Re: Open_Source

[Wojciech Puchar]

I want to know out of your experience people the following,
1- How open source served your businesses  requirements?

Better performance, stability & savings.


Only saving is a feature of Open Source software. Others are features of 
just particular programs you use!






2- What kind of application that running on Open Source?

I've seen many, mail servers, DNS servers, Cluster (HA), mysql,
apache, tomact, snort, nessus, long list, you want it you get it. Most
recent is a proxy server which is working great over FreeBSD and is
far far better than the any other $MS based server.


There are not only "open source products" and micro-soft in the world.
Of course i agree about performance of FreeBSD based setups.
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RE: Intel NIC issues

[Wojciech Puchar]

I opened the case and the motherboard does not match what was supposed
to be in the machine. I will contact the supplier and see what happens
from there.


Maybe it was just a mistake, but i bet not. At least here putting other 
cheaper products in computer and getting a price for the expensive one - 
is very common practice in polish shops.


Simply because most people buy more expensive because it's "better" and 
will not see a difference then - so such cheating works.

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Re: Open_Source

[Wojciech Puchar]

I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for
other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc.


Given enough incentive, it unfortunately seems even open source
developers will resort to sneaky tactics:
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/mozilla-ponders-policy-change-after-firefox-extension-battle.ars


but it's at least much more difficult. And - my other rule fits very well 
here. Avoid OVERCOMPLEX programs.


Unfortunately there are no well done WWW browsers for unix in the world.
links -g is an exceptions, but in the same time it's quite limited.
But have best fonts :)
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Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources

[Wojciech Puchar]

  - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded.

  Dns is probably fairly busy. It's the primary authorative dns for some 
busy domains.
  Is there a setting I can do to increase the limits of UDP packets to keep 
it from
  causing problems?


it would need to sent 50 (i think) udp packets in burst faster than NIC 
can send it. unlikely. i'm 90% sure there is some problem with network.


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Re: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD?

[Jose Garcia Juanino]

El miércoles 03 de junio a las 00:41:16 CEST, Michael L. Squires escribió:
> 
> There is a port of the Oracle instant client which runs under Linux
> emulation in 
> /usr/ports/databases/linux-oracle-instantclient-
> 
> This appears to use the 10.2.0.3 Oracle Linux instant client.
> 
> I used them some time ago to query an Oracle 10g server, but I didn't test 
> them extensively.

I use sqlplus with instantclient every day and every hour in my FreeBSD
desktop, and works perfectly. I had some issues in FreeBSD 7.0:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-emulation/2008-September/005247.html

but they were fixed in FreeBSD 7.1.

Apart from sqlplus with instantcliente, you can give a try to
databases/sqldeveloper. It works with java, which has addvantages and
dissanvantages.

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Re: acpi HD spin down and CPU sleep

[Tim Judd]

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:17 PM, mojo fms  wrote:

> How would I configure freebsd 7.1 (7.2 upgrade in the future) to sleep the
> HD's and maybe sleep the CPU after an idle time out?  I am trying to save
> power and I would like it to wake on network requests and HD needs.  I read
> the handbook and looked at the acpiconf man page and such but I have not
> seen anything about doing this really.
>
> Thanks
>

ataidle in ports for the HDD

powerd in base for the CPU (if the CPU supports it)
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Cannot delete files in Samba

[Olivier Nicole]

Hi,

I recently upgraded from Samba 3.0.31 to 3.3.2 on a FreeBSD 6.4
server, and since then, the Windows machines have no right to delete
files unless the directory is "chmod o+w"

I tried to play with "map read only" and 'store dos attribues" but not
to avail.

My FreeBSD server is quite standard, the Samba cnfiguration too.

I Googled with no succees.

Any clue is much welcome.

Best regards,

Olivier
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acpi HD spin down and CPU sleep

[mojo fms]

How would I configure freebsd 7.1 (7.2 upgrade in the future) to sleep the
HD's and maybe sleep the CPU after an idle time out?  I am trying to save
power and I would like it to wake on network requests and HD needs.  I read
the handbook and looked at the acpiconf man page and such but I have not
seen anything about doing this really.

Thanks
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Re: shell script port

[Frank Shute]

On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:42:56PM +0200, Stefan Miklosovic wrote:
>
> Hi,

Hi Stefan,

> 
> 
> > If you don't fancy porting it yourself, I'd be happy to have a go at
> > porting it for you.
> >
> > I want to port a more complex piece of software to FreeBSD but I
> > wouldn't mind starting on a simple port first so as to familiarise
> > myself with the porting process.
> >  
> >
> 
> That program should be my result of project in
> school in next months. it is not necessary
> to port it, but it would be nice to show up that
> I am able to do so :)

Best of luck with that! Don't be bashful (groan...pun intended) make
sure you post any questions to questions@ and po...@.

Even though it's for school, part of building software is
collaboration which means asking others questions when you get
stuck, amongst other things.

> 
> If that program was successfull, i would like
> to maintain it as long as possible, just for fun.

Good. I hope your script is useful to others

> 
> I read porters handbook briefly, I have never ported so
> it will be quite interesting.

porters handbook open in browser, your Makefile open in an editor of
your choice and an example Makefile open in less(1) and you shouldn't
go too far wrong.

Regards,

-- 

 Frank 


 Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html 

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Re: Open_Source

[Anuj Singh]

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:42 PM, madunix  wrote:
> Dear Experts,
>
> I want to know out of your experience people the following,
> 1- How open source served your businesses  requirements?
Better performance, stability & savings.

> 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source?
I've seen many, mail servers, DNS servers, Cluster (HA), mysql,
apache, tomact, snort, nessus, long list, you want it you get it. Most
recent is a proxy server which is working great over FreeBSD and is
far far better than the any other $MS based server.

> 3- General experience with Open Source technology?
Satisfaction.
Easy support available, there are many great people who can always
help you out, you don't have to sit and wait for the support from a
bunch of people, where you really can't get what's happening, you
don't have the code. Open source Do as it says. It's wonderful, and as
good as it's user.

>
> Your input would be really appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> madunix
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Thanks & Regards
Anuj Singh
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Re: Is gray listing blocking my server?

[Glen Barber]

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Steve Bertrand  wrote:
> Al Plant wrote:
>> Aloha,
>>
>> Is there something blocking my server from posting to the list. I can
>> post fine to test.
>> I have been on this questions list for years and once before I had posts
>> blocked for some reason after something on your side was updated.
>> Can you check for me please.
>
> I've received your message ok...and your last "Test" message.
>
> Steve
>

Same here.

-- 
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Re: Is gray listing blocking my server?

[Steve Bertrand]

Al Plant wrote:
> Aloha,
> 
> Is there something blocking my server from posting to the list. I can
> post fine to test.
> I have been on this questions list for years and once before I had posts
> blocked for some reason after something on your side was updated.
> Can you check for me please.

I've received your message ok...and your last "Test" message.

Steve


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Is gray listing blocking my server?

[Al Plant]

Aloha,

Is there something blocking my server from posting to the list. I can 
post fine to test.
I have been on this questions list for years and once before I had posts 
blocked for some reason after something on your side was updated.

Can you check for me please.

~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii -  Phone:  808-284-2740
  + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org +
  + http://aloha50.net   - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* +
  < email: n...@hdk5.net >
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Test

[Al Plant]

Test
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  + http://aloha50.net   - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* +
  < email: n...@hdk5.net >
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Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources

[Steve Bertrand]

Chris St Denis wrote:
> Steve Bertrand wrote:

>> What type of device is em1 attached to? Is it a switch or a hub? Is it
>> possible to upgrade this? You should upgrade it to 100 (or 1000)
>> anyways. Does this device show any collisions?
>>   
> This is a dedicated server in a datacenter. I don't know the exact
> switch specs but it's likely a
> layer 2/3 managed switch. Probably a 1U catalyst.

Do you force 10Mb on your NIC, or do you auto-negotiate that?

Perhaps before you pay a higher fee, your colo centre could allow you to
connect to a 100Mb port (with perhaps some traffic policing) so you, as
a client, could quickly verify if you want to scale up to their next
tier without having to spend these up-front costs on troubleshooting
this back-asswards.

> I can upgrade the connection to 100mbps for a small monthly fee. I've
> left it at 10 because I haven't
> had a need, but with traffic recently growing, this is probably the problem.

Tell the colo that. Tell them you need to test their next tier of service!

>> # mail -s "tcpdump output" st...@ipv6canada.com < /var/log/dns.pcap
>>   
> I don't think this is necessary. If cutting down the http traffic or
> raising the port speed doesn't
> fix it, I'll look into further debugging with this.

...one more time, don't attempt to throttle your own traffic to
troubleshoot what looks like a throughput bottleneck.

Start with the collocation provider. They should, for free, allow you to
have a testing period with their next service tier. Hopefully, they can
do it without having to swap your Ethernet cable into another device.

If it works during the test, then a small 'migration' and monthly
upgrade fee would be acceptable (if they choose).

Steve


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Re: Set task priority

[RW]

On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:19:49 -0400
Greg Larkin  wrote:


> I had the same situation here, and nice(1) wasn't cutting it for me.
> I finally switched to idprio(1):
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=idprio&sourceid=opensearch
> 
> idprio 31 mysqldump .
> 
> will run only when other processes are idle.  That should prevent any
> further self-incurred DOS symptoms for you.

IIRC idprio can actually make things worse under heavy load, because it
can lead to priority inversion. I think that's why you have to be root
to set it.
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Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources

[Tim Judd]

- the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded.
>>
>
>   Dns is probably fairly busy. It's the primary authorative dns for
>   some busy domains. Is there a setting I can do to increase the
>   limits of UDP packets to keep it from causing problems?
>


If you extend the SOA record to extend the refresh/TTL etc, you can lighten
the load, until that refresh hits again.  There is no solution other than to
bump up the bandwidth, it seems.
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Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources

[Tim Judd]

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Wojciech Puchar <
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote:

>  lot of searching and have found others with similar problems, but no
>> solutions.
>>
>>  named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
>>  enough free resources
>>  named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
>>  enough free resources
>>  named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
>>  enough free resources
>>  named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
>>  enough free resources
>>  named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
>>  enough free resources
>>
>
> quite misleading message, but the problem is that named want to send UDP
> packet and get's error from kernel.
>
>
> possible reasons
> - your firewall rules are the cause - check it.



Not logically.  If the firewall were to block it, we would not (except by
logging) see any error.
The error we're seeing is the inability to send the packet, such as the Tx
or Rx buffer in the ethernet card is full and can't store another item in
the queue



>
> - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case)
>


a 1000Mbit card on a 10Mbit link can have problems.  A 100/10Mbit card on a
10Mbit doesn't have the same problems.  Had that problem in past jobs.


> - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded.
>

Given the OPs later response that he's reaching the 10Mbit capacity, this is
very likely, and would be the first thing I'd check out.






Given that you're unable to send the packets, I'd say the NICs Tx buffer is
full due to a network link at capacity, so the NIC driver is returning an
error when it tries to queue the packet in the buffers.
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Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources

[Chris St Denis]

Steve Bertrand wrote:

Chris St Denis wrote:
  

Wojciech Puchar wrote:


possible reasons
- your firewall rules are the cause - check it.
  

   Nope

   eureka# ipfw list



- your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case)
  

   I have had this kind of error on multiple servers over the years, so
   i don't think it's a hardware problem.



- the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded.
  

   Dns is probably fairly busy. It's the primary authorative dns for
   some busy domains. Is there a setting I can do to increase the
   limits of UDP packets to keep it from causing problems?

   The server is approaching it's 10 mbps interface speed during peak
   hours, I may need to upgrade it to 100mbps.



The 10Mb ceiling (provided by your ifconfig output) could be a damper on
this.

What type of device is em1 attached to? Is it a switch or a hub? Is it
possible to upgrade this? You should upgrade it to 100 (or 1000)
anyways. Does this device show any collisions?
  
This is a dedicated server in a datacenter. I don't know the exact 
switch specs but it's likely a

layer 2/3 managed switch. Probably a 1U catalyst.

I can upgrade the connection to 100mbps for a small monthly fee. I've 
left it at 10 because I haven't

had a need, but with traffic recently growing, this is probably the problem.


Can you do the following for a few minutes (until at least the problem
is triggered):

# tcpdump -n -i em1 proto 17 port 53 -s -w /var/log/dns.pcap

...and then:

# mail -s "tcpdump output" st...@ipv6canada.com < /var/log/dns.pcap
  
I don't think this is necessary. If cutting down the http traffic or 
raising the port speed doesn't

fix it, I'll look into further debugging with this.

Is this server a caching recursive server for internal clients, or an
authoritative server?
  
An authoritative for some moderately busy domains. Also recursive for 
some jails on this and another server (main recursive is on a private 
(10.0.0.0/24 on em0) network, and this server predates multi-ip jails)


A "tcpdump -n -i em1 -s 0 port 53 > packets.txt" for 1 minute shows

eureka# wc -l packets.txt
359 packets.txt

So about 350 dns packets a minute, at least in this particular minute. 
Less than I expected, I guess most is going to the other dns server at 
the moment.

What else runs on this box?
  

Web hosting. Thats where the full 10mbps comes from.


If you generate further network traffic over the interface, do the log
entries pile up faster?

What does:

# netstat -s -p udp
  

eureka# netstat -s -p udp
udp:
   194973570 datagrams received
   0 with incomplete header
   13 with bad data length field
   884 with bad checksum
   68521 with no checksum
   669174 dropped due to no socket
   17 broadcast/multicast datagrams dropped due to no socket
   733 dropped due to full socket buffers
   0 not for hashed pcb
   194302749 delivered
   195188906 datagrams output

Fyi, if these are since last reboot, this server has been up 381 days.

say?

I'd focus squarely on the 10Mbps cap first. That should be easy to test
and eliminate. Then, once that is rectified, we can find out whether
it's an inherent problem with the system.
  

Yes, I'll deal with this, then reply again if the problem is not resolved.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Steve
  


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Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources

[Steve Bertrand]

Steve Bertrand wrote:
> Steve Bertrand wrote:
>> Chris St Denis wrote:
>>> Wojciech Puchar wrote:
 possible reasons
 - your firewall rules are the cause - check it.
>>>Nope
>>>
>>>eureka# ipfw list
>>>
 - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case)
>>>I have had this kind of error on multiple servers over the years, so
>>>i don't think it's a hardware problem.
>>>
 - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded.
>>>Dns is probably fairly busy. It's the primary authorative dns for
>>>some busy domains. Is there a setting I can do to increase the
>>>limits of UDP packets to keep it from causing problems?
>>>
>>>The server is approaching it's 10 mbps interface speed during peak
>>>hours, I may need to upgrade it to 100mbps.
>> The 10Mb ceiling (provided by your ifconfig output) could be a damper on
>> this.
>>
>> What type of device is em1 attached to? Is it a switch or a hub? Is it
>> possible to upgrade this? You should upgrade it to 100 (or 1000)
>> anyways. Does this device show any collisions?
>>
>> Can you do the following for a few minutes (until at least the problem
>> is triggered):
>>
>> # tcpdump -n -i em1 proto 17 port 53 -s -w /var/log/dns.pcap
> 
> ...meh, that should be:
> 
> # tcpdump -n -i em1 proto 17 and port 53 -s -w /var/log/dns.pcap

Ok. Perhaps I'm getting too old to try to recollect from memory. One
more try (tested ;)

pearl# tcpdump -n -i em1 -s 0 -w /var/log/dns.pcap port 53 and proto 17

Sorry!

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Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources

[Steve Bertrand]

Steve Bertrand wrote:
> Chris St Denis wrote:
>> Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> 
>>> possible reasons
>>> - your firewall rules are the cause - check it.
>>Nope
>>
>>eureka# ipfw list
>>
>>> - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case)
>>I have had this kind of error on multiple servers over the years, so
>>i don't think it's a hardware problem.
>>
>>> - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded.
>>Dns is probably fairly busy. It's the primary authorative dns for
>>some busy domains. Is there a setting I can do to increase the
>>limits of UDP packets to keep it from causing problems?
>>
>>The server is approaching it's 10 mbps interface speed during peak
>>hours, I may need to upgrade it to 100mbps.
> 
> The 10Mb ceiling (provided by your ifconfig output) could be a damper on
> this.
> 
> What type of device is em1 attached to? Is it a switch or a hub? Is it
> possible to upgrade this? You should upgrade it to 100 (or 1000)
> anyways. Does this device show any collisions?
> 
> Can you do the following for a few minutes (until at least the problem
> is triggered):
> 
> # tcpdump -n -i em1 proto 17 port 53 -s -w /var/log/dns.pcap

...meh, that should be:

# tcpdump -n -i em1 proto 17 and port 53 -s -w /var/log/dns.pcap

Steve


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Re: Open_Source

[Steve Bertrand]

Bruce Cran wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:59:51 +0200 (CEST)
> Wojciech Puchar  wrote:

>> I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for 
>> other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc.
> 
> Given enough incentive, it unfortunately seems even open source
> developers will resort to sneaky tactics:
> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/mozilla-ponders-policy-change-after-firefox-extension-battle.ars

To the OPs original question(s), I stand by my beliefs in open source,
in that:

- FreeBSD and other OSS has been the fundamental foundation of our business
- FreeBSD and other OSS can be trusted, so long as there are lists such
as this where users can aggregate and discuss the software in a
professional manner

One more point:

- if a mainstream OSS project decides to make a sudden architectural
change within their development/licensing policy, users such as myself
will find out about it on lists such as this, long before I'd hear about
the same sort of tactic regarding commercial software

Due to the latter point, if the rumblings of significant (unwanted)
change are prevalent, it's easy enough to fork off, and continue to use
the last favourable version available ;)

Steve



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Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources

[Steve Bertrand]

Chris St Denis wrote:
> Wojciech Puchar wrote:

>> possible reasons
>> - your firewall rules are the cause - check it.
> 
>Nope
> 
>eureka# ipfw list
> 
>> - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case)
> 
>I have had this kind of error on multiple servers over the years, so
>i don't think it's a hardware problem.
> 
>> - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded.
> 
>Dns is probably fairly busy. It's the primary authorative dns for
>some busy domains. Is there a setting I can do to increase the
>limits of UDP packets to keep it from causing problems?
> 
>The server is approaching it's 10 mbps interface speed during peak
>hours, I may need to upgrade it to 100mbps.

The 10Mb ceiling (provided by your ifconfig output) could be a damper on
this.

What type of device is em1 attached to? Is it a switch or a hub? Is it
possible to upgrade this? You should upgrade it to 100 (or 1000)
anyways. Does this device show any collisions?

Can you do the following for a few minutes (until at least the problem
is triggered):

# tcpdump -n -i em1 proto 17 port 53 -s -w /var/log/dns.pcap

...and then:

# mail -s "tcpdump output" st...@ipv6canada.com < /var/log/dns.pcap

Is this server a caching recursive server for internal clients, or an
authoritative server?

What else runs on this box?

If you generate further network traffic over the interface, do the log
entries pile up faster?

What does:

# netstat -s -p udp

say?

I'd focus squarely on the 10Mbps cap first. That should be easy to test
and eliminate. Then, once that is rectified, we can find out whether
it's an inherent problem with the system.

Steve


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Re: Open_Source

[Kurt Buff]

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 08:12, madunix  wrote:
> Dear Experts,

That's an incorrect assumption! Heh. No expert me...

> I want to know out of your experience people the following,
> 1- How open source served your businesses  requirements?

Low cost implementations of useful tools for spam/virus mitigation and
network monitoring, plus a network gateway.

> 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source?

Maia Mailguard (including postfix, mysql, clamav, spamassassin), ntop,
netdisco, mrtg, nagios and a few others. Built a gateway/router with a
whitebox, FreeBSD and 3 dual-port NICS to segregate our production
network from our test/dev networks. Built a router with a Sangoma card
and a white box for our DS3 and T1 connections.

> 3- General experience with Open Source technology?

In what sense do you ask?

> Your input would be really appreciated.

Turn about is fair play, methinks. For what purpose(s) are you asking
the question?

Kurt
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RE: Intel NIC issues

[Graeme Dargie]

-Original Message-
From: Graeme Dargie [mailto:a...@tangerine-army.co.uk] 
Sent: 02 June 2009 21:56
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Intel NIC issues



I opened the case and the motherboard does not match what was supposed
to be in the machine. I will contact the supplier and see what happens
from there.

Regards

Graeme 

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Re: Open_Source

[Bruce Cran]

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:59:51 +0200 (CEST)
Wojciech Puchar  wrote:

> > I believe people can get more experience in general with open source
> > technologies than they can with closed source.  The reason is
> > simple: I can look at the code.  I can study it.  I can see what
> > ${APPLICATION} is doing, and how the developer designed it.  This,
> > in itself, makes me better at what I do, and better at
> > troubleshooting my own code.
> 
> I would add - with Open Source add it's far smaller (actually close
> to zero) probability that it doesn't do anything except it's supposed
> to do.
> 
> I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for 
> other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc.

Given enough incentive, it unfortunately seems even open source
developers will resort to sneaky tactics:
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/mozilla-ponders-policy-change-after-firefox-extension-battle.ars

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Re: Set task priority

[Glen Barber]

Greg,

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Greg Larkin  wrote:
>
> I had the same situation here, and nice(1) wasn't cutting it for me.  I
> finally switched to idprio(1):
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=idprio&sourceid=opensearch
>
> idprio 31 mysqldump .
>
> will run only when other processes are idle.  That should prevent any
> further self-incurred DOS symptoms for you.
>

Very cool.  I'll have to add that to my toolbox. :)

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Re: Set task priority

[Steve Bertrand]

Greg Larkin wrote:
> Steve Bertrand wrote:

>> I'll have to play around a bit. Looking closer, it does appear to be a
>> disk I/O issue, but I figured that if I tried to prioritize the job, it
>> might ease-up on all system aspects.

> I had the same situation here, and nice(1) wasn't cutting it for me.  I
> finally switched to idprio(1):
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=idprio&sourceid=opensearch
> 
> idprio 31 mysqldump .
> 
> will run only when other processes are idle.  That should prevent any
> further self-incurred DOS symptoms for you.

Ok that looks promising.

I will give that a try and see how it goes.

Before I ask how mysqldump works, I'll have to do some research on
when/how/if/how long it holds the db tables unreadable/unwritable during
it's process, if it does it at all.

Steve


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Re: Set task priority

[Greg Larkin]

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Steve Bertrand wrote:
> Glen Barber wrote:
>> Hi Steve
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Steve Bertrand  wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I'm attempting to "mysqldump" a database on a box that is hovering near
>>> max CPU and mem usage.
>>>
>>> When I run the command, other critical programs fail to respond causing
>>> an 'outage-like' situation.
>>>
>>> Normally, this is a time-of-day task and will run happily later into the
>>> night, but I want to run it now.
>>>
>>> What is the best way to set priority on my task in order to ensure it
>>> completes as quickly as possible, but does not cause a situation where
>>> other programs and their children can't respond?
>>>
>> You can use nice(1) or renice(1) to set priorities, but I/O and
>> bandwidth will end up being your bottleneck.
> 
> Thanks Glen,
> 
> I'll have to play around a bit. Looking closer, it does appear to be a
> disk I/O issue, but I figured that if I tried to prioritize the job, it
> might ease-up on all system aspects.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Steve

Hi Steve,

I had the same situation here, and nice(1) wasn't cutting it for me.  I
finally switched to idprio(1):
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=idprio&sourceid=opensearch

idprio 31 mysqldump .

will run only when other processes are idle.  That should prevent any
further self-incurred DOS symptoms for you.

Cheers,
Greg
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Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources

[Chris St Denis]

Wojciech Puchar wrote:
lot of searching and have found others with similar problems, but no 
solutions.


  named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
  enough free resources
  named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
  enough free resources
  named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
  enough free resources
  named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
  enough free resources
  named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
  enough free resources


quite misleading message, but the problem is that named want to send 
UDP packet and get's error from kernel.



possible reasons
- your firewall rules are the cause - check it.


   Nope

   eureka# ipfw list
   00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0
   00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8
   00300 deny ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any
   65534 allow ip from any to any
   65535 deny ip from any to any


- your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case)


   I have had this kind of error on multiple servers over the years, so
   i don't think it's a hardware problem.


- the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded.


   Dns is probably fairly busy. It's the primary authorative dns for
   some busy domains. Is there a setting I can do to increase the
   limits of UDP packets to keep it from causing problems?

   The server is approaching it's 10 mbps interface speed during peak
   hours, I may need to upgrade it to 100mbps.



i experienced all 3 cases. last is of course easiest to detect.



Other messages on this subject suggest a shortage of mbuffs of an 
issue with


no you are fine with mbufs, memory etc..
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Re: Set task priority

[Steve Bertrand]

Glen Barber wrote:
> Hi Steve
> 
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Steve Bertrand  wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm attempting to "mysqldump" a database on a box that is hovering near
>> max CPU and mem usage.
>>
>> When I run the command, other critical programs fail to respond causing
>> an 'outage-like' situation.
>>
>> Normally, this is a time-of-day task and will run happily later into the
>> night, but I want to run it now.
>>
>> What is the best way to set priority on my task in order to ensure it
>> completes as quickly as possible, but does not cause a situation where
>> other programs and their children can't respond?
>>
> 
> You can use nice(1) or renice(1) to set priorities, but I/O and
> bandwidth will end up being your bottleneck.

Thanks Glen,

I'll have to play around a bit. Looking closer, it does appear to be a
disk I/O issue, but I figured that if I tried to prioritize the job, it
might ease-up on all system aspects.

Cheers,

Steve


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Re: Intel NIC issues

[Michael L. Squires]

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Erik Trulsson wrote:

Using kenv smbios.system.product   might be a good indication of what you
have too.



Running "kenv smbios.system.product" on two of my machines with Supermicro
motherboards gives me "P4SSE" and "P4DC6" which are both correct.

I know Supermicro has made variants of boards for vendors; for example, I
have a P4DC6 which has no RAID card slot (the solder pads are there, not
the card connector) although this is alleged to be a standard feature of
the P4DC6 in the Supermicro manual.

I have a 1U server (the P4SSE) with a "bge" gigabit Ethernet NIC; rather
than fight with the cards issues I installed an Intel PCI-X gigabit card,
cost $15.  Now that the "bge" problems appear to be solved I may go back
to it, however.  (The Intel NIC uses an internal riser which allows for
one card).  If your vendor promised you two gigabit NICs this may be the
cheap solution (other than replacing the motherboard).

I'm using Intel Pro/1000 and Pro/100 cards exclusively, except in a 
notebook, and I've never found FreeBSD to incorrectly identify the 
card.


Mike Squires

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Re: Set task priority

[Wojciech Puchar]

When I run the command, other critical programs fail to respond causing
an 'outage-like' situation.

Normally, this is a time-of-day task and will run happily later into the
night, but I want to run it now.

What is the best way to set priority on my task in order to ensure it
completes as quickly as possible, but does not cause a situation where
other programs and their children can't respond?


generally single program could not make that - FreeBSD schedules tasks 
well. in certain cases it may be like that.


For example - programs that runs for long time constantly and uses CPU 
gets automatically "downgraded" so your newly run backup task can make 
them really out of CPU power.


man nice

will help you - get your backup program priority down.


Actually i don't know if "downgrading" (called autorenice) can be disabled 
for certain processes. If would make sense for - say - database servers.


Anyone know?
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Re: Set task priority

[Glen Barber]

Hi Steve

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Steve Bertrand  wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm attempting to "mysqldump" a database on a box that is hovering near
> max CPU and mem usage.
>
> When I run the command, other critical programs fail to respond causing
> an 'outage-like' situation.
>
> Normally, this is a time-of-day task and will run happily later into the
> night, but I want to run it now.
>
> What is the best way to set priority on my task in order to ensure it
> completes as quickly as possible, but does not cause a situation where
> other programs and their children can't respond?
>

You can use nice(1) or renice(1) to set priorities, but I/O and
bandwidth will end up being your bottleneck.

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RE: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD?

[Michael L. Squires]

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Gary Gatten wrote:


Surely there's a native Oracle SQL or ODBC client in the ports
collection.  Have you checked there?

-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Martin
McCormick
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:59 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD?

The Subject is most of the question. We will need to query an
Oracle 10 data base and manipulate data. Is this presently
possible under FreeBSD?

Thank you.


Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group


There is a port of the Oracle instant client which runs under Linux
emulation in /usr/ports/databases/linux-oracle-instantclient-

This appears to use the 10.2.0.3 Oracle Linux instant client.

I used them some time ago to query an Oracle 10g server, but I didn't test 
them extensively.


There are also what appear to be older native clients from the Oracle 7 and 8
days, including an Oracle ODBC client.

A search of the freebsd-databases mailing list might turn up something.

I've been peeking at Talend's Open Studio which appears to be a very powerful
tool for working with databases, including Oracle.  This may be trying to
shoot a mouse with a 155mm self-propelled gun, however.  Talend is open source
and there are Linux binaries which may run under FreeBSD Linux emulation.

Mike Squires
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Set task priority

[Steve Bertrand]

Hi everyone,

I'm attempting to "mysqldump" a database on a box that is hovering near
max CPU and mem usage.

When I run the command, other critical programs fail to respond causing
an 'outage-like' situation.

Normally, this is a time-of-day task and will run happily later into the
night, but I want to run it now.

What is the best way to set priority on my task in order to ensure it
completes as quickly as possible, but does not cause a situation where
other programs and their children can't respond?

Steve


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Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

[Wojciech Puchar]

matter at all. Rather if you can get answer to questions about FreeBSD.
You can, even easier if some moderation would be present here.


Considering that the mailing list is one of the few places where
support exists, I don't know that I can agree with you.

Also, I don't think that an artificial filter or barrier-to-entry is
desirable, in general.


Definitely is. It saves our time and their time.


but they don't learn well by reading technical documentation


Then he/she don't need unix, or at least will not ever be able to use it 
without ability to read the documentation.



Some people may want both, but well you can't have everything. It's not
possible to everyone will agree with everyone on mailing list, and with
every potential new user.


I know that disagreeing is inevitable.  My position is that a pleasant
tone would be nice.


Mine too. What i really don't like here sometimes are lack of discussion, 
just agressive answers from some people.



 An example of a harsh tone (one which I haven't
seen on here) is telling someone to RTFM.


No it isn't if you point out WHICH manual - which i always do.


 Another example (which I
have seen on here) is people who just enjoy arguing turning reasonable
threads into flamewars.


Maybe they enjoy, but usually - they just can't resist different opinions 
and start to attack personally.





This keeps the system's quality high.


I politely disagree.  I doubt that a harsh community does anything to
maintain a high-quality system.


Why harsh? I don't understand you here.
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Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

[Wojciech Puchar]

this way - nobody should write anyone. there is always a line that missed
- completely changes a sense of sentence.


I'm sure you know that this is an absurd proposition.


It's just explanation. You can't write anything that will be absolutely 
resistible to misreading.




If second - then please Owners declare it clearly and just add
statement about this.


Isn't there a middle-ground?  Where we can care about how we present
ourselves, yet we do not feel beholden to the possible sponsors?

A good example would be to always respond kindly and appropriately,


There is some difference between responding kindly, and shutting up being 
aware that your opinion may be not accepted by potential new users.


If you are for the second - you propose that any "non-standard" opinion 
should not be presented.


Actually - this way FreeBSD should cease to exist, because it's 
based on non-standard opinions about how operating system should be done - 
contrary to "standard" which define things like micro-soft windows.



Anyway - Do users of any commercial product support list must think
if their words will lower the selling of the product? i don't think
so.


They probably care less about the product.  I personally want FreeBSD
to succeed because it is


Why you want it to succeed? IT ALREADY DID!

You should want it only to be kept that way - keeping the quality.


, in many ways, superior to all of the
alternatives.


No - in many ways it does not have alternatives at all.


 As such, I hope that when I discuss it, I present it in
a good light.  For example, if someone asks me, "How do you do  in
FreeBSD?", I rarely suggest that the go read the fine manual.


And i do - when the answer is clearly readable in manual. So i help reader 
can both get answer to his question and learn how to use man(1)



"Every sentence that can potentially lower the income or core team
are punished with 10 lashes. Erik Osterholm will be the executor".


More absurdity.


Really no sense of humour?
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Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

[Erik Osterholm]

On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:34:55AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they
> > don't want to be a part of that community after all.  That's why it
> 
> Just reread this and, ... don't you think it's quite like a good filter?
> 
> I don't talk about sponsors, but a new potential users.
> 
> If someone needs good unix, he/she will try it and join us. As i said 
> before if he/she agrees with maillist users personal opinions doesn't 
> matter at all. Rather if you can get answer to questions about FreeBSD.
> You can, even easier if some moderation would be present here.

Considering that the mailing list is one of the few places where
support exists, I don't know that I can agree with you.

Also, I don't think that an artificial filter or barrier-to-entry is
desirable, in general.  If a person needs good unix, but they don't
learn well by reading technical documentation, a good community can be
highly beneficial.  Personally, I wouldn't want to discriminate
against users for this.


> Some people may want both, but well you can't have everything. It's not 
> possible to everyone will agree with everyone on mailing list, and with 
> every potential new user.

I know that disagreeing is inevitable.  My position is that a pleasant
tone would be nice.  An example of a harsh tone (one which I haven't
seen on here) is telling someone to RTFM.  Another example (which I
have seen on here) is people who just enjoy arguing turning reasonable
threads into flamewars.


> This keeps the system's quality high.

I politely disagree.  I doubt that a harsh community does anything to
maintain a high-quality system.

Erik
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at/batch subsystem time limit

[Jim Pazarena]

Is there a upper execution (or real) time limit that the system
enforces on at jobs?

I have an at job which would run for at least two hours .. IF it would
run to completion, but it always seems to die for unknown reasons.
I do not get an email or any advice of the reason the job has terminated.

So I was thinking that there may be a kernel timer which kills the job.

is this possible?
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Re: migrating berkeley DBs (4.3 to 4.6)

[Mel Flynn]

On Sunday 31 May 2009 15:23:34 Erik Norgaard wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I have cyrus-imapd 2.3 with Berkeley DB 4.3 and openldap also compiled
> with BDB 4.3.
>
> Now, openldap won't build with 4.3 and defaults to 4.6 so I need to
> migrate my data, and I would like to migrate my cyrus-imapd also to a
> newer version of BDB.
>
> Are there any tools or tricks for doing this?
>
> The BDB v4.4 port refers to a compatibility page maintained at
> sleepycat, but this is now redirected to Oracle and I find no such
> information. Any page listing the db file compatibility?

The big page @ oracle is here:


Additional info and details:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=470084
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Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

[Erik Osterholm]

On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:03:06AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >> ...
> >> Even at first post i wrote that i'm not FreeBSD owners and they will
> >> decide.
> >
> > We're all human.  The potential sponsors might have missed the line
> > where you said that you were not an owner.
> 
> this way - nobody should write anyone. there is always a line that missed 
> - completely changes a sense of sentence.
 
I'm sure you know that this is an absurd proposition.


> >> Do you really mean i have enough power to just dumb any sponsors
> >> (potential, not "potential") by writing a post on public mailing
> >> list?
> >
> > Any person might look at people in the community and decide that
> > they don't want to be a part of that community after all.  That's
> > why it would be nice if everyone could be courteous and helpful.
> >
> > I'm not specifically referring to you, Mr. Puchar.  I'm talking
> > about the general case.
> 
> You are right. But do you try to say that we should think about
> consequences for potential sponsoring every word we say?!
> 
> Is FreeBSD FREE SOFTWARE or commercial product that's selling some
> way?
> 
> If first - then we should not care how much more/less money people
> will pay as a gift every time we post.
> 
> If second - then please Owners declare it clearly and just add
> statement about this.

Isn't there a middle-ground?  Where we can care about how we present
ourselves, yet we do not feel beholden to the possible sponsors?

A good example would be to always respond kindly and appropriately,
yet not yield to demands made on us by others.

> Anyway - Do users of any commercial product support list must think
> if their words will lower the selling of the product? i don't think
> so.

They probably care less about the product.  I personally want FreeBSD
to succeed because it is, in many ways, superior to all of the
alternatives.  As such, I hope that when I discuss it, I present it in
a good light.  For example, if someone asks me, "How do you do  in
FreeBSD?", I rarely suggest that the go read the fine manual.
 
 
> But if i'm not right - please add on FreeBSD webpage/mailing list
> info
> 
> "Every sentence that can potentially lower the income or core team
> are punished with 10 lashes. Erik Osterholm will be the executor".

More absurdity.

Erik
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Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources

[Wojciech Puchar]

lot of searching and have found others with similar problems, but no 
solutions.


  named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
  enough free resources
  named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
  enough free resources
  named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
  enough free resources
  named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
  enough free resources
  named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
  enough free resources


quite misleading message, but the problem is that named want to send UDP 
packet and get's error from kernel.



possible reasons
- your firewall rules are the cause - check it.
- your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case)
- the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded.

i experienced all 3 cases. last is of course easiest to detect.



Other messages on this subject suggest a shortage of mbuffs of an issue with


no you are fine with mbufs, memory etc..
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Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

[Wojciech Puchar]

Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they
don't want to be a part of that community after all.  That's why it


Just reread this and, ... don't you think it's quite like a good filter?

I don't talk about sponsors, but a new potential users.

If someone needs good unix, he/she will try it and join us. As i said 
before if he/she agrees with maillist users personal opinions doesn't 
matter at all. Rather if you can get answer to questions about FreeBSD.

You can, even easier if some moderation would be present here.

If someone needs to "feel good", "feel the spirit" instead of good 
software etc... Let's better use Ubuntu or whatever.


Some people may want both, but well you can't have everything. It's not 
possible to everyone will agree with everyone on mailing list, and with 
every potential new user.


This keeps the system's quality high.
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named: error sending response: not enough free resources

[Chris St Denis]

I occasionally get named errors like these in my messages log. I've done 
a lot of searching and have found others with similar problems, but no 
solutions.


   named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
   enough free resources
   named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
   enough free resources
   named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
   enough free resources
   named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
   enough free resources
   named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not
   enough free resources

System isn't particularly heavily loaded. Load averages around 0.5, cpu 
averages about 90% idle, not swapping much.


Other messages on this subject suggest a shortage of mbuffs of an issue 
with the nic driver (the item I read was complaining about fxp, but I 
have em) so here is the related info.


   eureka# uname -a
   FreeBSD eureka 6.3-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p1 #1: Mon Feb 25
   08:17:08 PST 2008 cstde...@eureka:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/EUREKA  i386

   eureka# named -v
   BIND 9.3.4-P1

   eureka# ifconfig em1
   em1: flags=8843 mtu 1500
   options=1b
   *IPs removed*
   ether 00:30:48:94:0a:31
   media: Ethernet 10baseT/UTP 
   status: active


   eureka# netstat -m
   1240/2165/3405 mbufs in use (current/cache/total)
   1216/1290/2506/25600 mbuf clusters in use (current/cache/total/max)
   1216/150 mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use
   (current/cache)
   0/0/0/0 4k (page size) jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max)
   0/0/0/0 9k jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max)
   0/0/0/0 16k jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max)
   2742K/3121K/5863K bytes allocated to network (current/cache/total)
   0/0/0 requests for mbufs denied (mbufs/clusters/mbuf+clusters)
   0/0/0 requests for jumbo clusters denied (4k/9k/16k)
   8/430/6656 sfbufs in use (current/peak/max)
   0 requests for sfbufs denied
   0 requests for sfbufs delayed
   999635 requests for I/O initiated by sendfile
   276104 calls to protocol drain routines


How do I fix this?


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Programmer
SmarttNet (www.smartt.com)
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Re: Intel NIC issues

[Tim Judd]

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Erik Trulsson wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 09:56:01PM +0100, Graeme Dargie wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok lets not go to war over this I just need some advice.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a 1u rack system that has one of these motherboards
> > http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/E7501/X5DPR-iG2+.cfm
>
> Are you *sure* that you actually have that particular motherboard?
>
> As you can see if you look through their product listings
> ( http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon1333/#e7501 )
> Supermicro has
> several other similar models, some of which are equipped with one Gigabit
> NIC and one 100Mbit NIC much like you seem to have..
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Now according to where I got the server and that page it is supposed to
> > have dual gigabit nics on board.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dmesg shows the following
> >
> >
> >
> > em0:  port 0x3000-0x301f mem
> > 0xfc22-0xfc23,0xfc20-0xfc21 irq 31 at device 4.0 on pci3
> >
> > em0: [FILTER]
> >
> > em0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f2
> >
> >
> >
> > fxp0:  port 0x4400-0x443f mem
> > 0xfc321000-0xfc321fff,0xfc30-0xfc31 irq 17 at device 2.0 on pci4
> >
> > miibus0:  on fxp0
> >
> > inphy0:  PHY 1 on miibus0
> >
> > inphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
> >
> > fxp0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f3
> >
> > fxp0: [ITHREAD]
> >
> >
> > Now for reasons I can not fathom, one nic is showing just fine and the
> > other is using a different driver and only speeds of upto 100mbs.
>
> The obvious reason is that there is two different ethernet controllers
> on that board - one Gigabit and one 100Mbit.
>
> It is worth noting that according to the above, they are found on different
> PCI-buses, while the dual-gigabit controller you thought you had is a
> single
> chip where obviously both ports would be connected to the same bus.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I have tried both 7.1 and 7.2 So is the information on the board wrong
> > or is there something I am missing.
>
> Most likely you have a different motherboard than you think you have.
> The *complete* dmesg output as well as the output of 'pciconf -lv' might
> be useful in determining what you actually have. (Opening the box and
> checking for any useful labels on the motherboard can also of course be
> useful, but is not something we can help you doing.)
>


Using kenv smbios.system.product   might be a good indication of what you
have too.

Good luck.  Nothing like troubleshooting a piece of hardware from remote.
:)
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Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

[Erik Osterholm]

On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 11:20:23PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >> just added option to pay by instalments
> >
> > The original poster several days ago suggested installments.  His
> > original post suggested $50-$100/month.  That is $600-$1200/year.
> > You repeatedly said that he would need to "add two zeros".  Adding
> > "two zeros" would be $60,000 - $120,000/year.
> 
> Yes - i missed this "monthly" and sorry for this.
> ... 
> Even at first post i wrote that i'm not FreeBSD owners and they will 
> decide.

We're all human.  The potential sponsors might have missed the line
where you said that you were not an owner.

Just as you missed the bit where they were interested in monthly
contributions.


> Do you really mean i have enough power to just dumb any sponsors 
> (potential, not "potential") by writing a post on public mailing
> list?

Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they
don't want to be a part of that community after all.  That's why it
would be nice if everyone could be courteous and helpful.

I'm not specifically referring to you, Mr. Puchar.  I'm talking about
the general case.  Like it or not, people who post on a mailing list
or forum of an open source project often make or break the project and
influence people's decisions to use support the project.  Ubuntu's
success is credited, in part, to the wonderful community.

Erik
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Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

[Chris Rees]

2009/6/2 Wojciech Puchar :
...
>>
>>> Do you really mean i have enough power to just dumb any sponsors
>>> (potential, not "potential") by writing a post on public mailing
>>> list?
>>
>> Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they
>> don't want to be a part of that community after all.  That's why it
>> would be nice if everyone could be courteous and helpful.
>>
>> I'm not specifically referring to you, Mr. Puchar.  I'm talking about
>> the general case.
>
> You are right. But do you try to say that we should think about consequences
> for potential sponsoring every word we say?!
>
> Is FreeBSD FREE SOFTWARE or commercial product that's selling some way?
>
> If first - then we should not care how much more/less money people will pay
> as a gift every time we post.
>
> If second - then please Owners declare it clearly and just add statement
> about this.
>
> Anyway - Do users of any commercial product support list must think if their
> words will lower the selling of the product? i don't think so.
>
>
> But if i'm not right - please add on FreeBSD webpage/mailing list info
>
> "Every sentence that can potentially lower the income or core team are
> punished with 10 lashes. Erik Osterholm will be the executor".
>

Or, you could see from the attitude of the users that they don't
deserve your hard earned cash, and can carry on using an underfunded
operating system TO MAKE MONEY. Yes, that's you. I bet you don't talk
to YOUR customers like that.

Chris



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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list?
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RE: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD?

[Gary Gatten]

Surely there's a native Oracle SQL or ODBC client in the ports
collection.  Have you checked there?

-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Martin
McCormick
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:59 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD?

The Subject is most of the question. We will need to query an
Oracle 10 data base and manipulate data. Is this presently
possible under FreeBSD?

Thank you.


Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group
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Re: Intel NIC issues

[Erik Trulsson]

On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 09:56:01PM +0100, Graeme Dargie wrote:
> Hi all
> 
>  
> 
> Ok lets not go to war over this I just need some advice.
> 
>  
> 
> I have a 1u rack system that has one of these motherboards
> http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/E7501/X5DPR-iG2+.cfm

Are you *sure* that you actually have that particular motherboard?

As you can see if you look through their product listings
( http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon1333/#e7501 ) Supermicro 
has
several other similar models, some of which are equipped with one Gigabit
NIC and one 100Mbit NIC much like you seem to have..

> 
>  
> 
> Now according to where I got the server and that page it is supposed to
> have dual gigabit nics on board.
> 
>  
> 
> Dmesg shows the following
> 
>  
> 
> em0:  port 0x3000-0x301f mem
> 0xfc22-0xfc23,0xfc20-0xfc21 irq 31 at device 4.0 on pci3
> 
> em0: [FILTER]
> 
> em0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f2
> 
>  
> 
> fxp0:  port 0x4400-0x443f mem
> 0xfc321000-0xfc321fff,0xfc30-0xfc31 irq 17 at device 2.0 on pci4
> 
> miibus0:  on fxp0
> 
> inphy0:  PHY 1 on miibus0
> 
> inphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
> 
> fxp0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f3
> 
> fxp0: [ITHREAD]
> 
> 
> Now for reasons I can not fathom, one nic is showing just fine and the
> other is using a different driver and only speeds of upto 100mbs.

The obvious reason is that there is two different ethernet controllers
on that board - one Gigabit and one 100Mbit.

It is worth noting that according to the above, they are found on different
PCI-buses, while the dual-gigabit controller you thought you had is a single
chip where obviously both ports would be connected to the same bus.

> 
>  
> 
> I have tried both 7.1 and 7.2 So is the information on the board wrong
> or is there something I am missing.

Most likely you have a different motherboard than you think you have.
The *complete* dmesg output as well as the output of 'pciconf -lv' might
be useful in determining what you actually have. (Opening the box and
checking for any useful labels on the motherboard can also of course be
useful, but is not something we can help you doing.)



-- 

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ertr1...@student.uu.se
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Re: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD?

[Wojciech Puchar]

The Subject is most of the question. We will need to query an
Oracle 10 data base and manipulate data. Is this presently
possible under FreeBSD?


grep -i oracle /usr/ports/INDEX|cut -b 1-75|more
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Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

[Wojciech Puchar]

...
Even at first post i wrote that i'm not FreeBSD owners and they will
decide.


We're all human.  The potential sponsors might have missed the line
where you said that you were not an owner.


this way - nobody should write anyone. there is always a line that missed 
- completely changes a sense of sentence.




Just as you missed the bit where they were interested in monthly
contributions.


yes.





Do you really mean i have enough power to just dumb any sponsors
(potential, not "potential") by writing a post on public mailing
list?


Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they
don't want to be a part of that community after all.  That's why it
would be nice if everyone could be courteous and helpful.

I'm not specifically referring to you, Mr. Puchar.  I'm talking about
the general case.


You are right. But do you try to say that we should think about 
consequences for potential sponsoring every word we say?!


Is FreeBSD FREE SOFTWARE or commercial product that's selling some way?

If first - then we should not care how much more/less money people will 
pay as a gift every time we post.


If second - then please Owners declare it clearly and just add statement 
about this.


Anyway - Do users of any commercial product support list must think if 
their words will lower the selling of the product? i don't think so.



But if i'm not right - please add on FreeBSD webpage/mailing list info

"Every sentence that can potentially lower the income or core team are 
punished with 10 lashes. Erik Osterholm will be the executor".



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Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD?

[Martin McCormick]

The Subject is most of the question. We will need to query an
Oracle 10 data base and manipulate data. Is this presently
possible under FreeBSD?

Thank you.


Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group
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Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

[Wojciech Puchar]

just added option to pay by instalments


The original poster several days ago suggested installments.  His original post
suggested $50-$100/month.  That is $600-$1200/year.  You repeatedly said that he
would need to "add two zeros".  Adding "two zeros" would be $60,000 - 
$120,000/year.


Yes - i missed this "monthly" and sorry for this.


Instead of the original poster's range of $50-$100/month, the minimum amount 
needed
for a link is $417/month.  A modest increase over what the original poster 
suggested,
not 100 times what the original poster suggested as you repeatedly stated.


It would be very nice for people to just say about this at the beginning.

All i suggested was that 5-10 thousands are needed to get real advert on 
main site, which i repeated lots of times. Finally it was confirmed!


Wouldn't be much easier to just tell this instead of flamewars, attacks 
and using me to relieve one's personal mental problems?


Not for me, as i don't care about such kind of answers, but for everyone 
else reading this?


Or - completete nonsense - talking about lost opportunity 
of sponsoring.


Do you really mean i have enough power to just dumb any sponsors 
(potential, not "potential") by writing a post on public mailing list?


Even at first post i wrote that i'm not FreeBSD owners and they will 
decide.


Maybe if i would be the man that gives 5$ PER YEAR i would have such a 
power. But i rather think not.

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Re: Intel NIC issues

[Wojciech Puchar]

em0:  port 0x3000-0x301f mem
0xfc22-0xfc23,0xfc20-0xfc21 irq 31 at device 4.0 on pci3

em0: [FILTER]

em0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f2
fxp0:  port 0x4400-0x443f mem
0xfc321000-0xfc321fff,0xfc30-0xfc31 irq 17 at device 2.0 on pci4

miibus0:  on fxp0

inphy0:  PHY 1 on miibus0

inphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto

fxp0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f3

fxp0: [ITHREAD]
I have tried both 7.1 and 7.2 So is the information on the board wrong
or is there something I am missing.


If that board would be really 2*1000Mbps, for sure producer would use 2 
the same chips. Then - it's impossible that FreeBSD would detect one chip 
properly and other - the same - improperly.


It's just wrong info.
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Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

[Peter Giessel]

On Tuesday, June 02, 2009, at 12:44PM, "Wojciech Puchar" 
 wrote:
>>> You believe he will pay for 4 years?
>>>
>>
>> No... he is suggesting quadrupling the amount.
>
>so we end in what i suggested in the beginning - 5-10 thousands.
>just added option to pay by instalments

The original poster several days ago suggested installments.  His original post
suggested $50-$100/month.  That is $600-$1200/year.  You repeatedly said that he
would need to "add two zeros".  Adding "two zeros" would be $60,000 - 
$120,000/year.

This is not accurate.  Adding less than one zero would be more than sufficient 
to
obtain a link.

Instead of the original poster's range of $50-$100/month, the minimum amount 
needed
for a link is $417/month.  A modest increase over what the original poster 
suggested,
not 100 times what the original poster suggested as you repeatedly stated.
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Intel NIC issues

[Graeme Dargie]

Hi all

 

Ok lets not go to war over this I just need some advice.

 

I have a 1u rack system that has one of these motherboards
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/E7501/X5DPR-iG2+.cfm

 

Now according to where I got the server and that page it is supposed to
have dual gigabit nics on board.

 

Dmesg shows the following

 

em0:  port 0x3000-0x301f mem
0xfc22-0xfc23,0xfc20-0xfc21 irq 31 at device 4.0 on pci3

em0: [FILTER]

em0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f2

 

fxp0:  port 0x4400-0x443f mem
0xfc321000-0xfc321fff,0xfc30-0xfc31 irq 17 at device 2.0 on pci4

miibus0:  on fxp0

inphy0:  PHY 1 on miibus0

inphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto

fxp0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f3

fxp0: [ITHREAD]

 

 

Now for reasons I can not fathom, one nic is showing just fine and the
other is using a different driver and only speeds of upto 100mbs.

 

I have tried both 7.1 and 7.2 So is the information on the board wrong
or is there something I am missing.

 

Regards

 

Graeme

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Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

[Wojciech Puchar]

You believe he will pay for 4 years?



No... he is suggesting quadrupling the amount.


so we end in what i suggested in the beginning - 5-10 thousands.
just added option to pay by instalments

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mailman-with-htdig 2.1.12 does not build

[Beat Siegenthaler]

Hi,

the Makefile try to get the patches for 2.2.12, but the newest from
www.openinfo.co.uk are still 2.1.11


=> indexing-2.1.12-0.1.patch.gz doesn't seem to exist in
/usr/ports/distfiles/mailman.
=> Attempting to fetch from http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mm/patches/444879/.
fetch:
http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mm/patches/444879/indexing-2.1.12-0.1.patch.gz:
Not Found
=> Attempting to fetch from
ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/mailman/.
fetch:
ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/mailman/indexing-2.1.12-0.1.patch.gz:
File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access)
=> Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this
=> port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/mailman and try again.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mailman.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mailman.

Maintainer does not answer.

My three options are:
- Wait
- Build without htdig
- Manually change Makefile for 2.1.12

Some suggestions ?

Kind regards,
Beat

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Re: cyrus-imapd spawning multiple processes

[Erik Norgaard]

Jeff Laine wrote:

The troublemaker is the cyrus. It starts and opens it's sockets, but whenever
I try to establish a connection to pop3 or imap ports (i.e. via telnet or cyradm) 
cyrus goes nuts and spawns child processes in endless manner, trashing logs with this:



tail /var/log/debug.log


Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[49269]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d
Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49269 exited, status 1
Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[49270]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d
Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49270 exited, status 1
Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[49271]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d
Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49271 exited, status 1
Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[49272]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d
Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49272 exited, status 1
Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[49281]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d
Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49281 exited, status 1
...

...until I stop the master process.


It seems that when you try to connect with pop3 a child process is 
spawned as it should, but it dies unexpectedly so a new is spawned. 
Could it be something as simple as permissions to access the mailbox files?


Rather than relying on log files, try to launch the master manually with 
the -D flag, it may give you a more verbose output.



I tried both cyrus-imapd23 and 22 with default configurations but it
gives the same problem every time.

I have similar configuration on 6.4-RELEASE without such troubles.


Similar but not the same? Sounds like you should review again your 
config files, also, the versions of cyrus-imapd on your working 
installation, is that the same as the new one? Consider posting your 
configs in next post.



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Re: Open_Source

[Chris Rees]

2009/6/2 Wojciech Puchar :
>>
>> Multiple linux/bsd distributions: (RHEL, SuSE, FreeBSD + commercial
>> UNIX as AIX)
>> Monitoring Application:(Cacti, Nagios, MRTG)
>> Backup utility:(rsync, tar, mondo)
>> Content Management system:(Jommla, Durpal)
>> Virtualization:(Wine)
>
> wine is virtualization?
>

You're right, wine is NOT virtualization (sic).

It merely implements the 'Windows' API to make it available for
'Windows' programs. There is no 'translation' or 'emulation'.

This is why Wine is an acronym: Wine Is Not an Emulator.

Chris


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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list?
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Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

[Chris Rees]

2009/6/2 Wojciech Puchar :
>> I can't resist.  The lack of math is killing me:
>>
>> ONE zero.  ONE (1) ONE zero.
>>
>> 12 months/year * 50/month = $600/year
>> 12 months/year * 100/month = $1200/year
>>
>> $600/year / $5000/year = 0.12
>> $1200/year / $5000/year = 0.24 (or about a quarter of what is needed
>> for a link).
>>
>> $417/month = $5004/year.
>
> You believe he will pay for 4 years?
>

No... he is suggesting quadrupling the amount.

Big clue:

>> $417/month = $5004/year.

Chris



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Re: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD))

[Jerry]

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:44:01 -0500
"Gary Gatten"  wrote:

>My Mom always told me if you ignore things long enough they'll go away,
>so I've been trying to do that with several of these infinite mutating
>threads.  That quote though is some funny $hit!  I'm gonna print it out
>on a plotter and hang it in my cube!

Yes, it is from the Jan. 1977 - from The Face of Evil episode, written
by Chris Boucher. I have it hanging in my office.


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Re: top view different screens

[RW]

On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:50:34 +0100
Matthew Seaman  wrote:

> Momchil Ivanov wrote:
> 
> > how can I view the second and third screens in top? Is it possible?
> 
> Ah, now for that you'ld have to use middle(1) and bottom(1),
> Unfortunately no one has written them yet...
> 
> Seriously though: you can run top in an xterm and make the window as
> tall as you can bear, you can filter the top output by username, turn
> the display of idle processes on or off, sort the output order by any
> of the columns shown, or else you can forget top(1) entirely and use
> ps(1) to examine the whole process list.

or you can do something like

top 999 |less  

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Re: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD))

[Wojciech Puchar]

This thread is starting to remind me of a quote:

   "You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in
   common.  They don't alter their views to fit the facts.  They
   alter the facts to fit the views, which can be uncomfortable if
   you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering."

if you say i alter the facts just tell me about "lost opportunity" of 
sponsoring - did i prevent anyhow FreeBSD owners to talk to this 
"potential sponsor" to talk with him?


Maybe they even did. But it doesn't change my opinion about it's mail 
being something close to spam. that's all.


And many people's problem here is that they just can't accept other people 
right to show their opinion. If it's too different from their then it's 
important that thread is off-topic. If it's not - it's fine.


That's why i opted (and still do) for moderation. Lets eliminate ALL 
off-topic thread.


If not - then please accept every people right to present their opinion.
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cyrus-imapd spawning multiple processes

[Jeff Laine]

Hello, list.

I'm trying to set up cyrus-imapd on my host running FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE.

The troublemaker is the cyrus. It starts and opens it's sockets, but whenever
I try to establish a connection to pop3 or imap ports (i.e. via telnet or 
cyradm) 
cyrus goes nuts and spawns child processes in endless manner, trashing logs 
with this:

>tail /var/log/debug.log

Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[49269]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d
Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49269 exited, status 1
Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[49270]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d
Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49270 exited, status 1
Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[49271]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d
Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49271 exited, status 1
Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[49272]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d
Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49272 exited, status 1
Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[49281]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d
Jun  2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49281 exited, status 1
...

...until I stop the master process.


I tried both cyrus-imapd23 and 22 with default configurations but it
gives the same problem every time.

I have similar configuration on 6.4-RELEASE without such troubles.


Any advices would be much appreciated.


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RE: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD))

[Gary Gatten]

My Mom always told me if you ignore things long enough they'll go away,
so I've been trying to do that with several of these infinite mutating
threads.  That quote though is some funny $hit!  I'm gonna print it out
on a plotter and hang it in my cube!

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On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:48:40PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

>> $417/month = $5004/year.
>
> You believe he will pay for 4 years?

This thread is starting to remind me of a quote:

"You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in
common.  They don't alter their views to fit the facts.  They
alter the facts to fit the views, which can be uncomfortable if
you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering."

-- Doctor Who


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Re: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD))

[Kevin Monceaux]

On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:48:40PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

>> $417/month = $5004/year.
>
> You believe he will pay for 4 years?

This thread is starting to remind me of a quote:

"You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in
common.  They don't alter their views to fit the facts.  They
alter the facts to fit the views, which can be uncomfortable if
you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering."

-- Doctor Who


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Re: Greylisting and new posters

[Mel Flynn]

On Saturday 30 May 2009 21:09:45 Chuck Robey wrote:

> Probably, the only thing that really might need
> another word or two is to make the services offered by FreeBSD-test list
> better advertised (it does still exist, right?)  People can post all the
> test mail they want to that list.

Nice story but don't see how it's relevant. FreeBSD greylisting is not server 
wide, but per destination, so the test list doesn't come into view even for 
"pre-greylisting".
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Re: problem on a MX sendmail machine

[Mel Flynn]

On Monday 01 June 2009 11:33:59 RJ45 wrote:
> hello I have a FreeBSD machine
>
> FreeBSD infngw.infn.it 7.0-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD
>
> being a MX record with high loads.
> I often ahve this message on logs right before the machien locks up.
> any hints ?
> thank you
>
> swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 482607, size: 61440

a) Check disk connectivity and health
b) Don't let your mailserver swap:
   - add memory and/or
   - divide load over multiple machine
c) Limit disk io if you cannot stop occasional swaps:
   - mailstore on different physical disk then queue, no swap on this disk
   - memory disk for logs
   - switch to Maildir if using mbox

Mailservers are particularly bad for swapping as every new request will 100% 
result in one disk write (the logfile) and possible more (header file, queue 
body).
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Re: top view different screens

[Mel Flynn]

On Tuesday 02 June 2009 07:50:34 Matthew Seaman wrote:
> Momchil Ivanov wrote:
> > how can I view the second and third screens in top? Is it possible?
>
> Ah, now for that you'ld have to use middle(1) and bottom(1),  Unfortunately
> no one has written them yet...
>
> Seriously though: you can run top in an xterm and make the window as tall
> as you can bear, you can filter the top output by username, turn the
> display of idle processes on or off, sort the output order by any of the
> columns shown, or else you can forget top(1) entirely and use ps(1) to
> examine the whole process list.

I'd still appreciate the feature myself. sysutils/pftop has a pager, granted 
it's a bit more important there, but sometimes (especially on 80x25 consoles 
with your colo's airco breathing down your neck) it's convenient.

You can work around it, by dumping output to file and loading that in your 
favorite editor.
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Re: Open_Source

[Wojciech Puchar]

Multiple linux/bsd distributions: (RHEL, SuSE, FreeBSD + commercial
UNIX as AIX)
Monitoring Application:(Cacti, Nagios, MRTG)
Backup utility:(rsync, tar, mondo)
Content Management system:(Jommla, Durpal)
Virtualization:(Wine)


wine is virtualization?

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Re: Open_Source

[madunix]

in my case i have the following:

Multiple linux/bsd distributions: (RHEL, SuSE, FreeBSD + commercial
UNIX as AIX)
Monitoring Application:(Cacti, Nagios, MRTG)
Backup utility:(rsync, tar, mondo)
Content Management system:(Jommla, Durpal)
Virtualization:(Wine)
Web Server:(Apache)
Web filtering:(Squid, dansgaurdian + blacklist)
Mail System:(Qmail, Postfix, sendmail)
DB:(MySQL)
Scripting:(Shell/bash,Perl,PHP)
Servers: IBM SystemX and SystemP, DELL
SAN storage: EMC, IBM DS8000

madunix

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Steve Bertrand  wrote:
> madunix wrote:
>> Dear Experts,
>>
>> I want to know out of your experience people the following,
>
>> 1- How open source served your businesses  requirements?
>
> Our business would likely not exist if it weren't for Open Source
> (and/or free) software. Other than our Windows workstations, a few
> Windows servers, Cisco IOS and a few other specifics here-and-there, we
> are all open source.
>
> Everything is FreeBSD.
>
>> 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source?
>
> Pretty much everything:
>
> - routers (Quagga BGP, OSPF etc)
> - RADIUS
> - web servers
> - email servers
> - database servers
> - backup (AMANDA)
> - infrastructure config management (RANCID)
> - performance graphing (MRTG)
> - performance testing (iperf etc)
> - troubleshooting (tcpdump, wireshark etc)
> - traffic engineering (ipfw etc)
> - communications (firefox, thunderbird)
> - and hundreds more
>
>> 3- General experience with Open Source technology?
>
> Very, very good. I find though that the more you give, the more you get out.
>
> In our environment, things are very dynamic, and very custom. We can
> change software live-time to make it do what we need it to do. Being
> able to look into the source code makes it very easy to write custom
> applications that 'hook in' to existing ones.
>
> Steve
>
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Re: a binary package update

[Polytropon]

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 06:15:37 -0700 (PDT), Martin Badie  
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have package-1.0  installed and want to update to package-2.0
> using package-2.0.tbz package file. This binary package is at
> /var/tmp/packages/All. I have no /usr/ports directory
> 
> export PKG_PATH=/var/tmp/packages/All
> export PKG_FETCH=/usr/bin/false 
> 
> portupgrade -PP postgresql-server
> 
> ** Port directory not found: databases/postgresql83-server
> ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed)
> - databases/postgresql83-server (port directory error)
> 
> Do I need to have /usr/ports/ installed on that system?

If you want to use portupgrade - yes, I think so.



> I just want to upgrade to package-2.0.tbz without having
> anything related to Ports ( /usr/ports) on my systems? Just
> like a rpm -Uhv package-2.0.rpm on  Linux. Can someone
> enlighten me on how to do that with portupgrade?

As far as I understand, not possible. Portupgrade is not
the tool to do this.



> Or maybe with another tool on FreeBSD?

Yes, as I said, pkg_add is used for this. You can even use
it to overwrite the installed package (pkg_add -f).

In order to achieve what I thought you intend to do, use
the script I attached to you. It will download all the
packages required. Then, transfer them to the other machine,
and use pkg_add with the file name of the package you want
to install. It will usually overwrite everything with the
"wrong" version number that still does exist.





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Re: Open_Source

[Wojciech Puchar]

There will always be both of them. And that's OK as long as you can choose.


Yes, I agree.

I use Windows as my workstation, because there are some specific
applications that require Windows to run.


You don't have to explain - you use because you want to :) that's all.


Being able to modify software to fit our ever changing environment is
key, and so is knowing that (for the most part), the ability is there to
communicate directly with the developers.

Another side-effect of using open source software is that over time, you
learn how things *really* work. For instance, if you have garnered up


But this is not because of open source. Some closed source too - allows 
you or even motivates to understand things. And some open source apps - 
try to prevent you from understanding anything.


It's depend of certain product, NOT only the fact of source availability.


Speaking of logging, open source applications do log...properly.


Depends of program. There are as much open source crap as closed source.
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Re: Open_Source

[Wojciech Puchar]

But i'm not agains micro-soft. If someone want to pay and be
controlled - his problem.

Today micro-soft doesn't even hide with this!! So it's clear - you pay big
brother and he does well the job he's paid for!


I am, -- on my machines.


but you want to be the owner of your computer. But most people - as they 
acts show - prefer to be owned. And micro-soft (and others) just give what 
they want.


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Re: Open_Source

[Steve Bertrand]

Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>> The only rationale I've heard for closed source is that somebody
>> could
>> steal the idea.
> 
> There will always be both of them. And that's OK as long as you can choose.

Yes, I agree.

I use Windows as my workstation, because there are some specific
applications that require Windows to run. The rest of the applications
on my workstation are open source win32 apps.

Visio is the main one. I've been told that there are alternatives to
Visio that will run on *nix. However, the alternatives either:

- take more time (time * salary) to get configured than the cost of the
software
- take more time (time * salary) to familiarize myself with the
alternative than the cost of the software
- don't provide certain functionality that I need

ISPs are very dynamic in nature. From my experience in both the
enterprise and ISP environments, enterprise need to stay focused on
stability, whereas the ISP needs to be more adaptive to new technologies.

In the enterprise, I've found that it is by far more cost effective to
run almost exclusively on commercial software. The number of IT staff is
kept to a minimum, and let's face it, it's easier/cheaper to find an
employee with a Windows background than it is someone who has extensive
real-world open source operations experience.

Being able to modify software to fit our ever changing environment is
key, and so is knowing that (for the most part), the ability is there to
communicate directly with the developers.

Another side-effect of using open source software is that over time, you
learn how things *really* work. For instance, if you have garnered up
experience running an MTA on FreeBSD (and understand the logs etc), you
will undoubtedly be able to fudge your way through troubleshooting an
Exchange server, it will just take a bit of time to know where to click.
The reverse is not really true (from my experience).

Speaking of logging, open source applications do log...properly.

Steve


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Re: Open_Source

[Jerry McAllister]

On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:44:46PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

> >>I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for
> >>other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc.
> >
> >YES!This is the biggest of the three things I have against MS
> >and one of the main reasons for using FreeBSD and other Open Source
> >software as much as possible.
> 
> But i'm not agains micro-soft. If someone want to pay and be
> controlled - his problem.
> 
> Today micro-soft doesn't even hide with this!! So it's clear - you pay big 
> brother and he does well the job he's paid for!

I am, -- on my machines.
What someone else does is there problem unless it spreads to
my stuff.

> >(ps. The other two are the quality of MS systems and MS business practices)
> 
> I didn't mean microsoft but any commercial software.

I know, but I picked that as my example.

jerry

> 
> Actually i just switched from opera to firefox for similar reasons.
> 
> I DO NOT say that opera doing such things, but i'm not sure it does not.
> 
> Every minute or so when i use opera is starts lots of disk I/O and slows 
> down. It do so no matter if i'm loading some pages or do just nothing.
> 
> It wasn't happening with older versions, but with that
> opera-9.64.20090302
> 
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Re: Open_Source

[Wojciech Puchar]

other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc.


YES!This is the biggest of the three things I have against MS
and one of the main reasons for using FreeBSD and other Open Source
software as much as possible.


I think we all forget about third case, open and closed source being first 
two.


The case when you PAY for the product, you are not allowed to copy it to 
others but you do get a source.


It was common years ago with software like unix. And still exist just it's 
not common.



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Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

[Wojciech Puchar]

I can't resist.  The lack of math is killing me:

ONE zero.  ONE (1) ONE zero.

12 months/year * 50/month = $600/year
12 months/year * 100/month = $1200/year

$600/year / $5000/year = 0.12
$1200/year / $5000/year = 0.24 (or about a quarter of what is needed
for a link).

$417/month = $5004/year.


You believe he will pay for 4 years?


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Re: Open_Source

[Wojciech Puchar]

The only rationale I've heard for closed source is that somebody could
steal the idea.


There will always be both of them. And that's OK as long as you can 
choose.

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Re: Open_Source

[Wojciech Puchar]

I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for
other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc.


YES!This is the biggest of the three things I have against MS
and one of the main reasons for using FreeBSD and other Open Source
software as much as possible.


But i'm not agains micro-soft. If someone want to pay and be
controlled - his problem.

Today micro-soft doesn't even hide with this!! So it's clear - you pay big 
brother and he does well the job he's paid for!



(ps. The other two are the quality of MS systems and MS business practices)


I didn't mean microsoft but any commercial software.

Actually i just switched from opera to firefox for similar reasons.

I DO NOT say that opera doing such things, but i'm not sure it does not.

Every minute or so when i use opera is starts lots of disk I/O and slows 
down. It do so no matter if i'm loading some pages or do just nothing.


It wasn't happening with older versions, but with that
opera-9.64.20090302

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Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

[Peter Giessel]

 
On Tuesday, June 02, 2009, at 07:23AM, "Wojciech Puchar" 
 wrote:
>>
>> http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml
>>
>> So, instead of being pissed on, they might have been persuaded to pay a 
>> little
>> more, get their link and help the project as a whole.
>
>That's what i told - add two zeroes to be advertised.

I can't resist.  The lack of math is killing me:

ONE zero.  ONE (1) ONE zero.

12 months/year * 50/month = $600/year
12 months/year * 100/month = $1200/year

$600/year / $5000/year = 0.12
$1200/year / $5000/year = 0.24 (or about a quarter of what is needed
for a link).

$417/month = $5004/year.

>> Missed opportunity.
>>
>sure not.
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Re: pcre

[Bill Moran]

In response to wcl...@dl1.njit.edu:

> I am having problems starting drupal6 on 7.2 freebsd when i try strating
> it on apache20 I get a error mesg that read PCRe boot strap

If English is your second language, you should look to see if there is a
FreeBSD mailing list in your native language.

Cut/pasting the actual error message into your question will also help you
get better assistance.

My guess would be that you don't have the php?-pcre package installed.
You can use pkg_info to check this, however I can't be sure that's your
actual problem from the information you've given.

The documentation on installing/maintaining packages is here:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html

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Re: Open_Source

[Gary Kline]

On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 12:18:09PM -0400, Steve Bertrand wrote:
> madunix wrote:
> > Dear Experts,
> > 
> > I want to know out of your experience people the following,
> 
> > 1- How open source served your businesses  requirements?
> 
> Our business would likely not exist if it weren't for Open Source
> (and/or free) software. Other than our Windows workstations, a few
> Windows servers, Cisco IOS and a few other specifics here-and-there, we
> are all open source.
> 
> Everything is FreeBSD.
> 
> > 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source?
> 
> Pretty much everything:
> 
> - routers (Quagga BGP, OSPF etc)
> - RADIUS
> - web servers
> - email servers
> - database servers
> - backup (AMANDA)
> - infrastructure config management (RANCID)
> - performance graphing (MRTG)
> - performance testing (iperf etc)
> - troubleshooting (tcpdump, wireshark etc)
> - traffic engineering (ipfw etc)
> - communications (firefox, thunderbird)
> - and hundreds more
> 
> > 3- General experience with Open Source technology?
> 
> Very, very good. I find though that the more you give, the more you get out.
> 
> In our environment, things are very dynamic, and very custom. We can
> change software live-time to make it do what we need it to do. Being
> able to look into the source code makes it very easy to write custom
> applications that 'hook in' to existing ones.
> 
> Steve


Yes!  Like Glen (prev post), I occassionally look at the src to see
how something was coded; this gave my own coding abilities a boost
and didn't hurt the original code a whit.   Interesting how muvh we can
learn from one another, isn't it?

The only rationale I've heard for closed source is that somebody could
steal the idea.  Or get a jump on creating a clone.  My experience has
been that EVERY bit of commercial code could be open; people would 
still 
want/need/demand/pay-for *support*.

gary





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Re: HandbooK-Free BSD

[Brent Bloxam]

Rafael E Garcia wrote:

Gentlemen
Please How I can copy the Free BSD Handbook in my computer? Any 
Sugestion will be apreciate.   Thank you Rafael E Garcia




ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/handbook/
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Re: Open_Source

[Jerry McAllister]

On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 05:59:51PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

> >I believe people can get more experience in general with open source
> >technologies than they can with closed source.  The reason is simple:
> >I can look at the code.  I can study it.  I can see what
> >${APPLICATION} is doing, and how the developer designed it.  This, in
> >itself, makes me better at what I do, and better at troubleshooting my
> >own code.
> 
> I would add - with Open Source add it's far smaller (actually close to 
> zero) probability that it doesn't do anything except it's supposed to do.
> 
> I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for 
> other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc.

YES!This is the biggest of the three things I have against MS
and one of the main reasons for using FreeBSD and other Open Source
software as much as possible.

jerry

(ps. The other two are the quality of MS systems and MS business practices)

> 
> If anyone would do this, soon someone else would see it because source 
> code is available for everybody.
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Re: Open_Source

[Steve Bertrand]

madunix wrote:
> Dear Experts,
> 
> I want to know out of your experience people the following,

> 1- How open source served your businesses  requirements?

Our business would likely not exist if it weren't for Open Source
(and/or free) software. Other than our Windows workstations, a few
Windows servers, Cisco IOS and a few other specifics here-and-there, we
are all open source.

Everything is FreeBSD.

> 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source?

Pretty much everything:

- routers (Quagga BGP, OSPF etc)
- RADIUS
- web servers
- email servers
- database servers
- backup (AMANDA)
- infrastructure config management (RANCID)
- performance graphing (MRTG)
- performance testing (iperf etc)
- troubleshooting (tcpdump, wireshark etc)
- traffic engineering (ipfw etc)
- communications (firefox, thunderbird)
- and hundreds more

> 3- General experience with Open Source technology?

Very, very good. I find though that the more you give, the more you get out.

In our environment, things are very dynamic, and very custom. We can
change software live-time to make it do what we need it to do. Being
able to look into the source code makes it very easy to write custom
applications that 'hook in' to existing ones.

Steve


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Re: Open_Source

[Wojciech Puchar]

I believe people can get more experience in general with open source
technologies than they can with closed source.  The reason is simple:
I can look at the code.  I can study it.  I can see what
${APPLICATION} is doing, and how the developer designed it.  This, in
itself, makes me better at what I do, and better at troubleshooting my
own code.


I would add - with Open Source add it's far smaller (actually close to 
zero) probability that it doesn't do anything except it's supposed to do.


I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for 
other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc.


If anyone would do this, soon someone else would see it because source 
code is available for everybody.


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Re: Open_Source

[Wojciech Puchar]

I want to know out of your experience people the following,
1- How open source served your businesses  requirements?


excellent.



2- What kind of application that running on Open Source?


All i needed - do you want a list ?


3- General experience with Open Source technology?


what exactly you want to know?



Your input would be really appreciated.

Thanks
madunix
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Re: Open_Source

[Glen Barber]

Hi,

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:12 AM, madunix  wrote:
> Dear Experts,
>
> I want to know out of your experience people the following,
> 1- How open source served your businesses  requirements?

Allowing extensibility.  Generally, if something needs to be changed,
it _can_ be changed, and usually with minimal overhead.

> 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source?

This is a very vague question.  Do you mean desktop or server
applications?  (I use FreeBSD for both purposes... Hopefully that
answers your question. :) )

> 3- General experience with Open Source technology?
>

I believe people can get more experience in general with open source
technologies than they can with closed source.  The reason is simple:
I can look at the code.  I can study it.  I can see what
${APPLICATION} is doing, and how the developer designed it.  This, in
itself, makes me better at what I do, and better at troubleshooting my
own code.

On the same note, free software enables me to get experience with more
applications without burning through my wallet. :)

> Your input would be really appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> madunix



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Re: Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc43

[Leslie Jensen]

/

I also have this in my /boot/loader.conf but it makes no difference.

kern.maxdsiz="734003200"



Try with this?

kern.dfldsiz="1073741824"
kern.maxdsiz="734003200"

Cheers,
Matti



Unfortunately it did not make any difference. The build error persists.
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Open_Source

[madunix]

Dear Experts,

I want to know out of your experience people the following,
1- How open source served your businesses  requirements?
2- What kind of application that running on Open Source?
3- General experience with Open Source technology?

Your input would be really appreciated.

Thanks
madunix
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pcre

[wclark]

I am having problems starting drupal6 on 7.2 freebsd when i try strating
it on apache20 I get a error mesg that read PCRe boot strap
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Re: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386)

[Glen Barber]

Hi guys,

2009/6/2 Manolis Kiagias :
> Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have the package for openoffice 3.2m49 for the FreeBSD 7.2/amd64
>> available for the languages EN and pt_BR in UTF-8, with
>> full support for cups.
>>
>> If you are interested, I can upload the package (120Mb) in the
>> tinderbox.
>>
>> I think it is interesting for the FreeBSD community, as
>> with this port, FreeBSD is much ahead then the Linux office package
>>
>>  Thanks for your attention,
>>
>>
>> Sergio
>>
>
> Thank you Sergio!
> I currently don't have a suitable machine to run 64bit package builds,
> so my packages are currently limited to the i386 versions.
> If you have enough space and bandwidth to upload this somewhere please
> do. Otherwise, hopefully Glen Barber may be able to assist ;)
>
>

Sergio,

If you need space to host the packages, email me off-list.

Regards,

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Re: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386)

[Wojciech Puchar]

On Tuesday 02 of June 2009 13:01:26 Matthias Apitz wrote:


which works fine, but on quit it crashes while closing the display,

...

I have also this same problem on i386. When closing OO then it produce core
file.

ulimit -c 0
:)

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Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)

[Wojciech Puchar]

http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml

So, instead of being pissed on, they might have been persuaded to pay a little
more, get their link and help the project as a whole.


That's what i told - add two zeroes to be advertised.


Missed opportunity.


sure not.
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Re: IBM x345 Dual 2.8Ghz Xeon poor performance

[Wojciech Puchar]

constantly doing ECC that's why it was damn slow.

anyway - can hardware give any info for OS about how often ECC corrects
errors?

This feels like the right track, I'll run memtest86 on it later tonight.

if i'm right memtest86 will not detect anything as too - all errors get 
corrected.


for example - on your DIMM with 72-bit bus (64+8) one pin is dirty and is 
not connected well. then you'll get a single bit error every few 
reads/writes, and all will be corrected.


If you can disable ECC - do it, and then run memtest so it will detect 
errors.


If you can't, remove all but one DIMM, check if speed improved, if so, 
remove this and put other DIMM etc.. until you'll find what is bad.


Or maybe it will then work fine because it's just contact problem.
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Re: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386)

[Zbigniew Komarnicki]

On Tuesday 02 of June 2009 13:01:26 Matthias Apitz wrote:

> which works fine, but on quit it crashes while closing the display,
...

I have also this same problem on i386. When closing OO then it produce core 
file.
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Re: var socket in random directories

[Chris Rees]

2009/6/2 Nikos Vassiliadis :
> Chris Rees wrote:
>>
>> OK, so does anyone know why I get a socket called 'var' randomly
>> appearing in directories?
>>
>> I always use ls -F, and it turns up as var=, as can be seen in my
>> ports directory.
>>
>> [ch...@amnesiac]~% cd /usr/ports/
>> [ch...@amnesiac]/usr/ports% ls
>> CHANGES         arabic/         finance/        multimedia/     textproc/
>> COPYRIGHT       archivers/      french/         net/            ukrainian/
>> GIDs            astro/          ftp/            net-im/         var=
>> INDEX-7         audio/          games/          net-mgmt/
>> vietnamese/
>> INDEX-7.bz2     benchmarks/     german/         net-p2p/        www/
>> INDEX-7.db      biology/        graphics/       news/           x11/
>> KNOBS           cad/            hebrew/         packages/
>> x11-clocks/
>> LEGAL           chinese/        hungarian/      palm/
>> x11-drivers/
>> MOVED           comms/          irc/            polish/         x11-fm/
>> Makefile        converters/     japanese/       ports-mgmt/     x11-fonts/
>> Mk/             databases/      java/           portuguese/
>> x11-servers/
>> README          deskutils/      korean/         print/
>>  x11-themes/
>> Templates/      devel/          lang/           russian/
>>  x11-toolkits/
>> Tools/          distfiles/      mail/           science/        x11-wm/
>> UIDs            dns/            math/           security/
>> UPDATING        editors/        mbone/          shells/
>> accessibility/  emulators/      misc/           sysutils/
>> [ch...@amnesiac]/usr/ports%
>> [ch...@amnesiac]/usr/ports% uname -a
>> FreeBSD amnesiac.bayofrum.net 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #1: Sun
>> May  3 21:54:38 BST 2009
>> r...@amnesiac.bayofrum.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/AMNESIAC  i386
>> [ch...@amnesiac]/usr/ports%
>>
>> I have an inkling it may be due to openldap, any ideas?
>
> Not a really helpful response, but why openldap(or any other
> program) would create sockets in random directories?
>
>> Any ideas?
>
> You mean you see sockets appear and disappear on their own?
> in random directories?
>
> Maybe sou should do something like "find / -type s" and
> then use stat(1) on the findings and see if birth timestamp
> ring any bells.
>
> Just a stub in the dark, Nikos
>

[ch...@amnesiac]/usr/ports/print/lyx16% stat /usr/local/lib/webmin/init/var

78 566252 srwxrwxrwx 1 root bin 0 0 "May  5 11:04:51 2009" "May  5
11:04:51 2009" "May  5 11:04:51 2009" "May  5 11:04:51 2009" 4096 0 0
/usr/local/lib/webmin/init/var

Interesting, seems to be the fault of webmin. I'll investigate further, thanks.

Chris

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