650 AC'97.
> 
> Currently I am using Freebsd 5.2.1, everything works except for sound.
> I think all it need to be modified is some PCI id in the sound
> subsystem but I did not managed to find where realtek driver is. The
> card id for sound id 0x41431002 as reported by pciconf -lv. Can
> anybody tell me where i can find the realtek driver in order to fix
> it?

You have more chances to get a response on multimedia@ or mobile@ Also
note that 5.2.1 was a preview release and a lot has changed since. Did
you try 5.3 ?


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Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver

[Paul A. Hoadley]

On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 08:56:01PM -0800, Luke wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, RL wrote:
> 
> >1. I have adelphia cable internet.  I would like to get a dyndns or
> >no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain.
> >Simple enough.  However, I would like to also do my own DNS to
> >learn more about it.  Will I be able to do this if I set my
> >nameserver on godaddy to my box's dyndns address?  And from there
> >can I set up A records, MX Records, etc and all that good stuff?
>
> For a domain name to be effective, you need a public and highly
> referenced source to map your name to your IP address.

You certainly need a DNS server.

> That's what these public registrars do.

The registrar certainly puts an NS record in the top-level zone file.
Beyond that, some of them no doubt provide nameservice for an extra
fee, or are associated with some DNS provider.  But registration of
the name and provision of DNS are separate issues.

> You want them to map your name to your address.  You can't move that
> service to your own box because... well.. how would anybody find you
> in the first place?

While your conclusion might be true for the OP (we have established
elsewhere that he almost certainly can't do what he was hoping he
could), it's not about being able to find his machine.  If he
fulfilled the technical requirements (static IP addresses, more than
one host providing DNS), he certainly could point the world at his own
box by nominating it, and another, as the namerservers with his
registrar.

> Technically you can do SOME of the domain service yourself if you're
> running a network.  Public DNS servers might get them to
> yourdomain.com, and then you could direct them to
> machine1.yourdomain.com, machine2.yourdomain.com, etc.  but you
> probably don't have any need for something like that at home.

Unless you're describing port redirection of some kind, you're
describing the OP doing his own DNS.  I think we've ruled that out.

> You can run your own DNS service to do lookups for yourself though,
> and it's a fun way to learn about how the global system works.
> Check out the sections of the FreeBSD Handbook on BIND.  Running DNS
> for a small network in my home was pretty educational for me.

I agree.  Running BIND on your own network is a good exercise.

> >3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain
> >(again to learn).  Would I be able to do this and send receive
> >email from/to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I know most ISPs block port 25
> >and no-ip.com has a pay service called mail reflector that can get
> >around this.  Is this necessary?  Why couldn't I just set up
> >sendmail to use a port other than 25 like 8080?
> 
> Sending isn't the problem.  You can send from just about any port
> you want.  It's receiving that's the problem.  When a mail server
> tries to deliver mail to mynewdomain.com, it's going to be looking
> for your mail server on port 25, because that's the standard.  It's
> just like how your web browser always goes looking for a web server
> on port 80 when you contact another machine.  Unless there's some
> trick you can do with the MX records for your domain to advertise to
> the world that your mail server is running on a nonstandard port,

There is no such trick.

> I don't know how you could get around the receiving problem if your
> ISP blocks incoming connections to port 25, short of having some
> external service like those you've mentioned cache the mail for you.

As an aside, are there still ISPs that do this?  How draconian.


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Re: sendmail

[Simon Barner]

Kim johansen wrote:
> i got a problem with sendmail, when i send a mail it takes
> 20-60secound before the mail is queued and another 20-60 secound
> before the mail is sendt.

Hi,

that sounds like a DNS issue. Make sure that forward an reverse lookups are
working correctly, and that your hostname is set properly in
/etc/rc.conf.

Simon


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Re: sendmail

[Kim johansen]

I cant find any problemes with dns.

try to ping localhost/hostname/domain, i got a answear, it takes 0.046 ms.

Kim Johansen




On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:01:34 +0100, Simon Barner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kim johansen wrote:
> > i got a problem with sendmail, when i send a mail it takes
> > 20-60secound before the mail is queued and another 20-60 secound
> > before the mail is sendt.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> that sounds like a DNS issue. Make sure that forward an reverse lookups are
> working correctly, and that your hostname is set properly in
> /etc/rc.conf.
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
>
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Re: Apache2 with worker MPM on 5.3

[Matthew Seaman]

On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 01:20:10PM +0200, Toomas Aas wrote:

> We are running a fairly busy website with Apache 2.0.52. At times
> a lot of httpd processes gather up and consume all the available
> memory, which slows down web access.

You should check and see if apache is validly spawning all those
sub-processes to cope with a traffic spike, or whether there's some
condition that's gumming up the works -- having a whole row of apace
processes hanging because they are attempting to talk to some database
that itself has gone a bit tits-up and isn't responding correctly
could quite easily lead to the sort of effect you're seeing.

An important tip with running Apache on high performance we sites is
to limit the maximum number of clients that will be spawned at any one
time so that it doesn't drive the system into swapping -- essentially
decide how muchof the system RAM you can dedicate to Apache, look at
the size of an individual apache process via ps(1), divide one by the
other and use that as the 'MaxClients' setting in httpd.conf.

Note that loading such modules as mod_perl or mod_php will increase
the size of individual apace processes enormously.  Don't load such
modules unless you actually need them, and in some cases it may even
be worth running several instances of apache, both with and without
those modules, plus adroit use of proxying and mod_rewrite in order to
get the best performance.

Note too that Apache 1.3.x processes are generally smaller than
equivalently configured Apache 2.0.x processes so may help you get the
most out of your server.

> Apache2 was installed from ports and defaulted to prefork MPM. I read
> from the Apache performance tuning document that worker MPM may perform
> better on busy websites and has smaller memory footprint. Is it safe to
> run Apache2 with worker MPM on FreeBSD 5.3? There must be a reason why
> prefork is the default...

Prefork is the original mechanism Apache used to multiplex itself.  It
generally works exceedingly well on Unix systems where fork(2) is fast
and efficient, which is why it is the default.  Threaded MPMs may or
may not be better for your particular situation, depending on:

i) OS -- some have vastly better implemented threading
infrastructure than others.  For some, the overhead of
fork()+exec() is huge, making use of threads anecessity.

ii) Web application -- if you're just serving static HTML, then
there's no need to use anything other than the prefork MPM.  On
the other hand, if you're running large, complicated web apps
written in perl, PHP, Java etc. then a threaded MPM may fit better
with the design of that particular application.

iii) The nature of the workload -- how much data are you shifting,
how much does it cost your servers to generate that data, how does
demand vary with time-of-day or day-of-week.

There isn't any one-size-fits-all answer.  You will have to experiment
with your particular set up in order to tune it for maximum
performance.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: sendmail

[Oliver Leitner]

err, just an idea, youre relaying via smtp from gmail.

isnt that smtp.gmail.com?

just from what ive lately seen, the gmail smtp server is a little bit slow on 
sending

On Tuesday 15 February 2005 11:23, Kim johansen wrote:
> i got a problem with sendmail, when i send a mail it takes
> 20-60secound before the mail is queued and another 20-60 secound
> before the mail is sendt.
>
> Feb 15 11:21:24 srv102 sendmail[40844]: j1FALOJv040844: from=qkim,
> size=44, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Feb 15 11:21:44 srv102 sendmail[40844]: j1FALOJv040844:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], ctladdr=qkim (1960/1975), delay=00:00:20,
> xdelay=00:00:20, mailer=relay, pri=30044, relay=[127.0.0.1]
> [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (j1FALOJ9040845 Message accepted for
> delivery)
>
> Feb 15 11:22:27 srv102 sm-mta[40857]: j1FALOJ9040845:
> to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ctladdr=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (1960/1975),
> delay=00:00:43, xdelay=00:00:43, mailer=esmtp, pri=30375,
> relay=gsmtp171.google.com. [64.233.171.27], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK
> 1108462951)
>
> where do this delay come from?
>
> Mvh
> Kim Johansen
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Re: sendmail

[Kim johansen]

Thats not the problem, it takes 20 secound before sendmail can get the
message accepted. it is been queued after 20 secounds.

So a phpscript with mail would be running for 20secounds just to send a mail.


On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:10:43 +0100, Oliver Leitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> err, just an idea, youre relaying via smtp from gmail.
> 
> isnt that smtp.gmail.com?
> 
> just from what ive lately seen, the gmail smtp server is a little bit slow on
> sending
> 
> On Tuesday 15 February 2005 11:23, Kim johansen wrote:
> > i got a problem with sendmail, when i send a mail it takes
> > 20-60secound before the mail is queued and another 20-60 secound
> > before the mail is sendt.
> >
> > Feb 15 11:21:24 srv102 sendmail[40844]: j1FALOJv040844: from=qkim,
> > size=44, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> > msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Feb 15 11:21:44 srv102 sendmail[40844]: j1FALOJv040844:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED], ctladdr=qkim (1960/1975), delay=00:00:20,
> > xdelay=00:00:20, mailer=relay, pri=30044, relay=[127.0.0.1]
> > [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (j1FALOJ9040845 Message accepted for
> > delivery)
> >
> > Feb 15 11:22:27 srv102 sm-mta[40857]: j1FALOJ9040845:
> > to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ctladdr=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (1960/1975),
> > delay=00:00:43, xdelay=00:00:43, mailer=esmtp, pri=30375,
> > relay=gsmtp171.google.com. [64.233.171.27], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK
> > 1108462951)
> >
> > where do this delay come from?
> >
> > Mvh
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RE: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony
> Atkielski
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:07 PM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
>
>

>
> Yes, and unfortunately that happens a lot.  The most frequent
> constraint
> I encounter myself is the need to read or write Microsoft Word files.
> Fortunately it is mostly just reading, so I can get away with the free
> Word viewer downloaded from MS, but if I must write the files,
> I have no
> choice but to use the dusty old copy of Office running on my oldest
> desktop machine.

Many wordprocessors write in Microsoft Word format these days.

> I personally have no use for Word at all, since I do
> all my text processing on Quark these days, but other people don't have
> Quark XPress, usually.
>

That is what AW used to layout my book, as a matter of fact.  It's
currently the defacto standard in the publishing industry because
they can go directly from it to a printing press.  But it is rediculously
expensive at $1,045.00 SRP.  I hesitate to tell you how large of
a percentage of my book royalties a purchase like this would take, but
I will say it's definitely more than a single digit percentage.

IMHO this is self-defeating.  Very few book authors would spend this
for writing software, and the publishers (like AW) spend millions a
year in retyping costs to take manuscripts from printouts and such
to stick them into Quark.  Quark is really vulnerable from being
disloged from this monopoly.  I can see that Quark is already
starting to fight a rearguard action as they are dumping copies
of it at the educational price into the academic market, now.
(where a lot of books originate)

You should at least check out Scribus http://www.scribus.org.uk/
This is an open source project that is aiming to replace Quark
There has already been one book published with it.  While perhaps
you might not be able to use it now, give it another 5 years and
it might do it.  I would have probably used this for writing mine
if it had been available then.

>
> But even if this were not the case, the obvious question still arises:
> WHY would I switch to 100% UNIX, when Windows works perfectly on the
> desktop?

YOU personally might not.  But you were originally arguing that
FreeBSD was unsuitable for a desktop OS.  Now I see this is subtly
changing, you are now only arguing that FreeBSD is unsuitable for
YOUR desktop OS.  But, you see, that is the point that I was trying
to make in my last post.

Anything can be used as a desktop OS, depending on your needs for
a desktop.  One of our customers for example uses Wyse Winterms
(my idea, incidentally) that he purchases off Ebay, that are logged
into a Fedora server. His desktops are at a number of stores that are
in the grocery store chain that he manages the IT for, they have cash
registers attached to them.

The company he works for is one of the faster growing regional
Mexican grocery store chains in this area.  I am quite sure that his
company is successful in a large part because of the massive inventory
control they have - the second something is sold in any of their stores
it's updated in the master inventory, there isn't any of this batching
bullcrap that a lot of grocery stores use, where they have individual
servers at each store who all dial into each other at night and attempt
to create some recognizable update to the database.  His chain can
probably
move product between stores and get product ordered faster than any
of their competitors, and when your dealing with perishables this is
of paramount importance. (particularly when most of them are shipped from
Mexico)

Now, most people aren't going to be using Winterms but the point is
that people have wildly varying needs, and many of them could in
fact use FreeBSD successfully as a desktop OS.

>
> They don't need an excuse.  If they have a program that they
> know how to
> use, there's no reason at all for them to learn to use another program.
>

Tell that to Microsoft then.  The new versions of Word, Excel, etc
ARE ANOTHER PROGRAMS the training required to bring most of the office
users up to speed on them is considerable.  I know this from experience
I used to work as a sysadmin for a number of years and worked at several
companies.  I always hated when Microsoft brought out new versions of
software because users would pester me with support questions for MONTHS
after updating them.  The worse offenders in fact were usually the same
people who were the biggest pushers to get updated.

And the costs had nothing to do with it.  I remember the Office 95 -
Office 97
upgrade, for example.  At the company I was working at that time they
were a small startup and didn't have a lot of cash - I sat down with
the CFO the day after pricing was announced for Office 97 and laid out
exactly all of the costs required for updating - from new system
purchases
(for some people with older sys

Re: sendmail

[Oliver Leitner]

may you please post your sendmail.mc file?

On Tuesday 15 February 2005 12:21, Kim johansen wrote:
> Thats not the problem, it takes 20 secound before sendmail can get the
> message accepted. it is been queued after 20 secounds.
>
> So a phpscript with mail would be running for 20secounds just to send a
> mail.
>
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:10:43 +0100, Oliver Leitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > err, just an idea, youre relaying via smtp from gmail.
> >
> > isnt that smtp.gmail.com?
> >
> > just from what ive lately seen, the gmail smtp server is a little bit
> > slow on sending
> >
> > On Tuesday 15 February 2005 11:23, Kim johansen wrote:
> > > i got a problem with sendmail, when i send a mail it takes
> > > 20-60secound before the mail is queued and another 20-60 secound
> > > before the mail is sendt.
> > >
> > > Feb 15 11:21:24 srv102 sendmail[40844]: j1FALOJv040844: from=qkim,
> > > size=44, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> > > msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > Feb 15 11:21:44 srv102 sendmail[40844]: j1FALOJv040844:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED], ctladdr=qkim (1960/1975), delay=00:00:20,
> > > xdelay=00:00:20, mailer=relay, pri=30044, relay=[127.0.0.1]
> > > [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (j1FALOJ9040845 Message accepted for
> > > delivery)
> > >
> > > Feb 15 11:22:27 srv102 sm-mta[40857]: j1FALOJ9040845:
> > > to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ctladdr=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (1960/1975),
> > > delay=00:00:43, xdelay=00:00:43, mailer=esmtp, pri=30375,
> > > relay=gsmtp171.google.com. [64.233.171.27], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK
> > > 1108462951)
> > >
> > > where do this delay come from?
> > >
> > > Mvh
> > > Kim Johansen
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Re: Apache2 with worker MPM on 5.3

[Toomas Aas]

Matthew Seaman wrote:
Prefork is the original mechanism Apache used to multiplex itself.  It
generally works exceedingly well on Unix systems where fork(2) is fast
and efficient, which is why it is the default.  Threaded MPMs may or
may not be better for your particular situation, depending on:
Thanks a lot for the insight, Matthew. on Sunday I tried installing 
Apache2 with worker MPM and found out that I also had to rebuild PHP to 
make libphp4.so support threading. And then I found out that several PHP 
extensions that we need (such as php4-mysql) do not want to work with 
threading enabled. I didn't spend too much time investigating because I 
wanted to get the web server back up within reasonable time, but it 
seems that some PHP extensions just aren't considered thread safe and 
refuse to load when threaded version of PHP is in use.

So I had to put back Apache2 with prefork MPM. On the positive note, it 
has been performing better than before. Upgrading the Apache and PHP 
ports to latest may have something to do with it, as well as me finding 
and fixing a procedure which occasionally pulled /var/tmp full from 
remote server via http (aargh).
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RE: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony
> Atkielski
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:11 PM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...
>
>
> Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
>
> > Like Anthony, I do use Windows on the desktop myself.
>
> Well, that says it all, doesn't it?
>

No, the rest of the posting "says it all"

>
> If you had only one computer that could boot only one OS,
> which would it
> be?
>

I have been in that situation before.

Back in 1986 I was the stereotypical starving student
and could not afford to run out and buy new computer hardware.  And
by that time, it was obvious the future was in Intel-based PC hardware,
so none of my older computer gear was worth screwing with, and
worse was that the used market for old computer gear was pretty well
stuffed with non-Intel gear.  People were still in 1986, using IBM XTs
for business work, and if they were Dumpsterizing them, it wasn't
in any of the Dumpsters I ever dived into.  So, buying a cheap older
used computer wasn't really an option then like it is today.

I ended up buying the pieces of a clone IBM XT, brand new, and assembling
a computer.  I was too poor to afford a case for it so the thing sat
with all it's guts on the table.  The monitor was an amber composite
that I had purchased, also new, back sometime in 1982 or 1983, driven
from a CGA card  (some of those older CGA cards had composite output)
No hard drive, this was a dual floppy system.  (initially, I
ended up getting a 10MB drive later on)

I initially ran a pirated copy of DOS on it (remember, at that time
MS wasn't selling DOS retail) but shortly after I got it up I switched
over to...drumroll

Minix.



Ted

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Re: FTP server problem

[Peter Risdon]

On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 01:16 -0500, Jon Bruce wrote:
> Hi there, just trying to install FreeBSD, I am in the install section 
> and can seemingly login to an ftp server.  However everyone I try just 
> brings me back to the ftp server listing.  Any help would be great.  Thanks

Are you behind a firewall or gateway? If so, try passive mode - it's one
of the options.

Peter.


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Re: probably a simple problem with permissions

[Peter Risdon]

On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 23:53 -0500, David Wassman wrote:
> I am probably understanding this problem incorrectly meaning there is a 
> simple explanation that is escaping me. My /dev/cd0 is owned by root so  
> I have tried to change both the owner and the group so I can use it as a 
> user.
> 
> I have tried:
> chmod 777 /dev/cd0
> chmod -R 777 /dev/cd0
> chgrp 777 /dev/cd0
> 
> The problem is that when I reboot the system the old permissions return 
> and I have to su and change the permissions back. How do I make these 
> changes permanent? There is probably a security reason for  this but it 
> is very inconvenient on a desktop station. Any help would be 
> appreciated. I am running 5.3.

You need to make appropriate entries in /etc/devfs.conf

Read the file - it has some examples.

Peter.


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Re: how to configure a port for install

[Peter Risdon]

On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 21:48 -0500, Bob Ababurko wrote:
> Hello-
> 
> I am trying to figure out how to configure the portswhat I am trying 
> to do is add mhash to my system that a new script needs and I have to 
> add the --with-mhash=[dir] when I compile php.  Well I installed php 
> with the ports and I am hoping to reinstall it with this added.  I have 
> tried to add it to the Makefile under the configure options, but I got 
> an error that said: "Unassociated shell command".  That obviously is not 
> the right way.

Just install:

/usr/ports/security/php4-mhash

on top of your existing php installation.

An alternative is to install /lang/php4-extensions and check the
relevant boxes.

Peter.


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Re: how to configure a port for install

[Peter Risdon]

On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 11:48 +, Peter Risdon wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 21:48 -0500, Bob Ababurko wrote:
> > Hello-
> > 
> > I am trying to figure out how to configure the portswhat I am trying 
> > to do is add mhash to my system that a new script needs and I have to 
> > add the --with-mhash=[dir] when I compile php.  Well I installed php 
> > with the ports and I am hoping to reinstall it with this added.  I have 
> > tried to add it to the Makefile under the configure options, but I got 
> > an error that said: "Unassociated shell command".  That obviously is not 
> > the right way.
> 
> Just install:
> 
> /usr/ports/security/php4-mhash
> 
> on top of your existing php installation.
> 
> An alternative is to install /lang/php4-extensions and check the
> relevant boxes.

Ugh. errant slash:

install lang/php4-extensions

Peter.


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RE: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN!

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adi Pircalabu
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:15 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN!
>
>
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:18:17 -0800
> "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > A spammer is forging several of SORBS spamtrap e-mail
> > addresses on their outgoing spams.  The spams hit freebsd.org
> > which of course is bouncing them back to the sender, which
> > is in this case is the spamtrap e-mail addresses.  This
> > triggers the SORBS autolisting.
>
> Well, in this case, how about avoiding bounces completely?
> Bouncing to a
> forged sender address is not the most clever (re)action these days.
> Spammers and viruses abuse this succesfully (you pointed this very
> well).
> I belive that deleting (maybe dropping, tarpitting or deffering -
> adjust to taste) these bad bad messages is a better idea.
>

Once you can figure out how to program the FreeBSD mailservers to
determine exactly which incoming message is spam that needs to be
dropped, and
which is a legitimate message that is just perhaps misspelled and
needs to be returned to the sender, your life wouldn't be worth a
plugged nickel because every spammer on the face of the Earth would
be gunning for you. ;-)

Better yet is figuring out how to program a mailserver to determine which
incoming mail senders address is the forged one, and which is the real
one.
A forgery wouldn't be much good if they forged an invalid e-mail
address, now would it? ;-)

Ted

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Re: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN!

[Matt Emmerton]

> > On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:18:17 -0800
> > "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > A spammer is forging several of SORBS spamtrap e-mail
> > > addresses on their outgoing spams.  The spams hit freebsd.org
> > > which of course is bouncing them back to the sender, which
> > > is in this case is the spamtrap e-mail addresses.  This
> > > triggers the SORBS autolisting.
> >
> > Well, in this case, how about avoiding bounces completely?

Better yet, why doesn't SORBS clean up it's act and only accept bounces for
messages that were sent by their systems?
Some kind of simple token in the test messages (much like how mailing list
software uses unique IDs) would avoid these kinds of
fake-bounces-causing-blacklisting errors.

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RE: problem with GCC search path on FreeBSD5.3 AMD64

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Maicon Stihler
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:18 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: problem with GCC search path on FreeBSD5.3 AMD64
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I installed FreeBSD 5.3 for AMD64 on my computer following the
> standard procedure. To my surprise, when I tried to compile new
> packages I find out that /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/include wasnt
> on gcc's search path. As a workaround I compiled the packages with
> CFLAGS="-B /usr/local/lib -I/usr/local/include".
>
> As far as I know, and the gcc info pages seems to agree, these too
> directories should be in the default search path.
>

this isn't a gcc problem.

> Is someone  else experiencing this same problem?
> Is there a way to add these directories to the default path without
> resorting to these env variables or runtime switches?
>

ldconfig

However, most packages use the -R and -L flags to the linker if they
are linking to a shared library in /usr/local/lib because not all
UNIX systems provide a ldconfig-type utility, and it is more portable
to hard code it.  Note that if your generating a library, don't use
either of these flags.  Libraries that depend on other dynamic libraries
(such as openssl's libraries that can be linked to zlib) at runtime
should confine themselves to only linking to libraries in /usr/lib  (or
build static)

There are pros and cons to using the hints file that ldconfig generates
vs compiling in the runtime location of the libraries.  Neither is
better than the other.

Another trick used is to softlink the library from /usr/local/lib to
/usr/lib

The LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable should never be used except for testing

Ted

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Operation: "ipfw on a gateway box"

[Hiram Abiff]

I followed your advice and rewrote my firewall rules.
Although, even now, there are some major difficulties.

I still, can't acces the net from my 2 other computers
via my FreeBSD firewalled gateway.
Although I set up on it to allow traffic on
ports 21, 22, 53, 8080 I can only telent to port
21, all the others report a "connection refused" error.

I can ping the FreeBSD box, but i cannot ping any outside
IP addresseses from the FreeBSD box or the other boxes on my
home LAN.

Also when FreeBSD is booting I caught some error messages that
said unknow command "setup" for some of my firewall rules.

I'm getting desperate please assist me in any way possible.

Here's my fwrules file:

> fwcmd="/sbin/ipfw"
>
>
> #Outside interface
> oif="tun0"
>
>
> #Inside interface
> iif="rl0"
>
>
> # Force a flushing of the current rules before reload
> $fwcmd -f flush
>
>
> #Check the state of all packets
> $fwcmd add check-state
>
>
> #Divert all packets through the tunnel interface.
> $fwcmd add divert natd ip from any to any via $oif
>
>
> # Allow all data from my network card and localhost
> $fwcmd add allow all from any to any via lo0
> $fwcmd add allow ip from any to any via $iif
>
> # Allow all connections that I initiate
> $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any out xmit $oif setup
>
>
> # Once connections are made, allow them to stay open
> $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any via $oif established
>
>
> # Everyone on the internet is allowed to connect
> $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 22 setup
> $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 21 setup
> $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 8080 setup
> $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 53 setup
> $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 4662 setup
> $fwcmd add allow udp from any to any 4672 setup
>
>
> # This sends a RESET to all ident packets
> $fwcmd add reset log tcp from any to any 113 in recv $oif
>
>
> # Allow outgoing DNS queries ONLY to the specified servers
>
>
> $fwcmd add allow udp from any to 161.53.114.135 53 out xmit tun0
> $fwcmd add allow udp from any to 161.53.114.145 53 out xmit tun0
>
>
> # Allow them back in with the answers
>
>
> $fwcmd add allow udp from 161.53.114.135 53 to any in recv $oif
> $fwcmd add allow udp from 161.53.114.145 53 to any in recv $oif
>
>
> # Allow ICMP
> $fwcmd add 65435 allow icmp from any to any
>
>
> # Deny all the rest.
> #$fwcmd add 65435 deny log ip from any to any

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OT - (was Re: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN!)

[Adi Pircalabu]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:58:01 -0800
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Once you can figure out how to program the FreeBSD mailservers to
> determine exactly which incoming message is spam that needs to be
> dropped, and
> which is a legitimate message that is just perhaps misspelled and
> needs to be returned to the sender, your life wouldn't be worth a
> plugged nickel because every spammer on the face of the Earth would
> be gunning for you. ;-)

Well :) let's put it in terms of cost: what's the cost of losing a
misspelled legitimate mail vs. the cost of bouncing ALL misspelled
mails which include virii and spam? This is quite a dilema, but I tend
to reduce the costs by dropping few legitimate mails instead of bouncing
them together with many other bad ones.

-- 
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NFS hangs on 5.3-RELEASE-p5

[Simonas Kareiva]

Good evening,

We have a problematic FreeBSD box, which acts as nfs server and runs
5.3-RELEASE-p5 on an i386 AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (in a 32-bit mode). The
purpose of the box is to supply another FreeBSD (5.2.1-RC) ftp server
with more disk space. As of -p5, we have src/usr.sbin/nfsd/nfsd.c,v
1.30 2004/08/07 04:27:52. Average system load is about 2,5.

The problem is, that the nfs server hangs after running for a while,
like, 20 minutes. Any file operations (at the nfs mount points and
below) hang on the ftp server too, making it inaccessible. The nfsd
processes on the nfs server do not respond to any signals sent by
`kill`, so only a reboot of the system is a temporary solution. We
have ACPI enabled, NMBCLUSTERS set to 65535, SMP, debug.mpsafenet=0
and also some kern.ipc.* customizations which, as we assume, do not
affect the behavior of nfsd. Everything is served via 3COM 3C940
single port, 1000baseT adapter (device sk). The whole dmesg is
available at http://webart.lt/~molotov/dmesg

Some file operations on the nfs server cause system panic. I didn't
debug anything, because I do not have much experience in it, but I
could try to do it by a request from anyone, who is willing to help.
The strace utility shows that no system calls are performed by any of
nfsd processes while they are inoperative.

Any help or comments would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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pagedaemon sometimes eat CPU

[Edvardas Butrimas]

Why pagedaemon somtimes eat CPU (about 1-3 minute)?

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Re: Boot manager doesn't boot (solved)

[Marcin Simonides]

14 Lut 2005 (Poniedziałek) o 23:53 (+0100) Marcin Simonides napisał(a):

> In the few recent months I've been having problems with the standard
> FreeBSD bootmanager: instead of booting some systems it would just beep
> and do nothing.
[...]

Ok, in my case setting the "packet" option for the bootmanager solved
the problem. I guess it's something to do with geometry perhaps? Well I
need read about that :)
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Re: All your laptops are belong to Windows.

[Davide Lemma]

I'm in a situation similar to you... I've just purchased a Medion SIM2000, 
it boots up but I've also some troubles with sound & modem.
Here the strange problem is that the sound card is a AC97 ALS (SiS7012) and 
it just outputs from headphone and the modem is a SiS7013 (Intel Winmodem) 
that isn't  in the ports tree (while there is the LT winmodem).
For the Video Card with some trick I was able to get a full 16:9 resolution 
like in windows but without DRI (this is an Xorg problem).
Above all I'm almost surprised because I know the difficulty to work with a 
laptop & unix.
I've tried Fedora Core 3 & Debian III but it gives me an error during boot 
(acpi error).
So like a BSD users I feel above all lucky enough.
The only suggestion I feel to give you is to wait the awake of 6.0 because 
it will have many changes in ACPI calls. I'm waiting too to have some tricks 
about my sound card :)

bye Davide
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To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:32 AM
Subject: All your laptops are belong to Windows.


I'm defeated.  The FreeBSD install gives no hints as to why it turns off 
my laptop.

When I try to install FreeBSD, my brand new I'm blue.HP Pavilion laptop 
turns itself off.  It does not matter if I use 4.x or 5.x, CD or floppies. 
There is no error log since it just shuts off after I choose to load a 
kernel.  I have tried loading with ACPI off, and it does not help.  I 
believe I tried all the kernel options available from the menu on 5.x.

The computer is a HP Pavilion zv5445us, with 512MB RAM, P4-3Ghz, 100GB HD, 
15.4" Hi-Def Screen, 54G 802.11b WLAN.  I purchased it from Best Buy.

Under Windows, it appears Hyper-Threading is turned on, and I have not 
found a way to turn it off inside the CMOS.

The machine runs Windows XP Pro fine, but I am trying to switch to FreeBSD 
on all my boxen.  I was really surprised to find this one abruptly 
shutdown when trying to do the install.  It turns off before the install 
really starts, so I do not have much information to solve this problem. 
The HD is never touched.

I'm blue.
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RE: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN!

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Emmerton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 4:06 AM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt; Adi Pircalabu; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN!
> 
> 
> > > On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:18:17 -0800
> > > "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > A spammer is forging several of SORBS spamtrap e-mail
> > > > addresses on their outgoing spams.  The spams hit freebsd.org
> > > > which of course is bouncing them back to the sender, which
> > > > is in this case is the spamtrap e-mail addresses.  This
> > > > triggers the SORBS autolisting.
> > >
> > > Well, in this case, how about avoiding bounces completely?
> 
> Better yet, why doesn't SORBS clean up it's act and only 
> accept bounces for
> messages that were sent by their systems?

SORBS doesen't send messages.  Your thinking of ORBS which probes
submitted mailservers to detect relaying.  SORBS is like most
other blacklists in that it uses spamtraps.

The solution is for SORBS to determine which ones of their spamtrap
e-mail addresses is being forged, then replace them with different
spamtraps.

Ted
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Re: Anthony

[Dick Hoogendijk]

On 15 Feb Timothy Smith wrote:
> Stijn Hoop wrote:
> >On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 02:34:24AM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> >
> >>MSIE has traditionally followed HTML standards more closely than
> >>almost any other browser.  Firefox does pretty well, tough; Opera
> >>much less so.
> >
> >Thank you for giving me another reason to killfile you again, after
> >you resurfaced without your vanity domain. You clearly don't know
> >jack about the things you write. Maybe you could write some code
> >instead of exploding the lists with drivel.
> >
> >*plonk*
> >
> hah well said sir

I think most of the time Anthony *does* know what he writes about but
does not care enough to be honoust about *all* the facts. In Holland we
also had a person like him -silent for quite some time now- polluting
a list with propaganda and twisted truths about windows/linux things.

Discussion will *never* silence such a person, nor will polite questions
do the trick. They feed on response. The only way we got rid of this
person was to *totally* ignore everything he wrote about. *Everything*!
It took quite a while before everybody understood this to be the way to
go. As long as people keep on responding, Anthony's will florish..

As he once said (one of the things I agree about): a killfile is no
solution; it's the easy way out; a bit childish even ;-)

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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Bart Silverstrim]

On Feb 14, 2005, at 7:43 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Eric Kjeldergaard writes:
Well, no that's not entirely true...First off, there's the claim by
Windows itself that it's not drivers.
The OS itself never identifies problems as being within the drivers.
Driver code is assimilated with the kernel while it is running.
You've read the code (as you say) and know that Windows wouldn't
possibly lie about the fact that it's not the drivers.
Sure it would.  Most error messages are generic; few programmers are
conscientious enough to put in extremely detailed and specific error
messages.  And in some cases the OS doesn't really know what happened,
especially for faults in the kernel (or the drivers, which are
assimilated with the kernel, as I've said).
And then there's the thing where since one is including drivers along
with an operating system, they are part of the operating system even
if they were written by a third party.
They are not part of the operating system.
You spend a lot of time arguing...Let's look at it this way.
"It's not part of the OS!"
Fine.  Will MS let me buy just the kernel?
Didn't think so.  It's all or nothing.  While that's the technical way 
of looking at it (not part of the OS) they ARE part of the 
distribution, and for practicality's sake, and for the definition of 
any reasonable person, they ARE part of the OS.  If it comes with the 
average CD installation, it's part of the OS.  I don't hunt the @#$$% 
driver down, I don't run a separate installer, I don't jump through 
hoops to install it, the OS detects the device and installs the driver 
then for all purposes of the rest of the sane Earth it's "part of the 
OS".  Why?  I bought Windows, I installed it, and it installed the 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] driver without intervention.

Extend it a little more, even MS argued that Internet Explorer was part 
of the operating system and could not be unbundled.  For their product 
definition, it was part of the OS.  Technically, it was not.  
Practically, it was.

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freebsd vpn tunnel with two subnets on one site

[Thomas May]

Hi,

 

i have created a vpn tunnel between two freebsd 5.3 machines with ipsec and
racoon. Iam routing two private networks 

behind the vpn gateways over the internet. Its working fine.

 

192.168.0.0 / 24

|

|

VPN Gateway 1

|

|

Internet

|

|

VPN Gateway 2

|

|

192.168.1.0 / 24

 

If I now want to add a new network on one site for example 192.168.2.0 / 24,
how can I do this ?

Is this a routing problem, or is ipsec limited to route only one network ?

 

Thanx for your answers .

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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Vonleigh Simmons]

MSIE has traditionally followed HTML standards more closely than almost
any other browser.  Firefox does pretty well, tough; Opera much less 
so.
	You are _definitely_ not a web designer. MSIE is _hell_ with standards 
compliance. Mozilla is the best, followed by Opera, KHTML/Safari is 
also up there; MSIE is the _worst_ and has several glaring errors when 
it comes to supporting standards.

It botches:
* The box model.
* Transparent PNGs.
* Position: Fixed.
etc.

Webmasters should probably be replaced if they design an open Web site
for any _specific_ browser.  Internal web sites are a different story.
	In an ideal world. But in the real world you have to build your site 
using standards compliance, then do tricks to make it work in explorer. 
Don't believe? look through my website code. Or even look at the 
variety of projects and tutorials dedicated to getting around the flaws 
in explorer. An example:


Vonleigh Simmons

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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Bart Silverstrim]

On Feb 15, 2005, at 12:40 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Microsoft doesn't understand servers very well.  Most people at
Microsoft grew up using microcomputers, and that's all they know (sound
familiar?).  They truly have no idea of some of the constraints that
apply to the server world.  As a result, they don't build ideal server
software.  The closest they've come has been with the early versions of
Windows NT, which had a very solid kernel.
"They" were an outside team that worked on VMS.  "They" started NT 
before Windows became a marketing drone's dream.  The Windows subsystem 
became the default subsystem after Windows 3.x took off.  Originally it 
wasn't going to have a GUI.

A GUI always detracts from a server's function.  Nobody is sitting in
front of a server,
Three of ours are sitting right behind me.
That has never been an objective of Microsoft.  Their servers have
elaborate GUIs because the operating systems come from the desktop
world, and won't function without a GUI.
They have GUIs because they thought it was easier to market.  They have 
GUIs because they're easier for novices to use as servers.  They have 
GUIs because MS started trying to market "servers" to the workgroup and 
not corporate markets.  They have GUIs because NT was a new kid on the 
block, people were familiar with Windows, and they were able to help 
marketing-wise slip some sales in because it was a lower learning 
curve.  They have GUIs because believe it or not, sometimes you don't 
need the strict definition of a "Server" in order to serve files to a 
couple other computers in your home network and that "Server" can, in 
fact, do double duty.

One of the most serious criticisms made of Windows in the server world
is that you cannot run a Windows server without a GUI, and remote
administration is an unbelievably awkward nightmare.
That's two criticisms, and at this point, I really think most people 
don't give a rat's behind about the GUI in a server, since the OS 
should be paging out unused pages to swap if the server settles down.

Remote administration sucks, yes I'd agree.  You have to jump through 
hoops to find decent tools for reigning in Windows in many situations.


Apple is smart enough to pull it off ...
Apple has no advantage over Microsoft in this respect.  They are 
locking
their own OS into a GUI, too.  But they probably realize that their
future is in desktops, not servers.
That surely explains their sales of XServes and RAID servers.
Don't want the GUI, then install Darwin.  Want GUI and remote 
admin/monitoring tools, use OS X Server.  Don't log into it, and it'll 
swap out most of the "GUI" stuff to disk.

... but all Microsoft has done is continue to guarantee employment for
MSCE's who continue to exclusively recommend any and everything
Microsoft who in turn continually ensures these champions stay
employed.
As I've said, Microsoft doesn't care about employment of MCSEs.
They most certainly profit from MCSEs.
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Re: How do I set the source address on a multi-homed host?

[Emanuel Strobl]

Am Samstag, 12. Februar 2005 16:05 schrieb Daniela:
> On Friday 11 February 2005 21:27, Alin-Adrian Anton wrote:
> > Daniela wrote:
> > > I have two NICs (one inside and one outside interface) with NAT
> > > activated. The problem is that every time I establish a connection with
> > > a machine on my LAN, it uses the address of the outside interface as
> > > the source of the packets, which creates problems with my firewall. How
> > > do I tell my machine to use the other address whenever I connect to a
> > > local machine?
> > >
> > > Daniela
> >
> > Hi Daniela,
> >
> > Can you please be more specific? You mean this happens when you are
> > connecting from inside intranet to some other point inside intranet?
>
> Yes, this happens when I connect from my machine (which functions as a
> router with NAT to allow the other LAN machines connect to the internet) to
> another LAN machine. When the router establishes a connection to another
> point in the intranet, the source address used is my official IP, and not
> 10.0.0.1, which is the intranet IP of the router.
> In other words, I want the source address to be 10.0.0.1 on every outgoing
> connection where the destination is inside my intranet.

It's easy if your doing NAT with PF or IPF, something like:
nat pass on $o_if from $localnet to !$otherlocal_net -> $oif_addr
is what you want.

-Harry
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Re: sendmail

[Kim johansen]

yes, also when i ping my ip.

i cant find any sendmail.mc file.

i find freebsd.mc and freebsd.submit.mc, somone of them you want?
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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Joshua Tinnin]

On Monday 14 February 2005 09:32 pm, Anthony Atkielski 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
> > You can say all you want.
>
> Thank you.  I feel better about it knowing that it's okay with you.
>
> > Every professional designer I have ever talked with lamented the
> > poor state of standards conformance of IE for Windows.
>
> They probably never actually tested the browser.
>
> > And they could document it.
>
> Excellent ... where can I find a copy of their documentation?
>
> > MS only has compatibility with itself, and that is it.
>
> It interprets HTML correctly according to W3C standards, and it
> handles CSS correctly as well.  What other compatibility do you
> require?
>
> You can find test suites here:
>
> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Test/ (HTML4)
> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/ (CSS)
>
> > And since it is the 800lb gorilla, they think they can basically do
> > whatever they want.
>
> They know that some criticism of what they do has no basis in fact,
> and that people without emotional investment in a hatred of Microsoft
> may actually check the facts and invalidate the criticisms.
>
> > People I highly respect have done lots of tests of browsers with
> > the standard and conformance to the W3C standards suites and IE
> > Windows does not do that well.
>
> I've done the tests myself, instead of believing what others say, and
> MSIE does fine.  The URLs are above.

I worked as a professional web developer and designer from 1996-2002. 
You have no idea what you're talking about. Not only have I done the 
tests, I've worked with it for a living. Knowing whether it was 
compliant was part of my job. A huge part of my job was spent hacking 
existing sites that were perfectly compliant as written so that they 
would work properly in IE. Talk to *any* web developer, and they'll 
tell you the same thing. MSIE at one time was getting better with 
compliance (around when NS 4.7 was the most popular, a horrible time 
for compliance in general), but it still wasn't very compliant, and the 
spec has changed since they last updated it years ago. MSIE's CSS2 
support is pathetic, and CSS isn't very good as it is. It allows - and 
encourages - sloppy markup. They need to do more than push out security 
fixes.

- jt
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Re: mx2.freebsd.org in SORBS, AGAIN!

[cpghost]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 04:43:42AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> The solution is for SORBS to determine which ones of their spamtrap
> e-mail addresses is being forged, then replace them with different
> spamtraps.

This, and keeping a record of IP addresses that were already listed
in error once (some kind of grey/whitelist). Each time a grey/whitelisted
address is scheduled for auto-listing, a script or even a human should
have a look at this before relisting it again. This wouldn't prevent
them from initial mistakes, but it would help reduce the kind of DoS
attacks they are being subject to right now.

> Ted

-cpghost.

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Re: Anthony

[Bart Silverstrim]

On Feb 15, 2005, at 7:56 AM, Dick Hoogendijk wrote:
On 15 Feb Timothy Smith wrote:
Stijn Hoop wrote:
On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 02:34:24AM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
MSIE has traditionally followed HTML standards more closely than
almost any other browser.  Firefox does pretty well, tough; Opera
much less so.
Thank you for giving me another reason to killfile you again, after
you resurfaced without your vanity domain. You clearly don't know
jack about the things you write. Maybe you could write some code
instead of exploding the lists with drivel.
*plonk*
hah well said sir
I think most of the time Anthony *does* know what he writes about but
does not care enough to be honoust about *all* the facts. In Holland we
also had a person like him -silent for quite some time now- polluting
a list with propaganda and twisted truths about windows/linux things.
Discussion will *never* silence such a person, nor will polite 
questions
do the trick. They feed on response. The only way we got rid of this
person was to *totally* ignore everything he wrote about. *Everything*!
It took quite a while before everybody understood this to be the way to
go. As long as people keep on responding, Anthony's will florish..
The problem with that is that the propaganda will be picked up by 
Google caches and the like; people that know enough to search for 
answers and and starting out trying to learn the ropes start finding 
the drivel and lies and if no one responds, by nature, people tend to 
believe the crap.  "No one offered a counter to it"

:-/
These events also show the personality of the cult in which new people 
are starting to dip their toes into.  I can't count the number of 
people I've read accounts from saying that they were turned off to 
Linux a couple of times simply because the "help" was to go to IRC or 
newsgroups, and the people there were childish monsters.  Here is a 
list forum that has attracted people with FreeBSD questions (technical 
questions, general questions...I see it listed on the reply as just 
questions and not tech-questions) and some of these side discussions 
are now being met with listmoms demanding it be moved to -discussion 
(if it's supposed to be strict, wouldn't this forum be to ask questions 
and discussion be to get answers?).  If the list starts getting really 
negative, other people will be turned off to it.  (All this talk about 
logo/mascot contests...why would people WANT to get involved for 
"marketing" it if the people that usually help new people or people 
having trouble turn sour at others when they could opt just to ignore 
it?).  Sometimes the discussion DOES still help people.  One person 
commented that they thought the Ernie Ball story was interesting.  I 
had assumed people involved in using OSS or have to "market" it to 
their bosses would have found that information years ago already.

Eventually people probably will get so sick of it they just stop 
replying.  As I said early on to Anthony, he didn't hear what he wants 
to hear, so there's no point in answering him.  Sorry, no photoshop for 
FreeBSD, and if that's the only kind of criticism you have, there's 
nothing we can do about it.  Go away then.  But he continued to post 
about things that can mislead other people.  Yes, I'm guilty of feeding 
him too at the moment...I've worked hard at learning FreeBSD and Linux, 
and when people rip at it with information that is inaccurate, I don't 
want others to find that and think it's gospel truth.  It's just an OS 
but I've "wasted" a good portion of my life trying to learn the ropes 
of it and introducing it to my workplace, and I know what it's like to 
run into people with these kind of attitudes and I know that I've 
personally found ways that for me (and for what the majority of other 
people do) there *are* workarounds and alternatives available to them.  
Anthony comes off as the type of person that already has his mind set 
and what he's hoping to accomplish here I don't know...

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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Vonleigh Simmons]

no they did and could point out specific problems and likely
intentional changes.
Where can I see a list of these?
Here are just a few:

	A very basic one is the box model problem. Basically if you define the 
width of a box to be 100 pixels, and you put in a padding of 10 pixels, 
the total box size should be 120 pixels (100 pixels plus the 10 pixels 
on each side for the padding). However, explorer decided to take the 
width as the total size, so in the above example the box is only 100 
pixels wide instead of 120.

	It would be ridiculously easy to fix it and behave as the standard 
dictates, however, they refuse to do it. This is a major problem and 
can completely destroy a design.

	Another major thing that would be easy to fix is the handling of 
transparent pings. This would allow great versatility in site design, 
and many times I would've loved to use it. What Explorer does however 
is not just disregard the transparency, which would make it workable, 
but puts a light blue background behind the whole transparent image; a 
behaviour that makes no sense. Not only that, using proprietary IE code 
is the only way to make transparency work, and it doesn't work with 
repeating images (so the code is there to make it work, they just make 
you use IE only code for it to work).

	And these are just a few examples, on every single site I've designed 
I've run into new issues. Explorer is the worst browser when it comes 
to standards compliance, I have spent too many hours hacking up my code 
that works beautifully in every other browser, just so it works in 
Explorer.


It did better than any other overall.
	Next time STFW (really, google turns up many pages describing problems 
web designers have with IE), or at least don't talk about something you 
have no idea about.

Vonleigh Simmons

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FreeBSD motherboard survey site disappeared

[Randy Pratt]

There was a site collecting information about motherboards.  It was
at:
http://www.eilio.com/freebsd-motherboards/

It seems to be gone along with all the information that was collected.

For reference, this was the original list mail that started the
project:

http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?20031121094707.G89525

Anyone know where the site went or the whereabouts of the site's
owner ( Philip Hallstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> )?

Thanks,

Randy
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Re: Anthony

[Stijn Hoop]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 01:56:06PM +0100, Dick Hoogendijk wrote:
> I think most of the time Anthony *does* know what he writes about

He certainly know more about some subjects than I do, I will not
dispute that. However in all these e-mails I've never seen him back
off once on subjects that I *do* know, even when faced with
overwhelming evidence that contradict his 'facts'.

> Discussion will *never* silence such a person, nor will polite questions
> do the trick. They feed on response. The only way we got rid of this
> person was to *totally* ignore everything he wrote about. *Everything*!
> It took quite a while before everybody understood this to be the way to
> go. As long as people keep on responding, Anthony's will florish..
> 
> As he once said (one of the things I agree about): a killfile is no
> solution; it's the easy way out; a bit childish even ;-)

It is a bit childish; that's why he currently is the *only* person
whose mail goes directly to /dev/null.

I had actually given him the benefit of the doubt; this is my second
encounter with a person named 'Anthony Atkielski' on this list (given
the name I presume it's the same one), and it's not pretty _for the
second time_. Reasoning wouldn't work the first time, and I can
certainly ignore a lot of e-mail that I get from him or others, but I
do get a bit upset when a person simply misstates the facts and will
not back down (IE better at standards support being just one of said
facts).

I agree that response is what keeps these threads alive, and I know
that I'm contributing once again to the flames. However I'm still
hoping that Anthony will stop writing e-mails and start writing code
or documentation, or maybe triage bugs, or *anything* else that
benefits the FreeBSD project more than bickering about logo's, other
OS's, and desktops, and who 'is right' in one situation vs another.

Actually *doing* things is pretty satisfying too, you know.

In any case, this is my last public e-mail on the subject.

--Stijn

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Re: Updated perl - broke stuff

[Gerhard Schmidt]

On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 06:15:18PM -0800, Michael C. Shultz wrote:
> On Sunday 13 February 2005 02:02 pm, Paul Schmehl wrote:
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Ean Kingston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Cc: "Paul Schmehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 3:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: Updated perl - broke stuff
> >
> > > I stopped using portupgrade because it only upgrades ports that are
> > > out-of date. It then modifies the installed software database to
> > > change any dependencies that relied on the old port to show them as
> > > relying on the new
> > > port.
> > >
> > > For most ports, this works. For Perl, particularly mod_perl, this
> > > doesn't work. If you install a new perl you have to rebuild
> > > everything that depends
> > > on perl even if it hasn't been updated.
> > >
> > > So I stopped using portupgrade.
> >
> > Wouldn't it make more sense to fix mod_perl?  (Or portupgrade -
> > whichever one is the culprit?)  All the ports that depended upon perl
> > appear to have had their dependencies updated properly except for
> > libwww and mod_perl. ISTM, fixing those two ports makes more sense.
> >
> > If you don't use portupgrade, then what *do* you do?  Wouldn't you
> > have to deinstall and reinstall every port that depended upon perl? 
> > Or will pkgdb -F do the trick?
> 
> Pkgdb -F is what screws up the installed ports registry. Here is an 
> example of what happens:
> 
> 1. port-A needs dependency port-B installed
> 2. port-B is installed
> 3. port-A is installed and marks its registry as being dependent on 
> port-B
> 
> and here is where things go wrong using sysutils/portupgrade:
> 
> 4. port-B gets upgraded to port-B.1 and portupgrade reports port-A
> has a stale dependency.
> 
>   Then you run pkgdb -F and port-A's registry is changed to say it was 
> built with port-B.1, portupgrade claims this "fixes" the registry when 
> it really breaks it.
> 
> Remember, port-A was built with port-B, not port-B.1 and the correct way 
> to "fix" the stale dependency is to upgrade port-A so it is built with 
> the newer dependency.
> 
> sysutils/portmanager also updates ports, put it doesn't cheat. When
> port-B became port-B.1 portmanager will rebuild port-A using port-B.1
> as the dependency.  port-A's registry stays reliable, reflecting how the

I don't see why any port should be rebuild just because a Port it
depend on is updated. In more than 99% of all cases this is not needed. 
you whould en up in rebuilding openoffice or mozilla/firefox quite often. 

Correct me if im wrong. But most of the problem was caused by the fact 
that the installation directory of the perl modules has changed with the 
update. That's a Problem that ist unique to script languages like perl, 
ruby and python, and don't affect the vast majority of the Ports. 

Most ob the dependencies a of the type program A uses program B or 
program A uses a library ob program B. In both cases there is no 
need for an update of program A when program B is updated because 
programm a will work well with the new version of program b or more than 
just a recomile is needed to make it work with the new version. 

I might have helped if with the update of the perl ports all ports 
depending on perl would have been version bumped. So portupgrade had 
updated them with the perl port automaticly. 

I don't see where there is cheating with the update ob the dependency 
information. 

You install port A and port B. port B depends on port A. 

after some time you update port A to a new version. port B still
works without a problem. But port B still has the dependency for 
the old version of port A. Some time later you try to delete 
program A. There is a hell of work to be done finding out if any of 
the ports still installed need this port if the dependency information 
is not consisten with the installed version numbers. The dependency 
infomation should reflect the information what other ports are needed 
and not the information which version of a port A was installed on
the system on building time of port B. 

It should be the responsibility of a Port Maintainer to decide if a 
port has to be rebuild or not. A port maintainer can trigger a rebuild 
with a bump of the port revision. 

In case of such a widly dependen port like perl this bump could be done 
by the portmgr. 

A totaly different problem is the fact that the update of the perl port 
didn't update the information in /etc/make.conf. So the rebuild ob all 
dependend ports din't work until you called use.perl ports yourself after 
afterthe perl update. 

just my 2 cent. 

Bye
Estartu


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Mail Server

[Warren]

How do i go about setting up a mail server on my gateway machine to collect 
and store all email locally from the outside world etc ?
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Specify location of port install?

[S Salamander]

I have a situation where I need both gpgme03 and gpgme installed. 
However, both install their includes and other files in very similar
locations and another program I'm installing can't find the needed
gpgme03 files.

I don't believe anything else I have installed depends on gpgme03, so
I was wondering if there was a way when installing it again I could
specify the install directory such that I could point other apps I'm
installing to it more directly (I think their finding the gpgme files
when they need the gpgme03 files).

Is this possible?

Thanks.
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SSH-agent setting

[kilim]

Hello,

I set ssh-agent just fine for a session from a xterm under X. 


But what I'd like to have is once I log in to have session start from
my .profile so that when I do "startx" every subsequent xterm
'inherits' the ssh-agent so that I don't have to type in the password.

Is such a thing do-able ?

Thank you 


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Diskless NFS mounts weirdness

[cpghost]

Hi,

I've set up a pool of diskless workstations loosely following
the instructions in

  http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2004/09/30/diskless_clients.html

Everything runs just fine, except for one weirdness with mount and
/var:

% mount
192.168.122.1:/var/diskless_ro on / (nfs, read-only)
devfs on /dev (devfs, local)
192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/etc on /etc (nfs)
/dev/md0 on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates)
192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/tmp on /tmp (nfs)
192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/home on /home (nfs)

1. /var *is* actually mounted on 
   192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/var
   but it is not listed in mount(8)s output. Why?

2. Which part of the system created /dev/md0 and mounted that
   on /var? I don't need that and would like to save some RAM
   anyway.

It is possible to manually mount /var after booting the workstation,
though it doesn't seem to be necessary. All this does is add one line
to mount's output:

# mount /var
% mount
192.168.122.1:/var/diskless_ro on / (nfs, read-only)
devfs on /dev (devfs, local)
192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/etc on /etc (nfs)
/dev/md0 on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates)
192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/tmp on /tmp (nfs)
192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/home on /home (nfs)
192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/var on /var (nfs)

More details:
-

The first rc script to run is:


server# cat /var/diskless_ro/etc/rc
#!/bin/sh

PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin; export PATH

boot_ip=`kenv boot.netif.ip`
mount -t nfs 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/${boot_ip}/var /var
mount -t nfs 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/${boot_ip}/etc /etc
mount -t nfs 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/${boot_ip}/tmp /tmp
mount -t nfs 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/home /home

. /etc/rc2

exit 0


We see that /var is (or should be) mounted from the NFS server.

This is then followed by rc2, which is nothing more than a copy
of the regular /etc/rc, adapted for every single diskless client.

Every client has its own fstab, e.g.:

server# cat /pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/etc/fstab
# DeviceMountpoint  FStype  Options DumpPass#
192.168.122.1:/var/diskless_ro  /   nfs ro  0   
0
192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/etc /etcnfs rw  
0   0
192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/var /varnfs rw  
0   0
192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/tmp /tmpnfs rw  
0   0
192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/home   /home   nfs rw  0   0

All this is not terribly important (as said, everything works just
fine), but if someone has already experimented with diskless
workstations... :)

Thanks,
-cpghost.

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Re: SCSI device numbers

[Lowell Gilbert]

Mike Jeays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have at present two emulated SCSI devices on my system; a USB flash
> drive, and a DVD-writer.
> 
> They get assigned:
>  
>  0,0,0 0) 'SanDisk ' 'Cruzer Micro' '2033' Removable Disk
>  2,0,0   200) 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVDRAM GSA-4160B' 'A300' Removable CD-ROM
> 
> if the USB device is present at boot time (I think).
> 
> So my script for burning CDs, which says:
>   mkisofs -J -L -R -o x1.iso "$*"
>   cdrecord -v dev=2,0,0 x1.iso
>   rm -f x1.iso
> is very fragile.
> 
> How should I do it?  Write a script to read the output of cdrecord
> -scanbus and grab the device number?  There has to be a "right" way, and
> instinct says this isn't it.

It's not a bad way.  

I'm not sure I understand why the device numbering is so fragile,
though; wouldn't the ATAPI buses available at boot time be the same
whether they have devices or not?

-- 
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Re: Weird disk problems

[Ulf Magnusson]

Heh, should've mentioned; I'm installing FreeBSD 5.3

> Ulf Magnusson wrote:
>Today I decided to install FreeBSD, and so I grabbed a FreeBSD installation CD 
>off the net. The first time I booted from the installation CD, everything 
>went fine (seemingly), and I soon found myself in sysinstall. Not quite ready 
>to install at that point, and needing to shut down the system, I quit 
>sysinstall without having initiated any install or changed any settings 
>(except maybe for the keymap, I can't remember). I returned later to 
>commence the installation only to find that the boot process now hangs, the 
>last message being "GEOM configure ad0s1, start 32256 length 112785007104 
>end 112785039359" (verbose logging). I did not start my computer between 
>the two occasions, and didn't change my hardware configuration either. 
>Windows, which I have installed on the same disk (I shrunk the NTFS partition 
>by 10 GiB using Partition Magic to make way for FreeBSD), still boots fine.
>
>Help appreciated,
>Ulf


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removing pkgdb.db, and re-generate it

[Christer Solskogen]

Just for the kicks of it I tried removing
/var/db/pkgdb.db, and re-generate it by running pkgdb.
The funny thing is that the file is taking lesser space.
(from 4.6M to 3.9M) - not that it is much, but still why?
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Re: Broken shell - I can't login at all

[epilogue]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:57:28 -0800
Jeff BSD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi-
> I'm in the process of upgrading a 4.6 system to 5.3.  When I boot the
> machine it gets to:
> 
> 
> init: bin/sh on /etc/rc terminated abnormally, going to single user
> mode
> Enter root password, or ^D to go multi-user
> Password:
> 
> 
> I enter the password, then:
> 
> 
> Enter full pathname of shell of RETURN for /bin/sh:
> pid # (sh), uid 0: exited on signal 12
> init: bin/sh on /etc/rc terminated abnormally, going to single user
> mode
> Enter root password, or ^D to go multi-user
> Password:
> 
> 
> Round and round I go.
> 
> Sounds like I broke /bin/sh to me.  I've messed around in safe mode
> but I can't see how I can use it to possibly fix my problem, assuming
> I did do anything to /bin/sh (which I don't think I did -
> intentionally/directly that is).
> 
> How do I fix it so I can boot it?  A bit of the chicken and the egg,
> what?

hello jeff,

please see if it will accept /rescue/sh (the statically compiled rescue
binary)

gl,
epi

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mlock: not setgid mail

[Vonleigh Simmons]

	I asked this question before but we did not arrive at an answer. I'm  
getting in my mail log the following entry repeated:

usr/local/libexec/mlock[755]: (64) not setgid mail
	And I can't figure out what it's complaining about. Below is the  
previous thread on questions which didn't arrive at anything but did  
rule out some things. Any help resolving this issue is greatly  
appreciated.



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Re: FreeBSD motherboard survey site disappeared

[Andrew L. Gould]

On Tuesday 15 February 2005 07:48 am, Randy Pratt wrote:
> There was a site collecting information about motherboards.  It was
> at:
>   http://www.eilio.com/freebsd-motherboards/
>
> It seems to be gone along with all the information that was
> collected.
>
> For reference, this was the original list mail that started the
> project:
>
>   http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?20031121094707.G89525
>
> Anyone know where the site went or the whereabouts of the site's
> owner ( Philip Hallstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> )?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Randy

I don't know anything about the site mentioned above; but you may find 
the New York City *BSD Users Group's (NYCBUG) dmesg database helpful:

http://nycbug.org/index.php?NAV=dmesgd

Best regards,

Andrew Gould
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Help: Kernel Error

[Manu Jha]

Hi,

 

I am getting this message on FREEBSD /var/log/message file. Please help
me to fix the issue.

 

Thanks,

 

Feb 15 08:54:37 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Unrecovered
Read Error

Feb 15 08:54:37 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed
REBUILD task: I/O error - drive 0:2:0 failed

Feb 15 08:54:37 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed
REBUILD task: I/O error - drive 0:2:0 failed

Feb 15 08:54:38 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started
REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0

Feb 15 08:54:38 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started
REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0

Feb 15 09:22:48 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Error Event
[command:0x28]

Feb 15 09:22:48 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Error Event
[command:0x28]

Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Medium Error
[k:0x3,c:0x11,q:0xb]

Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Medium Error
[k:0x3,c:0x11,q:0xb]

Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Unrecovered
Read Error

Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Unrecovered
Read Error

Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed
REBUILD task: I/O error - drive 0:2:0 failed

Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed
REBUILD task: I/O error - drive 0:2:0 failed

Feb 15 09:22:52 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started
REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0

Feb 15 09:22:52 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started
REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0

 

> dmesg

aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Error Event [command:0x28]

aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Medium Error [k:0x3,c:0x11,q:0xb]

aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Unrecovered Read Error

aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed REBUILD task: I/O error - drive
0:2:0 failed

aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0

>

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IPSec and Racoon Question

[Timothy Radigan]

Hey all,

I have a question or two regarding IPSec and the Racoon port.  I have a
wired LAN and a wireless LAN in my house.  The BSD box acts as the primary
gateway/firewall/router.  For the wireless LAN, the AP has WEP enabled with
a 128-bit key.  Of course, with all of the nifty WEP cracking tools out
there I definitely want more protection, so I found a wireless networking
how-to using FreeBSD with IPSec and Racoon.

The initial configuration went very well and I am able to use IPSec between
the Windows XP wireless clients and the FreeBSD box.  However, the
connection seems to "time out" from time to time.  It's not the wireless
network because if I don't use IPSec I get an occasional time out due to
signal loss, but nothing near as much when I'm using IPSec.

It seems as though when the client(s) are idle for a period of time, they
loose their connection with the server and can no longer communicate.  When
I ping the BSD box from an XP client, it just states "Negotiating Security"
forever until I stop the IPSec service, wait a few minutes, and restart it.

Obviously I do not want to do this for each and every client when they drop
their wireless connection due to something with IPSec and/or Racoon.

Again, I do NOT have this problem when I take IPSec out of the picture.  I
never drop connections when I'm a floor away or on the same floor as the AP.
It's only an anomaly when I'm using IPSec.

Below are the following configuration files: racoon.conf, psk.txt, and
ipsec.conf.

If anyone has any ideas on why these connections are dropping, any help
would be appreciated.  Maybe there is another method of creating a VPN
tunnel for the wireless LAN?

Thanks,

Tim


** /usr/local/etc/racoon/racoon.conf **

path include "/usr/local/etc/racoon" ;

path pre_shared_key "/usr/local/etc/racoon/psk.txt" ;

path certificate "/usr/local/etc/cert" ;

log debug;

padding
{
maximum_length 20;  # maximum padding length.
randomize off;  # enable randomize length.
strict_check off;   # enable strict check.
exclusive_tail off; # extract last one octet.
}

listen
{
isakmp 192.168.20.1 [500];
}

timer
{
counter 5;  # maximum trying count to send.
interval 20 sec;# maximum interval to resend.
persend 1;  # the number of packets per a send.

phase1 30 sec;
phase2 15 sec;
}

remote anonymous
{
exchange_mode aggressive,main;
doi ipsec_doi;
situation identity_only;

my_identifier user_fqdn "[EMAIL PROTECTED]";
peers_identifier user_fqdn "[EMAIL PROTECTED]";

nonce_size 16;
lifetime time 1 min;# sec,min,hour
initial_contact on;
support_mip6 on;
proposal_check obey;# obey, strict or claim

proposal {
encryption_algorithm 3des;
hash_algorithm sha1;
authentication_method pre_shared_key ;
dh_group 2 ;
}
}

remote ::1 [8000]
{
exchange_mode aggressive,main;
doi ipsec_doi;
situation identity_only;

my_identifier user_fqdn "[EMAIL PROTECTED]";
peers_identifier user_fqdn "[EMAIL PROTECTED]";

nonce_size 16;
lifetime time 1 min;# sec,min,hour

proposal {
encryption_algorithm 3des;
hash_algorithm sha1;
authentication_method pre_shared_key ;
dh_group 2 ;
}
}

sainfo anonymous
{
pfs_group 1;
lifetime time 30 sec;
encryption_algorithm 3des ;
authentication_algorithm hmac_sha1;
compression_algorithm deflate ;
}


sainfo address ::1 icmp6 address ::1 icmp6
{
pfs_group 1;
lifetime time 60 sec;
encryption_algorithm 3des, cast128, blowfish 448, des ;
authentication_algorithm hmac_sha1, hmac_md5 ;
compression_algorithm deflate ;
}

** /usr/local/etc/racoon/racoon.conf **


** /usr/local/etc/racoon/psk.txt **

192.168.20.3
192.168.20.4

** /usr/local/etc/racoon/psk.txt **


** /etc/ipsec.conf **

flush;
spdflush;
spdadd 192.168.20.3/32 0.0.0.0/0 any -P in ipsec
esp/tunnel/192.168.20.3-192.168.20.1/use;
spdadd 0.0.0.0/0 192.168.20.3/32 any -P out ipsec
esp/tunnel/192.168.20.1-192.168.20.3/use;
spdadd 192.168.20.4/32 0.0.0.0/0 any -P in ipsec
esp/tunnel/192.168.20.4-192.168.20.1/use;
spdadd 0.0.0.0/0 192.168.20.4/32 any -P out ipsec
esp/tunnel/192.168.20.1-192.168.20.4/use;

** /etc/ipsec.conf **

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Ntop Problem

[Warren]

I have been running Ntop for the last few weeks and each time it updates the 
CPU usage screams up to 70% and basically hangs my comp untill such time as 
it has finished updating the graph
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Re: SSH-agent setting

[Lars Kristiansen]

> Hello,
>
> I set ssh-agent just fine for a session from a xterm under X.
>
>
> But what I'd like to have is once I log in to have session start from
> my .profile so that when I do "startx" every subsequent xterm
> 'inherits' the ssh-agent so that I don't have to type in the password.
>
> Is such a thing do-able ?

in ~/.xinit start your windowmanager with something like:
"/usr/bin/ssh-agent   ~/bin/startmywindowmanager"

if you are using xdm, some applications in ports can help you with
providing a password-dialog, among others "ssh_askpass_gtk2".

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>
> Thank you
>
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Re: FreeBSD on 8x AMD64

[Jacob S]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:59:59 -0800
"Richard Knott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I  would like to know if anyone has tested 5.3 release or later on a 8
> CPU AMD Opteron system?

No, but I'd be glad to give one a workout if anybody gave me one. :-)

Jacob
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Re: removing pkgdb.db, and re-generate it

[Kris Kennaway]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 03:55:41PM +0100, Christer Solskogen wrote:
> Just for the kicks of it I tried removing
> /var/db/pkgdb.db, and re-generate it by running pkgdb.
> 
> The funny thing is that the file is taking lesser space.
> (from 4.6M to 3.9M) - not that it is much, but still why?

Maybe the database gets fragmented over time from entries being
removed, or maybe it's using a different file format.

Kris




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Re: Ntop Problem

[Kris Kennaway]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 01:38:41AM +1000, Warren wrote:
> I have been running Ntop for the last few weeks and each time it updates the 
> CPU usage screams up to 70% and basically hangs my comp untill such time as 
> it has finished updating the graph

This post didn't contain a question :)

If your ntop is making your computer do too much work, run the process
less often, run it with a niceness to reduce impact on other
processes, etc.

Kris


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Re: SSH-agent setting

[Lars Kristiansen]

>> Hello,
>>
>> I set ssh-agent just fine for a session from a xterm under X.
>>
>>
>> But what I'd like to have is once I log in to have session start from
>> my .profile so that when I do "startx" every subsequent xterm
>> 'inherits' the ssh-agent so that I don't have to type in the password.
>>
>> Is such a thing do-able ?
>
> in ~/.xinit start your windowmanager with something like:
correction: i have this in the file  ~/.xsession , sorry.
> "/usr/bin/ssh-agent   ~/bin/startmywindowmanager"
>
> if you are using xdm, some applications in ports can help you with
> providing a password-dialog, among others "ssh_askpass_gtk2".
>
> --
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>
>
>>
>> Thank you
>>
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Re: Help: Kernel Error

[Kevin Kinsey]

Manu Jha wrote:
Hi, 

I am getting this message on FREEBSD /var/log/message file. Please help
me to fix the issue.
Thanks,
 

Well, at first glance, it certainly looks like one of the disks )0:2:0)
in your RAID array is developing some issues, but IANAE.  You
have checked your disks?  (Also, you have backups, right?)
Kevin Kinsey

Feb 15 08:54:37 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Unrecovered
Read Error
Feb 15 08:54:37 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed
REBUILD task: I/O error - drive 0:2:0 failed
Feb 15 08:54:37 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed
REBUILD task: I/O error - drive 0:2:0 failed
Feb 15 08:54:38 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started
REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0
Feb 15 08:54:38 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started
REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0
Feb 15 09:22:48 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Error Event
[command:0x28]
Feb 15 09:22:48 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Error Event
[command:0x28]
Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Medium Error
[k:0x3,c:0x11,q:0xb]
Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Medium Error
[k:0x3,c:0x11,q:0xb]
Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Unrecovered
Read Error
Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Unrecovered
Read Error
Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed
REBUILD task: I/O error - drive 0:2:0 failed
Feb 15 09:22:51 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed
REBUILD task: I/O error - drive 0:2:0 failed
Feb 15 09:22:52 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started
REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0
Feb 15 09:22:52 prod /kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started
REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0
 

dmesg
   

aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Error Event [command:0x28]
aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Medium Error [k:0x3,c:0x11,q:0xb]
aac0: **Monitor** ID(0:02:0); Unrecovered Read Error
aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 failed REBUILD task: I/O error - drive 0:2:0 failed
aac0: **Monitor** Container 0 started REBUILD task on drive 0:0:0
 

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Re: Ports

[Vonleigh Simmons]

Could you please give some detail about setting options for
individual ports in make.conf?  Maybe I missed something in 'man
make.conf' or 'man ports' but everything seems to refer to global
options.  The only example I've found is in man portmanager, but I'm
still a little unsure about the how to do it properly.
This example from portmanager's manual is how to do it in make.conf:
  .if ${.CURDIR:M*/local/sysutils/portmanager}
  PREFIX=/home/mike/TEMP
  .endif
  #
  .if ${.CURDIR:M*/multimedia/mplayer}
  WITH_OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS=yes WITHOUT_RUNTIME_CPUDETECTION=yes \
  WITH_GTK1=yes WITH_RTC=yes WITH_LIBUNGIF=yes WITH_ARTS=yes \
  WITH_FRIBIDI=yes WITH_CDPARANOIA=yes WITH_LIBDV=yes\
  WITH_MAD=yes WITH_SVGALIB=yes WITH_AALIB=yes WITH_THEORA=yes\
  WITH_SDL=yes WITH_ESOUND=yes WITH_VORBIS=yes WITH_XANIM=yes \
  WITH_LIVEMEDIA=yes WITH_MATROSKA=yes WITH_XVID=yes WITH_LZO=yes \
  WITH_XMMS=yes WITH_LANG=en
  .endif
	Just wanted to point this out because this is really good info. I had 
been looking for a while how to define additional make parameters for 
specific applications in make.conf, since every time I updated I had to 
recompile some programs by hand to put in the additional options I 
needed (-DMAKE_WITH... etc).

Thanks a lot.
Vonleigh Simmons

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Re: Diskless NFS mounts weirdness

[Erik Norgaard]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. /var *is* actually mounted on 
   192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/var
   but it is not listed in mount(8)s output. Why?

2. Which part of the system created /dev/md0 and mounted that
   on /var? I don't need that and would like to save some RAM
   anyway.
I guess you are using 5.3 or newer? the /etc/rc.d/diskless script has 
been replaced, by among other things, a script /etc/rc.d/var which 
creates a memory disk, /dev/md0, using up your precious ram.

I have tried to remove the script but get an error because nfs wants to 
update the /var/db/mounttab - before /var is actually mounted - so the 
mount fails.

The /etc/rc.d/var script creates a memory disk if it detects that /var 
is read-only - which is the case since the nfs mount failed. And the 
memory disk is then populated.

If the root partition is rw-mounted the nfs-mount will succeed.
If you have enough ram this is not a problem, simply let var be a memory 
disk. You can set the size of the memory disk in rc.conf.

> /dev/md0 on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates)
> 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/var on /var (nfs)
Now this is wierd - how can you have to mounts on the same mount point?
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Re: Diskless NFS mounts weirdness

[Ean Kingston]

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> 1. /var *is* actually mounted on
>>192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/var
>>but it is not listed in mount(8)s output. Why?
>>
>> 2. Which part of the system created /dev/md0 and mounted that
>>on /var? I don't need that and would like to save some RAM
>>anyway.
>
> I guess you are using 5.3 or newer? the /etc/rc.d/diskless script has
> been replaced, by among other things, a script /etc/rc.d/var which
> creates a memory disk, /dev/md0, using up your precious ram.
>
> I have tried to remove the script but get an error because nfs wants to
> update the /var/db/mounttab - before /var is actually mounted - so the
> mount fails.
>
> The /etc/rc.d/var script creates a memory disk if it detects that /var
> is read-only - which is the case since the nfs mount failed. And the
> memory disk is then populated.
>
> If the root partition is rw-mounted the nfs-mount will succeed.
>
> If you have enough ram this is not a problem, simply let var be a memory
> disk. You can set the size of the memory disk in rc.conf.
>
>  > /dev/md0 on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates)
>  > 192.168.122.1:/pool/diskless_rw/192.168.122.11/var on /var (nfs)
>
> Now this is wierd - how can you have to mounts on the same mount point?

Wierd yes, but very easy to do. A mount point is just a directory. That
directory does not have to be empty. First /dev/md0 was mounted, then the
NFS share was mounted. So, the NFS share is what is being used as /var.
This indicates poor design (or an error).


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Re: All your laptops are belong to Windows.

[Astrodog]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:40:51 +0100, Davide Lemma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm in a situation similar to you... I've just purchased a Medion SIM2000,
> it boots up but I've also some troubles with sound & modem.
> Here the strange problem is that the sound card is a AC97 ALS (SiS7012) and
> it just outputs from headphone and the modem is a SiS7013 (Intel Winmodem)
> that isn't  in the ports tree (while there is the LT winmodem).
> For the Video Card with some trick I was able to get a full 16:9 resolution
> like in windows but without DRI (this is an Xorg problem).
> Above all I'm almost surprised because I know the difficulty to work with a
> laptop & unix.
> I've tried Fedora Core 3 & Debian III but it gives me an error during boot
> (acpi error).
> So like a BSD users I feel above all lucky enough.
> The only suggestion I feel to give you is to wait the awake of 6.0 because
> it will have many changes in ACPI calls. I'm waiting too to have some tricks
> about my sound card :)
> 
> bye Davide
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "bsdnooby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:32 AM
> Subject: All your laptops are belong to Windows.
> 
> >
> > I'm defeated.  The FreeBSD install gives no hints as to why it turns off
> > my laptop.
> >
> > When I try to install FreeBSD, my brand new I'm blue.HP Pavilion laptop
> > turns itself off.  It does not matter if I use 4.x or 5.x, CD or floppies.
> > There is no error log since it just shuts off after I choose to load a
> > kernel.  I have tried loading with ACPI off, and it does not help.  I
> > believe I tried all the kernel options available from the menu on 5.x.
> >
> > The computer is a HP Pavilion zv5445us, with 512MB RAM, P4-3Ghz, 100GB HD,
> > 15.4" Hi-Def Screen, 54G 802.11b WLAN.  I purchased it from Best Buy.
> >
> > Under Windows, it appears Hyper-Threading is turned on, and I have not
> > found a way to turn it off inside the CMOS.
> >
> > The machine runs Windows XP Pro fine, but I am trying to switch to FreeBSD
> > on all my boxen.  I was really surprised to find this one abruptly
> > shutdown when trying to do the install.  It turns off before the install
> > really starts, so I do not have much information to solve this problem.
> > The HD is never touched.
> >
> > I'm blue.
> >
> >
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SCSI Problem

[Muharrem Beyaz]

Hello There;

I have a problem my freebsd box my server sometimes rebooting and booting 
normally i get a dmesg and messeges output. I searching this error on the web 
and asking my server installer person "tagging queue" must will be disabled 
when this error.

Thank you


Freebsd box
--
postmaster:/var/log#uname -a
FreeBSD postmaster.egecom.net 4.9-STABLE FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE #0: Thu Jan  8 
18:41:42 EET 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/POSTMASTER  i386


dmesg out

postmaster:/var/log#dmesg | grep ahc
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 47 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 46 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 52 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 30 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 35 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no comm41 32 34 36 21 24 18 7 9 8 13 0 15 26 25 27 11 3 14 17 19 
1 5 16 2 4 65 156 157 158 159 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 130 131 
132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 110 111 
112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 100 101 55 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 68 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 39 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 33 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 49 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 31 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 54 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 44 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 50 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 40 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 37 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 29 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 43 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 57 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 20 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 67 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 51 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 23 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 12 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 47 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 46 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 52 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 30 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 55 (cmdcmplt)
ahc0:A:1: no active SCB for reconnecting target - issuing BUS DEVICE RESET
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Queuing a BDR SCB
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Bus Device Reset Message Sent
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): no longer in timeout, status = 34c
ahc0: Bus Device Reset on A:1. 27 SCBs aborted
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): SCB 0x33 - timex0, limit 0xf, type 0x1b
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Queuing a BDR SCB
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Bus Device Reset Message Sent
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): no longer in timeout, status = 34c
ahc0: Bus Device Reset on A:1. 27 SCBs aborted
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): SCB 0x30 - timed out
ahc0: Dumping Card State while idle, at SEQADDR 0x7
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Queuing a BDR SCB
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Bus Device Reset Message Sent
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): no longer in timeout, status = 34c
ahc0: Bus Device Reset on A:1. 27 SCBs aborted
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): SCB 0x43 - timed out
ahc0: Dumping Card State while idle, at SEQADDR 0x8
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Queuing a BDR SCB
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Bus Device Reset Message Sent
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): no longer in timeout, status = 34c
ahc0: Bus Device Reset on A:1. 27 SCBs aborted
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): SCB 0x14 - timed out
ahc0: Dumping Card State while idle, at SEQADDR 0x8
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Queuing a BDR SCB
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): Bus Device Reset Message Sent
(da0:ahc0:0:1:0): no longer in timeout, status = 34c
ahc0: Bus Device Reset on A:1. 27 SCBs aborted
ahc0:  port 0xee00-0xeeff mem 
0xdbc0-0xdbc00fff irq 10 at device 12.0 on pci0
da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0


messages out
--
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 49 SCB_CONTROL[0x6c] SCB_SCSIID[0x17] 
SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 33 SCB_CONTROL[0x6c] SCB_SCSIID[0x17] 
SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 39 SCB_CONTROL[0x6c] SCB_SCSIID[0x17] 
SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 68 SCB_CONTROL[0x6c] SCB_SCSIID[0x17] 
SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 58 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] SCB_SCSIID[0x17] 
SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 55 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] SCB_SCSIID[0x17] 
SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 35 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] SCB_SCSIID[0x17] 
SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 30 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] SCB_SCSIID[0x17] 
SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 52 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] SCB_SCSIID[0x17] 
SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 46 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] SCB_SCSIID[0x17] 
SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 47 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] SCB_SCSIID[0x17] 
SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 12 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] SCB_SCSIID[0x17] 
SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 23 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] SCB_SCSIID[0x17] 
SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 59 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] SCB_SCSIID[0x17] 
SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15 18:03:39 postmaster /kernel: 22 SCB_CONTROL[0x68] SCB_SCSIID[0x17] 
SCB_LUN[0x0]
Feb 15

Re: SSH-agent setting

[kilim]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 04:56:43PM +0100, Lars Kristiansen wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I set ssh-agent just fine for a session from a xterm under X.
> >>
> >>
> >> But what I'd like to have is once I log in to have session start from
> >> my .profile so that when I do "startx" every subsequent xterm
> >> 'inherits' the ssh-agent so that I don't have to type in the password.
> >>
> >> Is such a thing do-able ?
> >
> > in ~/.xinit start your windowmanager with something like:
> correction: i have this in the file  ~/.xsession , sorry.
> > "/usr/bin/ssh-agent   ~/bin/startmywindowmanager"

Thanks Lars !

I'm doing something like this, in my .xinitrc, as I start the X
from the command line using 'startx':

/usr/bin/ssh-agent "/usr/X11R6/bin/wmaker"

Then in the xterm I just type ssh-add and every consecutive xterm
can use ssh without prompting for the password.





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Wireless PCMIA problems

[Lars Hederidder]

Hey,

I have a 3Com 3CRSHPW_96 Wireless PCMIA card for my laptop.
However I'm a newbie at using PCMIA cards on FreeBSD.

BSD finds the card when I plug it in, but it doesn't show up when
I use the ifconfig command.

Can anyone help me with this problem, so I can get it up and running.
The system is a fresh installed FreeBSD 5.3

Thanks in advance
Lars
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Re: SSH-agent setting

[Clayton Scott Kern]

Why not use keychain and put it in the appropriate rc file (.bashrc, cshrc, 
etc.), then you'll be connected to the agent automatically.

on 02-15-2005, kilim wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 04:56:43PM +0100, Lars Kristiansen wrote:
> > >> Hello,
> > >>
> > >> I set ssh-agent just fine for a session from a xterm under X.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> But what I'd like to have is once I log in to have session start from
> > >> my .profile so that when I do "startx" every subsequent xterm
> > >> 'inherits' the ssh-agent so that I don't have to type in the password.
> > >>
> > >> Is such a thing do-able ?
> > >
> > > in ~/.xinit start your windowmanager with something like:
> > correction: i have this in the file  ~/.xsession , sorry.
> > > "/usr/bin/ssh-agent   ~/bin/startmywindowmanager"
> 
> Thanks Lars !
> 
> I'm doing something like this, in my .xinitrc, as I start the X
> from the command line using 'startx':
> 
> /usr/bin/ssh-agent "/usr/X11R6/bin/wmaker"
> 
> Then in the xterm I just type ssh-add and every consecutive xterm
> can use ssh without prompting for the password.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Configure X Server

[Peterhin]

I have just installed Freebsd 5.3 using a standard install, with all 
packages, and ports.

When I go to Configure X (as per the handbook 2.9.12) using  "Configure"  
Do post-install configuration of Freebsd, in the Configuration menu 
there is no sub menu "XFree86"

Where did I go wrong.?
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freebsd questions not ending up in mailing.freebsd.questions

[John Jarvis]

Hello,

Since 12th of Feb no postings to freebsd-questions
have ended up in mailing.freebsd.questions on usenet.
Is anyone aware of this and why?

Cheers,
Jarv.





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ping question

[ann kok]

Hi Loren

Thank you for your mail again

For the monitor sofeware iptraf , I can't get it in
the port. Why freebsd doesn't support it!
I tried to install in freebsd from the tarball and got
an error messages!

I need sth to prove the traffic to those routers from
outside. 

Do you have experience the max traffic freebsd can
support? It seems to support max 230M only!

Thank you


--- "Loren M. Lang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 11:21:03AM -0800, ann kok
> wrote:
> > Hi all
> > 
> > Thank you very much for your help
> > 
> > The freebsd router is behind the cisco router.
> > 
> > Do you have any experience to determine the
> traffic is
> > in freebsd and cisco from outside?
> > 
> > Can traceroute give figure to prove it?
> 
> I'm not quite sure if I understand what you're
> asking, but if you want
> to see what traffic is going into/out of/through
> them, tcpdump is a good
> command-line based packet sniffer and ethereal is
> it's gui cousin.  You
> can even use tcpdump to capture data and later view
> it on a different
> computer with ethereal.  iptraf will show you
> general usage of the
> traffic crossing your router.  If your asking to see
> what path the
> traffic is taking from point A to point B, then
> traceroute is your best
> friend.
> 
> > 
> > Please help
> > 
> > Thank you again
> > 
> > --- "Loren M. Lang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 08:50:32AM -0800, ann
> kok
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi all
> > > > 
> > > > I ping from redhat to cisco router and freebsd
> > > router
> > > > but I don't understand ttl (time to live)
> > > > 
> > > > Cisco router has ttl=251 and freebsd router
> has 58
> > > > Does it set by the router itself?
> > > > Can I change it in freebsd?
> > > 
> > > FreeBSD's default ttl, I believe, is 64, Cisco's
> is
> > > probably 255.  As
> > > long as the number of hops neccessary to get to
> a
> > > certain computer is
> > > never more than 64, there's nothing wrong with
> it. 
> > > The highest I've
> > > seen is about 30 and the Internet is going to
> have
> > > to grow a bit, I
> > > think, before it's an issue.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you
> > > > 
> > > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1151
> ttl=251
> > > > time=100 ms
> > > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1152
> ttl=251
> > > > time=103 ms
> > > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1153
> ttl=251
> > > > time=104 ms
> > > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1154
> ttl=251
> > > > time=106 ms
> > > > 
> > > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1182
> ttl=58
> > > > time=105 ms
> > > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1183
> ttl=58
> > > > time=105 ms
> > > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1184
> ttl=58
> > > > time=104 ms
> > > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1185
> ttl=58
> > > > time=108 ms
> > > > 
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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Anthony Atkielski]

Ted Mittelstaedt writes:

> In short, there's no way to know how an incorrectly written
> HTML page will display on IE.

The solution is to not write HTML incorrectly.  That's what HTML
validators are for.  No browser has any obligation to behave in any
particular predetermined way in the face of bad HTML.

> As a result of this, people that create web pages (and I am NOT
> polluting the title 'web designer' by lumping every moron that writes
> a web page into that group) and only look at them with IE usually end
> up making lots of mistakes. They fix these by layering on even more
> bandaids and mistakes until they get something somewhat resembling
> what they are after. Is is of course only displayable in IE. Needless
> to say this is a VERY bad thing for the Internet because it undercuts
> the standards as it enables the proliferation of websites that don't
> follow them.

These Web sites harm no one except themselves.  Webmasters are sovereign
over their sites and I think they should be allowed to write anything
they want.  If I don't like the way their site does or does not display
in my browser, I'll leave the site.  I already do that routinely for any
site that contains Flash animation.

> That depends on your definition of "best"

It is likely to display most pages in a correct way.  I've been testing
Opera, Firefox, and MSIE side by side, and right now it's between
Firefox and MSIE.  Opera is already out of the running.

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Re: Wireless PCMIA problems

[Andrew L. Gould]

On Tuesday 15 February 2005 10:40 am, Lars Hederidder wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I have a 3Com 3CRSHPW_96 Wireless PCMIA card for my laptop.
> However I'm a newbie at using PCMIA cards on FreeBSD.
>
> BSD finds the card when I plug it in, but it doesn't show up when
> I use the ifconfig command.
>
> Can anyone help me with this problem, so I can get it up and running.
> The system is a fresh installed FreeBSD 5.3
>
> Thanks in advance
> Lars

When you say FreeBSD "sees" the card, do you mean it is associated with 
a device, or just that the card's name appears in dmesg?

It would appear, from the email message link below, that this card 
requires the use of it's Windows drivers.

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/2004-September/004804.html

Follow the link below to the online handbook's chapter on wireless 
networking.  Read the whole chapter; but pay particular attention to 
section 25.3.3.6.3, toward the bottom, regarding the NDISulator.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-wireless.html

Best of luck,

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Re: Configure X Server

[Andrew L. Gould]

On Tuesday 15 February 2005 10:55 am, Peterhin wrote:
> I have just installed Freebsd 5.3 using a standard install, with all
> packages, and ports.
>
> When I go to Configure X (as per the handbook 2.9.12) using 
> "Configure" Do post-install configuration of Freebsd, in the
> Configuration menu there is no sub menu "XFree86"
>
> Where did I go wrong.?

Use Chapter 5.4 instead:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html

I have always had an easier time configuring X separately from the 
installation process.

Best of luck,

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login error:cannot not find root directory

[perikillo]

  Hi all.
  Look i was hardering my freebsd box 4.10 p5, but i made one mistake:
"I didnt test my system before i reboot"

  I was reading some docs about "security", i use chflags on:

  mistake# chflags schg /bin/*
  mistake# chflags schg /sbin/*

  Them apply some chmod on /root files:

   mistake# chmod 0600 /root/.*  (i think :-?)

  I was trying to make my root directory only visible by root user.
But dont remenber wich mod i apply. I made more changes but dont
remember all.

The result was that went i try to access my box like normal user
(wheel group), the systema say:
  "error: cannot find root directory"

   Them i boot single-user, i input my password:
  
 "init: single-user failed"

Here i could not access my system, my God

 
  Ok, them get my 3 floppys, kern, mfs, and fixit .flp. I mount / to
access  my system:

   -delete the schg label on /bin and /sbin
mistake#chflags noschg /bin/*
mistake#chflags noschg /sbin/*

 On the root directory, i change my .files attr:

mistake# chmod 0644 /root/.*

I change my ttys, to let root access the system: from insecure -> secure.

I was checking other system with the same version 4.10 p5, and let
the files attributes on /root and / with the same attributes.

 I dont touch the /kernel file, after this change root could
access the system, but the other users dont have access:

"error: cannot find root directory".

 This is my situation right now, could some one give some clues to
resolve this problem,  i dont want to install again the S.O, this
machine i working very well.

   I will apreciate any  clue. Thanks all for your time.
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Re: SSH-agent setting

[kilim]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 11:51:41AM -0500, Clayton Scott Kern wrote:

> on 02-15-2005, kilim wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 04:56:43PM +0100, Lars Kristiansen wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I set ssh-agent just fine for a session from a xterm under X.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> But what I'd like to have is once I log in to have session start from
> > > >> my .profile so that when I do "startx" every subsequent xterm
> > > >> 'inherits' the ssh-agent so that I don't have to type in the password.
> > > >>
> > > >> Is such a thing do-able ?
> > > >
> > > > in ~/.xinit start your windowmanager with something like:
> > > correction: i have this in the file  ~/.xsession , sorry.
> > > > "/usr/bin/ssh-agent   ~/bin/startmywindowmanager"
> > 
> > I'm doing something like this, in my .xinitrc, as I start the X
> > from the command line using 'startx':
> > 
> > /usr/bin/ssh-agent "/usr/X11R6/bin/wmaker"
> > 
> > Then in the xterm I just type ssh-add and every consecutive xterm
> > can use ssh without prompting for the password.
>
> Why not use keychain and put it in the appropriate rc file (.bashrc,
> cshrc, etc.), then you'll be connected to the agent automatically.

You top posted. Anyways.

Because if I have ssh-agent in .profile everytime I start an xterm
I'll have another ssh-agent starting. Then for each and every one of
them I'll have to run "ssh-add" and type in the pass pharase. Which
completely defeats the whole point.

But thanks for trying anyways.


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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Freebsd9999]

In a message dated 2/12/2005 2:41:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, darren kirby 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>quoth the David Kelly:
>
>> Look closely at the Linux community and you'll find its mostly
>> ex-Windows users focused on what Microsoft is doing. The desire is to
>> one-up Microsoft at Microsoft's own game. Their definition of
>> "computer" and "human interface" was written by Microsoft and still
>> can't think outside of that box.
>
>I think your interpretation here is a tad glib. Sure there are thousands of
>people coming to Linux because they 'hate' MS. Sure they don't know gcc from
>ppc but I don't think it is fair to call them the 'community', rather a small
>subset. Do you think these people are writing any software? Are they
>designing programming interfaces? Do they have a damn thing to do with the
>development of Linux or any of its supporting software? Hell no. They are
>just users clogging up the message boards and mailing lists with stupid
>questions. "Human Interface"? Am I missing something? Can you please tell me
>where the much superior FreeBSD human interface can be downloaded? In the
>console they are pretty much the same keystroke for keystroke, and on the
>desktop it is all the same software...
>
>I run FreeBSD and Linux, and I love them both. I am trying to point out that
>when you slam Linux developers with pettiness and name calling that you are
>no better than all the lusers slamming MS, and thinking they're leet because
>they installed Fedora? I have noticed a lot of this on FreeBSD lists, and I
>think it is counterproductive because it is unprofessional and in the end
>more people using Linux means more people running free software which
>benefits _all_ of us...and besides, it is offensive to people like me that
>just like playing with 'nix boxes and run both.
>
>Why can't you just run your FreeBSD and feel superior, silently?
>
>> Look closely at the BSD community and you'll find those who are working
>> at creating a better tool to serve their needs. Much debate about
>> exactly what constitutes "better" so there is also quite a bit of
>> experimenting. What you won't find is Microsoft as the yardstick by
>> which BSD's measure.

I think you are all just plain off the mark. People use what they
use because it suits their needs best. If you can't program then 
source code is useless, and if you don't know much about networking
you might not be able to get linux or any unix to work at all. You
don't generally hear secretaries whining about not having source;
they just want the thing to work.

In all walks of life, people choose what suits them best. Just 
because someone is a republican doesn't mean he's a right-wing
anti-abortionist. It just means that it suits him better than 
the other choices. I suspect the same goes for your choice of
an O/S. 
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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Steve Tremblett]

On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 17:58 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote:

[snip]

Please copy this down and put it on a sticky note on your monitor:

PLEASE SHUT UP ANTHONY.


Do you find it strange that you get so much flack in pseudo-technical
discussions?  Your understanding of the technology and the issues
surrounding it are horrendously amateur.  Please dump your subscription
to PC World.

Subscribers of freebsd mailing lists, please simply plonk him and move
on.  He will not concede when proved wrong and insists on the last word.
Google him - I found him arguing friggin breastfeeding with female
pediatricians!!

Don't feed the trolls.





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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Freebsd9999]

In a message dated 2/12/2005 2:41:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, darren kirby 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>quoth the David Kelly:
>
>> Look closely at the Linux community and you'll find its mostly
>> ex-Windows users focused on what Microsoft is doing. The desire is to
>> one-up Microsoft at Microsoft's own game. Their definition of
>> "computer" and "human interface" was written by Microsoft and still
>> can't think outside of that box.
>
>I think your interpretation here is a tad glib. Sure there are thousands of
>people coming to Linux because they 'hate' MS. Sure they don't know gcc from
>ppc but I don't think it is fair to call them the 'community', rather a small
>subset. Do you think these people are writing any software? Are they
>designing programming interfaces? Do they have a damn thing to do with the
>development of Linux or any of its supporting software? Hell no. They are
>just users clogging up the message boards and mailing lists with stupid
>questions. "Human Interface"? Am I missing something? Can you please tell me
>where the much superior FreeBSD human interface can be downloaded? In the
>console they are pretty much the same keystroke for keystroke, and on the
>desktop it is all the same software...
>
>I run FreeBSD and Linux, and I love them both. I am trying to point out that
>when you slam Linux developers with pettiness and name calling that you are
>no better than all the lusers slamming MS, and thinking they're leet because
>they installed Fedora? I have noticed a lot of this on FreeBSD lists, and I
>think it is counterproductive because it is unprofessional and in the end
>more people using Linux means more people running free software which
>benefits _all_ of us...and besides, it is offensive to people like me that
>just like playing with 'nix boxes and run both.
>
>Why can't you just run your FreeBSD and feel superior, silently?
>
>> Look closely at the BSD community and you'll find those who are working
>> at creating a better tool to serve their needs. Much debate about
>> exactly what constitutes "better" so there is also quite a bit of
>> experimenting. What you won't find is Microsoft as the yardstick by
>> which BSD's measure.

I think you are all just plain off the mark. People use what they
use because it suits their needs best. If you can't program then 
source code is useless, and if you don't know much about networking
you might not be able to get linux or any unix to work at all. You
don't generally hear secretaries whining about not having source;
they just want the thing to work.

In all walks of life, people choose what suits them best. Just 
because someone is a republican doesn't mean he's a right-wing
anti-abortionist. It just means that it suits him better than 
the other choices. I suspect the same goes for your choice of
an O/S. 
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Re: SSH-agent setting

[kilim]

> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 11:51:41AM -0500, Clayton Scott Kern wrote:
> >
> > Why not use keychain and put it in the appropriate rc file (.bashrc,
> > cshrc, etc.), then you'll be connected to the agent automatically.

My bad. 

Please disregard my previous email.

I apologise !

Your suggestion is great. 

What I didn't realise is that keychain is a great tool which resides
in /usr/ports/security/keychain and it does this:

"allowing you to easily have one long-running ssh-agent process per
system, rather than per login session."

as its web site states:

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/keychain/index.xml


Thank you Clayton !

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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Anthony Atkielski]

Ted Mittelstaedt writes:

> Many wordprocessors write in Microsoft Word format these days.

Currently I use Quark XPress instead of Word, as Word is too bloated and
too uncontrollable, and does not produce output suitable for
professional printing.

> That is what AW used to layout my book, as a matter of fact.  It's
> currently the defacto standard in the publishing industry because
> they can go directly from it to a printing press.

Yes, that's why I like it.

> But it is rediculously expensive at $1,045.00 SRP.

That's cheap. In Europe, it sells for about €2500, and it requires a
dongle. But it is likely to disappear slowly in the future, as it is
overpriced and is taking a beating from the steadily rising InDesign.
Unfortunately, Adobe isn't much better than Quark in its attitude, and
that will only get worse.

> IMHO this is self-defeating.  Very few book authors would spend this
> for writing software, and the publishers (like AW) spend millions a
> year in retyping costs to take manuscripts from printouts and such
> to stick them into Quark.  Quark is really vulnerable from being
> disloged from this monopoly.

It is indeed vulnerable, and the battle has already begun.  Quark
severely abused its dominant position (such as with the price gouging
mentioned above), and now nobody wants to buy its more recent versions,
leaving it with a dwindling revenue stream.  Adobe is attacking with
InDesign, with increasing success.  It may going out of the frying pan
and into the fire with InDesign, though.

> I can see that Quark is already starting to fight a rearguard action
> as they are dumping copies of it at the educational price into the
> academic market, now. (where a lot of books originate)

Too little, too late, IMO.

> You should at least check out Scribus http://www.scribus.org.uk/
> This is an open source project that is aiming to replace Quark
> There has already been one book published with it.  While perhaps
> you might not be able to use it now, give it another 5 years and
> it might do it.  I would have probably used this for writing mine
> if it had been available then.

DTP programs are unusual in that they need only be able to write clean
PostScript to succeed.  The native file formats are relatively
unimportant.  I was able to move from PageMaker to Quark with relatively
minimal fuss, for example, as they both produce clean PostScript as
output.

> YOU personally might not.  But you were originally arguing that
> FreeBSD was unsuitable for a desktop OS.  Now I see this is subtly
> changing, you are now only arguing that FreeBSD is unsuitable for
> YOUR desktop OS.

No, I'm still arguing that it is generally unsuitable for the desktop.

When my mom and dad can run FreeBSD with the same ease and advantages
that they can for Windows, I will know that FreeBSD is suitable for the
desktop.

> Now, most people aren't going to be using Winterms but the point is
> that people have wildly varying needs, and many of them could in
> fact use FreeBSD successfully as a desktop OS.

FreeBSD could be used as an OS on the desktop under certain conditions,
but a "native" FreeBSD desktop might not look anything like Windows.

For example, the FreeBSD console itself is in fact a desktop, it just
doesn't look like anything that lovers and haters of Windows would want.

> Tell that to Microsoft then.

I've tried.  In fact, I tried this very day, without much success.

> The new versions of Word, Excel, etc ARE ANOTHER PROGRAMS the training
> required to bring most of the office users up to speed on them is
> considerable.

An increasing number of sites just don't bother to upgrade at all.  I
haven't upgraded Office since 1997.  And even the 1997 version still
does more than I want or need, but that was the current version when I
bought it.

> I know this from experience I used to work as a sysadmin for a number
> of years and worked at several companies. I always hated when
> Microsoft brought out new versions of software because users would
> pester me with support questions for MONTHS after updating them. The
> worse offenders in fact were usually the same people who were the
> biggest pushers to get updated.

They are probably people who really weren't doing much with their PCs.
People who have time to worry about and pine after updates are usually
wasting their machines.  People who have to do real work never are
interested in updating anything unless the update is required to allow
them to do something essential that they cannot currently do.

> And the few times I tried telling the user's supervisors to tell them
> to go get training, I was rebuffed with the "that's what we are paying
> you for" line.

The job of a sysadmin is a thankless one.  Hopefully they got the idiot
they deserved after you left.

> So, don't give me the bullcrap about people wanting to stay with what
> they know.  They don't.

They do if they are doing serious work.  But if you have a lot of
goof-offs who spend their days just play

Re: Specify location of port install?

[Michael C. Shultz]

On Tuesday 15 February 2005 06:20 am, S Salamander wrote:
> I have a situation where I need both gpgme03 and gpgme installed.
> However, both install their includes and other files in very similar
> locations and another program I'm installing can't find the needed
> gpgme03 files.
>
> I don't believe anything else I have installed depends on gpgme03, so
> I was wondering if there was a way when installing it again I could
> specify the install directory such that I could point other apps I'm
> installing to it more directly (I think their finding the gpgme files
> when they need the gpgme03 files).
>
> Is this possible?
>
> Thanks.

If the port is prefix compliant you should be able to do

make PREFIX=/alternate base dir/

Then watch out for libraries the port installs, because
they will end up in /alternate base dir/lib.  When that happens
run ldconfig -m /alternate base dir/lib, add /alternate base dir/bin
to your path and everything should be set.

-Mike
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Re: Mail Server

[Kevin Kinsey]

Warren wrote:
How do i go about setting up a mail server on my gateway machine to collect 
and store all email locally from the outside world etc ?
 


That depends highly on how your clarify your question.  You
should certainly be reading a lot.
See the Handbook, chapter 22, for a thorough discussion
of many aspects of electronic mail.
One specific example.  I use fetchmail, from the Ports
Collection, to grab email for the whole family onto
my FreeBSD gateway/firewall at home.  It polls their
ISP mail accounts every 10 minutes.
This computer also runs a POP server, only accessible
from the LAN, and the family member's computers grab
their mail from it with whatever client they prefer.
It gives the appearance of a high-speed connection
for POP transactions, when it's really on a low b/w line.
There is a lot to learn, though, to attempt to run
most MTA's.  Unless you've got good reasons (like
you are doing this for rdksupportinc.com, your job,
etc.), I wouldn't advise running an SMTP server.
If you are the "sys admin" or "postmaster" for a domain,
give the Handbook a thorough read, as well as Googling
for documentation, checking your vendors' site (Sendmail
is the default FreeBSD MTA, see www.sendmail.org)
PostFix and Exim are two other frequently mentioned
MTAs.  FreeBSD's mail servers now run PostFix.  Their
site is www.postfix.org.
My $.02,
Kevin Kinsey
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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Anthony Atkielski]

Ted Mittelstaedt writes:

> I initially ran a pirated copy of DOS on it (remember, at that time
> MS wasn't selling DOS retail) but shortly after I got it up I switched
> over to...drumroll
>
> Minix.

Ah, but anything even remotely similar to UNIX would have been superior
to MS-DOS, so that move would make perfect sense.  The situation is
different today.

At times that I've only had one computer, it has always been a MS-DOS
(in the olde days) or Windows computer.  I was tempted to try OS/2 once,
but OS/2 wasn't around long enough for me to change my mind, and it
wasn't free.  I recall using CP/M very briefly, long ago.

I like FreeBSD because it gives me something nice to run as a server.
Windows is too expensive and too bloated for server use.  My oldest
machine does indeed run Windows NT Server 4.0 (as a PDC, no less), but I
never actually used it in a server capacity--I was just trying to
foresee the unforeseeable.  By the time I actually needed a server of my
own, I had discovered FreeBSD.

-- 
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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Anthony Atkielski]

Bart Silverstrim writes:

> "It's not part of the OS!"
>
> Fine.  Will MS let me buy just the kernel?

No, but you don't have to buy or install most of the drivers.  If you
run with only required default drivers, the system will be stable.

> Extend it a little more, even MS argued that Internet Explorer was part
> of the operating system and could not be unbundled.  For their product
> definition, it was part of the OS.  Technically, it was not.  
> Practically, it was.

They tried very hard to make it part of the OS, which was a serious
mistake, but they were very taken with the whole idea of web-everything
at the time.

-- 
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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Anthony Atkielski]

Bart Silverstrim writes:

> "They" were an outside team that worked on VMS.  "They" started NT
> before Windows became a marketing drone's dream.  The Windows subsystem
> became the default subsystem after Windows 3.x took off.  Originally it
> wasn't going to have a GUI.

Oh well ... it's a bit late to dream about what could have been.

As I recall, this is what caused Microsoft and IBM to part ways.  IBM
was to collaborate on the NT project.  But IBM wanted a CLI, like DOS or
OS/2, whereas Microsoft insisted that a GUI was the wave of the future
on the desktop.  As it turned out, Microsoft was right.

> Three of ours are sitting right behind me.

Unless you have eyes in the back of your head, then, you aren't looking
at their screens.

I have my FreeBSD server running right next to me.  The console always
has top running, just to give me an idea of what the server is doing.
Sometimes I just turn the monitor off.  If I need to talk to the
machine, I start a ssh session from my Windows desktop.  I often have
one or more ssh and sftp sessions open.

> They have GUIs because they thought it was easier to market.  They have
> GUIs because they're easier for novices to use as servers.  They have 
> GUIs because MS started trying to market "servers" to the workgroup and
> not corporate markets.  They have GUIs because NT was a new kid on the
> block, people were familiar with Windows, and they were able to help 
> marketing-wise slip some sales in because it was a lower learning 
> curve.  They have GUIs because believe it or not, sometimes you don't 
> need the strict definition of a "Server" in order to serve files to a 
> couple other computers in your home network and that "Server" can, in 
> fact, do double duty.

Right.

> That's two criticisms, and at this point, I really think most people
> don't give a rat's behind about the GUI in a server, since the OS 
> should be paging out unused pages to swap if the server settles down.

The GUI still requires destabilizing code in the kernel.  It still takes
up space and resources.  And, worst of all, on a GUI-oriented server
like Windows, you cannot administer the machine without using the GUI.

> Remote administration sucks, yes I'd agree.  You have to jump through
> hoops to find decent tools for reigning in Windows in many situations.

As far as I know, only a tiny fraction of all necessary administration
functions for Windows have ever been provided for in CLI interfaces.
Most of the time, you _must_ point and click.

> That surely explains their sales of XServes and RAID servers.

They're off the radar for servers.  The only people who install Apple
servers are people who are already in love with Apple desktops.  They're
kind of the inverse of people who fall in love with server operating
systems and then insist on forcing them onto the desktop as well.

> Don't want the GUI, then install Darwin.  Want GUI and remote
> admin/monitoring tools, use OS X Server.  Don't log into it, and it'll
> swap out most of the "GUI" stuff to disk.

Why not just install FreeBSD?

> They most certainly profit from MCSEs.

Yes, by training and certifying them.  But after that, they're on their
own, and out of Microsoft's revenue stream.

-- 
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Re: Script Questions

[Chris Sechiatano]

Hi Giorgos,

This seems to work.

# slocate -i -d /tmp/04vfile001_db '.wmv' |\
  perl -ne 'chomp; print "$_\0";' |\
  xargs -0 ls -ldh

Thanks for the help.  I really appreciate it!


On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 03:57:07AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> So, what you really want to use is:
> 
> # slocate -i -d /tmp/04vfile001_db '.wmv$' |\
>   perl -ne 'chomp; print "$_\0";' |\
>   xargs -0 ls -l
> 
> See if that works better, please.  If not, mail me again.
> 
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Re: Firefox, java, plugins - need to go back to the port?

[John]

On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 08:30:55PM -0600, John wrote:
> I installed firefox from the packages, and now that it seems
> like I may have Java installed, I'd like to get the two to play
> together.
> 
> I see a few different firefox plugins in /usr/ports/www, but no
> java, and I don't see any references to firefox or plugs in
> /usr/ports/java - clearly, I'm missing a piece of the puzzle.
> 
> All my hits on google have talked about rebuilding the port
> after Java is installed.  Is that what I have to do?  Is there
> no way to get a java plugin without rebuilding the whole port?

No-one have an anwer or a pointer for me? Is it necessary to install
the JDK (or JRE if we ever get one again) and then build firefox from
ports to get the Java plug-in?
-- 

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Re: Firefox, java, plugins - need to go back to the port?

[Kent Stewart]

On Tuesday 15 February 2005 10:03 am, John wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 08:30:55PM -0600, John wrote:
> > I installed firefox from the packages, and now that it seems
> > like I may have Java installed, I'd like to get the two to play
> > together.
> >
> > I see a few different firefox plugins in /usr/ports/www, but no
> > java, and I don't see any references to firefox or plugs in
> > /usr/ports/java - clearly, I'm missing a piece of the puzzle.
> >
> > All my hits on google have talked about rebuilding the port
> > after Java is installed.  Is that what I have to do?  Is there
> > no way to get a java plugin without rebuilding the whole port?
>
> No-one have an anwer or a pointer for me? Is it necessary to install
> the JDK (or JRE if we ever get one again) and then build firefox from
> ports to get the Java plug-in?

That isn't where you look from my experience. I have
/usr/local/jdk1.4.2/bin/java
and it changes with the version. That is what I add in mozilla.

Kent

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Richland, WA

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