RE: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry
> McAllister
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:53 AM
> To: "Marco Greene (ML)"
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt
>
>
> Well, by now we are gleefully off topic for this list, so...
>

Why not! ;-)

>
> The USA system attempts/purports to _protect_ the minorities.  This
> exists because supposedly the system tries to protect everyone, not
> specifically the minorities.  It is only an artifact that sometimes
> minorities find themselves able to use the system to influence some
> outcome.  They do not seize control.   They wield whatever
> poser/influence
> they can muster, but they do not seize control.
>

What control exists, they do seize.  Certainly, much of the actual
control
of the US system resides lower down in the food chain among the
professional
bureaucrats who survive administration after administration, regardless
of
who happens to be at the top.  But, there still is a lot of real power at
the top, and the people at the top are also able to make decisions that
have
implications that stretch far, far beyond their own brief period in
power.

As for example the decision to invade Iraq.  Long after the Republicans
are
out of power, the US is still going to be involved there.  Because by
that
time there will have been such a great loss of American life that even
the strongest Democrat will not be able to pull out, because the hawks
will claim that if he does he's throwing away everything that that large
number of soldiers have given their lives for, and nobody will be able to
survive that kind of criticism.

As a result we will have permanent military bases there.  And as a result
we will have to keep going back in there year after year whenever the
population there (who really does not want bases) manages to get a strong
enough government in place that can threaten those bases existence.  And
also, Saudi Arabia wants us in there because that way we will control oil
production, and thus not destroy OPEC's power.  Iraq is the only country
in the world that has the oil reserves large enough to destroy OPEC if
they wished, and OPEC is Saudi Arabia's child.  And independent Iraq with
it's own government has always been a threat to OPEC and now that is
gone.

And because of all of this, our Energy policy has been permanently
altered
to be oil-based.  We will never be able to return to conservation, solar,
geothermal and so on.  The dial has been stuck on Oil and will remain
there
until all oil reserves in Saudia Arabia and Iraq have been completely
tapped
out.  And because of that, American soldiers will continue to die over
there
until that happens in maybe a century or so.  And this is -exactly- what
the ultraconservatives want.  They wanted a US that is the world's
policeman
with an economy that supports a tremendous military-industrial complex,
and that is what they got.

> Next, it was not exactly a failure.   The use of alcohol went down
> very significantly.
>

We don't really have any way of knowing that because none of this
stuff was tracked, as it was illegal.  And you might consider too that
a still isn't practical in a densely populated area, it is likely
that out West where the population density was much lower, that
they were far more common than anyone would believe.

> Sure, each 'ultra' group contains the seeds/tools of its own
> destruction.

No, not true.  The Amish for example are definitely an off-the-bend
"ultra"
group, but they have a consistent internal philosophy, and the way they
apply their philosophy is non hypocritical, thus they survive.  The
Quakers,
the super-Mormons, even the survivalists, there are many of these
out-in-left-field
groups that are non-hypocritical in the application end.  As a result
they
don't carry the seeds of their own destruction.  Rather, there are other
reasons that they can never grow beyond a small minority.

There's plenty of stuff that you can fault the ultraliberals for,
(stupidity,
no common sense) but hypocrisy is not one of them.  That particular
problem
is a speciality of the ultraconservatives.

> So, lets leave this topic at that.   Either the
> ultra-anti-beastie or ultra-pro-beastie movements will destroy
> themselves.
>

The ultra-pro-beastie movement is defined as the status quo, so it's
impossible for it to destroy itself (except perhaps by apathy)

Ted

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Re: Boot problems afther reinstall windows

[Alex de Kruijff]

On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 07:05:58PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> > > > timeout=10
> > > > default=c:\freebsd.bin
> > > > [operating systems]
> > > > multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP
> > > > Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
> > > > c:\freebsd.bin="FreeBSD 5"
> > > > 
> > > > This works for me. I still wonder why the stuff below didn't work. In
> > > > the past I would do this with /stand/sysinstall. But I don't dare to do
> > > > this with FreeBSD 5 because of drive geometric warnings.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Remember there are two boot blocks, so to speak.
> > > There is the MBR that lets you choose which slice to boot.  There is 
> > > only one of those per disk and it lives in "sector 0" of the disk.
> > > The MBR generally has a standard calling sequence (that the Bios calls)
> > > and sets things up to a fairly standard condition and looks for
> > > standard appearing boot sectors in slices and makes a standard
> > > call to the selected slice's boot sector.   Almost any MBR that
> > > knows how to recognize a standard boot sector in a slice and lets
> > > you choose between them if there are more than one can be used
> > > interchangeably.
> > > 
> > > Then there is the boot block with the actual boot loader that starts 
> > > pulling the OS from the bootable partition.   On a multi boot disk 
> > > there are several - one per each bootable slice and they live in the 
> > > boot sector of each slice.Those are specific to the OS they are 
> > > booting.  Though their calling sequence is standard, what they have 
> > > to do to load and start their own OS is not.
> > 
> > Is it posible to boot one OS if you only have the MBR?
> 
> No, you need the boot sector.   If you have only that in the first
> location, you can boot without an full MBR, I think, but not without
> the boot sector that the MBR loads and jumps to.

But its not posible to put the code of the boot sector in the MBR
place? (i.e. doesn't fit)

> > > I am guessing that you managed to overwrite or damage the MS slice'
> > > boot sector while you were doing things, or didn't get it written
> > > to the slice properly when you reloaded or something like that.
> > > Even though you put the MBR back with FreeBSD's fdisk, did you
> > > also make sure that the MS slice had its own boot loader?   Anyway
> > > you did when you put the MS boot loader back.   So it works now.

I think the anwser to you question should be no. It booted before I put
the MBR back.

> > The previous time I first installed windows and then FreeBSD 5. The
> > difference this time is that I didn't use /stand/sysinstall. This
> > because I would get into serious troubel. (I never found out how to
> > force the right geometry) So I was thinking maybe sysinstall does
> > something (like copy the MBR to the second boot location) that I didn't
> > do manualy.
> 
> I think you are using MBR for boot sector.  

I think you mean by word and not on disk.

> The MBR is what goes
> in sector 0 of the disk itself.   The boot sector/record/block
> goes in the first sector of the slice.   The MBR lets you pick the
> slice you want to boot and then loads its boot sector/block/record and 
> jumps to it in a standard location.

MBR = /boot/boot0 (a copy of it)
boot sector = /boot/boot1

What I was thinking is: 
Now windows overwrites the MBR. And I was thinking it would put the boot
sector in the place of MBR. If this is the case then windows looses the
capability to boot.

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RE: Mucking with other drive

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eric
> Kjeldergaard
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:30 PM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: Jerry McAllister; CARRIE WUERFEL; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Mucking with other drive
>
>
> > PC bioses only let you boot off of drive C.  If you install this
> > other drive as drive D then during the installation FreeBSD is going
> > to have to write a boot loader onto C so that when the PC boots
> > it will load the boot loader, which will then load the FreeBSD system
> > off drive D.
>
> This is not a limitation of PC BIOSen in general.

Yes, it is.

> As a for-instance,
> I have a PC that will let me boot off of any of the 8 ide hard disks
> that it has attached to its mobo.

So do I, it has an onboard ide raid controller as well.  This is starting
to get more common in the very latest systems, maybe the last 2 years of
manufacture.  But the majority of them out there are still stuck with
booting from the first disk.

This is one area where the name brand pc's have lagged behind, the cloner
motherboards
seem to have had this feature longer

Ted

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Re: sbp, camcontrol, and Tagged Queuing

[Bob Johnson]

On Thursday 17 March 2005 10:08 pm, Drew Tomlinson wrote:
> I posted this a while back and am still having the same problem.  Can
> anyone offer any insight as to if the sbp man page suggestion about tagged
> queuing is something I should try?  Is there any risk of screwing up my
> drives by trying this?
>

Tagged queueing queues up multiple instructions for the drive simultaneously.  
The drive then attempts to sort them out and execute them in optimum order. 
Some drives that claim to support tagged queueing do not correctly do so, and 
don't perform well when it is used (and may lose data).  If you set the queue 
size to one, as recommended in the passage you reference, then only one 
instruction will be issued to the drive at time, and it will behave like a 
drive without tagged queueing.  It will do no harm to the drive.  If the 
drive correctly implements tagged queueing, this will slow down the drive, 
but if it does not correctly implement it, then this may dramatically speed 
up the drive (and make it more stable).  I have an external drive that 
manages 1.3 MBps transfers with queueing enabled, and 25 MBps transfers when 
I set the queue size to one.

As for whether it will help your specific problem, I don't know, but I can't 
see how it would do any harm to test it.

This issue is not specific to FreeBSD.  Any OS that supports tagged queuing 
has problems with some drives.

- Bob


> Thanks,
>
> Drew
>

[...]

> da2 and da3 are two IDE drives in a firewire enclosure.  These are also
> the drives that come up "referenced" after restarting.  What do these
> errors mean?  How can I correct them?  Is the following section from the
> sbp man page applicable to my situation?
>
> Some (broken) HDDs don't work well with tagged queuing. If you have prob-
> lems with such drives, try ``camcontrol [device id] tags -N 1'' to dis-
> able tagged queuing.
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Drew
>
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Re: Ethernet issue: works one way but not another

[John A.]

No problem with the english, if you didn't mention it, I wouldn't have known.

I can ping FBSD from M$, can't ping anything from FBSD.

M$ box works when plugged into hub and directly into radio.

All systems are on same subnet.

FBSD box worked when plugged into a 100mb hub, but doesn't work when
plugged into 10mb hub or directly into radio.  Both hubs are 3Com and
are working with other systems plugged into them.

FBSD has no firwall configured.  All I did was perform a standard
installation loading all binaries and sources from ftp.

I just tested another FBSD 5.3 box that I have and it does the same
thing, works fine at 100mb, but appears to get lost at 10mb.

Hope this answers some of your questions.

John A.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:18:46 +0200, abu khaled <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> First, you have to excuse my English it is my third language and I do
> not have that much experience.
> 
> This seems like a puzzle to me and I cannot figure out the topology of
> your network.
> 
> * Can you ping the M$ box from FreeBSD? You need to enable incoming
> echo request in M$ firewall.
> * Are both systems on the same subnet?
> * Have you tried to plug the radio directly into FreeBSD box and test
> the connection like you did for M$ box?
> * Does your FreeBSD box have a firewall configured?
> 
> You mentioned that the connection works if you plug the radio directly
> to M$ box. Does it also work when you plug both to the hub? If not
> then it might be a crossover cable problem.
> 
> As you can see, many pices in this puzzle need sorting out.
> 
> --
> Kind regards
> Abu Khaled
>
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How to include header files in makefiles

[Jonathon McKitrick]

Hi all,

I'm setting up a build system for a small project and I want to use included
makefiles.  I have a base.mk that looks like this:

.PATH.h   : ../ ../include
.INCLUDES : .h

CFLAGS   = -O -pipe -Wall -g
CFLAGS  += $(.INCLUDES)

OBJS = ${SRCS:R:S/$/.o/g}

and a bin.mk that looks like this:

include ../include/mk/base.mk

all: ${BIN}

${BIN}: ${OBJS}
${CC} ${LDFLAGS} -o ${.TARGET} ${.ALLSRC}

so that a makefile for a specific program looks like this:

BIN = app
SRCS = app.c
LDFLAGS += -pthread
include ../include/mk/bin.mk

But I'm having a problem figuring out how to handle header files.  I have
some that are local to this binary, but others are in the project include
directory.

How can I include the .h files so the .c files are recompiled when the
header files they require are changed?  GNU make has 'make depend' but I'd
like a better, BSDmake-centric way, if possible.

Thanks for your help,

jm
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sbp, camcontrol, and Tagged Queuing

[Drew Tomlinson]

I posted this a while back and am still having the same problem.  Can anyone 
offer any insight as to if the sbp man page suggestion about tagged queuing
is something I should try?  Is there any risk of screwing up my drives by 
trying this?

Thanks,
Drew
 Original Message 
Subject: Help Interpreting sbp0 Errors
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:43:21 -0800
From: Drew Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I've been having problems with vinum volumes since an upgrade from 4.9 
to 4.10 which I posted about here:

http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?41D748F0.1000303
However maybe that is the *symptom* instead of the *problem*.  I shut 
down my system from the console and saw this output:

--- BEGIN ---
boot() called on cpu#0
Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `vnlru' to stop...stopped
Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `bufdaemon' to stop...stopped
Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `syncer' to stop...stopped
syncing disks... 4
done
Uptime: 28d20h48m39s
sbp0:0:0 request timeout(mgm orb:0x0a550b14) ... reset start
sbp0:0:0 request timeout(cmd orb:0x0a550c4c) ... agent reset
(da2:sbp0:0:0:0): Synchronize cache failed, status == 0xb, scsi status 
== 0x0
sbp0:0:1 request timeout(cmd orb:0x0a5528a4) ... agent reset
(da3:sbp0:0:0:1): Synchronize cache failed, status == 0xb, scsi status 
== 0x0

The operating system has halted.
Please press any key to reboot.
--- END ---
da2 and da3 are two IDE drives in a firewire enclosure.  These are also 
the drives that come up "referenced" after restarting.  What do these 
errors mean?  How can I correct them?  Is the following section from the 
sbp man page applicable to my situation?

Some (broken) HDDs don't work well with tagged queuing. If you have prob-
lems with such drives, try ``camcontrol [device id] tags -N 1'' to dis-
able tagged queuing.
Thanks for your help!
Drew
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Re: How much HDD space does FreeBSD need?

[Rob]

--- Soo-Hyun Choi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What do you mean by installing OpenOffice from the
> package? Did you
> mean it by going through FreeBSD ports
> (/usr/ports/...)? Or how do I
> install OpenOffice from the package?

Download the .tgz file yourself and install the
package manually; or install "portupgrade" from
ports, and then do:

 portinstall -PP openoffice

The -PP enforces to install from package collection
only.

Rob.



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GEOM+Sysinstall

[Luciano Musacchio]

if i make a 2-disks gstripe volume, then boot a 5.3 fbsd cd, sysinstall will 
recognize the disks? the bootstrap will work on a stripped disk? (with 
gstripe_load on /boot/loader.conf).

The idea is to make a fresh install, I have 2 disks (same size) and want to 
make them stripped (even root filesystem). What's the best way to do it? (I 
would like to do it with sysinstall)

thanks

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configure options when using port php5-extensions

[Al Arzaga]

How does one install a module with the following equivalent 
configurations using the port php5-extensions?
 
./configure  --with-unixODBC=shared,/usr/local/easysoft/unixODBC



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dummynet trick

[Laszlo Zsolt Nagy]

Hello,
This is the beginning of my script:
ipfw -q flush
ipfw pipe 1 config bw 729kbit/s
ipfw pipe 2 config bw 121kbit/s
ipfw queue 1 config pipe 1 weight 94
ipfw queue 2 config pipe 1 weight 5
ipfw queue 3 config pipe 1 weight 1
ipfw queue 4 config pipe 2 weight 94
ipfw queue 5 config pipe 2 weight 5
ipfw queue 6 config pipe 2 weight 1
Everything runs okay except this:
   ipfw queue 3 config pipe 1 weight 1
results in:
  ipfw: setsockopt(IP_DUMMYNET_CONFIGURE): Invalid argument
But when I change to this:
   ipfw queue 22 config pipe 1 weight 1
then it works just fine. What the hell is this?
  Laci
p.s.: FreeBSD 4.8-p27
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PPP routing failure

[Peter C. Lai]

Hi everyone -
I'm experiencing some funky routing failures when I dialup netscape internet
via user-level PPP:
I can negotiate IPCP fine; get a point-to-point link via tun0:
myaddr: 172.143.224.146; hisaddr: 63.152.0.70
When the default route is setup to 63.152.0.70, all of my packets are
blackholed after the first router hop. I am not using NAT.
The PPP link works perfectly fine in windows dialup networking. So I dunno 
what is wrong. When I look at the routing table in windows, it seems backwards:

DESTNM  GW  IF
default 0   myaddr  ppp
hisaddr 0x  myaddr  ppp
localhost   0xff00  localhost   localhost
myaddr  0x  localhost   localhost
myaddr.255.255* 0x  myaddr  ppp
multicast   multicast   myaddr  ppp

*this is the first 2 dotted quads of myaddr appended with 255.255

If I try to manually set these routes in 5.3-R, I still can't get out :(
Setting ADD DEFAULT MYADDR doesn't work, because ppp will still think MYADDR
is 0.0.0.0. Either I need sleep or something is funky here...

-- 
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University of Connecticut
Dept. of Molecular and Cell Biology
Yale University School of Medicine
SenseLab | Research Assistant
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make index failed: french/mozilla-flp failed

[Tim Cleaver]

Hello all,
After a cvsup yesterday I have run into the following problem when running 
either make index or portsdb -uU:

Generating INDEX-5 - please wait..fr-mozilla-flp-1.7.5_1: 
"/usr/ports/www/mozilla-devel-gtk2" non-existent -- dependency list 
incomplete
===> french/mozilla-flp failed
*** Error code 1


Before reporting this error, verify that you are running a supported
version of FreeBSD (see http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/) and that you
have a complete and up-to-date ports collection.  (INDEX builds are
not supported with partial or out-of-date ports collections -- in
particular, if you are using cvsup, you must cvsup the "ports-all"
collection, and have no "refuse" files.)  If that is the case, then
report the failure to [EMAIL PROTECTED] together with relevant
details of your ports configuration (including FreeBSD version,
your architecture, your environment, and your /etc/make.conf
settings, especially compiler flags and WITH/WITHOUT settings).
Note: the latest pre-generated version of INDEX may be fetched
automatically with "make fetchindex".

*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports.
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports.
I have already googled for this problem and came up with the thread: 
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-July/051719.html

but all the solutions offered there are no help. I have run cvsup multiple 
times and have no refuse files. I also do not have mozilla-devel-gtk 
installed (I have no mozilla anything installed the reason why is another 
story though).

the output of uname -a is:
FreeBSD pc078650.sci.griffith.edu.au 5.3-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p1 
#7: Tue Nov 23 11:49:52 EST 2004 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KERNCONF  i386

the output of find / -iname refuse is:
/usr/share/examples/cvsup/refuse
/usr/src/share/examples/cvsup/refuse
the output of pkg_info | grep moz is: (empty)
the output of find / -iname moz | less is: (empty)
my make.conf file is (essentially a copy of the example):
# $FreeBSD: src/share/examples/etc/make.conf,v 1.229.2.5 2004/10/09 18:38:57 
dougb Exp $
#
# NOTE:  Please would any committer updating this file also update the
# make.conf(5) manual page, if necessary, which is located in
# src/share/man/man5/make.conf.5.
#
# /etc/make.conf, if present, will be read by make (see
# /usr/share/mk/sys.mk).  It allows you to override macro definitions
# to make without changing your source tree, or anything the source
# tree installs.
#
# This file must be in valid Makefile syntax.
#
# There are additional things you can put into /etc/make.conf.
# You have to find those in the Makefiles and documentation of
# the source tree.
#
# Note, that you should not set MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX or MAKEOBJDIR
# from make.conf (or as command line variables to make).
# Both variables are environment variables for make and must be used as:
#
# env MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/big/directory make
#
#
# The CPUTYPE variable controls which processor should be targeted for
# generated code.  This controls processor-specific optimizations in
# certain code (currently only OpenSSL) as well as modifying the value
# of CFLAGS to contain the appropriate optimization directive to gcc.
# The automatic setting of CFLAGS may be overridden using the
# NO_CPU_CFLAGS variable below.
# Currently the following CPU types are recognized:
#   Intel x86 architecture:
#   (AMD CPUs)	athlon-mp athlon-xp athlon-4 athlon-tbird athlon k6-3
#			k6-2 k6 k5
#   (Intel CPUs)	p4 p3 p2 i686 i586/mmx i586 i486 i386
#   Alpha/AXP architecture: ev67 ev6 pca56 ev56 ev5 ev45 ev4
#   Intel ia64 architecture: itanium
#
# (?= allows to buildworld for a different CPUTYPE.)
#
#CPUTYPE?=p4
#NO_CPU_CFLAGS=	true	# Don't add -march= to CFLAGS automatically
#NO_CPU_COPTFLAGS=true	# Don't add -march= to COPTFLAGS automatically
#
# CFLAGS controls the compiler settings used when compiling C code.
# Note that optimization settings other than -O and -O2 are not recommended
# or supported for compiling the world or the kernel - please revert any
# nonstandard optimization settings to "-O" before submitting bug reports
# without patches to the developers.
# Note also that at this time the -O2 setting is known to expose bugs in
# libalias(3), and possibly other parts of the system.
#
#CFLAGS= -O -pipe
#
# CXXFLAGS controls the compiler settings used when compiling C++ code.
# Note that CXXFLAGS is initially set to the value of CFLAGS.  If you wish
# to add to CXXFLAGS value, "+=" must be used rather than "=".  Using "="
# alone will remove the often needed contents of CFLAGS from CXXFLAGS.
#
#CXXFLAGS+= -fmemoize-lookups -fsave-memoized
#
# MAKE_SHELL controls the shell used internally by make(1) to process the
# command scripts in makefiles.  Three shells are supported, sh, ksh, and
# csh.  Using sh is most common, and advised.  Using ksh *may* work, but is
# not guarant

Re: How much HDD space does FreeBSD need?

[Thomas Foster]

http://oootranslation.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/ooomisc/FreeBSD/
download the tgz and pkg_add it..
Check out the handbook on more information about ports and packages if need 
be..

T
- Original Message - 
From: "Soo-Hyun Choi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "FreeBSD questions" 
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: How much HDD space does FreeBSD need?


What do you mean by installing OpenOffice from the package? Did you
mean it by going through FreeBSD ports (/usr/ports/...)? Or how do I
install OpenOffice from the package?
SH-
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:38:57 -0800 (PST), Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:
>
> Then, would OpenOffice require a large HDD space?
> (If it does, how much large?)
$ du -hs /usr/local/OpenOffice.org1.1.4
198M/usr/local/OpenOffice.org1.1.4
I have it installed from the package, otherwise
it requires an enormous amount of work/compile space
in /usr/ports.
R.
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Re: How much HDD space does FreeBSD need?

[Soo-Hyun Choi]

What do you mean by installing OpenOffice from the package? Did you
mean it by going through FreeBSD ports (/usr/ports/...)? Or how do I
install OpenOffice from the package?

SH-

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:38:57 -0800 (PST), Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:
> >
> > Then, would OpenOffice require a large HDD space?
> > (If it does, how much large?)
> 
> $ du -hs /usr/local/OpenOffice.org1.1.4
> 198M/usr/local/OpenOffice.org1.1.4
> 
> I have it installed from the package, otherwise
> it requires an enormous amount of work/compile space
> in /usr/ports.
> 
> R.
> 
> 
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Re: no patch whats going on

[Emanuel Strobl]

Am Freitag, 18. März 2005 01:35 schrieb Colin Percival:
> >>>On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 08:52:30AM +1000, Timothy Smith wrote:
> >>>http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12825/info/
>
> For the benefit of people on -questions who didn't read my reply
> on -security: This bug doesn't exist in FreeBSD, thus the lack
> of response from us.

Thanks for that note!

-Harry


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Re: no patch whats going on

[Colin Percival]

>>>On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 08:52:30AM +1000, Timothy Smith wrote:
>>>http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12825/info/

For the benefit of people on -questions who didn't read my reply
on -security: This bug doesn't exist in FreeBSD, thus the lack
of response from us.

stheg olloydson wrote:
> According to the site, this hole was disclosed 28.2.05. I wonder
> if this is the issue that Theo deRaadt was complaining about

No.

Colin Percival
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Re: no patch whats going on

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

>>On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 08:52:30AM +1000, Timothy Smith wrote:
>> http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12825/info/
>
>That URL doesn't seem to have any details.
>
>> openbsd and netbsd have taken action on this, but i see no
>>movment in 
>> the freebsd camp
>
>Well, you wouldn't, on the freebsd-questions list.  Security
>discussion happens on the freebsd-security mailing list.
>
>Kris
>

Hello,

Click on the "Discussion" and "Solution" links for the details.
Nothing has been said about this on the security@ list.
According to the site, this hole was disclosed 28.2.05. I wonder
if this is the issue that Theo deRaadt was complaining about

Regards,

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Re: Mucking with other drive

[Mike Jeays]

On Thu, 2005-03-17 at 11:03, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> > 
> > Jerry,
> > 
> > Well, of course it's going to "muck with the other drive" what
> > do you think writing the MBR does?  Do you want to risk the MS system
> > not booting?  95% of the time it will work OK but what if her system
> > is in that 5% of the time that it doesen't?  You going to go
> > over to her house and fix it?  What if she's got some nutty drive
> > program on there like diskmanager that neither of you know about that
> > is already on the mbr?
> 
> Well, that is true.   That is what I said - except for writing the MBR,
> which is mucking with that other drive, but not installing other stuff
> over the top of things.   I don't know about those percentages.  I have 
> never run in to that situation and had it fail.  Make sure you copy all 
> impossible to replace files before doing anything like that anyway.
> So, where does Carrie live?   Can I drive there?
> 
> > Carrie,
> > 
> > PC bioses only let you boot off of drive C.  If you install this
> > other drive as drive D then during the installation FreeBSD is going
> > to have to write a boot loader onto C so that when the PC boots
> > it will load the boot loader, which will then load the FreeBSD system
> > off drive D.
> 
> Yup.
> 
> > You need to leave well enough alone.  You can pick up older PC's for a
> > song
> > these days.  If you have critical data on your Dell then don't
> > screw with it.  Find some other PC that someone's going to throw away
> > and load FreeBSD on that.  You don't even need a monitor for it, you
> > can telnet/ssh into it from your Dell system easily.
> 
> Sure, if you have that opportunity.But, I'd rather reboot and
> have use of a decently fast recent machine than consign myself to
> an old slow clunker for one or the other systems.
> 
> > 
> > Dual-boot systems never work anyway.  The operator always ends up
> > spending 99% of their time in one operating system.
> 
> Well, if you get used to FreeBSD, probably you will stick with
> that most of the time to get any work done.   But, I find on 
> this machine, I use both of the OSen pretty much every day.
> That is mostly because I have to interact with people who need
> things in MS.
> But, dual boot does work and work quite well, actually.
> 
> jerry
> 
> > 
> > Ted
> > 
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I agree that dual boot works fine, and is quite safe with moderate
care.  An alternative is hard disk caddies, which make it easy to have
different operating systems on different disks, with no possibility
whatsoever of one damaging the other.  Of course, there is an increased
risk that you may drop one of them...

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Re: How much HDD space does FreeBSD need?

[Rob]

Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:
> 
> Then, would OpenOffice require a large HDD space?
> (If it does, how much large?)

 $ du -hs /usr/local/OpenOffice.org1.1.4
 198M/usr/local/OpenOffice.org1.1.4


I have it installed from the package, otherwise
it requires an enormous amount of work/compile space
in /usr/ports.

R.



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Re: Mucking with other drive

[Eric Kjeldergaard]

> PC bioses only let you boot off of drive C.  If you install this
> other drive as drive D then during the installation FreeBSD is going
> to have to write a boot loader onto C so that when the PC boots
> it will load the boot loader, which will then load the FreeBSD system
> off drive D.

This is not a limitation of PC BIOSen in general.  As a for-instance,
I have a PC that will let me boot off of any of the 8 ide hard disks
that it has attached to its mobo.  Many newish PC moboen that I've
looked at have similar/the same setup where you can choose HDD-0,
HDD-1... on to HDD-N to boot from.

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Re: Ethernet issue: works one way but not another

[abu khaled]

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:21:44 -0500, John A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The system uses a standard installation.  I have only configured the
> ethernet card with the proper ip address for the wireless side of the
> network.  The windoze box is running M$ firewall, but it works fine
> and allows me to ping my gateway and the FBSD box.  What concerns me
> at this point is the fact that tcpdump takes so long to respond.  If I
> let it run, it will display a packet about one every 2 min.  They seem
> to be in time order with timestamps only ms apart.
> 
> Let me know if any other information will help.
> 
> John A.

First, you have to excuse my English it is my third language and I do
not have that much experience.

This seems like a puzzle to me and I cannot figure out the topology of
your network.

* Can you ping the M$ box from FreeBSD? You need to enable incoming
echo request in M$ firewall.
* Are both systems on the same subnet?
* Have you tried to plug the radio directly into FreeBSD box and test
the connection like you did for M$ box?
* Does your FreeBSD box have a firewall configured?

You mentioned that the connection works if you plug the radio directly
to M$ box. Does it also work when you plug both to the hub? If not
then it might be a crossover cable problem.

As you can see, many pices in this puzzle need sorting out.

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Re: no patch whats going on

[Kris Kennaway]

On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 08:52:30AM +1000, Timothy Smith wrote:
> http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12825/info/

That URL doesn't seem to have any details.

> openbsd and netbsd have taken action on this, but i see no movment in 
> the freebsd camp

Well, you wouldn't, on the freebsd-questions list.  Security
discussion happens on the freebsd-security mailing list.

Kris

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no patch whats going on

[Timothy Smith]

http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12825/info/
openbsd and netbsd have taken action on this, but i see no movment in 
the freebsd camp
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Re: MySQL ports 'missing'

[Kris Kennaway]

On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 11:14:51PM +0100, Nigel Moore wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I'm trying to use FreeBSD ports to install MySQL server 4.1.10. The CLI 
> throws back an error to the effect that mysql-4.1.5-gamma.tar.gz is 
> unavailable.
> 
> The website 
> (http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/pds.cgi?ports/databases/mysql41-server) 
> cannot find the ports.
> 
> What' s the problem and how can I get around it?

Your ports tree is out of date.  Update it.

Kris

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Re: Installing x11

[pete wright]

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:09:09 -0600 (CST), Nic Reveles
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> After reading freeBSD's handbook on installing x11, I have some simple
> questions.
> 
> I'm running 5.2.1 and wish to get xorg running.
> 
Not sure if this possible in your situation but I would strongly
suggest running 5.3.  This is the currrent STABLE branch and has
numerous fixes that the 5.2 branch does not have.

> /usr/ports/x11/xorg does not exist.
> 

It should exist.  Before doing anything I would suggest running cvsup
to get your ports tree up to date.  A pkg_add -r cvsup should do the
trick.  An example config file for your ports tree should then be
located in:

/usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile

> pkg_add -r xorg Just tells me that the file cannot be found.
> 

This should work as well.  You can also try:

pkg_add -r xorg-clients
pkg_add -r xorg-server


> I've tried to upgrade to a newer version that comes with x11, but
> everytime I chose Upgrade I can never find a passive FTP server that has
> 5.2.1/release available.
> 

Again, I strongly suggest running 5.3.

> >From my position, what is the easiest way to get xorg running (not
> XFree86)?
> 
Hope this helps,
 pete



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MySQL ports 'missing'

[Nigel Moore]

Hi
I'm trying to use FreeBSD ports to install MySQL server 4.1.10. The CLI 
throws back an error to the effect that mysql-4.1.5-gamma.tar.gz is 
unavailable.

The website 
(http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/pds.cgi?ports/databases/mysql41-server) 
cannot find the ports.

What' s the problem and how can I get around it?
Thanks!
Nigel
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Installing x11

[Nic Reveles]

Hello,
After reading freeBSD's handbook on installing x11, I have some simple 
questions.

I'm running 5.2.1 and wish to get xorg running.
/usr/ports/x11/xorg does not exist.
pkg_add -r xorg Just tells me that the file cannot be found.
I've tried to upgrade to a newer version that comes with x11, but 
everytime I chose Upgrade I can never find a passive FTP server that has 
5.2.1/release available.

From my position, what is the easiest way to get xorg running (not 
XFree86)?
Regards,
Nic Reveles
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
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Re: cannot build openoffice

[Robert Huff]

Chuck Robey writes:

>  Holy frijoles, did you see the size of the tarball that this thing 
>  downloads?  232 Mb!  Probably takes 49 days to build ...

Between 24 and 48 hours on my P4-2.25ghz system 


Robert Huff


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script to save a particular mail file??

[Gary Kline]

Hi Y'all,

Just thought I'd ask the list if anyone has a script to
read /var/mail/ and grab a single file.  I just
sub'd to a mailing list that is produced only in HTML.
I'd like to save it to /tmp, strip it, and have it ready
for lynx or links.

If anyone onlist has already done this, it would save me
from reinventing *this* wheel.

thanks in advance,

gary



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Re: cannot build openoffice

[Thomas Foster]

Same here.. passing WITHOUT_MOZILLA=YES doesnt seem to do the trick, though 
installing the pkg worked out for me..

Also, I am curious why it still uses XFree-libs as a dependency.. though not 
an immediate issue..

T
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From: "Doug Poland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "RW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: cannot build openoffice


On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 08:45:25PM +, RW wrote:
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 15:54, Brian John wrote:
> Hello,
> When I try to build openoffice I get the following error:
> ./unxfbsd.pro/misc/FREEBSDGCCIruntime/libprldap50.so && \ echo >& 
> /dev/null
> cp: ./unxfbsd.pro/misc/build/mozilla/dist/bin/libnss3.so: No such file 
> or
> directory
> dmake:  Error code 1, while making
> './unxfbsd.pro/misc/build/so_moz_runtime_files'
> ---* TG_SLO.MK *---
> *** Error code 255
>
> Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1.

It's been discussed in the ports list. You can just wait for it to be
fixed, but if you are in a hurry setting:
WITHOUT_MOZILLA=YES
should make it work.
Didn't work for me yesterday.  However, I was able to install the
package from:
http://oootranslation.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/ooomisc/FreeBSD/
HTH
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Re: cannot build openoffice

[Chuck Robey]

Chuck Robey wrote:
Doug Poland wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 08:45:25PM +, RW wrote:
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 15:54, Brian John wrote:
Hello,
When I try to build openoffice I get the following error:
./unxfbsd.pro/misc/FREEBSDGCCIruntime/libprldap50.so && \ echo >& 
/dev/null
cp: ./unxfbsd.pro/misc/build/mozilla/dist/bin/libnss3.so: No such 
file or
directory
dmake:  Error code 1, while making
'./unxfbsd.pro/misc/build/so_moz_runtime_files'
---* TG_SLO.MK *---
*** Error code 255

Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1.

It's been discussed in the ports list. You can just wait for it to be
fixed, but if you are in a hurry setting:
WITHOUT_MOZILLA=YES
should make it work.
Didn't work for me yesterday.  However, I was able to install the
package from:
http://oootranslation.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/ooomisc/FreeBSD/ 


Anyone know, does the openoffice-2.0 port work?  Is it worth my while 
giving it a test build?
Holy frijoles, did you see the size of the tarball that this thing 
downloads?  232 Mb!  Probably takes 49 days to build ...


HTH
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Re: make buildworld errors

[Charles Swiger]

On Mar 17, 2005, at 4:43 PM, luke wrote:
this is the 3rd place it's stopped, and like i said, if i repeat the
make buildworld command it will go a little further and stop again.
i'm going to start using time make buildworld and see if there is a
pattern here. this machine has been acting as a slackware gateway for
a little over a year with no hardware change, so i don't think it's
hardware related.
Actually, if the compile crashes out at different points, that's almost 
a sure sign of a hardware issue, most probably overheating.  If you 
were just running the system as a network router before, that involves 
so little load that you wouldn't stress anything, but building world is 
a good stress test and marginal cooling will show symptoms like what 
you've described.

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Re: make buildworld errors

[Kent Stewart]

On Thursday 17 March 2005 01:43 pm, luke wrote:
> i just cvsup'd to release_5_3 and i'm making buildworld but it keeps
> erroring out.
>  if i do make buildworld again, chaning nothing, it goes a little
> further and errors
>  again. i've done this a few times. here's my /etc/make.conf

These are usually hardware errors. Some k6's were famous for 
overheating.

Kent

>
> %more /etc/make.conf
> CPUTYPE=k6-2
> CFLAGS= -O -pipe
> COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe
> NO_FORTRAN= true
> NO_I4B= true
> NO_LPR= true
> NO_X= true
> NOGAMES= true
> NOPROFILE= true
> USA_RESIDENT= yes
>
> %uname -a
> FreeBSD gw.internal.net 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #0: Fri Nov 
> 5 04:19:18 UTC 2004
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386
>
>
> and here's output from the latest time it's stopped. any help is
> appreciated.
>
> cc -O -pipe -I. -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DPREFIX=\"/usr\"
> -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../cc_tools
> -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../cc_tools
> -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc
> -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/config
> -DGENERATOR_FILE  -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/include -c
> /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/choose-temp.
>c In file included from
> /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/choose-temp.
>c:26: /usr/include/stdio.h: In function `__sputc':
> /usr/include/stdio.h:399: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
> Please submit a full bug report,
> with preprocessed source if appropriate.
> See http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html> for instructions.
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools.
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/src.
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/src.
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/src.
> gw#
>
> this is the 3rd place it's stopped, and like i said, if i repeat the
> make buildworld command it will go a little further and stop again.
> i'm going to start using time make buildworld and see if there is a
> pattern here. this machine has been acting as a slackware gateway for
> a little over a year with no hardware change, so i don't think it's
> hardware related.
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make buildworld errors

[luke]

i just cvsup'd to release_5_3 and i'm making buildworld but it keeps
erroring out.
 if i do make buildworld again, chaning nothing, it goes a little
further and errors
 again. i've done this a few times. here's my /etc/make.conf

%more /etc/make.conf
CPUTYPE=k6-2
CFLAGS= -O -pipe
COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe
NO_FORTRAN= true
NO_I4B= true
NO_LPR= true
NO_X= true
NOGAMES= true
NOPROFILE= true
USA_RESIDENT= yes

%uname -a
FreeBSD gw.internal.net 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #0: Fri Nov  5
04:19:18 UTC 2004
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386

 
and here's output from the latest time it's stopped. any help is appreciated.

cc -O -pipe -I. -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DPREFIX=\"/usr\"
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../cc_tools
-I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../cc_tools
-I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc
-I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/config
-DGENERATOR_FILE  -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/include -c
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/choose-temp.c
In file included from
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/choose-temp.c:26:
/usr/include/stdio.h: In function `__sputc':
/usr/include/stdio.h:399: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
Please submit a full bug report,
with preprocessed source if appropriate.
See http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html> for instructions.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
gw#

this is the 3rd place it's stopped, and like i said, if i repeat the
make buildworld command it will go a little further and stop again.
i'm going to start using time make buildworld and see if there is a
pattern here. this machine has been acting as a slackware gateway for
a little over a year with no hardware change, so i don't think it's
hardware related.
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Re: How much HDD space does FreeBSD need?

[Soo-Hyun Choi]

Well, I have just formatted the portion that FreeBSD is placed. And I
have just been reinstalling the whole system again. I found that the
disk shortage does not come from gnome but from OpenOffice 1.1
installation.

Then, would OpenOffice require a large HDD space? (If it does, how much large?)

For your reference, I have partitioned (and labeled) the disk by using
Auto Allocation(?) option in FreeBSD disk labeler.

Thank you.
Soo-Hyun


On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:16:55 -0600, Kevin Kinsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >I'm wondering how much HDD space does FreeBSD need in a normal
> >installation. What I mean by the normal installation includes 'Full
> >X-Development' packages with Gnome. Oh, It's 5.3-RELEASE.
> >
> >My HDD has 10G space for FreeBSD and I installed onto that space. The
> >FreeBSD installation was of no problem. However, once I tried to
> >upgrade Gnome 2.8 to 2.10, I've faced up a warning message at some
> >point that I am running out of HDD space. (I just executed the
> >recommend upgrade shell script from http://www.FreeBSD.org/gonme/)
> >
> >Is 10G HDD space is not good enough?
> >
> >Soo-Hyun
> >
> >
> 
> Well, it *should* be plenty.  How did you partition the drive?
> 
> Could you show us the output of "df", the output of
> "cat /etc/fstab", and give the text and context of the
> warning message you refer to?
> 
> Kevin Kinsey
>
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Re: 5.3-release-p5 pptp stoped working

[Andrew P.]

Géczi Szabolcs wrote:
after I made a cvsup and buildworld my pptp doesn't work well.
the clients can authenticate succesfully but they cannot reach subnet 
except the tunnel's endpoint ip which is 192.168.1.1.
naturally my ppp/pptp configuration are unchanged.

any idea?
It's just that you didn't mention it:
did you update your kernel after updating world?
Best wishes,
Andrew P.
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Re: cannot build openoffice

[Chuck Robey]

Doug Poland wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 08:45:25PM +, RW wrote:
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 15:54, Brian John wrote:
Hello,
When I try to build openoffice I get the following error:
./unxfbsd.pro/misc/FREEBSDGCCIruntime/libprldap50.so && \ echo >& /dev/null
cp: ./unxfbsd.pro/misc/build/mozilla/dist/bin/libnss3.so: No such file or
directory
dmake:  Error code 1, while making
'./unxfbsd.pro/misc/build/so_moz_runtime_files'
---* TG_SLO.MK *---
*** Error code 255
Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1.
It's been discussed in the ports list. You can just wait for it to be
fixed, but if you are in a hurry setting:
WITHOUT_MOZILLA=YES
should make it work.
Didn't work for me yesterday.  However, I was able to install the
package from:
http://oootranslation.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/ooomisc/FreeBSD/
Anyone know, does the openoffice-2.0 port work?  Is it worth my while 
giving it a test build?

HTH
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Re: Can't Login to Box Anymore

[John]

On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 12:44:53PM -0800, JP wrote:
> Hello,
>  
> I recently installed Samba and was configuring the box for winbindd.  Upon 
> rebooting I can no longer login to the box via telnet or any other means.  
> The console also generates the same error:
>  
> login in free(): error: chunk is already free
>  
> This is on FreeBSD 5.3.  Any advice on how to mount or access the server from 
> the console?  I tried to use the safe mode but the file system is read-only 
> and that doesnt' do me any good.

Hey, JP.

The file system being read-only has nothing to do with your login
problem.  I do not recognize what is going on with your login
problem, and cannot help you there, but I can advise you on the
read-only status.  You can issue a mount command to remount (or
initially mount) the filesystems you need to try to solve your
problem.  I won't try to tell you which filesytems you need or
want, but many people will use a "mount -a" after single-user
boot to do system maintenance.
-- 

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Re: cannot build openoffice

[Doug Poland]

On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 08:45:25PM +, RW wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 March 2005 15:54, Brian John wrote:
> > Hello,
> > When I try to build openoffice I get the following error:
> > ./unxfbsd.pro/misc/FREEBSDGCCIruntime/libprldap50.so && \ echo >& /dev/null
> > cp: ./unxfbsd.pro/misc/build/mozilla/dist/bin/libnss3.so: No such file or
> > directory
> > dmake:  Error code 1, while making
> > './unxfbsd.pro/misc/build/so_moz_runtime_files'
> > ---* TG_SLO.MK *---
> > *** Error code 255
> >
> > Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1.
> 
> It's been discussed in the ports list. You can just wait for it to be
> fixed, but if you are in a hurry setting:
>  
> WITHOUT_MOZILLA=YES
> 
> should make it work.
>
Didn't work for me yesterday.  However, I was able to install the
package from:

http://oootranslation.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/ooomisc/FreeBSD/

HTH

-- 
Regards,
Doug
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Re: Can't Login to Box Anymore

[W. D.]

At 14:44 3/17/2005, JP wrote:
>Hello,
> 
>I recently installed Samba and was configuring the box for winbindd.  Upon 
>rebooting I can no longer login to the box via telnet or any other means.  
>The console also generates the same error:
> 
>login in free(): error: chunk is already free
> 
>This is on FreeBSD 5.3.  Any advice on how to mount or access the server 
>from the console?  I tried to use the safe mode but the file system is 
>read-only and that doesnt' do me any good.

This might help:
http://www.Google.com/search?q=freebsd+read+only+file+system

> 
>Thanks,
>JP
> 
> 
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Re: Which ports use C++?

[Toomas Aas]

Kris Kennaway wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 06:45:53AM +0200, Toomas Aas wrote:
Kris Kennaway wrote:
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 08:53:05PM +0200, Toomas Aas wrote:

Or should I more or less expect that I need to rebuild *all* the ports 
anyway?
That's best; there are other incompatibilities that are there when you
have old (compiled on 5.2) versions of a library and you try and
compile new software against them on 5.3.
OK. But just to make sure I understand it right - does this mean that if 
I upgrade to 5.3, then those ports that depend on some incompatible 
library or are written in C++ do not work until they are recompiled?

I'm aware that some of the library upgrades can be overcome with 
/etc/libmap.conf, but apparently this doesn't get it all.
Correct on both counts.
I guess I was lucky in that all my "important" ports: postfix, 
amavisd-new, cyrus-imapd, mod_php, mysql40-server and apache2 survived 
the OS upgrade without the need to re-compile them. I *am* still 
planning to re-compile them anyway, I'm just glad I didn't *have* to do 
it all in one night.

Just wanted to record this as a data point in the list archives, in case 
someone else is looking at a same sort of upgrade.

--
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Re: permanent changes to interface configuration

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2005-03-17 15:39, Philippe Bastien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi.
> I have made some changes to my interface configuration. I used
> ifconfig to change from autodetect to 100baseTX full-duplex. Unless I
> am mistaken, that change is not permanent (it will be lost on the next
> reboot). What is the command or how do I make this change permanent?

You save all the relevant ifconfig options in `/etc/rc.conf', i.e.:

ifconfig_sis0="inet 10.0.0.2/8 -mediaopt FOO"

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Re: cannot build openoffice

[RW]

On Wednesday 16 March 2005 15:54, Brian John wrote:
> Hello,
> When I try to build openoffice I get the following error:
> ./unxfbsd.pro/misc/FREEBSDGCCIruntime/libprldap50.so && \ echo >& /dev/null
> cp: ./unxfbsd.pro/misc/build/mozilla/dist/bin/libnss3.so: No such file or
> directory
> dmake:  Error code 1, while making
> './unxfbsd.pro/misc/build/so_moz_runtime_files'
> ---* TG_SLO.MK *---
> *** Error code 255
>
> Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1.

It's been discussed in the ports list. You can just wait for it to be fixed, 
but if you are in a hurry setting:
 
WITHOUT_MOZILLA=YES

should make it work.
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Can't Login to Box Anymore

[JP]

Hello,
 
I recently installed Samba and was configuring the box for winbindd.  Upon 
rebooting I can no longer login to the box via telnet or any other means.  The 
console also generates the same error:
 
login in free(): error: chunk is already free
 
This is on FreeBSD 5.3.  Any advice on how to mount or access the server from 
the console?  I tried to use the safe mode but the file system is read-only and 
that doesnt' do me any good.
 
Thanks,
JP
 
 
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permanent changes to interface configuration

[Philippe Bastien]

Hi.

I have made some changes to my interface configuration. I used ifconfig to 
change from autodetect to 100baseTX full-duplex. Unless I am mistaken, that 
change is not permanent (it will be lost on the next reboot). What is the 
command or how do I make this change permanent?

Thanks

Philippe

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RE: /etc/ppp/ip-up

[Marco Greene (ML)]

Thanks...that worked.  I just found ip-up/ip-down in the pppd man page, but
I guess that is not what I was really after for running something after a
userland connection comes up.

Thanks,
Marco

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aftab Jahan
Subedar
Sent: March 18, 2005 3:00 AM
To: FreeBSD List
Subject: Re: /etc/ppp/ip-up


Hi Marco,
It works fine for me.
But my file name is ppp.linkup, according to man ppp
and I used the following way

MakHine# cat ppp.linkup
MYADDR:
 !bg sh -c "sleep 75;/usr/local/bin/noip2 -U 59"
MakHine#   

Aftab Jahan Subedar
- Kayoty 4 - Spyware detector for windows, check that out. 
http://www.tucows.com/preview/379868.html

Marco Greene (ML) wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I have found a few postings regarding the /etc/ppp/ip-up and ip-down
scripts
>and the fact that they do not work.  I am experiencing the same thing and I
>have tried all of the hints that I found in those threads but with little
>success.  I would really like to use these scripts.  Are there any hints?
>
>-I have set the permissions to 555
>-#!/bin/sh is the first line in the script
>
>Are there any other things that I may have missed?
>
>Note:  pppoe is setup as per the handbook with a few modifications as found
>on one of the links given by the handbook.
>
>Thanks,
>Marco
>
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RE: apple share

[Tim Simmons]

That's where the tricky part comes in. We can't change any of the software
on the Mac server. I was looking for a gateway between the mac server and
our PCs. We have a login ID and password, but that's all. 


Timothy R. Simmons
IT Technician
Champion Realty Inc.
Direct Line: 410-975-3328
Office: 410-544-6004
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: apple share

An easy solution is to install Dave (a commericial product) on the Apple
server if it is running Mac Classic. If it is running OSX you can use Samba.



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Re: /etc/ppp/ip-up

[Aftab Jahan Subedar]

Hi Marco,
It works fine for me.
But my file name is ppp.linkup, according to man ppp
and I used the following way
MakHine# cat ppp.linkup
MYADDR:
!bg sh -c "sleep 75;/usr/local/bin/noip2 -U 59"
MakHine#   

Aftab Jahan Subedar
- Kayoty 4 - Spyware detector for windows, check that out. 
http://www.tucows.com/preview/379868.html

Marco Greene (ML) wrote:
Hi all,
I have found a few postings regarding the /etc/ppp/ip-up and ip-down scripts
and the fact that they do not work.  I am experiencing the same thing and I
have tried all of the hints that I found in those threads but with little
success.  I would really like to use these scripts.  Are there any hints?
-I have set the permissions to 555
-#!/bin/sh is the first line in the script
Are there any other things that I may have missed?
Note:  pppoe is setup as per the handbook with a few modifications as found
on one of the links given by the handbook.
Thanks,
Marco
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Re: Data Recovery

[Anthony Atkielski]

Yanek Korff writes:

> Are there any ways to recover files from rm -rf dirname after a few
> days, assuming there have been few if any writes to the filesystem since?

You can restore the files from backup for as long as you keep the
backups.

-- 
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adding a directory to a CD-image (.iso)

[Mikhail Teterin]

Hello!

I donwloaded an .iso-image (Solaris 10, actually), which is about 2.7Gb.

Before burning it to a DVD, I'd like to add a directory to the image. Is there 
a way to do it with tools available on FreeBSD -- mkisofs, growisofs, etc?

I don't want to recreate the main image from scratch, as I'm sure, I'll get 
the options wrong and it will not boot :-) Can I just add a directory to the 
existing iso8859 filesystem?

Thanks!

-mi
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Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

[Jerry McAllister]

> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry
> >> McAllister
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:44 AM
> >> To: Michael C. Shultz
> >> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> >> Subject: Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt
> >
> >>
> >> Oh, quit your whining.   The Beastie mascot isn't going to go away.
> >> It got its start because someone (Kirk) enjoyed drawing it and used
> >> it on some stuff and people enjoyed. it.
> >>
> >
> > Wrong.  Use of the devil image for the logo for BSD and UNIX
> > predates Kirk.

Maybe, but he drew the cutest picture.

jerry

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Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

[Jerry McAllister]

> >
> > We live in a day and age where it is politically incorrect to
> > take pride
> > in anything, and it shows.
> >

Well, by now we are gleefully off topic for this list, so...
 
> No, not at all.  The right-wingers take lots of pride in successfully
> being able to destroy ANWR for example.
> 
> More accurately, the United States has a political system that is
> suceptable to control by minorities, and every once in a while the
> right-wingers who are a minority in the country, manage to seize
> control until cooler heads prevail.  We are in one of these times.

The USA system attempts/purports to _protect_ the minorities.  This
exists because supposedly the system tries to protect everyone, not
specifically the minorities.  It is only an artifact that sometimes
minorities find themselves able to use the system to influence some
outcome.  They do not seize control.   They wield whatever poser/influence 
they can muster, but they do not seize control.   

> Don't forget the same thing happened with Prohibition.  You and I wern't
> alive then, but the ultraconservative christians managed to take control
> then also, and the result of that failed attempt was the Mafia.

First, that wasn't such a minority or untraconservative outcome as
you might think.It had next to nothing to do with Christianity
although some churches and church people got in to the fray.  It was
mostly more an unholy alliance of women activists and those who
were discovering the concept of social engineering.   It initially
enjoyed widespread support -- as well as widespread grumbling.  Most
who apposed it, presumed they could just ignore it which is what they
did.

Next, it was not exactly a failure.   The use of alcohol went down
very significantly.   

Finally, it was not the Mafia that gained power, but the Chicago,
Detroit and Galveston based bootlegger gangs.   They weren't Mafia
related for the most part and probably actually cut in to Mafia power 
during their brief reign.   

> I am afraid that a political system where the minority never gets a
> chance of control is much worse than a political system where the
> minority gets control every once in a while.  So enduring these periods
> of time is I am afraid, one of the payments that we must make.

It is more that we need to discipline ourselves to protect everyone
and when we begin to fail in that, some corrective events begin to
happen.   Some of those corrective events can actually be disastrous.
 
> Also remember if you examine the core of the ultraconservative beliefs
> that they do not have suppression of individual liberties in those
> beliefs.  So, any time the ultraconservatives get control they cannot
> help being hipocrites, and thus their movement carries with it the seeds
> of it's own destruction.  Don't forget what took down Newt Gringrich.
> All ultraconservatives are hipocrites when they attempt to apply their
> philosophy, thus the movement carries an automatic self-limit.

Sure, each 'ultra' group contains the seeds/tools of its own 
destruction.   So, lets leave this topic at that.   Either the 
ultra-anti-beastie or ultra-pro-beastie movements will destroy 
themselves.

jerry

> 
> Ted
> 
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5.3-release-p5 pptp stoped working

[Géczi Szabolcs]

re,
after I made a cvsup and buildworld my pptp doesn't work well.
the clients can authenticate succesfully but they cannot reach subnet 
except the tunnel's endpoint ip which is 192.168.1.1.
naturally my ppp/pptp configuration are unchanged.

any idea?
sz
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Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

[Kirk Strauser]

On Thursday 17 March 2005 11:04, Thompson, Jimi wrote:

> Frankly, I find that most religious people are all about removing
> religious references [...]


No.  Some people are going to be a pain in the butt regardless, and they 
attempt to use their beliefs (or lack of beliefs) as a tool to bully 
others.  The rest of us hate that our religion is drawn through the mud by 
loudmouths who claim to speak for us.

I'm about as conservative as you can get, but I have a Beastie logo on my 
server (next to the EFF sticker).  Can we drop this now?


-- 
Kirk Strauser


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RE: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

[Marco Greene (ML)]

Here is my 2 cents worth...Can we please stop filling our inboxes with
this

A logo...a mascot...who really cares.  If whoever put it there wants it
there, then let them put it there. 

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Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael C.
> Shultz
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:30 AM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt
>
>
> On Thursday 17 March 2005 08:01 am, you wrote:
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael C.
> > > Shultz
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:42 AM
> > > To: RacerX
> > > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> > > Subject: Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt
> > >
> > >
> > > adding my $0.02 to the pot
> > >
> > > I hope FreeBSD folks have more pride in their product than
> > > to allow a few malcontents cause a logo change.  If bestie goes
> > > AWOL so may I.  Using a product when its own designers won't
> > > stick by it seams unwise.
> >
> > It's important to understand that there's only 1 or 2 of the core
> > members that have sticks up their ass about this issue.  The rest
> > of them don't understand why it's necessary to waste time or labor
> > on this issue.
> >
> > The question then becomes if your a core member, are you going to
> > bother to spend time on a logo change or not?  If the 1 or 2 core
> > members come up with a different logo, the rest of core probably
> > isn't going to expend effort on changing the logo, and all the work
> > to do this will rest on the shoulders of the 1 or 2 malcontents.
> >
> > What I think is going to end up happening if they do get a decent
> > logo out of this contest, is that ultimately your going to see the
> > new logo used in a few places here and there on the Internet, and
> > your going to see beastie used at most other places.  It will simply
> > present more confusion to non-FreeBSD users if it does anything at
> > all.  Most likely it will do nothing at all, in the same way that
> > GM for example uses multiple brands for the same iron.
> >
> > Ted
>
> We live in a day and age where it is politically incorrect to
> take pride
> in anything, and it shows.
>

No, not at all.  The right-wingers take lots of pride in successfully
being able to destroy ANWR for example.

More accurately, the United States has a political system that is
suceptable to control by minorities, and every once in a while the
right-wingers who are a minority in the country, manage to seize
control until cooler heads prevail.  We are in one of these times.

Don't forget the same thing happened with Prohibition.  You and I wern't
alive then, but the ultraconservative christians managed to take control
then also, and the result of that failed attempt was the Mafia.

I am afraid that a political system where the minority never gets a
chance of control is much worse than a political system where the
minority gets control every once in a while.  So enduring these periods
of time is I am afraid, one of the payments that we must make.

Also remember if you examine the core of the ultraconservative beliefs
that they do not have suppression of individual liberties in those
beliefs.  So, any time the ultraconservatives get control they cannot
help being hipocrites, and thus their movement carries with it the seeds
of it's own destruction.  Don't forget what took down Newt Gringrich.
All ultraconservatives are hipocrites when they attempt to apply their
philosophy, thus the movement carries an automatic self-limit.

Ted


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RE: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael C.
> Shultz
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:30 AM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt
>
>
> On Thursday 17 March 2005 08:01 am, you wrote:
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael C.
> > > Shultz
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:42 AM
> > > To: RacerX
> > > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> > > Subject: Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt
> > >
> > >
> > > adding my $0.02 to the pot
> > >
> > > I hope FreeBSD folks have more pride in their product than
> > > to allow a few malcontents cause a logo change.  If bestie goes
> > > AWOL so may I.  Using a product when its own designers won't
> > > stick by it seams unwise.
> >
> > It's important to understand that there's only 1 or 2 of the core
> > members that have sticks up their ass about this issue.  The rest
> > of them don't understand why it's necessary to waste time or labor
> > on this issue.
> >
> > The question then becomes if your a core member, are you going to
> > bother to spend time on a logo change or not?  If the 1 or 2 core
> > members come up with a different logo, the rest of core probably
> > isn't going to expend effort on changing the logo, and all the work
> > to do this will rest on the shoulders of the 1 or 2 malcontents.
> >
> > What I think is going to end up happening if they do get a decent
> > logo out of this contest, is that ultimately your going to see the
> > new logo used in a few places here and there on the Internet, and
> > your going to see beastie used at most other places.  It will simply
> > present more confusion to non-FreeBSD users if it does anything at
> > all.  Most likely it will do nothing at all, in the same way that
> > GM for example uses multiple brands for the same iron.
> >
> > Ted
>
> We live in a day and age where it is politically incorrect to
> take pride
> in anything, and it shows.
>

No, not at all.  The right-wingers take lots of pride in successfully
being able to destroy ANWR for example.

More accurately, the United States has a political system that is
suceptable to control by minorities, and every once in a while the
right-wingers who are a minority in the country, manage to seize
control until cooler heads prevail.  We are in one of these times.

Don't forget the same thing happened with Prohibition.  You and I wern't
alive then, but the ultraconservative christians managed to take control
then also, and the result of that failed attempt was the Mafia.

I am afraid that a political system where the minority never gets a
chance of control is much worse than a political system where the
minority gets control every once in a while.  So enduring these periods
of time is I am afraid, one of the payments that we must make.

Also remember if you examine the core of the ultraconservative beliefs
that they do not have suppression of individual liberties in those
beliefs.  So, any time the ultraconservatives get control they cannot
help being hipocrites, and thus their movement carries with it the seeds
of it's own destruction.  Don't forget what took down Newt Gringrich.
All ultraconservatives are hipocrites when they attempt to apply their
philosophy, thus the movement carries an automatic self-limit.

Ted


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Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

[Thomas Foster]

- Original Message - 
From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jerry McAllister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Michael C. Shultz" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:05 AM
Subject: RE: Stupid ASCII loader prompt



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry
McAllister
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:44 AM
To: Michael C. Shultz
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

Oh, quit your whining.   The Beastie mascot isn't going to go away.
It got its start because someone (Kirk) enjoyed drawing it and used
it on some stuff and people enjoyed. it.
Wrong.  Use of the devil image for the logo for BSD and UNIX
predates Kirk.
If someone comes up with some nice looking graphic that makes a
good official logo and the FreeBSD Foundation buys it, then they
will have an official logo, owned by FreeBSD.   So what.   Gee,
maybe Kirk McKusick will design it.Anyway, a mascot isn't a logo
so the mascot isn't threatened.
Wrong.  Beastie has always been the logo.  It is one of the hallmarks of
the anti-beastie campaign that the anti-beastie people are now claiming
that
beastie was never the logo.
Who claims that Beastie was never the logo?
Who cares?  Will the logo affect the OS?  If not .. Im happy :-)
T

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/etc/ppp/ip-up

[Marco Greene (ML)]

Hi all,

I have found a few postings regarding the /etc/ppp/ip-up and ip-down scripts
and the fact that they do not work.  I am experiencing the same thing and I
have tried all of the hints that I found in those threads but with little
success.  I would really like to use these scripts.  Are there any hints?

-I have set the permissions to 555
-#!/bin/sh is the first line in the script

Are there any other things that I may have missed?

Note:  pppoe is setup as per the handbook with a few modifications as found
on one of the links given by the handbook.

Thanks,
Marco

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RE: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry
> McAllister
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:44 AM
> To: Michael C. Shultz
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

>
> Oh, quit your whining.   The Beastie mascot isn't going to go away.
> It got its start because someone (Kirk) enjoyed drawing it and used
> it on some stuff and people enjoyed. it.
>

Wrong.  Use of the devil image for the logo for BSD and UNIX
predates Kirk.

> If someone comes up with some nice looking graphic that makes a
> good official logo and the FreeBSD Foundation buys it, then they
> will have an official logo, owned by FreeBSD.   So what.   Gee,
> maybe Kirk McKusick will design it.Anyway, a mascot isn't a logo
> so the mascot isn't threatened.
>

Wrong.  Beastie has always been the logo.  It is one of the hallmarks of
the anti-beastie campaign that the anti-beastie people are now claiming
that
beastie was never the logo.

Ted

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Re: Data Recovery

[Thomas Foster]

I hope that you have remounted this filesystem read-only .. or else you 
might not be able to recover anything.  That might be one of the problems 
you are running into.

Sleuthkit allows you to search inodes and fragment ranges of a device for 
particular file and directory names.. then images that inode or fragment 
range into a single image file elsewhere on the system.

Foremost will then open that image file and extract files based on their 
header and footer information, but.. if you do not include footer 
information you might get truncated file recovery.  Also.. as  stated 
before.. if there have been multiple writes to the file system.. you 
probably wont get the file back at all.

Hope this helps..
T
- Original Message - 
From: "Yanek Korff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 10:24 AM
Subject: Data Recovery


Are there any ways to recover files from rm -rf dirname after a few days, 
assuming there have been few if any writes to the filesystem since?

I've been playing with tools like foremost and jpegrescue a bit... and 
running tests on other filesystems, but it doesn't appear that I'm getting 
full images back from the disk.  Looking at an octal dump of a disk image 
(dd if=/dev/blah of=/some/file), I can find the file header... and about 
20k of the file, generally... and then there's garbage.  Presumably the 
file's been broken into blocks and there's inode table data to consider...

The tests I"m running are trying to find jpeg files that HAVEN'T been 
deleted from the filesystem.  My real scenario of course differs.

Pointers/rtfm welcome.
-Yanek.
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RE: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thompson, Jimi
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:04 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: RE: Stupid ASCII loader prompt
>
>
> I see changing the logo as an act of cowardice because you are
> giving in
> to the religious right who have their own agenda which involves
> dominating everyone's ideas about religion.  I would urge the FreeBSD
> community to stick to their guns and take a stand for religious freedom
> for everyone.  You have a right to your logo.  It's been your logo for
> 20 years and no bunch of religious bigots should be able to make you
> change it.  I'm not saying that they have to agree with you, but they
> don't have the right to force you to change.
>

Hi Jimi,

  First, if yuor a FreeBSD user it's YOUR logo too, not just mine.

  Second, I agree with the sentiments - which is why I do not intend
to participate in the rediculous "contest" for a new logo which was
announced here last month.  I urge everyone else not to participate also.

  The core developers who want to change Beastie are not graphic artists,
they know they aren't graphic artists, and they have never been able to
come up with anything to replace beastie that looks a tenth as good.
They
know this which is why the put together the contest.  If nobody
participates
in the contest then they will be back where they started from and will
not have gained anything in the attempt to change beastie.

  If that happens not only will beastie stay but the malcontents will
have
gotten such a significantly embarassing and bloody nose over the affair
that they will then hopefully drop this stupid and misguided campaign.

  Remember - these religious right politically correct types draw
strength
in numbers.  They know they are a minority in the userbase, and so the
only hope they have of winning is the following:

1) is getting a sufficient number of FreeBSD users converted
over to the way they think.

2) Hiding behind the existing FreeBSD core team and making the rest of
us think that the entire core team is united in wanting to toss Beastie.

So far, numbers 1 and 2 aren't true, and unless the userbase starts
thinking that they are, this effort will die a quiet death.

Ted

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Re: new install of fbsd with apache/php/mysql

[Thomas Foster]

You can switch ttys to view output of pkg_add to see any error messages..
or try using the Ports tree.
T
- Original Message - 
From: "Chip Wiegand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "FreeBSD List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: new install of fbsd with apache/php/mysql


I just finished installed 5.3 and am now trying to get apache2, php4,
myql4 installed. I run sysinstall to install the packages from ftp. php4
installed, mysql-client installed, but apache2 and mysql-server failed. I
get this message when I tried mysql4.1.5  -
Add of package mysql-client-4.1.5 aborted, error code 1 - Please check the
debug screen for more info

Loading of dependent package mysql-client-4.1.5 failed
and the same message when trying apache2.0.50_3.
I don't know how to view the debug screen so can't provide any more info
than those error messages.
I just need those 3 apps - apache2, php4 and mysql4 on this box for web
developement.
Any suggestions?
Chip
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strange behaviour : grep -i --colour ""

[martinko]

hello,
i've just found out that while 'grep -i ""' and 'grep --colour ""' 
behave as expected (by myself), running 'grep -i --colour ""' results in 
very strange behaviour - grep consumes all available cpu and, based on 
its input and terminal type, its output is definitely not what it should be.

is this a known issue pls (i couldn't find anything about it) or am i 
just missing something ?

regards,
martin
ps: observed on freebsd 5.3r-p5
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Data Recovery

[Yanek Korff]

Are there any ways to recover files from rm -rf dirname after a few 
days, assuming there have been few if any writes to the filesystem since?

I've been playing with tools like foremost and jpegrescue a bit... and 
running tests on other filesystems, but it doesn't appear that I'm 
getting full images back from the disk.  Looking at an octal dump of a 
disk image (dd if=/dev/blah of=/some/file), I can find the file 
header... and about 20k of the file, generally... and then there's 
garbage.  Presumably the file's been broken into blocks and there's 
inode table data to consider...

The tests I"m running are trying to find jpeg files that HAVEN'T been 
deleted from the filesystem.  My real scenario of course differs.

Pointers/rtfm welcome.
-Yanek.
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Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

[Michael C. Shultz]

On Thursday 17 March 2005 09:43 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 08:27:54AM -0800, Michael C. Shultz wrote:
> > If you toss beastie probably should change to change chmod 666
> > because that number offends some people.  While your at it please
> > remove gnome-sword, it likely offends some non Christians to have
> > bible study software in ports. After all in Saudi Arabia the cross
> > is illegal, no need to risk offending.   What about the hewbrew
> > fonts? Do they also piss off Arabs? Toss those just in case.  Now
> > the Arabic fonts need tossing tool,  just to be fair.
>
> While we're at it (even if it is OT for this thread), there's no
> arabtex port in the tree right now. arabtex can generate hebrew
> and arabic script via TeX. I'm quite curious why there's no port
> for it. Perhaps because of the teTeX 3 transition?
>
> Cheers,
> -cpghost.

To get back OT lets hope this arabtex port is not missing because 
someone is offended by it.  To be more serious I know ports has
hebrew fonts, for example /usr/ports/hebrew/elmar-fonts/pkg-descr 
and /usr/ports/hebrew/culmus/pkg-descr.  There are arabic fonts 
in  /usr/ports/arabic/  About arabtex I just looked at

http://www.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/ifi/bs/research/arab_e.html

which refers you to

 ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pub/arabtex/

for download.

Maybe this is a good project for some Arabic speaking person to take on?

Making a port of arabtex I mean, if anyone does, be warned 

ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pub/arabtex/

seems as slow as molasses. (is that phrase offensive these days? I never 
can be sure any more )

-Mike

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Re: X11 windows not setting up properly

[Gerry Freymann]

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:00:16 -0500
paul thodiyil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Could anyone suggest a fix for the failure of KDE or gnome desktops to
>appear after startx.

 Did you create a file called  .xinitrc in your home directory with the
following content?

startkde

 Otherwise, it just loads the boring plain Xfree interface with no windows
manager or desktop.

-gerry
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new install of fbsd with apache/php/mysql

[Chip Wiegand]

I just finished installed 5.3 and am now trying to get apache2, php4, 
myql4 installed. I run sysinstall to install the packages from ftp. php4 
installed, mysql-client installed, but apache2 and mysql-server failed. I 
get this message when I tried mysql4.1.5  - 

Add of package mysql-client-4.1.5 aborted, error code 1 - Please check the 
debug screen for more info

Loading of dependent package mysql-client-4.1.5 failed

and the same message when trying apache2.0.50_3.

I don't know how to view the debug screen so can't provide any more info 
than those error messages.
I just need those 3 apps - apache2, php4 and mysql4 on this box for web 
developement.

Any suggestions?
Chip
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Fwd: X11 windows not setting up properly

[paul thodiyil]

I have installed FreeBSD release 5.3 for AMD 64 on my PC (opteron 250
processor, 1gb RAM,  Tyan 2885 motherboard), on a separate FreeBSD
partition on a SCSI hard drive.

It boots up without error messages -- after logging on, at the command
prompt I type startx, all that loads up of the X windows system are 4
terminal consoles, each with a command prompt.  I am unable to get KDE
or GNOME desktops even though I had included these in the setup
process.

I had previously used the 5.2 release when x-windows worked very well.
 My initial attempts to upgrade to 5.3 did not upgrade X-windows, so I
decided to reinstall from scratch.

Could anyone suggest a fix for the failure of KDE or gnome desktops to
appear after startx.

Many thanks.

Paul
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X11 windows not setting up properly

[paul thodiyil]

I have installed FreeBSD release 5.3 for AMD 64 on my PC (opteron 250
processor, 1gb RAM,  Tyan 2885 motherboard), on a separate FreeBSD
partition on a SCSI hard drive.

It boots up without error messages -- after logging on, at the command
prompt I type startx, all that loads up of the X windows system are 4
terminal consoles, each with a command prompt.  I am unable to get KDE
or GNOME desktops even though I had included these in the setup
process.

I had previously used the 5.2 release when x-windows worked very well.
 My initial attempts to upgrade to 5.3 did not upgrade X-windows, so I
decided to reinstall from scratch.

Could anyone suggest a fix for the failure of KDE or gnome desktops to
appear after startx.

Many thanks.

Paul
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Re: 5.3-release fine with 512MB RAM, reboots at times with 1.5GB (but no panic)

[Kris Kennaway]

On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 07:29:43PM -0800, Jean Lagarde wrote:
> Thanks to all who replied. So it seems the consensus is a likely 
> hardware issue, and I am leaning that way as well now. I will try the 
> suggestion about disabling ACPI however.
> 
> To address some of the other comments, that exact CPU-mobo-memory 
> configuration worked fine running Win2000 for many years, so I doubt it 
> is the problem per se.

Doesn't rule out bugs in the ACPI support of your motherboard.  Some
low-quality motherboards only implement an approximation to the ACPI
spec to a level that gets windows to run.

Kris
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Re: Which ports use C++?

[Kris Kennaway]

On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 06:45:53AM +0200, Toomas Aas wrote:
> Kris Kennaway wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 08:53:05PM +0200, Toomas Aas wrote:
> >
> >>Or should I more or less expect that I need to rebuild *all* the ports 
> >>anyway?
> >
> >That's best; there are other incompatibilities that are there when you
> >have old (compiled on 5.2) versions of a library and you try and
> >compile new software against them on 5.3.
> 
> OK. But just to make sure I understand it right - does this mean that if 
> I upgrade to 5.3, then those ports that depend on some incompatible 
> library or are written in C++ do not work until they are recompiled?
> 
> I'm aware that some of the library upgrades can be overcome with 
> /etc/libmap.conf, but apparently this doesn't get it all.

Correct on both counts.

Kris

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Apache Signal 11

[Kyle Mott]

This just very recently started to happen (and I haven't upgraded Apache 
as of late either, or any other software for that matter). I keep 
getting this in my kernel.log on 2 different hosts:
Mar 17 09:34:16 logsrv pid 38069 (httpd), uid 0: exited on signal 11 
(core dumped)
Mar 17 00:34:25 g1bs0n kernel: pid 9419 (httpd), uid 0: exited on signal 
11 (core dumped)

Both hosts are running 'apache+mod_ssl-1.3.33+2.8.22' plus 
'php4-4.3.10', and a bunch of php modules that I don't want to list. i 
was able to get Apache running on g1bs0n by not starting ssl; however, 
Apache won't start on logsrv at all.

Looking up man signal, SIGSEGV (11) is a segmentation violation. What 
can cause this on 2 different machines that haven't been updated in a 
while? I'm currently running a ports-cvsup, to verify that 
apache+mod_ssl either does or does not need to be updated.


-Kyle Mott
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Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

[cpghost]

On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 08:27:54AM -0800, Michael C. Shultz wrote:
> If you toss beastie probably should change to change chmod 666 because 
> that number offends some people.  While your at it please remove 
> gnome-sword, it likely offends some non Christians to have bible study 
> software in ports. After all in Saudi Arabia the cross is illegal, no 
> need to risk offending.   What about the hewbrew fonts? Do they also 
> piss off Arabs? Toss those just in case.  Now the Arabic fonts need 
> tossing tool,  just to be fair.

While we're at it (even if it is OT for this thread), there's no
arabtex port in the tree right now. arabtex can generate hebrew
and arabic script via TeX. I'm quite curious why there's no port
for it. Perhaps because of the teTeX 3 transition?

Cheers,
-cpghost.

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Re: newsyslog

[Nathan Kinkade]

On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 07:09:06PM +0200, Chris Knipe wrote:
> Can anyone perhaps just give me a sample for 'when' in newsyslog.conf to 
> get rotation to rotate at 00:00 on the 1st of the month?
> 
> I tried '@$M18D0' to no evail...
> 
> --
> Chris. 

From the syslog manpage:


$M1D0   rotate at the first day of every month at midnight
(i.e., the start of the day; same as @01T00)


Have you already tried this?

Nathan


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Re: newsyslog

[Dan Nelson]

In the last episode (Mar 17), Chris Knipe said:
> Can anyone perhaps just give me a sample for 'when' in newsyslog.conf to 
> get rotation to rotate at 00:00 on the 1st of the month?
> 
> I tried '@$M18D0' to no evail...

If you drop the @, that would rotate on the 18th day of every month. 
Try (from the manpage):

$M1D0   rotate at the first day of every month at midnight (i.e.,
the start of the day; same as @01T00)

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Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

[Michael C. Shultz]

On Thursday 17 March 2005 09:04 am, Thompson, Jimi wrote:
> 
>
> > What I think is going to end up happening if they do get a decent
> > logo
> >
> > out of this contest, is that ultimately your going to see the new
> > logo
> >
> > used in a few places here and there on the Internet, and your going
> > to
> >
> > see beastie used at most other places.  It will simply present more
> > confusion to non-FreeBSD users if it does anything at all.  Most
> > likely it will do nothing at all, in the same way that GM for
> > example uses multiple brands for the same iron.
>
> 
>
> Personally, I find the suggestion that we remove the daemon as the
> logo to be religiously offensive.  The gods of the old religion
> always become the evil of the new religion.  If you're so worried
> about formulating a "poltically correct" response to the daemon, the
> be concerned about the politicial correctness of violing MY religious
> freedom.
>
> Frankly, I find that most religious people are all about removing
> religious references UNTIL the point at which you go to remove
> references to their religion.  If the logo was a cross, the
> christians would be irate about having it removed.  If the logo was
> star of david, the jews would be irate about having it removed.  If
> the logo was cresent moon, the islamic element would be irate about
> having it removed.  However, each group would rejoice if another
> group's icon was removed as the logo.
>
> People's arugments about what name you should call your god are the
> poorest excuse I've ever seen for most of the ills that befall
> humanity. Any right thinking individual realizes that 1) not everyone
> is going to agree with you and 2) true conversion does not come with
> the use of force.  If your version of god is so totally awesome and
> your faith is so great in what you believe and you aren't afraid of
> being converted, why do you feel the need to try to supress everyone
> else?
>
> Now, from a marketing perspective, FreeBSD could do worse than
> Beastie. The fact that he is some what controversial generates a
> significant amount of publicity.  Any marketing wonk will tell you
> that ANY publicity is good and free publicity is the best kind.  6
> months later, people don't remember WHAT was said but they do
> recognize the name.  All of it serves to build the brand.
>
> I see changing the logo as an act of cowardice because you are giving
> in to the religious right who have their own agenda which involves
> dominating everyone's ideas about religion.  I would urge the FreeBSD
> community to stick to their guns and take a stand for religious
> freedom for everyone.  You have a right to your logo.  It's been your
> logo for 20 years and no bunch of religious bigots should be able to
> make you change it.  I'm not saying that they have to agree with you,
> but they don't have the right to force you to change.
>
> 2 cents,
>
> Jimi

Right on Jimi!

-Mike
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newsyslog

[Chris Knipe]

Can anyone perhaps just give me a sample for 'when' in newsyslog.conf to get 
rotation to rotate at 00:00 on the 1st of the month?

I tried '@$M18D0' to no evail...
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RE: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

[Thompson, Jimi]

 

>
> What I think is going to end up happening if they do get a decent logo

> out of this contest, is that ultimately your going to see the new logo

> used in a few places here and there on the Internet, and your going to

> see beastie used at most other places.  It will simply present more 
> confusion to non-FreeBSD users if it does anything at all.  Most 
> likely it will do nothing at all, in the same way that GM for example 
> uses multiple brands for the same iron.


Personally, I find the suggestion that we remove the daemon as the logo
to be religiously offensive.  The gods of the old religion always become
the evil of the new religion.  If you're so worried about formulating a
"poltically correct" response to the daemon, the be concerned about the
politicial correctness of violing MY religious freedom.  

Frankly, I find that most religious people are all about removing
religious references UNTIL the point at which you go to remove
references to their religion.  If the logo was a cross, the christians
would be irate about having it removed.  If the logo was star of david,
the jews would be irate about having it removed.  If the logo was
cresent moon, the islamic element would be irate about having it
removed.  However, each group would rejoice if another group's icon was
removed as the logo.  

People's arugments about what name you should call your god are the
poorest excuse I've ever seen for most of the ills that befall humanity.
Any right thinking individual realizes that 1) not everyone is going to
agree with you and 2) true conversion does not come with the use of
force.  If your version of god is so totally awesome and your faith is
so great in what you believe and you aren't afraid of being converted,
why do you feel the need to try to supress everyone else?

Now, from a marketing perspective, FreeBSD could do worse than Beastie.
The fact that he is some what controversial generates a significant
amount of publicity.  Any marketing wonk will tell you that ANY
publicity is good and free publicity is the best kind.  6 months later,
people don't remember WHAT was said but they do recognize the name.  All
of it serves to build the brand.  

I see changing the logo as an act of cowardice because you are giving in
to the religious right who have their own agenda which involves
dominating everyone's ideas about religion.  I would urge the FreeBSD
community to stick to their guns and take a stand for religious freedom
for everyone.  You have a right to your logo.  It's been your logo for
20 years and no bunch of religious bigots should be able to make you
change it.  I'm not saying that they have to agree with you, but they
don't have the right to force you to change.

2 cents,

Jimi  

  
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Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

[Michael C. Shultz]

On Thursday 17 March 2005 08:43 am, you wrote:
> > On Thursday 17 March 2005 08:08 am, you wrote:
> > > Michael C. Shultz wrote:
> > > >adding my $0.02 to the pot
> > > >
> > > >I hope FreeBSD folks have more pride in their product than
> > > >to allow a few malcontents cause a logo change.  If bestie goes
> > > >AWOL so may I.  Using a product when its own designers won't
> > > >stick by it seams unwise.
> > > >
> > > >-Mike
> > >
> > > For what values of "it"?  FreeBSD is an operating system,
> > > not a logo.  Most people's decision to use the OS aren't
> > > based on its mascot, I would hope.
> >
> > If the logo is of no importance, then why did it ever exist?
> > FreeBSD started with this logo and needs to stick by it in my
> > opinion.  If someone comes up with a better looking "beastie" that
> > is fine, to arbitrally change it after 20 years because a few
> > people are offended shows cowardness in the face of nearly 0
> > diversity.
> >
> > If you toss beastie probably should change to change chmod 666
> > because that number offends some people.  While your at it please
> > remove gnome-sword, it likely offends some non Christians to have
> > bible study software in ports. After all in Saudi Arabia the cross
> > is illegal, no need to risk offending.   What about the hewbrew
> > fonts? Do they also piss off Arabs? Toss those just in case.  Now
> > the Arabic fonts need tossing tool,  just to be fair.
> >
> > -Mike
>
> Oh, quit your whining.

You call it whining when I state a position that is contrary to your 
own?  Be brave, make a counter point.  People with no original ideas of 
their own result to insults. Surely you can rise above this sort of 
statement.

[snipped the rest, after reading the insult lost interest in the 
remainer of your reply]

-Mike

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Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> On Thursday 17 March 2005 08:08 am, you wrote:
> > Michael C. Shultz wrote:
> > >adding my $0.02 to the pot
> > >
> > >I hope FreeBSD folks have more pride in their product than
> > >to allow a few malcontents cause a logo change.  If bestie goes
> > >AWOL so may I.  Using a product when its own designers won't
> > >stick by it seams unwise.
> > >
> > >-Mike
> >
> > For what values of "it"?  FreeBSD is an operating system,
> > not a logo.  Most people's decision to use the OS aren't
> > based on its mascot, I would hope.
> 
> If the logo is of no importance, then why did it ever exist? FreeBSD
> started with this logo and needs to stick by it in my opinion.  If 
> someone comes up with a better looking "beastie" that is fine,
> to arbitrally change it after 20 years because a few people are offended
> shows cowardness in the face of nearly 0 diversity.
> 
> If you toss beastie probably should change to change chmod 666 because 
> that number offends some people.  While your at it please remove 
> gnome-sword, it likely offends some non Christians to have bible study 
> software in ports. After all in Saudi Arabia the cross is illegal, no 
> need to risk offending.   What about the hewbrew fonts? Do they also 
> piss off Arabs? Toss those just in case.  Now the Arabic fonts need 
> tossing tool,  just to be fair.
> 
> -Mike

Oh, quit your whining.   The Beastie mascot isn't going to go away.
It got its start because someone (Kirk) enjoyed drawing it and used
it on some stuff and people enjoyed. it.   

Since Kirk is very generous in his copyright terms (note, it is not 
owned by FreeBSD), people who enjoy it will continue to use it and 
make variations on it and have fun with it.   People who enjoy whining 
about it will continue to enjoy whining about it.   Such fun.

There is nothing official about Beastie except that Kirk officially 
owns the copyright.   You are making more of a religious issue out of 
it than even the flaming right wing fundamentalists.

If someone comes up with some nice looking graphic that makes a 
good official logo and the FreeBSD Foundation buys it, then they 
will have an official logo, owned by FreeBSD.   So what.   Gee,
maybe Kirk McKusick will design it.Anyway, a mascot isn't a logo
so the mascot isn't threatened.   

jerry

> >
> > KDK
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Re: How much HDD space does FreeBSD need?

[RW]

On Thursday 17 March 2005 16:16, Kevin Kinsey wrote:
> Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I'm wondering how much HDD space does FreeBSD need in a normal
> >installation. What I mean by the normal installation includes 'Full
> >X-Development' packages with Gnome. Oh, It's 5.3-RELEASE.
> >
> >My HDD has 10G space for FreeBSD and I installed onto that space. The
> >FreeBSD installation was of no problem. However, once I tried to
> >upgrade Gnome 2.8 to 2.10, I've faced up a warning message at some
> >point that I am running out of HDD space. (I just executed the
> >recommend upgrade shell script from http://www.FreeBSD.org/gonme/)
> >
> >Is 10G HDD space is not good enough?
> >
> >Soo-Hyun
>
> Well, it *should* be plenty.  How did you partition the drive?
>
> Could you show us the output of "df", the output of
> "cat /etc/fstab", and give the text and context of the
> warning message you refer to?

And take a look at

du -hs /usr/ports/distfiles/ /usr/ports/packages

You shouldn't really need any packages. And you can manage distfiles with 
portsclean (installed with portupgrade). 

Left unmanaged they can quickly mount up to several GB. A full set of 
up-to-date files for a desktop machine should take up about a 1 GB. 
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Re: SMART and bad block list?

[Dan Nelson]

In the last episode (Mar 17), David Kelly said:
> On SCSI drives one could look at the bad block lists to see if it was
> growing to know if a drive was getting sick. In the wee hours of the
> morning one of my Hitachi HDS722516VLSA80's got sick:
> 
> Mar 17 03:04:39 Grumpy kernel: ad4: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (2 retries 
> left) LBA=282857146
> Mar 17 03:04:39 Grumpy kernel: ad4: FAILURE - READ_DMA timed out
> Mar 17 03:04:39 Grumpy kernel: GEOM_VINUM: subdisk vinum0.p0.s0 state change: 
> up -> down
> Mar 17 03:04:39 Grumpy kernel: GEOM_VINUM: plex vinum0.p0 state change: up -> 
> down
> 
> "atacontrol info" says SMART is enabled. So what does this do for me?
> Has the drive exhausted its supply spare blocks and can no longer
> repair itself?

Try the smartmontools port.  I don't think it can read the bad-block
list from ATA disks, but it will give you an errors detected/corrected
summary.

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Re: pf seems to start late?

[Jeff Penn]

Volodymyr Kostyrko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Shouldn't PF start right after the interfaces come up? [...]
>
>Guys, didn't you forgot that pf sometimes uses resolver to lookup 
> hostnames present in pf.conf? What happens if it should resole hostnames 
> with local named?

I noticed that openbsd does a two-stage startup if pf is enabled.
Rc initially defines rules for lo0, & ssh/dns/icmp/ etc from any
to any (also NFS if enabled).  After the network is started these rules
are replaced by loading pf.conf.

Jeff

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Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

[Michael C. Shultz]

On Thursday 17 March 2005 08:01 am, you wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael C.
> > Shultz
> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:42 AM
> > To: RacerX
> > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> > Subject: Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt
> >
> >
> > adding my $0.02 to the pot
> >
> > I hope FreeBSD folks have more pride in their product than
> > to allow a few malcontents cause a logo change.  If bestie goes
> > AWOL so may I.  Using a product when its own designers won't
> > stick by it seams unwise.
>
> It's important to understand that there's only 1 or 2 of the core
> members that have sticks up their ass about this issue.  The rest
> of them don't understand why it's necessary to waste time or labor
> on this issue.
>
> The question then becomes if your a core member, are you going to
> bother to spend time on a logo change or not?  If the 1 or 2 core
> members come up with a different logo, the rest of core probably
> isn't going to expend effort on changing the logo, and all the work
> to do this will rest on the shoulders of the 1 or 2 malcontents.
>
> What I think is going to end up happening if they do get a decent
> logo out of this contest, is that ultimately your going to see the
> new logo used in a few places here and there on the Internet, and
> your going to see beastie used at most other places.  It will simply
> present more confusion to non-FreeBSD users if it does anything at
> all.  Most likely it will do nothing at all, in the same way that
> GM for example uses multiple brands for the same iron.
>
> Ted

We live in a day and age where it is politically incorrect to take pride 
in anything, and it shows.

-Mike


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Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

[Michael C. Shultz]

On Thursday 17 March 2005 08:08 am, you wrote:
> Michael C. Shultz wrote:
> >adding my $0.02 to the pot
> >
> >I hope FreeBSD folks have more pride in their product than
> >to allow a few malcontents cause a logo change.  If bestie goes
> >AWOL so may I.  Using a product when its own designers won't
> >stick by it seams unwise.
> >
> >-Mike
>
> For what values of "it"?  FreeBSD is an operating system,
> not a logo.  Most people's decision to use the OS aren't
> based on its mascot, I would hope.

If the logo is of no importance, then why did it ever exist? FreeBSD
started with this logo and needs to stick by it in my opinion.  If 
someone comes up with a better looking "beastie" that is fine,
to arbitrally change it after 20 years because a few people are offended
shows cowardness in the face of nearly 0 diversity.

If you toss beastie probably should change to change chmod 666 because 
that number offends some people.  While your at it please remove 
gnome-sword, it likely offends some non Christians to have bible study 
software in ports. After all in Saudi Arabia the cross is illegal, no 
need to risk offending.   What about the hewbrew fonts? Do they also 
piss off Arabs? Toss those just in case.  Now the Arabic fonts need 
tossing tool,  just to be fair.

-Mike


>
> FBSD has close ties with the "Beastie" artwork, to be sure; but
> saying that the "designers won't stick by it" when referring
> to artwork (rather than a "work of art"  --- that is, the system
> itself) is a emotionally biased statement.  Not that such is
> inappropriate, but to contend that FreeBSD isn't worthy to use
> because of
> contention over "marketing" type issues also *seems* unwise
>
> KDK
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Re: dual boot two disk

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> Jerry McAllister wrote:
> 
> >>Hi
> >>
> >>I have a problem booting the second disk with fbsd's boot manager. I 
> >>installed a new disk as pri/master (ad0) and moved my old disk to 
> >>sec/master (ad2). Then devided ad0 (40GB) with fbsd's fdisk in 10G (ufs) 
> >>and 30G (fat) and installed FreeBSD 5.3 with a boot manager on the first 
> >>10G. When I boot the system I get:
> >>
> >>F1 FreeBSD   (the fbsd on ad0s1)
> >>F2 DOS (the 30G fat, ad0s2)
> >>F5 Other (again the fbsd)
> >>
> >>So there is no option to boot from the second disk!?
> >>Allso when I unlplug ad0 or change the BIOS to boot from ad2 (hd1 as he 
> >>sees it), WinXP boots just fine, meaning, there is no problem with the 
> >>mbr on ad2.
> >
> >Hmmm.   I am not exactly clear from your description, but...
> >
> >I would expect that when you hit F5, you would be presented with
> >a new menu that included the ad2 disk.Maybe that disk does not
> >really have an MBR, but only a boot block (the second part of 
> >the disk boot process [or third if you count BIOS]).   I believe 
> >each disk that has bootable slices (which have boot blocks/sectors)
> >also needs to have an MBR for it to work right.   If you are brave, 
> >try using fdisk to write the MBR to ad2 as well.   I don't think 
> >that would mess up anything and might be what is missing.
> >
> >Something like: fdisk -BI -b /boot/boot0 ad2
> >
> >I don't know if FreeBSD 5.3 still keeps its MBR in /boot/boot0.
> >You may have to check that.
> >
> >jerry
> >
> That's what I thought. F5 should move on to the next disk, or more 
> precise the next disk's mbr. But it does not.
> Anyways, the second disk has a MBR on it. As I said, when I unplug the 
> fist dis and boot the box with the old disk (second disk) only, I get a 
> normal boot menu from Widows XP (which has it's own boot loader = WinXP 
> and Win2k Pro). So the problem is not that the second disk has bad or no 
> MBR, rather that FreeBSD's boot manager "boot0" doesn't give me a chance 
> to boot from the second disk.
> 
> I thought about overwriting the mbr on the second disk (ad2), but I 
> don't feel very brave :P I think that will most defenetly remove WinXP 
> boot manager and probably remove some partitioning info, thus I'll loose 
> the data. And since I'm not familiar with WinXP boot process, and don't 
> know if FreeBSD's boot manager will pick up where WinXP/MBR left off, I 
> rather not do that without any assurance.

I think it would be OK.   I don't think it will change the slicing info 
unless you tell it to.  On any multi boot installs I have done, it has 
been smart enough to only change what it needed.  
But, it's your machine - doesn't harm me if it screws up, so...   
so it is up to you.Ted M seems to think there are some situations
in which rewriting the MBR can screw things up.  I haven't run in to
one yet, but probably he knows of more such situations that I do.

> 
> >>I read the man for boot0cfg, but I can't make heads or tails of ti!!! 
> >>how do I configure/install the boo0 to show the second disk ni the boot 
> >>menu?
> >
> >I generally use fdisk and not boot0cfg, but I think it is basically 
> >the same for what you are trying to do here.
> >
> >Something like: boot0cfg  -B -b /boot/boot0 -o packet ad2
> >
> >You might want to add -f some_file_name if you want it to save whatever
> >was in the sector0 before the command.  You can put it back if you need.
> >
> >You may also need -m 0x1 or -m 0x3 or -m 0x7 or -m 0xf  depending
> >on if you have 1, 2, 3 or 4 slices actively bootable.   I think it
> >is supposed to figure it out, but if it doesn't, then try those.
> >
> >You migh also want to include the -v flag to make it print out more
> >stuff when it runs.  
> >
> >You might also want to do the exactly the same or the same fdisk to ad0 
> >as well.
> >
> I got that part :P What I didn't understand is how the hell I'm I 
> suppose to let him know about the other disk :)

I think it is supposed to figure it out itself by looking at which slices
are marked active - eg bootable.   The -m 0x3  etc marks them active.
You can also tell it which is the default one or the active slices
to boot from.   If you have the -o packet option set, then it will
automatically set the default to whatever you select and the next time
that will be it if you don't select anything else in the time allowed
(set by -t ticks).
> 
> >By the way, what happened to ad1?   (I don't muck with IDE - I have SCSI
> >so, I am not up on its device naming schemes)
> >
> >Good luck,
> >
> >jerry
> >
> BIOS names disks as hdN, and bsd as adN (as you already know). The main 
> difference is that BIOS just increments N for the next disk (example: 
> pri/master=hd0, pri/slave=cdrom, sec/master=hd1) and fbsd decides N by 
> IDE position (example: pri/master=ad0, pri/slave=acd0, sec/master=ad2)

Sort of what I guessed.

jerry

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Re: Ethernet issue: works one way but not another

[John A.]

The system uses a standard installation.  I have only configured the
ethernet card with the proper ip address for the wireless side of the
network.  The windoze box is running M$ firewall, but it works fine
and allows me to ping my gateway and the FBSD box.  What concerns me
at this point is the fact that tcpdump takes so long to respond.  If I
let it run, it will display a packet about one every 2 min.  They seem
to be in time order with timestamps only ms apart.

Let me know if any other information will help.

John A.



On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:16:51 +0200, abu khaled <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Well I am sure some one well help you if you provide more information
> about your network configuration/firewall rules,etc...
> 
> Do you have a firewall configured on the freebsd box/M$windoze?
> 
> --
> Kind regards
> Abu Khaled
>
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Re: How much HDD space does FreeBSD need?

[Kevin Kinsey]

Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:
Hi,
I'm wondering how much HDD space does FreeBSD need in a normal
installation. What I mean by the normal installation includes 'Full
X-Development' packages with Gnome. Oh, It's 5.3-RELEASE.
My HDD has 10G space for FreeBSD and I installed onto that space. The
FreeBSD installation was of no problem. However, once I tried to
upgrade Gnome 2.8 to 2.10, I've faced up a warning message at some
point that I am running out of HDD space. (I just executed the
recommend upgrade shell script from http://www.FreeBSD.org/gonme/)
Is 10G HDD space is not good enough?
Soo-Hyun
 

Well, it *should* be plenty.  How did you partition the drive?
Could you show us the output of "df", the output of
"cat /etc/fstab", and give the text and context of the
warning message you refer to?
Kevin Kinsey
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Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

[Kevin Kinsey]

Michael C. Shultz wrote:
adding my $0.02 to the pot
I hope FreeBSD folks have more pride in their product than
to allow a few malcontents cause a logo change.  If bestie goes
AWOL so may I.  Using a product when its own designers won't
stick by it seams unwise.
-Mike
 

For what values of "it"?  FreeBSD is an operating system,
not a logo.  Most people's decision to use the OS aren't
based on its mascot, I would hope.
FBSD has close ties with the "Beastie" artwork, to be sure; but
saying that the "designers won't stick by it" when referring
to artwork (rather than a "work of art"  --- that is, the system itself)
is a emotionally biased statement.  Not that such is inappropriate,
but to contend that FreeBSD isn't worthy to use because of
contention over "marketing" type issues also *seems* unwise
KDK
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Re: Mucking with other drive

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> Jerry,
> 
> Well, of course it's going to "muck with the other drive" what
> do you think writing the MBR does?  Do you want to risk the MS system
> not booting?  95% of the time it will work OK but what if her system
> is in that 5% of the time that it doesen't?  You going to go
> over to her house and fix it?  What if she's got some nutty drive
> program on there like diskmanager that neither of you know about that
> is already on the mbr?

Well, that is true.   That is what I said - except for writing the MBR,
which is mucking with that other drive, but not installing other stuff
over the top of things.   I don't know about those percentages.  I have 
never run in to that situation and had it fail.  Make sure you copy all 
impossible to replace files before doing anything like that anyway.
So, where does Carrie live?   Can I drive there?

> Carrie,
> 
> PC bioses only let you boot off of drive C.  If you install this
> other drive as drive D then during the installation FreeBSD is going
> to have to write a boot loader onto C so that when the PC boots
> it will load the boot loader, which will then load the FreeBSD system
> off drive D.

Yup.

> You need to leave well enough alone.  You can pick up older PC's for a
> song
> these days.  If you have critical data on your Dell then don't
> screw with it.  Find some other PC that someone's going to throw away
> and load FreeBSD on that.  You don't even need a monitor for it, you
> can telnet/ssh into it from your Dell system easily.

Sure, if you have that opportunity.But, I'd rather reboot and
have use of a decently fast recent machine than consign myself to
an old slow clunker for one or the other systems.

> 
> Dual-boot systems never work anyway.  The operator always ends up
> spending 99% of their time in one operating system.

Well, if you get used to FreeBSD, probably you will stick with
that most of the time to get any work done.   But, I find on 
this machine, I use both of the OSen pretty much every day.
That is mostly because I have to interact with people who need
things in MS.
But, dual boot does work and work quite well, actually.

jerry

> 
> Ted
> 
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RE: Stupid ASCII loader prompt

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael C.
> Shultz
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:42 AM
> To: RacerX
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt
> 
> 
> adding my $0.02 to the pot
> 
> I hope FreeBSD folks have more pride in their product than
> to allow a few malcontents cause a logo change.  If bestie goes
> AWOL so may I.  Using a product when its own designers won't
> stick by it seams unwise.
> 

It's important to understand that there's only 1 or 2 of the core
members that have sticks up their ass about this issue.  The rest
of them don't understand why it's necessary to waste time or labor
on this issue.

The question then becomes if your a core member, are you going to
bother to spend time on a logo change or not?  If the 1 or 2 core
members come up with a different logo, the rest of core probably isn't
going to expend effort on changing the logo, and all the work to do
this will rest on the shoulders of the 1 or 2 malcontents.

What I think is going to end up happening if they do get a decent
logo out of this contest, is that ultimately your going to see the
new logo used in a few places here and there on the Internet, and
your going to see beastie used at most other places.  It will simply
present more confusion to non-FreeBSD users if it does anything at
all.  Most likely it will do nothing at all, in the same way that
GM for example uses multiple brands for the same iron.

Ted
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Problems : make buildworld or make -DNOCLEAN buildworld

[José Nicolás Castellano]

Hi,
I update to the last cvs RELENG_5_3 and i tryed to:
/usr/src# make buildworld
and
/usr/src# make -DNOCLEAN buildworld
and...
===> gnu/usr.bin/texinfo
===> gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/libtxi
===> gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/makeinfo
===> gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/info
===> gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/infokey
===> gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/install-info
===> gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/texindex
===> gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/doc
===> rescue
cd: can't cd to /usr/src/rescue
*** Error code 2
Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/src.
What's wrong?
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SMART and bad block list?

[David Kelly]

On SCSI drives one could look at the bad block lists to see if it was
growing to know if a drive was getting sick. In the wee hours of the
morning one of my Hitachi HDS722516VLSA80's got sick:

Mar 17 03:04:39 Grumpy kernel: ad4: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (2 retries 
left) LBA=282857146
Mar 17 03:04:39 Grumpy kernel: ad4: FAILURE - READ_DMA timed out
Mar 17 03:04:39 Grumpy kernel: GEOM_VINUM: subdisk vinum0.p0.s0 state change: 
up -> down
Mar 17 03:04:39 Grumpy kernel: GEOM_VINUM: plex vinum0.p0 state change: up -> 
down

"atacontrol info" says SMART is enabled. So what does this do for me?
Has the drive exhausted its supply spare blocks and can no longer repair
itself?

While we are at it, the size of an LBA is 512 bytes? Putting the
problem block above at about 144G?

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Re: problem due to hostname change

[José Nicolás Castellano]

Pietro Cerutti wrote:
FreeBSD 5.4-PRERELEASE #10: Wed Mar  9 15:40:46 UTC 2005
   @:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GAHR
 

This is the name of name and hostname who compiles  FreeBSD 
5.4-PRERELEASE #10 Kernel

Don't Worry about this.
Then, when I try to start apache, I see this in my
/var/log/httpd-error.log, and apache won't start:
[Thu Mar 17 13:29:11 2005] [alert] mod_unique_id: unable to
gethostbyname("")
 

/usr/local/etc/apache2/httpd.conf : modify Servername clause to your 
hostname to fix this error

My question is: how can I change my hostname to  safely,
in a way that the  is not used anymore in any part of
the OS?
 

/etc/rc.conf : add line : hostname="your_hostname"
Simply
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RE: problem due to hostname change

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pietro Cerutti
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:42 AM
> To: FreeBSD; freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: problem due to hostname change
>
>
>
> Well I double check once more on my system!
>

Unless your system is the dns server you need to do as I suggested and
fix the DNS!!

Ted

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Re: FreeBSD 4.x Opteron Question

[RW]

On Wednesday 16 March 2005 20:05, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> You can generally run AMD64 machines in IA32 mode -- but what would be
> the point? All you get then is a machine that costs more than an
> equivalent IA32 box and that probably performs worse.

The core market for the AMD64 is 32-bit Windows XP desktop machines, and they 
are good value in that role. 

When I recently upgraded my PC, I noticed that a lot of retailers no-longer 
even have 32-bit AMD CPUs, except for low-speed Semperons.
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RE: Mucking with other drive

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

Jerry,

Well, of course it's going to "muck with the other drive" what
do you think writing the MBR does?  Do you want to risk the MS system
not booting?  95% of the time it will work OK but what if her system
is in that 5% of the time that it doesen't?  You going to go
over to her house and fix it?  What if she's got some nutty drive
program on there like diskmanager that neither of you know about that
is already on the mbr?

Carrie,

PC bioses only let you boot off of drive C.  If you install this
other drive as drive D then during the installation FreeBSD is going
to have to write a boot loader onto C so that when the PC boots
it will load the boot loader, which will then load the FreeBSD system
off drive D.

You need to leave well enough alone.  You can pick up older PC's for a
song
these days.  If you have critical data on your Dell then don't
screw with it.  Find some other PC that someone's going to throw away
and load FreeBSD on that.  You don't even need a monitor for it, you
can telnet/ssh into it from your Dell system easily.

Dual-boot systems never work anyway.  The operator always ends up
spending 99% of their time in one operating system.

Ted

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry
> McAllister
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:24 AM
> To: CARRIE WUERFEL
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Mucking with other drive
>
>
> >
> > I am currently stuck running Windows Me on a Dell Desktop
> Pentium 3 1ghrtz with 512mb ram.  I recently dusted off a old
> hard drive that contains a whole 2 gigs of hard drive space.
> I have installed the hard disk drive and am wanting to install
> "FreeBsd" on it.  Before I go about mucking things up, I just
> wanted to make sure that when I go to install FreeBsd it will
> not mess up the existing hard drive.  I have business and
> payroll progs on it.  I am also wondering if when installing
> there is an actual question asked by the installation prog for
> destination.  Sorry to be asking a stupid question, and I
> swear I read through your installation info until my eyes
> dried out and couldn't find the answers, so that is why I am
> bothering you.  I did try to find the answer first.  Anyways
> any help would be cool as I would really like to start
> relearning another operating system.
>
> If you do the install on the new old drive, it will not muck with
> the MS drive other than to write the MBR to make it know how to
> boot the FreeBSd drive.
>
> Now, of course, you could squeeze the MS junk down and install FreeBSD
> in a separate slice on the same drive as the MS junk.   But, that is
> a different story.
>
> jerry
>
> >
> > Andy
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Re: sshd behaviour

[Nathan Kinkade]

On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 08:04:48PM +0300, Eugene M. Minkovskii wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 10:00:44AM -0600, Nathan Kinkade wrote:
> " 
> " As another poster mentioned, the problem is likely related to DNS, and I
> " have experienced it as well.  If you are using Privilege Separation,
> " then an sshd process will chroot itself into /var/empty before
> " performing authentication.  /var/empty is itself usually empty.  One
> " thing you can do is to make the dir /var/empty/etc and then drop a copy
> " of your /etc/hosts file into the newly created /var/empty/etc/
> " directory.  You might want to make sure that the hosts file contains a
> " mapping to the LAN machines which you want to ssh from.
> " 
> " Keep in mind that /var/empty has the schg flag set, so you won't be able
> " to copy anything to it without disabling this first.  See more at `man
> " chflags`.  Try something like this:
> " 
> " # chflags -R noschg /var/empty
> " # mkdir /var/empty/etc
> " # cp /etc/hosts /var/empty/etc
> " # chflags -R schg /var/empty
> " 
> " This will likely clear up your problem.
> " 
> " Nathan
> 
> Thank you, Nathan. Can I put soft link into /var/empty/etc (this
> is crossdevice link, and I can't put hard link in it)? And does I
> realy need -R key in last command which you recomended? This mean
> that directory /var/empty/etc has schg flag too. Is it nessesery?

From `man sshd`:

/var/empty
chroot(2) directory used by sshd during privilege separation in the
pre-authentication phase.  The directory should not contain any files
and must be owned by root and not group or world-writable.

I assume you can follow these rules.  The noschg flags may be something
that the FreeBSD developers decided to do for added security, and I
don't see any practical reason to alter it.  Regarding soft/hard links
in the chrooted dir, I don't know if that would work.  I suspect no, as
it would somewhat defeat the purpose of the chroot.  Cross-device link
error: hard links will only work within a single filesystem, not across
multiple filesystems.

Nathan


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Re: problem due to hostname change

[Pietro Cerutti]

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:38:49 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pietro Cerutti
> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:05 AM
> > To: Lowell Gilbert
> > Cc: FreeBSD
> > Subject: Re: problem due to hostname change
> >
> > No, this is not the problem. I searched in httpd.conf but I didn't
> > find anything concerning my .
> >
> 
> When apache starts up if it don't have your hostname set in it's
> config file then it issues a system call asking what
> the hostname for the IP address is that is on your host.
> 
> whatever it gets back it then uses to setup a default website.  If you
> change the name of your host in /etc.rc.conf then it better also
> have been changed in any DNS servers that your system is using.
> 
> >
> > I'm sure I didn't set my  anywhere else than in rc.conf
> >
> 
> Did you check /etc/hosts
> 
> 
> Ted
> 
> 


Thanks Ted, Neo-Vortex and Eric.

nothing found with grep on /etc/* , /usr/local/etc* , /var/named/*
but I found this:

# grep  /var/*
Binary file /var/db matches
Binary file /var/mysql matches
Binary file /var/restoresymtable matches
#

Well I double check once more on my system!

Thank you!

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