Re: HP 2010i 1600x900 screen sizing issue - PCBSD 8.1

[Michael D. Norwick]

On 12/31/2010 21:07, Michael D. Norwick wrote:

Happy New Year!

I bought a new HP 2010i LCD monitor that is supposed to give me 
1600x900 resolution at 60 Hz to replace a generic 19" C.R.T. monitor 
that did 1024x768.  The machine has an ATI Radeon video card and I am 
using a V.G.A. cable not H.D.M.I.  I reconfigured my /etc/xorg.conf 
using Xorg --configure.  I was given the full screen at 1600x900 
resolution at the next reboot but then while trying to adjust some 
monitor settings such as Power Saver and Sleep Timer the screen 
adjusted to the right and will not center.  Adjusting the horizontal 
control to '0' (full left?) will not center the display.





Sorry,  I meant to say D.V.I. (cable) not H.D.M.I.

Thanks,

Michael
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Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

[David Brodbeck]

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Da Rock
 wrote:
> Have you checked into Xen specifically and how it works? I think you're
> where I was at a while ago, and a little investigation will change your
> mind. FWIW Xen is a hypervisor, and platforms need to be able to run in it,
> not the other way around. Have a read up on it anyway.
>
> What you want I think is something like VirtualBox- comparatively slower,
> but about the best for what it is. The only other in the same league as VBox
> is linux-kvm (6:7 between them).

It's not entirely true that an OS has to have support for Xen to run
under it.  It's true for paravirtualized guests.  However, if your
hardware has VT-x support Xen can do full virtualization.  It's not as
fast as paravirtualization, but I'm successfully using it on one
system to run an unmodified Windows XP installation as a guest OS.

What's unique about VirtualBox is it can do full virtualization on old
hardware that doesn't have VT-x support.
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HP 2010i 1600x900 screen sizing issue - PCBSD 8.1

[Michael D. Norwick]

Happy New Year!

I bought a new HP 2010i LCD monitor that is supposed to give me 1600x900 
resolution at 60 Hz to replace a generic 19" C.R.T. monitor that did 
1024x768.  The machine has an ATI Radeon video card and I am using a 
V.G.A. cable not H.D.M.I.  I reconfigured my /etc/xorg.conf using Xorg 
--configure.  I was given the full screen at 1600x900 resolution at the 
next reboot but then while trying to adjust some monitor settings such 
as Power Saver and Sleep Timer the screen adjusted to the right and will 
not center.  Adjusting the horizontal control to '0' (full left?) will 
not center the display.


Futzing around, I rebuilt the kernel with;

options  X86BIOS   # x86 real mode BIOS emulator, required by 
atkbdc/dpms/vesa

devicevga   # VGA video card driver
deviceagp   # support several AGP chipsets
devicedpms# DPMS suspend & resume via VESA BIOS

among others.  I include these because I believe they are the only 
options and drivers that would affect video on this particular machine.


#>uname -ra
FreeBSD **..net 8.1-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p2 
#0: Fri Dec 31 11:51:07 CST 2010 
mich...@**..net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KERNEL_123110  i386


Using PCBSD 8.1 downloaded 10/28/2010
csup'd source and ports 12/31/2010
built KERNEL_123110 today and new world

I can get 1024x768 to fill the screen but the icons and text are 
stretched weird.  I also loaded 1280x1024 but on the next reboot the 
screen shifted right again.


/etc/X11/xorg.conf

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "Files"
ModulePath   "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load  "extmod"
Load  "record"
Load  "dbe"
Load  "glx"
Load  "dri"
Load  "dri2"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver  "kbd"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Mouse0"
Driver  "mouse"
Option"Protocol" "auto"
Option"Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
Option"ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
#DisplaySize  440   250# mm
Identifier   "Monitor0"
VendorName   "HWP"
ModelName"HP 2010"
HorizSync24.0 - 83.0
VertRefresh  50.0 - 76.0
Option"DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Device"
### Available Driver options are:-
### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False",
### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz"
### [arg]: arg optional
#Option "NoAccel"# []
#Option "SWcursor"   # []
#Option "Dac6Bit"# []
#Option "Dac8Bit"# []
#Option "BusType"# []
#Option "CPPIOMode"  # []
#Option "CPusecTimeout"  # 
#Option "AGPMode"# 
#Option "AGPFastWrite"   # []
#Option "AGPSize"# 
#Option "GARTSize"   # 
#Option "RingSize"   # 
#Option "BufferSize" # 
#Option "EnableDepthMoves"   # []
#Option "EnablePageFlip" # []
#Option "NoBackBuffer"   # []
#Option "DMAForXv"   # []
#Option "FBTexPercent"   # 
#Option "DepthBits"  # 
#Option "PCIAPERSize"# 
#Option "AccelDFS"   # []
#Option "IgnoreEDID" # []
#Option "CustomEDID" # []
#Option "DisplayPriority"# []
#Option "PanelSize"  # []
#Option "ForceMinDotClock"   # 
#Option "ColorTiling"# []
#Option "VideoKey"   # 
#Option "RageTheatreCrystal" # 
#Option "RageTheatreTunerPort" # 
#Option "RageTheatreCompositePort" # 
#Option "RageTheatreSVideoPort" # 
#Option "TunerType"  # 
#Option "RageTheatreMicrocPath" # 
#Option "RageTheatreMicrocType" # 
#Option "ScalerWidth"# 
#Option "RenderAccel"# []
#Option "SubPixelOrder"  # []
#Option "ShowCache"  # []
#Option "ClockGating"# []
#Option "VGAAccess" 

Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

[Adam Vande More]

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Martes G Wigglesworth <
mailinglistmem...@mgwigglesworth.net> wrote:

>
> On 12/31/2010 08:04 PM, Da Rock wrote:
>
>> Depends on what you mean by 'fair'. I think you can now determine CPU
>> usage in jails, even allocate cores. I think the man pages can tell you more
>> about that, and the docs on freebsd.org. You can unmask some devices
>> within the jail and allow only certain jails and users to access it. And
>> finally I think you can jail a jail now, so that might be useful- especially
>> in CPU allocation.
>>
>
> I was thinking about possible DoS issues with memory management, however, I
> have not read far enough into the Jails docs to find out if there is
> anything new in this arena.  I was actually considering the security aspects
> of memory overflows, etc


That's why you should read the link I posted which is what the current plan
of action to allow jail resource limiting. It's simply not possible
currently.  There were a couple of different patches for this functionality
for 7.x series but aren't supported officially(see wiki jails for more
info).  You also have to worry about IO and cpu starvation from runaway
processes/attacks as well.  Cpu issues can be mitigated with cpuset(1) and
jails but you have no way to control IO other than renice(8).  Xen gives
similar cpu ability plus IO bandwidth feature.  Virtualbox 4 has smp cpu
assignment feature and a new IO bandwidth limiter but is not in ports yet.

So as already said, if FreeBSD is your host Virtualbox is your only
choice(qemu doesn't count for performance reasons).  If Virtualbox does not
meet your needs, you'll have to find another OS as jails don't provide the
isolation you'll need.

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Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

[Martes G Wigglesworth]

On 12/31/2010 08:04 PM, Da Rock wrote:
Depends on what you mean by 'fair'. I think you can now determine CPU 
usage in jails, even allocate cores. I think the man pages can tell 
you more about that, and the docs on freebsd.org. You can unmask some 
devices within the jail and allow only certain jails and users to 
access it. And finally I think you can jail a jail now, so that might 
be useful- especially in CPU allocation. 


I was thinking about possible DoS issues with memory management, 
however, I have not read far enough into the Jails docs to find out if 
there is anything new in this arena.  I was actually considering the 
security aspects of memory overflows, etc


--
Respectfully,


Martes G Wigglesworth
M. G. Wigglesworth Holdings, LLC
www.mgwigglesworth.net

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Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

[Da Rock]

On 01/01/11 11:09, Adam Vande More wrote:
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Da Rock 
> wrote:



Thats why Xen usually gets rated faster- its not actually on an OS
because it is one. Thats classified as a type 1. The others have
to go through the host OS first to get something, so it slows them
down just a bit, though the kernel modules help that quite a bit.


Please quit spouting this nonsense.  He's asking for facts not 
uninformed opinions.  In both type 1 and 2 hypervisiors the guests run 
in a protected CPU state(s) and in that regard they are functionally 
equivalent.  If you're actually interested in learning more, Randal L. 
Schwartz posted a great interview with some Virtualbox devs awhile ago 
that gave detailed technical info.


You're entitled to your opinion, and the OP is entitled to post without 
starting a flame.

This is best recent benchmark I see, but it's still old.

http://www.ilsistemista.net/index.php/virtualization/1-virtual-machines-performance-comparison.html

IMO it's particularly unfair to Xen with such an old version.  Xen 4 
is much better.


So in regards to the OP's questions, Vbox is your only viable 
alternative is you want to run FreeBSD as the host.


HRL is supposed to be coming down the pipe, but I think we're at least 
a year away.


http://wiki.freebsd.org/Hierarchical_Resource_Limits

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Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

[Randal L. Schwartz]

> "Adam" == Adam Vande More  writes:

Adam> Please quit spouting this nonsense.  He's asking for facts not
Adam> uninformed opinions.  In both type 1 and 2 hypervisiors the guests
Adam> run in a protected CPU state(s) and in that regard they are
Adam> functionally equivalent.  If you're actually interested in
Adam> learning more, Randal L. Schwartz posted a great interview with
Adam> some Virtualbox devs awhile ago that gave detailed technical info.

VirtualBox: http://twit.tv/floss130
Xen: http://twit.tv/floss67

Check'em both out.

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Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

[Adam Vande More]

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Da Rock <
freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au> wrote:

>
> Thats why Xen usually gets rated faster- its not actually on an OS because
> it is one. Thats classified as a type 1. The others have to go through the
> host OS first to get something, so it slows them down just a bit, though the
> kernel modules help that quite a bit.
>

Please quit spouting this nonsense.  He's asking for facts not uninformed
opinions.  In both type 1 and 2 hypervisiors the guests run in a protected
CPU state(s) and in that regard they are functionally equivalent.  If you're
actually interested in learning more, Randal L. Schwartz posted a great
interview with some Virtualbox devs awhile ago that gave detailed technical
info.

This is best recent benchmark I see, but it's still old.

http://www.ilsistemista.net/index.php/virtualization/1-virtual-machines-performance-comparison.html

IMO it's particularly unfair to Xen with such an old version.  Xen 4 is much
better.

So in regards to the OP's questions, Vbox is your only viable alternative is
you want to run FreeBSD as the host.

HRL is supposed to be coming down the pipe, but I think we're at least a
year away.

http://wiki.freebsd.org/Hierarchical_Resource_Limits

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Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

[Da Rock]

On 01/01/11 10:56, Martes G Wigglesworth wrote:


Just wanted to clarify:

I do understand that Xen runs under the dom0 OS however, I keep 
forgetting to use the correct terminology.


sorry about that.

I guess the requirement is that FreeBSD needs kernel work to run as a 
hypervisor-aware dom0 Operating system.


I may want to check on what I am really trying to do.

I really just want to have a fair, and/or encapsulation of jailed 
environments.


Is there really no other way to do this without running VBox?

Has anyone ever investigated a fair resource manager for jails on BSD 
before?


(I know this is probably a huge undertaking, but I figured that was 
the only third option that I came up with, prior to emailing the list...)


Depends on what you mean by 'fair'. I think you can now determine CPU 
usage in jails, even allocate cores. I think the man pages can tell you 
more about that, and the docs on freebsd.org. You can unmask some 
devices within the jail and allow only certain jails and users to access 
it. And finally I think you can jail a jail now, so that might be 
useful- especially in CPU allocation.


Jails will run faster than VBox (or qemu, or VMWare), you're basically 
running a specific system which puts it in the same category as Xen 
without the Vt stuff so it will run on any hardware you choose. Thats a 
very good start anyway.

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Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

[Da Rock]

On 01/01/11 10:44, Martes G Wigglesworth wrote:


On 12/31/2010 07:26 PM, Da Rock wrote:
Have you checked into Xen specifically and how it works? 
I am currently researching how Xen works.  I am finding the top-level 
information a bit lacking in low-level information.


I came across the website with all the objects for Xen, however, I 
have yet to find implementation or developer information, so I still 
have some digging to do, obviously.


I have downloaded the pdf information, however, I have not gotten far 
enough into the docs to figure out what is actually needed to have Xen 
function as it should on FreeBSD.


I am also researching the different types or products to figure out 
what should be my target for the most investigation.
I think you're where I was at a while ago, and a little investigation 
will
change your mind.FWIW Xen is a hypervisor, and platforms need to be 
able to run in it, not the other way around. Have a read up on it 
anyway. 


I am still premature in my research of this platform, so I am still 
trying to figure out what is done by the Xen implementation that is 
not within the indigenous OS. (I assume that it encapsulates 
environments as would be needed for true virtual private services.)


Thanks for the dialogue, I am still very much premature in my research 
of this "virtualization appliance" project that I thought up for my 
environment, and it is nice to see some feedback.



Have you checked the Xen site? Its actually a Citrix product if that helps.

It gets confusing I know- check out wikipedia as well. That will help I 
think. And the Xen site (if I remember correctly) is designed with EU's- 
in mind not high-level CTO's jargon.


For a start though, something like VMWare and VirtualBox run as an app 
on a host (like FBSD). Xen actually runs on the hardware and the guests 
run on it. Hence the only project for FreeBSD is for dom0- as special 
emulated cpu on Xen.


Thats why Xen usually gets rated faster- its not actually on an OS 
because it is one. Thats classified as a type 1. The others have to go 
through the host OS first to get something, so it slows them down just a 
bit, though the kernel modules help that quite a bit.


HTH clear the fog a bit :) But definitely check out the Xen site- you 
can even download the iso to test.

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Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

[Martes G Wigglesworth]

Just wanted to clarify:

I do understand that Xen runs under the dom0 OS however, I keep 
forgetting to use the correct terminology.


sorry about that.

I guess the requirement is that FreeBSD needs kernel work to run as a 
hypervisor-aware dom0 Operating system.


I may want to check on what I am really trying to do.

I really just want to have a fair, and/or encapsulation of jailed 
environments.


Is there really no other way to do this without running VBox?

Has anyone ever investigated a fair resource manager for jails on BSD 
before?


(I know this is probably a huge undertaking, but I figured that was the 
only third option that I came up with, prior to emailing the list...)


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M. G. Wigglesworth Holdings, LLC
www.mgwigglesworth.net

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Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

[Martes G Wigglesworth]

On 12/31/2010 07:26 PM, Da Rock wrote:
Have you checked into Xen specifically and how it works? 
I am currently researching how Xen works.  I am finding the top-level 
information a bit lacking in low-level information.


I came across the website with all the objects for Xen, however, I have 
yet to find implementation or developer information, so I still have 
some digging to do, obviously.


I have downloaded the pdf information, however, I have not gotten far 
enough into the docs to figure out what is actually needed to have Xen 
function as it should on FreeBSD.


I am also researching the different types or products to figure out what 
should be my target for the most investigation.
I think you're where I was at a while ago, and a little investigation 
will
change your mind.FWIW Xen is a hypervisor, and platforms need to be 
able to run in it, not the other way around. Have a read up on it anyway. 


I am still premature in my research of this platform, so I am still 
trying to figure out what is done by the Xen implementation that is not 
within the indigenous OS. (I assume that it encapsulates environments as 
would be needed for true virtual private services.)


Thanks for the dialogue, I am still very much premature in my research 
of this "virtualization appliance" project that I thought up for my 
environment, and it is nice to see some feedback.


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Martes G Wigglesworth
M. G. Wigglesworth Holdings, LLC
www.mgwigglesworth.net

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Re: a new hard-drive in a 2y/o laptop

[Michael Powell]

Ian Smith wrote:

> In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 343, Issue 5, Message: 10
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:02:45 -0500 Chris Brennan 
> wrote:
>  > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Michael Powell
>  > wrote:
>  > 
>  > > Try zeroing out the mbr:
>  > >
>  > > Boot a LiveFS CD, then at a root prompt do:
>  > >
>  > > sysctl kern.geom.debugflags=16  and:
>  > >
>  > > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/adx oseek=1 bs=512 count=1
>  > >
>  > > where x equals your drive number. This will zero out any old MBR.
> 
> Er, no, Mike.  The MBR is in sector 0 of the disk; that would zero out
> sector 1 as oseek=1 skips over sector 0.  What's in sector 1 depends on
> how/whether the disk is sliced.  In a 'dangerously dedicated' (unsliced)
> disk like a memory stick perhaps, this would usually be /boot/boot1 and
> include the bsdlabel.  In a sliced disk, sectors 1 to 62 are typically
> unused, the first slice usually starting at sector 63.
> 
> t23% fdisk -s ad0
> /dev/ad0: 232581 cyl 16 hd 63 sec
> PartStartSize Type Flags
>1:  63 8385867 0x0b 0x00
>2: 8385930   125821080 0xa5 0x80
>3:   13420701033543342 0xa5 0x00
>4:   16775073066685815 0xa5 0x00
> 
> If you really want to zero out sector 0, leave out the oseek (or use
> oseek=0) - but you're better off using 'fdisk -Bi' to init a new disk.
> 

Yes - true enough. Was thinking partition table and typed 'mbr'. 

> Mmm .. it's not clear from Chris' original message exactly what he did.

In my case, a temporary replacement disk had FreeBSD 6.2 on it. Something 
changed wrt to disklabeling on the way to 8-Release and the old 6.2 being 
present created a situation where that region on the disk was invisible to 
the new labeling and wouldn't write out. A new install of 8-Release 
(sysinstall) would error out with the same message as Chris when it came to 
the point of writing out to the disk. For me, the above 2 commands fixed my 
situation. Even though his error is the same, I think his problem may be  
different from mine.

-Mike
 
[snip]


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Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

[Da Rock]

On 01/01/11 10:19, Adam Vande More wrote:
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Da Rock 
> wrote:


On 01/01/11 02:34, Martes G Wigglesworth wrote:

Thanks in advance, for any input.

Have you checked into Xen specifically and how it works? I think
you're where I was at a while ago, and a little investigation will
change your mind. FWIW Xen is a hypervisor, and platforms need to
be able to run in it, not the other way around. Have a read up on
it anyway.


Well yes Xen is a hypervisor, a type 1 and your OS needs to be 
specifically modified to run as a Dom0 or a paravirtualized DomU.


What you want I think is something like VirtualBox- comparatively
slower, but about the best for what it is. 



Whatever that means.  Vbox is just as fast as Xen for most 
applications give or take a little depending on what you're doing.  
About the only place Xen can beat out Vbox is with in networking 
performance with a guest using the virtio driver, however since I've 
not tested the newer Vbox which is supposed to better performance 
there.  It's pretty hard to get accurate meaningful benchmarks across 
a variety of hosts/guests/usage styles, but generally speaking Xen, 
KVM, and Vbox are in the same performance league despite the 
differences in hypervisors(Vbox and KVM are fairly similar here).  
VBox guests may also have significantly better IO performance.



Xen's advantage now days lies in it's pci-pass-through support and all 
the tools built for using/managing it.  I think KVM may have pci 
pass-through support too, but haven't messed with it.  A lot of the 
tools support is more abstracted as well with things like libvirt.


I like Vbox on FreeBSD for several reasons, but one of the main 
benefits is using ZVOL's as the storage backend.  You get a lot of the 
ZFS goodies in your VM that way.  You can create scripts to automate 
your functions, everything done in the GUI can be done in the CLI and 
more.


http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch08.html

Benchmarks were taken on comparatively similar platforms with the same 
hardware with the same battery of tests- although not all could be run 
in all cases (I'll try and find the link again if I can). Xen guest was 
found to be as close to running on bare hardware, whilst VBox and KVM 
were about a quart slower. Each of those had their strengths and 
weaknesses, though.


I'd recommend VBox too- but anyone know the status of USB support on 
FreeBSD? That and RDP would be good.

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Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

[Adam Vande More]

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Da Rock <
freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au> wrote:

> On 01/01/11 02:34, Martes G Wigglesworth wrote:
>
>> Thanks in advance, for any input.
>>
>>  Have you checked into Xen specifically and how it works? I think you're
> where I was at a while ago, and a little investigation will change your
> mind. FWIW Xen is a hypervisor, and platforms need to be able to run in it,
> not the other way around. Have a read up on it anyway.
>

Well yes Xen is a hypervisor, a type 1 and your OS needs to be specifically
modified to run as a Dom0 or a paravirtualized DomU.

What you want I think is something like VirtualBox- comparatively slower,
> but about the best for what it is.


Whatever that means.  Vbox is just as fast as Xen for most applications give
or take a little depending on what you're doing.  About the only place Xen
can beat out Vbox is with in networking performance with a guest using the
virtio driver, however since I've not tested the newer Vbox which is
supposed to better performance there.  It's pretty hard to get accurate
meaningful benchmarks across a variety of hosts/guests/usage styles, but
generally speaking Xen, KVM, and Vbox are in the same performance league
despite the differences in hypervisors(Vbox and KVM are fairly similar
here).  VBox guests may also have significantly better IO performance.


Xen's advantage now days lies in it's pci-pass-through support and all the
tools built for using/managing it.  I think KVM may have pci pass-through
support too, but haven't messed with it.  A lot of the tools support is more
abstracted as well with things like libvirt.

I like Vbox on FreeBSD for several reasons, but one of the main benefits is
using ZVOL's as the storage backend.  You get a lot of the ZFS goodies in
your VM that way.  You can create scripts to automate your functions,
everything done in the GUI can be done in the CLI and more.

http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch08.html


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Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

[Da Rock]

On 01/01/11 02:34, Martes G Wigglesworth wrote:


Greetings.

I have been searching for solutions to the problem of jails not being 
truly encapsulated environments.


I have looked at the Xen information for freebsd and it appears to be 
still a bit premature, as compared to NetBSD.


Does anyone have any good resources or advice on how to begin 
implementing true-vps functionality using FreeBSD as a host?


I am still researching what work has been completed on Xen-freebsd 
port, and am actually new to researching Xen in general, so any help 
would be much appreciated.


Thanks in advance, for any input.

Have you checked into Xen specifically and how it works? I think you're 
where I was at a while ago, and a little investigation will change your 
mind. FWIW Xen is a hypervisor, and platforms need to be able to run in 
it, not the other way around. Have a read up on it anyway.


What you want I think is something like VirtualBox- comparatively 
slower, but about the best for what it is. The only other in the same 
league as VBox is linux-kvm (6:7 between them). But if you don't mind 
not having FreeBSD as host then Xen is definitely rated better. I'm just 
not as sure on stability and such, so I've swung away from it.


HTH
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Re: HDD READ/Timeout messages after 8.2 Upgrade

[Derrick Ryalls]

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Vladislav V. Prodan wrote:

> 31.12.2010 4:10, Derrick Ryalls wrote:
> > Any pointers?
>
> Upgrade to an old build FreeBSD 8.1
> Similar problems with working HDD in 9.0-CURRENT
>
>
Adding ahci_load="YES" to loader.conf solved the problem.  Running a hdd
test now but the system seems stable now.
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Re: HDD READ/Timeout messages after 8.2 Upgrade

[Vladislav V. Prodan]

31.12.2010 4:10, Derrick Ryalls wrote:
> Any pointers?

Upgrade to an old build FreeBSD 8.1
Similar problems with working HDD in 9.0-CURRENT

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cshrc to bashrc??

[Gary Kline]

Anybody know if there is a utility that transforms the /root/.cshrc
into a bash RC file?After decades, I'm giving up on the csh stuff.
Need something simpler.

tia, guys, and hope 2011 is better for all of us!

gary



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Re: XDM not showing login screen

[Anton Shterenlikht]

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 06:07:34PM +0100, Alain G. Fabry wrote:
> Hi, I'm trying to get my XDMCP to work, but for some reason the XDM daemon 
> doesn't reply to XDMCP requests.
> 
> I see the XDMCP packet arriving on my xdm server
> 
> harley# tcpdump port 177
> tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode
> listening on bge0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes
> 10:33:42.930750 IP 192.168.1.200.1291 > 255.255.255.255.xdmcp: UDP, length 7
> 
> All seems to be running ok
> harley# ps ax | grep xdm
> 76517  ??  Ss 0:00.41 /usr/local/bin/X :0 -auth 
> /usr/local/lib/X11/xdm/authdir/authfiles/A:0-Z5AiCR (Xorg)
> 76519  ??  Is 0:00.06 xdm: :0 (xdm)
>  6040   2  S+ 0:00.00 grep xdm
>  76515   5  I+ 0:00.01 xdm -nodaemon -debug 1
> 
> 
> The XDM daemon does not reply with a login screen.
> 
> I've commented out the following in my xdm-config file
> ! DisplayManager.requestPort:   0
> 
> following in my Xaccess file
> *   #any host can get a login window
> 
> xdm and X are running, and I see the following in my xdm.log file, even 
> though I don't get a login screen, the log file indicates incorrect login
> 
> SetPrompt(1, , LOGIN_PROMPT_ECHO_OFF(2))
> SetPrompt(0, , LOGIN_PROMPT_ECHO_ON(1))
> source /usr/local/lib/X11/xdm/Xsetup_0
> SetPrompt(0, , LOGIN_PROMPT_NOT_SHOWN(0))
> SetPrompt(1, , LOGIN_PROMPT_NOT_SHOWN(0))
> pam_msg: PAM_PROMPT_ECHO_ON (2): '   Login:'
> SetPrompt(0,Login:, LOGIN_PROMPT_ECHO_ON(1))
> RedrawFail('Login incorrect', 0)
> dispatching :0
> RedrawFail('Login incorrect', 0)
> 
> What more can I do to verify why it's not working, and what could be wrong.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Alain

not sure if it helps, I'll just describe my setup.

% grep xdm\" /etc/ttys
ttyv8   "/usr/local/bin/xdm"xterm   off secure


% grep requestPort /usr/local/lib/X11/xdm/xdm-config
!DisplayManager.requestPort:0


% grep -v "^#" /usr/local/lib/X11/xdm/Xaccess | uniq -u

aa.bb.cc.dd (these are ip addresses from which
aa.bb.cc.ee I connect to XDM server)

*   # any host can get a login window
LISTEN aa.bb.cc.ff  (this is the ip address of
the interface on the server
which listens for incoming
connections)


(Obviously using wildcard after specific ip addresses
makes those ip addresses unnecessary, I just
can't decide if I need to let myself access from
anywhere on campus or not).


I connect to the XDM server using

X -query aa.bb.cc.ff 


Finally I think x11/xauth must be install on both
sides.


anton


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Re: XDM not showing login screen

[Manolis Kiagias]

On 31/12/2010 7:07 μ.μ., Alain G. Fabry wrote:
> Hi, I'm trying to get my XDMCP to work, but for some reason the XDM daemon 
> doesn't reply to XDMCP requests.
>
> I see the XDMCP packet arriving on my xdm server
>
> harley# tcpdump port 177
> tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode
> listening on bge0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes
> 10:33:42.930750 IP 192.168.1.200.1291 > 255.255.255.255.xdmcp: UDP, length 7
>
> All seems to be running ok
> harley# ps ax | grep xdm
> 76517  ??  Ss 0:00.41 /usr/local/bin/X :0 -auth 
> /usr/local/lib/X11/xdm/authdir/authfiles/A:0-Z5AiCR (Xorg)
> 76519  ??  Is 0:00.06 xdm: :0 (xdm)
>  6040   2  S+ 0:00.00 grep xdm
>  76515   5  I+ 0:00.01 xdm -nodaemon -debug 1
>
>
> The XDM daemon does not reply with a login screen.
>
> I've commented out the following in my xdm-config file
> ! DisplayManager.requestPort:   0
>
> following in my Xaccess file
> *   #any host can get a login window
>
> xdm and X are running, and I see the following in my xdm.log file, even 
> though I don't get a login screen, the log file indicates incorrect login
>

Add a LISTEN line at the end of your Xaccess file, with the specific IP
of your server rather then relying on LISTEN *
I've had the same when I was setting up my XDMCP lab.
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Re: Where to post FreeBSD tutorials?

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:17:31 -0500, Xn Nooby  wrote:
> If I write a document about how to do something with FreeBSD, is there
> a good place to post it, or a link to it?
>
> Something like "how to edit a video in FreeBSD", not official documentation.
>
> I usually have to google things to find them, and often find the
> answer on stackoverflow or howtoforge.  Sometimes it hard to find
> things in google, and sometimes I'm not sure what I'm looking for.

A weblog post would be nice.  If you feel really adventurous you can
even set up a 'FreeBSD Wiki' with your tutorials.

Another good thing you can do is to prepare SGML articles for your
mini-guides and post them to freebsd-doc for inclusion to the official
doc/ tree.  This is a bit more difficult than a personal wiki though,
because: (1) you would have to learn SGML to write the source of the
article itself and (2) you have to convince the doc team that the
article is sufficiently good and necessary before it's committed and,
more importantly, (3) it would be nice if you are prepared to 'maintain'
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XDM not showing login screen

[Alain G. Fabry]

Hi, I'm trying to get my XDMCP to work, but for some reason the XDM daemon 
doesn't reply to XDMCP requests.

I see the XDMCP packet arriving on my xdm server

harley# tcpdump port 177
tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode
listening on bge0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes
10:33:42.930750 IP 192.168.1.200.1291 > 255.255.255.255.xdmcp: UDP, length 7

All seems to be running ok
harley# ps ax | grep xdm
76517  ??  Ss 0:00.41 /usr/local/bin/X :0 -auth 
/usr/local/lib/X11/xdm/authdir/authfiles/A:0-Z5AiCR (Xorg)
76519  ??  Is 0:00.06 xdm: :0 (xdm)
 6040   2  S+ 0:00.00 grep xdm
 76515   5  I+ 0:00.01 xdm -nodaemon -debug 1


The XDM daemon does not reply with a login screen.

I've commented out the following in my xdm-config file
! DisplayManager.requestPort:   0

following in my Xaccess file
*   #any host can get a login window

xdm and X are running, and I see the following in my xdm.log file, even though 
I don't get a login screen, the log file indicates incorrect login

SetPrompt(1, , LOGIN_PROMPT_ECHO_OFF(2))
SetPrompt(0, , LOGIN_PROMPT_ECHO_ON(1))
source /usr/local/lib/X11/xdm/Xsetup_0
SetPrompt(0, , LOGIN_PROMPT_NOT_SHOWN(0))
SetPrompt(1, , LOGIN_PROMPT_NOT_SHOWN(0))
pam_msg: PAM_PROMPT_ECHO_ON (2): '   Login:'
SetPrompt(0,Login:, LOGIN_PROMPT_ECHO_ON(1))
RedrawFail('Login incorrect', 0)
dispatching :0
RedrawFail('Login incorrect', 0)

What more can I do to verify why it's not working, and what could be wrong.

Thanks,

Alain

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Re: MySQL 5.5.7->5.5.8 Gotcha!

[Volodymyr Kostyrko]

30.12.2010 14:23, Odhiambo Washington wrote):

I am seeing a problem I am unable to solve after upgrading from 5.5.7 ->
5.5.8.
I am installing Request Tracket and I get the following error (which is in
no way related to RT, I think):


Character set 'latin1' is not a compiled character set and is not specified
in the '/usr/local/share/mysql/charsets/Index.xml' file
Failed to connect to dbi:mysql:;host=localhost as user 'root': Can't
initialize character set latin1 (path: /usr/local/share/mysql/charsets/)***
Error code 255


The Index.xml lists latin1 character set and even the file containing the
charsets is there. I still don't think I should downgrade, but google isn't
helping me much!




I have seen the same when connecting from php5.2 built with 
mysql55-client to mysql51 database.


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How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

[Martes G Wigglesworth]

Greetings.

I have been searching for solutions to the problem of jails not being 
truly encapsulated environments.


I have looked at the Xen information for freebsd and it appears to be 
still a bit premature, as compared to NetBSD.


Does anyone have any good resources or advice on how to begin 
implementing true-vps functionality using FreeBSD as a host?


I am still researching what work has been completed on Xen-freebsd port, 
and am actually new to researching Xen in general, so any help would be 
much appreciated.


Thanks in advance, for any input.

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Re: Detecting updates to ports not installed

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Dan Langille on Friday, 31 December 2010:
> >Bingo!  Thanks, that's exactly what I needed.  Although it took a while
> >to figure out how to do it.  Suggestion for Freshports:  add an "add to
> >watch list" button on the page for each port.
> 
> This has been in place for some time.  From 
> http://www.freshports.org/faq.php :
> 
> http://www.freshports.org/images/watch-add.gif
> 
> "Add item to your default watch lists: This port is not on any of your 
> default watch lists. Click this icon to add the port to your default 
> watch lists. This icon appears only if you are logged in."
> 
> Granted, you don't see this icon if you are not logged in.  The system 
> could be altered so you see this icon regardless.  If clicked, and not 
> logged in, it could prompt you to login, or register.
> 
> -- 
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There it is, all right.  I guess I missed it because I was looking for
words instead of an icon, and I tend to browse mouseless these days so I
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Re: load windows

[Bruce Cran]

On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:04:59 +0100
Leslie Jensen  wrote:

> I would suggest you use a Live CD (Partition Magic) and set the
> Windows partition active. You will then boot into Windows and I would
> then recommend that you install the EasyBCD bootloader and ad your
> BSD installation to it.

EasyBCD seems by far the best method as long as you're using Vista or
newer (BCD doesn't exist on XP). However you don't need to boot from a
LiveCD. From within FreeBSD:

gpart set -a active -i  

should work where you can get  from "gpart show"
and  will be the name of the disk, for example ad0.

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Re: Why are YT vids on FreeBSD all about hacking MSN? (solved)

[Balázs Mátéffy]

Hi,

I don't know about this, but you should definitely check out
"bsdconferences".

http://www.youtube.com/bsdconferences

Regards,

MB.

On 31 December 2010 02:13, Xn Nooby  wrote:

> I wanted to watch some videos about FreeBSD, so I went to Youtube and
> searched on "FreeBSD".  Then I sorted by "Date Uploaded", and almost
> all the videos uploaded recently are about hacking MSN.  I went to the
> people's profiles, and they had no videos available.  I am guessing
> that people are creating fake YT accounts to post a video that then
> gets removed by YT.  It makes it impossible to find recent YT videos
> about FreeBSD.
>
> I just wondering if anyone else noticed this.
>
> If you do the basic YT search sorted on "Relevance", you get really
> old FreeBSD videos.
>
>
> SOLVED:  I just noticed you can filter out "msn" from your results by
> searching for "freebsd -msn".
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Re: Detecting updates to ports not installed

[Dan Langille]

Bingo!  Thanks, that's exactly what I needed.  Although it took a while
to figure out how to do it.  Suggestion for Freshports:  add an "add to
watch list" button on the page for each port.


This has been in place for some time.  From 
http://www.freshports.org/faq.php :


http://www.freshports.org/images/watch-add.gif

"Add item to your default watch lists: This port is not on any of your 
default watch lists. Click this icon to add the port to your default 
watch lists. This icon appears only if you are logged in."


Granted, you don't see this icon if you are not logged in.  The system 
could be altered so you see this icon regardless.  If clicked, and not 
logged in, it could prompt you to login, or register.


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NIS server doesn't receive its own passwd entries to nsswitch

[Florian Wagner]

Hi,

I've just configured FreeBSD 8.2-RC1 to act as a NIS server and as a
client to itself.

What works: A Linux client can query NIS. As in ypcat passwd/group and
getent passwd/group show the entries from the server. The server can
query its on NIS provided groups (ypcat passwd/group).

  nisserver # ypcat passwd
  nisuser:*:1:1:::
  nisserver # ypcat group
  nisgroup:*:1:

What doesn't work: The server doesn't recieve passwd entries to its
nsswitch, but does receive group entries. I.e. getent passwd only
shows local entries, but getent group shows local and NIS entries.

To verify that this is not a problem with getent I also tried:

  nisserver # touch somefile
  nisserver # ls -l somefile
  -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  0 Dec 31 14:09 somefile
  nisserver # chgrp nisgroup somefile
  nisserver # ls -l somefile
  -rw-r--r--  1 root  nisgroup  0 Dec 31 14:09 somefile
  nisserver # chown nisuser somefile
  chown: nisuser: Invalid argument
  nisserver # ls -l somefile
  -rw-r--r--  1 root  nisgroup  0 Dec 31 14:09 somefile

I am NOT missing the "+:" line in master.passwd (as per the
handbook entry on NIS clients). I also tried changing "passwd: compat"
to "passwd: files nis" in /etc/nsswitch.conf which didn't help at all.


Regards
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Re: Detecting updates to ports not installed

[Leslie Jensen]

On 2010-12-30 18:16, Erik Trulsson wrote:

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 08:19:00AM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:

Hello fellow BSDophiles,

The chromium port is trying my patience.  I'm not using it now, because of
its unpatched vulnerabilities.  Buit I'm keeping it installed, so I'll be
notified by portversion when an update comes through.  Is there a more
excellent way to receive the same sort of notification for a port that is
not installed?


I think you can use http://www.freshports.org for that purpose.
(I have never used it myself, but it looks like it should do the
trick.)




Freshports have an RSS feed that'll keep you up to date with changes.
I use it myself, it is very useful.

/Leslie


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Re: load windows

[Leslie Jensen]

On 2010-12-31 05:09, Polytropon wrote:

On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:39:45 +0800, xinyou yan  wrote:

Help:  I installed 8.2 today ,
I think  I have forgot  installed boot loader manager .
When I was finished  and reboot . The system just has bsd loader

I  can  use F2 load windows previous
Any one who know how to load linux also help  . (I have a  linux in system
the loader was installed on its /boot not mbr
)

So how can i do now!


According to your description, you want to boot into one
out of three systems (FreeBSD, a Linux, a "Windows"). In
this case, you should be able to run the Linux distribution
you have from a live file system CD or DVD and restore its
boot manager, LILO or GRUB. This boot manager should then
deal with the OS selection for boot.

Of course, you can also "restart" the FreeBSD installation
and choose its boot manager to be installed. I think you
should be able to do this through the running FreeBSD
system, maybe using the sysinstall program. The FreeBSD
boot manager would then show the operating systems' names
in its choice list.

As I am not a "multi-booter", I'm not fully sure if this
will work as intended. Usually I do just install FreeBSD's
loader as there is nothing else to load. :-)


I would suggest you use a Live CD (Partition Magic) and set the Windows 
partition active. You will then boot into Windows and I would then 
recommend that you install the EasyBCD bootloader and ad your BSD 
installation to it.



http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1

You can find instructions in bsdmag on how to set it up.

http://bsdmag.org/app/files/download?attachment=attachment1&model=Article&model_id=9300&portal_id=134

Or

http://bsdmag.org/pdf-articles

And choose

Download Free Issue: FreeBSD Ins & Outs

/Leslie
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Re: Where to post FreeBSD tutorials?

[Xn Nooby]

Thanks, the Wiki and Howto page are just what I was looking for!  I
had only used the mailing lists so far.
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Re: freeBSDFoundation donate problem

[Arthur Chance]

On 12/31/10 00:43, Frank Shute wrote:

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:04:23PM +, Paul Macdonald wrote:


I've just tried again to donate to the foundation for the end of year push,
but 3 UK based cards all failed on the groundspring interface  ( 2 x visa,
1 x mastercard, all had funds obv)

Paypal also failed stating i couldn't use this card for the transaction
(which is usable for other purchases fine)

Has anyone else had a problem ( or succeeded) in donakting via the UK,
maybe there's a wider problem here..

[snippage]

Paul.


I've succeeded donating from the UK using the Paypal button and a
credit card using this page:

http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/


That also worked for me just before Christmas using a UK Visa credit card.


--
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wombat looks like, but everyone knows what a dragon looks like."

-- Avram Davidson, _Adventures in Unhistory_
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Re: disyfiles

[Dave]

On 30 Dec 2010 at 18:17, wayne mitchell wrote:

> hey
> i have a freeBSD 8.1 RELEASE system working off-line
> and a windows b'band connection
> my b'band connection has downloads limits
> i would like to get a hold of all 'relevant' distilfes - the current
> size of the complete distfiles tree is 140GB i have cottoned onto the
> idea of having somebody copy the entire tree onto HDD and posting it
> over if there is a department that is able to do this or you have any
> other ideas for a solution do let me know
> 
> happy to pay a few bucks - though i am not pro - just for hobbies
> 
> thanks
> 

Hi.

You can also order CD's and DVD's for not much $'s.  Much less chance of 
them getting bust in the post.   Also, (though expensive) 100G+ USB 
memory sticks are available, and would cost much less to post than even 
CD/DVD's I suspect.

What's the limit on your web connection, and over what sort of period, 
and/or, is there a time of day throttling/limiting?   You could always 
schedule downloads to happen duing the "quiet time".

Lastly, if another ISP service is available in your area, consider a 
change of ISP to one who doenst apply such restrictive limits.  But talk 
to them first and get an agreement in writing before committing, if that 
is viable of course.

I've done two F'BSD V8.x installs over FTP in the not too distant past.  
That only downloads what is needed to get things up and running, and can 
get more stuff as needed, when it's needed.  OK, not as painless as 
having it all on a DVD locally, but it does work.  You do need to 
download the bootable Network install CD first though.  Is that how you 
started?

Best Regards.

Dave B.  (In the UK)


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