Re: Looking for IRC(chat) network with #freebsd channel (English language)

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Do you mean I must registered a nickname first, before I can see a
particular channel ?
But I have registerred, (see above list), and still can not find a
channel for #FreeBSD (english-based).
Please advise. Thank you so much.

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Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 15:08 +0800, williamkow wrote:
>   
>> I did tried the irc.freenode.net, however, I could not find a channel
>> for#FreeBSDHelp   or just   #FreeBSD.
>> The irc.freenode.net has #freebsd-fr, #freebsd.se, #freebsd-ru etc
>> but all are not English-languase-based or not for general help for
>> FreeBSD newbies.
>> Please advise.
>> 
>
> see below:
>
> 16:12 -!- Mode change [+i] for user bh
> 16:13 -!- #freebsd ##freebsd Forwarding to another channel
> 16:13 -!- ##freebsd You need to be identified to join that channel
> ^^
>
> respect,
> bh
>
>   
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Re: Upper limit on make -j ?

[Brian]

There's a thread on the -stable list about 8 cores being an issue in a 
very specific case.  I couldn't imagine setting j to something more than 
2x or 3x at the most of your available cores.


Brian

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:


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Brian wrote:

Isn't 1000 an unrealistically high value?



For the next few years maybe but with core counts going up I can
easily see a 512 or 1024 core machine by say 2015.. i.e. Moore's law
may not apply to single tasking chips any mores but it seems to be in
full force for multi-core ones... this brings me to why I tried it in
the first place I was exploring weither or not FreeBSD was ready for
this kind of core count (specifically the idea of a multitasking OS
scheduling by allocating one process per core for core counts greater
then say 64)... I am in the process of considering the design
requirements for a OS I plan to do from the ground up and like to know
the limits of current ones.


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Re: Looking for IRC(chat) network with #freebsd channel (English language)

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williamkow sat at his 'pewter and typed  on 11/28/07 12:10:
> I have been trying to find a IRC/Chat network which has #FreeBSD channel
> (english), but could get one, although I have read the below links, but
> no help.
> 

how about irc.freenode.net?

Subhro


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Re: Looking for IRC(chat) network with #freebsd channel (English language)

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 15:08 +0800, williamkow wrote:
> I did tried the irc.freenode.net, however, I could not find a channel
> for#FreeBSDHelp   or just   #FreeBSD.
> The irc.freenode.net has #freebsd-fr, #freebsd.se, #freebsd-ru etc
> but all are not English-languase-based or not for general help for
> FreeBSD newbies.
> Please advise.

see below:

16:12 -!- Mode change [+i] for user bh
16:13 -!- #freebsd ##freebsd Forwarding to another channel
16:13 -!- ##freebsd You need to be identified to join that channel
^^

respect,
bh

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Re: Looking for IRC(chat) network with #freebsd channel (English language)

[williamkow]

I did tried the irc.freenode.net, however, I could not find a channel
for#FreeBSDHelp   or just   #FreeBSD.
The irc.freenode.net has #freebsd-fr, #freebsd.se, #freebsd-ru etc
but all are not English-languase-based or not for general help for
FreeBSD newbies.
Please advise. Thank you.

Subhro Kar wrote:
> williamkow sat at his 'pewter and typed  on 11/28/07 12:10:
> > I have been trying to find a IRC/Chat network which has #FreeBSD channel
> > (english), but could get one, although I have read the below links, but
> > no help.
>
>
> how about irc.freenode.net?
>
> Subhro
>
>

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Re: Looking for IRC(chat) network with #freebsd channel (English language)

[Ryan Phillips]

williamkow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I have been trying to find a IRC/Chat network which has #FreeBSD channel
> (english), but could get one, although I have read the below links, but
> no help.
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/community/irc.html
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/support.html#IRC
> 
> Can anybody provide me the address of IRC network. Thanks.

There is a good channel on Freenode, irc.freenode.net

-Ryan
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Antique books and manuscripts, off to Dubai

[Inlibris]

Yesterday, a dozen heavy trunks with rare books, prints, and manuscripts from 
the 15th to 20th centuries left Vienna, Austria, for Dubai in the United Arab 
Emirates. Inlibris Gilhofer Nfg., dealers in rare books and manuscripts, 
established in 1883 and regular suppliers to major national libraries, 
universities, and museums worldwide for more than a century, will be the only 
participating rare book dealer at the inaugural Dubai International Fine Art 
and Antiques Fair.

Our offer will include the most beautiful and valuable illustrated books on 
natural history (including marine life, falconry, horsemanship, birds, and 
flowers), history of civilization (including the most comprehensive work on the 
17th-century wars), science (including a complete copy Diderot's Encyclopedie, 
formerly in the possession of Napoleon's son-in-law, and the great classics of 
medicine and pharmacology), and geography (including a perfect copy of an atlas 
published in the late 15th century), as well as art and architecture books from 
five centuries. Furthermore, we will be showing several Arabic manuscripts 
(including an early 16th-century miniature Koran) and an impressive collection 
of early Arabic printing (including the first oriental manuscript to be 
reproduced in facsimile in 1676). Local prints, maps, and historic photos will 
also be on view during the fair.

Our illustrated catalogue describes some of these objects in greater detail. 
Its digital version may be consulted on 
http://www.rarebooksandautographs.com/content/english/bestand/auswahlkatalog.php
Although the fair will be taking place in mid-december, reservations and orders 
are already welcome now. Those of you interested in free admission to the fair 
(opening on the 12th of December at the Dubai Convention Center) or a private 
meeting with our staff please contact us in advance via e-mail.

Kind regards from Vienna,

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Re: can anybody explain?

[Norberto Meijome]

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:01:50 -0800
Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   Since my line went dead last Friday I've been having troubles
>   simply building a new kernel.  I cvsup'd RELENG_6_2 last time,
>   rebuilt the kernel with KERNCONF=GENERIC and now with
>   KERNCONF=TAO.  My new /boot/kernel/kernel is > 7.4 megs and it
>   *hangs* part way up.  I've tried building with the new GENERIC and
>   with TAO that has only two devices added.  One is atapicam, the
>   other is cpufreq (just now added).  The old kernel is around 4
>   megs. My last try is RELENG_6.  No diff.

Hey Gary,
- did u clean your /usr/obj
- do you have a good source tree? when in doubt, wipe and re-get (or try a 
different csup mirror first...that sometimes makes the difference)

B

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Looking for IRC(chat) network with #freebsd channel (English language)

[williamkow]

I have been trying to find a IRC/Chat network which has #FreeBSD channel
(english), but could get one, although I have read the below links, but
no help.

http://www.freebsd.org/community/irc.html
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/support.html#IRC

Can anybody provide me the address of IRC network. Thanks.

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can anybody explain?

[Gary Kline]

Since my line went dead last Friday I've been having troubles
simply building a new kernel.  I cvsup'd RELENG_6_2 last time,
rebuilt the kernel with KERNCONF=GENERIC and now with
KERNCONF=TAO.  My new /boot/kernel/kernel is > 7.4 megs and it
*hangs* part way up.  I've tried building with the new GENERIC and
with TAO that has only two devices added.  One is atapicam, the
other is cpufreq (just now added).  The old kernel is around 4
megs. My last try is RELENG_6.  No diff.

I've done this scores of times; this is the first time I have been
this wedged in building the kernel. Can anybody give me some
clues regarding what is  (or *might* be) going on? The only  
suspicious thing I see at the start of the boot that hangs is the
mention that "AUTOLOAD failed" ...  

gary



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Re: idea bouncing: using cvs as a replacement for mergemaster

[Aryeh M. Friedman]

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Garrett Cooper wrote:
> On Nov 27, 2007, at 7:45 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
>
> I was thinking seeing the fact that I already have a cvs repo of
> -current does it make sense to just use CVS to update /etc
> instead of
> mergemaster... if so any ideas on doing it cleanly?
>

> CVS sucks and I wouldn't wish that requirement on anyone for
> their base system..
> There isn't a decent idiot-proof / foolproof system out there
> for defeating merging issues...
> -Garrett


I was talking for myself only not anyone else

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Re: Upper limit on make -j ?

[Aryeh M. Friedman]

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Brian wrote:
> Isn't 1000 an unrealistically high value?
>

For the next few years maybe but with core counts going up I can
easily see a 512 or 1024 core machine by say 2015.. i.e. Moore's law
may not apply to single tasking chips any mores but it seems to be in
full force for multi-core ones... this brings me to why I tried it in
the first place I was exploring weither or not FreeBSD was ready for
this kind of core count (specifically the idea of a multitasking OS
scheduling by allocating one process per core for core counts greater
then say 64)... I am in the process of considering the design
requirements for a OS I plan to do from the ground up and like to know
the limits of current ones.


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RE: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: Jerahmy Pocott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:07 AM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: FreeBSD Questions
> Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT
> 
> 
> 
> On 27/11/2007, at 5:49 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Jerahmy Pocott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:48 AM
> >> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> >> Cc: FreeBSD Questions
> >> Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT
> >>
> >>
> >> Perhaps, but I'v heard a lot of good things about IPF and IPNAT,
> >> especially since the nat is all in kernel where as natd is  
> >> userland, so
> >> there is a slight performance boost possibly there as well..
> >>
> >
> > I will address this one point here since it's enough to make
> > someone scream, it's such an old chestnut.
> >
> > natd is always criticized because going to userland is slow.  So,
> > people who have slowness problems think that is the issue.
> >
> > In reality, the problem is that the DEFAULT setup and man page
> > examples for natd use the following ipfw divert rule:
> >
> >/sbin/ipfw -f flush
> >/sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via ed0
> >/sbin/ipfw add pass all from any to any
> >
> > This produces a rule such as the following:
> >
> > 00050  divert 8668 ip from any to any via de0
> >
> > The problem though, is this is wrong.  What it is doing is that
> > ALL traffic that comes into and out of the box - no matter what
> > the source and destination is - will be passed to the natd translator.
> >
> > What you SHOULD be using is a set of commands such:
> >
> > ipfw add divert natd ip from any to [outside IP address] in recv  
> > [outside
> > interface]
> > ipfw add divert natd ip from not [outside IP address] to any out recv
> > [inside interface] xmit [outside interface]
> 
> That does make a lot of sense!
> 
> How ever the 2nd rule is slightly confusing me.. Shouldn't it be  
> something
> like: divert natd ip from [internal net range] to any out via  
> [outside if]?
> 

As I recall the "via" keyword was a later addition to ipfw, the
way you wrote it is the same thing - the earlier form I used works
on both old and new ipfw  (not that it probably matters much nowadays)

Use whichever is more clear to you - the gist of it is to use the
ipfw rulesets to keep the traffic that doesen't need attention of
natd, out of userland.

Ted
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[icantthinkofone]

Andy Greenwood wrote:

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
 

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From: Aryeh M. Friedman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:20 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; FreeBSD chat
Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law


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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
   

Beastie's Law:

  Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website
using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically
wrong.
  

Political Incorrectness is very subjective though.



It doesen't matter.  What constitutes a Nazi comparison is also
very subjective.  However, Godwin's law works anyway.
  


According to wikipedia (I am aware this isn't a real source) Godwin's 
law is defined thusly.


As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison 
involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.


The law isn't subjective at all. It specifically requires the 
comparison of one of the points or platforms to those of Nazis or 
Hitler himself. The comparison itself could be as oblique or 
subjective as you want, but the fact is that it must DIRECTLY involve 
Nazis or Hitler.


However, I don't agree that the proposed Beastie's Law is subjective 
either. It states that the person making the demands is using 
political incorrectness as one of their points as to why the change 
should be made. Whether or not everyone will agree on the political 
(in)correctness of the proposed change is irrelevant.

Ted
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Lose is spelled L-O-S-E.
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Re: Upper limit on make -j ?

[Brian]

Isn't 1000 an unrealistically high value?

Brian


On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Bruce Cran wrote:


Pieter de Goeje wrote:

On Tuesday 27 November 2007, Andy Greenwood wrote:

Aryeh Friedman wrote:

Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR
for:

make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel
seg faulting

I thought that the kernel builds couldn't be built using parallel jobs,
that it might break something. Is that not true?
In my experience parallel kernel builds are fine. I think (wild guess) the 
OP is running out of memory and somewhere in make or gcc the return value 
of malloc() isn't checked.


-
Pieter de Goeje


I just tried this on my amd64 7.0-BETA3 system with 2GB RAM and swap was 
never touched but make still segfaulted during 'make -j1000 buildworld':


[...]
rm -f .depend
mkdep -f .depend -a  [long list of files]
echo libc.so.7: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libgcc.a >> .depend
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
*** Error code 139
1 error
*** Error code 2
1 error
*** Error code 2
1 error
*** Error code 2
1 error


gdb -core /usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc/make.core /usr/bin/make

GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD]
[...]
This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd"...
Core was generated by `make'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
#0  0x00432067 in __vfprintf ()
(gdb) bt
#0  0x00432067 in __vfprintf ()
#1  0x00435114 in vfprintf ()
#2  0x0042d676 in fprintf ()
#3  0x00406305 in JobExec (job=0x80123f000, argv=0x7fffdb10)
   at /usr/src/usr.bin/make/job.c:1321
#4  0x0040702d in JobStart (gn=0x8006d9120, flags=Variable "flags" is 
not available.

)
   at /usr/src/usr.bin/make/job.c:1843
#5  0x0040b14c in MakeStartJobs () at 
/usr/src/usr.bin/make/make.c:621

#6  0x0040b34c in Make_Run (targs=0x7fffe7f0)
   at /usr/src/usr.bin/make/make.c:793
#7  0x0040a081 in main (argc=0, argv=0x0)
   at /usr/src/usr.bin/make/main.c:1273

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Re: short Q

[jekillen]

On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:50 AM, Gerard Seibert wrote:


On November 26, 2007 at 07:53PM jekillen wrote:



Did you install this from ports? If so. the script would have been
placed
there all ready.

Yes, that is what provoked the original question. I had built and
installed
from source tarball in the past. But one machine was always a problem.
Once I did install from ports I was lacking info. The startup script
was not
in /etc/rc.d (although I have subsequently got into on
/usr/local/etc/rc.d)


That is where it belongs!

I had followed instructions from MySQL documentation and put the 
script
they supplied in /etc/rc.d; mysql.server, but for some reason the 
script

did not actually start MyQSL. But the systems seems to look for some
thing with mysql in the name and runs it if it is in /etc/rc.d. That 
is

how
I figured out what to do. (or maybe the system will try to run 
anything
that is in /etc/rc.d if there is a corresponding enable line in 
rc.conf

it
understands). The academic question is, is the program that runs the
startup routine, itself a script or is it a binary?
Thanks


If you are referring to the script in '/usr/local/etc/rc.d', it is 
just a

plain script. You can edit it.

No, I was referring to what ever runs the rc script. Is that init?
( could go back and look at Absolute BSD, and as a matter
of fact I am awaiting delivery of the new edition as I write this.


Is there a specific reason you installed from a tarball rather than 
use the
ports system? I have always installed MySQL from ports without any 
problems.
Originally, I was in a hurry and was having trouble with ports. This 
approach had
worked for three machines. But one I was having endless problems with. 
Meanwhile
I got it together to get ports to work. But the port did not install  a 
startup script for

MySQL, at least in /etc/rc.d,




Thank you for your response.
Jeff K

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Re: how to compile and install a new driver

[Roland Smith]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 03:28:53PM -0700, Steve Franks wrote:
> > The 'make kernel' command will install the module automagically.
> > On the next boot, you should be able to load the ucp driver module with
> > kldload(8).
> >
> 
> So is the kernel the collection of all .ko modules then? 

A lot (but not all) of the device drivers and sybsystems are available
as modules. If you look into the example kernel configuration files
(GENERIC, NOTES), everything that starts with 'options' has to be
compiled into the kernel. Lines starting with 'device' in GENERIC are
built into the kernel. All other drivers are by default available as
modules. (but you can disable them from building, if you want)

> I always
> thought it was some monolithic binary somewhere. 

That depends on your definition of monolithic. The FreeBSD kernel is
modular but not a microkernel.

> If not, is it
> possible to build just usbdevs alone?

Yes, it should be possible. But I've never done it. It is not advised
to build stuff in the source tree. The 'make kernel' process builds a
shadow tree for the object files under /usr/obj, but I don't know how to
do that for a single module.

> I'm a little skittish about fubaring the kernel on my family's main
> server. 

Well, if you're using the GENERIC kernel now, and you build a new
GENERIC kernel, it should Just Work. Life can get interesting when you
start building your own kernel config. :-)

But when I switched from 6-STABLE to 7-BETA, I got decent warnings to
adapt my kernel config instead of a broken kernel, so that's ok.

And FYI, the previous kernel is saved in /boot/kernel.old/kernel. So you can
always boot that.

> My name will be mud if I bring it down for a significant
> period, and it's my only BSD box at the moment - our data is backed
> up, but I don't have a tape drive I can just pull / and /usr off in 5
> minutes if I kill it. 

First and foremost: get level 0 dumps of all important partitions before
you start your adventure! I cannot stress this enough! USB external
harddisks are great for that purpose. 

> I know this is not relavant to the discussion,
> but my point is, I don't know enough to know what's relatively safe
> and what isn't.

Read the Handbook and /usr/src/UPDATING. Ask around here if there's
something you don't get.

> > > This driver is long overdue, the part has been in usb devices for
> > > several years, and support is in OpenBSD and Linux already (so I'm
> > > told by google).  I'll happily document the process if someone holds
> > > my hand.
> >
> > If it works, submit a PR.
> 
> A url/handbook page for that, perhaps?  I understand the concept of a
> PR, but not fbsd's specific system (or where to find it).

man send-pr
 
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Re: how to compile and install a new driver

[Chuck Robey]

Warren Block wrote:

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Steve Franks wrote:


I found this thread
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2006-August/027445.html
to a driver I need for my system.

(1) The file extension
(http://www.dons.net.au/~darius/ucp-0.01.diff.gz) is .diff, not .c, so
what exactly do I do with it to compile it?


It's a file produced by diff(1), which shows the differences between 
files.  Normally, the difference is between the old files and what 
someone has changed or added.  Also called a patch file, since you use 
patch(1) to apply it.  patch(1) goes through the diff file and makes all 
the changes shown.




Nice description, but you'd better include enough info so that they 
could make FreeBSD-stype diffs: diff has the unfortunate default of 
making an output that is compatible with ed(1).  This supplies extremely 
little information to use, in case the file you're trying to patch with 
that diff has changed, and is also damned hard for mere humans to 
understand.   There are two other options you can give to diff that 
change the format: -c gives "context" diffs, and -u gives "unified" 
diffs, and the -u is the option that is standard with FreeBSD.  How you 
do this is to copy the file you intend to change BEFORE you edit the 
chantes in to "somefile.orig", and then, when you perform the diff, you 
must give the .orig file first, else you will produce a file that tries 
to remove the patch instead of applying the patch, like this:


diff -u somefile.c.orig somefile.c >patchfile

diffs have a standard header on them, and (although it seems that this 
isn't a FreeBSD standard) you can easily enter in freeform comments 
before your patch's header, describing the reasons for this patch to be 
applied (whatever condition this patch fixes).


To tell you the truth, that idea of sticking comments at the top of 
patch files, I got from the crosscompiler site, and it's a great idea, 
it's how they set up their patches, and we should use  it.



In this case, the diff file has changes to several files.

Looks like it applies to /usr/src/sys.  After untarring the file, and as 
root:


# cd /usr/src/sys
# patch < ucp-0.01.diff

*If* the patch applies successfully, then you can compile.  Easiest 
would probably be to just rebuild the kernel.  Slow, but you know it'll 
get everything.



(2) Assuming I can get it to compile, which I've never done, what do I
do with the object/driver file?


Probably like other ucom(4) devices:

kldload ucp

and then access the serial port through /dev/cuaU0.


This driver is long overdue, the part has been in usb devices for
several years, and support is in OpenBSD and Linux already (so I'm
told by google).  I'll happily document the process if someone holds
my hand.


That is a good case for a PR.  Particularly when you've got a patch, at 
least as a starting point.


-Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA
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RE: Finding and installing new locale

[Westin Shafer]

Kevin,

Thanks for the info.  I had not seen that doc.  However localedef and
makelocale are not valid commands.  I also checked out the port tree and
these tools are not located there either.  Are these Linux specific
commands?

Westin

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Kinsey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:12 PM
To: Westin Shafer
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Finding and installing new locale

Westin Shafer wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I am having a hard time locating a Locale for Indonesia on our
> installation of FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE.  The locale definition
> id_ID.(whatever) is missing.   Does it exist, and if so how can I get
> this and install it?  I have spent countless hours searching the net
for
> this language definition but was unsuccessful at locating it.  All I
> found was that this should have been installed by default, but ours of
> course is missing or the documentation is incorrect.
> 
> Can anyone point me in the right direction so I can get this installed
> on our server.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Westin Shafer

Well, I guess you saw this?
 
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/translations/id/other-format
s/html/ID-Indonesian-HOWTO-3.html

That not withstanding, what about makelocale(1) ?

At the very least, you should be able to set some stuff up
with that.

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Re: Upper limit on make -j ?

[Bruce Cran]

Pieter de Goeje wrote:

On Tuesday 27 November 2007, Andy Greenwood wrote:

Aryeh Friedman wrote:

Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR
for:

make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel
seg faulting

I thought that the kernel builds couldn't be built using parallel jobs,
that it might break something. Is that not true?
In my experience parallel kernel builds are fine. I think (wild guess) the OP 
is running out of memory and somewhere in make or gcc the return value of 
malloc() isn't checked.


-
Pieter de Goeje


I just tried this on my amd64 7.0-BETA3 system with 2GB RAM and swap was 
never touched but make still segfaulted during 'make -j1000 buildworld':


[...]
rm -f .depend
mkdep -f .depend -a  [long list of files]
echo libc.so.7: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libgcc.a >> .depend
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
*** Error code 139
1 error
*** Error code 2
1 error
*** Error code 2
1 error
*** Error code 2
1 error
>
> gdb -core /usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc/make.core /usr/bin/make
GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD]
[...]
This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd"...
Core was generated by `make'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
#0  0x00432067 in __vfprintf ()
(gdb) bt
#0  0x00432067 in __vfprintf ()
#1  0x00435114 in vfprintf ()
#2  0x0042d676 in fprintf ()
#3  0x00406305 in JobExec (job=0x80123f000, argv=0x7fffdb10)
at /usr/src/usr.bin/make/job.c:1321
#4  0x0040702d in JobStart (gn=0x8006d9120, flags=Variable 
"flags" is not available.

)
at /usr/src/usr.bin/make/job.c:1843
#5  0x0040b14c in MakeStartJobs () at 
/usr/src/usr.bin/make/make.c:621

#6  0x0040b34c in Make_Run (targs=0x7fffe7f0)
at /usr/src/usr.bin/make/make.c:793
#7  0x0040a081 in main (argc=0, argv=0x0)
at /usr/src/usr.bin/make/main.c:1273

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Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish.

[Kris Kennaway]

Mark Evans wrote:

I'm using FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE.  When I run "ls -l" it takes forever for the it to complete. top 
shows that the "ls -l" command uses about 98% of the CPU doing the time.  If I run "ls"  
I do not experience any problem.  anyone have any ideas?


Are you using NIS for user/group lookups?

Is it a large directory that is taking a long time to sort?

Kris

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Re: Finding and installing new locale

[Kevin Kinsey]

Westin Shafer wrote:

Hello everyone,

I am having a hard time locating a Locale for Indonesia on our
installation of FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE.  The locale definition
id_ID.(whatever) is missing.   Does it exist, and if so how can I get
this and install it?  I have spent countless hours searching the net for
this language definition but was unsuccessful at locating it.  All I
found was that this should have been installed by default, but ours of
course is missing or the documentation is incorrect.

Can anyone point me in the right direction so I can get this installed
on our server.

Thanks

Westin Shafer


Well, I guess you saw this?
  
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/translations/id/other-formats/html/ID-Indonesian-HOWTO-3.html

That not withstanding, what about makelocale(1) ?

At the very least, you should be able to set some stuff up
with that.

KDK
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Re: Upper limit on make -j ?

[Kris Kennaway]

Frank Shute wrote:

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 08:02:44PM +0100, Kris Kennaway wrote:

Andy Greenwood wrote:

Aryeh Friedman wrote:
Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR 
for:


make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel
seg faulting
 
I thought that the kernel builds couldn't be built using parallel jobs, 
that it might break something. Is that not true?

Not true for many years.




From /usr/src/UPDATING:


"Avoid using make -j when upgrading.  From time to time in the
past there have been problems using -j with buildworld and/or
installworld.  This is especially true when upgrading between
"distant" versions (eg one that cross a major release boundary
or several minor releases, or when several months have passed
on the -current branch)"

Should this be changed then?


Maybe.

Kris
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Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish.

[Brian]

Is a partition close to full, use df to see that.
Is ls -l aliased to something else that is digging into your directory 
tree, like when you're in /usr and type du?


brian

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Mark Evans wrote:


I'm using FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE.  When I run "ls -l" it takes forever for the it to complete. top 
shows that the "ls -l" command uses about 98% of the CPU doing the time.  If I run "ls"  
I do not experience any problem.  anyone have any ideas?

Thanks
Mark
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Re: ls -l takes a forever to finish.

[Garrett Cooper]

On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:53 PM, Mark Evans wrote:

I'm using FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE.  When I run "ls -l" it takes forever  
for the it to complete. top shows that the "ls -l" command uses  
about 98% of the CPU doing the time.  If I run "ls"  I do not  
experience any problem.  anyone have any ideas?


Thanks
Mark



	That's incredibly strange because ls is a simple program... Could  
you attach gdb to ls and find out where it's eating up all of your  
CPU time?

-Garrett
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Finding and installing new locale

[Westin Shafer]

Hello everyone,

 

I am having a hard time locating a Locale for Indonesia on our
installation of FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE.  The locale definition
id_ID.(whatever) is missing.   Does it exist, and if so how can I get
this and install it?  I have spent countless hours searching the net for
this language definition but was unsuccessful at locating it.  All I
found was that this should have been installed by default, but ours of
course is missing or the documentation is incorrect.

 

Can anyone point me in the right direction so I can get this installed
on our server.

 

Thanks

Westin Shafer

 

 

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Re: how to compile and install a new driver

[Warren Block]

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Warren Block wrote:


On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Steve Franks wrote:



(http://www.dons.net.au/~darius/ucp-0.01.diff.gz)


Looks like it applies to /usr/src/sys.  After untarring the file,


Err... read what I meant to say, not what I actually said...

In my defense, I was still surprised that Firefox showed me the contents 
of a gzip file.


-Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA
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Re: Upper limit on make -j ?

[Frank Shute]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 08:02:44PM +0100, Kris Kennaway wrote:
>
> Andy Greenwood wrote:
> >Aryeh Friedman wrote:
> >>Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR 
> >>for:
> >>
> >>make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel
> >>seg faulting
> >>  
> >
> >I thought that the kernel builds couldn't be built using parallel jobs, 
> >that it might break something. Is that not true?
> 
> Not true for many years.
> 

>From /usr/src/UPDATING:

"Avoid using make -j when upgrading.  From time to time in the
past there have been problems using -j with buildworld and/or
installworld.  This is especially true when upgrading between
"distant" versions (eg one that cross a major release boundary
or several minor releases, or when several months have passed
on the -current branch)"

Should this be changed then?

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Re: how to compile and install a new driver

[Warren Block]

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Steve Franks wrote:


I found this thread
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2006-August/027445.html
to a driver I need for my system.

(1) The file extension
(http://www.dons.net.au/~darius/ucp-0.01.diff.gz) is .diff, not .c, so
what exactly do I do with it to compile it?


It's a file produced by diff(1), which shows the differences between 
files.  Normally, the difference is between the old files and what 
someone has changed or added.  Also called a patch file, since you use 
patch(1) to apply it.  patch(1) goes through the diff file and makes all 
the changes shown.


In this case, the diff file has changes to several files.

Looks like it applies to /usr/src/sys.  After untarring the file, and as 
root:


# cd /usr/src/sys
# patch < ucp-0.01.diff

*If* the patch applies successfully, then you can compile.  Easiest 
would probably be to just rebuild the kernel.  Slow, but you know it'll 
get everything.



(2) Assuming I can get it to compile, which I've never done, what do I
do with the object/driver file?


Probably like other ucom(4) devices:

kldload ucp

and then access the serial port through /dev/cuaU0.


This driver is long overdue, the part has been in usb devices for
several years, and support is in OpenBSD and Linux already (so I'm
told by google).  I'll happily document the process if someone holds
my hand.


That is a good case for a PR.  Particularly when you've got a patch, at 
least as a starting point.


-Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA
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ls -l takes a forever to finish.

[Mark Evans]

I'm using FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE.  When I run "ls -l" it takes forever for the it 
to complete. top shows that the "ls -l" command uses about 98% of the CPU doing 
the time.  If I run "ls"  I do not experience any problem.  anyone have any 
ideas?

Thanks
Mark
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Re: how to compile and install a new driver

[Steve Franks]

On Nov 27, 2007 3:11 PM, Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 01:48:28PM -0700, Steve Franks wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I found this thread
> > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2006-August/027445.html
> > to a driver I need for my system.
> >
> > (1) The file extension
> > (http://www.dons.net.au/~darius/ucp-0.01.diff.gz) is .diff, not .c, so
> > what exactly do I do with it to compile it?
>
> First, use gunzip to extract it. This will leave a file ucp-0.01.diff.
> Next, su to root and cd to /usr/src/sys.
> To apply the patch, do 'patch 
> Note that the patch doesn't apply cleanly (/usr/src/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs)
> on 7.0-BETA2. If that's also the case on the version you're using,
> you'll have to look at /usr/src/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs.orig and
> /usr/src/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs.rej to fix it manually.

I'm on 6.2 at the moment.

>
> Next, build and install a kernel according to the handbook. ('make
> kernel' in /usr/src)
>
> > (2) Assuming I can get it to compile, which I've never done, what do I
> > do with the object/driver file?
>
> The 'make kernel' command will install the module automagically.
> On the next boot, you should be able to load the ucp driver module with
> kldload(8).
>

So is the kernel the collection of all .ko modules then?  I always
thought it was some monolithic binary somewhere.  If not, is it
possible to build just usbdevs alone?  I'm a little skittish about
fubaring the kernel on my family's main server.  My name will be mud
if I bring it down for a significant period, and it's my only BSD box
at the moment - our data is backed up, but I don't have a tape drive I
can just pull / and /usr off in 5 minutes if I kill it.  I know this
is not relavant to the discussion, but my point is, I don't know
enough to know what's relatively safe and what isn't.

> > This driver is long overdue, the part has been in usb devices for
> > several years, and support is in OpenBSD and Linux already (so I'm
> > told by google).  I'll happily document the process if someone holds
> > my hand.
>
> If it works, submit a PR.

A url/handbook page for that, perhaps?  I understand the concept of a
PR, but not fbsd's specific system (or where to find it).

>
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Chuck Robey]

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

Beastie's Law:

  Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website
using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically
wrong.

Political Incorrectness is very subjective though.


It doesen't matter.  What constitutes a Nazi comparison is also
very subjective.  However, Godwin's law works anyway.



Man, this leaves me confused as to how to respond.  The notion of 
changing anything for the mere mention of political correctness is 
abhorrent, but OTOH, I do hate anything smelling of Naziism.  And, 
finally, although I don't want to see changes in our web page done for 
PC, I really, really dislike the way our web pages are set up now, it's 
just so much harder to get thengs, so much more unpleasant, but I don't 
think I know enough about human-design to be able to give you a 
reasonable explanation of why I dislike our web page setup.


I just do.  Might that be a data point for you?  I betcha a lot of 
others feel just exactly as I do.



Ted
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Re: how to compile and install a new driver

[Roland Smith]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 01:48:28PM -0700, Steve Franks wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I found this thread
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2006-August/027445.html
> to a driver I need for my system.
> 
> (1) The file extension
> (http://www.dons.net.au/~darius/ucp-0.01.diff.gz) is .diff, not .c, so
> what exactly do I do with it to compile it?

First, use gunzip to extract it. This will leave a file ucp-0.01.diff.
Next, su to root and cd to /usr/src/sys.
To apply the patch, do 'patch  (2) Assuming I can get it to compile, which I've never done, what do I
> do with the object/driver file?

The 'make kernel' command will install the module automagically.
On the next boot, you should be able to load the ucp driver module with
kldload(8). 
 
> This driver is long overdue, the part has been in usb devices for
> several years, and support is in OpenBSD and Linux already (so I'm
> told by google).  I'll happily document the process if someone holds
> my hand.

If it works, submit a PR.

Roland
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Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g)

[Garrett Cooper]

On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Caio Figueiredo Abecia wrote:


Hey,
I'm new to bsd too.
Here's my contribution: :)

To install NTFS-3G from ports:
First make sure you have the freebsd source code.
Then login as root.

Go to: /usr/ports/sysutils/fusefs-ntfs
Then type:
#: make install clean

To use it you have to load first the kernel module by typing:
#: kldload
Then mount the ntfs partition using:

#: ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s1 /mnt/windows

That's it.

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To: "Jerry McAllister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g)



Hi,

This week I have tested NTFS-3G in Freebsd (pc-bsd) with success.
It's quite simple.

I'm busy at the moment but I'll reply this e-mail more late with  
the step-by-step to make NTFS-3G works if you want.


[]'s

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g)


On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:33:24PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:


I am newbie of FreeBSD and I have been trying to learn other O/S  
and I
have chosen OpenSUSE and using it for quite some time, would  
like to try
others, example FreeBSD, PC-BSD or DesktopBSD. Before anythings,  
I do

some reading and found out that the read-only support for NTFS
partition, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 
Comparison_of_BSD_operating_systems  (at

the "Technical Information" section)

However, the NTFS partition is still important for me with read/ 
write
access by any new O/S, due to my main storage of my data files  
are in
NTFS partition (external harddisk) that will then be connected  
to other
computer (Microsoft Windows). Could you please advise me whether  
the
ntfs-3g command can be (ported) used in BSDs for read-write  
access to

NTFS. Thank you.


Someone on the list claimed good success just yesterday or the  
day before.

Check in the questions archive.So far, I have only used NTFS in
read only on FreeBSD, but if the ntfs-3g works it could be just what
you want.

jerry



	Yes, I don't think that you should use the built in NTFS support  
because it generated a kernel panic on me a few times (reproducible  
issue when you tweak the FS to not use DOS compatible filenames, at  
least..). I just haven't had time to look into it further..

-Garrett
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Re: Desktop printing, a request for your experiences

[Chuck Robey]

Kevin Kinsey wrote:

Dominic Marks wrote:

List,

Can anyone give me their experiences of desktop printing
(OpenOffice/KDE/Gnome/Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird, etc) recently?
I haven't tried for a while but it was a pain to setup and maintain 
the last time I looked at it.


If you are using this for "real-work" and you are getting good results 
please let me know what you are using (software and hardware ideally).


The environment I would like to put this into is a family house, very 
small

setup with 2 PCs and 2 printers. Currently both are Windows PCs but
one is experiencing all of the classic issues with a multi-year Windows
installation and since they are used exclusively for E-Mail and word
processing I am interested in migrating one PC over to FreeBSD.

.. If the solution was a Linux distro (box package, or otherwise) I would
also be interested.
... I am not a subscriber so please keep me CC'ed in the discussion.




Well, I would give you two items, perhaps you could help me as well. 
First, as soon as I get my FreeBSD box completely configured with all 
the tools I now have on my older Gentoo box, I will be retiring the 
Linux box, along with the nicely operating CUPS installation.  That's 
soon but not now, I am too terribly into 3 other projects.  The other 
point is, I didn't find (on Linux) a setting for the Ascii print util I 
like (a2ps, ajnd please don't try to sell me on yours, I like a2ps) to 
print the correct size for HP Deskjets to use.  So, before I had FreeBSD 
back, I experimented, and found the ideal settings to get Gentoo's a2ps 
to print for me.  Well, FreeBSD *does* have a "a2ps-letterdj) to set a 
default a2ps for letterdj printers, but it seems to work very badly for 
me.  I wanted to find anyone who runs an HP Inkjet printer (apparently 
either their DeskJet or OfficeJet) AND a2ps, so I could ask them to try 
my changes to /usr/local/etc/a2ps.cfg, to see if it works for their 
printer as well as it does for mine, so I could feel safe to inflict 
this on other folks.


I got no replies.  Would you possibly be able to do this?  The HP InkJet 
printers have a slightly larger set of edge margins than a Laser printer 
has, and that causes a2ps to clip off the right hand edge of pages.  I 
wasted a large number of pages, doing a binary search type algorithm to 
locate the best settings for my printer, an old 7130.  You can still buy 
them on EBay, and as an honest recommendation, you would be really, 
really well served to buy one or two right away while they're still 
there, because HP got "marketing-smart" and cut the capabilities of 
their more recent "AIO" line of "All-In-One" type machines.



My situation sounds somewhat similar to yours; wifey has a Winbox
in the house, and I print through it to an HP 6100 Multifunction
machine using apsfilter via SMB/samba.  IIRC, apsfilter thinks the
machine is an "HP920" and uses the HP-provided 'hpijs' driver and
GNU ghostscript.


I sure can say, that (at least on FreeBSD) that I think that apsfilter 
was really the best well-supported printer support on FreeBSD, but I 
will be giving at least a real try  on using CUPS, because it's better 
at networking.  Right now, I print to my Linux box by saying:


ssh (mylinuxhostname) lpr < (file to print)

and that works great, sending any possible file type that CUPS 
recognizes, specifically including all ps, pdf, and graphics types.  I'm 
very good at getting ssh to work without passwords, that's obviously a 
requirement, otherwise you'd have to go thru all the password runaround.


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RE: PHP5 Gzip support

[Chris Haulmark]

Hello Robert:
> 
> Can someone please explain how I install gzip support into a running
> version of PHP5 ?
> 

gzip is enabled by default for encoding.

Did you mean bzip?

When you are installing php5 extensions on FreeBSD systems from the
ports
tree, normally you would install the the lang/php5-extensions port.  You
will be prompted with a config menu.  In your situation, you can choose
bzip and get that installed.

If you want to add any other extensions after doing the install, you can
use make config to bring that menu back up and then do the reinstall.

Chris


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Re: Major filesystem problems after crash on 7.0-BETA3

[Kris Kennaway]

Doug Poland wrote:

On Mon, November 26, 2007 15:03, Doug Poland wrote:

On Mon, November 26, 2007 14:26, Doug Poland wrote:

Hello,

This morning my 7.0-BETA3 i386 system (Compaq nx7400) reset shortly
after starting X11.  I didn't think much of it and went to get a cup
of coffee while the background fsck took care of the file systems.

Unforunately, something's still broke.  At first, when I tried to
access the /var or /tmp filesystems, I received panics similar to:

mode = 0100644, inum = 31127, fs = /tmp
panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc
cpuid = 0
Uptime: 9s
Physical memory: 3435 MB
Dumping 101 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error.
status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0

** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) **
Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort


After doing some googling, it looked like my filesystems weren't
really clean after several manual runs of fsck.  So I disabled
softupdates on /var and /tmp and ran fsck on those file systems
again.  After mounting them rw, I attempted to hit the filesystem
again, this time getting a panic:

panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch
cpuid = 1
Uptime: 6m40s
Physical memory: 3435 MB
Dumping 149 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error.
status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0

** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) **
Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort

Is there a way to identify and fix these errors?  I'm thinking a
newfs of both /var and /tmp is in order.  I don't really care
about /tmp, and I've backed up /var using dump(8).  My concern is
if I restore /var on top of a newfs'd filesystem, I'll restore my
broken files and have the same problem again.


Just a follow-up...  Everytime I run a  manual fsck on the problem
filesystems, it returns:


BLK(S) MISSING IN BITMAPS
SALVAGE?

* FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *


So it would appear that fsck is unable to repair damage, is that
correct?


Well, having stumped all the experts, I decided to reinstall from
7.0-BETA3 CD-ROM.  After a few minutes of writing to the disk after
newfs, I got more panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch errors.  Since
the device I'm writing to is a 3-day old Maxtor OneTouch III external
HD, I've decided it must be a hardware failure and am returing the
drive.




Yes, for whatever reason FreeBSD is unable to reliably perform I/O to 
the drive (hence the errors dumping).


Kris
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PHP5 Gzip support

[Robert Davison]

Can someone please explain how I install gzip support into a running version of 
PHP5 ?

   
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Re: dansguardian at boot time. +gateway server

[Daniel Bye]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 09:27:02PM +0530,   wrote:
> Hello
> I installed dansguardian , gave it's entry in my /etc/rc.conf
> squid_enable="YES"
> dansguardian_enable="YES"
> 
> I am getting error at the boot time dansguardian couldn't connected to
> parent proxy.  Whereas squid starts without error.
> I am running squid over port 3121 and dansguardian on port 8080.
> 
> After logging in and giving command "dansguardian" it starts without any 
> error.

It sounds as though they're either starting in the wrong order, or 
dansguardian is starting before squid has had a chance to settle.

You can check what order they're starting in by doing

 # rcorder /etc/rc.d* /usr/local/etc/rc.d/*

and looking through the output for squid and dansguardian. Squid should
appear earlier in the list. If they are starting in the correct order,
try turning on squid's debugging to see why it is taking so long to 
start.

If they're starting in the wrong order, you can either rename the
control scripts as Mark suggested, or you can utilise the rcorder(8)
mechanism. In the squid control script, you should have this block near
the top:

# PROVIDE: squid
# REQUIRE: LOGIN
# KEYWORD: shutdown

And in the dansguardian control script, you should have this:

# PROVIDE: dansguardian
# REQUIRE: NETWORKING SERVERS squid
# KEYWORD: shutdown


> Plus in linux I have /etc/rc.local configuration file which i use to
> run special commands after my linux boots,
> How to do the same with FreeBSD.

You can create /etc/rc.local if you want, and it will run at the right
time. However, it is lightly deprecated these days in favour of 
/usr/local/etc/rc.d, as used by the ports. For each custom startup job
you want to run at boot time, create an rcorder(8) style script in 
/usr/local/etc/rc.d. rcorder(8) gives you great flexibility over the
start order.

Dan

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RE: dansguardian at boot time. +gateway server

[Johan Hendriks]

You can also edit the file /usr/local/etc/rc.d/dansquardian and add squid to 
the require line like so
 
# PROVIDE: dansguardian
# REQUIRE: NETWORKING SERVERS squid
# KEYWORD: shutdown

that should start squid before dansquardian.
at least in my case it does
 
regards,
Johan Hendriks



Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] namens Mark D. Foster
Verzonden: di 27-11-2007 21:18
Aan: 
CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Onderwerp: Re: dansguardian at boot time. +gateway server



 wrote:
> Hello
> I installed dansguardian , gave it's entry in my /etc/rc.conf
> squid_enable="YES"
> dansguardian_enable="YES"
>
> I am getting error at the boot time dansguardian couldn't connected to
> parent proxy.  Whereas squid starts without error.
> I am running squid over port 3121 and dansguardian on port 8080.
>
> After logging in and giving command "dansguardian" it starts without any 
> error.
>  
Had a similar problem  with dansguardian & tinyproxy, they start in the
wrong order.
So...
rename /usr/local/etc/rc.d/squid.sh to 01_squid.sh
rename /usr/local/etc/rc.d/dansguardian.sh to 02_dansguardian.sh
You might need to add "sleep 5" into 02_dansguardian.sh to give squid.sh
time to finish starting up.

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how to compile and install a new driver

[Steve Franks]

Hi,

I found this thread
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2006-August/027445.html
to a driver I need for my system.

(1) The file extension
(http://www.dons.net.au/~darius/ucp-0.01.diff.gz) is .diff, not .c, so
what exactly do I do with it to compile it?

(2) Assuming I can get it to compile, which I've never done, what do I
do with the object/driver file?

This driver is long overdue, the part has been in usb devices for
several years, and support is in OpenBSD and Linux already (so I'm
told by google).  I'll happily document the process if someone holds
my hand.  Oh, and as I'm a hardware engineer, I have at least 6
working (tested with win32 boxes) examples of the actual part to test
with - I'll know if the driver is functional immediately.  Google
found no mention of it, other than the given sites, so I assume it's
not being incorporated into 7-release.

Thanks,
Steve
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Re: dansguardian at boot time. +gateway server

[Mark D. Foster]

अनुज wrote:
> Hello
> I installed dansguardian , gave it's entry in my /etc/rc.conf
> squid_enable="YES"
> dansguardian_enable="YES"
>
> I am getting error at the boot time dansguardian couldn't connected to
> parent proxy.  Whereas squid starts without error.
> I am running squid over port 3121 and dansguardian on port 8080.
>
> After logging in and giving command "dansguardian" it starts without any 
> error.
>   
Had a similar problem  with dansguardian & tinyproxy, they start in the
wrong order.
So...
rename /usr/local/etc/rc.d/squid.sh to 01_squid.sh
rename /usr/local/etc/rc.d/dansguardian.sh to 02_dansguardian.sh
You might need to add "sleep 5" into 02_dansguardian.sh to give squid.sh
time to finish starting up.

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Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g)

[Caio Figueiredo Abecia]

Hey,
I'm new to bsd too.
Here's my contribution: :)

To install NTFS-3G from ports:
First make sure you have the freebsd source code.
Then login as root.

Go to: /usr/ports/sysutils/fusefs-ntfs
Then type:
#: make install clean

To use it you have to load first the kernel module by typing:
#: kldload
Then mount the ntfs partition using:

#: ntfs-3g /dev/ad0s1 /mnt/windows

That's it.

- Original Message - 
From: "Caio Figueiredo Abecia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Jerry McAllister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g)



Hi,

This week I have tested NTFS-3G in Freebsd (pc-bsd) with success.
It's quite simple.

I'm busy at the moment but I'll reply this e-mail more late with the 
step-by-step to make NTFS-3G works if you want.


[]'s

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From: "Jerry McAllister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g)



On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:33:24PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I am newbie of FreeBSD and I have been trying to learn other O/S and I
have chosen OpenSUSE and using it for quite some time, would like to try
others, example FreeBSD, PC-BSD or DesktopBSD. Before anythings, I do
some reading and found out that the read-only support for NTFS
partition, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_systems  (at
the "Technical Information" section)

However, the NTFS partition is still important for me with read/write
access by any new O/S, due to my main storage of my data files are in
NTFS partition (external harddisk) that will then be connected to other
computer (Microsoft Windows). Could you please advise me whether the
ntfs-3g command can be (ported) used in BSDs for read-write access to
NTFS. Thank you.


Someone on the list claimed good success just yesterday or the day 
before.

Check in the questions archive.So far, I have only used NTFS in
read only on FreeBSD, but if the ntfs-3g works it could be just what
you want.

jerry


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Re: What does RELEASE-p8 mean?

[Andreas Rudisch]

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:01:03 +0100, Paul Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:


I'm trying to find out what RELEASE-p8 means (specifically what the -p8  
means), and I can't seem to figure out where to find it.




It is the patch level. Take a look at http://www.freebsd.org/security/
and you will figure it out.

Andreas
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Re: What does RELEASE-p8 mean?

[Daniel Bye]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 01:01:03PM -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote:
> Is there a page on the site that explains the version numbering system? 
> I'm trying to find out what RELEASE-p8 means (specifically what the -p8 
> means), and I can't seem to figure out where to find it.

I guess you're talking about 6.2-RELEASE-p8? It refers to the security
patch level - -p8 is the eighth patch to have been issued for 6.2-RELEASE.

Subscribe to security-notifications@ to be kept informed of when a new 
security patch is issued.

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Re: Upper limit on make -j ?

[Kris Kennaway]

Andy Greenwood wrote:

Aryeh Friedman wrote:
Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR 
for:


make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel
seg faulting
  


I thought that the kernel builds couldn't be built using parallel jobs, 
that it might break something. Is that not true?


Not true for many years.

Kris

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What does RELEASE-p8 mean?

[Paul Schmehl]

Is there a page on the site that explains the version numbering system? 
I'm trying to find out what RELEASE-p8 means (specifically what the -p8 
means), and I can't seem to figure out where to find it.


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Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g)

[Caio Figueiredo Abecia]

Hi,

This week I have tested NTFS-3G in Freebsd (pc-bsd) with success.
It's quite simple.

I'm busy at the moment but I'll reply this e-mail more late with the 
step-by-step to make NTFS-3G works if you want.


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From: "Jerry McAllister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g)



On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:33:24PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I am newbie of FreeBSD and I have been trying to learn other O/S and I
have chosen OpenSUSE and using it for quite some time, would like to try
others, example FreeBSD, PC-BSD or DesktopBSD. Before anythings, I do
some reading and found out that the read-only support for NTFS
partition, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_systems  (at
the "Technical Information" section)

However, the NTFS partition is still important for me with read/write
access by any new O/S, due to my main storage of my data files are in
NTFS partition (external harddisk) that will then be connected to other
computer (Microsoft Windows). Could you please advise me whether the
ntfs-3g command can be (ported) used in BSDs for read-write access to
NTFS. Thank you.


Someone on the list claimed good success just yesterday or the day before.
Check in the questions archive.So far, I have only used NTFS in
read only on FreeBSD, but if the ntfs-3g works it could be just what
you want.

jerry


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Re: Am I back? Re: kernel fault trying to add atapicam...

[Gary Kline]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 08:12:08AM +0100, Roland Smith wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 05:35:46PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > 
> > Folks (to the whole list, but esp'ly Messrs Smith [NL & AU],
> > 

[[ ... ]]

> 
> Can you post or mail your kernel config?
> I can sed you mine if that helps.
> 
> > Could it be as simple as Not having done a make clean
> > before doing a make buildkernel? 
> 
> It is recommended to clean out /usr/obj before starting a new build.


I'll try this first, then rebuild 6.2 and try to reboot.
So far, I haven't touched the kernel configuration file
except for adding atapicam.  Willl send, off-list, if same fault
hang up during boot.  ...But IIRC, *not* haviing removed the 
/usr/obj tree has caused problems before.

gary

> 
> > I don't burn // copy audio
> > discs that often and haven't ever copied a DVD; I just want these
> > new utilities to work.
> 
> You could try burncd, which doesn't require the speudo-SCSI stuff. But
> I've heard a lot of grumbling about it on the list over the years.
> 
> Roland
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Kevin Kinsey]

Bart Silverstrim wrote:



Paul Schmehl wrote:
--On Tuesday, November 27, 2007 01:19:50 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

Beastie's Law:

  Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website
using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically
wrong.


Political Incorrectness is very subjective though.   In some circles
for example immigrants are "foreign born" and using the correct term
is "wrong".


Could we please dump this crap from the questions list and carry it 
forward on the chat list, where it belongs?  It's getting very old.


How about a law describing the time it takes for someone to start 
complaining that thread XYZ needs to be moved elsewhere where it truly 
belongs, thus both voicing their dislike of the thread and still 
prolonging and contributing to the noise at the same time?




10h42m in the present thread's case; if 
($threadXYZ['title']=="who wrote this"), then

it's 47h29m, or "approximately two days", which
seems to be a more reasonable estimate based on
my experience with the lists, and not taking into
account whether or not the OP is a known troll,
in which case it's 2 to 3 times faster, at least.

:-D

Kevin Kinsey
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Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g)

[Jerry McAllister]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:33:24PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I am newbie of FreeBSD and I have been trying to learn other O/S and I
> have chosen OpenSUSE and using it for quite some time, would like to try
> others, example FreeBSD, PC-BSD or DesktopBSD. Before anythings, I do
> some reading and found out that the read-only support for NTFS
> partition, see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_systems  (at
> the "Technical Information" section)
> 
> However, the NTFS partition is still important for me with read/write
> access by any new O/S, due to my main storage of my data files are in
> NTFS partition (external harddisk) that will then be connected to other
> computer (Microsoft Windows). Could you please advise me whether the
> ntfs-3g command can be (ported) used in BSDs for read-write access to
> NTFS. Thank you.

Someone on the list claimed good success just yesterday or the day before.
Check in the questions archive.So far, I have only used NTFS in
read only on FreeBSD, but if the ntfs-3g works it could be just what
you want.

jerry

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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Jerry McAllister]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 11:38:55AM +0100, Peo Nilsson wrote:

> 
> On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 18:13 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> 
> > > it was the fascism that lost the war.  He discarded his country for his 
> > > fascism.
> 
> *No* humans *win* any kind of "war".
> They *all* loose...

So obviously true that only those who experience it, see it.

> 
> ...will they ever learn?.
> 
> Well, by "erasing" the history, no matter who "tried"
> to write it, the chance decrease...

Hmmm.   I have come to think that our writing our history condemns
us to repeat it rather than the other way around.With oral history
it is possible to creatively adjust it in each generation.  With written
history, it is only creatively adjusted (no history is written truthfully)
when it is first written down which is the time it is least understood
or at least, least seen in perspective.

Then, since it is written, we seem condemned to believing it rather
than making it useful to our needs.

jerry

> 
> 
> - EvErY day is a rare gift -
> 
> Have a gr8 day every one, it's unique...:-)
> 
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> /Peo
> 
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Bart Silverstrim]

Paul Schmehl wrote:
--On Tuesday, November 27, 2007 01:19:50 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

Beastie's Law:

  Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website
using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically
wrong.


Political Incorrectness is very subjective though.   In some circles
for example immigrants are "foreign born" and using the correct term
is "wrong".


Could we please dump this crap from the questions list and carry it 
forward on the chat list, where it belongs?  It's getting very old.


How about a law describing the time it takes for someone to start 
complaining that thread XYZ needs to be moved elsewhere where it truly 
belongs, thus both voicing their dislike of the thread and still 
prolonging and contributing to the noise at the same time?


:-)

-Bart
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Jerry McAllister]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 06:13:21PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Joshua Isom wrote:
> >
> >On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:44 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> >
> >>Joshua Isom wrote:
> >>>On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Hitler was a good facist, he did his job well."
> >>
> >>no, he was a bad one. He finally lost
> >
> >But he lost in due part to his fascism, and his devotion to the 
> 
> he only lost because of the Germans sabotaging him.

Not hardly.   He lost because he was unable to see reality when
it conflicted with his pre-made conclusions and 'plan' - something
familiar in the USA at the moment.

> 
> He was the last man standing saving the last bullet for himself.

No, he committed suicide because he couldn't face up to the loss.

> 
> >it was the fascism that lost the war.  He discarded his country for his 
> >fascism.
> 
> He gave his life for the country.

Not really.   In this he was a good facist -- he gave his country
for his on well being and when his country was insufficient, he
failed and bailed out.

His was a classic case of what is often called the 'radical right syndrom'
in psychology studies.   It is a slight misnomer because there can
be a similar pathology that features the political left, but it is not
nearly as common.  Deviants leaning in that direction tend to manifest
it differently.   

Anyway, the basic synopsis is that he was encourated to perceive himself
as a total loser during his formative years, primarily by an abusive
father figure who also demanded that he be strong.   He became, for a while, 
a mama's boy.  But he was unable to contain the two conflicting perceptions 
 - that of being an unsucessful loser and that he must be strong and
successful - acquiring a severe case of something called cognative dissonance.
Most people learn to blunt the extreme edges of these conflicts as they
mature, but some cannot and must act out in some way.   Adolf's way was
anti-social in extreme.   He did the classic thing for someone experiencing
severe cognative disonance and found convenient places to offload his
conflict - Jews and others who were popularly seen as misfits and often
blamed for social problems - and, since this does not really relieve the
problem, continued to escalate this attempt to offload his internal conflict.
He was able to invent an image for himself which he used to recruit and
hold followers who were also looking for ways to explain their failures
and/or for relief from their bad condidtions, but he never really believed
that image of himself and also had to escalate it continuously to support
it so as not to fall back in to that unacceptable loser state.

When it was finally no longer possible to support that image, he chose
death, pretending it was the bold way, when actually it was just yet
another way of avoiding the perceived reality that he had carried with
him all his life.

This syndrom, based on cognative disonance, is fairly common and is present 
in many of the terrorist types - especially the leaders, but not necessarily 
the followers whom they dupe in to believing their acts are ways of salvation 
from abuse rather than escapes from unacceptable internal conclicts.   It is 
also apparent in some political leaders, including some currently prominent
on the world stage, in varying intensities.

Now, how does this fit in OS type questions.   I'd really have to think
hard to rationalize that.Sorry.

jerry

> 
> >
> >>>Flame war anyone?
> >>
> >>Verbrannte Erde was the motto of his final campaign.
> >>
> >>The mother of all flame wars.
> >
> >Classic retreat strategy.  Make the earth worthless.  Kind of doesn't 
> >work when food keeps coming in, and not just grown.
> 
> Classic? How wasted his own resources like this before?
> 
> Erich
> 
> PS:
> 
> I hope real nazis never read this as they will not be able to understand 
> the irony in here
> 
> >
> >>Erich
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: Upper limit on make -j ?

[Ivan Voras]

Aryeh Friedman wrote:
> Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR for:
> 
> make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel
> seg faulting

Yes it is. Like others said, obtain as much information about the
problem as you can (backtraces). Try to discover if it fails in make,
gcc or somewhere else.

The ridiculous setting should "do the right thing" which is work very
slowly, but it *should* work.



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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Paul Schmehl]

--On Tuesday, November 27, 2007 01:19:50 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

Beastie's Law:

  Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website
using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically
wrong.


Political Incorrectness is very subjective though.   In some circles
for example immigrants are "foreign born" and using the correct term
is "wrong".


Could we please dump this crap from the questions list and carry it forward 
on the chat list, where it belongs?  It's getting very old.


--
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Senior Information Security Analyst
The University of Texas at Dallas
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RE: Help for very bad perf for MySQL

[Michael K. Smith - Adhost]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Carroll
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 8:12 AM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL
> 
> > Is Hyperthreading enabled  (by default it is not under
> > FreeBSD)  mysql is heavily dependent on threading, if it is not
> > built and linked into the freebsd threads package you will get
> > poor performance.  Some folks have installed the linux compat libs
> > and linked mysql into the linux threads package and reported good
> > results.
> 
> Actually, on 6.2, it's better to use libthr instead of libpthread.
> This can be done for MySQL only, but to test this without recompiling
> MySQL, he can:
> 
> % echo "libpthread.so.2 libthr.so.2" >> /etc/libmap.conf
> 
> Then restart the mysql server and test again. I noticed a huge
> increase in performance on 6.2 with libthr instead of libpthread. It
> wasn't a 10x improvement, though, so there is definitely something
> else going on with his setup.
> 
> Regards,
> Josh

Here are some things that helped us on a high-volume MySQL server.

-- /etc/sysctl.conf -- (these can be added dynamically from the command
line)
kern.threads.max_groups_per_proc=4
kern.threads.max_threads_per_proc=4
kern.maxfiles=65535
kern.maxfilesperproc=65535

-- /boot/loader.conf -- (You'll have to reboot for these to take effect)
kern.maxdsiz="1073741824" # 1GB
kern.dfldsiz="1073741824" # 1GB
kern.maxssiz="134217728" # 128MB

-- /etc/libmap.conf -- (as Josh said)
[mysqld]
libpthread.so.2 libthr.so.2
libpthread.so libthr.so

Regards,

Mike
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Re: Major filesystem problems after crash on 7.0-BETA3

[Mike Jeays]

On November 27, 2007 09:22:42 am Doug Poland wrote:
> On Mon, November 26, 2007 15:03, Doug Poland wrote:
> > On Mon, November 26, 2007 14:26, Doug Poland wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> This morning my 7.0-BETA3 i386 system (Compaq nx7400) reset shortly
> >> after starting X11.  I didn't think much of it and went to get a cup
> >> of coffee while the background fsck took care of the file systems.
> >>
> >> Unforunately, something's still broke.  At first, when I tried to
> >> access the /var or /tmp filesystems, I received panics similar to:
> >>
> >> mode = 0100644, inum = 31127, fs = /tmp
> >> panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc
> >> cpuid = 0
> >> Uptime: 9s
> >> Physical memory: 3435 MB
> >> Dumping 101 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error.
> >> status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0
> >>
> >> ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) **
> >> Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort
> >>
> >>
> >> After doing some googling, it looked like my filesystems weren't
> >> really clean after several manual runs of fsck.  So I disabled
> >> softupdates on /var and /tmp and ran fsck on those file systems
> >> again.  After mounting them rw, I attempted to hit the filesystem
> >> again, this time getting a panic:
> >>
> >> panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch
> >> cpuid = 1
> >> Uptime: 6m40s
> >> Physical memory: 3435 MB
> >> Dumping 149 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error.
> >> status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0
> >>
> >> ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) **
> >> Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort
> >>
> >> Is there a way to identify and fix these errors?  I'm thinking a
> >> newfs of both /var and /tmp is in order.  I don't really care
> >> about /tmp, and I've backed up /var using dump(8).  My concern is
> >> if I restore /var on top of a newfs'd filesystem, I'll restore my
> >> broken files and have the same problem again.
> >
> > Just a follow-up...  Everytime I run a  manual fsck on the problem
> > filesystems, it returns:
> >
> > 
> > BLK(S) MISSING IN BITMAPS
> > SALVAGE?
> > 
> > * FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *
> >
> >
> > So it would appear that fsck is unable to repair damage, is that
> > correct?
>
> Well, having stumped all the experts, I decided to reinstall from
> 7.0-BETA3 CD-ROM.  After a few minutes of writing to the disk after
> newfs, I got more panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch errors.  Since
> the device I'm writing to is a 3-day old Maxtor OneTouch III external
> HD, I've decided it must be a hardware failure and am returing the
> drive.

I have an older Maxtor drive (40GB) that refuses to allow FreeBSD to install, 
but has worked flawlessly with Linux. (It would work very slowly in PIO mode, 
but not DMA, which is not a whole lot of use).  I would be interested to hear 
if your replacement disk works.



-- 
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http://www.jeays.ca
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Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken)

[Michael C. Cambria]

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

[deleted]
Don't know but a dime is too much right now (I am personally living on
$15/mo once the rent, food and connectivity is paid for [the wonders
of a startup with no investors]).   That is one reason why colo is not
possible... yes I understand most of the hassles involved since I was
the head sysadmin for a full service ISP in a former life (mid to late
90's).




Well, I think your stuck paying money for a service, but there are
some cheap ones out there.

This guy is pretty cheap:

http://www.domainmx.net/

This one is free - if you can deal with UUCP and the LD charges
to access with it:

http://www.bungi.com

  
I have a similar "virtual company" with people all over the place.  I 
was running everything locally at one time.  Since my (FreeBSD) router 
is always up, and my provider keeps the IP the same it worked for me.  
There were some reverse DNS issues where incoming mail from say AOL 
wouldn't make it but for me it was "who cares".  The senders I cared 
about worked.


I since moved mail for my domains to http://www.csoft.net.  These guys 
fit my budget ($15/mo), provide a static IP, let me pick FreeBSD as my 
server (vs. OpenBSD or Linux last time I checked; there may be other 
choices now.)  I also get shell access which lets me port forward when 
needed to get around providers (or hotels) that block ports I need.  
Last I checked, there are no bandwidth or other restrictions.  They are 
also very open source friendly.


MikeC

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Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL

[Josh Carroll]

> Is Hyperthreading enabled  (by default it is not under
> FreeBSD)  mysql is heavily dependent on threading, if it is not
> built and linked into the freebsd threads package you will get
> poor performance.  Some folks have installed the linux compat libs
> and linked mysql into the linux threads package and reported good
> results.

Actually, on 6.2, it's better to use libthr instead of libpthread.
This can be done for MySQL only, but to test this without recompiling
MySQL, he can:

% echo "libpthread.so.2 libthr.so.2" >> /etc/libmap.conf

Then restart the mysql server and test again. I noticed a huge
increase in performance on 6.2 with libthr instead of libpthread. It
wasn't a 10x improvement, though, so there is definitely something
else going on with his setup.

Regards,
Josh
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dansguardian at boot time. +gateway server

[अनुज]

Hello
I installed dansguardian , gave it's entry in my /etc/rc.conf
squid_enable="YES"
dansguardian_enable="YES"

I am getting error at the boot time dansguardian couldn't connected to
parent proxy.  Whereas squid starts without error.
I am running squid over port 3121 and dansguardian on port 8080.

After logging in and giving command "dansguardian" it starts without any error.

What can be the reason?
Plus in linux I have /etc/rc.local configuration file which i use to
run special commands after my linux boots,
How to do the same with FreeBSD.

Thanks and Regards.
Anugunj Anuj
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Re: Upper limit on make -j ?

[Pieter de Goeje]

On Tuesday 27 November 2007, Andy Greenwood wrote:
> Aryeh Friedman wrote:
> > Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR
> > for:
> >
> > make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel
> > seg faulting
>
> I thought that the kernel builds couldn't be built using parallel jobs,
> that it might break something. Is that not true?
In my experience parallel kernel builds are fine. I think (wild guess) the OP 
is running out of memory and somewhere in make or gcc the return value of 
malloc() isn't checked.

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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Andy Greenwood]

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
  

-Original Message-
From: Aryeh M. Friedman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:20 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; FreeBSD chat
Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law


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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:


Beastie's Law:

  Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website
using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically
wrong.
  

Political Incorrectness is very subjective though.



It doesen't matter.  What constitutes a Nazi comparison is also
very subjective.  However, Godwin's law works anyway.
  


According to wikipedia (I am aware this isn't a real source) Godwin's 
law is defined thusly.


As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison 
involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.


The law isn't subjective at all. It specifically requires the comparison 
of one of the points or platforms to those of Nazis or Hitler himself. 
The comparison itself could be as oblique or subjective as you want, but 
the fact is that it must DIRECTLY involve Nazis or Hitler.


However, I don't agree that the proposed Beastie's Law is subjective 
either. It states that the person making the demands is using political 
incorrectness as one of their points as to why the change should be 
made. Whether or not everyone will agree on the political 
(in)correctness of the proposed change is irrelevant.

Ted
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Re: Upper limit on make -j ?

[Andy Greenwood]

Aryeh Friedman wrote:

Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR for:

make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel
seg faulting
  


I thought that the kernel builds couldn't be built using parallel jobs, 
that it might break something. Is that not true?

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Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT

[Jerahmy Pocott]

On 27/11/2007, at 5:49 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

-Original Message-
From: Jerahmy Pocott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:48 AM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: FreeBSD Questions
Subject: Re: Difficulties establishing VPN tunnel with IPNAT


Perhaps, but I'v heard a lot of good things about IPF and IPNAT,
especially since the nat is all in kernel where as natd is  
userland, so

there is a slight performance boost possibly there as well..



I will address this one point here since it's enough to make
someone scream, it's such an old chestnut.

natd is always criticized because going to userland is slow.  So,
people who have slowness problems think that is the issue.

In reality, the problem is that the DEFAULT setup and man page
examples for natd use the following ipfw divert rule:

   /sbin/ipfw -f flush
   /sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via ed0
   /sbin/ipfw add pass all from any to any

This produces a rule such as the following:

00050  divert 8668 ip from any to any via de0

The problem though, is this is wrong.  What it is doing is that
ALL traffic that comes into and out of the box - no matter what
the source and destination is - will be passed to the natd translator.

What you SHOULD be using is a set of commands such:

ipfw add divert natd ip from any to [outside IP address] in recv  
[outside

interface]
ipfw add divert natd ip from not [outside IP address] to any out recv
[inside interface] xmit [outside interface]


That does make a lot of sense!

How ever the 2nd rule is slightly confusing me.. Shouldn't it be  
something
like: divert natd ip from [internal net range] to any out via  
[outside if]?


Cheers,
J.
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Re: Major filesystem problems after crash on 7.0-BETA3

[Doug Poland]

On Mon, November 26, 2007 15:03, Doug Poland wrote:
>
> On Mon, November 26, 2007 14:26, Doug Poland wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> This morning my 7.0-BETA3 i386 system (Compaq nx7400) reset shortly
>> after starting X11.  I didn't think much of it and went to get a cup
>> of coffee while the background fsck took care of the file systems.
>>
>> Unforunately, something's still broke.  At first, when I tried to
>> access the /var or /tmp filesystems, I received panics similar to:
>>
>> mode = 0100644, inum = 31127, fs = /tmp
>> panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc
>> cpuid = 0
>> Uptime: 9s
>> Physical memory: 3435 MB
>> Dumping 101 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error.
>> status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0
>>
>> ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) **
>> Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort
>>
>>
>> After doing some googling, it looked like my filesystems weren't
>> really clean after several manual runs of fsck.  So I disabled
>> softupdates on /var and /tmp and ran fsck on those file systems
>> again.  After mounting them rw, I attempted to hit the filesystem
>> again, this time getting a panic:
>>
>> panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch
>> cpuid = 1
>> Uptime: 6m40s
>> Physical memory: 3435 MB
>> Dumping 149 MB:Aborting dump due to I/O error.
>> status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0
>>
>> ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) **
>> Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort
>>
>> Is there a way to identify and fix these errors?  I'm thinking a
>> newfs of both /var and /tmp is in order.  I don't really care
>> about /tmp, and I've backed up /var using dump(8).  My concern is
>> if I restore /var on top of a newfs'd filesystem, I'll restore my
>> broken files and have the same problem again.
>>
> Just a follow-up...  Everytime I run a  manual fsck on the problem
> filesystems, it returns:
>
> 
> BLK(S) MISSING IN BITMAPS
> SALVAGE?
> 
> * FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *
>
>
> So it would appear that fsck is unable to repair damage, is that
> correct?
>
Well, having stumped all the experts, I decided to reinstall from
7.0-BETA3 CD-ROM.  After a few minutes of writing to the disk after
newfs, I got more panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch errors.  Since
the device I'm writing to is a 3-day old Maxtor OneTouch III external
HD, I've decided it must be a hardware failure and am returing the
drive.


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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Bart Silverstrim]

Peo Nilsson wrote:

On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 18:13 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote:

it was the fascism that lost the war.  He discarded his country for his 
fascism.


*No* humans *win* any kind of "war".
They *all* loose...


Loose?  Catch them then.
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Re: who wrote this

[Bart Silverstrim]

Erich Dollansky wrote:

Hi,

eBoundHost: Artur wrote:

On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:12:36PM -0600, eBoundHost: Artur wrote:




1) first of all, i don't think that freebsd operating system is an 
appropriate forum to express political views.  so whether we are for 
or against censorship or democracy or fascism or communism, it really 
does not matter.  what matters is how good our coding is, and how 
appropriate the wording on our website.  because like it or not, we 
have to present a decent website that does not offend our users and 
does not make us look bad in front of non-users.


this reasoning was one of the main excuses of Germans after the war was 
lost. 'I only did my job'.


This thread has been a wonderful demonstration of how people rationalize 
and interpret information.


The poster before you was saying that they don't care what your non-BSD 
related views are, keep them to yourself.  They're saying the priority 
is to promote and evangelize BSD. The political commentary has nothing 
to do with the OS, so it reflects on the community when threads like 
this are pursued.


Somehow, you're saying the "Germans rationalized their atrocities with 
the excuse they were only doing their jobs."


A) I don't see how the two are related at all.  You're not making any 
clear justification for that reply.
B) What happened was more a demonstration of society and psychology than 
having an entire nation suddenly "go insane."  Every society has 
elements that to an outsider with their own culture and standards seems 
insane, and events of the period will also influence perceptions.


It's also very clear that Germany wasn't one cohesive anti-Jewish loony 
bin.  They were people, plain Jane citizens with their own beliefs and 
lives.


that's what the community thinks is appropriate.  What I'm suggesting 
is that we remove his name from the website: 


Is there a shorter way to express the same thing?


Replace everything mildly offensive with the string Anonymous or Chuck 
or Beastie.  Whitewashing everything is the clearest way to having an 
enlightened community.


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RE: Help for very bad perf for MySQL

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: Albert Shih [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:00 AM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL
>
>
>  Le 26/11/2007 à 22:34:34-0800, Ted Mittelstaedt a écrit
> >
> >
>
> Sorry yeasterday I don't have time to answer you.
>
> > >
> > > I've already send a message. But I don't receive any answer :-(.
> > > I try again
> > > and hope there more solution
> > >
> > > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm
> running Mysql
> > > 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL is very bad. For some
> > > complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on some basic Linux it's take 0.6
> > > sec). And I think this is nothing about thead (that's mean I
> don't think
> > > FreeBSD 7.0 can solve my problem) because it's just for one select.
> > >
> > > The server have two SAS 10 000 tr/m disks.
> > >
> > > Anyone have some advise to tunning FreeBSD or MySQL for increase
> > > the perf ?
> > >
> >
> > Start with the obvious stuff first.  How big is the database?  How
> > big is system ram?  If you have less ram than you have database then
> > mysql will have to go to the hard disk for the select which will kill
> > it's performance.
> >
> Well :
>
> Database size ~ 180Mo
> Ram of server = 4 Go
> 2 processeurs.
> Nothing run on this server (charge is near zero).
>
> The disk I/O is running very fast.
> The make buildworld is fast too (I don't have measure but it's «fast» ;-))
>

Is Hyperthreading enabled  (by default it is not under
FreeBSD)  mysql is heavily dependent on threading, if it is not
built and linked into the freebsd threads package you will get
poor performance.  Some folks have installed the linux compat libs
and linked mysql into the linux threads package and reported good
results.

Ted

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Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL

[cpghost]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:03:19 +0100
Albert Shih <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm 
> > > running Mysql 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL 
> > > is very bad. For some complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on 
> > > some basic Linux it's take 0.6 sec). And I think this is 
> > > nothing about thead (that's mean I don't think FreeBSD 7.0 
> > > can solve my problem) because it's just for one select.
>
> I don't really known it's some scientifical data. But the problem is
> on a basic linux pc (with SATA disk) the time is 0.6 sec with same
> request and same data. And it's for web applications. At 6 sec for
> one request it's become very long for the visitor because the
> application make many requests.

It may also be a simple database administration issue:

If selects are taking so long, I'd strongly suspect that an
INDEX table is either missing or damaged. Are you 100% sure
that the database schema is *identical* on the Linux and
FreeBSD machines? Perhaps dropping and rebuilding the index
tables could speed things up?

You could also try to listen to the disks while that slow
select is performed: if the disks are thrashing, AND the
swap activity is not really higher than else (vmstat -s,
or top), it's a dead giveaway that mysqld is doing more
disk i/o than necessary, i.e. check the index tables. If
on the contrary the disks are quiet while the select runs,
check if mysqld is accumulating CPU time (with top): if it
is NOT, I'd guess it is some issue with the threading library,
i.e. some threads are deadlocked and waiting.

-cpghost.

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Re: Strange kernel log message

[Ceri Davies]

On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 07:58:41PM +, Bruce Cran wrote:
> Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>> On 2007-11-26 09:58, Ceri Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>   
>>> So I have this in my security run output:
>>> kernel log messages:
>>> +++ /tmp/security.hLYJI0kF  Sun Nov 25 03:01:02 2007
>>> +222>2>>>NNNMNMMIII M  III SIISAS SAAA  3 303,020,0 ,,  EE 
>>> IEIIESSSAIAA S A f ff
>>> +
>>> +
>>> +f
>>> 
>>> WTF now?
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure if that's a real kernel message that got garbled or whether
>>> I should be worried about naughtiness.
>>> 
>> 
>> It looks like multiple messages overlapping each other.  Removing 3
>> characters every 4 bytes in the output produces things which seem
>> vaguely recognizable:
>> 
>> <22NNI II A ,,,EISA  fff
>> <<2>NMI  SS 300  ISAAfff
>> 
>> There's a sysctl option which you can tweak to make this less likely to
>> happen, but I am not sure about its name.  Our console gurus can help
>> you track it down and tune its value :)
> 
> The kernel option I've seen mentioned before to at least make this less 
> common is:
> 
> options PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE=128# Prevent printf output being interspersed.

Aha, thanks guys.

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Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL

[Albert Shih]

 Le 26/11/2007 à 07:20:43-0500, Philip M. Gollucci a écrit
> Albert Shih wrote:
> > Hi all
> > 
> > I've already send a message. But I don't receive any answer :-(. I try again
> > and hope there more solution
> > 
> > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm running Mysql
> > 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL is very bad. For some
> > complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on some basic Linux it's take 0.6
> > sec). And I think this is nothing about thead (that's mean I don't think
> > FreeBSD 7.0 can solve my problem) because it's just for one select.
> Well -- we'll need more information, but as your say, if its not
> threading related what makes you think its FreeBSD.  You'd probably have
> better luck over on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks for this information.

> Also, your my.cnf is the next step.

[client]
port= 3306
socket  = /tmp/mysql.sock
[mysqld]
port= 3306
socket  = /tmp/mysql.sock
skip-locking
key_buffer = 384M
max_allowed_packet = 1M
table_cache = 512
sort_buffer_size = 2M
read_buffer_size = 2M
read_rnd_buffer_size = 8M
myisam_sort_buffer_size = 64M
thread_cache_size = 8
query_cache_size = 32M
thread_concurrency = 8
log-bin=mysql-bin
server-id   = 1
[mysqldump]
quick
max_allowed_packet = 16M
[mysql]
no-auto-rehash
[isamchk]
key_buffer = 256M
sort_buffer_size = 256M
read_buffer = 2M
write_buffer = 2M
[myisamchk]
key_buffer = 256M
sort_buffer_size = 256M
read_buffer = 2M
write_buffer = 2M
[mysqlhotcopy]
interactive-timeout

Regards.

JAS

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Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL

[Albert Shih]

 Le 26/11/2007 à 13:29:35+0100, Ivan Voras a écrit
> Albert Shih wrote:
> > Hi all
> > 
> > I've already send a message. But I don't receive any answer :-(. I try again
> > and hope there more solution 
> > 
> > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm running Mysql
> > 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL is very bad. For some
> > complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on some basic Linux it's take 0.6
> > sec). And I think this is nothing about thead (that's mean I don't think
> > FreeBSD 7.0 can solve my problem) because it's just for one select.
> >
> 
> For starts, if you didn't do it already, copy
> /usr/local/share/mysql/my-huge.cnf to /etc/my.cnf and try again. These
> are just some general settings, they might or might not help you.

It's change nothing but thanks for you answer

Regards.

JAS
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Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL

[Albert Shih]

 Le 26/11/2007 à 13:31:12+0100, Jan Catrysse a écrit
> > > > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, 
> > I'm running 
> > > > Mysql 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL is 
> > very bad. 
> > > > For some complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on some basic Linux 
> > > > it's take 0.6 sec).
> 
> > > 6 seconds seem to be an awful lot. What kind of query are 
> > you running 
> > > on what kind of database / contents?
> 
> > I don't really known it's some scientifical data. But the 
> > problem is on a basic linux pc (with SATA disk) the time is 
> > 0.6 sec with same request and same data. And it's for web 
> > applications. At 6 sec for one request it's become very long 
> > for the visitor because the application make many requests.
> > 
> > Regards
> > --
> > Albert SHIH
> 
> Did you try pinpointing down the problem to make sure their is not another
> bottleneck? Is the system running in production environment for the moment
> or are you the sole user?

No the server is empty (only root can logging) and no service running
(other thant Mysql and apache). And when I try this test the load of the
server is near zero.

> 
> How did you install MySQL? I my experience (but I can be wrong) the default
> settings give the best performance on 5.x MySQL FreeBSD 6.2. So no Linux
> threads and stuff...

Directly from the ports.

Regards.
> 
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Re: Help for very bad perf for MySQL

[Albert Shih]

 Le 26/11/2007 à 22:34:34-0800, Ted Mittelstaedt a écrit
> 
> 

Sorry yeasterday I don't have time to answer you.

> >
> > I've already send a message. But I don't receive any answer :-(.
> > I try again
> > and hope there more solution
> >
> > I've a bi-proc single core Xeon 3.2ghz with FreeBSD 6.2, I'm running Mysql
> > 5.X on this server and the performance of MySQL is very bad. For some
> > complexe select I've got ~6secondes (on some basic Linux it's take 0.6
> > sec). And I think this is nothing about thead (that's mean I don't think
> > FreeBSD 7.0 can solve my problem) because it's just for one select.
> >
> > The server have two SAS 10 000 tr/m disks.
> >
> > Anyone have some advise to tunning FreeBSD or MySQL for increase
> > the perf ?
> >
> 
> Start with the obvious stuff first.  How big is the database?  How
> big is system ram?  If you have less ram than you have database then
> mysql will have to go to the hard disk for the select which will kill
> it's performance.
> 
Well : 

Database size ~ 180Mo
Ram of server = 4 Go
2 processeurs.
Nothing run on this server (charge is near zero).

The disk I/O is running very fast.
The make buildworld is fast too (I don't have measure but it's «fast» ;-))

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Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken)

[Bob Richards]

>To be perfectly clear this isn't really receiving mail.  Your
>configuring a system at dydns.org or some other mail forwarder to
>receive your mail for you then forward it on to your system using the
>alternative port.

Not what I am doing. I only suggested that to the original poster who
has an inbound port25 restriction. I receive all my important email
directly.

>Frankly, unless you processing mail for a lot of people, there is no
>benefit to running your own mailserver, and you really ought to be
>using a client-server model for getting mail, as you are doing.  The
>OP just hasn't realized this yet.

There are very good reasons why one might want to receive mail
directly. 

I live and work aboard a trawler, I do not always have the same ISP for
connectivity. At the home dock, I have DSL, underway, I have a satellite
link, close to shore while cruising, or anchored,  I have Sprint 
some marinas offer 80211, etc 

My "Important" email, like weather/navigation alerts, family e-mail,
work related email is delivered directly to the on-board server, which
has a name.servebbs.org, and is kept DNS's properly via dyndns.

All of my outbound email is smart-hosted to another ISP on port 587
Start TLS.

This way, I do not have to have any special access to any particular
ISP to get and send email, it shows up immediately, and I am notified.
 
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Re: BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g)

[Andrew Pantyukhin]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:33:24PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Could you please advise me whether the ntfs-3g command can be
> (ported) used in BSDs for read-write access to NTFS.

http://www.freshports.org/sysutils/fusefs-ntfs/
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Re: short Q

[Gerard Seibert]

> On November 26, 2007 at 07:53PM jekillen wrote:

> > Did you install this from ports? If so. the script would have been 
> > placed
> > there all ready.
> Yes, that is what provoked the original question. I had built and 
> installed
> from source tarball in the past. But one machine was always a problem.
> Once I did install from ports I was lacking info. The startup script 
> was not
> in /etc/rc.d (although I have subsequently got into on 
> /usr/local/etc/rc.d)

That is where it belongs!

> I had followed instructions from MySQL documentation and put the script
> they supplied in /etc/rc.d; mysql.server, but for some reason the script
> did not actually start MyQSL. But the systems seems to look for some
> thing with mysql in the name and runs it if it is in /etc/rc.d. That is 
> how
> I figured out what to do. (or maybe the system will try to run anything
> that is in /etc/rc.d if there is a corresponding enable line in rc.conf 
> it
> understands). The academic question is, is the program that runs the
> startup routine, itself a script or is it a binary?
> Thanks

If you are referring to the script in '/usr/local/etc/rc.d', it is just a
plain script. You can edit it.

Is there a specific reason you installed from a tarball rather than use the
ports system? I have always installed MySQL from ports without any problems.


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Re: eyeOS

[Andrew Pantyukhin]

On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 08:04:48PM -0800, Tony Kivits wrote:
> I have just installed eyeOS from the ports but have noticed
> that the port is a little out of date.
> 
> Has anyone had any success in updating to eyeOS 1.2 and if so,
> what did you have to do to make it work?

The developers have changed the format of the distribution in a
radical way. I took a look but didn't have time to handle the
update. It's on my extended todo list, which doesn't promise
much.

Next time, please address your inquiries to the port maintainer
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Peo Nilsson]

On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 18:13 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote:

> > it was the fascism that lost the war.  He discarded his country for his 
> > fascism.

*No* humans *win* any kind of "war".
They *all* loose...

...will they ever learn?.

Well, by "erasing" the history, no matter who "tried"
to write it, the chance decrease...


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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Joshua Isom wrote:


On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:44 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:


Joshua Isom wrote:

On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:

Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:



"Hitler was a good facist, he did his job well."


no, he was a bad one. He finally lost


But he lost in due part to his fascism, and his devotion to the 


he only lost because of the Germans sabotaging him.

He was the last man standing saving the last bullet for himself.

it was the fascism that lost the war.  He discarded his country for his 
fascism.


He gave his life for the country.




Flame war anyone?


Verbrannte Erde was the motto of his final campaign.

The mother of all flame wars.


Classic retreat strategy.  Make the earth worthless.  Kind of doesn't 
work when food keeps coming in, and not just grown.


Classic? How wasted his own resources like this before?

Erich

PS:

I hope real nazis never read this as they will not be able to understand 
the irony in here





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BSDs support for NTFS read-write (using ntfs-3g)

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I am newbie of FreeBSD and I have been trying to learn other O/S and I
have chosen OpenSUSE and using it for quite some time, would like to try
others, example FreeBSD, PC-BSD or DesktopBSD. Before anythings, I do
some reading and found out that the read-only support for NTFS
partition, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_systems  (at
the "Technical Information" section)

However, the NTFS partition is still important for me with read/write
access by any new O/S, due to my main storage of my data files are in
NTFS partition (external harddisk) that will then be connected to other
computer (Microsoft Windows). Could you please advise me whether the
ntfs-3g command can be (ported) used in BSDs for read-write access to
NTFS. Thank you.

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Re: urgent: undoing a cvsup update

[Erik Cederstrand]

Aryeh Friedman wrote:

I just cvsuped the latest sources and they break many programs named
and most X11-apps comes to mind immediately

Well how do I backout of the this keep in miond I use cvs-supfile
to populate a local repo and did a rm -rf /usr/obj /usr/src thinking
that might clear stuff up but it didn't

As far I can tell I can track the main issue to the new malloc stuff

All programs that are borken just hang immediatlely after invocation



Please, Aryeh. You've been using freebsd for 10 years and asking a flood 
of questions here. You should know by now to at least provide the basic 
info:


uname -a
error messages
cvsup file
the commands you entered to wind up in this unfortunate situation


Since you of course have proper backups, just pop in a CD and do a 
rescue install. Asking questions like the above will get you nowhere.


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Re: Best FreeBSD Firewall for 6.X?

[Peo Nilsson]

On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 02:07 -0600, W. D. wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> Just built a 6.2 box.
> 
> Wondering what is the best software firewall.
> Yes, I know that this is a loaded, and
> subjective issue.
> 
> I just couldn't find a definitive answer:

There is no such "thing" best.
It's a matter of you defining your own needs,
then pick a piece of software that match your
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Re: Upper limit on make -j ?

[Kris Kennaway]

Frank Shute wrote:

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 03:25:52AM -0500, Aryeh Friedman wrote:

Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR for:

make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel
seg faulting


No. Where in the handbook or UPDATING does it tell you to build your
system like that?


It should not seg fault though.  However, when I have done this in the 
past it has not seg faulted, either.  The OP needs to obtain backtraces 
with his PR submission since it may not be reliably reproduceable.


Kris

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urgent: undoing a cvsup update

[Aryeh Friedman]

I just cvsuped the latest sources and they break many programs named
and most X11-apps comes to mind immediately

Well how do I backout of the this keep in miond I use cvs-supfile
to populate a local repo and did a rm -rf /usr/obj /usr/src thinking
that might clear stuff up but it didn't

As far I can tell I can track the main issue to the new malloc stuff

All programs that are borken just hang immediatlely after invocation
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Sunnz]

2007/11/27, Erich Dollansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
>
> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
> >
> > Does this include YouTube?
> >
> this is an incorrect question as Flash is not really supported by FreeBSD.
>

A typical "TV set service" is not really supported by FreeBSD
neither... or FreeBSD is not supported by "TV set service", or
something!!

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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Joshua Isom]

On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:44 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:


Hi,

Joshua Isom wrote:

On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:

Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:



"Hitler was a good facist, he did his job well."


no, he was a bad one. He finally lost


But he lost in due part to his fascism, and his devotion to the 
eradication of the Jews.  There were numerous things he could have done 
to have Germany win the war(namely stepping down after it's start), but 
it was the fascism that lost the war.  He discarded his country for his 
fascism.



Flame war anyone?


Verbrannte Erde was the motto of his final campaign.

The mother of all flame wars.


Classic retreat strategy.  Make the earth worthless.  Kind of doesn't 
work when food keeps coming in, and not just grown.



Erich



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Re: stability of FreeBSD 7 Beta 3?

[Kris Kennaway]

Kris Kennaway wrote:

Chris wrote:

On 26/11/2007, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Tore Lund wrote:

Ivan Voras wrote:

Dave wrote:

Hello,
   How stable is FreeBSD 7 Beta 3? Is it near production are their 
any

outstanding issues?
Probably no major bugs will be fixed between now and 7.0 so you 
might as

well start using it now.

It's "stable enough" like all .0 releases, meaning you should 
throughly

test it for your own workload before using it in production.

Just curious, what is the "official" forum for pre-release discussions?
I notice there are some threads on the "current" list, but it seems to
me that this is really "questions" stuff, since it is an upcoming 
release.

freebsd-stable is probably best.

In any case, I tried the boot-only CD, and I was not able to install 
any

packages during the install process.  Sysinstall aborted with Signal 11
when trying to read INDEX from the ftp site.  Pkg_add from the command
line seems to work, however, so it looks like I may get online from
7.0-BETA3 tomorrow.

That is expected, packages are not available until later in the release
cycle.


Moreover, wasn't there supposed to be a new install program?  I have
read some promising remarks about it, but it's certainly not part of
7.0-BETA3.  Personally, I would much rather type a long list of 
commands

than use the old, rickety sysinstall.

One is in early development, but not even complete let alone ready to
replace sysinstall.

Kris
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Kris can I ask what sort of importance bugs that cause crashes (page
faults) are?
I reported 2 bugs before BETA1 both these bugs involved 7.0 getting a
page fault and of course then stop responding requiring a reboot yet
both PRs have had no response and both bugs are still present in BETA3
I see minor issues been worked on such as responsiveness in desktop
use whilst issues that cause system crashes are left unattended.  Is
FreeBSD primarily a desktop os now and thats the new path?


Of course not :P  What are the PR references?


Try this.

Login to twice on ssh.
If not root su both to root.
using the 2nd tty do a watch -W on the first tty.
on the first tty type 'killall watch'
you have now crashed freebsd 7 and most probably a auto reboot timer
is counting down.


I can confirm this.


Try this patch from kib@

diff --git a/sys/dev/snp/snp.c b/sys/dev/snp/snp.c
index a84e90c..b8f3d63 100644
--- a/sys/dev/snp/snp.c
+++ b/sys/dev/snp/snp.c
@@ -491,7 +491,7 @@ snpioctl(struct cdev *dev, u_long cmd, caddr_t data, 
int flags,

 struct thread *td)
 {
struct snoop *snp;
-   struct tty *tp, *tpo;
+   struct tty *tp;
struct cdev *tdev;
struct file *fp;
int s;
@@ -502,6 +502,9 @@ snpioctl(struct cdev *dev, u_long cmd, caddr_t data, 
int flags,

s = *(int *)data;
if (s < 0)
return (snp_down(snp));
+   if (snp->snp_tty != NULL)
+   return (EBUSY);
+
if (fget(td, s, &fp) != 0)
return (EINVAL);
if (fp->f_type != DTYPE_VNODE ||
@@ -520,13 +523,6 @@ snpioctl(struct cdev *dev, u_long cmd, caddr_t 
data, int flags,

return (EBUSY);

s = spltty();
-
-   if (snp->snp_target == NULL) {
-   tpo = snp->snp_tty;
-   if (tpo)
-   tpo->t_state &= ~TS_SNOOP;
-   }
-
tp->t_state |= TS_SNOOP;
snp->snp_olddisc = tp->t_line;
tp->t_line = snooplinedisc;

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RE: Best FreeBSD Firewall for 6.X?

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of W. D.
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:08 AM
> To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Best FreeBSD Firewall for 6.X?
> 
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Just built a 6.2 box.
> 
> Wondering what is the best software firewall.
> Yes, I know that this is a loaded, and
> subjective issue.
> 

So, quit trolling and don't ask.

> I just couldn't find a definitive answer

That is because there isn't one and you knew that already,
or you wouldn't have stated it was a subjective question.

Ted
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Joshua Isom wrote:


On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:


Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:



"Hitler was a good facist, he did his job well."


no, he was a bad one. He finally lost


Flame war anyone?


Verbrannte Erde was the motto of his final campaign.

The mother of all flame wars.

Erich
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

[Aryeh Friedman]

>
> A typical "TV set service" is not really supported by FreeBSD
> neither... or FreeBSD is not supported by "TV set service", or
> something!!


Talk about being a little literal I don't own a TV and watch
everything I care about thanks to the networks sites, bit torrent and
miro (hopefully will be officially added after the ports freeze is
over)
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Re: Upper limit on make -j ?

[Frank Shute]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 03:25:52AM -0500, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
>
> Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR for:
> 
> make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel
> seg faulting

No. Where in the handbook or UPDATING does it tell you to build your
system like that?

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Best FreeBSD Firewall for 6.X?

[W. D.]

Hi folks,

Just built a 6.2 box.

Wondering what is the best software firewall.
Yes, I know that this is a loaded, and
subjective issue.

I just couldn't find a definitive answer:



Start Here to Find It Fast!™ -> http://www.US-Webmasters.com/best-start-page/
$8.77 Domain Names -> http://domains.us-webmasters.com/

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Upper limit on make -j ?

[Aryeh Friedman]

Before I file a PR I just want to know if it is worth it to file a PR for:

make -j1000 buildworld buildkernel installkernel
seg faulting
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RE: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken)

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Aryeh M.
> Friedman
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:40 PM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Bob Richards
> Subject: Re: Getting around ISP SMTP firewall settings (Re: Submitting a
> new port if send-pr is broken)
> 
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > Really, as others have said, it's easier to pay the money for the
> > business line.  How much extra do they want for it?
> 
> Don't know but a dime is too much right now (I am personally living on
> $15/mo once the rent, food and connectivity is paid for [the wonders
> of a startup with no investors]).   That is one reason why colo is not
> possible... yes I understand most of the hassles involved since I was
> the head sysadmin for a full service ISP in a former life (mid to late
> 90's).
> 

Well, I think your stuck paying money for a service, but there are
some cheap ones out there.

This guy is pretty cheap:

http://www.domainmx.net/

This one is free - if you can deal with UUCP and the LD charges
to access with it:

http://www.bungi.com

Is there any way you could get your webhoster to be a bit more
flexible on their e-mail forwarding?  If for example you could get
them to forward your e-mail to a script run out of your .forward
file on their webserver, you got it made.  They might do that since
it wouldn't require them to devote disk space to a mailbox on
their server.  You would write a perl script that would make a
connection to a nonstandard port on your mailserver.

Ted
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Re: [OT] who wrote this

[Peo Nilsson]

On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 14:26 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 09:49:17PM +0300, Boris Samorodov wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:02:53 + neal wrote:
> > 
> > > You want the name 'Hitler' erased from existence.
> > 
> > Let the name exist.
> > Else where but the official FreeBSD site.
> > Let this OS be out of politics.

What is *not* politics...

As FreeBSD should be used in different "cultures" around
the globe, these discussions, if started, will never end.

What one should ask is:

*WHY* does someone try to start those discussions...

Ps. *who* has the right to *erase* history. Even though
it's those who did survive a "war" that write it, it
is a *great source* to learn about the most scared living
species on earth, the human. If I where a believer, I would
say that the one that would earn most on erasing history is
the devil himself. Ds.


...btw, thx for a great OS and a great comunity etc.


 
- EvErY day is a rare gift -

/ Peo



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