Re: Apache 1.3 Problems

2008-09-16 Thread Ian Smith
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008, Annelise Anderson wrote:
 > On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, Ian Smith wrote:
 > > On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:48:48 +1000 (EST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 > > > > On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 > > 
 > > From a digest post, trimming a bit ..

Trimming lots this time ..

 > > Ok, ping and DNS look fine.  I (also) can traceroute your box this far:
 > > 
 > > 14  bbrb-isp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.1.155)  193.489 ms  193.562 ms  195.603
 > > ms
 > > 15  * * *
 > > 16  * * *
 > > 17  * * *
 > > 18  * *^C
 > > 
 > > I don't know whether you allow inbound traceroutes? but the question
 > > now is, how many routers between you and and bbrb-isp.Stanford.EDU ?
 > > 
 > > Can you show us a 'traceroute bbrb-isp.Stanford.EDU' from your machine?
[..]

 > I think port 80 is being filtered.  I have started talking to the admins.
 > The traceroute looks like this--
 > 
 > andrsn  2:23PM ~ % traceroute bbrb-isp.Stanford.EDU
 > traceroute to bbrb-isp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.1.155), 64 hops max, 40 byte 
 > packets
 >  1  goz-srtr-vlan910.Stanford.EDU (171.66.112.1)  0.610 ms  0.571 ms 0.711 ms
 >  2  * bbra-rtr.Stanford.EDU (172.20.4.1)  1.093 ms *
 >  3  * * *
 >  4  * * *
 >  and so forth indefinitely.

While talking to the admins, you might show them your traceroute too.  

It's a bit strange that bbrb-isp.Stanford.EDU responds to traceroutes 
from the outside, but not from your internal machine.  Of course it may 
be that the port 80 blocking (and/or traceroute blocking) is occurring 
on another router between you and bbrb-isp .. we can see at least two.

 > When I filter out non-tcp traffic nothing shows up at all.

Obviously mail works both ways.  tcptraceroute was also a good clue.

 > I have not tried another port yet, but will do that now.
 > 
 >  Annelise

Happy hunting, Ian
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Re: Apache 1.3 Problems

2008-09-16 Thread Annelise Anderson

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, Ian Smith wrote:


On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:48:48 +1000 (EST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


From a digest post, trimming a bit ..


> >>>   After 3 years, by apache 1.3 server quite working.  It shows a
> >>> PID, it's running, it can be stopped and restarted, and from FreeBSD
> >>> the home page comes up using lynx http://andrsn.stanford.edu
> >>>
> >>>   But from outside, it times out.
> >>>
> >>>   I have run the texts for valid configuration (I haven't changed
> >>> anything) and I actually rebooted the machine.  The texts are okay and
> >>> rebooting doesn't help.
> >>>
> >>>   The machine is pingable.  It's running FreeBSD 5.5 or so.
> >>>
> >>>   What to do next?
> >>>
> >>>   Annelise
> >>> ___
> >>
> >> Hmm..
> >> Can it connect to the outside world at all itself? Has the network
> >> changed
> >> at all recently? Did the server restart at all and if so are the
> >> firewall
> >> rules (if any) permitting external traffic?
> >>
> >> You could check the apache logs to see if any external connections are
> >> getting through to the box at all, too.
> >>
> >> Is the lynx test connecting from the same box to itself? or from another
> >> FreeBSD box..?
> >
> >>From the same box to itself.

What about from other boxes 'inside' your domain?

> >> --
> >> Also, what Chris said would cover most of these. :)
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Mark
> >
> > Chris wrote:
> >
> >>Sounds like a (probebly external) firewall issue. Just because pings get
> >>through, doesn't mean the http requests are.
> >
> > No firewall on my machine.

No, but there are (hopefully :) Stanford firewall/s between you and the
outside world.  Might they have upgraded policy about allowing inbound
port 80 connections to boxes not known/expected to be running servers?

> >>I'd run ngrep or tcpdump on the console and double-check that the packets
> >>are actually making it to the server.
> >
> >>Also, do a "sockstat -4" and make sure it's listening on the approprate
> >>IP.
> >
> > Thank you both--
> >
> > sockstat -4 show that it's listening on *:80, which is right.
> > Neither tcpdump (assuming I'm reading it correcting) nor httpd-access.log
> > shows any tcp packets at all getting through except when lynx is run
> > from the machine on which apache is running after Sept 12 at 2:12 a.m.
> > Thus, I assume packets are not getting to the server, except when
> > requested from the local machine.

Sounds like your machine is setup ok, but inbound tcp setup packets are
apparently getting blocked upstream.

> > email and ftp are working--and I can log into the machine remotely--
> > so stuff is getting out and in.  tcpdump shows a lot of other activity,

Specific like 'tcpdump -pn -i $iface tcp port 80' quells other noise.

> > So, I'm stumped.
> >
> >   Annelise

Ok, ping and DNS look fine.  I (also) can traceroute your box this far:

14  bbrb-isp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.1.155)  193.489 ms  193.562 ms  195.603 ms
15  * * *
16  * * *
17  * * *
18  * *^C

I don't know whether you allow inbound traceroutes? but the question
now is, how many routers between you and and bbrb-isp.Stanford.EDU ?

Can you show us a 'traceroute bbrb-isp.Stanford.EDU' from your machine?

> This might sound like an odd test, but try configuring it to sit on a port
> other than 80 (8080, for example) and seeing if you get the same problem
> there.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark

If you're thinking what I'm thinking, 8080's just as unlikely to work :)

cheers, Ian


I think port 80 is being filtered.  I have started talking to the admins.
The traceroute looks like this--

andrsn  2:23PM ~ % traceroute bbrb-isp.Stanford.EDU
traceroute to bbrb-isp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.1.155), 64 hops max, 40 byte 
packets
 1  goz-srtr-vlan910.Stanford.EDU (171.66.112.1)  0.610 ms  0.571 ms 
0.711 ms

 2  * bbra-rtr.Stanford.EDU (172.20.4.1)  1.093 ms *
 3  * * *
 4  * * *
 and so forth indefinitely.

When I filter out non-tcp traffic nothing shows up at all.

I have not tried another port yet, but will do that now.

Annelise
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Re: Apache 1.3 Problems

2008-09-16 Thread Ian Smith
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:48:48 +1000 (EST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 > > On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>From a digest post, trimming a bit ..

 > >>>  After 3 years, by apache 1.3 server quite working.  It shows a
 > >>> PID, it's running, it can be stopped and restarted, and from FreeBSD
 > >>> the home page comes up using lynx http://andrsn.stanford.edu
 > >>>
 > >>>  But from outside, it times out.
 > >>>
 > >>>  I have run the texts for valid configuration (I haven't changed
 > >>> anything) and I actually rebooted the machine.  The texts are okay and
 > >>> rebooting doesn't help.
 > >>>
 > >>>  The machine is pingable.  It's running FreeBSD 5.5 or so.
 > >>>
 > >>>  What to do next?
 > >>>
 > >>>  Annelise
 > >>> ___
 > >>
 > >> Hmm..
 > >> Can it connect to the outside world at all itself? Has the network
 > >> changed
 > >> at all recently? Did the server restart at all and if so are the
 > >> firewall
 > >> rules (if any) permitting external traffic?
 > >>
 > >> You could check the apache logs to see if any external connections are
 > >> getting through to the box at all, too.
 > >>
 > >> Is the lynx test connecting from the same box to itself? or from another
 > >> FreeBSD box..?
 > >
 > >>From the same box to itself.

What about from other boxes 'inside' your domain?

 > >> --
 > >> Also, what Chris said would cover most of these. :)
 > >>
 > >> Cheers,
 > >> Mark
 > >
 > > Chris wrote:
 > >
 > >>Sounds like a (probebly external) firewall issue. Just because pings get
 > >>through, doesn't mean the http requests are.
 > >
 > > No firewall on my machine.

No, but there are (hopefully :) Stanford firewall/s between you and the 
outside world.  Might they have upgraded policy about allowing inbound 
port 80 connections to boxes not known/expected to be running servers?

 > >>I'd run ngrep or tcpdump on the console and double-check that the packets
 > >>are actually making it to the server.
 > >
 > >>Also, do a "sockstat -4" and make sure it's listening on the approprate
 > >>IP.
 > >
 > > Thank you both--
 > >
 > > sockstat -4 show that it's listening on *:80, which is right.
 > > Neither tcpdump (assuming I'm reading it correcting) nor httpd-access.log
 > > shows any tcp packets at all getting through except when lynx is run
 > > from the machine on which apache is running after Sept 12 at 2:12 a.m.
 > > Thus, I assume packets are not getting to the server, except when
 > > requested from the local machine.

Sounds like your machine is setup ok, but inbound tcp setup packets are 
apparently getting blocked upstream.

 > > email and ftp are working--and I can log into the machine remotely--
 > > so stuff is getting out and in.  tcpdump shows a lot of other activity,

Specific like 'tcpdump -pn -i $iface tcp port 80' quells other noise.

 > > So, I'm stumped.
 > >
 > >Annelise

Ok, ping and DNS look fine.  I (also) can traceroute your box this far:

14  bbrb-isp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.1.155)  193.489 ms  193.562 ms  195.603 ms
15  * * *
16  * * *
17  * * *
18  * *^C

I don't know whether you allow inbound traceroutes? but the question 
now is, how many routers between you and and bbrb-isp.Stanford.EDU ?

Can you show us a 'traceroute bbrb-isp.Stanford.EDU' from your machine?

 > This might sound like an odd test, but try configuring it to sit on a port
 > other than 80 (8080, for example) and seeing if you get the same problem
 > there.
 >
 > Cheers,
 > Mark

If you're thinking what I'm thinking, 8080's just as unlikely to work :)

cheers, Ian
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