Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 06:02 am, Matthew Seaman wrote: So ... if your flavour of Windoze can read FAT32, a FAT32 partition is a very good idea because all the commonly-available unices can read it as well. If it can't ... the options aren't so good. I'd think ext2 would be the only workable alternative to FAT16, but neither is desirable. BTW, I haven't found one, but does anyone have a way to make WinNT read FAT32? Found that myself: www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/utilities.shtml Which allowed me to download fat32.exe which allows NT to read/write but not create or format FAT32 partitions. Works OK. You know, every time I think I'm becoming too cynical about the Windows world, all I need to do is read a post like this, and remind myself that it is impossible to be /too/ cynical about Windows. It gets worse. I did some googling about VFAT and unices and found that it is a feature of VFAT that all files/directories are seen by unices as root-only access AND that this is immutable in situ. drwxr--r-- 25 root root16384 Dec 31 1969 hdb5 drwxr--r--9 root root16384 Jul 23 23:28 FreeBSD-docs -rwxr--r--1 root root71142 Jul 23 23:28 install-FreeBSD-notes I CAN copy a file (as root) to my personal home directory and (as root) chown and chmod there. I can then deal with the file as I wish. However, saving to the VFAT directory can only be done as root and the permissions then revert to -rwxr--r- root root. Not nice. So it looks as though ext2 (using explore2fs from Windoze) is the only alternative to fat16. -- Regards, Brian sos-sa.org.au ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
Brian Astill wrote: On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:13 am, Matthew Seaman wrote: Ah. A crucial bit of information that was missing from the original post. Standard practice in that case is to create a partition on the system with a filesystem that both OSes can read and write. Between Windows and FreeBSD that boils down to msdosfs, or in Windows-speak FAT32. (FAT12 and FAT16 are also supported, but why on earth would you want to use them if FAT32 works?) Sounds fine - BUT! M$ being M$ even different versions of Windoze cannot read different M$ files. eg WinNT cannot read FAT32. The NTFS in XP is different from that in WinNT. Other versions of Windoze cannot read either of the NTFS versions. The only universal is FAT16, which limits you to 2G partitions. So ... if your flavour of Windoze can read FAT32, a FAT32 partition is a very good idea because all the commonly-available unices can read it as well. If it can't ... the options aren't so good. I'd think ext2 would be the only workable alternative to FAT16, but neither is desirable. BTW, I haven't found one, but does anyone have a way to make WinNT read FAT32? You know, every time I think I'm becoming too cynical about the Windows world, all I need to do is read a post like this, and remind myself that it is impossible to be /too/ cynical about Windows. The only possible reason M$ could have for withdrawing FAT32 support completely from their product line is to make it harder for people to interoperate with free-Unixoid systems. A move which must be based on the arrogant belief that they have the world clasped so firmly by the short-and-curlies that it will do /anything/ other than give up using Windows. That is a very curious idea. People want their computers to interoperate. There's a huge effort going into making that happen in the Free-Unix world. If M$ starts trying to remove all of the functionality that permits that, then one day they are going to wake up and find that their userbase has decamped to running the sort of systems where they can actually get stuff done... It would be comical if it wasn't so tragic. M$ needs to learn the lessons of history: there have been any number of corporate giants who have achieved some sort of transitory pre-eminence in computing and then faded right away. (Where is DEC nowadays? Just a small part of a sub-division of HP) And the start of their downfall was because they tried to lock their customers into their proprietary systems, instead of competing on equal terms. Anyhow, this really is getting off-topic for [EMAIL PROTECTED] and should have gone to [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead. Followup-to: set appropriately. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 8 Dane Court Manor School Rd PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Tilmanstone Tel: +44 1304 617253 Kent, CT14 0JL UK signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
P.B.S. wrote: ffsdrv seems to be able to mount only the first slice. I couldn't get it mount any other slice after playing with it for some time. # df -h Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad4s1a496M124M332M27%/ devfs 1.0K1.0K 0B 100%/dev /dev/ad4s1e248M110K228M 0%/tmp /dev/ad4s1f 18G 14G2.6G84%/usr /dev/ad4s1d248M 63M165M27%/var /dev/ad4s3 42G 29G 13G69%/mnt/c /dev/ad4s5 172G161G 12G93%/mnt/d Mounts /dev/ad4s1a only. I need /usr/home/ (ad4s1f). Any ideas? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was able to get it to read from /usr with some trial and error. Unfortunately i'm not running with admin privileges (On XP) right now so i can't reproduce. I'm using Windows XP -SP2 and a standard file system layout on FreeBSD 5.3. I think the following should work for ad4s1f if you haven't tried this combination yet. FFS Disk 4 FFS Parition 1 Disklabel 6 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
Brian Astill wrote: On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:39 am, Joshua Lokken wrote: On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:20:40 +0200, P. B. S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I do that? explore2fs is for ext2/3 only. I want to copy files from my FreeBSD filesystem (UFS2, I think?) using Windows. http://us1.samba.org/samba/ # cd /usr/ports/net/samba3 # make install clean Then you can share your FreeBSD files over Samba, and have access to them from your Winboxen. That's fine for two separate boxes, but has no hope whatsoever is the Windoze and FBSD OSs are in the same box (perhaps even on the same drive). Ah. A crucial bit of information that was missing from the original post. Standard practice in that case is to create a partition on the system with a filesystem that both OSes can read and write. Between Windows and FreeBSD that boils down to msdosfs, or in Windows-speak FAT32. (FAT12 and FAT16 are also supported, but why on earth would you want to use them if FAT32 works?) See newfs_msdos(8), fsck_msdosfs(8), mount_msdosfs(8), msdosfs(5) Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 8 Dane Court Manor School Rd PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Tilmanstone Tel: +44 1304 617253 Kent, CT14 0JL UK signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
How can I do that? explore2fs is for ext2/3 only. I want to copy files from my FreeBSD filesystem (UFS2, I think?) using Windows. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:20:40 +0200, P. B. S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I do that? explore2fs is for ext2/3 only. I want to copy files from my FreeBSD filesystem (UFS2, I think?) using Windows. http://us1.samba.org/samba/ # cd /usr/ports/net/samba3 # make install clean Then you can share your FreeBSD files over Samba, and have access to them from your Winboxen. -- Joshua Lokken Open Source Advocate ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
P. B. S. wrote: How can I do that? explore2fs is for ext2/3 only. IIRC, explore2fs is a software utility that allows you to mount Linux ext2/3 drives directly on a Windows box. There's no similar utility for UFS. So you can't. You can, however, mount them across a network from a running FreeBSD machine, as has been noted already. Peter. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
How can I do that? explore2fs is for ext2/3 only. I want to copy files from my FreeBSD filesystem (UFS2, I think?) using Windows. Why not ftp or sftp them? Download filezilla for your windows box. dave ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
I'm talking about 1 (one) computer! The FreeBSD partition is on the same hard disk; the 2 operating systems are not working at the same time. Samba, ftp, scp, etc. are not applicable here. That's why I mentioned explore2fs... I wanted to be clear. Peter Risdon wrote: IIRC, explore2fs is a software utility that allows you to mount Linux ext2/3 drives directly on a Windows box. There's no similar utility for UFS. So you can't. I know what it is. ;) Erm... that's bad news. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
Peter Risdon wrote: IIRC, explore2fs is a software utility that allows you to mount Linux ext2/3 drives directly on a Windows box. There's no similar utility for UFS. So you can't. This is untrue. I know what it is. ;) Erm... that's bad news. you can check out http://ffsdrv.sourceforge.net. I found a solution for this a few months ago but lost the link somewhere, I'll keep you posted if I find it, Until then try this one out. Regards, Frank Laszlo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
On Dec 22, 2004, at 12:29 PM, P. B. S. wrote: I'm talking about 1 (one) computer! The FreeBSD partition is on the same hard disk; the 2 operating systems are not working at the same time. Samba, ftp, scp, etc. are not applicable here. That's why I mentioned explore2fs... I wanted to be clear. What about mounting the Windows partition under FBSD? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
Frank Laszlo wrote: Peter Risdon wrote: IIRC, explore2fs is a software utility that allows you to mount Linux ext2/3 drives directly on a Windows box. There's no similar utility for UFS. So you can't. This is untrue. OK, thanks for the update. There was a thread earlier this year that concluded there was no such utility, and I hadn't found one myself when I last looked. Peter. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:02:42 -0500, Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 22, 2004, at 12:29 PM, P. B. S. wrote: I'm talking about 1 (one) computer! The FreeBSD partition is on the same hard disk; the 2 operating systems are not working at the same time. Samba, ftp, scp, etc. are not applicable here. That's why I mentioned explore2fs... I wanted to be clear. What about mounting the Windows partition under FBSD? Yeah, is writing to NTFS implemented now? -- Joshua Lokken Open Source Advocate ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
On Dec 22, 2004, at 1:42 PM, Joshua Lokken wrote: On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:02:42 -0500, Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 22, 2004, at 12:29 PM, P. B. S. wrote: I'm talking about 1 (one) computer! The FreeBSD partition is on the same hard disk; the 2 operating systems are not working at the same time. Samba, ftp, scp, etc. are not applicable here. That's why I mentioned explore2fs... I wanted to be clear. What about mounting the Windows partition under FBSD? Yeah, is writing to NTFS implemented now? This I do not know...I thought there was experimental support for NTFS, but I haven't tried this. Another option...an external hard disk formatted FAT so both could see it? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:18:58 +, Irvin Piraman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, is writing to NTFS implemented now? From the manpages: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=mount_ntfsapropos=0sektion=0manpath=FreeBSD+5.3-RELEASE+and+Portsformat=html WRITING There is limited writing ability. Limitations: file must be nonresident and must not contain any sparces (uninitialized areas); compressed files are also not supported. The file name must not contain multibyte charac- ters. Very nice! I hadn't looked into it for awhile... Thank you, Irvin :) -- Joshua Lokken Open Source Advocate ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
Hello, P..
You wrote 22 Dec 2004, 19:20:40:
PBS How can I do that?
PBS explore2fs is for ext2/3 only.
PBS I want to copy files from my FreeBSD filesystem (UFS2, I think?) using
PBS Windows.
http://ffsdrv.sourceforge.net/ - FFS File System Driver for Windows
It enables you to read BSD(FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD) FFS partitions on Windows
2000/XP/2003.
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Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:39 am, Joshua Lokken wrote: On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:20:40 +0200, P. B. S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I do that? explore2fs is for ext2/3 only. I want to copy files from my FreeBSD filesystem (UFS2, I think?) using Windows. http://us1.samba.org/samba/ # cd /usr/ports/net/samba3 # make install clean Then you can share your FreeBSD files over Samba, and have access to them from your Winboxen. That's fine for two separate boxes, but has no hope whatsoever is the Windoze and FBSD OSs are in the same box (perhaps even on the same drive). -- Regards, Brian sos-sa.org.au ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:47 pm, Bart Silverstrim wrote: Another option...an external hard disk formatted FAT so both could see it? Fat limit is 2G. VFAT would be better - unless you run WinNT, in which case you are stuck with either multiple 2G FAT partitions on that external disk or NTFS which imposes other limitations. Ain't M$ clever? sigh -- Regards, Brian sos-sa.org.au ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
This has been posted and re-posted: If you want to view any BSD filesystem running on the same box as Windows, you can use the FFS File System Driver for Windows: http://ffsdrv.sourceforge.net HTH Irvin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 03:35 pm, Peter E. Antonov wrote: http://ffsdrv.sourceforge.net/ - FFS File System Driver for Windows It enables you to read BSD(FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD) FFS partitions on Windows 2000/XP/2003. Anyone know whether FFS works on other Windoze flavours? (I'm going to try it on NT, soon.) Sourceforge is also the source for the FFS driver. -- Regards, Brian sos-sa.org.au ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
Try http://ffsdrv.sourceforge.net/ Also, try Filezilla. Ajith Singh Pietermaritzburg South Africa ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
