RE: New FreeBSD Logo

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

>-Original Message-
>From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:31 AM
>To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List
>Subject: Re: New FreeBSD Logo
>
>
>Wow, Ted a top-poster!

Why not, no point making everyone reread the entire argument
all over again, I'm sure most people on the list have seen
it an enormous number of times already.

>
>A professional evaluation of "beastie" showed he was not a logo and  
>had served as a poor-one at that in his ersatz role as a wanna-be  
>logo.   (Note that I did not say that Beastie was poor but that he  
>had served as a poor logo based on professional criteria of what  
>makes a good logo).

So, we traded in Beastie, a difficult and expensive to print logo
that lost most resolution when shrunk down, for a difficult and
expensive to print logo that loses most resolution when shrunk
down.  Ah, this is progress.

Kind of like the automobile companies do, when they replace last
years difficult and expensive to service model because everything
is jammed into a too small engine bay, with this years difficult
and expensive to service model because everything is jammed into
a too small engine bay.  I got it now!

Ted
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Re: Enable plugin nppdf.so in firefox?

[cblasius]

>> Alexandre Biancalana wrote:
>> >> # cd /usr/ports/www/linuxpluginwrapper
>> >> # make all install clean
>> >> # cp 
/usr/local/share/examples/linuxpluginwrapper/libmap.conf-FreeBSD6

>> >> /etc/libmap.conf
>> >>
>> >> restart your firefox and open "about:plugins" url to see your 
installed

>> >> plugins

I menaged to do  it. Next I run firefox and go
Edit -> Preferences -> Downloads -> View & Edit Actions...
and then I obtain this message (worse than previous):

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ firefox
LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/
ENU/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so [/usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/ENU/Browser/
intellinux/nppdf.so: Undefined symbol "XtCalloc"]
LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library 
/usr/X11R6/lib/linux-mozilla/

plugins/nphelix.so [Shared object "libm.so.6" not found,
required by "nphelix.so"]
LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/X11R6/Adobe/
Acrobat7.0/ENU/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so [/usr/X11R6/Adobe/
Acrobat7.0/ENU/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so: Undefined symbol "XtCalloc"]
LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /home/john/.mozilla/
plugins/nppdf.so [/home/john/.mozilla/plugins/nppdf.so:
Undefined symbol "XtCalloc"]
LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/
ENU/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so [/usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/ENU/
Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so: Undefined symbol "XtCalloc"]

I also obtain this message when type in firefox:
about:plugins

I need your help.

Best regards,
cblasius

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RE: New FreeBSD Logo

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

He became a mascot only after the 'new-logo' people
started agitating for the sex-ball.  Prior to that all the
literature referred to him as a logo, when the word logo was
used.  (which wasn't often, but it was used)

This is nothing more than an argument of appeasement and
has been explained before in this forum, please quit insulting
our intelligence.  We all know that Beastie's place as the
logo has been supplanted, and your side won, and your crude
attempt to explain away Beastie is insulting.  You won, be
content with that.

Ted

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Björn König
>Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:35 PM
>To: Lawrence Horvath
>Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>Subject: Re: New FreeBSD Logo
>
>
>Lawrence Horvath schrieb:
>
>> I quite like the new logo, i think the new one is far more
>> professional then the old one, though i liked them both.
>
>I would say that there isn't an old one. Beastie is a little bit older
>than FreeBSD and I would understand it as mascot, not as a logo. So the
>new logo is not a replacement, but rather something that is missing for
>many years; and Beastie is still alive.
>
>Regards
>  Björn
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RE: New FreeBSD Logo

[Axel S. Gruner]

Am Mittwoch, den 10.05.2006, 02:05 -0700 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
> My guess is it will be a long, long time before you see CDROMs
> from anybody that have deleted Beastie and have the sex toy.

At LinuxTag 2006 in Wiesbaden we had prepared a lot of CDs with the new
Logo (what you call a "sex toy"?). We also used the new logo as a flag
on our booth. 
You will find a few pictures here: 
http://www.encephalon.de/photo/bsd_bilder/lt2006/index.html

So, the "long long time" was a really short time ;-).

Axel



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Re: New FreeBSD Logo

[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

On May 10, 2006, at 2:25 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:



He became a mascot only after the 'new-logo' people
started agitating for the sex-ball.  Prior to that all the
literature referred to him as a logo, when the word logo was
used.  (which wasn't often, but it was used)

This is nothing more than an argument of appeasement and
has been explained before in this forum, please quit insulting
our intelligence.  We all know that Beastie's place as the
logo has been supplanted, and your side won, and your crude
attempt to explain away Beastie is insulting.  You won, be
content with that.



Wow, Ted a top-poster!

A professional evaluation of "beastie" showed he was not a logo and  
had served as a poor-one at that in his ersatz role as a wanna-be  
logo.   (Note that I did not say that Beastie was poor but that he  
had served as a poor logo based on professional criteria of what  
makes a good logo).  Beastie has his place.


Chad



Ted


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Björn König
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:35 PM
To: Lawrence Horvath
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: New FreeBSD Logo


Lawrence Horvath schrieb:


I quite like the new logo, i think the new one is far more
professional then the old one, though i liked them both.


I would say that there isn't an old one. Beastie is a little bit  
older
than FreeBSD and I would understand it as mascot, not as a logo.  
So the
new logo is not a replacement, but rather something that is  
missing for

many years; and Beastie is still alive.

Regards
 Björn
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RE: New FreeBSD Logo

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

>-Original Message-
>From: Beech Rintoul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:41 AM
>To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>Cc: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC; Ted Mittelstaedt
>Subject: Re: New FreeBSD Logo
>
>
>That's all well and good, but I for one don't plan to replace 
>the "powered by" 
>beastie logo on any of my sites with that sex-toy. It would be 
>interesting to 
>see how many webmasters agree with me.
>

Webmasters have it easy, you get plenty of resolution on the Web
and as many colors as you want for free, and you can print as many
copies as you want for nothing.

The real litmus test will be if they come out with stickers that
people have to pay for, to see if those last as a product, and
when companies print up sales literature that they have to pay
for printing costs on, whether they choose the sex toy or Beastie.

My guess is it will be a long, long time before you see CDROMs
from anybody that have deleted Beastie and have the sex toy.

The one good thing about all this nonsense is that 5 years from
now when there are still hundreds of websites, marketing materials,
presentations, CDROMs, and such that prominently feature Beastie,
it will pretty much pull the fangs of the argument that "we need
to replace Beastie as a logo because as a devil he's causing too
many people to not use FreeBSD" which was the main argument that
triggered the entire contest and it's sex toy result.

Ted
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Re: New FreeBSD Logo

[Kyrre Nygard]

At 08:13 10.05.2006, Björn König wrote:

Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC schrieb:


And doesn't beastie represent the complete *BSD family, not just  FreeBSD?


I think so.

Björn


Please take this to the advocacy mailinglist.

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Unwanted repeated firewire bus reset

[Tim Clewlow]

Hello,

I have two firewire devieces, a pcmcia ieee1394
(firewire) card, and a digital video camera with a
firewire output plug.

I can get digital video from the camera and write it
to disk with the fwcontrol utility, and, I can play
back the dv (digital video) file with xdvplay.

When I play back the dv file, the sound and picture is
fine, which tells me that the pcmcia card is working
fine, and, the firewire driver is also working to some
extent. However, the problem is there are repeated
firewire bus resets occurring. Which interrupts the
stream of data coming in from the camera. So i get a
couple of seconds of playback, then noise, then a few
more seconds of playback.

There appears to be no apparent reason for the bus
reset, because there are only two firewire devices and
so there is no real need to constantly re-elect root
devices. Also, the data coming in from the camera is
(as far as I am aware) isochronous - which means the
camera just sends one frame of data every couple of
miliseconds, and does not do any error checking to see
if the frame arrived intact (similar to upd - send and
forget) - this is the normal way of transporting dv
data on firewire because it doesnt really matter if a
few pixels change color every now and then due to
noise.

So, given that there is no change in the device
topology - ie no firewire devices are being plugged in
or out, and, there is no error checking being done
with the dv data transport, is there any real need for
repeated bus resets, and is there any way I can
instruct the firewire driver to not bother with them
after the initial device detection reset has been
completed.

PS - here is a snippet of the ongoing bus resets - the
resets occur approximately once every 4-5 seconds -
for no apparent reason

Kind regards, Tim.

---

fwohci0: BUS reset
fwohci0: node_id=0x8000ffc0, gen=205, non CYCLEMASTER
mode
firewire0: 2 nodes, maxhop <= 1, cable IRM = 1
firewire0: bus manager 0 (me)
fwohci0: BUS reset
fwohci0: node_id=0xc000ffc0, gen=206, CYCLEMASTER mode
firewire0: 1 nodes, maxhop <= 0, cable IRM = 0 (me)
firewire0: bus manager 0 (me)
fwohci0: BUS reset
fwohci0: node_id=0x8000ffc0, gen=207, non CYCLEMASTER
mode
firewire0: 2 nodes, maxhop <= 1, cable IRM = 1
firewire0: bus manager 0 (me)
fwohci0: BUS reset
fwohci0: node_id=0xc000ffc0, gen=208, CYCLEMASTER mode
firewire0: 1 nodes, maxhop <= 0, cable IRM = 0 (me)
firewire0: bus manager 0 (me)


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Re: Enable plugin nppdf.so in firefox?

[cblasius]

>> >> Kevin G. Eliuk wrote:
>> >> Verify the symbolic link for
>> >> /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/nppdf.so
>> >>
>> >> it should be
>> >> -> /usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/ENU/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so

The symbolic link is OK.

Best regards,
cblasius

PS. I'm sorry for my messages, but I have also problem with my e-mail.
I send my messages to list 'freebsd-questions', but I haven't respond
from this list to my e-mail. So I go: 
http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/current/freebsd-questions.html

and read the answer. Then I write my answers and send them.

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OT: Torn between SCSI and SATA for RAID

[cknipe]

Hi,

I've been spending the last couple of days extensively looking at various
options for RAID and getting some storage system in place.  Performance is not
really a BIG issue, but I also don't want to have things hecticly slow either. 
This will be a NAS type of implementation so speed would be bound by relatively
speaking slow network connections in any case... 

Now first things first as well, I did look at Fiber Channels too - and the
tecnology is just to expensive and complex for a home type implementation that
I want this for.

Ideally, I'd like to start at 2TB of storage (yes, those movies must go
somewhere!), but I'd like to be able to grow this as times go by... I also
definately want redundancy on the data, as I just lost 80GB of precious data
when ironically, a 160GB SATA Seagate went out under me.

Now SCSI I know, is more expensive than SATA.  Whether it provides beter
performance than SATA I'm still uncertain off, but gut would tell me that due
to the cost factor, SCSI *should* run away as far as speed is concerned.  But
also as I said previously, speed and performance is not a priority for my
implementation and therefore it has very little weight.  This makes me look at
SATA then therefore.

My problem with SATA, is the whole 1 Port, 1 Drive scenario.  I've looked at the
Adaptec 16 Port SATA Controller.  The reviews I managed to get on that card on
the Internet, paints a very grim picture.  Buggered Firmware, the controller
destroys drives, and general sluggish performance.  Is anyone using this card
that can perhaps give me a better picture?

Given than the 16 Port (for now) is out of the question, I have a 8 Port, 4 Port
and 2 Port (which isn't really worth looking at even) available to me.  Now,
even with a 8 Port card... Let's look at what I can achieve:

Ports 1+2: 750GB Seagates (Biggest available), 1.5TB <- I'm short on my 2TB
Initial
Ports 3+4: Mirror of 1+2

Already, I am coming short of what I want to achieve, and I also have no
expansion available to me for upgrades... 

With the 16 Port cards, what I want to achieve becomes quite possible, up to
easy about 6TB of data - but I risk loosing drives *IF* what I read about the
card is true.  Also a gamble, considering the relatively high price of large
SATA drives.

Another thing that I read that I'm not completely sure about.  Some of the
Adaptec SCSI Cards advertises a max of 30 devices - some even more.  Excuse the
ignorance, but does the SCSI Bus not allow for a max of 8 devices?  Do these
cards then feature multiple buses to connect the cables to?  If so, SATA will
obviously not be able to provide something like this.

Now comes my question... Uhm.. Can SATA RAID Controllers be 'linked'.  Say, I
but 4 x 8-Port Adaptec SATA RAID Controllers... 2 x 8 Port Cards = 16 Ports for
1 RAID 5 Array (@ 750GB Drives, 12TB Max).  The other 2 cards, to mirror.  I
know that I can use one Controller to mirror another, but can I extend a array
across multiple controllers... And then naturally, just HOW much slower does
the array function?

I've seen some comments and posts (esp. on slashdot) made where people go about
running massive arrays successfully on SATA.  Given the limits on the Ports at
the controller, just how is this achieved?

Sorry that this is so OT, but I hope I'd get some good answers.  This is
definately not something that's been discussed allot before considering the
amount of info I got after spending a number of days on google... 

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Re: New FreeBSD Logo

[Beech Rintoul]

On Wednesday 10 May 2006 01:05, you wrote:
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Beech Rintoul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:41 AM
> >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> >Cc: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC; Ted Mittelstaedt
> >Subject: Re: New FreeBSD Logo
> >
> >
> >That's all well and good, but I for one don't plan to replace
> >the "powered by"
> >beastie logo on any of my sites with that sex-toy. It would be
> >interesting to
> >see how many webmasters agree with me.
>
> Webmasters have it easy, you get plenty of resolution on the Web
> and as many colors as you want for free, and you can print as many
> copies as you want for nothing.
>
> The real litmus test will be if they come out with stickers that
> people have to pay for, to see if those last as a product, and
> when companies print up sales literature that they have to pay
> for printing costs on, whether they choose the sex toy or Beastie.
>
> My guess is it will be a long, long time before you see CDROMs
> from anybody that have deleted Beastie and have the sex toy.
>
> The one good thing about all this nonsense is that 5 years from
> now when there are still hundreds of websites, marketing materials,
> presentations, CDROMs, and such that prominently feature Beastie,
> it will pretty much pull the fangs of the argument that "we need
> to replace Beastie as a logo because as a devil he's causing too
> many people to not use FreeBSD" which was the main argument that
> triggered the entire contest and it's sex toy result.
>
> Ted

The most interesting time I've had with beastie was setting up servers and a 
website for a Baptist org here in Alaska. I put beastie on the site thinking 
it would never be approved. They were seeking donations and were very 
sensitive about the site's image. Not only did the clergy approve the site 
with the "powered by" logo, they thought beastie was "cute". 

Even after several irate emails about displaying the "devil" on a church site, 
the logo remained. It was decided that several narrow minded people did not 
warrant removing it. I didn't even have to explain what a daemon is.

Several months later the site won an award at one of their national 
conventions. The plaque featured a screen shot of the front page complete 
with beastie!

If people are refraining from using FreeBSD because of beastie (which I don't 
believe), they really need to just grow up. If the Baptists don't have any 
problem with him, I can't imagine anyone else objecting.

Beech

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RE: New FreeBSD Logo

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chad Leigh --
>Shire.Net LLC
>Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:58 PM
>To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List
>Subject: Re: New FreeBSD Logo
>
>
>
>On May 9, 2006, at 11:34 PM, Björn König wrote:
>
>> Lawrence Horvath schrieb:
>>
>>> I quite like the new logo, i think the new one is far more
>>> professional then the old one, though i liked them both.
>>
>> I would say that there isn't an old one. Beastie is a little bit
>> older than FreeBSD and I would understand it as mascot, not as a
>> logo. So the new logo is not a replacement, but rather something
>> that is missing for many years; and Beastie is still alive.
>
>And doesn't beastie represent the complete *BSD family, not just
>FreeBSD?
>

No, the original BSD representation
(http://www.mckusick.com/beastie/jpg/foglio.jpg)
included many devils, not looking at all like Beastie.  The famous
"classic" artwork that most of the successive representations have been
based on was the
4.3BSD daemon drawn by John Lasseter.  It also didn't hurt that John went
on to do Toy Story and so on.

Many BSD variants have used variations of the Lasseter artwork simply
because it was such a good image, it captured the essense of BSD at
the time - bursting onto the scene yet still fragile and young.

But not all BSD variants used and use Beastie.  BSDI only used him a
few times, OpenBSD uses the blowfish, not Beastie, NetBSD uses the
flag.  Although, both NetBSD and OpenBSD have used modified Beastie
images in the past.

The sad truth is that FreeBSD has really gone way downhill in the
logo department.  We traded in a logo drawn by a true professional
who is one of the famous great graphic artists of our time, for a amateur
ping-pong ball drawn by a nobody in a nickel and dime contest.

Ted

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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[Kep Woof]

hi,

On 5/9/06, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Then take this to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  It's just flame bait here.


I don't want a chat, I want to know where I can find out how we ended
up with such a terrible logo.  It seems people think it's a big joke? 
The new logo already looks dated, and will only get worse with time.


I'm trying to make a serious point.  Imagine if imacs were still made
of transparent coloured plastic.  So if this is the wrong list (which
was a concern I mentioned in the first line of my original post) where
is the right list?

I'm not saying save beasite, although I personally think he's awesome.
I'm saying think about the future. FreeBSD Tshirt sales are going to
plummet.


kep
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Re: jails or chroot?

[Iantcho Vassilev]

On 5/9/06, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On May 9, 2006, at 5:53 AM, Michael Grant wrote:

>
> When it comes time to upgrade, how does one upgrade 100 different
> jails?  This will be a nightmare!

Actually, not.  You only need 1 master jail and a bunch of nullfs
read only mounts plus some exclusive space for each jail.I run 44
jails at the moment this way.  Upgrading is relatively easy as I only
have to upgrade one master jail (and unfortunately lots of jail etc
if such happens but a few scripts can automate much of that).

I basically set up

/local/jails/master  and install according to man jail into this
place.  I never start this jail.

I happen to use disk backed md devices as the root for each jail.  I
mount each on on /local/jail/

Then I do

/sbin/mount_nullfs -o ro /local/jails/master/bin /local/jails/adcmw/bin
/sbin/mount_nullfs -o ro /local/jails/master/lib /local/jails/adcmw/lib
/sbin/mount_nullfs -o ro /local/jails/master/libexec /local/jails/
adcmw/libexec
/sbin/mount_nullfs -o ro /local/jails/master/sbin /local/jails/adcmw/
sbin
/sbin/mount_nullfs -o ro /local/jails/master/usr /local/jails/adcmw/usr
/sbin/mount -t procfs proc /local/jails/adcmw/proc
devfs_domount /local/jails/adcmw/dev devfsrules_jail
devfs_set_ruleset devfsrules_jail /local/jails/adcmw/dev
/sbin/devfs -m /local/jails/adcmw/dev rule -s 4 applyset

In my master jail I have some symlinks so that each jail has its own /
usr/local/ that is writable.

All the jails run out of one installed jail and they also have the
side benefit of the main system directories being read only so
exploits in one jail cannot affect all the running jails.





Wow,
I really like the setup you have make..

One question.How do you update the system(and the jail) ?
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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[jad]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/05/2006 11:42:17:

> hi,
> 
> On 5/9/06, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Then take this to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  It's just flame bait here.
> 
> I don't want a chat, I want to know where I can find out how we ended
> up with such a terrible logo.  It seems people think it's a big joke? 
> The new logo already looks dated, and will only get worse with time.
>
 
This happened ages ago and was announced in the news section of the 
website

See - http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/

John
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Re: kern.randompid: jot generation senseful?

[Nikos Vassiliadis]

On Tuesday 09 May 2006 17:13, Frank Steinborn wrote:
> Nikos Vassiliadis wrote:
> > Isn't kern.randompid a boolean? TRUE or FALSE?
>
> No.
>
> > It is just on or off. 1 means PIDs are random.
> > 0 means PIDs are sequential. to be exact, everything
> > not being 0, is TRUE.
>
> That is not true. Peter Pentchev once wrote:
>
> "The kern.randompid sysctl is not a boolean flag, but an estimate of
> the random value that will be added to each newly created pid. For
> more information, read the comments in src/sys/kern/kern_fork.c before
> the sysctl_kern_randompid() function (around line 150). The function
> itself ignores sysctl settings of less than 2."
>

Excuse my ignorance. It was an unlucky guess...
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Re: New FreeBSD Logo

[Beech Rintoul]

On Wednesday 10 May 2006 00:30, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
> On May 10, 2006, at 2:25 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > He became a mascot only after the 'new-logo' people
> > started agitating for the sex-ball.  Prior to that all the
> > literature referred to him as a logo, when the word logo was
> > used.  (which wasn't often, but it was used)
> >
> > This is nothing more than an argument of appeasement and
> > has been explained before in this forum, please quit insulting
> > our intelligence.  We all know that Beastie's place as the
> > logo has been supplanted, and your side won, and your crude
> > attempt to explain away Beastie is insulting.  You won, be
> > content with that.
>
> Wow, Ted a top-poster!
>
> A professional evaluation of "beastie" showed he was not a logo and
> had served as a poor-one at that in his ersatz role as a wanna-be
> logo.   (Note that I did not say that Beastie was poor but that he
> had served as a poor logo based on professional criteria of what
> makes a good logo).  Beastie has his place.
>
> Chad

That's all well and good, but I for one don't plan to replace the "powered by" 
beastie logo on any of my sites with that sex-toy. It would be interesting to 
see how many webmasters agree with me.

Beech


>
> > Ted
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Björn König
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:35 PM
> >> To: Lawrence Horvath
> >> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> >> Subject: Re: New FreeBSD Logo
> >>
> >> Lawrence Horvath schrieb:
> >>> I quite like the new logo, i think the new one is far more
> >>> professional then the old one, though i liked them both.
> >>
> >> I would say that there isn't an old one. Beastie is a little bit
> >> older
> >> than FreeBSD and I would understand it as mascot, not as a logo.
> >> So the
> >> new logo is not a replacement, but rather something that is
> >> missing for
> >> many years; and Beastie is still alive.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>  Björn
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proftpd & jail

[trobalo]

we have a problem with proftp running in a jail

-> pf.conf

ext_if="em0"

ip_ext="*.*.*.*"

ip_jail="127.0.0.3"

rdr on $ext_if proto tcp from any to $ip_ext port 20 -> $ip_jail port 20
rdr on $ext_if proto tcp from any to $ip_ext port 21 -> $ip_jail port 21
rdr on $ext_if proto tcp from any to $ip_ext port 49152:52000 ->
$ip_jail port 49152:52000


pass in log quick on $ext_if proto tcp from any to $ip_jail port 20
flags S/SAFR keep state

pass in log quick on $ext_if proto tcp from any to $ip_jail port 21
flags S/SAFR keep state

pass in log quick on $ext_if proto tcp from any to $ip_jail port 49151
 >< 52001
pass out log quick on $ext_if proto tcp from $ip_jail port 49151 ><
52001 to any


-> proftpd.conf

ServerName "SERVER X"
ServerType standalone
DefaultServer on
ScoreboardFile /var/run/proftpd.scoreboard
ExtendedLog /var/log/proftpd.log

AllowForeignAddress on
PassivePorts 49152 52000
IdentLookups off

DisplayConnect /etc/motd
Port 21
Umask 022

MaxInstances 30

User nobody
Group nogroup

AllowOverwrite on


DenyAll


-> proftp log:

*.*.*.* UNKNOWN test [09/May/2006:10:36:23 +0100] "NOOP" 200 -
*.*.*.* UNKNOWN test [09/May/2006:10:36:23 +0100] "CWD
/usr/home/teste/" 250 -
*.*.*.* UNKNOWN test [09/May/2006:10:36:23 +0100] "TYPE A" 200 -
*.*.*.* UNKNOWN test [09/May/2006:10:36:23 +0100] "PASV" 227 -
*.*.*.* UNKNOWN test [09/May/2006:10:36:24 +0100] "USER anonymous" 331 -
*.*.*.* UNKNOWN nobody [09/May/2006:10:36:24 +0100] "PASS (hidden)" 530 -
*.*.*.* UNKNOWN test [09/May/2006:10:36:24 +0100] "NOOP" 200 -
*.*.*.* UNKNOWN test [09/May/2006:10:36:24 +0100] "CWD
/usr/home/test/" 250 -
*.*.*.* UNKNOWN test [09/May/2006:10:36:24 +0100] "TYPE A" 200 -
*.*.*.* UNKNOWN test [09/May/2006:10:36:24 +0100] "PASV" 227 -
*.*.*.* UNKNOWN nobody [09/May/2006:10:36:27 +0100] "USER test" 331 -
*.*.*.* UNKNOWN test [09/May/2006:10:36:27 +0100] "PASS (hidden)" 230 -
*.*.*.* UNKNOWN test [09/May/2006:10:36:27 +0100] "OPTS utf8 on" 501 -
*.*.*.* UNKNOWN test [09/May/2006:10:36:27 +0100] "PWD" 257 -
*.*.*.* UNKNOWN test [09/May/2006:10:36:27 +0100] "NOOP" 200 -
*.*.*.* UNKNOWN test [09/May/2006:10:36:27 +0100] "CWD
/usr/home/test/" 250 -
*.*.*.* UNKNOWN test [09/May/2006:10:36:27 +0100] "TYPE A" 200 -
*.*.*.* UNKNOWN test [09/May/2006:10:36:27 +0100] "PASV" 227 -

If we use ftp browse (firefox, IE) or ms-dos we can?t open ftp contents,
it appears the login window but after that show this error:

"An error occurred opening that folder on the FTP Server. Make sure that
you have permission to access that folder

drwx-- 3 test wheel 512 May 8 18:48 teste

using chmod 777 the error continues.

sugestions?
thanks a lot



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Re: New FreeBSD Logo

[Beech Rintoul]

On Wednesday 10 May 2006 00:18, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jonathan Horne
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:23 PM
> >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> >Subject: Re: New FreeBSD Logo
> >
> >
> >i dont mind saying that i think i must be about the only one
> >who likes the
> >new art.  i think its very modern looking, crisp and abreviated,
> >un-childish, but at the same time not too serious or ominous.
> >
> >ive actually thought about printing out some examples of both versions,
> >carrying it down to our artists in our print studio, and "taste testing"
> >them with professional artists who couldnt give one care about anything
> >technical.  *shrug* would be an interesting experiment, to say
> >the least.
>
> Someone already posted a professional analysis.  The summary was that
> the new logo was amateurish with some serious flaws.  Amateurish because
> a ball is about the easiest thing you can produce in Photoshop and very
> unoriginal.  Serious flaws because due to all the shading this logo is
> impossible to accurately reproduce on small items like business cards,
> and on larger items the shading makes it very expensive to reproduce due
> to the number of colors used.
>
> At the end of the day you need to ask yourself, will having this logo
> help FreeBSD to sell more copies?  That's the litmus test that is used
> for logos - after all if it does not help market penetration, it's a big
> waste of time.  The problem here is that FreeBSD is noncommercial so the
> question is rather a moot issue.  In short, the Project needed a new logo
> like a boar needs teats.
>
> Ted

To me it looks like something that would be associated with an inexpensive 
kids toy company, not a professional OS.

Just my $.02

Beech
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RE: New FreeBSD Logo

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jonathan Horne
>Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:23 PM
>To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>Subject: Re: New FreeBSD Logo
>
>
>i dont mind saying that i think i must be about the only one
>who likes the
>new art.  i think its very modern looking, crisp and abreviated,
>un-childish, but at the same time not too serious or ominous.
>
>ive actually thought about printing out some examples of both versions,
>carrying it down to our artists in our print studio, and "taste testing"
>them with professional artists who couldnt give one care about anything
>technical.  *shrug* would be an interesting experiment, to say
>the least.
>

Someone already posted a professional analysis.  The summary was that
the new logo was amateurish with some serious flaws.  Amateurish because
a ball is about the easiest thing you can produce in Photoshop and very
unoriginal.  Serious flaws because due to all the shading this logo is
impossible to accurately reproduce on small items like business cards,
and on larger items the shading makes it very expensive to reproduce due
to the number of colors used.

At the end of the day you need to ask yourself, will having this logo
help FreeBSD to sell more copies?  That's the litmus test that is used
for logos - after all if it does not help market penetration, it's a big
waste of time.  The problem here is that FreeBSD is noncommercial so the
question is rather a moot issue.  In short, the Project needed a new logo
like a boar needs teats.

Ted

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Re: Upgrade 5.4 - 6.0 errors.

[Ben Hacker Jr]

I am following the instructions from /usr/src/UPGRADING

   To upgrade in-place from 5.x-stable or higher to 6.x-stable
   ---
   
   make buildworld [9]
   make kernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE   [8]
   [1]
[3]
   mergemaster -p  [5]
   make installworld
   mergemaster -i  [4]
   

I am still getting the same error/failure when building the Kernel.  (I 
also tried "make buildkernel...")


Subhro wrote:


On 5/9/06, Ben Hacker Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Is there a way to clean out my /usr/src directory and start from 
scratch (cvsup)

in case it is corrupted some how??



rm -rf /usr/src/*





$ su root -c "make kernel KERNCONF=HACK06"



The correct command is make buildkernel KERNCONF=HACK06
and not make kernel

You need to read the handbook :-)




Thanks and Best Regards
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] uname -a
FreeBSD hackserver.family.hom 5.4-STABLE FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE #0: Mon Sep 
12 08:18:05 EDT 2005 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/HACK05  i386


[EMAIL PROTECTED] su root -c "make buildkernel KERNCONF=HACK06"
...
MAKE=/usr/obj/usr/src/make.i386/make sh /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh HACK06
cc -c -O -pipe  -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs 
-Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline 
-Wcast-qual  -fformat-extensions -std=c99 -g -nostdinc -I-  -I. 
-I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica 
-I/usr/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/ipfilter 
-I/usr/src/sys/contrib/pf -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath 
-I/usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/freebsd -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/ngatm 
-I/usr/src/sys/dev/twa -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include 
opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=8000 --param 
inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000  
-mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2  -mno-mmx 
-mno-3dnow -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -ffreestanding -Werror  vers.c

linking kernel.debug
if_ural.o(.text+0x3bb): In function `ural_attach':
/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:458: undefined reference to 
`ieee80211_ieee2mhz'
if_ural.o(.text+0x3ef):/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:463: undefined 
reference to `ieee80211_ieee2mhz'
if_ural.o(.text+0x427):/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:468: undefined 
reference to `ieee80211_ieee2mhz'
if_ural.o(.text+0x4bb):/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:480: undefined 
reference to `ieee80211_ieee2mhz'
if_ural.o(.text+0x4e2):/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:487: undefined 
reference to `ieee80211_ifattach'
if_ural.o(.text+0x513):/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:493: undefined 
reference to `ieee80211_media_status'
if_ural.o(.text+0x51e):/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:493: undefined 
reference to `ieee80211_media_init'
if_ural.o(.text+0x580):/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:507: undefined 
reference to `ieee80211_announce'

if_ural.o(.text+0x628): In function `ural_detach':
/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:535: undefined reference to 
`ieee80211_ifdetach'

if_ural.o(.text+0x73a): In function `ural_free_tx_list':
/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:595: undefined reference to 
`ieee80211_free_node'

if_ural.o(.text+0x8f6): In function `ural_media_change':
/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:673: undefined reference to 
`ieee80211_media_change'

if_ural.o(.text+0x9ac): In function `ural_next_scan':
/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:699: undefined reference to 
`ieee80211_next_scan'

if_ural.o(.text+0xb17): In function `ural_task':
/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:756: undefined reference to 
`ieee80211_beacon_alloc'

if_ural.o(.text+0xc77): In function `ural_txeof':
/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:826: undefined reference to 
`ieee80211_free_node'

if_ural.o(.text+0xd9d): In function `ural_rxeof':
/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:890: undefined reference to 
`ieee80211_find_rxnode'
if_ural.o(.text+0xdb3):/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:893: undefined 
reference to `ieee80211_input'
if_ural.o(.text+0xdbb):/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:896: undefined 
reference to `ieee80211_free_node'

if_ural.o(.text+0x1364): In function `ural_tx_data':
/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:1218: undefined reference to 
`ieee80211_crypto_encap'

if_ural.o(.text+0x185c): In function `ural_start':
/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:1321: undefined reference to 
`ieee80211_find_txnode'
if_ural.o(.text+0x1894):/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:1328: undefined 
reference to `ieee80211_encap'
if_ural.o(.text+0x18a3):/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:1330: undefined 
reference to `ieee80211_free_node'
if_ural.o(.text+0x18db):/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/if_ural.c:1338: undefined 
reference to `ieee80211_free_node'

if_ural.o(.text+0x19c8): In function `ural_watchdog':
/usr/s

RE: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[fbsd]

As a long time reader of this list I did not see any
announcement of it here. Only after selection of the
new logo was made was it talked about on this list
People were very up set with it them and the ground
swell over this has only gotten bigger.

Loyal long time users are feeling insulted about being
left out from the decision about the need for a new logo.
A post in the archive give some lame reasons for a new logo
which many people disagreed with even then but still the
new legal FreeBSD foundation went ahead any how put it
on the official website.

I for one do not see an need to change the logo at all.

I would say special effort was made to keep this whole
new logo thing a secret from the general user population.

That also goes for the formation of the new legal FreeBSD
foundation.
Not a word of it happening on this list until it was a done deal.
You can see from this thread just how big a stink this is making.

Lets point the finger at the real reason for the new logo.
As part of the new legal FreeBSD foundation, the people who
set it up though it's better to own the complete rights
to the logo. So being pressed for time they choose to keep it
off the questions list and pushed it through selecting what
ever logo they had just to meet the filing dead line for
the new legal FreeBSD foundation formation.

For those of you who think this subject is flame bait,
YOU ARE WHY THIS NEW LOGO IDEA WAS EVEN ABLE TO GET OFF
THE GROUND IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Sham on you, shut your pie hole.


I want to know the email addresses of the people in control of
the new foundation and everyone on this list who does not like
the new logo  and/or the way in which it was forced upon us
should email them to voice our dissatisfaction directly to them.
Because its obvious posting on this list has no effect or value
in determining what happens to the legal FreeBSD organization
and thus the logo used to represent us.

If you want your voice in this matter to be effective you have
to email those in legal control of the FreeBSD foundation.
It's time they stop hiding and become accountable for
their collective actions.






-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:48 AM
To: Kep Woof
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/05/2006 11:42:17:

> hi,
>
> On 5/9/06, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Then take this to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  It's just flame bait here.
>
> I don't want a chat, I want to know where I can find out how we
ended
> up with such a terrible logo.  It seems people think it's a big
joke?
> The new logo already looks dated, and will only get worse with
time.
>

This happened ages ago and was announced in the news section of the
website

See - http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/

John
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switching to postfixadmin and converting passwords for mail-users

[albi]

hi,

i've been testing dovecot+postfix+postfixadmin and i'm very happy with
the results!

postfixadmin-website : http://high5.net/postfixadmin/

now i wonder how to convert passwords (from the traditional
password-file) from the old (normal) setup to this mysql-based setup
with virtual users

i've googled around for a while and looked at the postfixadmin-FAQ, and
found nothing yet

of course i can make the new install available for the users and provide
them with random passwords and then let them change it themselves, but a
script or something would be much easier and faster

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Re: switching to postfixadmin and converting passwords for mail-users

[albi]

albi wrote:

> now i wonder how to convert passwords (from the traditional
> password-file) from the old (normal) setup to this mysql-based setup
> with virtual users

ahum, sorry for the noise,

i just realised that of course dovecot+mysql does the auth when
connecting to imap, so no need to convert at all

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RE: New FreeBSD Logo

[fbsd]

As a long time reader of this list I did not see any
announcement of it here. Only after selection of the
new logo was made was it talked about on this list.
People were very up set with it them and the ground
swell over this has only gotten bigger.

Loyal long time users are feeling insulted about being
left out from the decision about the need for a new logo.
A post in the archive give some lame reasons for a new logo
which many people disagreed with even then but still the
new legal FreeBSD foundation went ahead any how putting it
on the official website removing the "beastie" logo.

I for one do not see any need to change the logo at all.
It's just as professional as the "penguin".

I would say special effort was made to keep this whole
new logo thing a secret from the general user population.

That also goes for the formation of the new legal FreeBSD
foundation.
Not a word of it happening on this list until it was a done deal.
You can see from this thread just how big a stink this is making.

Lets point the finger at the real reason for the new logo.
As part of the new legal FreeBSD foundation, the people who
set it up though it's better to own the complete legal rights
to the logo. The "beastie" logo legal rights is owned by
an individual. So being pressed for time they choose to keep it
off the questions list and pushed it through selecting what
ever logo they had just to meet the filing dead line for
the new legal FreeBSD foundation formation.

For those of you who think this subject is flame bait,
YOU ARE WHY THIS NEW LOGO IDEA WAS EVEN ABLE TO GET OFF
THE GROUND IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Sham on you, shut your pie hole.


I want to know the email addresses of the people in control of
the new foundation and everyone on this list who does not like
the new logo  and/or the way in which it was forced upon us
should email them to voice our dissatisfaction directly to them.
Because its obvious posting on this list has no effect or value
in determining what happens to the legal FreeBSD organization
and thus the logo used to represent us.

If you want your voice in this matter to be effective you have
to email those in legal control of the FreeBSD foundation.
It's time they stop hiding and become accountable for
their stupid collective actions.


Its time the FreeBSD foundation offer an binding vote by the general
user population from all the FreeBSD lists to settle this question
once and for all about the "beastie" logo being the
official FreeBSD foundation logo. This even includes our brothers
and sisters in other countries who have their own FreeBSD.org
websites and don't even know about this logo problem yet.











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Re: switching to postfixadmin and converting passwords for mail-users

[albi]

albi wrote:

> i just realised that of course dovecot+mysql does the auth when
> connecting to imap, so no need to convert at all

hmm, i better wake up properly with some more coffee, because this is
completely nonsense

my original question is still valid,
in the meantime i've found this :

http://forums.high5.net/index.php?showtopic=1477&pid=18724&st=0&#entry18724
but that's for converting qmail/vpopmail to postfixadmin

afaik that still doesn't use the traditional password-file based password

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Re: Filesystem corruption when drives are mirrored, but not otherwise

[Alastair Rankine]

On 02/05/2006, at 10:18 PM, I wrote:

The story is this: two identical WD 250GB SATA drives, attached to  
a Promise FastTrak S150 TX2plus.


The drives work fine independently (ie non-mirrored). But when I  
mirror them using GEOM, I get filesystem corruption (see below for  
example fsck output).


It seems that this was caused by the (infamous) problem when  
softupdates and write caching are both enabled. Disabling write  
caching seems to have fixed the problem.


Unfortunately the disk write performance is woeful. There must be a  
better way surely?


Is anyone using GEOM mirrors on ATA disks with softupdates and write  
caching? If so, what's your secret?




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Re: New FreeBSD Logo

[Bill Moran]

On Tue, 9 May 2006 19:04:49 -0700
jekillen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am not offended by the new or the old 
> logo, accept that there seems to be too much
> of a trend toward cartoon character art. This, I presume is to appeal 
> to the child in us all. But seriously when do we
> actually get to be grownups.

I don't want to be a grownup.  If FreeBSD ever gets serious enough
that it makes me feel like a grownup, I'll switch careers.

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Re: OT: Torn between SCSI and SATA for RAID

[Jim Stapleton]

I've found that scsi isn't exceptionally faster given similar RPMs, or
even slightly higher RPM (ex. a 10K RPM SCSI vs. 10K RPM SATA drive
would have simlar performance). However, SCSI tends to high tighter
standards, and you get the following advantages, which in some cases
are worth the money, and in some cases arent:

(1) More reliable/accurate reads/writes
(2) Longer expected lifespan


My advice for reliability is a RAID-1 setup with the most
cost-effective disks you can find, then use the OS to do a drive
spanning so you can put them in the same mount point (when it runs to
the end of a disk, it starts on the next). I'm not sure if the drive
spanning is possible though - I've not looked into it, though given
that Windows can do it, I don't see why FreeBSD would have trouble.

If that is still too expensive, you could try RAID-5, but the problem
with that is, adding new disks wouldn't be quite as easy, you may not
be able to use the RAID set until you get the replacement disk, and
it's not quite as fast (I could be wrong on this part) as RAID1 in the
case of writes.



with a 8 Port card... Let's look at what I can achieve:
Ports 1+2: 750GB Seagates (Biggest available), 1.5TB <- I'm short on my 2TB
Initial
Ports 3+4: Mirror of 1+2


Maybe I'm missing something, where ports 4-8 (actually, 0 + 4-7)? With
8 500GB drives, and RAID1, you should be able to get 2TB out of that
(and more cost effective than 750GB drives)

Have you considered using two controller cards?



nother thing that I read that I'm not completely sure about.  Some of the
Adaptec SCSI Cards advertises a max of 30 devices - some even more.  Excuse the
ignorance, but does the SCSI Bus not allow for a max of 8 devices?  Do these
cards then feature multiple buses to connect the cables to?  If so, SATA will
obviously not be able to provide something like this.


8 devices, 1 is the controller, I think some newer busses hold 16
devices, is is the controlelr, (so 7 or 15 drives).

Now, a card may have multiple busses. I have an A-Ha 39160 in my
machine, and if I remember correctly it has 2 busses on it (or is it
three?), I don't use it to nearly it's capacity, I just got it for the
price of a 19160, and I couldn't turn down that option.



Now comes my question... Uhm.. Can SATA RAID Controllers be 'linked'.  Say, I
but 4 x 8-Port Adaptec SATA RAID Controllers... 2 x 8 Port Cards = 16 Ports for
1 RAID 5 Array (@ 750GB Drives, 12TB Max).  The other 2 cards, to mirror.  I
know that I can use one Controller to mirror another, but can I extend a array
across multiple controllers... And then naturally, just HOW much slower does
the array function?


The array will be using system cpu/memory, so quite a bit, and it'll
cause a hit on system perofrmance, however, the trick here is you can
do what I mentioned above with some trickery (I think), and just have
the OS "link" the two file systems, it's not any RAID form, and
shouldn't cost much performance.
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Re: OT: Torn between SCSI and SATA for RAID

[Bill Moran]

On Wed, 10 May 2006 12:00:00 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've been spending the last couple of days extensively looking at various
> options for RAID and getting some storage system in place.  Performance is not
> really a BIG issue, but I also don't want to have things hecticly slow 
> either. 
> This will be a NAS type of implementation so speed would be bound by 
> relatively
> speaking slow network connections in any case... 

http://www.seagate.com/content/docs/pdf/whitepaper/D2c_More_than_Interface_ATA_vs_SCSI_042003.pdf

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Samba Domain Problem

[Kariuki Kaboro]

Hi,
  I successfuly installed FreeBSD 5.4 with Samba 3.02 off the ports  
collection. However, there is one problem. The windows machines i am  trying to 
add to my domains give me an error that they cannot contact  the local domain 
controller.
  
  Thanks.
  
  Kaboro Phares.
  

Yours Truly,

Phares Kariuki

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mount_smbfs locking?

[Zahemszky Gábor]

Hi!

Are there any mechanism to "lock" files (as the Win-clients), shared by
a Windows-server, and reached on a smbfs-mounted file system? I haven'
found any mount options in mount_smbfs's manual.

Bye,

Gábor

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securing beyond the handbook

[Jim Stapleton]

I'm about to get a static IP and direct outside access for my BSD box
(before it was hidden behind a firewall/NAT). I was comfortable with
the level of security I've had, but with the whole "open to the
outside world" setup I'll have, what would you suggest for securing
it?

I'll be running:
Apache
PHP
MySQL
SSH/SFTP
OpenRPG (only occasionally, from a special nonpriv account)

Any suggestions, any of these that you know are such huge security
holes that you would absolutely demand something else be run?

Any other security suggestions?

Thanks,
-Jim
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Question on NFS performance

[Valerio daelli]

Hi all
we have a FreeBSD 5.4 exporting some NFS filesystem to a cluster of gentoo boxes
(kernel 2.6.12).
Our exported storage disk is an Apple XRaid.
We have Gigabit Ethernet both on the client and the server.
We would like to improve our read performance.
This is our performance:

about 10Mb reading a file of 1Gb with dd

and iozone confirms this result.
We already use the normal optimization flags (we use rpc.lockd and
rpc.statd, on the client we have
read size 65536 and a read ahead of 4 blocks, the async options).
Is our performance the best we can get? Can we improve it?
Thanks for your help

Valerio Daelli
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Re: Samba Domain Problem

[Derek Ragona]

You would do better to post to the samba list.  WHen you post to that list 
you should specify what domain controllers (are they win2k domain 
controllers, active directory, what server OS is the primary controller) 
you have, and how you want your samba server to integrate into this 
domain/forest.


-Derek

At 08:06 AM 5/10/2006, Kariuki Kaboro wrote:

Hi,
  I successfuly installed FreeBSD 5.4 with Samba 3.02 off the 
ports  collection. However, there is one problem. The windows machines i 
am  trying to add to my domains give me an error that they cannot 
contact  the local domain controller.


  Thanks.

  Kaboro Phares.


Yours Truly,

Phares Kariuki

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Re: New FreeBSD Logo

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> As a long time reader of this list I did not see any
> announcement of it here. Only after selection of the
> new logo was made was it talked about on this list.
> People were very up set with it them and the ground
> swell over this has only gotten bigger.

It was clearly announced with dates and how to make submissions
and all and then the closure of the submissions was announced.
There was a lot of griping on the list about why bother and
such, but not much real objection until the robo-beastie - or
would it be space-beastie - was chosen.

Though I am not fond of the new thing, it is not because the process
of acquiring it was not announced.   I do think there was a failure
to get better input on the candidates after submissions were made.
The process, or lack thereof, of selecting was rather lame.

> Loyal long time users are feeling insulted about being
> left out from the decision about the need for a new logo.

They were not left out, except by their own choice of not making
any submission.

> A post in the archive give some lame reasons for a new logo
> which many people disagreed with even then but still the
> new legal FreeBSD foundation went ahead any how putting it
> on the official website removing the "beastie" logo.
> 
> I for one do not see any need to change the logo at all.
> It's just as professional as the "penguin".
> 
> I would say special effort was made to keep this whole
> new logo thing a secret from the general user population.

Nope, it was well publicized.

> That also goes for the formation of the new legal FreeBSD
> foundation.
> Not a word of it happening on this list until it was a done deal.
> You can see from this thread just how big a stink this is making.

Many words were posted.

> Lets point the finger at the real reason for the new logo.
> As part of the new legal FreeBSD foundation, the people who
> set it up though it's better to own the complete legal rights
> to the logo. The "beastie" logo legal rights is owned by
> an individual. So being pressed for time they choose to keep it
> off the questions list and pushed it through selecting what
> ever logo they had just to meet the filing dead line for
> the new legal FreeBSD foundation formation.

Maybe, who knows.

> 
> For those of you who think this subject is flame bait,
> YOU ARE WHY THIS NEW LOGO IDEA WAS EVEN ABLE TO GET OFF
> THE GROUND IN THE FIRST PLACE.
> 
> Sham on you, shut your pie hole.

That was unnecessary and adds nothing to the discussion.

> I want to know the email addresses of the people in control of
> the new foundation and everyone on this list who does not like
> the new logo  and/or the way in which it was forced upon us
> should email them to voice our dissatisfaction directly to them.
> Because its obvious posting on this list has no effect or value
> in determining what happens to the legal FreeBSD organization
> and thus the logo used to represent us.

> If you want your voice in this matter to be effective you have
> to email those in legal control of the FreeBSD foundation.
> It's time they stop hiding and become accountable for
> their stupid collective actions.

Use whatever logo you want.
Give up trash talking.

> Its time the FreeBSD foundation offer an binding vote by the general
> user population from all the FreeBSD lists to settle this question
> once and for all about the "beastie" logo being the
> official FreeBSD foundation logo. This even includes our brothers
> and sisters in other countries who have their own FreeBSD.org
> websites and don't even know about this logo problem yet.

There never has been a binding vote on anything outside of possibly
the core group.   Why would a dumb piece of graphics need it.
You are missing something.

jerry

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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[Kep Woof]

Hi,

thanks for the pointer..

On 5/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This happened ages ago and was announced in the news section of the
website

See - http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/


However, where were the other designs?  I think a contest was
potentially a good idea, but my suspicion is that the entries were
rather poor, and the current logo was simply the best of a bad bunch?
It seems wierd that only commiters were given a vote - while I respect
their technical judement without quarrel, geeks don't seem to have the
same grasp on aesethetics as a design agency.

Take a look at the netbsd logo if you want to see how it's done.  It
means something.  It's neat.  It represents the project.  What we (the
users) seem to have ended up with is a fussy and unelegent logo that
has nothing to do with anythin, save for a pair of post-modern ice
cream cones harking back to beastie.

The simple fact is, when you look at the new logo it only makes sense
if you previously understand what it represents.  The effect is that
it represents nothing in particular, which is why it fails so
fantasically.  What are the key values of FreeBSD?  I'd guess
something like Freedom, Stability, Robustness, quality.  Those values
are not communicated in the new logo, and I think that's something
that somebody with freebsd.org in their email address should seriously
address.

kep
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Re: Enable plugin nppdf.so in firefox?

[Kevin G. Eliuk]

cblasius wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ firefox
LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library 
/usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/

ENU/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so [/usr/X11R6/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/ENU/Browser/
intellinux/nppdf.so: Undefined symbol "XtCalloc"]
LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library 
/usr/X11R6/lib/linux-mozilla/

plugins/nphelix.so [Shared object "libm.so.6" not found,
required by "nphelix.so"]
When I did my last update using portmanager I had to make some symbolic 
links to existing libraries to avert error messages such as


/lib/libm.so.6 -> /lib/libm.so.3

and that seemed to fix the problem.

I am also experiencing some problem with Linux-realplayer-10 and it's 
willingness to register with firefox to play rm,ram,rv,mp3,ogg,wav. 
etc..  The only thing it  registers is rpm.


Cheers,

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RE: New FreeBSD Logo

[fbsd]

The point being it was not  announced  on the questions list.
The point being the logo affects all the users just not the core
committers.

Quite trying to make a non-subject out of something that effects us
all.
The official logo represents all of us users to the world as a
whole.

Cant you get that through your collectives heads.

How dare you be little this subject.

Maybe you are to close to the internal FreeBSD business to be able
to see
the turn meaning of what changing the logo means to the users.

Maybe now is the time to ask the list if that want to vote on
keeping the new logo? Or on if a new logo is wanted at all?




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McAllister
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:25 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Beech Rintoul;
Chad
Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
Subject: Re: New FreeBSD Logo


>
> As a long time reader of this list I did not see any
> announcement of it here. Only after selection of the
> new logo was made was it talked about on this list.
> People were very up set with it them and the ground
> swell over this has only gotten bigger.

It was clearly announced with dates and how to make submissions
and all and then the closure of the submissions was announced.
There was a lot of griping on the list about why bother and
such, but not much real objection until the robo-beastie - or
would it be space-beastie - was chosen.

Though I am not fond of the new thing, it is not because the process
of acquiring it was not announced.   I do think there was a failure
to get better input on the candidates after submissions were made.
The process, or lack thereof, of selecting was rather lame.

> Loyal long time users are feeling insulted about being
> left out from the decision about the need for a new logo.

They were not left out, except by their own choice of not making
any submission.

> A post in the archive give some lame reasons for a new logo
> which many people disagreed with even then but still the
> new legal FreeBSD foundation went ahead any how putting it
> on the official website removing the "beastie" logo.
>
> I for one do not see any need to change the logo at all.
> It's just as professional as the "penguin".
>
> I would say special effort was made to keep this whole
> new logo thing a secret from the general user population.

Nope, it was well publicized.

> That also goes for the formation of the new legal FreeBSD
> foundation.
> Not a word of it happening on this list until it was a done deal.
> You can see from this thread just how big a stink this is making.

Many words were posted.

> Lets point the finger at the real reason for the new logo.
> As part of the new legal FreeBSD foundation, the people who
> set it up though it's better to own the complete legal rights
> to the logo. The "beastie" logo legal rights is owned by
> an individual. So being pressed for time they choose to keep it
> off the questions list and pushed it through selecting what
> ever logo they had just to meet the filing dead line for
> the new legal FreeBSD foundation formation.

Maybe, who knows.

>
> For those of you who think this subject is flame bait,
> YOU ARE WHY THIS NEW LOGO IDEA WAS EVEN ABLE TO GET OFF
> THE GROUND IN THE FIRST PLACE.
>
> Sham on you, shut your pie hole.

That was unnecessary and adds nothing to the discussion.

> I want to know the email addresses of the people in control of
> the new foundation and everyone on this list who does not like
> the new logo  and/or the way in which it was forced upon us
> should email them to voice our dissatisfaction directly to them.
> Because its obvious posting on this list has no effect or value
> in determining what happens to the legal FreeBSD organization
> and thus the logo used to represent us.

> If you want your voice in this matter to be effective you have
> to email those in legal control of the FreeBSD foundation.
> It's time they stop hiding and become accountable for
> their stupid collective actions.

Use whatever logo you want.
Give up trash talking.

> Its time the FreeBSD foundation offer an binding vote by the
general
> user population from all the FreeBSD lists to settle this question
> once and for all about the "beastie" logo being the
> official FreeBSD foundation logo. This even includes our brothers
> and sisters in other countries who have their own FreeBSD.org
> websites and don't even know about this logo problem yet.

There never has been a binding vote on anything outside of possibly
the core group.   Why would a dumb piece of graphics need it.
You are missing something.

jerry

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6.1_RELEASE / mergemaster error

[Bryan Curl]

I humbly apologize if this is a repost. Googles Gmail has been very 
unpredictable lately, so in frustration I am resending this from my ol' 
faithful ISP mailbox since last nights post never seemed to make it to 
the list.


I am upgrading from 6.1_RC (something like that) to 6.1_RELEASE using 
CVSUp &  RELENG_6.1 tag
After make installworld I ran the final run through of mergemaster and 
received this error:


ERROR CODE 64
FATAL ERROR: Cannot 'dc' into /usr/src/etc/ and install files to the 
temproot environment.


Cant say how far it got before this error but it looked like it was 
going along pretty good.
Upon reboot there were at least one system files missing, like hosts. 
I'm not sure if other files failed to copy on as well.
I was in single user mode and did the fsck and mounts as described in 
the manual. I chmod 777 on that directory but that did not help.


Also noticed samba did not start from rc.conf although it loads and runs 
from the prompt. But these may or may not  be a symptom of the error.


Should I be concerned about this? How I fix and move on?

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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[Bill Moran]

On Wed, 10 May 2006 13:49:20 +
"Kep Woof" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

> Take a look at the netbsd logo if you want to see how it's done.  It
> means something.  It's neat.  It represents the project.  What we (the
> users) seem to have ended up with is a fussy and unelegent logo that
> has nothing to do with anythin, save for a pair of post-modern ice
> cream cones harking back to beastie.

My brother went to school for graphic arts.  When the contest was
announced, we spend _several_weeks_ brainstorming, he and I, trying
to come up with something that looked as cool as the NetBSD logo, while
representing FreeBSD.

We finally gave up without making a submission.  The problem is that
NetBSD (and OpenBSD as well, for that matter) somehow have more culture
to them on the graphic arts side.  NetBSD has long had the image of
daemons raising the flag (mirroring the WWII photograph) which
translated nicely into a logo.  OpenBSD has long had the Blowfish,
which can be rendered a number of interesting ways.

And FreeBSD has what?  The Beastie ... but the Beastie is *BSD in
general, so what else is there ... ?

> The simple fact is, when you look at the new logo it only makes sense
> if you previously understand what it represents.  The effect is that
> it represents nothing in particular, which is why it fails so
> fantasically.  What are the key values of FreeBSD?  I'd guess
> something like Freedom, Stability, Robustness, quality.  Those values
> are not communicated in the new logo, and I think that's something
> that somebody with freebsd.org in their email address should seriously
> address.

You're exactly right.  Somebody other than you should take care of this.
This is everyone's fault but yours.  If you'd been in the loop from the
start, this never would have happened.  My goodness, why didn't we
consult you earlier ... you obviously have all the answers.

This is free software man, if you don't like it, fix it
yourself.  If you can't fix it, _ask_ someone else, or put up some
cash to pay someone who can.  But quit whining.

You are a Troll.  If you weren't a Troll, you'd have taken this to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of staying on this
list.

Go use Microsoft, they pay professional graphic artists big bucks to
design their logos and their marketing materials, and you fund that
with your Windows license fees.

Or, _contribute_ something back to the wonderful free software
community other than a lengthy email thread of whining.

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Re: New FreeBSD Logo

[DAve]

fbsd wrote:

As a long time reader of this list I did not see any
announcement of it here. Only after selection of the
new logo was made was it talked about on this list.
People were very up set with it them and the ground
swell over this has only gotten bigger.


http://pixelhammer.com/aw_jeez.jpg

This has gone too far. Searching shows that the FreeBSD questions list 
had mention of this over a year ago.


http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-questions/2005-February/076063.html

To be blunt about it, you and everyone else had their chance. My wife, a 
designer, knew FreeBSD had a logo contest and she wouldn't know FreeBSD 
from a martian if it were not for my T-shirt.


Anyone could have contributed. But like beta testing, most simply 
ignored the request to participate, preferring to wait until someone 
else did the hard work and made the tough decisions, then chose to bitch 
when the result was not want they wanted. It's apathy. Yea, I'm more 
than annoyed and this has been a long time coming.


How many people actually keep a development server running just to help 
open source developers test patches or updates, even when those patches 
and updates do not affect them?


How many donate to the souls who write the tools we use every day? Or do 
they just read the maillists when they need help, never offering to help 
others, and then get an attitude when the help they request doesn't 
arrive? A lot.


I constantly dog my employers to donate, let me have work time to help 
out on lists, purchase the books (Mailscanner and Rails) that help the 
developers, keep a development box for testing. They complain even 
though they could not compete in the market place had they been required 
to purchase licenses for all the software they use.


The Internet is the industry that open source built, and it has created 
a society of hand out junkies who think they should get everything their 
way, for free, right now.


This job isn't fun anymore.

DAve

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RE: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org

[fbsd]

Thank you for making my point.
This should have been announced on all lists.
Just not the announcement list.
Changing the logo is really a big thing.

See the outcome of the short sightedness of that decision.

And why should just the core committers be
the only ones given a vote.
Most of them are too busy to even have been
aware this was happening.

Many professional logo design people never even knew about
the contest to redesign the logo because it was not posted
to the questions list where everyone reads.

What makes you think that the announcement list gets even
a fraction of the readers the questions list does.

Hell the questinos list gets enought junk post all ready,
what's the harm in posting such an inportment message to the
list to begin with, not doing so makes no sense at all.

Somebody messed up big time and now they have to deal with the
results of their stupid mistakes.

You core committer people have to break out of this
private club mentality thing you all adhere to.

The logo effects all users and as such we should have vote in the
matter.
What were you all thinking? This was a bad idea from the get go.


Just because core committer have the ability to write high level
code
does not give them the right to thumb your collective noses
at the rest of us users in the matter of needing a new logo.

In moving to an new legal status by forming the FreeBSD
foundation us users just look the other way just long as
the software stays free of cost and no new legal restraints
are imposed on the software use.

But changing the logo effects all users and sham on you
self righteous snobs to even think you have the right to
exclude the user community from the logo decision.

Get off your high horses and serve your users like your suppose to.


I think the new logo should be shit canned and the whole
question of replaceing the "beastie" logo brought up for
a general vote bye all members of all the Freebsd mailing lists.

Your negtave comments are foundless.
A public vote is not an logistical near-impossibility.
Hell just creating a special list to submit an email
to as your yes or not vote is a simple solution and other
solutions could be found one way or the other.

If you are insulted by my comments then I guess you
belong the self righteous snobs group and I dont care about you.

This is address the the users who like me are out raged by this.

If you dont like the new logo then lets make our combined voices
 make a differance by emailing the new foundation's forming members.




-Original Message-
From: Nick Withers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org


On Wed, 10 May 2006 08:13:24 -0400
"fbsd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As a long time reader of this list I did not see any
> announcement of it here.

That's because this is the freebsd-questions list. It was
announced on the freebsd-announce list. Y'know, the one where
announcements are made...

> Only after selection of the new logo was made was it
> talked about on this list People were very up set with it
> them and the ground swell over this has only gotten bigger.

Again, this is the freebsd-questions list. I don't really think
that this is actually the most appropriate place for discussion
of such things (and therefore I should probably apologise for
contributing to this lil' thread!).

> Loyal long time users are feeling insulted about being
> left out from the decision about the need for a new logo.
> A post in the archive give some lame reasons for a new logo
> which many people disagreed with even then but still the
> new legal FreeBSD foundation went ahead any how put it
> on the official website.
>
> I for one do not see an need to change the logo at all.

Perhaps not, but then again, this is why there's a core team to
make decisions for the project. Granted they're not elected by
every user who's ever heard the word "FreeBSD", but I can't
even begin to imagine the logistical near-impossibility this
would be.

Committers were given the chance to vote, and voted for the new
design (again, see http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/,
which also has a link to the archived original announcement
to freebsd-announce).

> I would say special effort was made to keep this whole
> new logo thing a secret from the general user population.

See above, it was announced very publically on the
freebsd-announce list.

(snip)

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:48 AM
> To: Kep Woof
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/05/2006 11:42:17:
>
> > hi,
> >
> > On 5/9/06, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Then take this to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  It's just flame bait
here.
> >
> > I don't want a chat, I want to know where I can find out how we
> ended
> > up with such a ter

Re: question about putty

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> i have a question about  putty after i log in to my  putty.exe  and i want 
> to go  add oper but after when i login with my password  and login name 
> what do i need to  type after please emailed me back thanks

I guess, I don't really understand what you are asking.
Where are you adding 'oper'?   Is it on a FreeBSD system or
do you mean to give that name to a connection configuration
within PuTTY?

If you want to create a new user named 'oper' on a FreeBSD you need
to study creating new user accounts on FreeBSD.   Check the FreeBSD
handbook on the FreeBSD website or get one of the good books on
FreeBSD.

If you mean to add a named connection under PuTTY configuration, just
put the name in the window and click on save.

If you mean something else, you will have to explain with more detail.

jerry

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FreeBSD 6.1 is now available for download

[fbsd]

This is just a short note to inform all the list readers that 6.1 is
available.

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Re: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org

[Richard Collyer]

fbsd wrote:

Thank you for making my point.
This should have been announced on all lists.
Just not the announcement list.
Changing the logo is really a big thing.


Yes. But the point of having a announce list is so that important 
announcements are not jumbled in with lots of "where can I download 
freebsd".


Does anyone else think its a logo get over it? When was the last time an 
IT admin went I installed Win 2k3 becuase it has that cool logo thing 
that I like for a screensaver?



Regards,
Richard
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Re: New FreeBSD Logo

[Jeff Rollin]

> Ted

The most interesting time I've had with beastie was setting up servers and
a
website for a Baptist org here in Alaska. I put beastie on the site
thinking
it would never be approved. They were seeking donations and were very
sensitive about the site's image. Not only did the clergy approve the site
with the "powered by" logo, they thought beastie was "cute".



Well, as we're  on a religious theme, Thank God for common sense. How many
religious people worldwide even HAVE devils in their religion, I wonder.

Even after several irate emails about displaying the "devil" on a church

site,
the logo remained. It was decided that several narrow minded people did
not
warrant removing it. I didn't even have to explain what a daemon is.



Again, amen. Do we really want narrow-minded people in our community? Does
anyone?

Several months later the site won an award at one of their national

conventions. The plaque featured a screen shot of the front page complete
with beastie!



That's devilishly good news,

If people are refraining from using FreeBSD because of beastie (which I

don't
believe), they really need to just grow up.



Hear, hear

If the Baptists don't have any

problem with him, I can't imagine anyone else objecting.



I can, but  then as you say, they need to grow up.

Jeff.
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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[Kep Woof]

Hi,

On 5/10/06, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


You're exactly right.  Somebody other than you should take care of this.


I'm trying to understand what has happened and why.  I'm trying to
take care of this, and you, with your accusations and vitriol are'nt
helping.  I want to understand the process by which the logo was
chosen so I may influence future decisions.


This is everyone's fault but yours.  If you'd been in the loop from the
start, this never would have happened.  My goodness, why didn't we
consult you earlier ... you obviously have all the answers.


Excuse me?  Now this is clearly flame baiting.


This is free software man, if you don't like it, fix it
yourself.


What is the procedure to fix a logo?  A logo doesn't work the same as
a piece of source code, which is why commiters shouldn't have been the
only people with an opinion that counts.  It's the users that use the
software.  We're an essential part of the community, we buy cd's, show
our friends, retire windows boxes here and there.  The logo is our
badge, and anyone that's ever been to a convention knows that.


If you can't fix it, _ask_ someone else, or put up some
cash to pay someone who can.


I can't help but think that cash has little to do with this.  I'm sure
between us we could raise a few thousand dollars for someone to design
a proper logo, but i'm sure it's not as simple as that.


But quit whining.


I'm not whining, I'm trying to understand.


You are a Troll.  If you weren't a Troll, you'd have taken this to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of staying on this
list.


I'm not a troll.  It seems like a rather convenient way to silence
someone to me.  Is my question advocacy related?  I don't think so. 
It has a much wider scope than that.



Go use Microsoft, they pay professional graphic artists big bucks to
design their logos and their marketing materials, and you fund that
with your Windows license fees.


How is that related or helpful?


Or, _contribute_ something back to the wonderful free software
community other than a lengthy email thread of whining.


I'm trying to, but it has to start somewhere.  I'm trying to
understand how the logo was chosen, and why.  It would seem to have
far greater ramifications than you think.


kep
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vote for keeping "beastie" as official logo

[fbsd]

If you are as dissatisfied with the new official logo 
as I am, then forward this email to the FreeBSD federation 
board of directors at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear FreeBSD federation board of directors:

I am upset with the manner in which it was decided 
that a new logo was needed.

Only posting a message that this was happening on the 
announcement list was an big mistake as it left out 
the users who promote FreeBSD at the grass roots 
level from knowing about it. An change of this 
magnitude should have been broadcast to all lists 
to get the widest based input possible.

I sincerely hope this deception was not on 
purpose as it looks that way.
 
Furthermore the new logo design is not satisfactory 
and does not represent the wants of the user community 
as shown by the multiple posts on the questions 
list of late.


My vote is for keeping the beastie image as the 
official FreeBSD logo and removing the sex toy 
logo from publication.




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"Anatomy of a Troll" by Bill Moran

[Bill Moran]

Notice how the following was snipped out of the reply:

"The simple fact is, when you look at the new logo it only makes sense
if you previously understand what it represents.  The effect is that
it represents nothing in particular, which is why it fails so
fantasically.  What are the key values of FreeBSD?  I'd guess
something like Freedom, Stability, Robustness, quality.  Those values
are not communicated in the new logo, and I think that's something
that somebody with freebsd.org in their email address should seriously
address."

Now, the following quote by me was in direct response to this:

"You're exactly right.  Somebody other than you should take care of this."

I think my reply makes perfect sense when viewed with Kep's statement.
However, Kep then goes on to _remove_ the words he said, and then claim
that he said something different - as shown below:

"> I'm trying to understand what has happened and why.  I'm trying to
> take care of this, and you, with your accusations and vitriol are'nt
> helping.  I want to understand the process by which the logo was
> chosen so I may influence future decisions."

I'm uncertain as to how claiming that "somebody with freebsd.org in
their email address" should fix it does _not_ constitute "Somebody
other than you should take care of this"

So, note well the feeding habits of the Troll.  He tricks his prey
by making inflammatory statements, then attempts to escape by pretending
those statements were never made.

There are other examples of this "Inflame then dodge" technique
in this thread.  I'll leave their discovery as an exercise to the
reader.  How many can _you_ find?

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Re: New FreeBSD Logo

[Greg Barniskis]

fbsd wrote:

The point being it was not  announced  on the questions list.


Non-technical announcements are not in the questions@ charter.


The point being the logo affects all the users just not the core
committers.


And it affects you in exactly the same way as thousands of other 
choices made by core without your explicit involvement or approval. 
Love the new feature and use it, or, don't use it. It's real simple.


Why don't the complainers on this subject seem to understand that 
they are in no way compelled to adopt, deploy, endorse or enjoy the 
project logo? Use Beastie if you like, there is absolutely no one 
telling you that you can't (except, um, its copyright holder).



Quite trying to make a non-subject out of something that effects us
all.


Quit using question@ as a beauty contest / "user rights" forum, 
please. It *is* far OT, especially since there are other forums 
specifically for such subject matter.


The logo issue is a horse that has been solidly beaten to death, 
raised as a zombie, chased with torches and pitchforks, burnt to 
crispiness, buried and then (surprise!) brought to life again this 
week for another 1,001 rounds of beating and flaming. Tiresome, really.


No one is belittling the subject, only pointing out that it's both 
OT and done with. The appearance of the logo on the Web site is not 
a beginning, it's a finality. If you want to hack and burn the 
undead, go play Oblivion. ;)



Maybe now is the time to ask the list if that want to vote on
keeping the new logo? Or on if a new logo is wanted at all?


Wrong forum, years too late.


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Re: New FreeBSD Logo

[Jeff Rollin]

I'm going to put my 2 cents (or at the current conversion rate, 1 (British)
penny!) in here, I think.

I consider myself a new FreeBSD user. I have used it before (around 4.8),
but never really did much with it. I find that I don't very often dual boot
OSes, so I've had nothing but Gentoo on my desktop till now. I finally
decided to put FreeBSD 6.0 on my laptop, alongside SuSE, and give it a try.

I don't expect to have a "vote" on whether the FreeBSD logo is any good or
not. But I can still express an opinion.

I'm here to tell you that Beastie has recognition from outside the community
as well. That's what logos are for. We in the BSD community, new members as
well as old, know who we are. As I said, I did not vote on the new logo
business, but if I did, I would have said no.

Why didn't I? Well it wasn't because I agreed with it, or because I didn't
know about it. I simply didn't consider that I had a right to vote, given
that at the time I wasn't even using FreeBSD. People can, and do, use the
FreeBSD logo to spread awareness of the OS. That is a good thing. I take the
view FreeBSD is intimately connected with Beastie. If the "corporate" and
"religious fundie" arguments hold water, then why is Beastie still the
FreeBSD mascot?

I disagreed because, apart from not seeing the point of pandering to a few
religious fundies (and those among you who object to such a characterisation
should know that I consider myself pretty religious, too, just not a
fundie), as I said, Beastie has brand recognition. Sometimes, it's true, you
just HAVE to bite the bullet and get a new brand, but there's no point doing
it unless its absolutely necessary. I can't remember the last time I saw a
different version of the IBM logo except on sites about IBM history. Why?
Because people recognize it. It has the advantage of not being too closely
identified with a particular era, of course, but so does Beastie. For
another example of the same, I believe SONY will suffice.

For a few years I've had THE DESIGN AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE 4.4BSD O.S. It
has Beastie on the cover. I'd be more concerned about looking like a geek in
synagogue if someone caught me there with it, than a Satanist.

I think I'm justified in saying that Linux distributions are more widely
accepted than probably all the BSD's put together, certainly in terms of
brand recognition amongst the wider public. Having a penguin as the logo
doesn't seem to have hurt, even when you consider that (for whatever
reason), the root of Linus's fondness for penguins comes from being bitten
by one.

When ST:TOS came out, the production co. wanted to drop Spock because they
thought his appearance was too "devilish", despite the fact that in the
first (pilot) episode, he *even smiled*. Needless to say, Roddenberry (sp?)
stuck to his guns and today Spock is one of the best-loved ST characters,
known even outside the Star Trek fan community. I'm sure a few religious
fundies still probably object to him (have they found a passage in Leviticus
implying "God hates aliens/logic" yet?).

My question to you is this: Who amongst the fanbase, the wider public, or at
Paramount gives a damn?

Turned into more like my 2 pounds, but there we go.

Yours,

Jeff.
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Re: vote for keeping "beastie" as official logo

[Jonathan Horne]

>
> If you are as dissatisfied with the new official logo
> as I am, then forward this email to the FreeBSD federation
> board of directors at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Dear FreeBSD federation board of directors:
>
> I am upset with the manner in which it was decided
> that a new logo was needed.
>
> Only posting a message that this was happening on the
> announcement list was an big mistake as it left out
> the users who promote FreeBSD at the grass roots
> level from knowing about it. An change of this
> magnitude should have been broadcast to all lists
> to get the widest based input possible.
>
> I sincerely hope this deception was not on
> purpose as it looks that way.
>
> Furthermore the new logo design is not satisfactory
> and does not represent the wants of the user community
> as shown by the multiple posts on the questions
> list of late.
>
>
> My vote is for keeping the beastie image as the
> official FreeBSD logo and removing the sex toy
> logo from publication.
>
>
>

you should also note in this letter, that it only applies to people who
dont read a minimum of "slashdot".

*wink*

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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[Jeff Rollin]

> Take a look at the netbsd logo if you want to see how it's done.  It
> means something.  It's neat.  It represents the project.  What we (the
> users) seem to have ended up with is a fussy and unelegent logo that
> has nothing to do with anythin, save for a pair of post-modern ice
> cream cones harking back to beastie.

My brother went to school for graphic arts.  When the contest was
announced, we spend _several_weeks_ brainstorming, he and I, trying
to come up with something that looked as cool as the NetBSD logo, while
representing FreeBSD.



The NetBSD sucks too, imao-fyi.
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Re: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org

[Erik Trulsson]

On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 10:25:32AM -0400, fbsd wrote:
> Thank you for making my point.
> This should have been announced on all lists.
> Just not the announcement list.

Wrong.  That is exactly what the announcment list is for.

> Changing the logo is really a big thing.

Not really.

> 
> See the outcome of the short sightedness of that decision.

Yeah, we get lots of whining people like yourself wasting bandwidth.

> 
> And why should just the core committers be
> the only ones given a vote.

Since they are the ones doing most of the job, it seems like
a reasonable place to draw the line.

> Most of them are too busy to even have been
> aware this was happening.

Really?


> 
> Many professional logo design people never even knew about
> the contest to redesign the logo because it was not posted
> to the questions list where everyone reads.

Not everyone reads the questions list.  Heck, not even all the
developers do, due to the low signal/noise ratio here.

> 
> What makes you think that the announcement list gets even
> a fraction of the readers the questions list does.

The fact that it is a much more important list to read.
If you only read one freebsd.org mailing list it should be
announce@ since that is where all important announcments are made
(including security advisories.)

> 
> Hell the questinos list gets enought junk post all ready,

Yes, but that does not mean you have to provide even more evidence
of that.

> what's the harm in posting such an inportment message to the
> list to begin with, not doing so makes no sense at all.
> 
> Somebody messed up big time and now they have to deal with the
> results of their stupid mistakes.
> 
> You core committer people have to break out of this
> private club mentality thing you all adhere to.
> 
> The logo effects all users and as such we should have vote in the
> matter.

Bullshit.


> What were you all thinking? This was a bad idea from the get go.
> 
> 
> Just because core committer have the ability to write high level
> code
> does not give them the right to thumb your collective noses
> at the rest of us users in the matter of needing a new logo.
> 
> In moving to an new legal status by forming the FreeBSD
> foundation us users just look the other way just long as
> the software stays free of cost and no new legal restraints
> are imposed on the software use.
> 
> But changing the logo effects all users and sham on you
> self righteous snobs to even think you have the right to
> exclude the user community from the logo decision.
> 
> Get off your high horses and serve your users like your suppose to.

You seem to be under the misapprehension that the developers
have any obligations to you.  That is not the case.

> 
> 
> I think the new logo should be shit canned and the whole
> question of replaceing the "beastie" logo brought up for
> a general vote bye all members of all the Freebsd mailing lists.

And I think you should stop whining about the logo and do something
useful instead.

> 
> Your negtave comments are foundless.

Much like your allegations then?

>
> A public vote is not an logistical near-impossibility.
> Hell just creating a special list to submit an email
> to as your yes or not vote is a simple solution and other
> solutions could be found one way or the other.
> 
> If you are insulted by my comments then I guess you
> belong the self righteous snobs group and I dont care about you.
> 
> This is address the the users who like me are out raged by this.
> 
> If you dont like the new logo then lets make our combined voices
>  make a differance by emailing the new foundation's forming members.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nick Withers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:37 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org
> 
> 
> On Wed, 10 May 2006 08:13:24 -0400
> "fbsd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > As a long time reader of this list I did not see any
> > announcement of it here.
> 
> That's because this is the freebsd-questions list. It was
> announced on the freebsd-announce list. Y'know, the one where
> announcements are made...
> 
> > Only after selection of the new logo was made was it
> > talked about on this list People were very up set with it
> > them and the ground swell over this has only gotten bigger.
> 
> Again, this is the freebsd-questions list. I don't really think
> that this is actually the most appropriate place for discussion
> of such things (and therefore I should probably apologise for
> contributing to this lil' thread!).
> 
> > Loyal long time users are feeling insulted about being
> > left out from the decision about the need for a new logo.
> > A post in the archive give some lame reasons for a new logo
> > which many people disagreed with even then but still the
> > new legal FreeBSD foundation went ahead any how put it
> > on the official website.
> >
> > I for one do not see an need to change the logo at all.
> 
> Perhaps not,

pam_userdb.so: Where is it?

[Kyrre Nygard]

Hello!

Does anybody know where pam_userdb.so has gone?
Linux has it, but apparently FreeBSD does not.

I need it to set up virtual users with vsftpd.

I've been in contact with others with the same problem:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-November/104571.html

As well as Freenode #vsftpd.

But nobody seems to know what the PAM module for Berkeley DB files is at.

Or perhaps somebody can suggest alternate methods?

Thanks,
Kyrre

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Re: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org

[Jeff Rollin]

Does anyone else think its a logo get over it? When was the last time an
IT admin went I installed Win 2k3 becuase it has that cool logo thing
that I like for a screensaver?



I think it's a bigger problem than that. When was the last time Steve
Ballmer responded to a complaint that his shiny new elephant d*ck
screensaver crashed the system with the words "Go fuck yourself"? That's the
kind of response some who claim to be high-ups in the FreeBSD community are
giving here.

That kind of attitude helps no one, least of all FreeBSD's reputation.
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Re: Question on NFS performance

[Kris Kennaway]

On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:54:39PM +0200, Valerio daelli wrote:
> Hi all
> we have a FreeBSD 5.4 exporting some NFS filesystem to a cluster of gentoo 
> boxes
> (kernel 2.6.12).
> Our exported storage disk is an Apple XRaid.
> We have Gigabit Ethernet both on the client and the server.
> We would like to improve our read performance.
> This is our performance:
> 
> about 10Mb reading a file of 1Gb with dd
> 
> and iozone confirms this result.
> We already use the normal optimization flags (we use rpc.lockd and
> rpc.statd, on the client we have
> read size 65536 and a read ahead of 4 blocks, the async options).
> Is our performance the best we can get? Can we improve it?

"5.4" and "filesystem performance" cannot be said together in the same
sentence.  Upgrade to 6.1.

Kris


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Re: transparent proxy with FreeBSD

[Iantcho Vassilev]

You can safely use any doc about transparent squid + linux..
Only the syntax of PF is different.But there is an example in
openbsd.org/faq/pf
For ipfilter use the appropriate man page..




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Is there any docs on setting up transparent proxy using squid, ipf,
ipnat + freebsd-5.3?

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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[jedrek]

Hi,

> However, where were the other designs?  

I was wondering about that myself...

> Take a look at the netbsd logo if you want to see how it's done.  

Netbsd logo is very nice indeed.

> The simple fact is, when you look at the new logo it only makes sense
> if you previously understand what it represents.  The effect is that
> it represents nothing in particular, which is why it fails so
> fantasically.  What are the key values of FreeBSD?  I'd guess
> something like Freedom, Stability, Robustness, quality.  Those values
> are not communicated in the new logo, and I think that's something
> that somebody with freebsd.org in their email address should seriously
> address.

Kep totally has a point here.  Freebsd need's a logo that represents
what the name stands for and the "sex toy" isn't it.  

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Re: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org

[Kyrre Nygard]

At 17:42 10.05.2006, Jeff Rollin wrote:


Does anyone else think its a logo get over it? When was the last time an
IT admin went I installed Win 2k3 becuase it has that cool logo thing
that I like for a screensaver?



I think it's a bigger problem than that. When was the last time Steve
Ballmer responded to a complaint that his shiny new elephant d*ck
screensaver crashed the system with the words "Go fuck yourself"? That's the
kind of response some who claim to be high-ups in the FreeBSD community are
giving here.

That kind of attitude helps no one, least of all FreeBSD's reputation.


Freeze! This is the BSDPD. Stop this shit immediately!

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Re: pam_userdb.so: Where is it?

[Freminlins]

Kyrre,

On 5/10/06, Kyrre Nygard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Hello!

Does anybody know where pam_userdb.so has gone?



FreeBSD doesn't appear to have ever had it, so it hasn't "gone" anywhere.
The thread you linked to below suggests exactly that.


Linux has it, but apparently FreeBSD does not.

I need it to set up virtual users with vsftpd.

I've been in contact with others with the same problem:


http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-November/104571.html

As well as Freenode #vsftpd.

But nobody seems to know what the PAM module for Berkeley DB files is at.

Or perhaps somebody can suggest alternate methods?



You could download the source  (
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/pam/Linux-PAM/modules/pam_userdb/) and
try and build it.

Thanks,

Kyrre




Frem.
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Re: OT: Torn between SCSI and SATA for RAID

[Atom Powers]

Another thing that I read that I'm not completely sure about.  Some of the
Adaptec SCSI Cards advertises a max of 30 devices - some even more.  Excuse the
ignorance, but does the SCSI Bus not allow for a max of 8 devices?  Do these
cards then feature multiple buses to connect the cables to?  If so, SATA will
obviously not be able to provide something like this.


I am not that familiar with SCSI protocols, but I imagine the
Ultra-Wide SCSI bus can probably address 32 devices ( 31 drives + the
controller ).


Now comes my question... Uhm.. Can SATA RAID Controllers be 'linked'.  Say, I
but 4 x 8-Port Adaptec SATA RAID Controllers... 2 x 8 Port Cards = 16 Ports for
1 RAID 5 Array (@ 750GB Drives, 12TB Max).  The other 2 cards, to mirror.  I
know that I can use one Controller to mirror another, but can I extend a array
across multiple controllers... And then naturally, just HOW much slower does
the array function?


I imagine you would probably have to use software raid at that point.
And even if you would use two controllers togeather (SLI for RAID?)
you would be limited by the PCI bus.



I've seen some comments and posts (esp. on slashdot) made where people go about
running massive arrays successfully on SATA.  Given the limits on the Ports at
the controller, just how is this achieved?


Probably with softawre RAID. With software RAID you can even mix drive
types, like SATA, PATA, SCSI, USB, etc. But it's much slower.


Sorry that this is so OT, but I hope I'd get some good answers.  This is
definately not something that's been discussed allot before considering the
amount of info I got after spending a number of days on google...

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Re: New FreeBSD Logo

[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

On May 10, 2006, at 2:41 AM, Beech Rintoul wrote:


On Wednesday 10 May 2006 00:30, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:

On May 10, 2006, at 2:25 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

He became a mascot only after the 'new-logo' people
started agitating for the sex-ball.  Prior to that all the
literature referred to him as a logo, when the word logo was
used.  (which wasn't often, but it was used)

This is nothing more than an argument of appeasement and
has been explained before in this forum, please quit insulting
our intelligence.  We all know that Beastie's place as the
logo has been supplanted, and your side won, and your crude
attempt to explain away Beastie is insulting.  You won, be
content with that.


Wow, Ted a top-poster!

A professional evaluation of "beastie" showed he was not a logo and
had served as a poor-one at that in his ersatz role as a wanna-be
logo.   (Note that I did not say that Beastie was poor but that he
had served as a poor logo based on professional criteria of what
makes a good logo).  Beastie has his place.

Chad


That's all well and good, but I for one don't plan to replace the  
"powered by"
beastie logo on any of my sites with that sex-toy. It would be  
interesting to

see how many webmasters agree with me.


We have had this out before.  No one is asking you or forcing you to  
replace any beastie you have anywhere.  Can me move on?  The post I  
made was specifically in response to one from Ted where he made  
claims about professional reviews of the new logo.


For the record, the new logo doesn't impress me either.

move along

Chad



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To: Lawrence Horvath
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: New FreeBSD Logo

Lawrence Horvath schrieb:

I quite like the new logo, i think the new one is far more
professional then the old one, though i liked them both.


I would say that there isn't an old one. Beastie is a little bit
older
than FreeBSD and I would understand it as mascot, not as a logo.
So the
new logo is not a replacement, but rather something that is
missing for
many years; and Beastie is still alive.

Regards
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Re: pam_userdb.so: Where is it?

[Kyrre Nygard]

At 18:06 10.05.2006, Freminlins wrote:

Kyrre,

On 5/10/06, Kyrre Nygard 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello!

Does anybody know where pam_userdb.so has gone?


FreeBSD doesn't appear to have ever had it, so it hasn't "gone" 
anywhere. The thread you linked to below suggests exactly that.



Linux has it, but apparently FreeBSD does not.
I need it to set up virtual users with vsftpd.

I've been in contact with others with the same problem:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-November/104571.html 



As well as Freenode #vsftpd.

But nobody seems to know what the PAM module for Berkeley DB files is at.

Or perhaps somebody can suggest alternate methods?


You could download the source  ( 
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/pam/Linux-PAM/modules/pam_userdb/) 
and try and build it.


Thanks,
Kyrre



Frem.


Thanks a lot man!

That's a real good advice. I'll see what I can do with it ...

All the best,
Kyrre

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Re: OT: Torn between SCSI and SATA for RAID

[Andrea Venturoli]

Atom Powers wrote:


Another thing that I read that I'm not completely sure about.  Some of 
the Adaptec SCSI Cards advertises a max of 30 devices - some even

>> more. Excuse the ignorance, but does the SCSI Bus not allow for a max
>> of 8 devices?  Do these cards then feature multiple buses to connect
>> the cables to?


I am not that familiar with SCSI protocols, but I imagine the
Ultra-Wide SCSI bus can probably address 32 devices ( 31 drives + the
controller ).


Old 8-bit SCSI allow for 8 devices.
For HD today you'll want Wide (16-bit) SCSI, which allows for 16 devices 
 (15 drives + controller).

There is no 32-bit SCSI, AFAIK.
The Adaptec cards you mention do have two busses (basically they are two 
controllers on one chip and are as such seen by the OS).





Can SATA RAID Controllers be 'linked'.  
... can I extend a array across multiple controllers...



I imagine you would probably have to use software raid at that point.


Yes and true.




And even if you would use two controllers togeather (SLI for RAID?)
you would be limited by the PCI bus.


You might want a motherboard with multiple PCI buses and carefully 
choose the RAID scheme vs. HD distribution.


If you need so many drives, however, you might well be better off with 
an hardware solution.






Probably with softawre RAID. With software RAID you can even mix drive
types, like SATA, PATA, SCSI, USB, etc. But it's much slower.


I wouldn't want to do that... I've always heard you should get identical 
drives to build an array.




Of course you might have different arrays on the same machine...


 bye
av.
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Re: pam_userdb.so: Where is it?

[N.J. Thomas]

* Kyrre Nygard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-10 18:18:23 +0200]:
> > > Does anybody know where pam_userdb.so has gone?
> >
> > FreeBSD doesn't appear to have ever had it, so it hasn't "gone"
> > anywhere. The thread you linked to below suggests exactly that.
> >
> >
> > You could download the source and try and build it.
>
> That's a real good advice. I'll see what I can do with it ...

Kyrre,

More info for you, digging through the archives came up with this:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2006-April/117922.html

Quoting:

> > There's no pam_userdb.so available for FreeBSD. You could use
> > pam_pwdfile.so, which is in the ports-collection. Users are
> > added/changed e.g. through htpasswd. Works well if you have not a lot of
> > accounts.
> > 
> > a simple vsftpd.pam could look like this:
> > 
> > authrequired /usr/local/lib/pam_pwdfile.so pwdfile /etc/vsftpd_login
> > account required /usr/lib/pam_permit.so
> 
> 
> Just to let you know that worked a treat

hth,
Thomas

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Re: jails or chroot?

[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

On May 10, 2006, at 2:33 AM, Iantcho Vassilev wrote:


On 5/9/06, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On May 9, 2006, at 5:53 AM, Michael Grant wrote:

>
> When it comes time to upgrade, how does one upgrade 100 different
> jails?  This will be a nightmare!

Actually, not.  You only need 1 master jail and a bunch of nullfs
read only mounts plus some exclusive space for each jail.I run 44
jails at the moment this way.  Upgrading is relatively easy as I only
have to upgrade one master jail (and unfortunately lots of jail etc
if such happens but a few scripts can automate much of that).





All the jails run out of one installed jail and they also have the
side benefit of the main system directories being read only so
exploits in one jail cannot affect all the running jails.





Wow,
I really like the setup you have make..

One question.How do you update the system(and the jail) ?


I shut all the jails down, and update the system.  Then I boot  
without starting the jails and rebuild the master jail according to  
"man jail".  Then I start a special main jail that was used to  
install ports used, if any, into a common area and do any updates  
necessary -- this last one from 5.4 to 6.0 I just made sure I had the  
5x compatibility stuff installed and all was fine for now so I have  
more time to redo individual ports or SW built frmo scratch.  When  
that is done I restart all the jails.


I had about 40 jails active when I went from 5.4 to 6.0 on this  
particular machine (some earlier ones I did from 5.4 to 6.0 had maybe  
1 or 2 jails so they were not the definitive test case).  Had no  
problems once I made sure all the jails were accessing the compat 5x  
stuff (which I did by editing in each jail /etc -- you could use a  
script  but I am lousy at writing more than simple scripts -- the  
rc.conf and making sure that "ldconfig_paths=" was set appropriately  
to the master jail wide compat5x library location...


Done, finis

Chad


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Re: FreeBSD 6.1 is now available for download

[Daniel Bye]

On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 10:28:34AM -0400, fbsd wrote:
> This is just a short note to inform all the list readers that 6.1 is
> available.

We know.  We read announce@

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Shutdown problems with 6.1 RELEASE on Sun X2100

[stan]

I installed the AMD64 version of 6.1 RELEASE on a Sun X2100 this morning.
It went pretty well (the first NIC was declared "unkown type" but worked
anayway). But I have problems when I try to shutdown the machine.

The vnode flush times out, and so does the inode flush, resulting in
unclean diks partions every time I reboot the achine. I suspect that this
may be because this achine has SATA disks,

How can I collect more data to aid in diagnosing this problem?

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Re: transparent proxy with FreeBSD

[Chris Howells]

On Wednesday 10 May 2006 10:43, Oliver A. Rojo wrote:
> Is there any docs on setting up transparent proxy using squid, ipf,
> ipnat + freebsd-5.3?

I would personally use pf; if that's an option, this works perfectly:

http://www.benzedrine.cx/transquid.html
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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[cpghost]

On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 01:49:20PM +, Kep Woof wrote:
> What are the key values of FreeBSD?  I'd guess
> something like Freedom, Stability, Robustness, quality.

The current logo looks like a FAT bloated Beastie that swallowed
up too much code... [recently compiled 4.11 and 6.1, and it shows...] :-)
Just kidding, of course: the *code* is excellent; unlike that poor
logo design (wondering why they didn't add a nice necktie to please
the suits). :-)

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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[cpghost]

On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:44:03PM +, Kep Woof wrote:
> >This is free software man, if you don't like it, fix it
> >yourself.
> 
> What is the procedure to fix a logo?

use send-pr(1), of course!

Since we're talking about logos: when will the next time window
open for a new try? I humbly suggest using 'FreeBSD' (the text,
no graphics) as logo. The only parameter would be choosing the
right distinctive font (let's call it the FreeBSD-Font) for it.
Was that suggested back then? We used to have a 'FreeBSD' image
on the old website. Perhaps that should have been used as a logo?
ANYTHING would have been better than that current ugly sex-toy.

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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[Ceri Davies]

On 10/5/06 13:13, "fbsd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> As a long time reader of this list I did not see any
> announcement of it here. Only after selection of the
> new logo was made was it talked about on this list
> People were very up set with it them and the ground
> swell over this has only gotten bigger.
> 
> Loyal long time users are feeling insulted about being
> left out from the decision about the need for a new logo.
> A post in the archive give some lame reasons for a new logo
> which many people disagreed with even then but still the
> new legal FreeBSD foundation went ahead any how put it
> on the official website.
> 
> I for one do not see an need to change the logo at all.

That's no reason to tell lies.

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Re: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org

[Ceri Davies]

On 10/5/06 15:25, "fbsd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Your negtave comments are foundless.
> A public vote is not an logistical near-impossibility.
> Hell just creating a special list to submit an email
> to as your yes or not vote is a simple solution and other
> solutions could be found one way or the other.

I guess that's why the USENET voting procedures didn't just get abandoned.

> If you are insulted by my comments then I guess you
> belong the self righteous snobs group and I dont care about you.

Funny, that.

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Re: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org

[Ceri Davies]

On 10/5/06 16:42, "Jeff Rollin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> 
>> Does anyone else think its a logo get over it? When was the last time an
>> IT admin went I installed Win 2k3 becuase it has that cool logo thing
>> that I like for a screensaver?
> 
> 
> I think it's a bigger problem than that. When was the last time Steve
> Ballmer responded to a complaint that his shiny new elephant d*ck
> screensaver crashed the system with the words "Go fuck yourself"? That's the
> kind of response some who claim to be high-ups in the FreeBSD community are
> giving here.

Not a single "high-up", whatever that means, has responded to this thread.

Could be nice if people would stop lying while trying to make a point.

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Re: FreeBSD 6.1 is now available for download

[Ceri Davies]

On 10/5/06 17:54, "Daniel Bye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 10:28:34AM -0400, fbsd wrote:
>> This is just a short note to inform all the list readers that 6.1 is
>> available.
> 
> We know.  We read announce@

Thanks, that's funny!

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Re: New FreeBSD Logo

[Ceri Davies]

On 10/5/06 09:18, "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jonathan Horne
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:23 PM
>> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>> Subject: Re: New FreeBSD Logo
>> 
>> 
>> i dont mind saying that i think i must be about the only one
>> who likes the
>> new art.  i think its very modern looking, crisp and abreviated,
>> un-childish, but at the same time not too serious or ominous.
>> 
>> ive actually thought about printing out some examples of both versions,
>> carrying it down to our artists in our print studio, and "taste testing"
>> them with professional artists who couldnt give one care about anything
>> technical.  *shrug* would be an interesting experiment, to say
>> the least.
>> 
> 
> Someone already posted a professional analysis.  The summary was that
> the new logo was amateurish with some serious flaws.  Amateurish because
> a ball is about the easiest thing you can produce in Photoshop and very
> unoriginal.  Serious flaws because due to all the shading this logo is
> impossible to accurately reproduce on small items like business cards,
> and on larger items the shading makes it very expensive to reproduce due
> to the number of colors used.

In fact, there are reduced colour versions for exactly that reason.  Since
you didn't bother to look for them, I guess this isn't the real issue for
you, though.

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Re: New FreeBSD Logo

[cpghost]

On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 10:03:04AM -0500, Greg Barniskis wrote:
> No one is belittling the subject, only pointing out that it's both 
> OT and done with. The appearance of the logo on the Web site is not 
> a beginning, it's a finality.

questions@ is for general user questions. The sex-toy just appeared
on the main website, and a user then asked questions about it. That's
a perfectly valid forum, *especially* considering the current time frame.
Questions like these, and the following threads are bound to come every
now and then, also and especially here on [EMAIL PROTECTED] The logo advocates
and the committee that picked the current logo brought it on themselves
and will have to live with it. Just like we users have to live with their
unfortunate decision.

-cpghost.

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Re: New FreeBSD Logo

[Ceri Davies]

On 10/5/06 15:15, "DAve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://pixelhammer.com/aw_jeez.jpg
> 
> This has gone too far. Searching shows that the FreeBSD questions list
> had mention of this over a year ago.
> 
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-questions/2005-February/076063.
> html
> 
> To be blunt about it, you and everyone else had their chance. My wife, a
> designer, knew FreeBSD had a logo contest and she wouldn't know FreeBSD
> from a martian if it were not for my T-shirt.
> 
> Anyone could have contributed. But like beta testing, most simply
> ignored the request to participate, preferring to wait until someone
> else did the hard work and made the tough decisions, then chose to bitch
> when the result was not want they wanted. It's apathy. Yea, I'm more
> than annoyed and this has been a long time coming.
> 
> How many people actually keep a development server running just to help
> open source developers test patches or updates, even when those patches
> and updates do not affect them?
> 
> How many donate to the souls who write the tools we use every day? Or do
> they just read the maillists when they need help, never offering to help
> others, and then get an attitude when the help they request doesn't
> arrive? A lot.
> 
> I constantly dog my employers to donate, let me have work time to help
> out on lists, purchase the books (Mailscanner and Rails) that help the
> developers, keep a development box for testing. They complain even
> though they could not compete in the market place had they been required
> to purchase licenses for all the software they use.
> 
> The Internet is the industry that open source built, and it has created
> a society of hand out junkies who think they should get everything their
> way, for free, right now.
> 
> This job isn't fun anymore.

Hear, hear.

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Re: vote for keeping "beastie" as official logo

[Ceri Davies]

On 10/5/06 15:53, "fbsd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> If you are as dissatisfied with the new official logo
> as I am, then forward this email to the FreeBSD federation
> board of directors at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Dear FreeBSD federation board of directors:
> 
> I am upset with the manner in which it was decided
> that a new logo was needed.
> 
> Only posting a message that this was happening on the
> announcement list was an big mistake as it left out
> the users who promote FreeBSD at the grass roots
> level from knowing about it. An change of this
> magnitude should have been broadcast to all lists
> to get the widest based input possible.
> 
> I sincerely hope this deception was not on
> purpose as it looks that way.
>  
> Furthermore the new logo design is not satisfactory
> and does not represent the wants of the user community
> as shown by the multiple posts on the questions
> list of late.
> 
> 
> My vote is for keeping the beastie image as the
> official FreeBSD logo and removing the sex toy
> logo from publication.

OK, you have had your say.
Will you then, for the love of all that is sacred, stop starting new threads
on this subject?  Please.

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Re: 6.1_RELEASE Install Problem

[Ceri Davies]

On 10/5/06 05:03, "bc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> After make installworld I ran the final run thru of mergemaster and recived
> this error:
> 
> ERROR CODE 64
> FATAL ERROR: Cannot 'dc' into /usr/src/etc/ and install files to the
> temproot environment.

Did you cut and paste that, or copy it in manually?

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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[Ceri Davies]

On 10/5/06 18:24, "cpghost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:44:03PM +, Kep Woof wrote:
>>> This is free software man, if you don't like it, fix it
>>> yourself.
>> 
>> What is the procedure to fix a logo?
> 
> use send-pr(1), of course!
> 
> Since we're talking about logos: when will the next time window
> open for a new try? I humbly suggest using 'FreeBSD' (the text,
> no graphics) as logo. The only parameter would be choosing the
> right distinctive font (let's call it the FreeBSD-Font) for it.
> Was that suggested back then? We used to have a 'FreeBSD' image
> on the old website. Perhaps that should have been used as a logo?
> ANYTHING would have been better than that current ugly sex-toy.

There were tens of submissions that just had the word 'FreeBSD'.  The word
'FreeBSD' isn't a logo, or they looked crappy, so they lost.

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Re: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org

[cpghost]

On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 05:28:55PM +0200, Erik Trulsson wrote:
> > Many professional logo design people never even knew about
> > the contest to redesign the logo because it was not posted
> > to the questions list where everyone reads.
> 
> Not everyone reads the questions list.  Heck, not even all the
> developers do, due to the low signal/noise ratio here.

Uh-oh! A mindset like this would explain a lot of things. :-(

Fortunately, there *are* developers here who do take users'
questions seriously.

cpghost.

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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[cpghost]

On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 06:40:01PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote:
> On 10/5/06 18:24, "cpghost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:44:03PM +, Kep Woof wrote:
> >>> This is free software man, if you don't like it, fix it
> >>> yourself.
> >> 
> >> What is the procedure to fix a logo?
> > 
> > use send-pr(1), of course!
> > 
> > Since we're talking about logos: when will the next time window
> > open for a new try? I humbly suggest using 'FreeBSD' (the text,
> > no graphics) as logo. The only parameter would be choosing the
> > right distinctive font (let's call it the FreeBSD-Font) for it.
> > Was that suggested back then? We used to have a 'FreeBSD' image
> > on the old website. Perhaps that should have been used as a logo?
> > ANYTHING would have been better than that current ugly sex-toy.
> 
> There were tens of submissions that just had the word 'FreeBSD'.

Ah, good to know. Thank you.

>  The word
> 'FreeBSD' isn't a logo, or they looked crappy, so they lost.

What about 'SONY' or 'IBM'? They are logos too. Granted, not as
long as 'FreeBSD', but a word doesn't disqualify as a logo just
because it's a word.

Regards,
-cpghost.

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Re: securing beyond the handbook.

[David Robillard]

Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:17:30 -0400
From: "Jim Stapleton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: securing beyond the handbook
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I'm about to get a static IP and direct outside access for my BSD box
(before it was hidden behind a firewall/NAT). I was comfortable with
the level of security I've had, but with the whole "open to the
outside world" setup I'll have, what would you suggest for securing
it?

I'll be running:
Apache
PHP
MySQL
SSH/SFTP
OpenRPG (only occasionally, from a special nonpriv account)

Any suggestions, any of these that you know are such huge security
holes that you would absolutely demand something else be run?

Any other security suggestions?


Hi Jim,

I would strongly suggest running your internet accessible applications
from inside a jail. Check some man pages for jail information:
jail(8), jls(8) and jexec(8). The nice thing about jails is that once
everything is installed and running, you can strip it of any files
which is not used by your applications (such as compilers for
example). Therefore, if someone breaks in, he is limited in his
capabilites. Plus he does not gain your real root password (assuming
you are not using the same passwords in your jail of course ;)

Configure sshd(8) to allow only a certain set of trusted users via
AllowUsers configuration. Prohibit direct root login via
"PermitRootLogin no" and consider using public keys with a strong
passphrase instead of a simple password for login. If you have a
Kerberos server, use it.

Next, check your network architecture. Give your jail the public IP or
NAT it in your firewall to a DMZ section of your network. Make sure
your internet accessible applications are not inside your LAN. Be
certain to never let internet connections have direct access to
machines inside the LAN.

Also, consider running host intrusion detection. Such as Osiris,
Samhain or Tripwire. You can find them all in the FreeBSD ports.
Talking of ports, make sure you install security/portaudit to keep
track of you port's security.

Subscribe to the FreeBSD security mailing list and take action when an
advisory is sent.

Use mod_security with your Apache server. http://www.modsecurity.org/ 
Actually, remove all unused Apache module from your httpd.conf(5).


Run your MySQL database on another host (or another jail) which is in
a seperate Database DMZ which can only be accessed by certain well
defined hosts.

Use tcp_wrappers to secure you connections. Use sudo(8) instead of root.

Finally, check out some really good books on various security related issues:

Mastering FreeBSD and OpenBSD security from O'Reilly.
Apache Security from O'Reilly.
Essential PHP Security from O'Reilly.
Host Integrity Monitoring using Osiris and Samhain from Syngress.
FreeBSD security & hardening guide: http://www.syslog.org/Content-5-4.phtml

Oh, and don't forget to backup regularly. It's also part of your security.

Have fun!

David


Thanks,
-Jim


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RE: securing beyond the handbook

[fbsd]

There is no difference between a dynamic and static ip
address from the point of the firewall.

If you felt secure before, then getting a static ip
address will have no effect on that.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim
Stapleton
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:18 AM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: securing beyond the handbook


I'm about to get a static IP and direct outside access for my BSD
box
(before it was hidden behind a firewall/NAT). I was comfortable with
the level of security I've had, but with the whole "open to the
outside world" setup I'll have, what would you suggest for securing
it?

I'll be running:
Apache
PHP
MySQL
SSH/SFTP
OpenRPG (only occasionally, from a special nonpriv account)

Any suggestions, any of these that you know are such huge security
holes that you would absolutely demand something else be run?

Any other security suggestions?

Thanks,
-Jim
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Re: New FreeBSD Logo

[Pietro Cerutti]

Could we please stop this flood??

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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[Jeff Rollin]

> I for one do not see an need to change the logo at all.

That's no reason to tell lies.



There's no reason to accuse people of telling lies without having any
evidence, either.

Can't wait till you get caught out.

Jeff.
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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[Ceri Davies]

On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 05:51:10PM +, cpghost wrote:
> On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 06:40:01PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote:
> > On 10/5/06 18:24, "cpghost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:44:03PM +, Kep Woof wrote:
> > >>> This is free software man, if you don't like it, fix it
> > >>> yourself.
> > >> 
> > >> What is the procedure to fix a logo?
> > > 
> > > use send-pr(1), of course!
> > > 
> > > Since we're talking about logos: when will the next time window
> > > open for a new try? I humbly suggest using 'FreeBSD' (the text,
> > > no graphics) as logo. The only parameter would be choosing the
> > > right distinctive font (let's call it the FreeBSD-Font) for it.
> > > Was that suggested back then? We used to have a 'FreeBSD' image
> > > on the old website. Perhaps that should have been used as a logo?
> > > ANYTHING would have been better than that current ugly sex-toy.
> > 
> > There were tens of submissions that just had the word 'FreeBSD'.
> 
> Ah, good to know. Thank you.
> 
> >  The word
> > 'FreeBSD' isn't a logo, or they looked crappy, so they lost.
> 
> What about 'SONY' or 'IBM'? They are logos too. Granted, not as
> long as 'FreeBSD', but a word doesn't disqualify as a logo just
> because it's a word.

I wouldn't sweat (or trust my memory to remember) the details.  Most of
them definitely said "Free BSD" though.

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Setting Default NIC

[John Cruz]

I Just upgraded my freebsd machine to a new board, this one has an 
onboard NIC where as the old one just had a PCI 10/100 nic. I put the 
old NIC on the new board as well so I can have 2 running out of the 
machine, but I don't know how to set it so that the onboard NIC (vr0) is 
the default and the PIC nic (r10) is not, because when I unplug the PCI 
one all net connectivity shuts down. Here's my ifconfig and my rc.conf 
as always help is much appreciated.


*IFCONFIG

rl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500
   options=8
   inet6 fe80::210:b5ff:fe5f:c324%rl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1
   inet 192.168.42.10 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.42.255
   ether 00:10:b5:5f:c3:24
   media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX )
   status: active
vr0: flags=8843 mtu 1500
   inet6 fe80::250:70ff:fee8:7fe%vr0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2
   inet 192.168.42.9 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.42.255
   ether 00:50:70:e8:07:fe
   media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX )
   status: active
plip0: flags=108810 mtu 1500
lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384
   inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128
   inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4
   inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00

***RC.CONF

# -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # Sun Jan  1 19:02:32 2006
# Created: Sun Jan  1 19:02:32 2006
# Enable network daemons for user convenience.
# Please make all changes to this file, not to /etc/defaults/rc.conf.
# This file now contains just the overrides from /etc/defaults/rc.conf.
hostname="taurus.cruz"
#ifconfig_rl0="DHCP"
inetd_enable="YES"
moused_enable="YES"
moused_flags="-3"
moused_port="/dev/psm0"
moused_type="auto"
nfs_server_enable="YES"
rpcbind_enable="YES"
saver="daemon"
sshd_enable="YES"
usbd_enable="YES"
apache2_enable="YES"
apache_enable="YES"
mysqld_enable="YES"
mysql_enable="YES"
mountd_flags = "-r"

# -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # Sun Jan 15 11:40:28 2006
# The Following specifies that the server is using a static IP address
ifconfig_rl0="inet 192.168.42.10  netmask 255.255.255.0"
ifconfig_vr0="inet 192.168.42.9   netmask 255.255.255.0"

defaultrouter="192.168.42.1"
hostname="taurus.cruz"
# -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # Sun Apr  9 01:33:24 2006
nfs_client_enable="YES"
# -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # Sun Apr 23 21:29:11 2006
font8x8="swiss-8x8"
font8x14="NO"
font8x16="swiss-8x16"

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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[Ceri Davies]

On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 07:00:49PM +0100, Jeff Rollin wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I for one do not see an need to change the logo at all.
> >
> >That's no reason to tell lies.
> 
> There's no reason to accuse people of telling lies without having any
> evidence, either.

Statements were made which are provably untrue.  Call it what you want.

> Can't wait till you get caught out.

Sure.

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Re: New FreeBSD Logo

[Greg Barniskis]

cpghost wrote:

On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 10:03:04AM -0500, Greg Barniskis wrote:
No one is belittling the subject, only pointing out that it's both 
OT and done with. The appearance of the logo on the Web site is not 
a beginning, it's a finality.


questions@ is for general user questions. The sex-toy just appeared
on the main website, and a user then asked questions about it. That's
a perfectly valid forum, *especially* considering the current time frame.


Point taken. I could have phrased that better.

* What/when/how did this happen?
* How and when can it be undone?
* Why didn't I hear about this before?

These are indeed all perfectly valid questions. What I was trying to 
express is that the askers really don't seem to be accepting (or 
even seeing) the perfectly valid answers:


* See the archives where this was beaten to death multiple times.
* The best place to pursue such matters is in those forums chartered 
for PR and general chatter.

* Read [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To those taking affront at such answers, no one is saying "oh, fork 
you!" in some intentionally rude or belittling way (at least, I'm 
not), they're saying forking (process-wise) to the appropriate forum 
is the logical thing to do.


And [in response to the opposition party] no, I don't buy the 
assertion that questions@ is the correct forum to continue fighting 
in simply because it's popular. That's like saying spam is good 
because it reaches a lot of people cheaply. Forums have charters for 
reasons.


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Re: New freebsd logo on freebsd.org

[Jeff Rollin]

> > Since we're talking about logos: when will the next time window
> > open for a new try? I humbly suggest using 'FreeBSD' (the text,



Good idea. The word "FreeBSD" as it stood at the top of the
freebsd.orgmainpage the day before the release of
6.1-RELEASE was nice.



> There were tens of submissions that just had the word 'FreeBSD'.

Ah, good to know. Thank you.

>  The word
> 'FreeBSD' isn't a logo, or they looked crappy, so they lost.

What about 'SONY' or 'IBM'? They are logos too. Granted, not as
long as 'FreeBSD', but a word doesn't disqualify as a logo just
because it's a word.



"Technics" is even longer. "Daewoo" and "Sanyo" are shorter, but foreign to
all but the Koreans (in the first case) and the Japanese (in the second)

Plus, the Koreans and the Japanese don't write in the Roman alphabet
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Re: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org

[Chris Howells]

cpghost wrote:


Uh-oh! A mindset like this would explain a lot of things. :-(


Yes, it explains that some people are too busy to read hundreds of 
messages on this list, and would rather do something else like coding.

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Re: Setting Default NIC

[Atom Powers]

On 5/10/06, John Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I Just upgraded my freebsd machine to a new board, this one has an
onboard NIC where as the old one just had a PCI 10/100 nic. I put the
old NIC on the new board as well so I can have 2 running out of the
machine, but I don't know how to set it so that the onboard NIC (vr0) is
the default and the PIC nic (r10) is not, because when I unplug the PCI
one all net connectivity shuts down. Here's my ifconfig and my rc.conf
as always help is much appreciated.


rl0 already is the "default", if by default you mean the nic used when
no nic is specified with command like tcpdump.

This sounds like a routing problem. I am guessing that your default
router is 192.168.42.1. If that is the case the systew will use the
interface "closest" to the router to send packets out, which in this
case is the vr0 interface.

Try `ifconfig vr0 down` instead of unplugging it. Or give rl0 an IP in
the range 192.168.42.2-8.


*IFCONFIG

rl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500
options=8
inet6 fe80::210:b5ff:fe5f:c324%rl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1
inet 192.168.42.10 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.42.255
ether 00:10:b5:5f:c3:24
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX )
status: active
vr0: flags=8843 mtu 1500
inet6 fe80::250:70ff:fee8:7fe%vr0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2
inet 192.168.42.9 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.42.255
ether 00:50:70:e8:07:fe
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX )
status: active
plip0: flags=108810 mtu 1500
lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384
inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128
inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4
inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00

***RC.CONF

# -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # Sun Jan  1 19:02:32 2006
# Created: Sun Jan  1 19:02:32 2006
# Enable network daemons for user convenience.
# Please make all changes to this file, not to /etc/defaults/rc.conf.
# This file now contains just the overrides from /etc/defaults/rc.conf.
hostname="taurus.cruz"
#ifconfig_rl0="DHCP"
inetd_enable="YES"
moused_enable="YES"
moused_flags="-3"
moused_port="/dev/psm0"
moused_type="auto"
nfs_server_enable="YES"
rpcbind_enable="YES"
saver="daemon"
sshd_enable="YES"
usbd_enable="YES"
apache2_enable="YES"
apache_enable="YES"
mysqld_enable="YES"
mysql_enable="YES"
mountd_flags = "-r"

# -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # Sun Jan 15 11:40:28 2006
# The Following specifies that the server is using a static IP address
ifconfig_rl0="inet 192.168.42.10  netmask 255.255.255.0"
ifconfig_vr0="inet 192.168.42.9   netmask 255.255.255.0"

defaultrouter="192.168.42.1"
hostname="taurus.cruz"
# -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # Sun Apr  9 01:33:24 2006
nfs_client_enable="YES"
# -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # Sun Apr 23 21:29:11 2006
font8x8="swiss-8x8"
font8x14="NO"
font8x16="swiss-8x16"

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Re: Setting Default NIC

[Jonathan Horne]

> I Just upgraded my freebsd machine to a new board, this one has an
> onboard NIC where as the old one just had a PCI 10/100 nic. I put the
> old NIC on the new board as well so I can have 2 running out of the
> machine, but I don't know how to set it so that the onboard NIC (vr0) is
> the default and the PIC nic (r10) is not, because when I unplug the PCI
> one all net connectivity shuts down. Here's my ifconfig and my rc.conf
> as always help is much appreciated.
>
> *IFCONFIG
>
> rl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500
> options=8
> inet6 fe80::210:b5ff:fe5f:c324%rl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1
> inet 192.168.42.10 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.42.255
> ether 00:10:b5:5f:c3:24
> media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX )
> status: active
> vr0: flags=8843 mtu 1500
> inet6 fe80::250:70ff:fee8:7fe%vr0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2
> inet 192.168.42.9 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.42.255
> ether 00:50:70:e8:07:fe
> media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX )
> status: active
> plip0: flags=108810 mtu 1500
> lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384
> inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128
> inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4
> inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00
>
> ***RC.CONF
>
> # -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # Sun Jan  1 19:02:32 2006
> # Created: Sun Jan  1 19:02:32 2006
> # Enable network daemons for user convenience.
> # Please make all changes to this file, not to /etc/defaults/rc.conf.
> # This file now contains just the overrides from /etc/defaults/rc.conf.
> hostname="taurus.cruz"
> #ifconfig_rl0="DHCP"
> inetd_enable="YES"
> moused_enable="YES"
> moused_flags="-3"
> moused_port="/dev/psm0"
> moused_type="auto"
> nfs_server_enable="YES"
> rpcbind_enable="YES"
> saver="daemon"
> sshd_enable="YES"
> usbd_enable="YES"
> apache2_enable="YES"
> apache_enable="YES"
> mysqld_enable="YES"
> mysql_enable="YES"
> mountd_flags = "-r"
>
> # -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # Sun Jan 15 11:40:28 2006
> # The Following specifies that the server is using a static IP address
> ifconfig_rl0="inet 192.168.42.10  netmask 255.255.255.0"
> ifconfig_vr0="inet 192.168.42.9   netmask 255.255.255.0"
>
> defaultrouter="192.168.42.1"
> hostname="taurus.cruz"
> # -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # Sun Apr  9 01:33:24 2006
> nfs_client_enable="YES"
> # -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # Sun Apr 23 21:29:11 2006
> font8x8="swiss-8x8"
> font8x14="NO"
> font8x16="swiss-8x16"
>


are those 2 nics going to be bonded into 1 interface?  haveing 2 nics, on
the same network isnt really going to earn you anything unless they are
bonded or loadbalanced, either thru network configuration or switching
hardware.

if youre not going to go thru one of those techniques, then i would remove
one nics.

unless, long shot (tm), as in this has no technical base, just a guess...
have you tried reversing the order in which they appear in the rc.conf
file?  i dont know if that matters, or if it reads the order of their
IRQs, but it might be worth a shot if you really want both of those nics.

jonathanh


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Re: New freeBSD logo on freebsd.org

[Kris Kennaway]

On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 05:47:44PM +, cpghost wrote:
> On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 05:28:55PM +0200, Erik Trulsson wrote:
> > > Many professional logo design people never even knew about
> > > the contest to redesign the logo because it was not posted
> > > to the questions list where everyone reads.
> > 
> > Not everyone reads the questions list.  Heck, not even all the
> > developers do, due to the low signal/noise ratio here.
> 
> Uh-oh! A mindset like this would explain a lot of things. :-(
> 
> Fortunately, there *are* developers here who do take users'
> questions seriously.

You missed the point.

Signal = questions from users about FreeBSD technical support.

Noise = lots of whining about the logo.

On the plus side, if you guys keep it up I'll be able to dramatically
improve my view of the S/N ratio by adding those with nothing better
to contribute than their indignation to my killfile (some are there
already) so I *can* focus on the user questions.

Kris

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6.1 hangs at boot, sata raid controller unsupported?

[Daniel A.]

Hi,
I have had this problem since I tried to install 6.0 on my desktop
workstation, and even in 6.1, which has improved SATA RAID support, it
persists.
Original thread:
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2006-April/118272.html

Problem:
FreeBSD hangs when it detects my 120GB Seagate Barracuda drive,
attached alone to my onboard Promise FastTrak 376 controller.
Everything works perfectly in Windows. No errors, no problems.
FreeBSD will only boot in Safe Mode, and then it gives me this:
...
ad8: 114473MB  at ata4-master PIO4
ad8: FAILURE - READ timed out LBA=234441585
ad8: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=0
ad8: FAILURE - READ timed out LBA=234441631
ad8: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (0 retries left) LBA=0
ad8: FAILURE - READ timed out LBA=234441644
ad8: FAILURE - READ timed out LBA=0
ad8: FAILURE - READ timed out LBA=234441585
ad8: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=0
...
When booting in non-safemode, it just hangs forever at the first line I pasted.
I've attached my old dmesg.boot from 6.0.

Please help. I love FreeBSD and I would be endlessly happy if I could
get it on my desktop. =/


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