DTP under FreeBSD/UNIX.

2002-12-22 Thread lewiz
Hi,

  I'm looking for some powerful DTP software for FreeBSD / UNIX in
general (Linux would be fine, emulation is nice :).  I am familiar with
CorelDRAW (I have version 10) but so long as the software is quite
powerful I'd be willing to put the effort in to learn it.

  I want to design a yearbook for my college, I've got some nice stuff
in CorelDRAW right now.  It'd need to be fairly sturdy.  Any information
would be appreciated.  I know of the KDE/GNOME projects but haven't used
them, any feedback on these would be good.

  Thanks very much,

-lewiz.

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Re: DTP under FreeBSD/UNIX.

2002-12-22 Thread nate
lewiz said:
 Hi,

   I'm looking for some powerful DTP software for FreeBSD / UNIX in
 general (Linux would be fine, emulation is nice :).  I am familiar with
 CorelDRAW (I have version 10) but so long as the software is quite
 powerful I'd be willing to put the effort in to learn it.

   I want to design a yearbook for my college, I've got some nice stuff
 in CorelDRAW right now.  It'd need to be fairly sturdy.  Any information
 would be appreciated.  I know of the KDE/GNOME projects but haven't used
 them, any feedback on these would be good.

never used it before but it's been out for a while:

http://linux.corel.com/products/draw/index.htm

also never tried but ..
http://xibios.free.fr/english/xclamation.html
http://www.atlantictechsolutions.com/scribusdocs/projects.html
http://www.mediascape.com/artstream-linux.html

see google for more ..

nate




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Re: DTP under FreeBSD/UNIX.

2002-12-22 Thread David S. Jackson
On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 04:07:13PM + lewiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 
   I'm looking for some powerful DTP software for FreeBSD / UNIX in
 general (Linux would be fine, emulation is nice :).  

Hi Lewiz.  Powerful is a funny word to use when comparing
Windows/Earlymac software with *Nix.  TeX and groff are some of the most
powerful typesetting/publishing software ever created, but there's a
steep learning curve before you can be productive with it.

You have to remember that *Nix was around long before graphical user
interfaces were common.  There're worlds of software available through a
CLI (commandline interface).  And, once you get used to it, this type of
software has a lot of advantages over graphically oriented software.

 I am familiar with
 CorelDRAW (I have version 10) but so long as the software is quite
 powerful I'd be willing to put the effort in to learn it.

I have never used CorelDRAW, so I don't know what all it does.  But it
sounds kinda like a drawing program with extras.  (Probably an
understatement.)  You might look at some of the graphics packages in the
new kde or gnome.  Open Office probably has a fairly good graphics
package.  Some of the word processors have some graphics capability,
though I doubt they're anywhere near where FrameMaker and that type of
software is (was?).

   I want to design a yearbook for my college, I've got some nice stuff
 in CorelDRAW right now.  It'd need to be fairly sturdy.  Any information
 would be appreciated.  I know of the KDE/GNOME projects but haven't used
 them, any feedback on these would be good.

Your goal, then, is to create camera ready copy, right?  I think that's
what DTP normally implies, but even that could have changed since I was
doing it.  ;-)  

May I suggest that you take a larger view of the project and consider
various ways to use the data that goes into a yearbook.  It might be
possible to create an SGML application with an SQL database that could
give you many ways to reuse the data, including camera ready copy for
the printer.  But if you think of the data clearly and efficiently, you
could also generate output for CDs for your class or school, a class
website, specialized products for special interest groups in your class
(sell the wrestling team or whoever all their data that didn't make it
into the yearbook, for instance), or even print a web-based yearbook as
well, without the restrictions that come with the printed format.

Anyway, you could also just search graphics and desktop publishing and
Linux/BSD application sites for software.  I just googled desktop
publishing +linux and got
http://www.epinions.com/cmsw-Graphics-All-Adobe_Framemaker

Seems you can get Adobe FrameMaker (with decent SGML capapbility) for
some UNIX flavors after all.  It ain't cheap, though.  :-)

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Re: DTP under FreeBSD/UNIX.

2002-12-22 Thread lewiz
On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 04:47:55PM -0500, David S. Jackson wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 04:07:13PM + lewiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi,
  
I'm looking for some powerful DTP software for FreeBSD / UNIX in
  general (Linux would be fine, emulation is nice :).  
 
 Hi Lewiz.  Powerful is a funny word to use when comparing
 Windows/Earlymac software with *Nix.  TeX and groff are some of the most
 powerful typesetting/publishing software ever created, but there's a
 steep learning curve before you can be productive with it.

Hehe, yeah, I agree.  I've been playing around with TeX for a while just
recently.  I can do a bit with it - ie, write an essay, include a few
pictures but tbh, I really would _hate_ to try and do a modern
graphics-intensive DTP project in it.  It's almost too clumsy yet...
much more elegant at the same time ;)

 though I doubt they're anywhere near where FrameMaker and that type of
 software is (was?).

Hehe, still is.  I've looked at it a bit - for Windows only though.
There was a Linux BETA of FrameMaker (or maybe it was PageMaker) but I
couldn't get it to run under emulation, which was a bit disappointing.

 May I suggest that you take a larger view of the project and consider
 various ways to use the data that goes into a yearbook.  It might be
 possible to create an SGML application with an SQL database that could
 give you many ways to reuse the data, including camera ready copy for
 the printer.  But if you think of the data clearly and efficiently, you
 could also generate output for CDs for your class or school, a class
 website, specialized products for special interest groups in your class
 (sell the wrestling team or whoever all their data that didn't make it
 into the yearbook, for instance), or even print a web-based yearbook as
 well, without the restrictions that come with the printed format.

I'm toying with the idea of a website now.  For my school ICT coursework
I'm doing some PHP coding for an ex-pupils website.  Once I've finished
this I might modify it a bit and make it the perfect base for such an
idea.  Not got far with this yet, though.

  Thanks very much for your ideas, they've been very useful.

-lewiz.

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Re: DTP under FreeBSD/UNIX.

2002-12-22 Thread lewiz
On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 12:15:55PM -0800, nate wrote:
I want to design a yearbook for my college, I've got some nice stuff
  in CorelDRAW right now.  It'd need to be fairly sturdy.  Any information
  would be appreciated.  I know of the KDE/GNOME projects but haven't used
  them, any feedback on these would be good.
 
 never used it before but it's been out for a while:
 
 http://linux.corel.com/products/draw/index.htm

Yeah, I knew about this.  Unfortunately, it's no longer available for
purchase and, what I consider to be even more important - if I've
already paid for it, I don't feel totally happy paying again for the
same thing, simply for a different platform!  grin

 also never tried but ..
 http://xibios.free.fr/english/xclamation.html

I've just had a look at the website and I've never heard of this before.
The screenshots look _very_ encouraging.  Looks like the site is a bit
dodgy -- some of the links don't work and stuff.  I'll see what I can do
with this one, and tell you how I get on.

  Thanks very much for the details.

-lewiz.

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Don't get mad -- get even.

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