Re: Alternative windowmanagers
On 08/07/2011 02:17 PM, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: > 07.08.2011 16:24, Matthias Apitz wrote: >> El día Sunday, August 07, 2011 a las 12:05:12AM +0300, Volodymyr >> Kostyrko escribió: >> >>> 05.08.2011 22:12, Christian Barthel wrote: As a Gnome 2.3x user too, I am also a bit nervouse. Gnome 3 is a big mistake. And there are also rumors that Gnome will be Linux only. Maybe, we will never see Gnome3 under FreeBSD, but this is not a tragedy :) >>> >>> Once a year I build up a Gnome or KDE to look at all this stuff... Then >>> I go back to E17. >> >> I have installed /usr/ports/x11-wm/enlightenment >> Could you please point me to a starters guide for beginners? Normaly I'm >> using KDE 3.5.10, but will check it out. Thanks > > Try http://www.enlightenment.org for example. > > I'm starting it from .xsession like this: > > exec /usr/local/bin/enlightenment_start > I used XFCE + Compiz + Emerald for a few years. Yes, bloated I know. It was not bloated enough (or so I thought) to matter. Now I use e17. It's light and useful, the features that increase productivity more than make-up for any limitations due to bugs. Make sure that Hardware acceleration is on however, I find the software acceleration a bit too crashy. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: 2020: Will BSD and Linux be relevant anymore?
On 07/21/2011 01:02 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:21:47PM -0400, Daniel Feenberg wrote: Doesn't the NDIS specification offer a reasonably stable ABI for wireless drivers? I have often thought that supporting NDIS would offer manufacturers a sort of "halfway house" to ease them into proper support for FreeBSD and Linux. While it is inferior to open source drivers, it would attract users, and with users manufacturers would feel pressure to have better support, which would best be achieved with open-source drivers. I agree that would probably be a productive approach to improving wireless support over time. I do not know the technical challenges associated with getting that working in FreeBSD, though, or how well it would actually work in practice. I have used the NDIS wrapper in FreeBSD and Linux few times for a couple of different systems. Generally for things I could not choose the hardware for for whatever reason. It does the job for the most part. I think in one particular case i got the impression that the driver had to remain closed due to some FCC restriction on the radio being used. With the exception of video(Intel), what other areas of hardware are lacking support in FreeBSD? And would the same approach make sense for those? I specifically excepted Intel video because this is an area that is currently under development and it requires significant changes to the kernel. From what I understand Intel wrote the open source GEM kernel module for Linux under an MIT type license. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: X is broken after upgrade
Jamie Griffin wrote: If you have moused enabled, you can select text with the left mouse button, and insert text with the middle mouse button. If you don't have a middle mouse button, press the wheel down. If you don't have a wheel, press the left and the right mouse button at the same time. Thanks for the tip, i didn't know I could do that. According to the error message, mentioning "/usr/local/lib/xorg/ modules/drivers/intel_drv.so", I would think a modular component of xorg, maybe the "drivers" component, or a specific kernel module (for Intel video) needs a separate update. I did try recompiling the drivers after i read about a similar issue in a post i found in the archives but that did not fix it. Jamie. I just had a similar issue on a new install In my case it was because X could not find my configuration file. In your first post i notice that your x.org.log lists the default configuration. Double check that your xorg.conf file wasn't deleted or renamed accidentally. Mine was xorg.config instead of xorg.conf. Colin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: watching WebEx session on FreeBSD (nearly solved)
On 01/13/10 07:43, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Wednesday, January 13, 2010 a las 09:51:45AM +0100, Matthias Apitz escribió: I did now (thanks for your help, Colin): - installed the 'User Agent Switcher' addin in Firefox 3.0.7 - changed the user agent to the above Linux Mozilla - installed diablo-jre-freebsd7.i386.1.6.0.07.02.tbz and activated the plug-in in Firefox this let me see the introduction in http://www.webex.com/go/live_demo which seems to be only a flash movie; but when I go to some real recorded webEx session the Java VM crashes with some Exception that 'trustAnchors paramater must be non-empty'; Follow up: The problem with 'trustAnchors paramater must be non-empty' was a broken file /usr/local/diablo-jre1.6.0/lib/security/cacerts (it had only 32 bytes) and I copied it from some other Java: # cp /usr/local/jdk1.6.0/jre/lib/security/cacerts /usr/local/diablo-jre1.6.0/lib/security/cacerts Now the Java app is down loaded and starts and I can see the WebEx Meeting Manager Window; if the 'host' shows some file in this, it is presented as well; but if the 'host' presents some application (the remote desktop) only a full green window comes up with no icons or windows in it matthias That is where I am as well. While in the demo, I talked to the host for a while and she said that I should be able to see sharing of the full desktop but sharing of individual applications would result in users seeing my full desktop. I plan to test more with it today. I may also test to see if it runs similarly in Linux, if it does then it may indicate that further configuration is needed in FreeBSD to get this working. -Colin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: watching WebEx session on FreeBSD
On 01/12/10 14:23, Colin Albert wrote: On 01/12/10 11:12, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Tuesday, January 12, 2010 a las 08:48:31AM -0700, Warren Block escribió: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote: Has someone had luck with watching a WebEx session on FreeBSD based desktop? As far as I understand, it is somehow Flash and RDP based, i.e. some tools like Firefox with flash and a RDP client are required. I'm always forced to launch a VM with XP to watch such sessions and it would be good for me to overcome this situation. The Linux Webex client might work. http://support.webex.com/support/system-requirements.html says it'll run under Fedora 10, and linux_base-f10 works well. Thanks for the hint; I looked around there but can not see any WebEx Business Suite 27 (WBS27) client to down load; is this part of the 14day Free Trial? matthias You should be able to try this using the online demo. http://www.webex.com/go/live_demo if it works the download will be automatic. I am still trying to make it work as well. -Colin Followup: I was able to make this work by changing my user agent from: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091106 Firefox/3.5.5 to: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091106 Firefox/3.5.5 So it looks like linux_base-f10 is not required. The first time I tried this firefox crashed. Then I opened firefox from the command line to see if I could see the error, and it is working now. I am still testing to see what functionality does/does not work. I am using 8.0 Stable with diablo 1.6 and firefox 3.5.5. Thanks, -Colin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: watching WebEx session on FreeBSD
On 01/12/10 11:12, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Tuesday, January 12, 2010 a las 08:48:31AM -0700, Warren Block escribió: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote: Has someone had luck with watching a WebEx session on FreeBSD based desktop? As far as I understand, it is somehow Flash and RDP based, i.e. some tools like Firefox with flash and a RDP client are required. I'm always forced to launch a VM with XP to watch such sessions and it would be good for me to overcome this situation. The Linux Webex client might work. http://support.webex.com/support/system-requirements.html says it'll run under Fedora 10, and linux_base-f10 works well. Thanks for the hint; I looked around there but can not see any WebEx Business Suite 27 (WBS27) client to down load; is this part of the 14day Free Trial? matthias You should be able to try this using the online demo. http://www.webex.com/go/live_demo if it works the download will be automatic. I am still trying to make it work as well. -Colin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: watching WebEx session on FreeBSD
On 01/12/10 10:48, Warren Block wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote: Has someone had luck with watching a WebEx session on FreeBSD based desktop? As far as I understand, it is somehow Flash and RDP based, i.e. some tools like Firefox with flash and a RDP client are required. I'm always forced to launch a VM with XP to watch such sessions and it would be good for me to overcome this situation. The Linux Webex client might work. http://support.webex.com/support/system-requirements.html says it'll run under Fedora 10, and linux_base-f10 works well. Failing that, there's Wine. Firefox and the Flash plugin run under Wine. There are occasional graphic artifacts and Firefox windows want a double-click on the close gadget to actually close, but otherwise it works very well. Java also runs, although there it's not 100%. Maybe enough for Webex. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA I have also tried WebEx in FreeBSD with similar results. I have not tried using f10, but I wonder if the WebEx Java component detects that it's running in diablo (or rather not a recognised Java engine). FWIW I have had success with other similar products in FreeBSD, namely MeetingPlace. IMO it runs better in FreeBSD than Windows. - Colin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Xorg - no mouse and no keyboard
Paul Schmehl wrote: I had a working Xorg config, and everything was fine. Then my monitors crapped out. I got new ones and installed them. No I have no mouse and no keyboard in Xorg. I've tried disabling hald and dbus and manually configuring them. That doesn't work either. What sort of troubleshooting steps do I need to take to figure out why they're not working and get them working again? Mouse and keyboard work find at the console. It's only in X that they don't work. I'm running 7.2-STABLE FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE #13. I've uninstalled and reinstalled xf86-input-keyboard, xf86-input-mouse and the radeonhd driver to no avail. I've searched the web for answers but haven't found any. Here's some stuff from the Xorg.0.log: # grep -i mouse /var/log/Xorg.0.log (==) RADEONHD(0): Silken mouse enabled (II) config/hal: Adding input device Optical USB Mouse (II) LoadModule: "mouse" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input//mouse_drv.so (II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation" (**) Optical USB Mouse: Device: "/dev/ums1" (==) Optical USB Mouse: Protocol: "Auto" (**) Optical USB Mouse: always reports core events (==) Optical USB Mouse: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50 (**) Optical USB Mouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 (**) Optical USB Mouse: Buttons: 9 (**) Optical USB Mouse: Sensitivity: 1 (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Optical USB Mouse" (type: MOUSE) (**) Optical USB Mouse: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1 (**) Optical USB Mouse: (accel) filter chain progression: 2.00 (**) Optical USB Mouse: (accel) filter stage 0: 20.00 ms (**) Optical USB Mouse: (accel) set acceleration profile 0 (II) Optical USB Mouse: SetupAuto: hw.iftype is 5, hw.model is 0 (II) Optical USB Mouse: SetupAuto: protocol is SysMouse (II) config/hal: removing device Optical USB Mouse (II) UnloadModule: "mouse" (II) config/hal: Adding input device PS/2 Mouse (**) PS/2 Mouse: Device: "/dev/psm0" (==) PS/2 Mouse: Protocol: "Auto" (**) PS/2 Mouse: always reports core events (==) PS/2 Mouse: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50 (**) PS/2 Mouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 (**) PS/2 Mouse: Buttons: 9 (**) PS/2 Mouse: Sensitivity: 1 (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "PS/2 Mouse" (type: MOUSE) (**) PS/2 Mouse: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1 (**) PS/2 Mouse: (accel) filter chain progression: 2.00 (**) PS/2 Mouse: (accel) filter stage 0: 20.00 ms (**) PS/2 Mouse: (accel) set acceleration profile 0 (II) PS/2 Mouse: SetupAuto: hw.iftype is 3, hw.model is 0 (II) PS/2 Mouse: SetupAuto: protocol is PS/2 (II) PS/2 Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded No, I don't have a PS/2 Mouse. I have no idea why hald is removing my USB mouse and replacing it with a non-existent one. ]# grep -i keyboard /var/log/Xorg.0.log (II) Cannot locate a core keyboard device. (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD (II) config/hal: Adding input device Microsoft Natural Keyboard Elite (**) Microsoft Natural Keyboard Elite: always reports core events (**) Microsoft Natural Keyboard Elite: Protocol: standard (**) Microsoft Natural Keyboard Elite: XkbRules: "xorg" (**) Microsoft Natural Keyboard Elite: XkbModel: "microsoft" (**) Microsoft Natural Keyboard Elite: XkbLayout: "fr" (**) Microsoft Natural Keyboard Elite: XkbOptions: "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" (**) Microsoft Natural Keyboard Elite: CustomKeycodes disabled (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Microsoft Natural Keyboard Elite" (type: KEYBOARD) (II) config/hal: Adding input device AT Keyboard (**) AT Keyboard: always reports core events (**) AT Keyboard: Protocol: standard (**) AT Keyboard: XkbRules: "xorg" (**) AT Keyboard: XkbModel: "microsoft" (**) AT Keyboard: XkbLayout: "fr" (**) AT Keyboard: XkbOptions: "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" (**) AT Keyboard: CustomKeycodes disabled (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "AT Keyboard" (type: KEYBOARD) No, I have no idea why hal is adding an AT keyboard after installing my real keyboard. But disabling hal and dbus and adding input devices to the xorg.conf file doesn't change a thing. Paul Schmehl (pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com) In case it isn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer Have you tried adding AutoAddDevices false to your xorg.conf? Section "ServerFlags" Option "AutoAddDevices" "false" EndSection I had to do that until the latest hal update in order to get my wireless usb mouse and keyboard to work under X. Otherwise your settings for mouse and keyboard have no effect after X org 7.4. Colin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Newbie questions (updating, ports, etc.)
S4mmael wrote: 2009/12/3 Richard Mace : 1.) Keeping installed ports/packages up to date. As far as I can tell from the docs, perhaps the most convenient method is to use something like: # portsnap fetch update # pkgdb -F # portupgrade --batch -aP (do I need an "R" here?) I don't see any reason to upgrade all installed ports on daily or weekly basis. In most cases you'll get nothing as the result of updating some port version 2.16.134 to new version 2.16.135 but lost time. There are probably as many approaches to this as there are users. I update very regularly. I find it worse to have a long list of updates required that to dedicate a little time every day or so to updating. And I use... cd /usr/ports make update portmaster -aD portmaster --clean-distfiles which should first try to find a package from the repositories and failing that will fall back to a port. What is the current wisdom here? Yes, it's right. Given the machine you are targeting initially packages will probably be fine. I use ports because I have a non-typical processor. Is it safe to use the --batch switch? As far as I understand, this will use the configuration defaults and not prompt the user whenever a port requires some user (options) configuration. Is this interpretation correct? If the package is in use, there will no prompt. While building a port, configuration in which this port was built last time is used. If there is no such configuration, then port builds with default options. I don't use --batch. I want to use the last configuration unless there are new options, then I want to be asked. I do use the -D option so that it does not ask me what to do with the dist files after each new update. Then I clean the distfiles at the end. Related to the above, are the default options that appear in the ncurses dialogues the same as those used in the building of packages? It's really intresting. 3.) Upgrading ports seems to take considerable time (at least with my experiments on a 5 year old Pentium IV). I am keen to adopt FreeBSD as my desktop for work (Physics Professor, Research and teaching). Is it feasible in a work environment to upgrade ports without getting bogged down in a compile-a-thon, leaving one with a useless workstation. (My target machine will be an 8-core HP z600 (Xeon) which leads me to believe that I could do the upgrading in the background while I continue to work uninterrupted. I'd like to hear others experiences here.) Try to use something like "nice portupgrade -a". Read "man nice". nice is probably the right answer here. Although given what you have said about your current machine I am not sure you will want/need to be bleeding edge. It may be best in that case to get it configured and leave it unless there is a security concern. When you get your new machine it will not be a factor so I would go with checking for fresh ports everyday or week. Also you will probably be able to take full advantage of the new target hardware by compiling from source. Colin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
