Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??

[Polytropon]

On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 15:54:46 -0700, Chip Camden  
wrote:
> What does KDE or GNOME buy you anyway?  Besides overhead.

Bloat. :-)




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Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??

[Bruce Cran]

On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 15:54:46 -0700
Chip Camden  wrote:

> What does KDE or GNOME buy you anyway?  Besides overhead.

I don't expect to be able to convince you, but a lot of people find
desktop environments easier to use than a whole load of terminals. For
example I sometimes prefer to use kdiff3 instead of plain "svn diff"
and KDE makes that simple.

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Anybody know apt-get ?

[Ronald F. Guilmette]

I need to get sources for the Linux version of certain programs that
reside in a package called "bsdutils".  I have built and installed
the "apt-get" program and now I'm just trying to use it, and things
are going very badly indeed.

Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here?  The errors I am
getting are shown below, and here are the current contents of my
/usr/local/etc/apt/sources.list file:

---
# See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy
# Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs
# CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool.
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted contrib 
non-free

# Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted contrib 
non-free
---


Here's what happens when I try to fetch the sources:


% apt-get source bsdutils
Reading package lists... 0%Reading package lists... 100%Reading package 
lists... Done
Building dependency tree... 0%Building dependency tree... 0%Building dependency 
tree... 0%Building dependency tree... 0%Building dependency tree... Done
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/main 
Packages 
(/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages)
 - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com 
maverick/restricted Packages 
(/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_restricted_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages)
 - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com 
maverick/contrib Packages 
(/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_contrib_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages)
 - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com 
maverick/non-free Packages 
(/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_non-free_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages)
 - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
E: Could not open file 
/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_source_Sources
 - open (2 No such file or directory)
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Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??

[Jerry]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:43:12 +0100
Polytropon  articulated:

> On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 15:54:46 -0700, Chip Camden
>  wrote:
> > What does KDE or GNOME buy you anyway?  Besides overhead.
> 
> Bloat. :-)

Bloat can easily be defined as something one user does not
need/require.

Essential can conversely be defined as something a user needs/desires.

In other works, your bloat can easily be another user's requirements.

If you are happy wiping your ass with your bare hand, then fine. Many
of use prefer to use toilet paper which perhaps you might define as
"toiletry bloat."

To answer the question, "What does KDE or GNOME buy you anyway?", the
answer is nothing. They have never even brought me a cup of coffee. Now,
if the user were to inquire as to what these two competing applications
have to offer, I might suggest that he/she start by visiting the
applications respective web sites for further details.

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Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??

[Polytropon]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 05:51:42 -0500, Jerry  wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:43:12 +0100
> Polytropon  articulated:
> 
> > On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 15:54:46 -0700, Chip Camden
> >  wrote:
> > > What does KDE or GNOME buy you anyway?  Besides overhead.
> > 
> > Bloat. :-)

I was just kidding, but maybe you want a serious discussion
about terminology, well, no problem. :-)



> Bloat can easily be defined as something one user does not
> need/require.

As my understanding, bloat refers to the tradition, mainly
driven by "rapid application development", to stack tons of
dependencies and abstraction layers in order to re-implement
existing functionality in programs that ugraded some of their
main libraries. This usually goes along with a reduction of
accessibility or ease of use. Furthermore, resource requirements
increase, and overall usage speed goes down. Often this is
caused by stuff that nobody needs, because it is totally
UNUSABLE. This is bloat.



> Essential can conversely be defined as something a user needs/desires.

Agreed.



> In other works, your bloat can easily be another user's requirements.

At least I'm willing to admit that it *might* be that there are
users who require software that justifies buying a new computer
twice a year to keep them doing the same things. In conclusion,
it might also be possible that some users enjoy waiting times.



> If you are happy wiping your ass with your bare hand, then fine. Many
> of use prefer to use toilet paper which perhaps you might define as
> "toiletry bloat."

Don't they own a toilet brush? :-)

Okay, I'm getting serious again: The basic idea is having certain
requirements. Those requirements emerge from personal opinions,
experiences, and needs, and also from a growing amount of
expectations. That whatever fits those requirements is the ideal
solution. In one case, this can be KDE, in another case, this
is Windowmaker, and in a third case, this is SSH. There is no
way of saying "one KDE fits all" or similar.



> To answer the question, "What does KDE or GNOME buy you anyway?", the
> answer is nothing. They have never even brought me a cup of coffee.

You need to install Kaffeine. :-)



> Now,
> if the user were to inquire as to what these two competing applications
> have to offer, I might suggest that he/she start by visiting the
> applications respective web sites for further details.

Even more imporant, it's worth TRYING them. In use - and see how
well they work. For example, I've been using KDE and Gnome in the
past, and even try them from time to time to see how they did
develop and if those requirements *I* have are already met.
There are also many alternatives in the GUI sector, and even
"split mode" is possible, e. g. use Blackbox as window manager,
but use some of the KDE and Gnome programs side by side.

THIS IS THE STRENGTH OF CHOICE.

Especially novice users do not want choice. They primarily want
something preinstalled and preconfigured. This is okay. The
PC-BSD system fits this requirement well. Still, you have to
make sure that certain requirement OF THE SOFTWARE are met,
e. g. recent hardware that is supported (not too old, not too
new). If hardware dictates what you can use (not just install
and run, but ACTUALLY use), then KDE and Gnome are often a
total no-go. Bloat, to come back to my initial statement, is
the main cause of no-go.




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How to disable syncookies & syncache

[Alexander Frolkin]

Hi,

I spent all day yesterday trying to get my FreeBSD box (8.1-RELEASE,
amd64) to talk to a Qlogic 4010 iSCSI card.

The problem is that when the Qlogic card tries to make a connection,
FreeBSD resets it (SYN, SYN|ACK, ACK, RST).

If I turn on net.inet.tcp.log_in_vain, I can see a message similar to

  TCP: [172.16.25.2]:30557 to [172.16.25.1]:3260 tcpflags 0x10;
  syncache_expand: TSECR 0 != TS 267223, segment rejected

for each connection attempt.

I've tried fiddling around with the net.inet.tcp.syn* sysctls, but all
I've managed to to is change the message to

  TCP: [172.16.25.2]:29387 to [172.16.25.1]:3260 tcpflags 0x10;
  syncache_expand: Segment failed SYNCOOKIE authentication, segment
  rejected (probably spoofed)

(this was with net.inet.tcp.syncookies_only=1, I believe) --- the
connection still gets reset, as before.

The only "solution" I've found so far is to comment out the bit of code
in sys/netinet/tcp_syncache.c that checks if TSECR == TS, but needless
to say, this is horrible, and will probably create other problems.

Now, I know what you're probably going to say --- the Qlogic card has a
broken TCP implementation.  While that may well be true, this is the
card I have and I'm stuck with it, so there's not much I can about that.

Any suggestions welcome. :-)


Thanks!


Alex

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Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??

[Leslie Jensen]

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Tushar  wrote:


I want to use windows and freeBSD, both of them at the same time...
please help...



I use Win7 and FreeBSD in a dualboot configuration because of the need 
for USB connectivity for some of the Windows apps.


I have Garmin mapsource for my GPS and iTunes for my iPod.

/Leslie
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Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??

[Mubeesh ali]

I guess the virtualbox supplied under puel license has full USB
support. may be good to check out if you are not averse to a more
restrictive licensing.

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Leslie Jensen  wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Tushar  wrote:
>>>
 I want to use windows and freeBSD, both of them at the same time...
 please help...
>
>
> I use Win7 and FreeBSD in a dualboot configuration because of the need for
> USB connectivity for some of the Windows apps.
>
> I have Garmin mapsource for my GPS and iTunes for my iPod.
>
> /Leslie
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Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??

[Leslie Jensen]

On 2010-11-07 12:44, Mubeesh ali wrote:

I guess the virtualbox supplied under puel license has full USB
support. may be good to check out if you are not averse to a more
restrictive licensing.



With the OSE version in the ports tree I've not considered the PUEL version.

Can you provide links on how to install it?

Thanks

/Leslie
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How to go about installing drivers for Huawei EC1261 USB stick+modem on FreeBSD ?

[Manish Jain]

   Hi,
   This is the first time I am using ppp on FreeBSD : till now I had
   exclusively used ethernet.
   I just purchased a Huawei USB stick+modem and I need to configure PPP
   for it. Can somebody kindly give me a pointer to what steps I need to
   follow ? I don't know the list of drivers I need to install to get
   internet up. I don't care much about the stick's mass storage
   capabilities; it is the modem I am interested in enabling. Would be
   really nice if someone could post a sample ppp.conf.
   Thanks
   Manish Jain
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Re: How to disable syncookies & syncache

[Ian Smith]

In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 335, Issue 14, Message: 2
On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:09:26 +0100 Alexander Frolkin  wrote:
 > Hi,
 > 
 > I spent all day yesterday trying to get my FreeBSD box (8.1-RELEASE,
 > amd64) to talk to a Qlogic 4010 iSCSI card.
 > 
 > The problem is that when the Qlogic card tries to make a connection,
 > FreeBSD resets it (SYN, SYN|ACK, ACK, RST).
 > 
 > If I turn on net.inet.tcp.log_in_vain, I can see a message similar to
 > 
 >   TCP: [172.16.25.2]:30557 to [172.16.25.1]:3260 tcpflags 0x10;
 >   syncache_expand: TSECR 0 != TS 267223, segment rejected
 > 
 > for each connection attempt.
 > 
 > I've tried fiddling around with the net.inet.tcp.syn* sysctls, but all
 > I've managed to to is change the message to
 > 
 >   TCP: [172.16.25.2]:29387 to [172.16.25.1]:3260 tcpflags 0x10;
 >   syncache_expand: Segment failed SYNCOOKIE authentication, segment
 >   rejected (probably spoofed)
 > 
 > (this was with net.inet.tcp.syncookies_only=1, I believe) --- the
 > connection still gets reset, as before.
 > 
 > The only "solution" I've found so far is to comment out the bit of code
 > in sys/netinet/tcp_syncache.c that checks if TSECR == TS, but needless
 > to say, this is horrible, and will probably create other problems.
 > 
 > Now, I know what you're probably going to say --- the Qlogic card has a
 > broken TCP implementation.  While that may well be true, this is the
 > card I have and I'm stuck with it, so there's not much I can about that.
 > 
 > Any suggestions welcome. :-)

Only that if I had such an issue I'd head for n...@freebsd.org and post 
the above there, where the syncache cookie monsters tend to hang out :)

cheers, Ian
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FreeBSD as a xen host

[Tim Dunphy]

Hello,

 I am attempting to turn my two FreeBSD hosts into xen hosts that can
run some vms. I am using this guide:

http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/Xen

I get down to this step:

cd xen-3.3-testing.hg ; make world && make install

and it fails to build:

[r...@lbsd2:/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg]#make world && make install
"Makefile", line 9: Need an operator
"Config.mk", line 12: Missing dependency operator
"Config.mk", line 14: Need an operator
"Config.mk", line 31: Could not find /config/.mk
"Config.mk", line 32: Could not find /config/.mk
"Config.mk", line 34: Missing dependency operator
"Config.mk", line 37: Need an operator
"Config.mk", line 53: Need an operator
Error expanding embedded variable.


Does anyone have any advice on how to get this to work?

thanks!




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Re: FreeBSD as a xen host

[C. P. Ghost]

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Tim Dunphy  wrote:
> Hello,
>
>  I am attempting to turn my two FreeBSD hosts into xen hosts that can
> run some vms. I am using this guide:
>
> http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/Xen
>
> I get down to this step:
>
> cd xen-3.3-testing.hg ; make world && make install
>
> and it fails to build:
>
> [r...@lbsd2:/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg]#make world && make install
> "Makefile", line 9: Need an operator
> "Config.mk", line 12: Missing dependency operator
> "Config.mk", line 14: Need an operator
> "Config.mk", line 31: Could not find /config/.mk
> "Config.mk", line 32: Could not find /config/.mk
> "Config.mk", line 34: Missing dependency operator
> "Config.mk", line 37: Need an operator
> "Config.mk", line 53: Need an operator
> Error expanding embedded variable.

Just guessing: it looks like you need to use gmake instead of make.

> Does anyone have any advice on how to get this to work?
>
> thanks!

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Re: FreeBSD as a xen host

[Bruce Cran]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 07:54:01 -0500
Tim Dunphy  wrote:

> [r...@lbsd2:/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg]#make world && make install
> "Makefile", line 9: Need an operator
> "Config.mk", line 12: Missing dependency operator
> "Config.mk", line 14: Need an operator
> "Config.mk", line 31: Could not find /config/.mk
> "Config.mk", line 32: Could not find /config/.mk
> "Config.mk", line 34: Missing dependency operator
> "Config.mk", line 37: Need an operator
> "Config.mk", line 53: Need an operator
> Error expanding embedded variable.
> 
> 
> Does anyone have any advice on how to get this to work?

Looks like you might need to use GNU make ("gmake") instead of "make"?

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Re: Anybody know apt-get ?

[Chris Brennan]

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 5:51 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette
wrote:

>
>
> I need to get sources for the Linux version of certain programs that
> reside in a package called "bsdutils".  I have built and installed
> the "apt-get" program and now I'm just trying to use it, and things
> are going very badly indeed.
>
> Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here?  The errors I am
> getting are shown below, and here are the current contents of my
> /usr/local/etc/apt/sources.list file:
>
> ---
> # See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy
> # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs
> # CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool.
> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted contrib
> non-free
>
> # Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work
> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted
> contrib non-free
> ---
>
>
> Here's what happens when I try to fetch the sources:
>
>
> % apt-get source bsdutils
> Reading package lists... 0%Reading package lists... 100%Reading package
> lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... 0%Building dependency tree... 0%Building
> dependency tree... 0%Building dependency tree... 0%Building dependency
> tree... Done
> W: Couldn't stat source package list 
> http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/main Packages
> (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages)
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list 
> http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/restricted Packages
> (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_restricted_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages)
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list 
> http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/contrib Packages
> (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_contrib_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages)
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list 
> http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/non-free Packages
> (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_non-free_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages)
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
> E: Could not open file
> /var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_source_Sources
> - open (2 No such file or directory)
>

I am going to take a stab in the dark here and suggest that some sort of db
needs to be built for apt ... clues in the part /var/db.. (man apt-get?)


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Re: Anybody know apt-get ?

[Bruce Cran]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:52:00 -0500
Chris Brennan  wrote:

> I am going to take a stab in the dark here and suggest that some sort
> of db needs to be built for apt ... clues in the part /var/db..
> (man apt-get?)

"apt-get update"

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Certification

[Mohammad Reza Abbasy]

Dear Lady,Sir

I am very eager to get a certification for the FreeBSD but I do not know
how? I am in Malaysia. Is there any branch in Malaysia? Is there any
material for learning FreeBSD by myself?If yes, how can I get them?

Many thanks.

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Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)'

[Chris Brennan]

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Chris Brennan  wrote:

>
> It is faster/easier to fix NDISulator than to port ndiswrapper to FreeBSD.
>>
>
> No doubt it would be faster and easier to fix NDISulator then to port
> ndiswrapper. This at least answers my question as to weather ndiswrapper
> actually works/exists in FreeBSD64. So am I basically screwed here for
> wireless till it is fixed (I'm no programmer so it's out of my field of
> expertise)
>
>
>
>
So there is no hope for me to get wireless working w/ this card and
FreeBSD64?



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>
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>
>
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> 
>
>
>
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Re: How to go about installing drivers for Huawei EC1261 USB stick+modem on FreeBSD ?

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Sunday, November 07, 2010 a las 05:31:29PM +0530, Manish Jain escribió:

> 
>Hi,
>This is the first time I am using ppp on FreeBSD : till now I had
>exclusively used ethernet.
>I just purchased a Huawei USB stick+modem and I need to configure PPP
>for it. Can somebody kindly give me a pointer to what steps I need to
>follow ? I don't know the list of drivers I need to install to get
>internet up. I don't care much about the stick's mass storage
>capabilities; it is the modem I am interested in enabling. Would be
>really nice if someone could post a sample ppp.conf.
>Thanks
>Manish Jain

kldload 'ubsa' and see if it supports this Huawei card. If so, you may
follow more or less the chap. 6 of my paper

http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC-8CURRENT.txt

HIH

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re: restart virtualbox

[Jed Clear]

yanxinyoou:
> i intall virturl box   like  this:
> 
> # cd /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox
> # make install clean 
> 
> # cd /boot /modules/*however i forgot do this commander  
> # ls vbox*   /*i also forgot
> vboxdrv.ko vboxnetadp.ko vboxnetflt.ko
> 
> # echo 'vboxdrv_load="yes"' >> /boot/loader.conf
> # echo 'ng_ether_load="yes"' >> /boot/loader.conf
> # echo 'ng_ether_load="yes"' >> /boot/loader.conf
> 
> # cat /boot/loader.conf
> vboxdrv_load="yes"
> vboxnetflt_load="yes"
> ng_ether_load="yes"

The man page implies that "YES" should be upper case.

> after i restart   bsd  auto  restart !
> 
> i think  it caused  by i made a mistake on loader.conf
> 
> but i don't know how to do now 
> 
> i can't get in the system to change the  /boot/loader.conf

Try Interrupting the loader and unloading the kernel modules before continuing 
the boot.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/boot-blocks.html

You'll also probably want to boot single user until you resolve the issue.

Failing that boot from a recovery CD, mount the / filesystem and 
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Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)'

[Paul B Mahol]

On 11/7/10, Chris Brennan  wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Chris Brennan  wrote:
>
>>
>> It is faster/easier to fix NDISulator than to port ndiswrapper to FreeBSD.
>>>
>>
>> No doubt it would be faster and easier to fix NDISulator then to port
>> ndiswrapper. This at least answers my question as to weather ndiswrapper
>> actually works/exists in FreeBSD64. So am I basically screwed here for
>> wireless till it is fixed (I'm no programmer so it's out of my field of
>> expertise)
>>
>>
>>
>>
> So there is no hope for me to get wireless working w/ this card and
> FreeBSD64?

There is hope.
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Re: FreeBSD as a xen host

[Tim Dunphy]

Guys,

 Thanks gmake has gotten me much farther than make has! :) However the
install is still failing:

gmake libxenctrl.a libxenctrl.so libxenctrl.so.3.2 libxenctrl.so.3.2.0
libxenguest.a libxenguest.so libxenguest.so.3.2 libxenguest.so.3.2.0
getconf: no such configuration parameter `LFS_CFLAGS'
gmake[4]: Entering directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg/tools/libxc'
gcc  -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -m32 -march=i686 -DNDEBUG
-fno-strict-aliasing -std=gnu99 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes
-Wno-unused-value -Wdeclaration-after-statement  -D__XEN_TOOLS__
-D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -mno-tls-direct-seg-refs
-Werror -Wmissing-prototypes  -I. -I../xenstore -Wp,-MD,.xc_core.o.d
-c -o xc_core.o xc_core.c
In file included from xg_private.h:16,
 from xc_core.c:52:
xc_private.h:18:29: error: xen/sys/privcmd.h: No such file or directory
In file included from xg_private.h:16,
 from xc_core.c:52:
xc_private.h:86: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...'
before 'privcmd_hypercall_t'
xc_private.h: In function 'do_xen_version':
xc_private.h:90: error: 'privcmd_hypercall_t' undeclared (first use in
this function)
xc_private.h:90: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
xc_private.h:90: error: for each function it appears in.)
xc_private.h:90: error: expected ';' before 'hypercall'
xc_private.h:92: error: 'hypercall' undeclared (first use in this function)
xc_private.h:96: error: too many arguments to function 'do_xen_hypercall'
xc_private.h: In function 'do_domctl':
xc_private.h:102: error: 'privcmd_hypercall_t' undeclared (first use
in this function)
xc_private.h:102: error: expected ';' before 'hypercall'
xc_private.h:106: error: 'hypercall' undeclared (first use in this function)
xc_private.h:115: error: too many arguments to function 'do_xen_hypercall'
xc_private.h: In function 'do_sysctl':
xc_private.h:131: error: 'privcmd_hypercall_t' undeclared (first use
in this function)
xc_private.h:131: error: expected ';' before 'hypercall'
xc_private.h:135: error: 'hypercall' undeclared (first use in this function)
xc_private.h:144: error: too many arguments to function 'do_xen_hypercall'
xc_private.h: At top level:
xc_private.h:158: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...'
before 'privcmd_mmap_entry_t'
gmake[4]: *** [xc_core.o] Error 1
gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg/tools/libxc'
gmake[3]: *** [build] Error 2
gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg/tools/libxc'
gmake[2]: *** [install] Error 2
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg/tools'
gmake[1]: *** [install-tools] Error 2
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg'
gmake: *** [world] Error 2

I was wondering if you might have any further suggestions that might
get this working.

regards



On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Bruce Cran  wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 07:54:01 -0500
> Tim Dunphy  wrote:
>
>> [r...@lbsd2:/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg]#make world && make install
>> "Makefile", line 9: Need an operator
>> "Config.mk", line 12: Missing dependency operator
>> "Config.mk", line 14: Need an operator
>> "Config.mk", line 31: Could not find /config/.mk
>> "Config.mk", line 32: Could not find /config/.mk
>> "Config.mk", line 34: Missing dependency operator
>> "Config.mk", line 37: Need an operator
>> "Config.mk", line 53: Need an operator
>> Error expanding embedded variable.
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have any advice on how to get this to work?
>
> Looks like you might need to use GNU make ("gmake") instead of "make"?
>
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Re: Anybody know apt-get ?

[John Levine]

In article <24360.1289127...@tristatelogic.com> you write:
>I need to get sources for the Linux version of certain programs that
>reside in a package called "bsdutils".

So get them, already.  No need to screw around with Linux binary
installers, particularly not on the FreeBSD list:

http://packages.debian.org/lenny/bsdutils

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Re: FreeBSD as a xen host

[Adam Vande More]

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Tim Dunphy  wrote:

> Hello,
>
>  I am attempting to turn my two FreeBSD hosts into xen hosts that can
> run some vms. I am using this guide:
>
> http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/Xen
>
> I get down to this step:
>
> cd xen-3.3-testing.hg ; make world && make install
>
> and it fails to build:
>

You may wish to read that page again.  Dom0 support doesn't exist in
FreeBSD, and paravirt domU is sketchy at best.

Your virtualization options are VirtualBox or FreeBSD jails.  There's
another container based method that's experimental somewhere too.

Changing your root shell is asking for trouble.  There's a FAQ on it, and
hundreds of threads of misery.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/faq/book.html#TOOR-ACCOUNT

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Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)'

[Chris Brennan]

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Paul B Mahol  wrote:

> On 11/7/10, Chris Brennan  wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Chris Brennan 
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> It is faster/easier to fix NDISulator than to port ndiswrapper to
> FreeBSD.
> >>>
> >>
> >> No doubt it would be faster and easier to fix NDISulator then to port
> >> ndiswrapper. This at least answers my question as to weather ndiswrapper
> >> actually works/exists in FreeBSD64. So am I basically screwed here for
> >> wireless till it is fixed (I'm no programmer so it's out of my field of
> >> expertise)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > So there is no hope for me to get wireless working w/ this card and
> > FreeBSD64?
>
> There is hope.
>

Lead the way brother!

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Re: Installed memory today, questions immediately

[Robert Bonomi]

  
> To: "FreeBSD Mailing List" 
> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 19:13:53 -0700
> From: "justin v" 
> Subject: Installed memory today, questions immediately
>
> I installed 4GB or memory today.  I rebooted and see this, the first line  
> after the splash menu thing:
>
> 983040K of memory above 4GB ignored
>
> dmesg shows avail mem amount and I am concerned as well:
>
> real memory  = 4294967296 (4096 MB)
> avail memory = 3139940352 (2994 MB)
>
> is a stick bad perhaps?

Looking at this a little more carefully, the memory itself is fine
The problem is _where_ it is being mapped into the address-space at.

The first line is the give-awy  " above 4GB ignored."

At this point I'm *guessing*, but it looks like 'main memory' is gettnig 
mapped into the address-space in 1gb chunks and there is "something" 
(probably video memory)   occuping space up to 0x?3800maybe a 
128mb video card mapped in at a base 768mb

If there is a way to relocate where the (presumed video) memory is mapped,
say, down to a bae of 128mb, you could potentialy pick up 640 megs of
usable memory.  giving 3-3/4 gig less a bit, instead of barely 3 gigs.

It's worth checking the video board manual and/or 'configuration' utility
for a tweak.



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Re: Anybody know apt-get ?

[Adam Vande More]

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 9:58 AM, John Levine  wrote:

> In article <24360.1289127...@tristatelogic.com> you write:
> >I need to get sources for the Linux version of certain programs that
> >reside in a package called "bsdutils".
>
> So get them, already.  No need to screw around with Linux binary
> installers, particularly not on the FreeBSD list:
>
> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/bsdutils
>

Of course you're correct for what the OP is doing but actually in way this a
kind of a cool idea.  If you could modify the apt-get installer to know
FreeBSD's linux compat layout and brand the binaries appropriately you would
have a fabously easy method of installing linux bins although I guess you'd
have better luck doing it yum rather than apt-get.

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Re: FreeBSD as a xen host

[Tim Dunphy]

Adam,

 Thanks for clarifying. And my root shell is csh. I am merely
executing bash so I have the convenience of command line completion.

best!

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Adam Vande More  wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Tim Dunphy  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>  I am attempting to turn my two FreeBSD hosts into xen hosts that can
>> run some vms. I am using this guide:
>>
>> http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/Xen
>>
>> I get down to this step:
>>
>> cd xen-3.3-testing.hg ; make world && make install
>>
>> and it fails to build:
>
> You may wish to read that page again.  Dom0 support doesn't exist in
> FreeBSD, and paravirt domU is sketchy at best.
>
> Your virtualization options are VirtualBox or FreeBSD jails.  There's
> another container based method that's experimental somewhere too.
>
> Changing your root shell is asking for trouble.  There's a FAQ on it, and
> hundreds of threads of misery.
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/faq/book.html#TOOR-ACCOUNT
>
> --
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>



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Re: FreeBSD as a xen host

[Robert Bonomi]

> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Sun Nov  7 10:17:51 2010
> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:18:56 -0500
> From: Tim Dunphy 
> To: freebsd-questions 
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a xen host
>
> Guys,
>
>  Thanks gmake has gotten me much farther than make has! :) However the
> install is still failing:
>
> gmake libxenctrl.a libxenctrl.so libxenctrl.so.3.2 libxenctrl.so.3.2.0
> libxenguest.a libxenguest.so libxenguest.so.3.2 libxenguest.so.3.2.0
> getconf: no such configuration parameter `LFS_CFLAGS'
> gmake[4]: Entering directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg/tools/libxc'
> gcc  -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -m32 -march=i686 -DNDEBUG
> -fno-strict-aliasing -std=gnu99 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes
> -Wno-unused-value -Wdeclaration-after-statement  -D__XEN_TOOLS__
> -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -mno-tls-direct-seg-refs
> -Werror -Wmissing-prototypes  -I. -I../xenstore -Wp,-MD,.xc_core.o.d
> -c -o xc_core.o xc_core.c
> In file included from xg_private.h:16,
>  from xc_core.c:52:
> xc_private.h:18:29: error: xen/sys/privcmd.h: No such file or directory
> In file included from xg_private.h:16,
>  from xc_core.c:52:
> xc_private.h:86: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...'
> before 'privcmd_hypercall_t'
> xc_private.h: In function 'do_xen_version':
> xc_private.h:90: error: 'privcmd_hypercall_t' undeclared (first use in
> this function)
> xc_private.h:90: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> xc_private.h:90: error: for each function it appears in.)
> xc_private.h:90: error: expected ';' before 'hypercall'
> xc_private.h:92: error: 'hypercall' undeclared (first use in this function)
> xc_private.h:96: error: too many arguments to function 'do_xen_hypercall'
> xc_private.h: In function 'do_domctl':
> xc_private.h:102: error: 'privcmd_hypercall_t' undeclared (first use
> in this function)
> xc_private.h:102: error: expected ';' before 'hypercall'
> xc_private.h:106: error: 'hypercall' undeclared (first use in this function)
> xc_private.h:115: error: too many arguments to function 'do_xen_hypercall'
> xc_private.h: In function 'do_sysctl':
> xc_private.h:131: error: 'privcmd_hypercall_t' undeclared (first use
> in this function)
> xc_private.h:131: error: expected ';' before 'hypercall'
> xc_private.h:135: error: 'hypercall' undeclared (first use in this function)
> xc_private.h:144: error: too many arguments to function 'do_xen_hypercall'
> xc_private.h: At top level:
> xc_private.h:158: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...'
> before 'privcmd_mmap_entry_t'
> gmake[4]: *** [xc_core.o] Error 1
> gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg/tools/libxc'
> gmake[3]: *** [build] Error 2
> gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg/tools/libxc'
> gmake[2]: *** [install] Error 2
> gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg/tools'
> gmake[1]: *** [install-tools] Error 2
> gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg'
> gmake: *** [world] Error 2
>
> I was wondering if you might have any further suggestions that might
> get this working.

if you -read- the output carefully, you discover that it is complaining 
abouot not being able to find an include file. a file named:
   xen/sys/privcd.h

You need to figure out _where_ that file is on your system, and arrange
to include the parent directory in the 'include search path' when you
compile that module.   the cc '-I" flag.  

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Re: ZFS License and Future

[Matthew Seaman]

On 06/11/2010 16:10, Chad Perrin wrote:
>   Will Oracle lawyers
> find some patent related to the creation of that software the company
> "owns" and use that to sue you if you fork the project to ensure the
> survival of your own development projects?  It seems somewhat likely,
> somehow.

Oracle couldn't sue for patent violations on software that they (or
their predecessors) had released and that people were using as-is.
That's legitimate use under license from the software's originators.

Nor could they sue successfully over some completely novel
implementation that avoided patented areas.

An interesting question is: could they sue over use of patented feature
'foo' in a forked copy of the software, where the code implementing
'foo' was still identical to the original version and where any
substantial novel work was on other, unpatented, areas?  This flies in
the face of the original intent of granting patents; that innovators
should be able to claim the benefits of their own work in order that
innovation be encouraged.

I doubt that any free software project would have sufficient funds to
pursue such a case through the courts.

I take comfort from the example of OpenBSD and CARP vs. Cisco and HSRP.
 Open source projects have been here before, and survived by doing what
open source projects do best: writing code.

Cheers,

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Re: FreeBSD as a xen host

[Matthew Seaman]

On 07/11/2010 16:39, Tim Dunphy wrote:
>  Thanks for clarifying. And my root shell is csh. I am merely
> executing bash so I have the convenience of command line completion.

tcsh(1) does command line completion etc. etc.  at least as well as
bash(1) and sometimes arguably better (IMHO).

Try adding:

set autocorrect
set autoexpand
set autolist
set matchbeep = nomatch

to your .tcshrc -- there are plenty more variables to tweak behaviour
with documented in the manual.

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portupgrade fails to run or do anything

[Ron (Lists)]

I'm trying to upgrade my ports and I can't get portupgrade to do 
anything.  I type 'sudo portupgrade apache' (or any package) and all I 
get back is a command prompt.  No error or any other message.  
portversion seems to work correctly, showing my out of date ports, etc.


Running portupgrade with -F doesn't help at all.  I've also noticed 
that tab-expansion isn't working like it used to on the port names, so 
that makes me wonder if the database is screwed up.  I've tried running 
pkgdb and it just returns like portupgrade.  Running portsdb to try and 
rebuild the index doesn't help.


Any ideas?  I'm perplexed and Google is no help.

Thanks

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Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Bruce Cran on Sunday, 07 November 2010:
> On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 15:54:46 -0700
> Chip Camden  wrote:
> 
> > What does KDE or GNOME buy you anyway?  Besides overhead.
> 
> I don't expect to be able to convince you, but a lot of people find
> desktop environments easier to use than a whole load of terminals. For
> example I sometimes prefer to use kdiff3 instead of plain "svn diff"
> and KDE makes that simple.
> 
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I'm not here to bash desktop environments, I seriously want to know you use 
them to
improve productivity.

I used to be a big believer in GUIs.  Back in the early 90s, I
experimented with creating my own completely visual development
environment, with a high percentage of drag 'n' drop and doubleclick
in place of command lines.

Now I find that any time I reach for the mouse, I'm slowing myself down.
It's more efficient to use the keyboard even to switch focused windows
or to follow links in a browser (provided that the window manager and
browser are equipped with usable shortcuts).

I use a tiling wm (xmonad) to maximize visibility, real estate usage, and
navigability.  No overlapping windows unless I say so.

That's my experience.  How does yours differ, and how does KDE/GNOME
help?

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Re: ZFS License and Future

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Randal L. Schwartz on Saturday, 06 November 2010:
> > "Chip" == Chip Camden  writes:
> 
> Chip> The one in that list that worries me the most is VirtualBox -- that's a
> Chip> truly useful solution that isn't easily replaced.  But I read somewhere
> Chip> that there was a movement gaining steam to break off from Oracle.
> 
> When I interviewed the VirtualBox guys for FLOSS Weekly
> (http://twit.tv/floss130), they seemed pretty confident that Oracle was
> going to keep fairly "hands off", in a way that was starkly contrasted
> with some of the other former-Sun project leaders I've spoken to.
> (Ugh, too early to fix the tortured english... I hope you get the point.)
> 

I hope it's more than wishful thinking on their part.  I would trust
Oracle to keep "hands off" for precisely as long as they do not perceive
any reason to put "hands on".

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Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything

[Chris Brennan]

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ron (Lists)  wrote:

> I'm trying to upgrade my ports and I can't get portupgrade to do anything.
>  I type 'sudo portupgrade apache' (or any package) and all I get back is a
> command prompt.  No error or any other message.  portversion seems to work
> correctly, showing my out of date ports, etc.
>
> Running portupgrade with -F doesn't help at all.  I've also noticed that
> tab-expansion isn't working like it used to on the port names, so that makes
> me wonder if the database is screwed up.  I've tried running pkgdb and it
> just returns like portupgrade.  Running portsdb to try and rebuild the index
> doesn't help.
>
> Any ideas?  I'm perplexed and Google is no help.
>
> Thanks
>
>
Syntax is 'portupgrade www/apache' (/usr/ports is assumed)

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Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??

[Polytropon]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:41:06 -0800, Chip Camden  
wrote:
> I'm not here to bash desktop environments, I seriously want to know you use 
> them to
> improve productivity.

Yes, would be interesting to know. Not that I deny it - I just have
no evidence from my experience and observations on how this could
be achieved.



> I used to be a big believer in GUIs. 

I may admit that the more I'm using GUI based programs for everyday
tasks regularly (e. g. MUA), I get more and more disappointed that
it seems that I need to buy a new PC in order to keep the same
average speed of operation.



> Now I find that any time I reach for the mouse, I'm slowing myself down.

A TrackPoint (the little joystick-like pointing device located
in the middle of the keyboard) seems to be a good repacement
for a regular mouse, and in any case for fingerslime glidepads.



> It's more efficient to use the keyboard even to switch focused windows
> or to follow links in a browser (provided that the window manager and
> browser are equipped with usable shortcuts).

Important point! But in reality you see keyboard support more
and more left out for the GUI programs - allthough they COULD
provide good keyboard support. WindowMaker (as a window manager)
and Opera (as a web browser) are, in my experience, examples
of how to combine good keyboard support with good mouse support.



> I use a tiling wm (xmonad) to maximize visibility, real estate usage, and
> navigability.  No overlapping windows unless I say so.

Tiling window managers, as I've often seen, seem to be the choice
of the advanced / professional users. Sadly, their magic didn't
open up to me yet. :-)



> That's my experience.  How does yours differ, and how does KDE/GNOME
> help?

Again, I may share a very individual opinion about KDE and Gnome.
If you're coming from a "Windows" background, things seem to be
logical and "as expected" in those environments. If you're from
a UNIX / X background, things look overcomplicated, illogical,
and somewhat strange (like using the edit buffer for copying and
moving files, the inability to handle windows focus and foreground
independently). So a person like myself would have to spend many
time clicking around in KDE or Gnome in order to configure it
into something halfway usable.

KDE and Gnome represent "(quite) closed ecosystems": There are
programs for KDE, similar ones for Gnome, and they interact well
with each other within their ecosystems. Mixed forms, a strength
of generic UNIX and X applications, often becomes complicated.
Even language issues (i18n) are typical symptoms of that "closed-
ness".

Coming back to your initial statement: For users EXPECTING something
to act in a specific way, KDE and Gnome really "boost" their
productivity, as it doesn't force them to question or relearn
things they take for granted.


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Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything

[Ron (Lists)]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:57:03 -0500, Chris Brennan 
wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ron (Lists)  wrote:
>  I'm trying to upgrade my ports and I can't get portupgrade to do
> anything.  I type 'sudo portupgrade apache' (or any package) and all
> I get back is a command prompt.  No error or any other message.
>  portversion seems to work correctly, showing my out of date ports,
> etc.
> 
>  Running portupgrade with -F doesn't help at all.  I've also noticed
> that tab-expansion isn't working like it used to on the port names, so
> that makes me wonder if the database is screwed up.  I've tried
> running pkgdb and it just returns like portupgrade.  Running portsdb
> to try and rebuild the index doesn't help.
> 
>  Any ideas?  I'm perplexed and Google is no help.
> 
>  Thanks
> 
> Syntax is 'portupgrade www/apache' (/usr/ports is assumed)
> 

'portupgrade apache' has always worked before and adding the www/ in
front does not fix the problem.  Still the same results, e.g. nothing. 
:-)

Ron


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Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything

[Polytropon]

On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:21:22 -0800, "Ron (Lists)"  wrote:
> I'm trying to upgrade my ports and I can't get portupgrade to do 
> anything.  I type 'sudo portupgrade apache' (or any package) and all I 
> get back is a command prompt.  No error or any other message.  
> portversion seems to work correctly, showing my out of date ports, etc.

You need to be in /usr/ports and then issue the port name together
with the category; in your case:

% cd /usr/ports
% sudo portupgrade www/apache



> Running portupgrade with -F doesn't help at all.  I've also noticed 
> that tab-expansion isn't working like it used to on the port names, so 
> that makes me wonder if the database is screwed up. 

The expansion is handled by the shell, and based on the content of
directories accessed. If you follow the example above, autocomplete
should work fine.



> I've tried running 
> pkgdb and it just returns like portupgrade. 

That should not be; did you run this?

# pkgdb -aF

This is the most common call for that program, issued as root (or via
su or sudo or super).



> Running portsdb to try and 
> rebuild the index doesn't help.

See from the manpage:

Note that INDEX file is updated every few hours on official
site, it is recommended that you run ``portsdb -Fu'' after
every CVSup of the ports tree in order to keep them always
up-to-date and in sync with the ports tree.



> Any ideas?  I'm perplexed and Google is no help.

I can suggest reading the manpages of the programs in question
before consulting google. One of FreeBSD's strengths is its
EXCELLENT documentation. Know about that fact, and it will
help you in many situations. :-)



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Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything

[Ron (Lists)]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:08:23 +0100, Polytropon  wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:21:22 -0800, "Ron (Lists)"  wrote:
>> I'm trying to upgrade my ports and I can't get portupgrade to do
>> anything.  I type 'sudo portupgrade apache' (or any package) and all I
>> get back is a command prompt.  No error or any other message.
>> portversion seems to work correctly, showing my out of date ports, etc.
> 
> You need to be in /usr/ports and then issue the port name together
> with the category; in your case:
> 
>   % cd /usr/ports
>   % sudo portupgrade www/apache
> 
> 
> 
>> Running portupgrade with -F doesn't help at all.  I've also noticed
>> that tab-expansion isn't working like it used to on the port names, so
>> that makes me wonder if the database is screwed up.
> 
> The expansion is handled by the shell, and based on the content of
> directories accessed. If you follow the example above, autocomplete
> should work fine.
> 
> 
> 
>> I've tried running
>> pkgdb and it just returns like portupgrade.
> 
> That should not be; did you run this?
> 
>   # pkgdb -aF
> 
> This is the most common call for that program, issued as root (or via
> su or sudo or super).
> 
> 
> 
>> Running portsdb to try and
>> rebuild the index doesn't help.
> 
> See from the manpage:
> 
>   Note that INDEX file is updated every few hours on official
>   site, it is recommended that you run ``portsdb -Fu'' after
>   every CVSup of the ports tree in order to keep them always
>   up-to-date and in sync with the ports tree.
> 
> 
> 
>> Any ideas?  I'm perplexed and Google is no help.
> 
> I can suggest reading the manpages of the programs in question
> before consulting google. One of FreeBSD's strengths is its
> EXCELLENT documentation. Know about that fact, and it will
> help you in many situations. :-)

None of these suggestions help.  I have never had to put www/ in front
of the port name before.  The tab expansion is handled by
bash-completion as used to be smart enough to know the command I was
typing and could auto-complete port names, but no longer, which is why I
suspect that I have a screwed up database.

Ron





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Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything

[Rob Farmer]

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:15, Ron (Lists)  wrote:
> None of these suggestions help.  I have never had to put www/ in front
> of the port name before.  The tab expansion is handled by
> bash-completion as used to be smart enough to know the command I was
> typing and could auto-complete port names, but no longer, which is why I
> suspect that I have a screwed up database.

Perhaps it is fallout from recent infrastructure changes?
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-ports/2010-October/205680.html

Portupgrade doesn't seem to have an active maintainer, so perhaps try
portmaster.

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Re: ZFS License and Future

[Bill Campbell]

On Sun, Nov 07, 2010, Matthew Seaman wrote:
>On 06/11/2010 16:10, Chad Perrin wrote:
>>   Will Oracle lawyers
>> find some patent related to the creation of that software the company
>> "owns" and use that to sue you if you fork the project to ensure the
>> survival of your own development projects?  It seems somewhat likely,
>> somehow.
>
>Oracle couldn't sue for patent violations on software that they (or
>their predecessors) had released and that people were using as-is.
>That's legitimate use under license from the software's originators.
>
>Nor could they sue successfully over some completely novel
>implementation that avoided patented areas.

ROFL!  Couldn't Sue?  In the U.S.?  SCO has been suing the world
for years for using Linux when SCO distributed it under the GPL
for years, years after their original lawsuits.  All that's
necessary to sue is willing lawyers and lots of cash.  I have
always thought that a major factor in Microsoft's sucess was
initially Bill's Daddy's law firm, and later Microsoft's legal
department ready to sue cometitors into oblivion.

>I doubt that any free software project would have sufficient funds to
>pursue such a case through the courts.

On the other hand, representatives from the Samba team were very
instrumental in EU rulings related to Microsoft.  I don't
remember the details offhand, but I'm sure it's in the groklaw
archives and searchable.

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portmaster question

[Fred]

Hello,

According to man portmaster the -a option will "Update all ports that 
need updating".  Does this apply to only installed ports or to 
everything in /usr/ports?


Best regards,
Fred

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Re: portmaster question

[Polytropon]

On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:21:59 -0700, Fred  wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> According to man portmaster the -a option will "Update all ports that 
> need updating".  Does this apply to only installed ports or to 
> everything in /usr/ports?

It applies to installed ports. A commonly used command to
upgrade them is "portupgrad -af".


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Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??

[Jerry]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:23:36 +0100
Polytropon  articulated:

> > To answer the question, "What does KDE or GNOME buy you anyway?",
> > the answer is nothing. They have never even brought me a cup of
> > coffee.  
> 
> You need to install Kaffeine. :-)

Touché

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Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything

[Frank Shute]

On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 09:21:22AM -0800, Ron (Lists) wrote:
>
> I'm trying to upgrade my ports and I can't get portupgrade to do 
> anything.  I type 'sudo portupgrade apache' (or any package) and all I 
> get back is a command prompt.  No error or any other message.  
> portversion seems to work correctly, showing my out of date ports, etc.
> 
> Running portupgrade with -F doesn't help at all.  I've also noticed 
> that tab-expansion isn't working like it used to on the port names, so 
> that makes me wonder if the database is screwed up.  I've tried running 
> pkgdb and it just returns like portupgrade.  Running portsdb to try and 
> rebuild the index doesn't help.
> 
> Any ideas?  I'm perplexed and Google is no help.
> 
> Thanks
> 

Give portupgrade the -v arg to get some debugging information. E.g:

# sudo portupgrade -v apache\*


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Re: portmaster question

[Jerry]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:31:11 +0100
Polytropon  articulated:

> On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:21:59 -0700, Fred  wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > According to man portmaster the -a option will "Update all ports
> > that need updating".  Does this apply to only installed ports or to 
> > everything in /usr/ports?
> 
> It applies to installed ports. A commonly used command to
> upgrade them is "portupgrad -af".
   ^^^
Using the 'f' flag can be expensive if there are a large number of
ports installed and the machine in question is not relative fast.

When using 'portupgrade', I commonly use the '-r' flag in conjunction
with the previously discussed '-a' flag. While not as through as the
"-u -p" flags with 'portmanger', it does accomplish its goal.

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Re: Anybody know apt-get ?

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 02:51:52AM -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
> 
> 
> I need to get sources for the Linux version of certain programs that
> reside in a package called "bsdutils".  I have built and installed
> the "apt-get" program and now I'm just trying to use it, and things
> are going very badly indeed.
> 
> Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here?  The errors I am
> getting are shown below, and here are the current contents of my
> /usr/local/etc/apt/sources.list file:

I haven't used APT in a while, but I recall the existence of an
apt-get-like tool specifically for dealing with source, called apt-src.
You should be able to install it on your system and sift through its
manpage at your leisure:

apt-get install apt-src

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Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything

[Jerry]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:32:05 -0800
Rob Farmer  articulated:

> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:15, Ron (Lists)  wrote:
> > None of these suggestions help.  I have never had to put www/ in
> > front of the port name before.  The tab expansion is handled by
> > bash-completion as used to be smart enough to know the command I was
> > typing and could auto-complete port names, but no longer, which is
> > why I suspect that I have a screwed up database.
> 
> Perhaps it is fallout from recent infrastructure changes?
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-ports/2010-October/205680.html
> 
> Portupgrade doesn't seem to have an active maintainer, so perhaps try
> portmaster.

Really! When did "r...@freebsd.org" drop the port? If he is not
actively maintaining the port then perhaps he should inform the proper
authority.

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Re: Anybody know apt-get ?

[Ross Cameron]

Ronald what EXACTLY are you trying to accomplish here?

The bsdutils are a collection of commands from the 4.4BSD era that are now
included in the util-linux package which is available from Kernel.org

http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux/




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On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette
wrote:

>
>
> I need to get sources for the Linux version of certain programs that
> reside in a package called "bsdutils".  I have built and installed
> the "apt-get" program and now I'm just trying to use it, and things
> are going very badly indeed.
>
> Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here?  The errors I am
> getting are shown below, and here are the current contents of my
> /usr/local/etc/apt/sources.list file:
>
> ---
> # See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy
> # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs
> # CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool.
> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted contrib
> non-free
>
> # Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work
> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted
> contrib non-free
> ---
>
>
> Here's what happens when I try to fetch the sources:
>
>
> % apt-get source bsdutils
> Reading package lists... 0%Reading package lists... 100%Reading package
> lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... 0%Building dependency tree... 0%Building
> dependency tree... 0%Building dependency tree... 0%Building dependency
> tree... Done
> W: Couldn't stat source package list 
> http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/main Packages
> (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages)
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list 
> http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/restricted Packages
> (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_restricted_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages)
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list 
> http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/contrib Packages
> (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_contrib_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages)
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list 
> http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/non-free Packages
> (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_non-free_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages)
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
> E: Could not open file
> /var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_source_Sources
> - open (2 No such file or directory)
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Re: Anybody know apt-get ?

[Ross Cameron]

Oops ... the current release of util-linux being available here
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux-ng/




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On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Ross Cameron
wrote:

> Ronald what EXACTLY are you trying to accomplish here?
>
> The bsdutils are a collection of commands from the 4.4BSD era that are now
> included in the util-linux package which is available from Kernel.org
>
> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux/
>
>
>
>
> "Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in
> overalls and looks like work."
> Thomas Alva Edison
> Inventor of 1093 patents, including:
> The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette <
> r...@tristatelogic.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I need to get sources for the Linux version of certain programs that
>> reside in a package called "bsdutils".  I have built and installed
>> the "apt-get" program and now I'm just trying to use it, and things
>> are going very badly indeed.
>>
>> Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here?  The errors I am
>> getting are shown below, and here are the current contents of my
>> /usr/local/etc/apt/sources.list file:
>>
>> ---
>> # See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy
>> # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs
>> # CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool.
>> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted contrib
>> non-free
>>
>> # Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work
>> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted
>> contrib non-free
>> ---
>>
>>
>> Here's what happens when I try to fetch the sources:
>>
>>
>> % apt-get source bsdutils
>> Reading package lists... 0%Reading package lists... 100%Reading package
>> lists... Done
>> Building dependency tree... 0%Building dependency tree... 0%Building
>> dependency tree... 0%Building dependency tree... 0%Building dependency
>> tree... Done
>> W: Couldn't stat source package list 
>> http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/main Packages
>> (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages)
>> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
>> W: Couldn't stat source package list 
>> http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/restricted Packages
>> (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_restricted_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages)
>> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
>> W: Couldn't stat source package list 
>> http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/contrib Packages
>> (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_contrib_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages)
>> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
>> W: Couldn't stat source package list 
>> http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/non-free Packages
>> (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_non-free_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages)
>> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
>> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
>> E: Could not open file
>> /var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_source_Sources
>> - open (2 No such file or directory)
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Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything

[Rob Farmer]

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:12, Jerry  wrote:
> Really! When did "r...@freebsd.org" drop the port? If he is not
> actively maintaining the port then perhaps he should inform the proper
> authority.

"He" is a mailing list.

ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade/Makefile
Revision 1.256
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Log:
- Drop maintainership to ruby@

Beyond this point virtually no development has happened. The
sourceforge project hasn't been updated since around that time and
there are open PRs over two years old. Unfortuantely, FreeBSD has a
lot of these niche mailing lists that virtually nobody reads but have
PRs auto-assigned to them, effectively acting as a black hole.
freebsd-rc is one of the worst offenders - other than Doug Barton,
there don't seem to be any developers involved there and it has a
massive buildup of unreviewed patches.

So I would say portupgrade is unmaintained and thus encourage people
to move to portmaster.

-- 
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(no subject)

[wayne mitchell]

  BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }hey
 i am trying to set up a private network for using freebsd (private
as in off-line)
 i have a windows machine with on-line connection
 i would like to get a hold of the 8.1 CURRENT 'distfiles' (complete
- at least with latest versions only of each port/file)
 however,  when making calculations for downloading the complete
distfiles  directory via anonymous ftp it works out to be a 50 day
operation (a few  hours each day)
 of course there are many earlier version files that may not be
required - in some cases in multiples of tens - which adds up 
 is there a source that makes dvd images of the distfile directory
that i can get a hold of
 if so , please give details - happy to pay a few bucks
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Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 06:58:45PM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:41:06 -0800, Chip Camden  
> wrote:
> > I'm not here to bash desktop environments, I seriously want to know you use 
> > them to
> > improve productivity.
> 
> Yes, would be interesting to know. Not that I deny it - I just have
> no evidence from my experience and observations on how this could
> be achieved.

I think that, in most cases, the people who use KDE and GNOME are just
taking the trade-off opposite to the one I take.

I choose a little up-front learning curve for massive efficiency and
productivity enhancements down the road.  The increased efficiency of a
minimal, composable toolset driven by the keyboard can be a huge win in
long-term productivity for one motivated to learn how to use it, as well
as a major savings on system resources (and hardware costs, since
upgrades do not need to happen as often, nor be as cutting-edge).

Others choose some inefficiency in the long run to avoid having to learn
anything new up front.  The increased discoverability, at least for
simple tasks, of a point-and-click interface tends to seem more
"intuitive" and familiar to people just coming to a new system for the
first time, makes task completion easier to figure out the first time
(and the thirtieth, since point-and-click interfaces tend to require
figuring out the same tasks over and over again).


> 
> > Now I find that any time I reach for the mouse, I'm slowing myself down.
> 
> A TrackPoint (the little joystick-like pointing device located
> in the middle of the keyboard) seems to be a good repacement
> for a regular mouse, and in any case for fingerslime glidepads.

I use a ThinkPad regularly.  Sometimes, it's nice to have a separate
mouse.  Even when using the TrackPoint, though, I'm still much slower
than when using a well-designed keyboard driven interface.  It takes
longer for me to swing my mouse pointer from the side of the screen to a
given link on-screen, then left click it, than it does for me to type
"f37" in Firefox+Vimperator, "fas" in Chromium+Vimium, or "fl37" in uzbl.

Also of interest, Chromium loads the page on the other side of that link
in about 75% of the time it takes Firefox to load it, and uzbl loads it
in about 33% of the time it takes Chromium to load it.


> 
> > It's more efficient to use the keyboard even to switch focused windows
> > or to follow links in a browser (provided that the window manager and
> > browser are equipped with usable shortcuts).
> 
> Important point! But in reality you see keyboard support more
> and more left out for the GUI programs - allthough they COULD
> provide good keyboard support. WindowMaker (as a window manager)
> and Opera (as a web browser) are, in my experience, examples
> of how to combine good keyboard support with good mouse support.

Vimperator and Vimium do much better jobs of combining those capabilities
in my experience (for Firefox and Chromium, respectively).  While uzbl
does not do as good a job of combining those approaches, it does a good
enough job at the keyboard-driven stuff that it is a very rare case when
using the TrackPoint would make more sense -- and, when it does make more
sense, uzbl's mouse-driven interface support works fine.

I used to use WindowMaker all the time.  I switched to Sawfish when I
disocovered that it required less configuration to fit my particular
needs, though WindowMaker had been "close enough" that making the
requisite configuration changes was not a huge burden.  I switched to
AHWM when I discovered it, because it required almost zero configuration
to make it suit my needs pretty much exactly.

I have experimented with a couple of other window managers since adopting
AHWM, but nothing has quite served to entice me away.


> 
> > I use a tiling wm (xmonad) to maximize visibility, real estate usage, and
> > navigability.  No overlapping windows unless I say so.
> 
> Tiling window managers, as I've often seen, seem to be the choice
> of the advanced / professional users. Sadly, their magic didn't
> open up to me yet. :-)

If you're inclined toward minimalism, productivity enhancement, and
efficiency, and do not mind editing configuration files by hand, but have
not really clicked with tiling window managers, you might want to give
AHWM a try.  It's in FreeBSD ports.


> 
> Coming back to your initial statement: For users EXPECTING something
> to act in a specific way, KDE and Gnome really "boost" their
> productivity, as it doesn't force them to question or relearn
> things they take for granted.

That's a pretty good summary, minus some of the implications, of what I
said at the beginning of this email.

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Re: ZFS License and Future

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 05:17:19PM +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 06/11/2010 16:10, Chad Perrin wrote:
> >   Will Oracle lawyers
> > find some patent related to the creation of that software the company
> > "owns" and use that to sue you if you fork the project to ensure the
> > survival of your own development projects?  It seems somewhat likely,
> > somehow.
> 
> Oracle couldn't sue for patent violations on software that they (or
> their predecessors) had released and that people were using as-is.
> That's legitimate use under license from the software's originators.

How long are you planning to use it as-is, without making any changes, if
Oracle ceases support for an open source version?


> 
> Nor could they sue successfully over some completely novel
> implementation that avoided patented areas.

1. That's kind of irrelevant to my point.

2. That is prone to being a lot of work to end up with something
suboptimal -- unless you're talking about using something other than
Oracle software, in which case you're just agreeing with me at this
point.


> 
> An interesting question is: could they sue over use of patented feature
> 'foo' in a forked copy of the software, where the code implementing
> 'foo' was still identical to the original version and where any
> substantial novel work was on other, unpatented, areas?  This flies in
> the face of the original intent of granting patents; that innovators
> should be able to claim the benefits of their own work in order that
> innovation be encouraged.

The original intent of granting patents:

1. has not been in evidence in the patent system for a century or so

2. has largely been proven bogus, to anyone willing to consider the
evidence


> 
> I doubt that any free software project would have sufficient funds to
> pursue such a case through the courts.

This is the problem.


> 
> I take comfort from the example of OpenBSD and CARP vs. Cisco and HSRP.
>  Open source projects have been here before, and survived by doing what
> open source projects do best: writing code.

Some have.  Others have folded under the pressure.  That latter case is
why people worry about it -- and why they tend to prefer to use stuff
that is not in danger of unpleasant lawsuits in the first place.

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Re: (no subject)

[Gary Gatten]

A few hrs each day for 50 days? What kind of internet connection do you have?  
If you can't find other options I'll get you what you need for "a few bucks", 
just enough to cover postage and what not.

- Original Message -
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org 
To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org 
Sent: Sun Nov 07 11:37:11 2010
Subject: (no subject)

  BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }hey
 i am trying to set up a private network for using freebsd (private
as in off-line)
 i have a windows machine with on-line connection
 i would like to get a hold of the 8.1 CURRENT 'distfiles' (complete
- at least with latest versions only of each port/file)
 however,  when making calculations for downloading the complete
distfiles  directory via anonymous ftp it works out to be a 50 day
operation (a few  hours each day)
 of course there are many earlier version files that may not be
required - in some cases in multiples of tens - which adds up 
 is there a source that makes dvd images of the distfile directory
that i can get a hold of
 if so , please give details - happy to pay a few bucks
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py-gtk install hangs

[Chad Perrin]

I've tried installing the py-gtk port a couple of times now with the same
result each time:

checking if C preprocessor likes IDL... yes
checking if C preprocessor can read from stdin... yes
checking how to ignore standard include path...

At this point, it hangs indefinitely.  If I kill it with Ctrl-C, I get
this output:

sed: confdefs.h: No such file or directory
===>  Script "configure" failed unexpectedly.

It also suggests I use gnomelogalyzer.sh to diagnose the problem, but
before I bother I'd like to know if this is a known issue with an easy
fix.  Anyone?

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OK, now perl won't install...

[Ron (Lists)]

Based on advice to switch to portmaster from portupgrade, I am now 
having a problem with perl. When I went to upgrade a perl package, it 
re-installed perl, but fail (and removed perl).  I am getting this 
message:


===>  perl-5.8.9_3 : Your apache does not support DSO modules.

I have tried to configure and upgrade apache but get this message;

/usr/local/sbin/apxs: not found
"/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.apache.mk", line 245: warning: 
"/usr/local/sbin/apxs -q MPM_NAME" returned non-zero status


How do I upgrade apache (or is this something else going wrong)?

Help!  My system is really screwed up without perl running.

Ron

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/usr/local/sbin/apxs is missing.

[Ron (Lists)]

Still trying to unscrew my perl installation.  Perl and Apache both 
fail to install due to the missing /usr/local/sbin/apxs.  I have no 
idea what failed package removed it, but now I can't install perl.


Who installs this file?  It appears to be an apache file, but I can't 
install apache because it's missing.


I'm really dead in the water because so much the system requires perl 
and it was uninstalled by portmaster (for some reason I don't 
understand) and I can't install it due to the missing file.


Ron

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uzbl

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Chad Perrin on Sunday, 07 November 2010:


> 
> Also of interest, Chromium loads the page on the other side of that link
> in about 75% of the time it takes Firefox to load it, and uzbl loads it
> in about 33% of the time it takes Chromium to load it.
> 
> 
> > 
> > > It's more efficient to use the keyboard even to switch focused windows
> > > or to follow links in a browser (provided that the window manager and
> > > browser are equipped with usable shortcuts).
> > 
> > Important point! But in reality you see keyboard support more
> > and more left out for the GUI programs - allthough they COULD
> > provide good keyboard support. WindowMaker (as a window manager)
> > and Opera (as a web browser) are, in my experience, examples
> > of how to combine good keyboard support with good mouse support.
> 
> Vimperator and Vimium do much better jobs of combining those capabilities
> in my experience (for Firefox and Chromium, respectively).  While uzbl
> does not do as good a job of combining those approaches, it does a good
> enough job at the keyboard-driven stuff that it is a very rare case when
> using the TrackPoint would make more sense -- and, when it does make more
> sense, uzbl's mouse-driven interface support works fine.
> 

> 
> -- 
> Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]

How do you start uzbl?  It installed fine for me, but I keep getting core
dumps when I run it.  There is no 'uzbl' anywhere in the path, so I tried
'uzbl-browser' and 'uzbl-tabbed'.  For 'uzbl-browser' it brings up the
initial screen OK, but typing 'fl' crashes it.

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Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??

[Bruce Cran]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:51:22 -0700
Chad Perrin  wrote:

> I choose a little up-front learning curve for massive efficiency and
> productivity enhancements down the road.  The increased efficiency of
> a minimal, composable toolset driven by the keyboard can be a huge
> win in long-term productivity for one motivated to learn how to use
> it, as well as a major savings on system resources (and hardware
> costs, since upgrades do not need to happen as often, nor be as
> cutting-edge).
> 
> Others choose some inefficiency in the long run to avoid having to
> learn anything new up front.  The increased discoverability, at least
> for simple tasks, of a point-and-click interface tends to seem more
> "intuitive" and familiar to people just coming to a new system for the
> first time, makes task completion easier to figure out the first time
> (and the thirtieth, since point-and-click interfaces tend to require
> figuring out the same tasks over and over again).

With the command-line you also choose the inefficiency of having to
read the man page every time you want to do something you're not
familiar with. Well-designed UIs allow you to easily discover how to do
it without resorting to the Help file - and since people tend to have
good visual memories they can remember it better than a string of
characters. A good example of this is Subversion tagging/branching: in
Windows I can use the menu option "TortoiseSVN -> branch/tag..." to
create a branch and have it done in a minute. Using the command-line
I'd have to spend time reading up on the commandline parameters to
achieve the same thing, since it's something I only do about once a
year or so.

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Re: /usr/local/sbin/apxs is missing.

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi,

"Ron (Lists)" wrote:
> Still trying to unscrew my perl installation.  Perl and Apache both 
> fail to install due to the missing /usr/local/sbin/apxs.  I have no 
> idea what failed package removed it, but now I can't install perl.
> 
> Who installs this file?

cd /pri/FreeBSD/releases/current/ports  # or eg cd /usr/ports 
find . -type f -name pkg-plist | xargs grep sbin/apxs


+ There's useful progs here:
cd /usr/sbin ; echo *pkg*
pkg_add pkg_create pkg_delete pkg_info pkg_updating pkg_version
with man command for those, 

+ exploration in /var/db/pkg you'll be able to analyse & solve it all.
PS if you start having problems with libs too, try eg ldconfig -R


> It appears to be an apache file, but I can't 
> install apache because it's missing.
> 
> I'm really dead in the water because so much the system requires perl 
> and it was uninstalled by portmaster (for some reason I don't 
> understand) and I can't install it due to the missing file.


Cheers,
Julian
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Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Bruce Cran on Sunday, 07 November 2010:
> On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:51:22 -0700
> Chad Perrin  wrote:
> 
> > I choose a little up-front learning curve for massive efficiency and
> > productivity enhancements down the road.  The increased efficiency of
> > a minimal, composable toolset driven by the keyboard can be a huge
> > win in long-term productivity for one motivated to learn how to use
> > it, as well as a major savings on system resources (and hardware
> > costs, since upgrades do not need to happen as often, nor be as
> > cutting-edge).
> > 
> > Others choose some inefficiency in the long run to avoid having to
> > learn anything new up front.  The increased discoverability, at least
> > for simple tasks, of a point-and-click interface tends to seem more
> > "intuitive" and familiar to people just coming to a new system for the
> > first time, makes task completion easier to figure out the first time
> > (and the thirtieth, since point-and-click interfaces tend to require
> > figuring out the same tasks over and over again).
> 
> With the command-line you also choose the inefficiency of having to
> read the man page every time you want to do something you're not
> familiar with. Well-designed UIs allow you to easily discover how to do
> it without resorting to the Help file - and since people tend to have
> good visual memories they can remember it better than a string of
> characters. A good example of this is Subversion tagging/branching: in
> Windows I can use the menu option "TortoiseSVN -> branch/tag..." to
> create a branch and have it done in a minute. Using the command-line
> I'd have to spend time reading up on the commandline parameters to
> achieve the same thing, since it's something I only do about once a
> year or so.
> 
> -- 
> Bruce Cran

Up to a point, yes.  But as options become more complex, either the GUI
must also become more complex or you reach the tipping point where the
complexity warrants the use of language instead of gestures.

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Re: ZFS License and Future

[Chris Brennan]

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Chad Perrin  wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 05:17:19PM +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> > On 06/11/2010 16:10, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > >   Will Oracle lawyers
> > > find some patent related to the creation of that software the company
> > > "owns" and use that to sue you if you fork the project to ensure the
> > > survival of your own development projects?  It seems somewhat likely,
> > > somehow.
> >
> > Oracle couldn't sue for patent violations on software that they (or
> > their predecessors) had released and that people were using as-is.
> > That's legitimate use under license from the software's originators.
>
> How long are you planning to use it as-is, without making any changes, if
> Oracle ceases support for an open source version?
>
>
> >
> > Nor could they sue successfully over some completely novel
> > implementation that avoided patented areas.
>
> 1. That's kind of irrelevant to my point.
>
> 2. That is prone to being a lot of work to end up with something
> suboptimal -- unless you're talking about using something other than
> Oracle software, in which case you're just agreeing with me at this
> point.
>
>
> >
> > An interesting question is: could they sue over use of patented feature
> > 'foo' in a forked copy of the software, where the code implementing
> > 'foo' was still identical to the original version and where any
> > substantial novel work was on other, unpatented, areas?  This flies in
> > the face of the original intent of granting patents; that innovators
> > should be able to claim the benefits of their own work in order that
> > innovation be encouraged.
>
> The original intent of granting patents:
>
> 1. has not been in evidence in the patent system for a century or so
>
> 2. has largely been proven bogus, to anyone willing to consider the
> evidence
>
>
> >
> > I doubt that any free software project would have sufficient funds to
> > pursue such a case through the courts.
>
> This is the problem.
>
>
> >
> > I take comfort from the example of OpenBSD and CARP vs. Cisco and HSRP.
> >  Open source projects have been here before, and survived by doing what
> > open source projects do best: writing code.
>
> Some have.  Others have folded under the pressure.  That latter case is
> why people worry about it -- and why they tend to prefer to use stuff
> that is not in danger of unpleasant lawsuits in the first place.
>
> --
> Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]
>



There are documented cases where the big bad business reared it's ugly head
(AOL/Time Warner) and unleashed it's guard dogs (lawyers)on the masses. Such
case is GAIM (original intent was Gnome Aim I believe, a jab at AIM and a
functional name for a port/fork). But when T.W. acquired AOL and GAIM all of
the sudden was on there radar and the GAIM project faced a similar lawsuite,
because of the name being to close to a closed-source equivalent. GAIM's
solution as I am sure everyone is aware was to change there name frrom GAIM
to Pidgin. This occurred w/ the 2.0 version of GAIM, which was subsequently
renamed to Pidgin. In Pidgin's case tho, they contained no proprietary
software as AOL/T.W wasn't concerned about the 'oscar' protocol. As long as
people used the protocol, they didn't care how you got on.

So basically if comes down to something like this. If OOo.3.2.1 stops there,
what is already released remains unchanged, too many people have or can
easily get a copy of the source as is. It is not in Oracles best interests
to search for and destroy every person in the would who has a copy of it
*BEFORE* it went Closed-Source. The danger comes in the name ... hence
DocumentFoundation.Org. It is DF's hopes that Oracle will get wise and gift
the name to the foundation and we can continue to have a function project w/
a wise name. Everyone knows what OpenOffice is, including my college
professors, hell even my Girlfriend knows what it is and she isn't all that
into computers  LibreOffice (Libre is Latin for free) is a functional
name as is (personally I don't like the name, but I hated StarOffice's name
too!) and has potential. But DF faces an uphill battle in re-educating the
world that LibreOffice is OpenOffice under a new name.

So the legal end isn't all that hard to figure out. the OOo.3 devs have
taken care of that setting up DF. It's just a matter of figuring out the
logistics of the name. The same would apply to any other product that Oracle
has acquired and is in danger of getting it's head chopped off for the
benefit of it's owners pocket.

Did you know...

If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
but what's worse is when you play it forward
  ...it installs Windows 2000

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Re: ZFS License and Future

[Jerry]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:45:07 -0500
Chris Brennan  articulated:

> LibreOffice (Libre is Latin for free) is a functional
> name as is (personally I don't like the name, but I hated
> StarOffice's name too!) and has potential. But DF faces an uphill
> battle in re-educating the world that LibreOffice is OpenOffice under
> a new name.

I tend to disagree with your assessment there. OO has never really
progressed passed being a poor copy of MS Office 97. Tieing the new
nomenclature to the old product might prove counter productive. I know
several users who would avoid it just on that basis alone. A new name
with the appropriate PR might prove to be a boon for the product. I do
agree that the new name is lacking though. Obviously, no real thought
went into choosing a new product name. Unfortunate indeed.

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Re: Anybody know apt-get ?

[Ronald F. Guilmette]

In message <20101107140353.5...@unknown>, you wrote:

>On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:52:00 -0500
>Chris Brennan  wrote:
>
>> I am going to take a stab in the dark here and suggest that some sort
>> of db needs to be built for apt ... clues in the part /var/db..
>> (man apt-get?)
>
>"apt-get update"

Well, um,  not having anything really to lose, I su'd to root and
tried the above command.

The resulting output does not look encouraging:

% apt-get update
Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick Release.gpg [198B]
Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick Release [39.8kB]
Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick Release
Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/main Packages
  404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.169 80]
Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/restricted Packages
  404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.169 80]
Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/contrib Packages
  404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.169 80]
Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/non-free Packages
  404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.169 80]
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Re: FreeBSD as a xen host

[RW]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:28:06 -0600
Adam Vande More  wrote:

> You may wish to read that page again.  Dom0 support doesn't exist in
> FreeBSD, and paravirt domU is sketchy at best.

The page says:

   "The port will only run as a guest (ie. domU) right now, on i386/PAE
   platforms."

which is open to misinterpretation. Perhaps someone with an account
could change it to something clearer such as: 

   "The port will only run as a guest (ie. domU) right now, and only on
   i386/PAE platforms."
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Re: ZFS License and Future

[Randal L. Schwartz]

> "Chip" == Chip Camden  writes:

Chip> I hope it's more than wishful thinking on their part.  I would trust
Chip> Oracle to keep "hands off" for precisely as long as they do not perceive
Chip> any reason to put "hands on".

Understood... clearly, the suits can do whatever they want whenever they
want as long as it's in the shareholders interest, but the VirtualBox
guys are getting assurance from on high that they'll be left mostly alone.

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Re: Certification

[Balázs Mátéffy]

Hi,

You can find all the information here:

http://www.bsdcertification.org/


Regards,

MB.
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Re: Anybody know apt-get ?

[Ronald F. Guilmette]

In message <20101107155831.67847.qm...@joyce.lan>, 
John Levine  wrote:

>In article <24360.1289127...@tristatelogic.com> you write:
>>I need to get sources for the Linux version of certain programs that
>>reside in a package called "bsdutils".
>
>So get them, already.  No need to screw around with Linux binary
>installers, particularly not on the FreeBSD list:
>
>http://packages.debian.org/lenny/bsdutils

Thank you John, I was not aware of this resource.

I now have what I need.


Regards,
rfg


P.S.  I am guessing that you are aware that I still get "Logic
Error" whenever I send mail to iecc.com (and I have been unable
to reply to Neil on account of that).  But on the off chance that
this was unintentional, I mention it again, in case you might be
inclined to rectify.  (I also guess that I am no longer on the
spamtools list, correct?)
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Re: (no subject)

[perryh]

wayne mitchell  wrote:

>  i would like to get a hold of the 8.1 CURRENT 'distfiles' ...
>  is there a source that makes dvd images of the distfile directory

http://on-disk.com/cms/index.php?wiki=CustomDisc
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Re: py-gtk install hangs

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Chad Perrin on Sunday, 07 November 2010:
> I've tried installing the py-gtk port a couple of times now with the same
> result each time:
> 
> checking if C preprocessor likes IDL... yes
> checking if C preprocessor can read from stdin... yes
> checking how to ignore standard include path...
> 
> At this point, it hangs indefinitely.  If I kill it with Ctrl-C, I get
> this output:
> 
> sed: confdefs.h: No such file or directory
> ===>  Script "configure" failed unexpectedly.
> 
> It also suggests I use gnomelogalyzer.sh to diagnose the problem, but
> before I bother I'd like to know if this is a known issue with an easy
> fix.  Anyone?
> 
> -- 
> Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]


I just tried it, and mine is hung there now.  Not drawing any apparent
processor or disk load.  I'll leave it sitting there and see what else I
can figure out.

It's actually in the configure phase of the ORBit port, on which py-gtk
apparently depends.

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Re: py-gtk install hangs

[Chris Brennan]

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Chip Camden wrote:

>
>
> I just tried it, and mine is hung there now.  Not drawing any apparent
> processor or disk load.  I'll leave it sitting there and see what else I
> can figure out.
>
> It's actually in the configure phase of the ORBit port, on which py-gtk
> apparently depends.
>
>
I just looked at my ports and I only see this

Port:   x11-toolkits/py-gtkscintilla
Moved:
Date:   2009-11-30
Reason: Has expired: no longer under development, last release in 2002

Did you know...

If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
but what's worse is when you play it forward
  ...it installs Windows 2000

   -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org

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Re: py-gtk install hangs

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Chris Brennan on Sunday, 07 November 2010:
> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Chip Camden 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I just tried it, and mine is hung there now.  Not drawing any apparent
> > processor or disk load.  I'll leave it sitting there and see what else I
> > can figure out.
> >
> > It's actually in the configure phase of the ORBit port, on which py-gtk
> > apparently depends.
> >
> >
> I just looked at my ports and I only see this
> 
> Port:   x11-toolkits/py-gtkscintilla
> Moved:
> Date:   2009-11-30
> Reason: Has expired: no longer under development, last release in 2002
> 

???

I have x11-toolkits/py-gtk, among others.  Are you doing a directory
listing of /usr/ports/x11-toolkits, or are you obtaining this information
some other way?

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Re: py-gtk install hangs

[Chris Brennan]

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Chip Camden wrote:

> Quoth Chris Brennan on Sunday, 07 November 2010:
> > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Chip Camden  >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I just tried it, and mine is hung there now.  Not drawing any apparent
> > > processor or disk load.  I'll leave it sitting there and see what else
> I
> > > can figure out.
> > >
> > > It's actually in the configure phase of the ORBit port, on which py-gtk
> > > apparently depends.
> > >
> > >
> > I just looked at my ports and I only see this
> >
> > Port:   x11-toolkits/py-gtkscintilla
> > Moved:
> > Date:   2009-11-30
> > Reason: Has expired: no longer under development, last release in 2002
> >
>
> ???
>
> I have x11-toolkits/py-gtk, among others.  Are you doing a directory
> listing of /usr/ports/x11-toolkits, or are you obtaining this information
> some other way?
>
>
"cd /usr/ports; make search name=py-gtk" and it returned one result ... are
you using an up to date snapshot? try 'portsnap fetch extract update'

incidentally if I grep the dir for py-gtk I get the following results

[r...@blackdragon [/usr/ports]# lsl x11-toolkits/ | grep py-gtk
 2 drwxr-xr-x3 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtk
 2 drwxr-xr-x3 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtk2
 2 drwxr-xr-x2 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtkextra
 2 drwxr-xr-x2 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtkglext
 2 drwxr-xr-x2 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtksourceview
[r...@blackdragon [/usr/ports]#

for shiggles, I shall try and build it manually and see where I get on this
 if more then one of us do encounter the same stop then something
upstream must be broke and we should try and track down where and report it
to the port maintainer.

Did you know...

If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
but what's worse is when you play it forward
  ...it installs Windows 2000

   -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org

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Re: py-gtk install hangs

[Chris Brennan]

Did you know...

If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
but what's worse is when you play it forward
  ...it installs Windows 2000

   -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org





On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chris Brennan  wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Chip Camden 
> wrote:
>
>> Quoth Chris Brennan on Sunday, 07 November 2010:
>> > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Chip Camden <
>> sterl...@camdensoftware.com>wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I just tried it, and mine is hung there now.  Not drawing any apparent
>> > > processor or disk load.  I'll leave it sitting there and see what else
>> I
>> > > can figure out.
>> > >
>> > > It's actually in the configure phase of the ORBit port, on which
>> py-gtk
>> > > apparently depends.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > I just looked at my ports and I only see this
>> >
>> > Port:   x11-toolkits/py-gtkscintilla
>> > Moved:
>> > Date:   2009-11-30
>> > Reason: Has expired: no longer under development, last release in 2002
>> >
>>
>> ???
>>
>> I have x11-toolkits/py-gtk, among others.  Are you doing a directory
>> listing of /usr/ports/x11-toolkits, or are you obtaining this information
>> some other way?
>>
>>
> "cd /usr/ports; make search name=py-gtk" and it returned one result ... are
> you using an up to date snapshot? try 'portsnap fetch extract update'
>
> incidentally if I grep the dir for py-gtk I get the following results
>
> [r...@blackdragon [/usr/ports]# lsl x11-toolkits/ | grep py-gtk
>  2 drwxr-xr-x3 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtk
>  2 drwxr-xr-x3 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtk2
>  2 drwxr-xr-x2 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtkextra
>  2 drwxr-xr-x2 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtkglext
>  2 drwxr-xr-x2 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtksourceview
> [r...@blackdragon [/usr/ports]#
>
> for shiggles, I shall try and build it manually and see where I get on this
>  if more then one of us do encounter the same stop then something
> upstream must be broke and we should try and track down where and report it
> to the port maintainer.
>
>
> Did you know...
>
> If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
> but what's worse is when you play it forward
>   ...it installs Windows 2000
>
>
>-- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org 
> 
>
>
>
Make revealed the following for me (on my fbsd64-8.1 install on my laptop
(running a gui env))

[r...@blackdragon [/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-gtk]# make

===>  py26-gtk-0.6.11_10 conflicts with installed package(s):
  py26-gobject-2.21.1
  py26-gtk-2.17.0_4

  They install files into the same place.
  Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1).
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-gtk.
[r...@blackdragon [/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-gtk]#

Did you try and build x11-toolkits/py-gtk2?
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Re: py-gtk install hangs

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Chris Brennan on Sunday, 07 November 2010:
> Did you know...
> 
> If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
> but what's worse is when you play it forward
>   ...it installs Windows 2000
> 
>-- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chris Brennan  wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Chip Camden 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Quoth Chris Brennan on Sunday, 07 November 2010:
> >> > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Chip Camden <
> >> sterl...@camdensoftware.com>wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I just tried it, and mine is hung there now.  Not drawing any apparent
> >> > > processor or disk load.  I'll leave it sitting there and see what else
> >> I
> >> > > can figure out.
> >> > >
> >> > > It's actually in the configure phase of the ORBit port, on which
> >> py-gtk
> >> > > apparently depends.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > I just looked at my ports and I only see this
> >> >
> >> > Port:   x11-toolkits/py-gtkscintilla
> >> > Moved:
> >> > Date:   2009-11-30
> >> > Reason: Has expired: no longer under development, last release in 2002
> >> >
> >>
> >> ???
> >>
> >> I have x11-toolkits/py-gtk, among others.  Are you doing a directory
> >> listing of /usr/ports/x11-toolkits, or are you obtaining this information
> >> some other way?
> >>
> >>
> > "cd /usr/ports; make search name=py-gtk" and it returned one result ... are
> > you using an up to date snapshot? try 'portsnap fetch extract update'
> >
> > incidentally if I grep the dir for py-gtk I get the following results
> >
> > [r...@blackdragon [/usr/ports]# lsl x11-toolkits/ | grep py-gtk
> >  2 drwxr-xr-x3 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtk
> >  2 drwxr-xr-x3 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtk2
> >  2 drwxr-xr-x2 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtkextra
> >  2 drwxr-xr-x2 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtkglext
> >  2 drwxr-xr-x2 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtksourceview
> > [r...@blackdragon [/usr/ports]#
> >
> > for shiggles, I shall try and build it manually and see where I get on this
> >  if more then one of us do encounter the same stop then something
> > upstream must be broke and we should try and track down where and report it
> > to the port maintainer.
> >
> >
> > Did you know...
> >
> > If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
> > but what's worse is when you play it forward
> >   ...it installs Windows 2000
> >
> >
> >-- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org 
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> Make revealed the following for me (on my fbsd64-8.1 install on my laptop
> (running a gui env))
> 
> [r...@blackdragon [/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-gtk]# make
> 
> ===>  py26-gtk-0.6.11_10 conflicts with installed package(s):
>   py26-gobject-2.21.1
>   py26-gtk-2.17.0_4
> 
>   They install files into the same place.
>   Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1).
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-gtk.
> [r...@blackdragon [/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-gtk]#
> 
> Did you try and build x11-toolkits/py-gtk2?
> ___

No, I did not.  Nor did I get this error.  I can reproduce the problem
just by trying to build devel/ORBit

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Re: py-gtk install hangs

[Chris Brennan]

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Chip Camden wrote:

> Quoth Chris Brennan on Sunday, 07 November 2010:
> > Did you know...
> >
> > If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
> > but what's worse is when you play it forward
> >   ...it installs Windows 2000
> >
> >-- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chris Brennan 
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Chip Camden <
> sterl...@camdensoftware.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >> Quoth Chris Brennan on Sunday, 07 November 2010:
> > >> > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Chip Camden <
> > >> sterl...@camdensoftware.com>wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I just tried it, and mine is hung there now.  Not drawing any
> apparent
> > >> > > processor or disk load.  I'll leave it sitting there and see what
> else
> > >> I
> > >> > > can figure out.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > It's actually in the configure phase of the ORBit port, on which
> > >> py-gtk
> > >> > > apparently depends.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > I just looked at my ports and I only see this
> > >> >
> > >> > Port:   x11-toolkits/py-gtkscintilla
> > >> > Moved:
> > >> > Date:   2009-11-30
> > >> > Reason: Has expired: no longer under development, last release in
> 2002
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> ???
> > >>
> > >> I have x11-toolkits/py-gtk, among others.  Are you doing a directory
> > >> listing of /usr/ports/x11-toolkits, or are you obtaining this
> information
> > >> some other way?
> > >>
> > >>
> > > "cd /usr/ports; make search name=py-gtk" and it returned one result ...
> are
> > > you using an up to date snapshot? try 'portsnap fetch extract update'
> > >
> > > incidentally if I grep the dir for py-gtk I get the following results
> > >
> > > [r...@blackdragon [/usr/ports]# lsl x11-toolkits/ | grep py-gtk
> > >  2 drwxr-xr-x3 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtk
> > >  2 drwxr-xr-x3 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtk2
> > >  2 drwxr-xr-x2 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtkextra
> > >  2 drwxr-xr-x2 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtkglext
> > >  2 drwxr-xr-x2 root  wheel   512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtksourceview
> > > [r...@blackdragon [/usr/ports]#
> > >
> > > for shiggles, I shall try and build it manually and see where I get on
> this
> > >  if more then one of us do encounter the same stop then something
> > > upstream must be broke and we should try and track down where and
> report it
> > > to the port maintainer.
> > >
> > >
> > > Did you know...
> > >
> > > If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
> > > but what's worse is when you play it forward
> > >   ...it installs Windows 2000
> > >
> > >
> > >-- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org <
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Make revealed the following for me (on my fbsd64-8.1 install on my laptop
> > (running a gui env))
> >
> > [r...@blackdragon [/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-gtk]# make
> >
> > ===>  py26-gtk-0.6.11_10 conflicts with installed package(s):
> >   py26-gobject-2.21.1
> >   py26-gtk-2.17.0_4
> >
> >   They install files into the same place.
> >   Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1).
> > *** Error code 1
> >
> > Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-gtk.
> > [r...@blackdragon [/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-gtk]#
> >
> > Did you try and build x11-toolkits/py-gtk2?
> > ___
>
> No, I did not.  Nor did I get this error.  I can reproduce the problem
> just by trying to build devel/ORBit
>
> --
>
I have been sucked into my mmo for the evening :D I shall embark on a sample
build of ORBit tomorrow between classes and see where I get.
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DNS/pings/IPs/ OR pfSense: kwik one....

[Gary Kline]

After several tries, it looks like my MX (ethic)
cannot have the same IP as ns1.  I found two pingable 
IP's (of 5); only two are pingable. 209.180.213.209 and 
209.180.213.214. Anybody know enough about pfSense to
assist in getting the other three IP's to respond?

gary

(yes, of coarse I've googled and checked the pfSense
list/forum.  Zero.)

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Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything

[Warren Block]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Ron (Lists) wrote:

I'm trying to upgrade my ports and I can't get portupgrade to do anything.  I 
type 'sudo portupgrade apache' (or any package) and all I get back is a 
command prompt.  No error or any other message.  portversion seems to work 
correctly, showing my out of date ports, etc.


Is apache outdated?  portupgrade won't update a port that's already at 
the current version unless you force it with -f.



Running portupgrade with -F doesn't help at all.


Well, no.  -F means to only download distfiles.

I've also noticed that tab-expansion isn't working like it used to on 
the port names, so that makes me wonder if the database is screwed up.


Filename completion is a function of the shell.  I try it accidentally 
from time to time with port names because it just would make sense to 
work, but it has never worked because they don't exist as files. 
'portupgrade -r gcc' followed by Tab doesn't complete because there 
isn't a file named gcc-4.4.6.20101026 in the path (although they are in 
/var/db/pkg).


Fortunately, name completion is not needed because portupgrade uses the 
pkg_name as a glob anyway.


My portupgrade article:
http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/portupgrade.html

If that doesn't do it, please show what
  portversion -vl'<'
shows for apache.
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Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything

[Warren Block]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Polytropon wrote:


On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:21:22 -0800, "Ron (Lists)"  wrote:

I'm trying to upgrade my ports and I can't get portupgrade to do
anything.  I type 'sudo portupgrade apache' (or any package) and all I
get back is a command prompt.  No error or any other message.
portversion seems to work correctly, showing my out of date ports, etc.


You need to be in /usr/ports and then issue the port name together
with the category; in your case:

% cd /usr/ports
% sudo portupgrade www/apache


For shell filename completion to work, that is.  portupgrade doesn't 
care about the current directory.

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Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything

[Warren Block]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Ron (Lists) wrote:


None of these suggestions help.  I have never had to put www/ in front
of the port name before.


It's not needed.

The tab expansion is handled by bash-completion as used to be smart 
enough to know the command I was typing and could auto-complete port 
names, but no longer, which is why I suspect that I have a screwed up 
database.


No, more likely your path changed and left out /var/db/pkg.  This is not 
needed anyway, since the pkg_name is a glob:

  portupgrade -r apache
will upgrade all ports starting with "apache".  The -r is something I 
suggest using regularly with portupgrade.

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Re: portmaster question

[Warren Block]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Polytropon wrote:


On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:21:59 -0700, Fred  wrote:

Hello,

According to man portmaster the -a option will "Update all ports that
need updating".  Does this apply to only installed ports or to
everything in /usr/ports?


It applies to installed ports. A commonly used command to
upgrade them is "portupgrad -af".


Whoa--hold on there!

portmaster -a
portupgrade -a

Both say "upgrade all installed ports that need upgrading".  Both can 
fail, but many people use them routinely.


portupgrade -af

means to force an upgrade of every installed port, even if it's already 
at the latest version.  Don't do this lightly!

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Re: portmaster question

[Warren Block]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Jerry wrote:


When using 'portupgrade', I commonly use the '-r' flag in conjunction
with the previously discussed '-a' flag. While not as through as the
"-u -p" flags with 'portmanger', it does accomplish its goal.


Isn't portupgrade -a equivalent to -arR?  I hope so, or I have a 
correction to make...

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Re: py-gtk install hangs

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 08:39:55PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote:
> 
> Did you try and build x11-toolkits/py-gtk2?

That works fine for me -- including providing for the reason I needed
py-gtk in the first place.  I'm still a little curious about what's going
on with that build hang, even if it's not really important for my current
needs, though.

-- 
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Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 10:07:29PM +, Bruce Cran wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:51:22 -0700
> Chad Perrin  wrote:
> 
> > I choose a little up-front learning curve for massive efficiency and
> > productivity enhancements down the road.  The increased efficiency of
> > a minimal, composable toolset driven by the keyboard can be a huge
> > win in long-term productivity for one motivated to learn how to use
> > it, as well as a major savings on system resources (and hardware
> > costs, since upgrades do not need to happen as often, nor be as
> > cutting-edge).
> > 
> > Others choose some inefficiency in the long run to avoid having to
> > learn anything new up front.  The increased discoverability, at least
> > for simple tasks, of a point-and-click interface tends to seem more
> > "intuitive" and familiar to people just coming to a new system for the
> > first time, makes task completion easier to figure out the first time
> > (and the thirtieth, since point-and-click interfaces tend to require
> > figuring out the same tasks over and over again).
> 
> With the command-line you also choose the inefficiency of having to
> read the man page every time you want to do something you're not
> familiar with. Well-designed UIs allow you to easily discover how to do
> it without resorting to the Help file - and since people tend to have
> good visual memories they can remember it better than a string of
> characters. A good example of this is Subversion tagging/branching: in
> Windows I can use the menu option "TortoiseSVN -> branch/tag..." to
> create a branch and have it done in a minute. Using the command-line
> I'd have to spend time reading up on the commandline parameters to
> achieve the same thing, since it's something I only do about once a
> year or so.

So, let's see here -- either I lose efficiency on things that aren't very
familiar to me, because I have to type `foo --help` or `man foo` or
something like that, or I lose efficiency on things I do all the time,
because I have to mouse around a lot.

Hmm.  I wonder which I should choose.

Seriously, though, it's not like I never use GUI tools.  I occasionally
use the mouse when dealing with stuff in the browser, for instance.  I
select and middle click to paste quite a lot.  I'm not opposed to use of
the GUI per se; I just use TUIs much more often, because I use them for
tasks that I perform an awful lot if they happen to benefit (in terms of
efficiency and productivity) by the use of a TUI.  When they don't, I use
a GUI instead.

I wouldn't be willing to waste the time on little inefficiencies every
single time I did *anything* with Subversion just for the dubious benefit
of a one-time efficiency benefit once a year because I didn't remember off
the top of my head how to branch, though.  I use Mercurial a *lot*, and I
do not see much benefit to using a GUI for it just on the off-chance I
might need to do something I don't do very often when the GUI only gets
in the way for the stuff I do several times a day, every day.

I suppose your mileage may vary, though.

I did give a nod to discoverability for GUIs, as you might note if you go
back and read what you quoted back at me.  That's exactly what you're
talking about.  I don't see why you have to pretend I didn't mention it,
and try to paint the efficiencies on the other side of the trade-off as
worthless in your response.  I thought my original description of the
trade-off was pretty well balanced, despite the fact I have a preference
for one side over the other where most tasks are concerned.

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removing files

[yoganjaneyulu kasetti]

hi,

I have a problem for deleting files using scriptplease some one can
guide me for the same.

I have some files with the extension of ".chk" extension along with the
extension of ".log" and ".gjf" extension in the folder called different *input
folders. *I wanted to delete the ".chk" file extension having files. If i go
to individual input folder manually i can delete the file with *rm* command
line by but i would like to delete all the ".chk" files extension files at a
time through scripting rather than manual. So please some one help me for
the same.
/student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1249624064640*/input

/student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1261202703914*/input

/student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1263357080155*/input

/student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1289106407303*/input

thank you.

regards,
sweety.
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Re: removing files

[Adam Vande More]

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:10 AM, yoganjaneyulu kasetti <
y.emailale...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have some files with the extension of ".chk" extension along with the
> extension of ".log" and ".gjf" extension in the folder called different
> *input
> folders. *I wanted to delete the ".chk" file extension having files. If i
> go
> to individual input folder manually i can delete the file with *rm* command
> line by but i would like to delete all the ".chk" files extension files at
> a
> time through scripting rather than manual. So please some one help me for
> the same.
> /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1249624064640*/input
>
> /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1261202703914*/input
>
> /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1263357080155*/input
>
> /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1289106407303*/input
>

man find

search for -delete

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Re: removing files

[Pegasus Mc Cleaft]

On Monday 08 November 2010 06:10:20 yoganjaneyulu kasetti wrote:
> hi,
> 
> I have a problem for deleting files using scriptplease some one can
> guide me for the same.
> 
> I have some files with the extension of ".chk" extension along with the
> extension of ".log" and ".gjf" extension in the folder called different
> *input folders. *I wanted to delete the ".chk" file extension having
> files. If i go to individual input folder manually i can delete the file
> with *rm* command line by but i would like to delete all the ".chk" files
> extension files at a time through scripting rather than manual. So please
> some one help me for the same.
> /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1249624064640*/input
> 

Could you, in your script do something like: 

cd /Path_to_Data_Root
find . -name "*.chk" -print -prune -exec rm -rf {} \;

Peg
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Re: No GPT on an usb key

[Boris Samorodov]

Hi,

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:52:55 +0200 David DEMELIER wrote:

> I'm trying to put on my USB mass storage device a GPT scheme
> partitions. But gpart still add them as slices :

> To be sure to remove the MBR before I dd'ed it

> $ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da0 bs=512 count=1
> 1+0 records in
> 1+0 records out
> 512 bytes transferred in 0.003369 secs (151970 bytes/sec)
> $ sudo gpart create -s GPT da0
> da0 created
> $ gpart show da0
> =>  34  15771653  da0  GPT  (7.5G)
> 34  15771653   - free -  (7.5G)

> $ sudo gpart add -b 34 -t freebsd da0
> da0s1 added

> Why it is still s1? In my kernel config I have this :

GPART(8) may be a good start here. Ex.:
-
...
PARTITION TYPES
 The gpart utility uses symbolic names for common partition types to avoid
 that the user needs to know what the partitioning scheme in question is
 and what the actual number or identification needs to be used for a par-
 ticular type.  The gpart utility also allows the user to specify scheme-
 specific partition types for partition types that do not have symbol
 names.  The symbolic names currently understood are:
...
 freebsdA FreeBSD partition that uses the BSD disklabel to sub-
divide the partition into file systems.  This is a legacy
partition type and should not be used for the APM or GPT
schemes.  The scheme-specific types are "!165" for MBR,
"!FreeBSD" for APM, and
"!516e7cb4-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b" for GPT.
...
-

> device  crypto
> options GEOM_ELI
> options GEOM_PART_GPT
> options GEOM_LABEL
> options GEOM_VOL

> Do I need something that I forgot?

Seems you forgot to read the manual page carefully. ;-)

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