Re: Dual-boot WinXP: FreeBSD slice within 8GB? Space for EasyBoot?
> > Hello - > > I'm going to install FreeBSD to make a dual-boot laptop (keeping WinXP-Pro). > It has 60GB on a single hard drive, currently one big NTFS "partition" (C:) > - which I will shrink down to about 16GB with PartitionMagic, leaving a > new generic FAT or FAT32 slice which FreeBSD will overwrite. > > I have 2 questions: > > (1) Does the FreeBSD slice have to start before 8GB to be bootable? Not as far as FreeBSD is concerned. Since your laptop is fairly recent - last 6 years or so. Then not as far as the BIOS is concerned either. Older than that might be a problem. > > (2) Is there free space before the WinXP slice already for EasyBoot? Since that is where your WinXP is and it is what did the original allocating, you will have to check it out from that point of view. FreeBSD has nothing to do with that if you shrink the MS slice and make the slice for FreeBSD come after the MS slice - which is the way you want it. I think your Partition Magic can tell you if there are any spare sectors in front of the MS slice (partition in their terms).By the way, make the Partition Magic boot floppies and work from them when shrinking the MS NTFS slice to make room for a FreeBSD slice. It won't work from one installed on the hard disk because you will be modifying the slice it is running from. I don't know if EasyBoot needs extra space or not - haven't used it. But you don't really need it to dual boot the machine between FreeBSD and WinXP-pro. The machine I am typing on at the moment is dual booted between FreeBSD and Win XP-pro and I just use the regular FreeBSD MBR. Its only annoyance is that since the MS slice is NTFS it identifies it as ?? in the boot menu. But it works just fine. If you just have to have a different MBR/booter to make the menu look pretty, then leave the first full track unallocated. I don't think it is worth the bother of trying to move the MS slice if it didn't already leave the room, just to get rid of the ?? in the boot menu.But, maybe you have more time in your life to mess with those details than I do in mine. jerry > > Thanks. > > - Stefan > > > > Further details below: > > (1) Does the FreeBSD slice have to start before 8GB to be bootable? > === > This is a new machine, so I assume I have BIOS LBA, which got rid of the > dreaded "1024 cylinder limit". But the link below (very optimistic, but > talking about hard drive with only 1.6GB, way less than 8GB) implies that > even with BIOS LBA, my FreeBSD slice still needs to start before 8GB: > > http://geodsoft.com/howto/dualboot/"With BIOS LBA, the hard disk size > limitation is virtually removed (well, pushed up to 8 Gigabytes anyway). If > you have an LBA BIOS, you can put FreeBSD or any OS anywhere you want and not > hit the 1024 cylinder limit." > > I know people say that FreeBSD can boot from "anywhere" - but even if its > slice starts way out around 20GB?? > > > (2) Is there free space before the WinXP slice already for EasyBoot? > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/multi-os/x191.html > "Some operating systems (FreeBSD included) let you start their partitions > right after the Master Boot Sector at Cylinder 0, Head 0, Sector 2 if you > want. ... Then when you go to install your boot manager, if it is one that > occupies a few extra sectors after the MBR, it will overwrite the front of > the first partition's data. In the case of FreeBSD, this overwrites the disk > label, and renders your FreeBSD partition unbootable. > The easy way to avoid this problem (and leave yourself the flexibility to try > different boot managers later) is just to always leave the first full track > on your disk unallocated when you partition your disk. That is, leave the > space from Cylinder 0, Head 0, Sector 2 through Cylinder 0, Head 0, Sector 63 > unallocated, and start your first partition at Cylinder 0, Head 1, Sector 1. > For what it is worth, when you create a DOS partition at the front of your > disk, DOS leaves this space open by default (this is why some boot managers > assume it is free). So creating a DOS partition up at the front of your disk > avoids this problem altogether. I like to do this myself, creating 1 Meg DOS > partition up front, because it also avoids my primary DOS drive letters > shifting later when I repartition." > > As my laptop already has a DOS (WinXP-NTFS) slice at the beginning of the > hard drive, can I just shrink this slice down to about 20GB, install FreeBSD > on the slice after that, install EasyBoot, and assume that EasyBoot will be > tucked into that sliver of free space before Cylinder 0, Head 1, Sector 1? > > Thanks, > Stefan > > > > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our
RE: Dual-boot WinXP: FreeBSD slice within 8GB? Space for EasyBoot?
> -Original Message- > From: Maude User [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 3:40 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Dual-boot WinXP: FreeBSD slice within 8GB? Space for > EasyBoot? > > > Hello - > > I'm going to install FreeBSD to make a dual-boot laptop > (keeping WinXP-Pro). It has 60GB on a single hard drive, > currently one big NTFS "partition" (C:) - which I will shrink > down to about 16GB with PartitionMagic, leaving a new generic > FAT or FAT32 slice which FreeBSD will overwrite. > > I have 2 questions: > > (1) Does the FreeBSD slice have to start before 8GB to be bootable? > > (2) Is there free space before the WinXP slice already for EasyBoot? > > Thanks. > > - Stefan Stefan, I just did the same sort of set up. The only difference was that I blew everything away and started from scratch. I used 3 partitions. The first for WinXP-Pro, The second for FreeBSD, and the third as a drive for swapping files between the two. I set up WinXP-Pro on my first partition using NTFS and alotted 15GB. The "swap" partition was the third partition, 12GB, and formatted as FAT32. FreeBSD was assigned the remainder of the 50GB harddrive and assigned into Partition 2. I installed WinXP first, then FreeBSD and allowed FreeBSD to install it's multi-boot manager and I haven't had any problems with booting either OS. HTH, Jon Bomgardner > > > > Further details below: > > (1) Does the FreeBSD slice have to start before 8GB to be bootable? > === > This is a new machine, so I assume I have BIOS LBA, which got > rid of the dreaded "1024 cylinder limit". But the link below > (very optimistic, but talking about hard drive with only > 1.6GB, way less than 8GB) implies that even with BIOS LBA, my > FreeBSD slice still needs to start before 8GB: > > http://geodsoft.com/howto/dualboot/"With BIOS LBA, the hard > disk size limitation is virtually removed (well, pushed up to > 8 Gigabytes anyway). If you have an LBA BIOS, you can put > FreeBSD or any OS anywhere you want and not hit the 1024 > cylinder limit." > > I know people say that FreeBSD can boot from "anywhere" - but > even if its slice starts way out around 20GB?? > > > (2) Is there free space before the WinXP slice already for EasyBoot? > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/multi-os/x191.html > "Some operating systems (FreeBSD included) let you start > their partitions right after the Master Boot Sector at > Cylinder 0, Head 0, Sector 2 if you want. ... Then when you > go to install your boot manager, if it is one that occupies a > few extra sectors after the MBR, it will overwrite the front > of the first partition's data. In the case of FreeBSD, this > overwrites the disk label, and renders your FreeBSD partition > unbootable. > The easy way to avoid this problem (and leave yourself the > flexibility to try different boot managers later) is just to > always leave the first full track on your disk unallocated > when you partition your disk. That is, leave the space from > Cylinder 0, Head 0, Sector 2 through Cylinder 0, Head 0, > Sector 63 unallocated, and start your first partition at > Cylinder 0, Head 1, Sector 1. For what it is worth, when you > create a DOS partition at the front of your disk, DOS leaves > this space open by default (this is why some boot managers > assume it is free). So creating a DOS partition up at the > front of your disk avoids this problem altogether. I like to > do this myself, creating 1 Meg DOS partition up front, > because it also avoids my primary DOS drive letters shifting > later when I repartition." > > As my laptop already has a DOS (WinXP-NTFS) slice at the > beginning of the hard drive, can I just shrink this slice > down to about 20GB, install FreeBSD on the slice after that, > install EasyBoot, and assume that EasyBoot will be tucked > into that sliver of free space before Cylinder 0, Head 1, Sector 1? > > Thanks, > Stefan > > > > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > > == This communic
Dual-boot WinXP: FreeBSD slice within 8GB? Space for EasyBoot?
Hello - I'm going to install FreeBSD to make a dual-boot laptop (keeping WinXP-Pro). It has 60GB on a single hard drive, currently one big NTFS "partition" (C:) - which I will shrink down to about 16GB with PartitionMagic, leaving a new generic FAT or FAT32 slice which FreeBSD will overwrite. I have 2 questions: (1) Does the FreeBSD slice have to start before 8GB to be bootable? (2) Is there free space before the WinXP slice already for EasyBoot? Thanks. - Stefan Further details below: (1) Does the FreeBSD slice have to start before 8GB to be bootable? === This is a new machine, so I assume I have BIOS LBA, which got rid of the dreaded "1024 cylinder limit". But the link below (very optimistic, but talking about hard drive with only 1.6GB, way less than 8GB) implies that even with BIOS LBA, my FreeBSD slice still needs to start before 8GB: http://geodsoft.com/howto/dualboot/"With BIOS LBA, the hard disk size limitation is virtually removed (well, pushed up to 8 Gigabytes anyway). If you have an LBA BIOS, you can put FreeBSD or any OS anywhere you want and not hit the 1024 cylinder limit." I know people say that FreeBSD can boot from "anywhere" - but even if its slice starts way out around 20GB?? (2) Is there free space before the WinXP slice already for EasyBoot? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/multi-os/x191.html "Some operating systems (FreeBSD included) let you start their partitions right after the Master Boot Sector at Cylinder 0, Head 0, Sector 2 if you want. ... Then when you go to install your boot manager, if it is one that occupies a few extra sectors after the MBR, it will overwrite the front of the first partition's data. In the case of FreeBSD, this overwrites the disk label, and renders your FreeBSD partition unbootable. The easy way to avoid this problem (and leave yourself the flexibility to try different boot managers later) is just to always leave the first full track on your disk unallocated when you partition your disk. That is, leave the space from Cylinder 0, Head 0, Sector 2 through Cylinder 0, Head 0, Sector 63 unallocated, and start your first partition at Cylinder 0, Head 1, Sector 1. For what it is worth, when you create a DOS partition at the front of your disk, DOS leaves this space open by default (this is why some boot managers assume it is free). So creating a DOS partition up at the front of your disk avoids this problem altogether. I like to do this myself, creating 1 Meg DOS partition up front, because it also avoids my primary DOS drive letters shifting later when I repartition." As my laptop already has a DOS (WinXP-NTFS) slice at the beginning of the hard drive, can I just shrink this slice down to about 20GB, install FreeBSD on the slice after that, install EasyBoot, and assume that EasyBoot will be tucked into that sliver of free space before Cylinder 0, Head 1, Sector 1? Thanks, Stefan - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Dual Boot WinXP + FreeBSD
Hello I would recommend creating a Fat 32 partion for transferring files between FreeBSD and XP. This will work as long as you have not used all (four per drive) of your primary partions. > but when the instalation begun, I realized it couldn´t read mu NTFS drives > so I thought the instalation wouldn´t work, then I ask you guys: You are deleting the Linux ext* filesystem and replacing it with the FreeBSD UFS? FreeBSD can read the unformatted partions. On Saturday 27 December 2003 05:14 pm, Julio Cesar wrote: > Hello everyone > This is my first post here and I wanted to say that I looked for this info > everywhere but didn´t find that´s why I´m making this simple question. I´m > right now using Win XP but till yesterday I used to run a dual boot system > (RedHat 9/XP) but I decided to send RH to Hell and replace it to FreeBSD > but when the instalation begun, I realized it couldn´t read mu NTFS drives > so I thought the instalation wouldn´t work, then I ask you guys: > > 1. Can I have another dual boot on my machine with XP (NTFS) and FreeBSD? > 2. Where can I read more about the process of instalation to keep my XP > partition alive? > > Thank You > > Julio Cesar > MCP ID #3092980 > PGP KEY ID 0x7086BA80 > (81) 9139-0024 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Dual Boot WinXP + FreeBSD
On Sunday 28 December 2003 09:50 am, Brian Black wrote: > Hi Julio, > > i have installed freebsd along side NTFS systems for some time now and > they do work. you need to make sure in /stand/sysinstall that u have > your partitions, slices etc set up correctly,(I mean set up the way > that u think is correct). For Example, even though the XP slice that i > have is the 3rd slice on my box(FreeBsd 5-Current, then RH9 Then WinXp) > the device name for my xp slice still reads /dev/ad0s1. Though this > dont seem right it works, i thought that it should read /dev/ad0s3. > > So to try and answer your questions. > > 1. Can I have another dual boot on my machine with XP (NTFS) and FreeBSD? > > yes u can, remember that u can mount the xp slice for "READ" not > "Write". You can only read from the ntfs. "man mount" for more > information. > (for people who wish to correct me, there are some way to write to the > ntfs, i know but as a general rule dont write to this file system type.) > > > 2. Where can I read more about the process of instalation to keep my XP > partition alive? > > u can read more in the handbook. if u do not tamper with your xp > partition durring /stand/systinstall then the partition will not be > bothered. (just remember what the device name is when you are using fips). > > > What boot loader are u planning on using? i have tried > BOOTMAGIC,FREEBSDs boot loader and also i have used grub (which is > available in the ports). With grub i was not able to boot fbsd when my > fbsd slice was formated with ufs2. this might have been fixed though. FWIW, I currently run a laptop with almost this exact configuration. I have Windows XP Home (preinstalled when purchased) on one side and FreeBSD 4.9 on the other. I used Partition Magic to shrink my live XP file system and I use the Boot Magic (comes with PM if you buy retail) and everything works great. I have tried GRUB, but I never could get it working right, but I didn't try very hard. I used the FreeBSD boot manager for about 5 years and it worked OK, no matter how I had hard disks and partitions and OSes configured. I only went to Boot Magic because I have ignorant people that need to use my computer sometimes and the ?? prompt for an OS with ntfs was too confusing. Oh well. HTH Eric Crist AdTech Integrated Systems, Inc ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Dual Boot WinXP + FreeBSD
Hi Julio, i have installed freebsd along side NTFS systems for some time now and they do work. you need to make sure in /stand/sysinstall that u have your partitions, slices etc set up correctly,(I mean set up the way that u think is correct). For Example, even though the XP slice that i have is the 3rd slice on my box(FreeBsd 5-Current, then RH9 Then WinXp) the device name for my xp slice still reads /dev/ad0s1. Though this dont seem right it works, i thought that it should read /dev/ad0s3. So to try and answer your questions. 1. Can I have another dual boot on my machine with XP (NTFS) and FreeBSD? yes u can, remember that u can mount the xp slice for "READ" not "Write". You can only read from the ntfs. "man mount" for more information. (for people who wish to correct me, there are some way to write to the ntfs, i know but as a general rule dont write to this file system type.) 2. Where can I read more about the process of instalation to keep my XP partition alive? u can read more in the handbook. if u do not tamper with your xp partition durring /stand/systinstall then the partition will not be bothered. (just remember what the device name is when you are using fips). What boot loader are u planning on using? i have tried BOOTMAGIC,FREEBSDs boot loader and also i have used grub (which is available in the ports). With grub i was not able to boot fbsd when my fbsd slice was formated with ufs2. this might have been fixed though. have fun. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Dual Boot WinXP + FreeBSD
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:14:24 -0300, Julio Cesar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello everyone This is my first post here and I wanted to say that I looked for this info everywhere but didnÂt find thatÂs why IÂm making this simple question. IÂm right now using Win XP but till yesterday I used to run a dual boot system (RedHat 9/XP) but I decided to send RH to Hell and replace it to FreeBSD but when the instalation begun, I realized it couldnÂt read mu NTFS drives so I thought the instalation wouldnÂt work, then I ask you guys: 1. Can I have another dual boot on my machine with XP (NTFS) and FreeBSD? 2. Where can I read more about the process of instalation to keep my XP partition alive? Thank You Julio Cesar MCP ID #3092980 PGP KEY ID 0x7086BA80 (81) 9139-0024 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Everywhere, apparently, other than the Frequently Asked Questions link on the home page of the FreeBSD web site. :) http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#NT-BOOTLOADER> You will also find many good answers to your question that have appeared in this mailing list if you search at http://freebsd.rambler.ru/>. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Dual Boot WinXP + FreeBSD
Hello everyone This is my first post here and I wanted to say that I looked for this info everywhere but didn´t find that´s why I´m making this simple question. I´m right now using Win XP but till yesterday I used to run a dual boot system (RedHat 9/XP) but I decided to send RH to Hell and replace it to FreeBSD but when the instalation begun, I realized it couldn´t read mu NTFS drives so I thought the instalation wouldn´t work, then I ask you guys: 1. Can I have another dual boot on my machine with XP (NTFS) and FreeBSD? 2. Where can I read more about the process of instalation to keep my XP partition alive? Thank You Julio Cesar MCP ID #3092980 PGP KEY ID 0x7086BA80 (81) 9139-0024 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
dual-boot winxp freebsd 5.1
I am trying to dual-boot winxp and freebsd 5.1-stable. I installed the went through the prescribed routine. 1. Installing windows first. 2. Installing freebsd next. 2. Copy /boot/boot1 to c:\bootsect.bsd 3. add the line C:\bootsect.bsd="FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE" to c:\boot.ini At this point, the windows bootloader gives me a selection menu. I think it goes 1) for windows 2) for freebsd. But when I try to boot into bsd, it tells me: Error: hal.dll is missing or corrupted and won't go any further. Windows boots just fine. I have tried to reinstall this hal.dll from the rescue disk that came from the manufaturer. This does nothing. I have tried to download a hal.dll from some dll download site. This just confused all of my drivers. Help me here. This is getting very time-consuming and I unfortunately can't just get rid of windows. What the %*$^& am I doing wrong. Confused, RAR ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
