date:20070411

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:06:15 -0400
Jules Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Boy, do I want answers too!
 
 We have HD's that run 24X7.  And I don't want to turn them off, I  
 just want them to sleep quietly until needed.  We have lot's of RAM,  
 thus plenty of cache space.
 
 Our machines are all blades.  (Does this matter?  I don't know.)   
 IBMs and Super-Micros.
 
 We spend zillions of bucks on electricity;  We use these machines  
 24X7 now, but soon will only need them about 12 hours a day.  Is 24X7  
 operation the optimal strategy?
 
 What's the best course here, wrt electric costs, and wrt disk failures?

That's the point! Electric costs vs failures.
If financial side is the interest, - obvioulsy statistics and calculator.
My original question sounded like what's the safest way.

Let's see:

An HD in full operation get definitely hot and hence (evidently) consuming
power. And then it turns to sleeping mode and becomes cooler... cooler...
Then (maybe) this process repeats all the time. Despite even cold turning on
stresses these permanent temperature differences can't be good.

Conclusion might be like this:

If one has certain amount of trusted drives and they are expected to sleep
reasonable time only a few times a day then one should save energy, thinking
of tuning wakeups and regular backup. The same with stations that rarely use
HDs and/or do their stuff (if any) using only RAM.

If a machine is under constant load, or expected to wake up once per several
hours it's better to leave it all in peace :). It seems somewhat hard to
estimate sleeping periods accurately in this case. And even huge cache can
be a reason for unexpected need in accessing a bit of disk data.

As Gary Kline said, slowing down drives could be a good idea in some
circumstances. There are so many user desktops running only a text processor
and... heating the air! What for? And there is more to it, these desktops
are everywhere and all of them together burn too much more energy resources
than server and development installations, like ones, I hope, we are talking
about. And I think that stability of latter ones is a concern (to serve the
rest of production teapots).

Finally, if one is using (it's highly encouraged!) FreeBSD at home to do all
sort of things, let's experiment with power savings too! Because the feature
must retain in OS and improve with overall experience and support.

- Yuri

 
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 On Apr 8, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Yuri Grebenkin wrote:
 
  Just wonder if it's better for an HDD not to spindown at all.
  Maybe it's safer to spin in peace than to park/launch?
  What do you think?
 
  Hello again all,
 I was wondering if there was an automatic, and possibly timed  
  means to
  spin down disks available in either ports or the base system, by  
  chance.
 Just trying to cut down on energy use, and increase my disks'  
  lives :).
  TIA,
  -Garrett
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do i have to use all the security bulletins ?

2007-04-11 Thread Roelof Wobben


Hello,

Im a newbie on Freebsd. I have read a lot but  i can't find if a must do the
security patches on my system.

I did a ftp install yesterday.

I hope someone can help me.

Regards,

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about FreeBSD debugging

2007-04-11 Thread Dhananjaya hiremath

Hi,

 I installed the FreeBSD but some of its packages are not working. For that we 
have to check debugging option.Please can u tell me how to debug. I dont know 
any thing about debugging



Thank U 
Regards
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Installing the CVS

2007-04-11 Thread Dhananjaya hiremath

 Hello sir,

   Please specifies how to get the CVS to FreeBSD.And some packages are not
  installing lile( samba,python etc) It is giving the error so how we can 
install this one.



Thank U 
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Re: Terabyte harddisks, GELI, AMD64, Samba and Zen...

2007-04-11 Thread Ivan Voras


Solon Luigi Lutz wrote:


  ---Sequential Output ---Sequential Input-- --Random--
  -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks---
MachineMB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU  /sec %CPU
 1000 37922 31.5 48829 12.0 23827  5.0 30054 36.0 43666  6.0 1120.0  2.5


Interesting - your CPU doesn't look overwhelmed much.


But I have not been able to get more than 17 MB/s when using Samba to
transfer data - FTP maxes out around 27 MB/s. I also tried that on
i386 32-bit and found it to be 8 MB/s and 17 MB/s - not good, but
nothing to worry.

What made me feel really uncomfortable was the fact, that just some
minutes ago some 3000 1GB files suddenly disappeared while working
in a directory. They where gone, but the filesystem did not report
some additional 3TB to be free and after unmounting and remounting the
filesystem the files were back where the belonged...




This just happened some minutes later again, now with only 2500 files
dis- and -reappearing again.


This can mean either file system corruption (which fsck fixed on boot?), 
a bug (read cache bug, where the memory representation of the directory 
doesn't agree with on-disk state) or a hardware memory error. Of these, 
hardware errors are easiest to check in your case. Download a memtest86 
boot CD ISO, burn it and let it run for a few hours. Next, you can try a 
full fsck, which would probably a few last days on such a big array 
(big arrays are inconvenient to have without journaling). If both fail, 
we may look for a bug somewhere.



Questions until now:

1. 10TB as a single volume, too big for good? (fsck time: 30 min with 
softupdates)


Yes, too big. Softupdates doesn't even do a full fsck - if you tried a 
full fsck it will require about a dozen GB of memory (or memory+swap) 
and take a really long time. If you're not scared of it, you should run 
7-current and re-create the file system with gjournal, or even ZFS.



2. GELI unstable on big disks and/or AMD64?


You're the first to complain :)


3. Why is Samba so slow?


Search Google... Samba is notoriously slow on FreeBSD, but there are few 
ways to tune it which will help.



4. Does the crypto-framwork gain speed advantages from dual-core CPUs?


No, and the same goes for most GEOM classes.


5. Will the GPT-stuff change over the next releases in a way I need to
do DUMP/RESTORE?


I don't think so, except if someone discovers an incompatibility in the 
way FreeBSD handles GPT wrt other OSs. Shouldn't happen.





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Re: do i have to use all the security bulletins ?

2007-04-11 Thread Andrew Pantyukhin


On 4/11/07, Roelof Wobben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,

Im a newbie on Freebsd. I have read a lot but  i can't find if a must do the
security patches on my system.

I did a ftp install yesterday.

I hope someone can help me.


# freebsd-update fetch
# freebsd-update install
# shutdown -r now
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Harddisk problem

2007-04-11 Thread Taavi Tänavsuu


Hi,

Got a brand new Samsung 250 GB IDE harddisk, added it to my home PC running
FreeBSD 5.3, created FreeBSD filesystem there.  I have been using it for
several months, keeping relatively large (5-10 GB) home video files there,
and it has been working fine.

But now suddenly got the following problem:


pepe# mount /dev/ad3s1d /mnt/suur_ketas/
mount: /dev/ad3s1d: Input/output error
pepe# mount /dev/ad3s1d /mnt/suur_ketas/
mount: /dev/ad3s1d: Input/output error
pepe# fsck -f /dev/ad3s1d
** /dev/ad3s1d
** Last Mounted on /mnt/suur_ketas
** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes

CANNOT READ BLK: 51184064
UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY

CONTINUE? [yn] y

THE FOLLOWING DISK SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: 51184077, 51184080,
PARTIALLY TRUNCATED INODE I=4498435
SALVAGE? [yn] y

INCORRECT BLOCK COUNT I=4498438 (673600 should be 667584)
CORRECT? [yn] y

INCORRECT BLOCK COUNT I=4498439 (467936 should be 459392)
CORRECT? [yn] y

INCORRECT BLOCK COUNT I=19595269 (838304 should be 829248)
CORRECT? [yn] y

PARTIALLY TRUNCATED INODE I=20843652
SALVAGE? [yn] y

** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames
** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity
** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts
** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups

CANNOT READ BLK: 51184064
UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY

CONTINUE? [yn] y

THE FOLLOWING DISK SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: 51184077, 51184080,
FREE BLK COUNT(S) WRONG IN SUPERBLK
SALVAGE? [yn] y

SUMMARY INFORMATION BAD
SALVAGE? [yn] y

BLK(S) MISSING IN BIT MAPS
SALVAGE? [yn] y

160 files, 53062183 used, 65193686 free (78 frags, 8149201 blocks,
0.0%fragmentation)

* FILE SYSTEM STILL DIRTY *

* FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *

* PLEASE RERUN FSCK *
pepe# fsck -f -y /dev/ad3s1d
** /dev/ad3s1d
** Last Mounted on /mnt/suur_ketas
** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes

CANNOT READ BLK: 51184064
UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY

CONTINUE? yes

THE FOLLOWING DISK SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: 51184077, 51184080,
** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames
** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity
** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts
** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups

CANNOT READ BLK: 51184064
UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY

CONTINUE? yes

THE FOLLOWING DISK SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: 51184077, 51184080,
160 files, 53062183 used, 65193686 free (78 frags, 8149201 blocks,
0.0%fragmentation)

* FILE SYSTEM STILL DIRTY *

* PLEASE RERUN FSCK *
pepe# fsck -f -y /dev/ad3s1d
** /dev/ad3s1d
** Last Mounted on /mnt/suur_ketas
** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes

CANNOT READ BLK: 51184064
UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY

CONTINUE? yes

THE FOLLOWING DISK SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: 51184077, 51184080,
** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames
** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity
** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts
** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups

CANNOT READ BLK: 51184064
UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY

CONTINUE? yes

THE FOLLOWING DISK SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: 51184077, 51184080,
160 files, 53062183 used, 65193686 free (78 frags, 8149201 blocks,
0.0%fragmentation)

* FILE SYSTEM STILL DIRTY *

* PLEASE RERUN FSCK *
pepe# mount /dev/ad3s1d /mnt/suur_ketas/
mount: /dev/ad3s1d: Input/output error
pepe# mount /dev/ad3s1d /mnt/suur_ketas/
mount: /dev/ad3s1d: Input/output error


I'm not yet very familiar with harddisks, filesystems, and FreeBSD, but is
there anything else i could try to make the disk usable again, or is it
somehow physically damaged?

-taavi k6ps tänavsuu
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do i have to use all the security bulletins ?

2007-04-11 Thread Roelof Wobben


Hello,

Thank you for your help but when i do :
# bsd-update fetch

I get unknown command error message

Regards,

Roelof

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Re: do i have to use all the security bulletins ?

2007-04-11 Thread Vince

Roelof Wobben wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Thank you for your help but when i do :
 # bsd-update fetch
 
 I get unknown command error message
 

that was
freebsd-update

regards,
Vince


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Re: Forbidding or not access to webpages of network users

2007-04-11 Thread Kevin Kinsey


DSA - JCR wrote:

Hi all in this list

I want to know if there is a way to forbid to network users the access to
fixed webpages.


Possibly.


The example, I work in an enterprise in which several users are accesing
to webpages others than the enterprise's own.

I want that the users can only access to the the webpages and services of
the enterprise, but also that 2 PC can access everywhere (the boss ones).

Can I make it with FreeBSD? How? I have read the Firewall handbook pages,
but i don't know exactly if i can do it with PF, IPF or IPFW (or something
else). (examples?)


A common solution is to install a proxy server (such as Squid 
[/usr/ports/www/squid])
and set the firewall to not allow traffic from any machines out to the WWW 
except
the proxy server.

Squid can utilize Access Control Lists; here's a statement from my 
squid.conf:

   acl banned_sites url_regex -i /etc/banned/porn
   http_access deny banned_sites

   acl banned_sites2 url_regex -i /etc/banned/games
   http_access deny banned_sites2

You can also have an allow only list and deny all other requests.


My users are W2K.

On the otherhand, I think this is a common problem, isn't it? ;D


For many people, yes.


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Re: Harddisk problem

2007-04-11 Thread Ivan Carey


Taavi Tänavsuu wrote:

Hi,

Got a brand new Samsung 250 GB IDE harddisk, added it to my home PC 
running

FreeBSD 5.3, created FreeBSD filesystem there.  I have been using it for
several months, keeping relatively large (5-10 GB) home video files 
there,

and it has been working fine.

But now suddenly got the following problem:


pepe# mount /dev/ad3s1d /mnt/suur_ketas/
mount: /dev/ad3s1d: Input/output error
pepe# mount /dev/ad3s1d /mnt/suur_ketas/
mount: /dev/ad3s1d: Input/output error
pepe# fsck -f /dev/ad3s1d
** /dev/ad3s1d
** Last Mounted on /mnt/suur_ketas
** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes

CANNOT READ BLK: 51184064
UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY

CONTINUE? [yn] y

THE FOLLOWING DISK SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: 51184077, 51184080,
PARTIALLY TRUNCATED INODE I=4498435
SALVAGE? [yn] y

INCORRECT BLOCK COUNT I=4498438 (673600 should be 667584)
CORRECT? [yn] y

INCORRECT BLOCK COUNT I=4498439 (467936 should be 459392)
CORRECT? [yn] y

INCORRECT BLOCK COUNT I=19595269 (838304 should be 829248)
CORRECT? [yn] y

PARTIALLY TRUNCATED INODE I=20843652
SALVAGE? [yn] y

** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames
** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity
** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts
** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups

CANNOT READ BLK: 51184064
UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY

CONTINUE? [yn] y

THE FOLLOWING DISK SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: 51184077, 51184080,
FREE BLK COUNT(S) WRONG IN SUPERBLK
SALVAGE? [yn] y

SUMMARY INFORMATION BAD
SALVAGE? [yn] y

BLK(S) MISSING IN BIT MAPS
SALVAGE? [yn] y

160 files, 53062183 used, 65193686 free (78 frags, 8149201 blocks,
0.0%fragmentation)

* FILE SYSTEM STILL DIRTY *

* FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *

* PLEASE RERUN FSCK *
pepe# fsck -f -y /dev/ad3s1d
** /dev/ad3s1d
** Last Mounted on /mnt/suur_ketas
** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes

CANNOT READ BLK: 51184064
UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY

CONTINUE? yes

THE FOLLOWING DISK SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: 51184077, 51184080,
** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames
** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity
** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts
** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups

CANNOT READ BLK: 51184064
UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY

CONTINUE? yes

THE FOLLOWING DISK SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: 51184077, 51184080,
160 files, 53062183 used, 65193686 free (78 frags, 8149201 blocks,
0.0%fragmentation)

* FILE SYSTEM STILL DIRTY *

* PLEASE RERUN FSCK *
pepe# fsck -f -y /dev/ad3s1d
** /dev/ad3s1d
** Last Mounted on /mnt/suur_ketas
** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes

CANNOT READ BLK: 51184064
UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY

CONTINUE? yes

THE FOLLOWING DISK SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: 51184077, 51184080,
** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames
** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity
** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts
** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups

CANNOT READ BLK: 51184064
UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY

CONTINUE? yes

THE FOLLOWING DISK SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: 51184077, 51184080,
160 files, 53062183 used, 65193686 free (78 frags, 8149201 blocks,
0.0%fragmentation)

* FILE SYSTEM STILL DIRTY *

* PLEASE RERUN FSCK *
pepe# mount /dev/ad3s1d /mnt/suur_ketas/
mount: /dev/ad3s1d: Input/output error
pepe# mount /dev/ad3s1d /mnt/suur_ketas/
mount: /dev/ad3s1d: Input/output error


I'm not yet very familiar with harddisks, filesystems, and FreeBSD, 
but is

there anything else i could try to make the disk usable again, or is it
somehow physically damaged?

-taavi k6ps tänavsuu
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.


Taavi,
I'm not an expert but the smartmontools port may help, I am installing 
it now to keep me informed of hdd status. I can remember reading in the 
documentation about repairing drives.

http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6983

I hope this helps in some way,

Ivan

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Re: Harddisk problem

2007-04-11 Thread Alex Zbyslaw


Taavi Tänavsuu wrote:



I'm not yet very familiar with harddisks, filesystems, and FreeBSD, 
but is

there anything else i could try to make the disk usable again, or is it
somehow physically damaged?


There are two possibilities:

1) The disk is damaged.  From your output that's what I'd think.  
Download the Samsung diagnostics for your disk and try them.  If the 
disk fails those, then you should be able to get a warranty 
replacement.  Before that, you could try installing the smartmontools 
port and running smartctl -a /dev/{your disk}.  That will tell you if 
the disk itself thinks it is dying.


2) But before you do any of that, try changing the cable that connects 
your disk.  It may be as simple as that, but your errors are a bit too 
specific for me to believe this is the problem.  After changing the 
cable try your fsck again.  But really, this looks like a long shot.


3) Before any of those things, copy your files somewhere else, if you 
can.  Dying disks often get worse.  Not quite sure how you'll manage 
that given that you don't seem to be able to mount the disk.  Maybe 
someone here will have an idea.  Something with dd ought to work, if you 
have somewhere to dd to.


--Alex



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No CD/DVD devices found after booting from FreeBSD 6.2 CD 1

2007-04-11 Thread Isaac Grover


Good morning,

I am attempting to install FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE on a Dell Dimension
C521n (no Windows pre-installed) with a Sony model DDU1615S CD/DVD
drive as the chosen boot media.  Booting from the CD shows that the CD
drive shows up as cd, and after doing the fdisk/disklabel stuff,
trying to choose the CD drive as the chosen boot media gives me an
error window with the message No CD/DVD devices found.  I would
include a dmesg output if I knew how to get to it during an install.
Why can't FreeBSD see the CD drive after sysinstall starts when it can
clearly see it before sysinstall starts?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Boot failure after installation

2007-04-11 Thread Jerry McAllister

On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 07:48:07PM -0700, L Goodwin wrote:

 Is there a way to run the FDISK tool outside of the freebds installer? 
 How do I change the disk configuration without reinstalling freebsd 
 every @[EMAIL PROTECTED] time?

Yes, all sysinstall does is collect the information and run fdisk for you.
See the man page   (enter  man fdisk )

It can be a little hard to read at first.  The fdisk and bsdlabel don't 
follow the normal man page form.

One thing you must know;  you cannot run fdisk on a drive that is in
active use.  If you booted from that drive or if you are CD-ed in to 
a file system on the drive, the system will not let you write to the
drive using fdisk.   You can only use fdisk to read the slice table
and run prototype setups that do not actually write out to the disk.

Trying to write to a drive that is active is a very popular mistake
when attempting to use fdisk.

So, read the fdisk man page and then come back with some more specific
questions if you need.

 I really want to set up a FreeBSD server and appreciate the learning 
 experience, but it's way past the point where I should have switched to an OS 
 that will actually run on my client's server. If I don't get it going 
 tonight, I'm going to install the first Linux distribution that says Hey, 
 Sailor...  =8-0

Guess you will need to follow the installation instructions in the FreeBSD
handbook more carefully.

 BTW, I burned a freeSBIE 2.0.1 Live CD, but have no idea what to do with it. 
 Yes, I am pathetically clueless. Thanks for your patience!

Just boot it up and run it.It will give you a very basic working
environment.Then do something like you might in a UNIX system, 
like ls or cd or df or whatever.

 
 Derek Ragona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   One other thing that 
 might be happening is if the geometry of the drive isn't allowing an 
 extended translation because of the age of your hardware, you may need to 
 keep the boot partition, that is the entire boot partition (not talking 
 slices here) within the first 1024 cylinders.  In the partition tool in 
 sysinstall you can change the display to show different units, and one of 
 those will be cylinders.  The 1024 cylinder limit is from older BIOS 
 translations and if the boot partition extended beyond 1024 the system 
 will give that same error you are getting.

If the machine is built any less than about 11 years ago, this doesn't apply.

  With older hardware you may need to use multiple partitions instead of 
 slices.  You can have 4 partitons on a drive (4 is hardcoded in the 
 partition table size and a location) so you can add additional partitions 
 for swap and /usr if you want.  Any partitions you use for filesystems 
 like /usr the boot manager will see and offer to boot them.  They won't 
 boot of course.  Swap partitions are ignored by the boot manager. 
 
This is mostly incorrect and even backwards.

First of all, there are 4 slices possible on a drive (or raid set for all
that matters).   Microsoft tends to call slices Primary Partitions.
Slices are created and managed by the fdisk utility.  Fdisk also writes
the Master Boot Record (MBR) (but not the boot sector).

In FreeBSD you can divide each slice up in to partitions which are
identified as a..h, although 'c' is reserved.   These partitions are
created and managed by the FreeBSD bsdlabel utility (or disklabel in
older versions).   Bsdlabel also writes the boot sector.

  Otherwise, I'd suspect it is a problem with the 6.2 you are using then.  
 If you try with a boot within the 1024 (I wouldn't push that to the 
 limit I'd say try like 950 cylinders) then I would try an earlier 
 version such as 6.1 or 6.0.
 

The whole issue of 1024 cylinders limit for bootable file systems
went away with improved BIOS about 11 years ago.
If you have a system old enough to have the problem, you should be
updating the BIOS rather than trying to accomodate the limit.

jerry

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Re: Locking SSH Users to $HOME

2007-04-11 Thread David Robillard


Using the SSHD server, how can I lock users SSH'ing into a box into their
home directory, without having access to the /usr/home directory as a
whole?


You can try to use the security/ssh2 port to replace the base system's
sshd(8). This version of ssh supports additional chroot configuration
options which lets you do exactly what you're looking for.

Here's a link to the port:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/security/ssh2/pkg-descr

Here's an article which shows you how to do what your looking for:
http://freebsdrocks.net/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=51Itemid=1

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Re: Question about the /etc/hosts file


At 07:54 PM 4/10/2007, RW wrote:

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:52:43 -0500
Derek Ragona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 03:48 PM 4/10/2007, L33T Networks wrote:
 What is the second line with 10.20.30.199, and the hostname ends in a
 period? I've never seen this in a host file previous to FBSD v.6.
 
 apollo# cat /etc/hosts
 #::1localhost.mydomain.com localhost
 127.0.0.1   localhost.mydomain.com localhost
 10.20.30.199apollo.mydomain.com apollo
 10.20.30.199apollo.mydomain.com.
 
 Is this something that's required for other IP addresses that will
 be added to the hosts file in the future?

 Names ending in a dot represent the fully qualified domain name.  You
 do it all on one line but it gets too long to easily see and edit.

But that doesn't explain why apollo.mydomain.com. appears as both a
FQDN and a PQDN


Actually it does.  The partial names are shortcut aliases for that 
name.  On this system you can do things like:

ping apollo
ping apollo.mydomain.com
ping apollo.mydomain.com.

So can any of the network services.  Just makes it easier for us 
humans.  As names are just used so us humans don't need to memorize IP 
addresses.


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Re: do i have to use all the security bulletins ?

2007-04-11 Thread Vince

What version of FreeBSD are you running? freebsd-update was only
introduced in 6.1 if i remember rightly.
If you dont have it, its worth installing all the security updates by
hand if they are for services you use.
I'm re-including the list since there are plenty more people who can
help there :)


Vince



Roelof Wobben wrote:
 oeps, a typo.
 
 I ment :
 freebsd-update
 
 Regards,
 
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  Hello,
 
  Thank you for your help but when i do :
  # bsd-update fetch
 
  I get unknown command error message
 

 that was
 freebsd-update

 regards,
 Vince


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Re: mounting an external Hard Drive

2007-04-11 Thread Tun Eler


 Are you sure it is formatted with FAT? It could be NTFS.
 Try running 'fsck_msdosfs /dev/da0s1'

# fsck_msdosfs /dev/da0s1
** /dev/da0s1
Unknown file system version: 1d.1c

# mount_ntfs /dev/da0s1 /exthd
# df
/dev/da0s1  244196000 39178084 205017916    16%    /exthd

!!! coool !!! Thanks ...


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Re: Installing the CVS

2007-04-11 Thread Ivan Voras


Dhananjaya hiremath wrote:

 Hello sir,

   Please specifies how to get the CVS to FreeBSD.And some packages are not


CVS is a part of FreeBSD and it's always installed.


  installing lile( samba,python etc) It is giving the error so how we can 
install this one.


See http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html



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Re: awk question


At 07:43 PM 4/10/2007, Gary Kline wrote:

On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 06:35:33PM -0500, Derek Ragona wrote:
 At 06:17 PM 4/10/2007, Gary Kline wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 06:54:07PM -0700, Rick Olson wrote:
  I'm assuming you've already taken care of this, but to answer your
  original question in AWK form, you could have done the following:
 
  ls -l | awk '$8 == 2006 {system(rm  $9)}'
 
 
 i'Ll save your snippet to my growing %%% awk file in my ~/HowTo,
 thankee much.  I'm in the first stages on a months-long trial on
 system tuning.  This, before I'd risk publishing anything.  So
 far tho, by upping and lower the NICE prio of various binaries, I
 have been able to get more than 70% efficient use out of my older
 servers.  ---This *ought* to carry over to my faster machines
 
 Is tthere a way of using ps -alx | ask to look at nice and if it
 is non-zero (the default), to reset it to zero?

 You can easily do some of this using top, such as:
 top -bS 200 | tail -n +9 | awk '{ print $5 }'

 If you want to tweak the nice value you'd need to examine the value and
 then renice it as long as you are root.  You'd need the PID for that, so
 here's another example:
 top -bS 200 | tail -n +9 | awk '{ printf(Pid: %d has Nice: %d\n, 
$1,$5) }'



Well, I knew there had to be a static way to read top.  -bS is
it.  If NICE is 9, then renice-n -9 pid ought to reset it to 0;
so in C, the check for nice or n would be trivial:

if (n != 0)
n = -n;

In you example, would this be if ($1 != 0) $1 = -$1;
then a '{system(renice -n $)};
or is this disallowed in awk?

gary


It is easier to redirect the output to a file then just execute that 
file.  You'd usually have this in a shell script run by cron.


top -bS 200 | tail -n +9 | awk '{ if ($1 != 0) printf(/usr/bin/renice %d 
%d\n, $1,-$5) }'  /tmp/renice.scr

sh -c /tmp/renice.scr

But look at the file generated, you need to do more than just the check for 
0 and then negate it.


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Re: mounting an external Hard Drive

2007-04-11 Thread Tun Eler

 Are you sure it is formatted with FAT? It could be NTFS.


 Try running 'fsck_msdosfs /dev/da0s1'

# fsck_msdosfs /dev/da0s1
** /dev/da0s1
Unknown file system version: 1d.1c

# mount_ntfs /dev/da0s1 /exthd
# df
/dev/da0s1  244196000 39178084 205017916    16%    /exthd

!!! coool !!! Thanks ..

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Re: No CD/DVD devices found after booting from FreeBSD 6.2 CD 1


At 08:07 AM 4/11/2007, Isaac Grover wrote:

Good morning,

I am attempting to install FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE on a Dell Dimension
C521n (no Windows pre-installed) with a Sony model DDU1615S CD/DVD
drive as the chosen boot media.  Booting from the CD shows that the CD
drive shows up as cd, and after doing the fdisk/disklabel stuff,
trying to choose the CD drive as the chosen boot media gives me an
error window with the message No CD/DVD devices found.  I would
include a dmesg output if I knew how to get to it during an install.
Why can't FreeBSD see the CD drive after sysinstall starts when it can
clearly see it before sysinstall starts?

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What interface is the CD drive on?  what interface is the hard drive 
using?  Which version of FreeBSD are you installing i386 or amd64?


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Re: No CD/DVD devices found after booting from FreeBSD 6.2 CD 1

2007-04-11 Thread Ivan Voras


Isaac Grover wrote:

Good morning,

I am attempting to install FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE on a Dell Dimension
C521n (no Windows pre-installed) with a Sony model DDU1615S CD/DVD
drive as the chosen boot media.  Booting from the CD shows that the CD
drive shows up as cd, and after doing the fdisk/disklabel stuff,
trying to choose the CD drive as the chosen boot media gives me an
error window with the message No CD/DVD devices found.  I would
include a dmesg output if I knew how to get to it during an install.


You may scroll back (with ScrollLock key) and see if it's detected.


Why can't FreeBSD see the CD drive after sysinstall starts when it can
clearly see it before sysinstall starts?


Because before it starts it relies on BIOS to provide services (in 
16-bit x86 mode), but after the kernel starts, it must use its own 
drivers (32-bit or 64-bit, depending on your choice) and it seems it 
doesn't have the right drivers. Most CD/DVD drives are standard and 
register as ATA or SCSI drives but, as you see now, there are those that 
require special support.




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sysctl invalid argument

2007-04-11 Thread Beni

Hi list,

When reading through my dmesg, I found this sysctl error/message : sysctl : 
hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest : Invalid argument. Now there is no mention what so 
ever of that option in my /etc/sysctl.conf, so I didn't set it to C1 or 
anything else that seems to be invalid. So my question is : why (and where) 
is it set 2 times and why is it the second time with an invalid argument ? 
Neither the C1 nor the invalid argument seems to be doing any harm to the 
(good) workings of the system...

System : 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -a
FreeBSD www.brinckman.info 6.2-STABLE FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #37: Fri Mar 30 
18:41:46 CEST 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BENI-60  
i386
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ 

[...]
pf enabled
Additional routing options:
.
Starting devd.
Configuring keyboard:
.
Starting ums0 moused:
.
hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest:
C1

sysctl:
hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest
:
Invalid argument
Mounting NFS file systems:
[...]

Thanks,

Beni.
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Re: What am I not understanding about /etc/exports?

2007-04-11 Thread David Benfell

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:04:15 +0400, Boris Samorodov wrote:
 On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:30:37 +0400 Boris Samorodov wrote:
 
   earth% df
   Filesystem  1K-blocks UsedAvail Capacity  Mounted on
   /dev/ad0s1a  62963306 16456346 4146989628%/
 
  So, / and /usr are parts of one slice. That's the problem [1]. One can
  have only one line per slice at /etc/exports.
 
 Sorry, not per slice but per filesystem. I.e. you should use one
 line per directories located at /dev/ad0s1a, etc.
 
Okay, success!  Thanks!

It took several tries to get it quite right, with several reboots of
*both* systems; I guess there's some handshaking that is tenuous rather
than robust.

The most recent version is:

/ -alldirs -maproot=root 127.0.0.1 192.168.19.1 66.93.170.243
#/usr/src -alldirs -maproot=root 127.0.0.1 192.168.19.1
#/usr -alldirs -maproot=root 127.0.0.1 192.168.19.1
/public -alldirs -maproot=root 127.0.0.1 192.168.18.45 192.168.18.46 
192.168.19.1
/home -alldirs -maproot=root 127.0.0.1 192.168.18.45 192.168.18.46 192.168.19.1
/cdrom -alldirs,quiet,ro 127.0.0.1 -network 192.168 -mask 255.255.0.0

I had to add 66.93.170.243, the external address of the system, because
when I made the other change, I saw complaints from sfs stuff that I'd
never gotten working.  It is just possible we've now killed two birds with
one stone.

Thanks!


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Re: No CD/DVD devices found after booting from FreeBSD 6.2 CD 1

2007-04-11 Thread Josh Carroll


Because before it starts it relies on BIOS to provide services (in
16-bit x86 mode), but after the kernel starts, it must use its own
drivers (32-bit or 64-bit, depending on your choice) and it seems it
doesn't have the right drivers. Most CD/DVD drives are standard and
register as ATA or SCSI drives but, as you see now, there are those that
require special support.


It looks like the chipset on that particular Dell model is the NVIDIA
nForce 430. Others have had success with that chipset, and even a
similar Dell model according to this page:

http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/amd64/motherboards.html

You may want to try updating the BIOS. The entry for the Dell E521
mentions a BIOS update.

Josh
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Re: Chroot/jail mechanism in ssh and sftp connections

2007-04-11 Thread Thiago Esteves de Oliveira

Thanks for the suggestion. I intend to study about this possible solution but 
to save time I'd
like to ask you some questions.

With this software, can I control which accounts from the unix passwd file 
will be able to log in?

If there is a symbolic link in the home directory(jail/chroot) that point to 
anywhere out of it,
will the users be able to use this symlink? Will they go out from their 
jail/chroot directory this
way?

Derek Ragona wrote:
 At 10:28 AM 4/10/2007, Thiago Esteves de Oliveira wrote:
Hello,
I want to use the chroot/jail mechanism in user's ssh and sftp
connections. I've read some
tutorials and possible solutions to jail/chroot the users into their own home 
directories. One
is
to install the openssh-portable(with chroot option turned on) from the ports 
collection. I've
installed the openssh-portable, but the jail/chroot mechanism didn't work. I 
think it requires
some configuration in its sshd_config file, but I'm not sure because I have 
found nothing about
jail/chroot in the openssh(sshd_config) man pages.

 I have implemented a similar setup using vsftpd from the ports.  It works 
 well for secure ftp
when used with the filezilla client.  You can limit the ftp command in the 
vsftpd configuration
file so users cannot get out of their home directories, which chroots them 
there.  You do need to
add one thing to the accounts, which is to change their home directory in 
/etc/passwd adding an
additional dot.  For instance if a users home directory is:
 /home/user

 You'd need to change it to:
 /home/./user

 vsftpd is well documented and relatively easy to get setup and running.

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Re: sysctl invalid argument

2007-04-11 Thread Kevin Kinsey


Beni wrote:

Hi list,

When reading through my dmesg, I found this sysctl error/message : sysctl : 
hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest : Invalid argument. Now there is no mention what so 
ever of that option in my /etc/sysctl.conf, so I didn't set it to C1 or 
anything else that seems to be invalid. So my question is : why (and where) 
is it set 2 times and why is it the second time with an invalid argument ? 
Neither the C1 nor the invalid argument seems to be doing any harm to the 
(good) workings of the system...




Check /etc/defaults/rc.conf.

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rm --clear-directory /home/me/another_dir

2007-04-11 Thread deeptech71

Is there a way to clear a directory with such a command (keeping the owner and 
permissions of the folder)?


Yes there are the obvious ones:
cd /home/me/another_dir  rm *
rm /home/me/another_dir/* // if cant traverse here

But something that doesn't rely on the shell.
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Re: Chroot/jail mechanism in ssh and sftp connections

At 11:20 AM 4/11/2007, Thiago Esteves de Oliveira wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion. I intend to study about this possible solution
but to save time I'd

like to ask you some questions.

With this software, can I control which accounts from the unix passwd
file will be able to log in?

Yes just set the shell to a non-login shell for users you don't want to
give shell access. Typically I set those user's shell to:

/usr/bin/false

If there is a symbolic link in the home directory(jail/chroot) that point
to anywhere out of it,
will the users be able to use this symlink? Will they go out from their
jail/chroot directory this

way?

You can actually specify what ftp commands are allowed in the vsftpd.conf file
in one server I manage I have set:
cmds_allowed=PASV,RETR,QUIT,USER,PASS,STOR,CDDN,CWD,LIST,GET,PUT,DIR,PWD,SYST,LS,TYPE,DELE,FEAT,PBSZ,PROT

But you'd probably want to remove any symlinks that shouldn't be there.

is
to install the openssh-portable(with chroot option turned on) from the
ports collection. I've
installed the openssh-portable, but the jail/chroot mechanism didn't work.
I think it requires
some configuration in its sshd_config file, but I'm not sure because I
have found nothing about

jail/chroot in the openssh(sshd_config) man pages.

I have implemented a similar setup using vsftpd from the ports. It
works well for secure ftp
when used with the filezilla client. You can limit the ftp command in the
vsftpd configuration
file so users cannot get out of their home directories, which chroots them
there. You do need to
add one thing to the accounts, which is to change their home directory in
/etc/passwd adding an

additional dot. For instance if a users home directory is:
/home/user

You'd need to change it to:
/home/./user

vsftpd is well documented and relatively easy to get setup and running.

-Derek

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Re: rm --clear-directory /home/me/another_dir

2007-04-11 Thread Pieter de Goeje

On Wednesday 11 April 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 and permissions of the folder)?

 Yes there are the obvious ones:
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fetchmail checksum mismatch error

2007-04-11 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot

Dear all,

I tried updating fetchmail today from 6.3.6 to 6.3.8. I used portupgrade
to do it. However, I got an error message about checksum mismatch.

I suspect it may have something to do with me stopping the upgrade process
because while downloading the files, the connection froze and there was no
progress for about 15 minutes or so. So I pressect CTRL-C on the command
line and tried again. Since then I have been getting checksum mismatch
warnings and I am not able to upgrade.

What should I do now? Your advice is very much appreciated!

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At 11:50 AM 4/11/2007, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote:

Dear all,

I tried updating fetchmail today from 6.3.6 to 6.3.8. I used portupgrade
to do it. However, I got an error message about checksum mismatch.

I suspect it may have something to do with me stopping the upgrade process
because while downloading the files, the connection froze and there was no
progress for about 15 minutes or so. So I pressect CTRL-C on the command
line and tried again. Since then I have been getting checksum mismatch
warnings and I am not able to upgrade.

What should I do now? Your advice is very much appreciated!

Thank you!


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Re: fetchmail checksum mismatch error

2007-04-11 Thread Martin Tournoij

On Wed 11 Apr 2007 18:04, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote:
 Dear all,
 
 I tried updating fetchmail today from 6.3.6 to 6.3.8. I used portupgrade
 to do it. However, I got an error message about checksum mismatch.
 
 I suspect it may have something to do with me stopping the upgrade process
 because while downloading the files, the connection froze and there was no
 progress for about 15 minutes or so. So I pressect CTRL-C on the command
 line and tried again. Since then I have been getting checksum mismatch
 warnings and I am not able to upgrade.
 
 What should I do now? Your advice is very much appreciated!
 
 Thank you!

Remove the corrupted fetchmail file:
rm -fr /usr/ports/distfiles/fetchmail*
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Re: fetchmail checksum mismatch error

2007-04-11 Thread Kevin Kinsey


Zbigniew Szalbot wrote:

Dear all,

I tried updating fetchmail today from 6.3.6 to 6.3.8. I used portupgrade
to do it. However, I got an error message about checksum mismatch.

I suspect it may have something to do with me stopping the upgrade process
because while downloading the files, the connection froze and there was no
progress for about 15 minutes or so. So I pressect CTRL-C on the command
line and tried again. Since then I have been getting checksum mismatch
warnings and I am not able to upgrade.

What should I do now? Your advice is very much appreciated!

Thank you!


Possibly, delete the partially-downloaded fetchmail tarball in 
/usr/ports/distfiles and try again?


HTH,

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replacing failing drive

2007-04-11 Thread Dave


Hello,
   I've got a drive that i'm uncertain if it's failing. It is making an 
occational clicking noise, which is getting more frequent. I installed 
smartmontools and tried to start them, output below:


#smartctl -a /dev/ad0
smartctl version 5.37 [i386-portbld-freebsd6.1] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce 
Allen

Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/

Smartctl: Device Read Identity Failed (not an ATA/ATAPI device)

A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T 
permissive' options.

#/usr/local/etc/rc.d/smartd start
Starting smartd.
(pass0:vpo0:0:5:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 0 0 0 24 0
(pass0:vpo0:0:5:0): CAM Status: Command timeout
(pass0:vpo0:0:5:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 0 0 0 40 0
(pass0:vpo0:0:5:0): CAM Status: Command timeout
(pass0:vpo0:0:5:0): Vendor Specific Command. CDB: 85 8 e 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 
0 ec 0

(pass0:vpo0:0:5:0): CAM Status: Command timeout
(pass0:vpo0:0:5:0): Vendor Specific Command. CDB: 85 8 e 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 
0 a1 0

(pass0:vpo0:0:5:0): CAM Status: Command timeout

Does this mean this drive is failing? I've got another identical drive that 
i run smartd on and it doesn't have any issues picking up it's smart id or 
in running tests on it. This is on a 6.2 box. If this drive is failing i'd 
like to drop in another one with minimum downtime. Could someone check my 
procedure:


1. Install new drive as slave
2. Use sysinstall to partition the new drive (i only use a single partition)
3. Use sysinstall to create bsd labels and give them the same values as the 
master drive

4. Use sysinstall to install the boot manager on slave drive
5. Use dump/restore to copy all data on to the slave drive.
6. Power down the box, remove old master drive, set new drive to master, and 
reboot


Thanks.
Dave.

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Re: fetchmail checksum mismatch error

2007-04-11 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot

Hello again,

line and tried again. Since then I have been getting checksum mismatch
warnings and I am not able to upgrade.
What should I do now? Your advice is very much appreciated!

 delete the downloaded bad file from /usr/ports/distfiles and then
 download
 a good file.

That was it! Folks - I just want to say that you are a very friendly and
helpful community here. Thank you all very much!

Warm regards,

-- 
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Re: fetchmail checksum mismatch error

2007-04-11 Thread Apatewna


O/H Zbigniew Szalbot έγραψε:

Dear all,

I tried updating fetchmail today from 6.3.6 to 6.3.8. I used portupgrade
to do it. However, I got an error message about checksum mismatch.

I suspect it may have something to do with me stopping the upgrade process
because while downloading the files, the connection froze and there was no
progress for about 15 minutes or so. So I pressect CTRL-C on the command
line and tried again. Since then I have been getting checksum mismatch
warnings and I am not able to upgrade.

What should I do now? Your advice is very much appreciated!

Thank you!


Make absolutely sure that there are no fetchmail instances delivering 
mail to your mail queue. Check your mail logs for this.
When the traffic is stopped (daemon goes to sleep or all deliveries are 
done), make sure that fetchmail daemon is stopped 
(/usr/local/bin/fetchmail -q) or if it is run from cron, temporarily 
remove the entry.


As a general rule of thumb, if a port download breaks at some point you 
should start over, but first you should clean up the mess.
A make distclean and make clean inside the fetchmail port directory 
(/usr/ports/mail/fetchmail) will delete the half-downloaded file and 
clean up the work directory.


The half-downloaded file is in /usr/ports/distfiles


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RE: replacing failing drive

2007-04-11 Thread Ruben

Hi Dave, 

You could prepare the replacement drive offline and test it first, provided
you have a generic kernel you can do this on any piece of hardware you have
lying around. By the way there is no need to install anything, check out a
previous answer I wrote, it's for changing RAID levels but the concept is
pretty much the same : 

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-July/092529.html

Good luck, 

Ruben 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: April 11, 2007 7:02 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: replacing failing drive

Hello,
I've got a drive that i'm uncertain if it's failing. It is making an 
occational clicking noise, which is getting more frequent. I installed 
smartmontools and tried to start them, output below:

#smartctl -a /dev/ad0
smartctl version 5.37 [i386-portbld-freebsd6.1] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce 
Allen
Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/

Smartctl: Device Read Identity Failed (not an ATA/ATAPI device)

A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T 
permissive' options.
#/usr/local/etc/rc.d/smartd start
Starting smartd.
(pass0:vpo0:0:5:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 0 0 0 24 0
(pass0:vpo0:0:5:0): CAM Status: Command timeout
(pass0:vpo0:0:5:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 0 0 0 40 0
(pass0:vpo0:0:5:0): CAM Status: Command timeout
(pass0:vpo0:0:5:0): Vendor Specific Command. CDB: 85 8 e 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0

0 ec 0
(pass0:vpo0:0:5:0): CAM Status: Command timeout
(pass0:vpo0:0:5:0): Vendor Specific Command. CDB: 85 8 e 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0

0 a1 0
(pass0:vpo0:0:5:0): CAM Status: Command timeout

Does this mean this drive is failing? I've got another identical drive that 
i run smartd on and it doesn't have any issues picking up it's smart id or 
in running tests on it. This is on a 6.2 box. If this drive is failing i'd 
like to drop in another one with minimum downtime. Could someone check my 
procedure:

1. Install new drive as slave
2. Use sysinstall to partition the new drive (i only use a single partition)
3. Use sysinstall to create bsd labels and give them the same values as the 
master drive
4. Use sysinstall to install the boot manager on slave drive
5. Use dump/restore to copy all data on to the slave drive.
6. Power down the box, remove old master drive, set new drive to master, and

reboot

Thanks.
Dave.

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RE: Error with make buildworld

2007-04-11 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost

Hello:

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Wissmann
 Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:52 PM
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Error with make buildworld

 Hello all!

 I'm having serious trouble with getting my system up to date. I
 installed FreeBSD 6.2 as of January 13, 2007 and cvsup'ed it to the
 newest sources. When running make buildworld I got the error message
 which you can see below. This happened two or three times and always
 came the same error up. Though I'm not the greatest programmer I now
 seek help through the list. Are there any hints you can give?

 Greetings

 Frank

This is from 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html

23.4.14.6. What do I do if something goes wrong?

Make absolutely sure your environment has no extraneous cruft from earlier 
builds. This is simple enough.

# chflags -R noschg /usr/obj/usr
# rm -rf /usr/obj/usr
# cd /usr/src
# make cleandir
# make cleandir
Yes, make cleandir really should be run twice.

Then restart the whole process, starting with make buildworld.

Mike
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Re: wine on amd64

2007-04-11 Thread Steve Franks


On 4/10/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 02:42:35PM +0200, Tijl Coosemans wrote:
 On Monday 09 April 2007 19:28:50 Kris Kennaway wrote:
  On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 09:37:00AM -0700, Steve Franks wrote:
   Why does the wine port complain that it will not build on my
   6.2/amd64 machine?  A quick search around winehq.com seems to
   indicate that the linux (kubuntu, debian) guys compile wine on
   their 64-bit platforms???  And you know how we *hate* to let them
   think they have something we bsd-ites do not ;)
 
  Extra patches, I guess.  Why not look into it and see what needs to
  be added to our port?

 Wine runs win32 programs. It needs to be built as a 32bit program
 linked with 32bit libraries. The ports/package system can't handle
 32bit code on amd64.

Well it can, you just need to also have 32-bit versions of all the
other ports too.  It is true that no-one has really worked on this,
but it's not technically difficult.

Kris



Is there already a means for building a particular port as 32 bits on a
64-bit machine?  It seems that the infrastructure for having multiple
versions of a particular port installed is already there.  I know
6.2-64already has some 32-bit compatilibity infrastructure of some
sort.  As you
say, it certainly doesn't seem beyond the realm of technical possibility.
Since all my machines (even my crappy $400usd laptop) all have amd64
processors, why should I be locked into installing the x86 version just to
run my CAD packages on wine?  The qemu option sounds easy enough, but I
moved to fbsd so I could ditch MS's unethical business practices and bugs -
don't like the thought of installing it again on my pristine bsd server ;)

Steve
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looking for something like an embedded ftp server

2007-04-11 Thread Derrill Guilbert


I've been given an old machine, and asked to turn it into an ftp server. It
will got on its own IP, separate from the one our LAN uses. It will have
three read-only users and maybe five read/write users. It will contain
design data that we're transferring to the offices in China. That is, we
will upload it from here in at the main office, and the China staff will
download it to implement the little containers we're building.

This does not need to be secure beyond password protection necessarily,
though some sort of secure FTP would be fine.

What I would really prefer is some sort of BSD based simple FTP server
setup. I've found several BSD based router/firewall/whatever servers out
there, such as m0n0wall and pfsense, among others, and I would like
something that simple for an FTP server. That is, I want to be able to
install the server and then only have to configure users, no mess with
hardening things and setting up pf or so ...

Does such a thing exist? Am I needlessly complicating things for myself in
another way (often the case, I'm little more than a user when it comes to
FreeBSD)?

Any kind of guidance on this topic would be appreciated --- if what I want
to do can be done with a custom install of FreeBSD, that'd be wonderful
also.

Thank you in advance for any guidance.

Derrill
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Re: rm --clear-directory /home/me/another_dir

2007-04-11 Thread deeptech71


Pieter de Goeje wrote:

On Wednesday 11 April 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is there a way to clear a directory with such a command (keeping the owner
and permissions of the folder)?

Yes there are the obvious ones:
cd /home/me/another_dir  rm *
rm /home/me/another_dir/* // if cant traverse here

But something that doesn't rely on the shell.

cd /some/dir  find . -delete

Cheers, Pieter



Well, IMO, for aesthetical and logical purposes, /some/dir should point to the 
directory, and /some/dir/ should point to the inside of the directory (as in 
copy INTO or FROM). So:


# cp /one /two/// this copies dir one into dir two, so there will be a dir 
named /one/two after this command


# cp /one/ /two/
== Do you want to recursively overwrite contents of dir /two with the content 
of dir /one ? [n] y


# cp /one /two
== Do you want to recursively overwrite /two with /one ? [n] y

# cp /one/ /two
cp: error - overwrite a dir with some other contents? WTF?

oh and of course:
rm -R /dir// removes dir
rm -R /dir/// clears dir


How hard will it be to convince the developers to swich to this scheme? since 
all scripts will have to be reworked...

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Re: looking for something like an embedded ftp server

2007-04-11 Thread David J Brooks

On Wednesday 11 April 2007 12:26:42 pm Derrill Guilbert wrote:
 I've been given an old machine, and asked to turn it into an ftp server. It
 will got on its own IP, separate from the one our LAN uses. It will have
 three read-only users and maybe five read/write users. It will contain
 design data that we're transferring to the offices in China. That is, we
 will upload it from here in at the main office, and the China staff will
 download it to implement the little containers we're building.

 This does not need to be secure beyond password protection necessarily,
 though some sort of secure FTP would be fine.

 What I would really prefer is some sort of BSD based simple FTP server
 setup. I've found several BSD based router/firewall/whatever servers out
 there, such as m0n0wall and pfsense, among others, and I would like
 something that simple for an FTP server. That is, I want to be able to
 install the server and then only have to configure users, no mess with
 hardening things and setting up pf or so ...

 Does such a thing exist? Am I needlessly complicating things for myself in
 another way (often the case, I'm little more than a user when it comes to
 FreeBSD)?

 Any kind of guidance on this topic would be appreciated --- if what I want
 to do can be done with a custom install of FreeBSD, that'd be wonderful
 also.

 Thank you in advance for any guidance.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-ftp.html

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Re: Chroot/jail mechanism in ssh and sftp connections

2007-04-11 Thread Thiago Esteves de Oliveira

Thanks, I think this is the solution for the sftp connections using jail/chroot
mechanism.

Derek Ragona wrote:
At 11:20 AM 4/11/2007, Thiago Esteves de Oliveira wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion. I intend to study about this possible solution
but to save time I'd
like to ask you some questions.

With this software, can I control which accounts from the unix passwd
file will be able to log in?

Yes just set the shell to a non-login shell for users you don't want to
give shell access. Typically I set those user's shell to:
/usr/bin/false

If there is a symbolic link in the home directory(jail/chroot) that points
to anywhere out of it,
will the users be able to use this symlink? Will they go out from their
jail/chroot directory this
way?

But you'd probably want to remove any symlinks that shouldn't be there.

Derek Ragona wrote:
At 10:28 AM 4/10/2007, Thiago Esteves de Oliveira wrote:
Hello,
I want to use the chroot/jail mechanism in user's ssh and sftp
connections. I've read some
tutorials and possible solutions to jail/chroot the users into their
own home directories. One
is
to install the openssh-portable(with chroot option turned on) from the
ports collection. I've
installed the openssh-portable, but the jail/chroot mechanism didn't work.
I think it requires
some configuration in its sshd_config file, but I'm not sure because I
have found nothing about
jail/chroot in the openssh(sshd_config) man pages.

You'd need to change it to:
/home/./user

vsftpd is well documented and relatively easy to get setup and running.

-Derek

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Re: rm --clear-directory /home/me/another_dir

In response to [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Pieter de Goeje wrote:
  On Wednesday 11 April 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Is there a way to clear a directory with such a command (keeping the owner
  and permissions of the folder)?
 
  Yes there are the obvious ones:
  cd /home/me/another_dir  rm *
  rm /home/me/another_dir/* // if cant traverse here
 
  But something that doesn't rely on the shell.
  cd /some/dir  find . -delete
  
  Cheers, Pieter
  
 
 Well, IMO, for aesthetical and logical purposes, /some/dir should point to 
 the 
 directory, and /some/dir/ should point to the inside of the directory (as in 
 copy INTO or FROM). So:
 
 # cp /one /two/// this copies dir one into dir two, so there will be a 
 dir 
 named /one/two after this command
 
 # cp /one/ /two/
 == Do you want to recursively overwrite contents of dir /two with the 
 content 
 of dir /one ? [n] y
 
 # cp /one /two
 == Do you want to recursively overwrite /two with /one ? [n] y
 
 # cp /one/ /two
 cp: error - overwrite a dir with some other contents? WTF?
 
 oh and of course:
 rm -R /dir// removes dir
 rm -R /dir/// clears dir
 
 
 How hard will it be to convince the developers to swich to this scheme? since 
 all scripts will have to be reworked...

All you have to do is change the POSIX standards and everyone will follow.

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Fw: get me off this list

2007-04-11 Thread Ted Ims

I'm incorrectly receiving the list as well and can't unsubscribe.

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  what is this list and why am i on it?!?!

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 Sent: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 5:28 PM
 Subject: RE: Verifying that I have SMP up and running

  Hello Jim:

 -Original Message-
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Stapleton
 Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:52 PM
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Verifying that I have SMP up and running

 I added SMP to the kernel config, but I want to make sure that it's
 running. I tried top, as I'm used to seeing multiple processors listed
 there (Tru64, Linux), but did not see it in FreeBSD. However I got the
 dmesg below (see end of mail, the beginning of dmesg output), which
 seems to indicate it's up an running. Can someone verify this, and are
 there any good tools to show how much each CPU is using in the way of
 resources?

 Thanks,
 -Jim Stapleton

 Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project.
 Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993,
 1994
 The Regents of the University of California. All rights
 reserved.
 FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.
 FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #0: Sun Apr  8 14:50:03 UTC 2007
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/JIM20070408-SMP
 Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
 CPU: Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 180 (2412.38-MHz 686-class
 CPU)
   Origin = AuthenticAMD  Id = 0x20f32  Stepping = 2

Features=0x178bfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PG
 E,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT
   Features2=0x1SSE3
   AMD Features=0xe2500800SYSCALL,NX,MMX+,FFXSR,LM,3DNow+,3DNow
   AMD Features2=0x3LAHF,CMP
   Cores per package: 2
 real memory  = 1073676288 (1023 MB)
 avail memory = 1033093120 (985 MB)
 ACPI APIC Table: Nvidia AWRDACPI
 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs
  cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID:  0
  cpu1 (AP): APIC ID:  1
 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 2
 ioapic0 Version 1.1 irqs 0-23 on motherboard

You should be able to see both processors in top, under the C column.
You will see a 0 or 1 depending on which processor is doing the work for
that process.  There aren't cumulative, per-processor totals but you can
get a decent idea of what's going on.

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Re: Fw: get me off this list

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 I'm incorrectly receiving the list as well and can't unsubscribe.

What have you tried to do to unsubscribe?

Can you please send as attachment a message that you get from the list,
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   what is this list and why am i on it?!?!
 
  -Original Message-
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  Sent: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 5:28 PM
  Subject: RE: Verifying that I have SMP up and running
  
   Hello Jim:
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd-
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Stapleton
  Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:52 PM
  To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  Subject: Verifying that I have SMP up and running
  
  I added SMP to the kernel config, but I want to make sure that it's
  running. I tried top, as I'm used to seeing multiple processors listed
  there (Tru64, Linux), but did not see it in FreeBSD. However I got the
  dmesg below (see end of mail, the beginning of dmesg output), which
  seems to indicate it's up an running. Can someone verify this, and are
  there any good tools to show how much each CPU is using in the way of
  resources?
  
  Thanks,
  -Jim Stapleton
  
  Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project.
  Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993,
  1994
  The Regents of the University of California. All rights
  reserved.
  FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.
  FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #0: Sun Apr  8 14:50:03 UTC 2007
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/JIM20070408-SMP
  Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
  CPU: Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 180 (2412.38-MHz 686-class
  CPU)
Origin = AuthenticAMD  Id = 0x20f32  Stepping = 2
  
 
 Features=0x178bfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PG
  E,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT
Features2=0x1SSE3
AMD Features=0xe2500800SYSCALL,NX,MMX+,FFXSR,LM,3DNow+,3DNow
AMD Features2=0x3LAHF,CMP
Cores per package: 2
  real memory  = 1073676288 (1023 MB)
  avail memory = 1033093120 (985 MB)
  ACPI APIC Table: Nvidia AWRDACPI
  FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs
   cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID:  0
   cpu1 (AP): APIC ID:  1
  ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 2
  ioapic0 Version 1.1 irqs 0-23 on motherboard
 
 You should be able to see both processors in top, under the C column.
 You will see a 0 or 1 depending on which processor is doing the work for
 that process.  There aren't cumulative, per-processor totals but you can
 get a decent idea of what's going on.
 
 Mike
 
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Re: Fw: get me off this list

2007-04-11 Thread Giorgos Keramidas

On 2007-04-11 13:59, Ted Ims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm incorrectly receiving the list as well and can't unsubscribe.

'incorrectly' doesn't really explain how messages from the list end up
in your INBOX.

Can you please save the FULL text of a single message you get from the
list, including any email headers, to a plain text file, and attach this
text file to a message posted to me?

I'll go through the headers and try to find out why messages from
freebsd-questions end up in your INBOX and/or help you find out how to
stop this from happening.

Regards,
Giorgos


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Re: command to inentify the process that is listening in a port.

2007-04-11 Thread Bob Johnson


On 4/10/07, Jonathan McKeown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Monday 09 April 2007 17:37, Martin Hudec wrote:
 Siju George wrote:
  How Do you actually Identify what process is listening on a TCP/IP port?
  nmap does not usually give the right answer.
  There should be some command that can be run on the local host for
  identification right?

 man lsof

 5:35pm [amber] ~# lsof -i @localhost:123
 COMMAND PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
 ntpd552 root   10u  IPv4 0xc4c46000  0t0  UDP localhost:ntp

Just out of interest, why do so many people recommend lsof, which is a port,
when sockstat/fstat are in the base system and seem to cover the same
ground?
Am I missing something about lsof?


Linux systems don't have sockstat, so people who got to FreeBSD via
Linux are used to lsof and they tend to continue using it. Same result
for those who read the many Linux howto websites.

- Bob
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Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-11 Thread Gary Kline

On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 09:06:15PM -0400, Jules Gilbert wrote:
 Boy, do I want answers too!
 
 We have HD's that run 24X7.  And I don't want to turn them off, I  
 just want them to sleep quietly until needed.  We have lot's of RAM,  
 thus plenty of cache space.
 
 Our machines are all blades.  (Does this matter?  I don't know.)   
 IBMs and Super-Micros.
 
 We spend zillions of bucks on electricity;  We use these machines  
 24X7 now, but soon will only need them about 12 hours a day.  Is 24X7  
 operation the optimal strategy?
 
 What's the best course here, wrt electric costs, and wrt disk failures?
 

Re disc failures, I recommend investing as many hours/days as 
necessay to decide what it (abs) critical.  Config files from 
as many lcations as reqired, e.g.  If you have a  tape drive,
copy the critical files there.  Buy as many 200-300GB dics as
required to cross-backup your important, but not necessarily
critical files.  And cron ssh backups N times daily...  N =1.
(I bup some files twice a day.)

Power is not going to do anything but get more costly; at the
same time, if you lost all your data in a *poof*, how much would
you be willing to pay to have things back?  

--A parenthetical note: yes, cross-backing up does  pay off.
Recently, I mv'd a file (innocently, I thought) *over* another 
files and lost a few hour technical work.  LUCKILY, I had the 
original file on my laptop  {Whew}  I almost lways save mods
by RCS { ci -l foo}... but  --

 --jg
 
 
 
 On Apr 8, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Yuri Grebenkin wrote:
 
 Just wonder if it's better for an HDD not to spindown at all.
 Maybe it's safer to spin in peace than to park/launch?
 What do you think?
 
 Hello again all,
 I was wondering if there was an automatic, and possibly timed  
 means to
 spin down disks available in either ports or the base system, by  
 chance.
 Just trying to cut down on energy use, and increase my disks'  
 lives :).
 TIA,
 -Garrett
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Re: [maybe spam] Re: sysctl invalid argument

2007-04-11 Thread Beni

On Wednesday 11 April 2007 18:26:20 Kevin Kinsey wrote:
 Beni wrote:
  Hi list,
 
  When reading through my dmesg, I found this sysctl error/message : sysctl
  : hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest : Invalid argument. Now there is no mention what
  so ever of that option in my /etc/sysctl.conf, so I didn't set it to C1
  or anything else that seems to be invalid. So my question is : why (and
  where) is it set 2 times and why is it the second time with an invalid
  argument ? Neither the C1 nor the invalid argument seems to be doing any
  harm to the (good) workings of the system...

 Check /etc/defaults/rc.conf.

 HTH,

 Kevin Kinsey

It seems a bit more complicated than that (to me at least...). I suppose it is 
related to this :
http://monkey.org/freebsd/archive/freebsd-stable/200512/msg00530.html

Thanks for the pointer !

Beni.
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Re: Fw: get me off this list

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:59:49 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Ted Ims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm incorrectly receiving the list as well and can't unsubscribe.

Welcome, Ted! To our little carnival.

Wow! It's getting windy.
Better to form some kind of strategy.
For example to found a club for newcomers.
Or just [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And send everybody there to talk ;-)

- Yuri
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Re: Proper list server? (was Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?)

Well, Jonathan, since you asked, here are the things I've found cumbersome 
about freebsd-questions, some/all of which may be due to my own ignorance:

1) I get all email posted to freebsd-questions in my inbox (actually, some end 
up in bulk mail folder). That's a lot of mail to wade through. I'm trying to 
get a system up and running so I can move on to the next task.
I suppose I could set up some email filtering rules to limit what comes in.

2) To reply to an email, I have to copy/paste freebsd-questions@freebsd.org 
into the To field. If I forget to do this, my reply gets send to the sender 
only.
See? I almost forgot to do it for this reply. :-}

One feature I like about (some) list servers is the ability to send a private 
message to another member. This comes in handy when one person is helping 
troubleshoot a problem, and you don't need everybody on the list to get 
involved.

Jonathan McKeown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 11 April 2007 05:12, L 
Goodwin wrote:
 For starters, how about getting this mail group on a proper list server?
 I'll gladly help if there is anything I can do other than get in the way...

I normally try not to be rude, but...

what on Earth are you talking about? What is it about a Mailman installation 
on a host within the freebsd.org domain that renders it less than proper?

Jonathan
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Re: Fw: get me off this list

2007-04-11 Thread Jaymz Young


Add me to the list of folks who did not subscribe and can not unsubscribe???

On 4/11/07, Ted Ims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I'm incorrectly receiving the list as well and can't unsubscribe.


-Forwarded Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Apr 9, 2007 7:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: get my off this list

  what is this list and why am i on it?!?!

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Sent: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 5:28 PM
 Subject: RE: Verifying that I have SMP up and running

  Hello Jim:

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Stapleton
 Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:52 PM
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Verifying that I have SMP up and running

 I added SMP to the kernel config, but I want to make sure that it's
 running. I tried top, as I'm used to seeing multiple processors listed
 there (Tru64, Linux), but did not see it in FreeBSD. However I got the
 dmesg below (see end of mail, the beginning of dmesg output), which
 seems to indicate it's up an running. Can someone verify this, and are
 there any good tools to show how much each CPU is using in the way of
 resources?

 Thanks,
 -Jim Stapleton

 Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project.
 Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993,
 1994
 The Regents of the University of California. All rights
 reserved.
 FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.
 FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #0: Sun Apr  8 14:50:03 UTC 2007
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/JIM20070408-SMP
 Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
 CPU: Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 180 (2412.38-MHz 686-class
 CPU)
   Origin = AuthenticAMD  Id = 0x20f32  Stepping = 2


Features=0x178bfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PG
 E,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT
   Features2=0x1SSE3
   AMD Features=0xe2500800SYSCALL,NX,MMX+,FFXSR,LM,3DNow+,3DNow
   AMD Features2=0x3LAHF,CMP
   Cores per package: 2
 real memory  = 1073676288 (1023 MB)
 avail memory = 1033093120 (985 MB)
 ACPI APIC Table: Nvidia AWRDACPI
 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs
  cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID:  0
  cpu1 (AP): APIC ID:  1
 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 2
 ioapic0 Version 1.1 irqs 0-23 on motherboard

You should be able to see both processors in top, under the C column.
You will see a 0 or 1 depending on which processor is doing the work for
that process.  There aren't cumulative, per-processor totals but you can
get a decent idea of what's going on.

Mike

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Re: Fw: get me off this list


Are both of you getting the emails via mailanyone.net as well?

Seems to me that someone compromised mailanyone.net -- anyone know for sure?

In response to Jaymz Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Add me to the list of folks who did not subscribe and can not unsubscribe???
 
 On 4/11/07, Ted Ims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'm incorrectly receiving the list as well and can't unsubscribe.
 
 
  -Forwarded Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Apr 9, 2007 7:27 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
  freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  Subject: get my off this list
  
what is this list and why am i on it?!?!
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
   Sent: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 5:28 PM
   Subject: RE: Verifying that I have SMP up and running
  
Hello Jim:
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd-
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Stapleton
   Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:52 PM
   To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
   Subject: Verifying that I have SMP up and running
  
   I added SMP to the kernel config, but I want to make sure that it's
   running. I tried top, as I'm used to seeing multiple processors listed
   there (Tru64, Linux), but did not see it in FreeBSD. However I got the
   dmesg below (see end of mail, the beginning of dmesg output), which
   seems to indicate it's up an running. Can someone verify this, and are
   there any good tools to show how much each CPU is using in the way of
   resources?
  
   Thanks,
   -Jim Stapleton
  
   Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project.
   Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993,
   1994
   The Regents of the University of California. All rights
   reserved.
   FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.
   FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #0: Sun Apr  8 14:50:03 UTC 2007
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/JIM20070408-SMP
   Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
   CPU: Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 180 (2412.38-MHz 686-class
   CPU)
 Origin = AuthenticAMD  Id = 0x20f32  Stepping = 2
  
  
  Features=0x178bfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PG
   E,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT
 Features2=0x1SSE3
 AMD Features=0xe2500800SYSCALL,NX,MMX+,FFXSR,LM,3DNow+,3DNow
 AMD Features2=0x3LAHF,CMP
 Cores per package: 2
   real memory  = 1073676288 (1023 MB)
   avail memory = 1033093120 (985 MB)
   ACPI APIC Table: Nvidia AWRDACPI
   FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs
cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID:  0
cpu1 (AP): APIC ID:  1
   ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 2
   ioapic0 Version 1.1 irqs 0-23 on motherboard
  
  You should be able to see both processors in top, under the C column.
  You will see a 0 or 1 depending on which processor is doing the work for
  that process.  There aren't cumulative, per-processor totals but you can
  get a decent idea of what's going on.
  
  Mike
  
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Re: Proper list server? (was Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?)

2007-04-11 Thread Chuck Swiger


Hi, L--

On Apr 11, 2007, at 12:14 PM, L Goodwin wrote:
1) I get all email posted to freebsd-questions in my inbox  
(actually, some end up in bulk mail folder). That's a lot of mail  
to wade through. I'm trying to get a system up and running so I can  
move on to the next task.  I suppose I could set up some email  
filtering rules to limit what comes in.


You can follow the link to Mailman at the bottom of every list  
message, log in using your email addr (boink on the button to have it  
send you your password, if you don't remember it), and change your  
delivery preference to digest mode or even disable delivery entirely:


  http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions

In addition, Mailman sets the List-ID header recommended by the RFCs,  
which means you can easily filter email from the list to another  
mailbox, via procmail or your mail client's native filtering.


2) To reply to an email, I have to copy/paste freebsd- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] into the To field. If I forget to do this,  
my reply gets send to the sender only.

See? I almost forgot to do it for this reply. :-}


Most mail clients have both a reply and reply to all capability;  
the local convention on the FreeBSD mailing lists is to use reply-to- 
all, perhaps unless you know that the other person is subscribed.


One feature I like about (some) list servers is the ability to send  
a private message to another member. This comes in handy when one  
person is helping troubleshoot a problem, and you don't need  
everybody on the list to get involved.


Nothing stops you from sending private email to someone else  
directly, but normally you want to CC: the list so that everyone can  
benefit from the advice or suggestions being made.  Taking a thread  
to private email tends to be done more when you need to discuss  
private config files which contain passwords or some such...


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Re: Fw: get me off this list

2007-04-11 Thread Jaymz Young


It appears it's only coming from the freebsd distro list.

I sent 2 emails to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

one blank and another with unsubscribe in the message and body of the
email, but noting comes back from the server.

On 4/11/07, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Are both of you getting the emails via mailanyone.net as well?

Seems to me that someone compromised mailanyone.net -- anyone know for
sure?

In response to Jaymz Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Add me to the list of folks who did not subscribe and can not
unsubscribe???

 On 4/11/07, Ted Ims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'm incorrectly receiving the list as well and can't unsubscribe.
 
 
  -Forwarded Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Apr 9, 2007 7:27 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
  freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  Subject: get my off this list
  
what is this list and why am i on it?!?!
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
   Sent: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 5:28 PM
   Subject: RE: Verifying that I have SMP up and running
  
Hello Jim:
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd-
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Stapleton
   Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:52 PM
   To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
   Subject: Verifying that I have SMP up and running
  
   I added SMP to the kernel config, but I want to make sure that it's
   running. I tried top, as I'm used to seeing multiple processors
listed
   there (Tru64, Linux), but did not see it in FreeBSD. However I got
the
   dmesg below (see end of mail, the beginning of dmesg output), which
   seems to indicate it's up an running. Can someone verify this, and
are
   there any good tools to show how much each CPU is using in the way
of
   resources?
  
   Thanks,
   -Jim Stapleton
  
   Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project.
   Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993,
   1994
   The Regents of the University of California. All rights
   reserved.
   FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.
   FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #0: Sun Apr  8 14:50:03 UTC 2007
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/JIM20070408-SMP
   Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
   CPU: Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 180 (2412.38-MHz 686-class
   CPU)
 Origin = AuthenticAMD  Id = 0x20f32  Stepping = 2
  
  
 
Features=0x178bfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PG
   E,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT
 Features2=0x1SSE3
 AMD Features=0xe2500800SYSCALL,NX,MMX+,FFXSR,LM,3DNow+,3DNow
 AMD Features2=0x3LAHF,CMP
 Cores per package: 2
   real memory  = 1073676288 (1023 MB)
   avail memory = 1033093120 (985 MB)
   ACPI APIC Table: Nvidia AWRDACPI
   FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs
cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID:  0
cpu1 (AP): APIC ID:  1
   ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 2
   ioapic0 Version 1.1 irqs 0-23 on motherboard
  
  You should be able to see both processors in top, under the C
column.
  You will see a 0 or 1 depending on which processor is doing the work
for
  that process.  There aren't cumulative, per-processor totals but you
can
  get a decent idea of what's going on.
  
  Mike
  
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Re: Proper list server? (was Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?)

L Goodwin,

Wrap your lines;
To reply to both list and sender use Reply to all;
To send a private message delete [EMAIL PROTECTED];
To and so on. Control everything yourself!

But I think that the best is to use some normal mailer program that support
simple list handling.

It's not like some kind of forum and it's all about transparent architecture
and freedom.

- Yuri


On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:14:54 -0700 (PDT)
L Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, Jonathan, since you asked, here are the things I've found cumbersome 
 about freebsd-questions, some/all of which may be due to my own ignorance:
 
 1) I get all email posted to freebsd-questions in my inbox (actually, some 
 end up in bulk mail folder). That's a lot of mail to wade through. I'm 
 trying to get a system up and running so I can move on to the next task.
 I suppose I could set up some email filtering rules to limit what comes in.
 
 2) To reply to an email, I have to copy/paste freebsd-questions@freebsd.org 
 into the To field. If I forget to do this, my reply gets send to the sender 
 only.
 See? I almost forgot to do it for this reply. :-}
 
 One feature I like about (some) list servers is the ability to send a private 
 message to another member. This comes in handy when one person is helping 
 troubleshoot a problem, and you don't need everybody on the list to get 
 involved.
 
 Jonathan McKeown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Wednesday 11 April 2007 05:12, L Goodwin wrote:
  For starters, how about getting this mail group on a proper list server?
  I'll gladly help if there is anything I can do other than get in the way...
 
 I normally try not to be rude, but...
 
 what on Earth are you talking about? What is it about a Mailman installation 
 on a host within the freebsd.org domain that renders it less than proper?
 
 Jonathan

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Re: Fw: get me off this list

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:32:45 -0400
Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Are both of you getting the emails via mailanyone.net as well?
 
 Seems to me that someone compromised mailanyone.net -- anyone know for sure?
 
 In response to Jaymz Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Add me to the list of folks who did not subscribe and can not unsubscribe???
  
  On 4/11/07, Ted Ims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I'm incorrectly receiving the list as well and can't unsubscribe.

Well, for whom it's an interest, there is another fire front on [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
There you can find new facts and other stuff like email headers etc.

- Yuri
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Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-11 Thread Steve Franks


Say, I've been meaning to install ataidle for awhile, as my server handles
approximately 3-5 requests for cvs per 24 hours, and I'm a pragmatic
believer in the dangers of global warming, and I've never had a disk go bad
on my old w2k systems, even though they spun up/down at least 20-50 times a
day (on my desktop).

It's non-obivous, however, from the docs/man wether ataide makes persistent
changes, or if you need to run it from cron, rc, etc.  Anyone know the
'proper' usage for ataidle?

I found this: http://andreas.syndrom23.de/drupal/files/ataidle which might
be of general interest to folks along these same lines.  No idea if it's
correct usage, however.

Thanks,
Steve

On 4/9/07, Pieter de Goeje [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Sunday 08 April 2007, Garrett Cooper wrote:
 Hello again all,
   I was wondering if there was an automatic, and possibly timed
means to
 spin down disks available in either ports or the base system, by chance.
   Just trying to cut down on energy use, and increase my disks'
lives :).
 TIA,
 -Garrett
Take a look at ataidle (sysutils/ataidle). Dunno if it helps with their
life
expectancy, but it certainly is quieter without the disks spinning :).

HTH,
Pieter de Goeje
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Re: command to inentify the process that is listening in a port.

2007-04-11 Thread Dan Nelson

In the last episode (Apr 11), Bob Johnson said:
 On 4/10/07, Jonathan McKeown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Monday 09 April 2007 17:37, Martin Hudec wrote:
  Siju George wrote:
   How Do you actually Identify what process is listening on a
   TCP/IP port? nmap does not usually give the right answer.
   There should be some command that can be run on the local host
   for identification right?
 
  man lsof
 
  5:35pm [amber] ~# lsof -i @localhost:123
  COMMAND PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
  ntpd552 root   10u  IPv4 0xc4c46000  0t0  UDP localhost:ntp
 
 Just out of interest, why do so many people recommend lsof, which is
 a port, when sockstat/fstat are in the base system and seem to cover
 the same ground? Am I missing something about lsof?
 
 Linux systems don't have sockstat, so people who got to FreeBSD via
 Linux are used to lsof and they tend to continue using it. Same
 result for those who read the many Linux howto websites.

lsof can also go into more detail about the open handles (can display
socket buffer sizes, for example), and has more filtering options.  It
also has a mode that generates easily machine-parsable output.  For
simple what's listening on this port questions, though, sockstat does
just fine.

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Re: Fw: get me off this list

In response to Jaymz Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 It appears it's only coming from the freebsd distro list.

Right, but are they coming _through_ mailanyone.net?  Have a look at the
headers and see what server is passing the message on to gmail.  If it's
not a freebsd.org server, then somone is forwarding FreeBSD.org mail without
your permission.

 
 I sent 2 emails to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 one blank and another with unsubscribe in the message and body of the
 email, but noting comes back from the server.
 
 On 4/11/07, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  Are both of you getting the emails via mailanyone.net as well?
 
  Seems to me that someone compromised mailanyone.net -- anyone know for
  sure?
 
  In response to Jaymz Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   Add me to the list of folks who did not subscribe and can not
  unsubscribe???
  
   On 4/11/07, Ted Ims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
I'm incorrectly receiving the list as well and can't unsubscribe.
   
   
-Forwarded Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Apr 9, 2007 7:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: get my off this list

  what is this list and why am i on it?!?!

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Sent: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 5:28 PM
 Subject: RE: Verifying that I have SMP up and running

  Hello Jim:

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Stapleton
 Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:52 PM
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Verifying that I have SMP up and running

 I added SMP to the kernel config, but I want to make sure that it's
 running. I tried top, as I'm used to seeing multiple processors
  listed
 there (Tru64, Linux), but did not see it in FreeBSD. However I got
  the
 dmesg below (see end of mail, the beginning of dmesg output), which
 seems to indicate it's up an running. Can someone verify this, and
  are
 there any good tools to show how much each CPU is using in the way
  of
 resources?

 Thanks,
 -Jim Stapleton

 Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project.
 Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993,
 1994
 The Regents of the University of California. All rights
 reserved.
 FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.
 FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #0: Sun Apr  8 14:50:03 UTC 2007
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/JIM20070408-SMP
 Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
 CPU: Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 180 (2412.38-MHz 686-class
 CPU)
   Origin = AuthenticAMD  Id = 0x20f32  Stepping = 2


   
  Features=0x178bfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PG
 E,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT
   Features2=0x1SSE3
   AMD Features=0xe2500800SYSCALL,NX,MMX+,FFXSR,LM,3DNow+,3DNow
   AMD Features2=0x3LAHF,CMP
   Cores per package: 2
 real memory  = 1073676288 (1023 MB)
 avail memory = 1033093120 (985 MB)
 ACPI APIC Table: Nvidia AWRDACPI
 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs
  cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID:  0
  cpu1 (AP): APIC ID:  1
 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 2
 ioapic0 Version 1.1 irqs 0-23 on motherboard

You should be able to see both processors in top, under the C
  column.
You will see a 0 or 1 depending on which processor is doing the work
  for
that process.  There aren't cumulative, per-processor totals but you
  can
get a decent idea of what's going on.

Mike

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Re: looking for something like an embedded ftp server

2007-04-11 Thread Pieter de Goeje

On Wednesday 11 April 2007, David J Brooks wrote:
 On Wednesday 11 April 2007 12:26:42 pm Derrill Guilbert wrote:
  I've been given an old machine, and asked to turn it into an ftp server.
  It will got on its own IP, separate from the one our LAN uses. It will
  have three read-only users and maybe five read/write users. It will
  contain design data that we're transferring to the offices in China. That
  is, we will upload it from here in at the main office, and the China
  staff will download it to implement the little containers we're building.
 
  This does not need to be secure beyond password protection necessarily,
  though some sort of secure FTP would be fine.
 
  What I would really prefer is some sort of BSD based simple FTP server
  setup. I've found several BSD based router/firewall/whatever servers out
  there, such as m0n0wall and pfsense, among others, and I would like
  something that simple for an FTP server. That is, I want to be able to
  install the server and then only have to configure users, no mess with
  hardening things and setting up pf or so ...
 
  Does such a thing exist? Am I needlessly complicating things for myself
  in another way (often the case, I'm little more than a user when it comes
  to FreeBSD)?
 
  Any kind of guidance on this topic would be appreciated --- if what I
  want to do can be done with a custom install of FreeBSD, that'd be
  wonderful also.
 
  Thank you in advance for any guidance.

 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-ftp.html
You can also run ftpd without inetd: adding ftpd_enable=YES to /etc/rc.conf 
should do the trick.

Cheers,
Pieter
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Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-11 Thread Pieter de Goeje

On Wednesday 11 April 2007, Steve Franks wrote:
 Say, I've been meaning to install ataidle for awhile, as my server handles
 approximately 3-5 requests for cvs per 24 hours, and I'm a pragmatic
 believer in the dangers of global warming, and I've never had a disk go bad
 on my old w2k systems, even though they spun up/down at least 20-50 times a
 day (on my desktop).

 It's non-obivous, however, from the docs/man wether ataide makes persistent
 changes, or if you need to run it from cron, rc, etc.  Anyone know the
 'proper' usage for ataidle?

 I found this: http://andreas.syndrom23.de/drupal/files/ataidle which might
 be of general interest to folks along these same lines.  No idea if it's
 correct usage, however.

 Thanks,
 Steve
You only need to run it once at startup to set the various acoustic and idle 
time settings. 
If you know you won't be needing your disks after a specific time a cronjob 
(spinning down the disks immidiately) might be a good method too.

Regards,
Pieter
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Re: adding keyboard after reboot with no keyboard ...

2007-04-11 Thread NetOpsCenter


Derek Ragona wrote:


At 09:55 AM 4/10/2007, Marc G. Fournier wrote:


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I hate it when a subject doesn't easily present itself ... but ...

Is there something that I'm missing, such that if I add a keyboard to 
a server
*after* rebooting it with no keyboard, that will have that keyboard 
recognized?


Basically, I have several remote servers, with no keyboards, but if I 
need a
tech to check something on the console (ie. the ethernet went down 
for some
reason), when they plug a keyboard back in again, there is no signal 
until they
actually power cycle the machine ... which of course, is too late to 
do any

diagnosis :(

Thx ...




This is a limitation of the hardware in the keyboards and the 
motherboards.  The only solution I have found is to use a KVM switch 
which keeps the keyboard and mouse ports active during bootups.


-Derek


Aloha,

KVM  switch...
This is the way I do it as well with 8 servers in a noc .


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Re: Proper list server? (was Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?)

Thanks, Chuck. Subscription Options has an option  Which topic categories 
would you like to subscribe to? that has No topics defined, 
but I don't see any list of topic categories or a way to select them.

Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, L--

On Apr 11, 2007, at 12:14 PM, L Goodwin wrote:
 1) I get all email posted to freebsd-questions in my inbox  
 (actually, some end up in bulk mail folder). That's a lot of mail  
 to wade through. I'm trying to get a system up and running so I can  
 move on to the next task.  I suppose I could set up some email  
 filtering rules to limit what comes in.

You can follow the link to Mailman at the bottom of every list  
message, log in using your email addr (boink on the button to have it  
send you your password, if you don't remember it), and change your  
delivery preference to digest mode or even disable delivery entirely:

   http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions

In addition, Mailman sets the List-ID header recommended by the RFCs,  
which means you can easily filter email from the list to another  
mailbox, via procmail or your mail client's native filtering.

 2) To reply to an email, I have to copy/paste freebsd- 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] into the To field. If I forget to do this,  
 my reply gets send to the sender only.
 See? I almost forgot to do it for this reply. :-}

Most mail clients have both a reply and reply to all capability;  
the local convention on the FreeBSD mailing lists is to use reply-to- 
all, perhaps unless you know that the other person is subscribed.

 One feature I like about (some) list servers is the ability to send  
 a private message to another member. This comes in handy when one  
 person is helping troubleshoot a problem, and you don't need  
 everybody on the list to get involved.

Nothing stops you from sending private email to someone else  
directly, but normally you want to CC: the list so that everyone can  
benefit from the advice or suggestions being made.  Taking a thread  
to private email tends to be done more when you need to discuss  
private config files which contain passwords or some such...

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Re: wine on amd64

2007-04-11 Thread Kris Kennaway

On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:37:03AM -0700, Steve Franks wrote:
 On 4/10/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 02:42:35PM +0200, Tijl Coosemans wrote:
  On Monday 09 April 2007 19:28:50 Kris Kennaway wrote:
   On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 09:37:00AM -0700, Steve Franks wrote:
Why does the wine port complain that it will not build on my
6.2/amd64 machine?  A quick search around winehq.com seems to
indicate that the linux (kubuntu, debian) guys compile wine on
their 64-bit platforms???  And you know how we *hate* to let them
think they have something we bsd-ites do not ;)
  
   Extra patches, I guess.  Why not look into it and see what needs to
   be added to our port?
 
  Wine runs win32 programs. It needs to be built as a 32bit program
  linked with 32bit libraries. The ports/package system can't handle
  32bit code on amd64.
 
 Well it can, you just need to also have 32-bit versions of all the
 other ports too.  It is true that no-one has really worked on this,
 but it's not technically difficult.
 
 Kris
 
 
 Is there already a means for building a particular port as 32 bits on a
 64-bit machine?

Not really, this is what I mean by work needed.

Kris


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Re: KVM over IP (Was: Re: adding keyboard after reboot with no keyboard) ...

2007-04-11 Thread NetOpsCenter


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Does anyone know of a reasonably priced one?  Our newer servers, we've been 
using HP servers, so that we have this built in, but I have 6 older servers 
that I'd love to be able to deal with remotely without headaches ... I only 
need to be able to access one at a time ...


I've tried the 'serial console' route, but if the server crashes, logging in to 
the serial console doesn't show you anything, whereas, with the HP 'remote 
console' feature, its the same as a KVM, where running it does a screen 
refresh, so that I can see what is on the screen at the time of the crash ...



- --On Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:09:37 -0500 Derek Ragona 
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At 09:55 AM 4/10/2007, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
   


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I hate it when a subject doesn't easily present itself ... but ...

Is there something that I'm missing, such that if I add a keyboard to a
server
*after* rebooting it with no keyboard, that will have that keyboard
recognized?

Basically, I have several remote servers, with no keyboards, but if I need a
tech to check something on the console (ie. the ethernet went down for some
reason), when they plug a keyboard back in again, there is no signal until
they
actually power cycle the machine ... which of course, is too late to do any
diagnosis :(

Thx ...
 


This is a limitation of the hardware in the keyboards and the motherboards.
The only solution I have found is to use a KVM switch which keeps the
keyboard and mouse ports active during bootups.

-Derek

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Aloha,

Reasonably priced in US $

You can get a KVM switch from Newegg.com for a little over $100. US.

Hawking Technology CS168 8 Port is what we installed in our rack here.


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Re: Proper list server? (was Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?)

2007-04-11 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg


On Apr 11, 2007, at 2:14 PM, L Goodwin wrote:

Well, Jonathan, since you asked, here are the things I've found  
cumbersome about freebsd-questions, some/all of which may be due to  
my own ignorance:


It's not so much your ignorance (well ultimately it is), but that you  
are using a webmail system (Yahoo!) to manage your mail.


Quite simply, if you are going to be getting lots of mail (as happens  
when you subscribe to a mailing list or two) and communicating with  
people on discussion lists, you should use a proper mail client.


I'm sure that there will be ways to doing the things you want with  
Yahoo!, but on the whole mailing lists were designed to work with  
real email clients.


Anyway, here are comments on the original.


1) I get all email posted to freebsd-questions in my inbox  
(actually, some end up in bulk mail folder). That's a lot of mail  
to wade through. I'm trying to get a system up and running so I can  
move on to the next task.
I suppose I could set up some email filtering rules to limit what  
comes in.


Sorting of incoming mail is essential if you belong to several  
mailing lists.  I'm sure that Yahoo will have some way of doing this  
so that mail that matches a particular pattern will go into a  
designated mail folder.  As others have pointed out, the best pattern  
to use is based on the List-Id header, which for this lists looks like


 List-Id:   User questions freebsd-questions.freebsd.org

I have a sorting rule that puts all of my freebsd.org lists (I  
subscribe to several) in a specific folder.  Because I'm sorting mail  
with something called sieve (almost certainly not what Yahoo is  
doing) my rule looks like


  elsif header :contains [List-Id] freebsd.org {
  fileinto INBOX.LISTS.Comp.BSD; stop;
}

But don't worry, you won't have to edit such rules by hand.  Yahoo  
will have a nice web interface for you.


2) To reply to an email, I have to copy/paste freebsd- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] into the To field. If I forget to do this,  
my reply gets send to the sender only.

See? I almost forgot to do it for this reply. :-}


Most mailers (and I assume Yahoo! as well) make a distinction between  
Reply and Reply to all.  It might be called something else on  
Yahoo! but look for something that seems to mean the same thing.


For some discussion lists, things are configured so that the Reply-To  
header in mail to the list will make a simple Reply to go just to  
the list.  There are fierce debates among list managers about whether  
that is a good thing or a force for evil.  I will not step into it  
here, except to note that the people who configured this discussion  
list made a conscious and informed choice about how to configure the  
list.  (Mailman allows lists to be set up either way.)



One feature I like about (some) list servers is the ability to send  
a private message to another member. This comes in handy when one  
person is helping troubleshoot a problem, and you don't need  
everybody on the list to get involved.


That is what a simple Reply will do given how this list is set up.   
Use Reply to All to send the response to the list as well.


I don't mean to present an argument from authority, but you are  
clearly new to email discussion lists.  The people who made the  
choices about the configuration of this list have much more  
experience about what works and what doesn't work.  I managed my  
first email list in 1986, and over the decades have formed some very  
strong opinions.  It's good for you to query things and point out  
stuff that doesn't seem to work right.  It wouldn't be the first time  
that the experts are wrong.  But do keep in mind that most everything  
you encounter has been configured or designed the way it is for a  
reason.  And so when you run into something that seems strange or  
annoying to you, the question to ask is not why can't we do it  
right? but why are things set up as they are?


Once you get used to the way of doing things on proper email  
discussion lists, you'll never want to go back to anything like  
Yahoo! Groups.


Cheers,

-j

Re: KVM over IP (Was: Re: adding keyboard after reboot with no keyboard) ...

2007-04-11 Thread Jerry McAllister


 Marc G. Fournier wrote:
 
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 Does anyone know of a reasonably priced one?  Our newer servers, we've 
 been using HP servers, so that we have this built in, but I have 6 older 
 servers that I'd love to be able to deal with remotely without headaches 
 ... I only need to be able to access one at a time ...
 
 I've tried the 'serial console' route, but if the server crashes, logging 
 in to the serial console doesn't show you anything, whereas, with the HP 
 'remote console' feature, its the same as a KVM, where running it does a 
 screen refresh, so that I can see what is on the screen at the time of the 
 crash ...
 
 
 - --On Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:09:37 -0500 Derek Ragona 
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 At 09:55 AM 4/10/2007, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

 
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 I hate it when a subject doesn't easily present itself ... but ...
 
 Is there something that I'm missing, such that if I add a keyboard to a
 server
 *after* rebooting it with no keyboard, that will have that keyboard
 recognized?
 
 Basically, I have several remote servers, with no keyboards, but if I 
 need a
 tech to check something on the console (ie. the ethernet went down for 
 some
 reason), when they plug a keyboard back in again, there is no signal 
 until
 they
 actually power cycle the machine ... which of course, is too late to do 
 any
 diagnosis :(
 
 Thx ...
  
 
 This is a limitation of the hardware in the keyboards and the 
 motherboards.
 The only solution I have found is to use a KVM switch which keeps the
 keyboard and mouse ports active during bootups.
 
 -Derek
 
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 Reasonably priced in US $
 
 You can get a KVM switch from Newegg.com for a little over $100. US.
 
 Hawking Technology CS168 8 Port is what we installed in our rack here.

Is it operable from a network connection?   That seemed to be 
a main requirement.There are lots of KVMs that can be hooked up
to a monitor and keyboard and even a few that have some special control
port.  But, the ones that take a plug-in with a network cable to login
and control it tend to be quite expensive.

I would like to find an inexpensive one that takes a net connection as well.

jerry

 
 
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Re: Proper list server? (was Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?)

Thanks, Jeff and others.

Ok, I'll use Reply to All. FYI, I only use this Yahoo account for situations 
where I don't want to get spammed to death. I started using UNIX, email and the 
Internet in 1989, but for the last 15 years I've been stuck with Windows (not 
counting hosted Web servers) -- guess I'm getting a little soft.

I'm having a hard time trying to implement a non-Microsoft OS for the first 
time in (literally) decades, and freely admit my ignorance. My prior 
experiences installing UNIX were with commercial versions (mainly AIX) using 
checklists prepared by folks who knew what to install. 

I live in the heart of Microsoft territory. No offense to Microsoft, but I'd 
like to see a little more competition around here. What I'm seeing is a trend 
towards Microsoft servers (even Web servers!). Other than (hosted) Web servers 
running FreeBSD/Apache, I work mainly with workstations. I'd like to gain some 
modest expertise in the non-Microsoft server arena.

 I appreciate any and all help in this endeavor.

Jeffrey Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 11, 2007, at 2:14 PM, L 
Goodwin wrote:

 Well, Jonathan, since you asked, here are the things I've found  
 cumbersome about freebsd-questions, some/all of which may be due to  
 my own ignorance:

It's not so much your ignorance (well ultimately it is), but that you  
are using a webmail system (Yahoo!) to manage your mail.

Quite simply, if you are going to be getting lots of mail (as happens  
when you subscribe to a mailing list or two) and communicating with  
people on discussion lists, you should use a proper mail client.

I'm sure that there will be ways to doing the things you want with  
Yahoo!, but on the whole mailing lists were designed to work with  
real email clients.

Anyway, here are comments on the original.

 1) I get all email posted to freebsd-questions in my inbox  
 (actually, some end up in bulk mail folder). That's a lot of mail  
 to wade through. I'm trying to get a system up and running so I can  
 move on to the next task.
 I suppose I could set up some email filtering rules to limit what  
 comes in.

Sorting of incoming mail is essential if you belong to several  
mailing lists.  I'm sure that Yahoo will have some way of doing this  
so that mail that matches a particular pattern will go into a  
designated mail folder.  As others have pointed out, the best pattern  
to use is based on the List-Id header, which for this lists looks like

  List-Id:  User questions 

I have a sorting rule that puts all of my freebsd.org lists (I  
subscribe to several) in a specific folder.  Because I'm sorting mail  
with something called sieve (almost certainly not what Yahoo is  
doing) my rule looks like

   elsif header :contains [List-Id] freebsd.org {
   fileinto INBOX.LISTS.Comp.BSD; stop;
}

But don't worry, you won't have to edit such rules by hand.  Yahoo  
will have a nice web interface for you.

 2) To reply to an email, I have to copy/paste freebsd- 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] into the To field. If I forget to do this,  
 my reply gets send to the sender only.
 See? I almost forgot to do it for this reply. :-}

Most mailers (and I assume Yahoo! as well) make a distinction between  
Reply and Reply to all.  It might be called something else on  
Yahoo! but look for something that seems to mean the same thing.

For some discussion lists, things are configured so that the Reply-To  
header in mail to the list will make a simple Reply to go just to  
the list.  There are fierce debates among list managers about whether  
that is a good thing or a force for evil.  I will not step into it  
here, except to note that the people who configured this discussion  
list made a conscious and informed choice about how to configure the  
list.  (Mailman allows lists to be set up either way.)


 One feature I like about (some) list servers is the ability to send  
 a private message to another member. This comes in handy when one  
 person is helping troubleshoot a problem, and you don't need  
 everybody on the list to get involved.

That is what a simple Reply will do given how this list is set up.   
Use Reply to All to send the response to the list as well.

I don't mean to present an argument from authority, but you are  
clearly new to email discussion lists.  The people who made the  
choices about the configuration of this list have much more  
experience about what works and what doesn't work.  I managed my  
first email list in 1986, and over the decades have formed some very  
strong opinions.  It's good for you to query things and point out  
stuff that doesn't seem to work right.  It wouldn't be the first time  
that the experts are wrong.  But do keep in mind that most everything  
you encounter has been configured or designed the way it is for a  
reason.  And so when you run into something that seems strange or  
annoying to you, the question to ask is not why can't we do it  
right? but why are things set up as they are?

Re: strange mouse behaviour with xorg

2007-04-11 Thread Pietro Cerutti


On 4/11/07, freenity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yes I tried this but it doesnt help, the same problem.
Any suggestions?


Did you also try to change moused_enable=YES to moused_enable=NO
in /etc/rc.conf and set the device to /dev/psm0 in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?

P.S. please don't top post.

On 4/10/07, Pietro Cerutti [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

  Please try with Option Protocol SysMouse instead.

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Re: Fw: get me off this list

2007-04-11 Thread Jerry McAllister

On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 02:55:23PM -0400, Jaymz Young wrote:

 Add me to the list of folks who did not subscribe and can not unsubscribe???
 
 On 4/11/07, Ted Ims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I'm incorrectly receiving the list as well and can't unsubscribe.
 
 
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   what is this list and why am i on it?!?!
 

I do not know how you got on the list.  Normally, as mentioned, there
is a confirmation required before one actually gets on the list.

As for having trouble getting off the list, here is one possibility.
I manage a couple of lists and this is a frequent problem.
A person subscribes an address or gets it put on the list somehow.   Then
along the way the person begins to use a different Email address.
The old address still works so that person sets forwarding at old
address to the new one and after a while, doesn't think about it any
more.   Messages from the list keep coming - now to the new address
because of the automatic forwarding.   

Then the person decides to unsubscribe from the list and sends in an
appropriate message -- but the message is sent from the new address
rather than the old address which is the one actually subscribed.
So, the Email list software tries to remove the new address, but, of
course, that doesn't solve the issue.  The list software does not know
about the connection between the old address and the new one to which
it is forwarded.  The list administrator can guess about what is 
happening, but doesn't have a good way of discovering the address
connection because the error messages from the failed unsubscribe
attempts only show the new address, but nothing about the old one.

I periodically run a routine that sends a message to each subscriber 
that contains the address of the subscriber it is being sent to.  That
way, if it bounces, I can get the original subscription address out of
the message or if it does not bounce, but makes it through to the 
person's new address through the forward, then that person is essentially
notified of the original subscription and can either log in to that old
address and send an unsubscribe or if they can no longer get in to that
old account, send a message to the list administrator with the additional
information needed to identify the old address and take action.

In this particular case, where the person does not believe they took any
action to initiate the original subscription, it is unclear how it got
that way.   But, one possibility is someone trying to maliciously inflict 
mischief and abuse on some people.   What some abuser could have done
is to make a subscription for an address on some host and then make the
necessary confirmation response.   Then the person would go in to that
account and set up forwarding to some innocent person or even to a large
number of persons.   It would be a type of attack.  Those sort of
attacks can also be traced to the original [fake] subscription by sending
out a message to all subscribers with the address each message was sent
to in it.   Then, whoever receives it would need to help the list
administrator remove it.   There may also be some other tools to help
trace it, but they are not always effective.

I don't know if this is what has happened in these recent cases, but it
is one possibility.   Hopefully, if this is what has happened, it might
be possible to track it down to the original juvenile brat that is doing
it and get his daddy to ground him until age 35 or so.

So, good luck getting this sorted out.

jerry
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GLUT : OpenGL GLX extension not supported by display :: 1

2007-04-11 Thread rick norman

Running FreeBSD 6.1 release, xorg.conf has Load GLX in it. Platform is
a Dell with ATI graphics.

I am running an OpenGL based app that runs fine from the console but
refuses to run remotely

using VNC.  I had no problem running it remotely with 4.8 FreeBSD.  This
is probably the first time

I've tried running it remotely using Xorg.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Rick

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Re: bind9 in a jail

2007-04-11 Thread Jonathan Horne

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 22:09:54 Kimi Ostro wrote:
 Without seeing config, cant really help or maybe better on the BIND
 mailing list?

no, you were correct.  i actually fixed it a couple days ago, but it did in 
fact boil down to an error in my config file.  as i migrated from one one 
server to another, the config needed to have the transfer-source ip updated.  
once that was corrected, it worked exactly as expected.

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Re: Boot failure after installation

Will someone please explain in detail how to run the FreeBSD fdisk util outside 
of the freebsd installer? Please provide detailed steps.

What would the experts do next in this situation? I've checked and 
double-checked BIOS (current version is same as what I have -- 1013, so did not 
re-flash), SCSI BIOS (reset defaults and low-level formatted da0). I've 
performed Minimal FreeBSD install per step-by-step directions, and always 
says it's installed successfully, but can never boot from da0 (since 
repartitioning using FreeBSD fdisk util). I've verified that I'm creating a 
single partition (slice) on da0, making it the active partition, then setting 
it Bootable.

I booted the FreeSBIE LiveCD, and tried to mount da0:
mount /dev/da0 /mnt
mount: /dev/da0: Operation not permitted
 
Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 07:48:07PM 
-0700, L Goodwin wrote:

 Is there a way to run the FDISK tool outside of the freebds installer? 
 How do I change the disk configuration without reinstalling freebsd 
 every @[EMAIL PROTECTED] time?

Yes, all sysinstall does is collect the information and run fdisk for you.
See the man page   (enter  man fdisk )

It can be a little hard to read at first.  The fdisk and bsdlabel don't 
follow the normal man page form.

One thing you must know;  you cannot run fdisk on a drive that is in
active use.  If you booted from that drive or if you are CD-ed in to 
a file system on the drive, the system will not let you write to the
drive using fdisk.   You can only use fdisk to read the slice table
and run prototype setups that do not actually write out to the disk.

Trying to write to a drive that is active is a very popular mistake
when attempting to use fdisk.

So, read the fdisk man page and then come back with some more specific
questions if you need.

 I really want to set up a FreeBSD server and appreciate the learning 
 experience, but it's way past the point where I should have switched to an OS 
 that will actually run on my client's server. If I don't get it going 
 tonight, I'm going to install the first Linux distribution that says Hey, 
 Sailor...  =8-0

Guess you will need to follow the installation instructions in the FreeBSD
handbook more carefully.

 BTW, I burned a freeSBIE 2.0.1 Live CD, but have no idea what to do with it. 
 Yes, I am pathetically clueless. Thanks for your patience!

Just boot it up and run it.It will give you a very basic working
environment.Then do something like you might in a UNIX system, 
like ls or cd or df or whatever.

 
 Derek Ragona  wrote:   One other thing that 
 might be happening is if the geometry of the drive isn't allowing an 
 extended translation because of the age of your hardware, you may need to 
 keep the boot partition, that is the entire boot partition (not talking 
 slices here) within the first 1024 cylinders.  In the partition tool in 
 sysinstall you can change the display to show different units, and one of 
 those will be cylinders.  The 1024 cylinder limit is from older BIOS 
 translations and if the boot partition extended beyond 1024 the system 
 will give that same error you are getting.

If the machine is built any less than about 11 years ago, this doesn't apply.

  With older hardware you may need to use multiple partitions instead of 
 slices.  You can have 4 partitons on a drive (4 is hardcoded in the 
 partition table size and a location) so you can add additional partitions 
 for swap and /usr if you want.  Any partitions you use for filesystems 
 like /usr the boot manager will see and offer to boot them.  They won't 
 boot of course.  Swap partitions are ignored by the boot manager. 
 
This is mostly incorrect and even backwards.

First of all, there are 4 slices possible on a drive (or raid set for all
that matters).   Microsoft tends to call slices Primary Partitions.
Slices are created and managed by the fdisk utility.  Fdisk also writes
the Master Boot Record (MBR) (but not the boot sector).

In FreeBSD you can divide each slice up in to partitions which are
identified as a..h, although 'c' is reserved.   These partitions are
created and managed by the FreeBSD bsdlabel utility (or disklabel in
older versions).   Bsdlabel also writes the boot sector.

  Otherwise, I'd suspect it is a problem with the 6.2 you are using then.  
 If you try with a boot within the 1024 (I wouldn't push that to the 
 limit I'd say try like 950 cylinders) then I would try an earlier 
 version such as 6.1 or 6.0.
 

The whole issue of 1024 cylinders limit for bootable file systems
went away with improved BIOS about 11 years ago.
If you have a system old enough to have the problem, you should be
updating the BIOS rather than trying to accomodate the limit.

jerry

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Re: strange mouse behaviour with xorg

2007-04-11 Thread Pietro Cerutti


On 4/12/07, freenity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

yes i changet that, and it runs fine, but that problem with mouse is still
there, it just  changes randomly its position when i drag it.


send in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (assuming your're using your first display).
And please, send it to the list, so that you can get help from more
people, and not just from me...

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Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-11 Thread Gary Kline

On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 01:16:26PM -0700, Steve Franks wrote:
 Say, I've been meaning to install ataidle for awhile, as my server handles
 approximately 3-5 requests for cvs per 24 hours, and I'm a pragmatic
 believer in the dangers of global warming, and I've never had a disk go bad
 on my old w2k systems, even though they spun up/down at least 20-50 times a
 day (on my desktop).
 
 It's non-obivous, however, from the docs/man wether ataide makes persistent
 changes, or if you need to run it from cron, rc, etc.  Anyone know the
 'proper' usage for ataidle?
 
 I found this: http://andreas.syndrom23.de/drupal/files/ataidle which might
 be of general interest to folks along these same lines.  No idea if it's
 correct usage, however.


Yuri Grebenkin's commments up-queue were well put.  My newest
2800 AMD runs Ubuntu mostly for things-fun.  Tho it has evolution
so I can just click-on a mail-embedded URL and have firefox come
alive very easily.  No mouse swipe and messing with broswer in my
default mutt.
(c.)  Not *quite* like running a server just to have vi or
another editor handy, but close.  The Ubuntu runs my DVD/CD
burner too.  ---But it's still what I consider a toy.

Every situation is unique, I think.  Are you admin'ing a slew of
server?  are you running a few to several for a small business?
Or just running two machines for your own fun and profit?  

Some things to consider (besides powering -down or -off drives)
are battery backup system.  Don't most UPS systems isolate your
servers from the wall-socket?   At what level do hard drives have
identical circuitry so that they can be software lower-voltaged?
*Except for consumer __cost__*, why don't all boxes have builtin
batteries like latop?  ...There are lots of things to consider.

gary



 
 Thanks,
 Steve
 
 On 4/9/07, Pieter de Goeje [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Sunday 08 April 2007, Garrett Cooper wrote:
  Hello again all,
I was wondering if there was an automatic, and possibly timed
 means to
  spin down disks available in either ports or the base system, by chance.
Just trying to cut down on energy use, and increase my disks'
 lives :).
  TIA,
  -Garrett
 Take a look at ataidle (sysutils/ataidle). Dunno if it helps with their
 life
 expectancy, but it certainly is quieter without the disks spinning :).
 
 HTH,
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Re: strange mouse behaviour with xorg

2007-04-11 Thread freenity


On 4/11/07, Pietro Cerutti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


send in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (assuming your're using your first
display).
And please, send it to the list, so that you can get help from more
people, and not just from me...



Thanks for your reply. Here is my Xorg.0.log file:
http://feudaltimes.com.ar/Xorg.0.log
I uploaded it because its very big.
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default shell behavior with aterm

2007-04-11 Thread Chad Perrin

I've had to solve a problem with unexpected shell behavior when using
aterm (my favorite terminal emulator) a couple of times now.  This seems
to be limited to aterm -- the same problems do not arise at the TTY
console or in xterm.

Back when I first set up the workstation I'm currently using, with
FreeBSD 6.1, one of the unexpected differences from what's familiar to
me (having come from Debian GNU/Linux) was the fact that in aterm the
open parenthesis character, (, would behave as a backspace.  I solved
the problem at the time, with a bit of searching around.  Part of what I
did to solve the problem involved entering the following command into
the .bashrc file for my user account:

  stty erase2 '^?'

Since then, something happened (I just wasn't careful enough with my
edits that file, I guess) to that line.  Last night, I found myself
trying to remember how to solve the problem of REPLs like OCaml's
toplevel and the interactive UCBLogo shell treating the open parenthesis
character as a backspace.

Another part of the solution the first time around -- and one that has
not gone away and needed to be refixed -- is to comment out these lines
in the file /usr/ports/x11/aterm/Makefile:

  .if !defined(WITH_BSDEL)
  CONFIGURE_ARGS+=   --disable-backspace-key --disable-delete-key
  .endif

My question is this:

Is there some (good) reason that aterm's Makefile contains these lines?
Is there some logically justified reason for causing aterm to break the
principle of least surprise in this fashion -- since it obviously works
differently (surprise!) from the behavior of other means of using the
shell?

Is this a bug I should submit?

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Re: strange mouse behaviour with xorg

2007-04-11 Thread Pietro Cerutti


On 4/12/07, freenity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks for your reply. Here is my Xorg.0.log file:
http://feudaltimes.com.ar/Xorg.0.log
I uploaded it because its very big.



What Depth do you have in the Screen section of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
Try setting it to a lower value.


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Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-11 Thread Chuck Swiger


On Apr 11, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Gary Kline wrote:

Some things to consider (besides powering -down or -off drives)
are battery backup system.  Don't most UPS systems isolate your
servers from the wall-socket?


The better grade of UPSes do exactly that-- they provide galvanic  
isolation by using an isolation transformer which has the primary  
and secondary windings completely separated, and ensuring in the  
design that you don't connect the service neutral line to the output  
or load's neutral line.  The load can thus either be floating or tied  
to the local building ground.  This type of design is known as  
double-conversion because they always feed the input AC line  
through the rectifier  DC inverter, using more power but providing  
better PFC and can provide the load with an AC frequency which is  
different than the input AC frequency (ie, they can provide 60Hz  
output from 50Hz input, or vice versa).


Cheaper UPSes, which include almost all consumer-grade models from  
APC, Tripplite, etc run in line interactive mode, which involves a  
self-tapping or ferro-resonant transformer, can adjust the voltage up  
or down within limits, but they do not perform PFC and cannot provide  
frequency conversion, and they pass the neutral line from AC line to  
load without isolation, thus passing common-mode noise through.  This  
design is lighter and requires fewer components (an isolation  
transformer is heavier), and does not keep the DC section and  
inverter always under full load, so are somewhat more efficient, but  
cannot deal with frequency drift or significant voltage changes.


  At what level do hard drives have identical circuitry so that  
they can be software lower-voltaged?


The boards within a drive family might be identical (WD200BB/WD400BB/ 
WD800BB/etc), but they don't deal with under-voltages at all well--  
you'll either pull excessive current through the servo and spindle  
motor windings, or perhaps the drive will fail to spin up entirely.   
The spindle motors are designed to spin at the calibrated speed and  
won't spin at slower speeds.



*Except for consumer __cost__*, why don't all boxes have builtin
batteries like latop?  ...There are lots of things to consider.


Cost is the primary reason why boxes don't have built-in batteries.   
People flinch away from paying for real RAID systems which include  
battery-backup for the drives...


--
-Chuck

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