Re: Hi I have a suggestion! To Imporve the perfect Freebsd!
> > On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 11:09:36AM -0800, Joe Falcone wrote: > > > ... make WINE a hidden component in > > the operating system and tell everyone about the new > > compatability... > > I'll bet the folks at OpenBSD would LOVE to hear more ideas > like this one. > > Make your suggestions on THEIR mailing list too! Their address > is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am afraid you sarcasm, though possibly well placed, probably went right over his head. jerry ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Hi I have a suggestion! To Imporve the perfect Freebsd!
On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 08:48:03PM -0500, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > > On Mar 28, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Joe Falcone wrote: > > >With your help your os will > >become a alternetive to all operating systems on the > >market. > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but... > a) the goal of FreeBSD isn't to become a marketed product, per se... and > b) FreeBSD already IS an alternative to marketed OS's. > > >If you will make WINE a hidden component in > >the operating system and tell everyone about the new > >compatability you will make a difference in operating > >systems of future computing. > > Disturbing... > a) why make Windows out of a system that isn't Windows? If you need > it...why not just run it? > b) I don't WANT invisible compatibility. I don't need the virus > propagations and hacks for one OS showing up in another one. > > I *like* knowing that I can have a virus binary on my system sandboxed > tightly in because it *can't* run on my platform. I regularly test > some of my mailscanners and AV implementations using files saved on my > OS X system. > > >Make a difference and > >change the way operating systems work by taking this > >advice of mine and you will have a flawless operating > >system of sorts. > Bart brings up some good points. Maybe we don't need the OS to change as much as we need users to change, and, of course, a few noticeable deficiencies in available apps corrected. It's possible to see the O.P.'s argument as, "since Windows rules the world, if you do what they do you will rule instead" Reminds me of a story about a snake, a chick, and an apple...IIRC, that didn't work out too well ;-) Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Hi I have a suggestion! To Imporve the perfect Freebsd!
On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 11:09:36AM -0800, Joe Falcone wrote: > ... make WINE a hidden component in > the operating system and tell everyone about the new > compatability... I'll bet the folks at OpenBSD would LOVE to hear more ideas like this one. Make your suggestions on THEIR mailing list too! Their address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Hi I have a suggestion! To Imporve the perfect Freebsd!
Jorn Argelo wrote: The idea is alright, but Wine is far from perfection. In fact, many large programs and 3D applications won't even run with wine. Why? First because it's still in Alpa fase. Secocond, they depend on DirectX, and Wine only emulates the API part of Windows. You could use WineX, but that is an commercial program, so it cannot be shipped with FreeBSD. Third, Microsoft constantly changes the API code, and sometimes they don't publish documentation regarding the code. Besides, who needs Windows programs anyway? You have everything you want for free, except for games. Let me add my frustration to the beautiful world of free Unix software. I'm working in physical chemistry environment at the university. My M$-Window$ collegues use Microcal Origin for the graphical data analysis. I must admit that this software is fantastic and I sometimes feel my style of data analysis is from the stone age. The problem is, there's no such thing available in the free software pool and Microcal refuses to port Origin to Unix environment. I've tried running it over Wine, but failed. Don't tell me there's Grace (or equivalents); that's no comparison at all! Now there is a commercial Unix alternative: Tecplot. But I'm unable to change the minds of all my collegues to switch to Tecplot only for my sake. Spending few thousand dollars for my Tecplot license, just because I stick to FreeBSD, is not an option. So not only the games-people, but also research environment can be in trouble when embedded in a Windows oriented environment. Regards, Rob. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Hi I have a suggestion! To Imporve the perfect Freebsd!
On Mar 28, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Joe Falcone wrote: With your help your os will become a alternetive to all operating systems on the market. Correct me if I'm wrong, but... a) the goal of FreeBSD isn't to become a marketed product, per se... and b) FreeBSD already IS an alternative to marketed OS's. If you will make WINE a hidden component in the operating system and tell everyone about the new compatability you will make a difference in operating systems of future computing. Disturbing... a) why make Windows out of a system that isn't Windows? If you need it...why not just run it? b) I don't WANT invisible compatibility. I don't need the virus propagations and hacks for one OS showing up in another one. I *like* knowing that I can have a virus binary on my system sandboxed tightly in because it *can't* run on my platform. I regularly test some of my mailscanners and AV implementations using files saved on my OS X system. Make a difference and change the way operating systems work by taking this advice of mine and you will have a flawless operating system of sorts. Except that it runs Windows stuff. :-p YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM WILL DO IT ALL No OS is perfect if it aims to be all things for all people. Focus on the strengths that work best for the OS niche, and you'll have a usable system for that segment...at least that's my philosophy. I've been wrong many times before though :-) if you make this a special component in the operating system. We can acomplish! The world needs windows programs without the "blue screen of death" So do this and you will be rewarded inside af how you changed the world! Then wait for MS to fix their problems. Me, I'm happy with my servers running FreeBSD and Linux and my notebook running OS X and I tolerate the servers the end users use with Win2k :-/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Hi I have a suggestion! To Imporve the perfect Freebsd!
> From: Jorn Argelo > Sent: March 28, 2004 13:43 > > ... > > By the way, I don't think that "nerdly" is an appropiate way to > adress the folks. They do great work. Perhaps I always saw it > wrong, but I find nerd a negative way to describe a person who > has interests in computers. > > ... Agreed. The correct term is "geeky". -Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Hi I have a suggestion! To Imporve the perfect Freebsd!
On Sunday 28 March 2004 22:23, Chuck McManis wrote: > At 11:58 AM 3/28/2004, Jorn Argelo wrote: > >True. However, so far you've just mentioned the CAD programs. I don't > > think that that is a large group when you compare it with the Office > > users for instance. > > Come on, lets be fair, if we wanted to limit the application to simply > "emacs" guess what? Freebsd is craploads better than Windows! Whippee! > We're #1! True enough. > >FreeBSD offers many options for almost every kind of computer user. I > > believe that that is important as well. > > The above statement is not accurate, and believing it to be accurate will > limit where FreeBSD can go. FreeBSD offers an option to a small population > of users, those who use Windows to do "Office" tasks. Its also a great > environment for the nerdly types who endlessly reinvent computer languages > or window system widgets. Unfortunately those same windows users are the > most clueless of computer users and cannot appreciate what FreeBSD does > differently. However, what I was trying to say is that FreeBSD provides a wide array of appliations to do your daily work on (Unless you're a graphics designer). I mean, what purpose do most desktop computers have at a workplace? Office applications. You can control your servers if you're an system administrator, and you can do everything else one can request from an average workstation (e-mail, internet, etc). So that is what I was trying to say. Other then that, you are quite correct saying about the other Windows users. The problem is though, everybody grows up with Windows. Most people don't even know that any other OS then Windows exists. By the way, I don't think that "nerdly" is an appropiate way to adress the folks. They do great work. Perhaps I always saw it wrong, but I find nerd a negative way to describe a person who has interests in computers. I know it's not interesting for the discussion, but I just had to get that from my chest. Thanks for sharing your opinion Chuck. I am always open for other point of view on things. Cheers, Jorn. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Hi I have a suggestion! To Imporve the perfect Freebsd!
On Sunday 28 March 2004 02:23 pm, Chuck McManis wrote: > At 11:58 AM 3/28/2004, Jorn Argelo wrote: > >True. However, so far you've just mentioned the CAD programs. I don't > > think that that is a large group when you compare it with the Office > > users for instance. > > Come on, lets be fair, if we wanted to limit the application to simply > "emacs" guess what? Freebsd is craploads better than Windows! Whippee! > We're #1! > > >FreeBSD offers many options for almost every kind of computer user. I > > believe that that is important as well. > > The above statement is not accurate, and believing it to be accurate will > limit where FreeBSD can go. FreeBSD offers an option to a small population > of users, those who use Windows to do "Office" tasks. Its also a great > environment for the nerdly types who endlessly reinvent computer languages > or window system widgets. Unfortunately those same windows users are the > most clueless of computer users and cannot appreciate what FreeBSD does > differently. > > The technical community however, THEY can appreciate the difference and > they would be able to adopt FreeBSD if it had the tools they needed. These > are the folks that made Sun Microsystems what it is today. And if FreeBSD > wants a toe hold in the market that is where it will have to establish > itself first. > > Just my 0.02, > --Chuck Well - perhaps the next step might be to look at what tech-apps there are for Linux? Would they run under Lin-Emu? After that, would be to take the bull by the naughty-bits and port an app of your liking to FBSD. I too can sit and bad-yack, but it's like politics - if you don't vote, you have no right to complain about how the country is ran. I'm not a coder - I don't complain (much). So, I praise all the good things that FBSD has done thus far and anticipate all the good still to come. -- Best regards, Chris ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Hi I have a suggestion! To Imporve the perfect Freebsd!
At 11:58 AM 3/28/2004, Jorn Argelo wrote: True. However, so far you've just mentioned the CAD programs. I don't think that that is a large group when you compare it with the Office users for instance. Come on, lets be fair, if we wanted to limit the application to simply "emacs" guess what? Freebsd is craploads better than Windows! Whippee! We're #1! FreeBSD offers many options for almost every kind of computer user. I believe that that is important as well. The above statement is not accurate, and believing it to be accurate will limit where FreeBSD can go. FreeBSD offers an option to a small population of users, those who use Windows to do "Office" tasks. Its also a great environment for the nerdly types who endlessly reinvent computer languages or window system widgets. Unfortunately those same windows users are the most clueless of computer users and cannot appreciate what FreeBSD does differently. The technical community however, THEY can appreciate the difference and they would be able to adopt FreeBSD if it had the tools they needed. These are the folks that made Sun Microsystems what it is today. And if FreeBSD wants a toe hold in the market that is where it will have to establish itself first. Just my 0.02, --Chuck ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Hi I have a suggestion! To Imporve the perfect Freebsd!
On Sunday 28 March 2004 21:31, Chuck McManis wrote: > At 11:18 AM 3/28/2004, Jorn Argelo wrote: > >Besides, who needs Windows programs anyway? You have everything you want > > for free, except for games. > > Hmm, how about something that can do what PhotoShop can do? How about > something that can do what AutoCAD or TurboCAD can do? How about something > that can do what Protel or Cadence can do? > > There is unfortunately lots that Windows can do, especially in the design > space, that FreeBSD cannot. True. However, so far you've just mentioned the CAD programs. I don't think that that is a large group when you compare it with the Office users for instance. FreeBSD offers many options for almost every kind of computer user. I believe that that is important as well. Cheers, Jorn ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Hi I have a suggestion! To Imporve the perfect Freebsd!
On Sunday 28 March 2004 01:31 pm, Chuck McManis wrote: > At 11:18 AM 3/28/2004, Jorn Argelo wrote: > >Besides, who needs Windows programs anyway? You have everything you want > > for free, except for games. > > Hmm, how about something that can do what PhotoShop can do? How about > something that can do what AutoCAD or TurboCAD can do? How about something > that can do what Protel or Cadence can do? Hmm, I use Gimp and I can do what I did in PhotoShop (then again, I'm a novice at graphics anyways). Your point is taken, but I think what the posted wanted to point out is that most MS apps (used in the work place) are there. Meaning, OpenOffice, AbiWord, K-Office, K-Mail, Evolution etc. Granted, it's not an ideal OS for the likes of CAD etc, but still - for free, you just can't beat it. > There is unfortunately lots that Windows can do, especially in the design > space, that FreeBSD cannot. > > --Chuck ... Again, just my thoughts. -- Best regards, Chris ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Hi I have a suggestion! To Imporve the perfect Freebsd!
At 11:18 AM 3/28/2004, Jorn Argelo wrote: Besides, who needs Windows programs anyway? You have everything you want for free, except for games. Hmm, how about something that can do what PhotoShop can do? How about something that can do what AutoCAD or TurboCAD can do? How about something that can do what Protel or Cadence can do? There is unfortunately lots that Windows can do, especially in the design space, that FreeBSD cannot. --Chuck ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Hi I have a suggestion! To Imporve the perfect Freebsd!
On Sunday 28 March 2004 01:18 pm, Jorn Argelo wrote: > The idea is alright, but Wine is far from perfection. In fact, many large > programs and 3D applications won't even run with wine. Why? First because > it's still in Alpa fase. Secocond, they depend on DirectX, and Wine only > emulates the API part of Windows. You could use WineX, but that is an > commercial program, so it cannot be shipped with FreeBSD. Third, Microsoft > constantly changes the API code, and sometimes they don't publish > documentation regarding the code. > > Besides, who needs Windows programs anyway? You have everything you want > for free, except for games. > > Cheers, > > Jorn. > ... and games ought to be played on a games console (PS/2, X-Box, etc.) -- Best regards, Chris ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Hi I have a suggestion! To Imporve the perfect Freebsd!
The idea is alright, but Wine is far from perfection. In fact, many large programs and 3D applications won't even run with wine. Why? First because it's still in Alpa fase. Secocond, they depend on DirectX, and Wine only emulates the API part of Windows. You could use WineX, but that is an commercial program, so it cannot be shipped with FreeBSD. Third, Microsoft constantly changes the API code, and sometimes they don't publish documentation regarding the code. Besides, who needs Windows programs anyway? You have everything you want for free, except for games. Cheers, Jorn. On Sunday 28 March 2004 21:09, Joe Falcone wrote: > Dear Freebsd creaters and developers, > > Freebsd is an amazing Operating System Enviornment and > it is used in apple's mac os X and i have something to > make this already powerful operating system even > better than it already is. With your help your os will > become a alternetive to all operating systems on the > market. If you will make WINE a hidden component in > the operating system and tell everyone about the new > compatability you will make a difference in operating > systems of future computing. Make a difference and > change the way operating systems work by taking this > advice of mine and you will have a flawless operating > system of sorts. YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM WILL DO IT ALL > if you make this a special component in the operating > system. We can acomplish! The world needs windows > programs without the "blue screen of death" So do this > and you will be rewarded inside af how you changed the > world! > > Sincerily, > Joseph Nicholas Falcone > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Hi I have a suggestion! To Imporve the perfect Freebsd!
On Sunday 28 March 2004 01:09 pm, Joe Falcone wrote: > Dear Freebsd creaters and developers, > > Freebsd is an amazing Operating System Enviornment and > it is used in apple's mac os X and i have something to > make this already powerful operating system even > better than it already is. With your help your os will > become a alternetive to all operating systems on the > market. If you will make WINE a hidden component in > the operating system and tell everyone about the new > compatability you will make a difference in operating > systems of future computing. Make a difference and > change the way operating systems work by taking this > advice of mine and you will have a flawless operating > system of sorts. YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM WILL DO IT ALL > if you make this a special component in the operating > system. We can acomplish! The world needs windows > programs without the "blue screen of death" So do this > and you will be rewarded inside af how you changed the > world! > > Sincerily, > Joseph Nicholas Falcone WINE is in the ports. Why bloat the OS with something that perhaps only a few will use. Next - FreeBSD (while a great desktop OS) is really more of a server OS. I don't know the particulars as to how that is, but I'm sure you can find that out by searching this list. Lastly, giveing the users the choice to install Wine (again, via the ports) give the user more control over his/her environment. To me, why tamper with an already great OS by putting something like Wine in there as a default? If you want bloat - install it, but it's YOUR choice to have it there. Just my thoughts of course. -- Best regards, Chris ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Hi I have a suggestion! To Imporve the perfect Freebsd!
Dear Freebsd creaters and developers, Freebsd is an amazing Operating System Enviornment and it is used in apple's mac os X and i have something to make this already powerful operating system even better than it already is. With your help your os will become a alternetive to all operating systems on the market. If you will make WINE a hidden component in the operating system and tell everyone about the new compatability you will make a difference in operating systems of future computing. Make a difference and change the way operating systems work by taking this advice of mine and you will have a flawless operating system of sorts. YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM WILL DO IT ALL if you make this a special component in the operating system. We can acomplish! The world needs windows programs without the "blue screen of death" So do this and you will be rewarded inside af how you changed the world! Sincerily, Joseph Nicholas Falcone __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
