Re: 9.1 - 9.2 upgrade, clang question

[Volodymyr Kostyrko]

03.10.2013 17:36, dweimer wrote:

When upgrading from 9.1 to 9.2 using source, is there any benefit to
rebuilding twice, due to the clang version change?  So that the second
buildworld/kernel is done from the updated clang 3.3, instead of the
clang 3.1 that was in FreeBSD 9.1?


During the buildworld first new compiler is built and then this new 
compiler is used to build everything else.


There may be other reasons to double build though... Maybe after 
cleaning system with `make delete-old`/`make delete-old-libs`?


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9.1 - 9.2 upgrade, clang question

[dweimer]

When upgrading from 9.1 to 9.2 using source, is there any benefit to 
rebuilding twice, due to the clang version change?  So that the second 
buildworld/kernel is done from the updated clang 3.3, instead of the 
clang 3.1 that was in FreeBSD 9.1?


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Re: Diskless question

[Bill Tillman]

 From: Bernt Hansson 
To: Bernt Hansson  
Cc: Julian H. Stacey ; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org 
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Diskless question
 

On 2013-09-14 15:41, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> On 2013-09-14 11:05, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
>> Hi, Reference:
>>> From:        Bernt Hansson 
>>> Date:        Sat, 14 Sep 2013 09:36:58 +0200
>>
>> Bernt Hansson wrote:
>>> Hello list!
>>>
>>> I have a setup with a diskless machine and working, but I can not log in
>>> as root on the diskless. How to proceed?
>>
>> Log in as non root & see what /var/log shows
>> Mount the media elsewhere then either
>>     give a good look at what might be wrong,
>>     relax some restrictive permissions
>>     create some temporary back doors.
>>     rlogin, ssh, no or simple password on toor etc
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Julian
>
> I solved it. Root did not have a password as strange as it may be.

Unsolved. Root do not have a password, pressing enter at the passwd 
prompt gives "sorry"
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It's been a long time since I did this but there was some command for passwd 
for root which I had to do as well. The initial diskless boot will login you in 
with root without a password as I recall. Aha, here it is...

cd /etc
cp passwd master.passwd /pxeroot/conf/default/etc/
cd /pxeroot/etc
pwd_mkdb -d /pxeroot/etc master.passwd

You may need to adjust this based on your setup. I found lots of good info on 
diskless booting at this site:

http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/FreeBSD-diskless.html
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Re: Network Question

[Al Plant]

Daniel Nang wrote:

Aloha,

Sounds like an interesting setup. Do you have one machine acting as a 
gateway?



On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Al Plant <mailto:n...@hdk5.net>> wrote:


Eugene wrote:

Hi Daniel,

The easiest way is to check the LAN Config (or similar) page of
the router. They usually allow one to specify fixed IP and
hostname for the DHCP clients based on the MAC addresses.

Best wishes
Eugene

-Original Message- From: Daniel Nang
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:16 PM
To: Adam Vande More
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
<mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject: Re: Network Question

That was easier than I thought. My initial approach already looked
something like
this, except that for the ip address I always put the machine's
name as in:

machine1# ssh u...@machine2.example.com
<mailto:u...@machine2.example.com>

which results in

ssh: Could not resolve hostname machine2.example.com
<http://machine2.example.com>: hostname nor servname
provided, or not known

I think the problem here lies with the /etc/hosts file where
machine1 and
machine2 have
to be registered respectively. The thing here is that the ip
isn't static
which makes
this approach somewhat difficult to realize.

Got it.

Thanks.



On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Adam Vande More
mailto:amvandem...@gmail.com>>wrote:

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Nang
mailto:daniel.nan...@gmail.com>>__wrote:

Hello,

I have two computers, both running FreeBSD, accessing the
web via DHCP from the router. The setup looks like this:


   Internet
|
|
|
machine1.example.com <http://machine1.example.com> ---
Router --- machine.2.example.com
<http://machine.2.example.com>
 - DHCP -  
 - DHCP -



Both computers can access the internet with no problems.
    So far so good...

My question is, if I can simultaneously have the
computers access
the net as in the given picture and also let them
communicate with
each other e.g. via ssh?



machine1# ssh `ip of machine2`


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_
#


Aloha,

For many years I have 8 Freebsd boxes behind a PF firewall on a
static labeled lan. Only one public address feeds the lan.  All the
boxes can work the internet and can ssh.

I found that easier than dhcp.

:)

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Aloha,


I have a gateway separate on an old box running a Freesco floppy disk. I 
have many old boxes here and they still work.


A couple can run Up to FreeBSD 10. No gui needed as they are for 
firewall and servers and the like.


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Re: Network Question

[Daniel Nang]

Aloha,

Sounds like an interesting setup. Do you have one machine acting as a
gateway?


On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Al Plant  wrote:

> Eugene wrote:
>
>> Hi Daniel,
>>
>> The easiest way is to check the LAN Config (or similar) page of the
>> router. They usually allow one to specify fixed IP and hostname for the
>> DHCP clients based on the MAC addresses.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Eugene
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Daniel Nang
>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:16 PM
>> To: Adam Vande More
>> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>> Subject: Re: Network Question
>>
>> That was easier than I thought. My initial approach already looked
>> something like
>> this, except that for the ip address I always put the machine's name as
>> in:
>>
>> machine1# ssh u...@machine2.example.com
>>
>> which results in
>>
>> ssh: Could not resolve hostname machine2.example.com: hostname nor
>> servname
>> provided, or not known
>>
>> I think the problem here lies with the /etc/hosts file where machine1 and
>> machine2 have
>> to be registered respectively. The thing here is that the ip isn't static
>> which makes
>> this approach somewhat difficult to realize.
>>
>> Got it.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Adam Vande More > >wrote:
>>
>>  On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Nang **
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I have two computers, both running FreeBSD, accessing the
>>>> web via DHCP from the router. The setup looks like this:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Internet
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> |
>>>> machine1.example.com --- Router --- machine.2.example.com
>>>>  - DHCP -- DHCP -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Both computers can access the internet with no problems.
>>>> So far so good...
>>>>
>>>> My question is, if I can simultaneously have the computers access
>>>> the net as in the given picture and also let them communicate with
>>>> each other e.g. via ssh?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> machine1# ssh `ip of machine2`
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Adam Vande More
>>>
>>>  __**_
>> #
>>
>
> Aloha,
>
> For many years I have 8 Freebsd boxes behind a PF firewall on a static
> labeled lan. Only one public address feeds the lan.  All the boxes can work
> the internet and can ssh.
>
> I found that easier than dhcp.
>
> :)
>
> ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii -  Phone:  808-284-2740
>   + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org +
>   + http://aloha50.net   - Supporting - FreeBSD  7.2 - 8.0 - 9* +
>   < email: n...@hdk5.net >
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>
>
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Re: Diskless question

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi, Reference:
> From: Bernt Hansson  
> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 09:36:58 +0200 

Bernt Hansson wrote:
> Hello list!
> 
> I have a setup with a diskless machine and working, but I can not log in 
> as root on the diskless. How to proceed?

Log in as non root & see what /var/log shows
Mount the media elsewhere then either
give a good look at what might be wrong,
relax some restrictive permissions
create some temporary back doors.
rlogin, ssh, no or simple password on toor etc

Cheers,
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Re: Network Question

[Eugene]

Hi,

Yes, I have a similar setup at work (though currently migrating it to DHCP 
to accommodate mobile clients and simplify management). But I suppose OP 
would like to basically keep his the architecture intact =)


Best wishes
Eugene

-Original Message- 
From: Al Plant

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:28 PM
To: Eugene
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org ; Daniel Nang
Subject: Re: Network Question

Eugene wrote:

Hi Daniel,

The easiest way is to check the LAN Config (or similar) page of the 
router. They usually allow one to specify fixed IP and hostname for the 
DHCP clients based on the MAC addresses.




Aloha,

For many years I have 8 Freebsd boxes behind a PF firewall on a static
labeled lan. Only one public address feeds the lan.  All the boxes can
work the internet and can ssh.

I found that easier than dhcp.


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Re: Network Question

[Al Plant]

Eugene wrote:

Hi Daniel,

The easiest way is to check the LAN Config (or similar) page of the 
router. They usually allow one to specify fixed IP and hostname for the 
DHCP clients based on the MAC addresses.


Best wishes
Eugene

-Original Message- From: Daniel Nang
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:16 PM
To: Adam Vande More
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Network Question

That was easier than I thought. My initial approach already looked
something like
this, except that for the ip address I always put the machine's name as in:

machine1# ssh u...@machine2.example.com

which results in

ssh: Could not resolve hostname machine2.example.com: hostname nor servname
provided, or not known

I think the problem here lies with the /etc/hosts file where machine1 and
machine2 have
to be registered respectively. The thing here is that the ip isn't static
which makes
this approach somewhat difficult to realize.

Got it.

Thanks.



On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Adam Vande More 
wrote:


On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Nang 
wrote:



Hello,

I have two computers, both running FreeBSD, accessing the
web via DHCP from the router. The setup looks like this:


   Internet
|
|
|
machine1.example.com --- Router --- machine.2.example.com
 - DHCP -- DHCP -


Both computers can access the internet with no problems.
So far so good...

My question is, if I can simultaneously have the computers access
the net as in the given picture and also let them communicate with
each other e.g. via ssh?




machine1# ssh `ip of machine2`


--
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#


Aloha,

For many years I have 8 Freebsd boxes behind a PF firewall on a static 
labeled lan. Only one public address feeds the lan.  All the boxes can 
work the internet and can ssh.


I found that easier than dhcp.

:)

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  + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org +
  + http://aloha50.net   - Supporting - FreeBSD  7.2 - 8.0 - 9* +
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Re: Network Question

[Frank Leonhardt]

On 12/09/2013 20:16, Daniel Nang wrote:

That was easier than I thought. My initial approach already looked
something like
this, except that for the ip address I always put the machine's name as in:

machine1# ssh u...@machine2.example.com

which results in

ssh: Could not resolve hostname machine2.example.com: hostname nor servname
provided, or not known

I think the problem here lies with the /etc/hosts file where machine1 and
machine2 have
to be registered respectively. The thing here is that the ip isn't static
which makes
this approach somewhat difficult to realize.

Got it.

Thanks.



On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Adam Vande More wrote:


On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Nang wrote:


Hello,

I have two computers, both running FreeBSD, accessing the
web via DHCP from the router. The setup looks like this:


Internet
 |
 |
 |
machine1.example.com --- Router --- machine.2.example.com
  - DHCP -- DHCP -


Both computers can access the internet with no problems.
So far so good...

My question is, if I can simultaneously have the computers access
the net as in the given picture and also let them communicate with
each other e.g. via ssh?



machine1# ssh `ip of machine2`


--
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If you really only have two (or a very few machines) just give them 
static local IP addresses and add the host names to /etc/hosts on each 
box. Find out the address pool used by the DHCP server (presumably in 
the router) and choose your static addresses to avoid it.


If you use dynamic IP addresses (form DHCP) you may have some fun and 
games when it comes to security certificates.


Regards, Frank.

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Re: Network Question

[Eugene]

Hi Daniel,

The easiest way is to check the LAN Config (or similar) page of the router. 
They usually allow one to specify fixed IP and hostname for the DHCP clients 
based on the MAC addresses.


Best wishes
Eugene

-Original Message- 
From: Daniel Nang

Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:16 PM
To: Adam Vande More
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Network Question

That was easier than I thought. My initial approach already looked
something like
this, except that for the ip address I always put the machine's name as in:

machine1# ssh u...@machine2.example.com

which results in

ssh: Could not resolve hostname machine2.example.com: hostname nor servname
provided, or not known

I think the problem here lies with the /etc/hosts file where machine1 and
machine2 have
to be registered respectively. The thing here is that the ip isn't static
which makes
this approach somewhat difficult to realize.

Got it.

Thanks.



On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Adam Vande More 
wrote:


On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Nang 
wrote:



Hello,

I have two computers, both running FreeBSD, accessing the
web via DHCP from the router. The setup looks like this:


   Internet
|
|
|
machine1.example.com --- Router --- machine.2.example.com
 - DHCP -- DHCP -


Both computers can access the internet with no problems.
So far so good...

My question is, if I can simultaneously have the computers access
the net as in the given picture and also let them communicate with
each other e.g. via ssh?




machine1# ssh `ip of machine2`


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Re: Network Question

[Adam Vande More]

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

>
> There's the rub. How do you determine the IP address of the other machine?
>

Normally I look at /var/db/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases.  Pretty much all of the home
routers also have the information accessible on it's administration page.
Really depends on that exact setup as there are a number of ways.

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Re: Network Question

[Kurt Buff]

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Adam Vande More  wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Nang wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have two computers, both running FreeBSD, accessing the
>> web via DHCP from the router. The setup looks like this:
>>
>>
>>Internet
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> machine1.example.com --- Router --- machine.2.example.com
>>  - DHCP -- DHCP -
>>
>>
>> Both computers can access the internet with no problems.
>> So far so good...
>>
>> My question is, if I can simultaneously have the computers access
>> the net as in the given picture and also let them communicate with
>> each other e.g. via ssh?
>>
>
>
> machine1# ssh `ip of machine2`


There's the rub. How do you determine the IP address of the other machine?

DHCP, unless configured with reservations, doesn't guarantee IP
addresses to remain the with machines that request addresses.

So, there are two ways to solve this problem:

o- As I mention above, use reservations in DHCP to tie IP addresses to
MAC addresses - this is a fairly manual process, and doesn't scale
beyond a few machines..

o- Use a DNS/DHCP solution whereby DNS is dynamically updated with an
IP address by the DHCP server when a machine leases an IP address to a
machine. This requires some work up front, but then takes care of
itself, so scales fairly well.

Kurt
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Re: Network Question

[Daniel Nang]

That was easier than I thought. My initial approach already looked
something like
this, except that for the ip address I always put the machine's name as in:

machine1# ssh u...@machine2.example.com

which results in

ssh: Could not resolve hostname machine2.example.com: hostname nor servname
provided, or not known

I think the problem here lies with the /etc/hosts file where machine1 and
machine2 have
to be registered respectively. The thing here is that the ip isn't static
which makes
this approach somewhat difficult to realize.

Got it.

Thanks.



On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Adam Vande More wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Nang wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have two computers, both running FreeBSD, accessing the
>> web via DHCP from the router. The setup looks like this:
>>
>>
>>Internet
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> machine1.example.com --- Router --- machine.2.example.com
>>  - DHCP -- DHCP -
>>
>>
>> Both computers can access the internet with no problems.
>> So far so good...
>>
>> My question is, if I can simultaneously have the computers access
>> the net as in the given picture and also let them communicate with
>> each other e.g. via ssh?
>>
>
>
> machine1# ssh `ip of machine2`
>
>
> --
> Adam Vande More
>
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Re: Network Question

[Adam Vande More]

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Nang wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have two computers, both running FreeBSD, accessing the
> web via DHCP from the router. The setup looks like this:
>
>
>Internet
> |
> |
> |
> machine1.example.com --- Router --- machine.2.example.com
>  - DHCP -- DHCP -
>
>
> Both computers can access the internet with no problems.
> So far so good...
>
> My question is, if I can simultaneously have the computers access
> the net as in the given picture and also let them communicate with
> each other e.g. via ssh?
>


machine1# ssh `ip of machine2`


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Re: Network Question

[Daniel Nang]

Just read your mail. I will have to take some time, to look into what you
have
said, as I have not yet used the concepts that you spoke about.

Another solution would be to install a new network card into both computers
and assign static ip addresses to them, but I do not want to do that.

Daniel



On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 3:06 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Adam Vande More 
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Nang  >wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I have two computers, both running FreeBSD, accessing the
> >> web via DHCP from the router. The setup looks like this:
> >>
> >>
> >>Internet
> >> |
> >> |
> >> |
> >> machine1.example.com --- Router --- machine.2.example.com
> >>  - DHCP -- DHCP -
> >>
> >>
> >> Both computers can access the internet with no problems.
> >> So far so good...
> >>
> >> My question is, if I can simultaneously have the computers access
> >> the net as in the given picture and also let them communicate with
> >> each other e.g. via ssh?
> >>
> >
> >
> > machine1# ssh `ip of machine2`
>
>
> There's the rub. How do you determine the IP address of the other machine?
>
> DHCP, unless configured with reservations, doesn't guarantee IP
> addresses to remain the with machines that request addresses.
>
> So, there are two ways to solve this problem:
>
> o- As I mention above, use reservations in DHCP to tie IP addresses to
> MAC addresses - this is a fairly manual process, and doesn't scale
> beyond a few machines..
>
> o- Use a DNS/DHCP solution whereby DNS is dynamically updated with an
> IP address by the DHCP server when a machine leases an IP address to a
> machine. This requires some work up front, but then takes care of
> itself, so scales fairly well.
>
> Kurt
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Network Question

[Daniel Nang]

Hello,

I have two computers, both running FreeBSD, accessing the
web via DHCP from the router. The setup looks like this:


   Internet
|
|
|
machine1.example.com --- Router --- machine.2.example.com
 - DHCP -- DHCP -


Both computers can access the internet with no problems.
So far so good...

My question is, if I can simultaneously have the computers access
the net as in the given picture and also let them communicate with
each other e.g. via ssh?


Thanks

Daniel
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Re: Question about a possible missing line/entry for file UPDATING (from http://svnweb.freebsd.org) - 8.4-RELEASE plus branches

[Pablo Carboni]

Hi Damien (I'm sorry for delay)

Thanks for your comments (specially for the tips / experience with your
-STABLE boxes)

Regards,
Pablo Carboni.


On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Damien Fleuriot  wrote:

> However minor the issue seems, I think it warrants a PR, if at least so
> the entry is added for the next revision of 8.4-RELEASE.
>
>
> Regarding -STABLE, while I respect your decision to be conservative and
> run -RELEASE, I'd like to point out we've not run into any problem here, in
> over 3 years with ~40 firewall boxes.
>
>
>
> On 4 September 2013 17:48, Pablo Carboni  wrote:
>
>> Dear Damien,
>>
>> I use to install and update 'Releng'  releases (plus patches, but  not
>> stable releases) in our production servers (Ok, I agree stable is fine, but
>> my main reason is to be conservative under some circunstances).
>>
>> (BTW, You're right, on 8-STABLE branch, it appears the 'missing' line I
>> was looking for)
>>
>> Just as a last comment, I've found this 'normal line' on stable branch
>> (but not on release/releng):
>>
>> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?view=log
>>
>> Revision 
>> *251500* -
>> (view)
>> (download)
>> (annotate)
>> - [select for 
>> diffs]
>>
>> Modified *Fri Jun 7 15:52:33 2013 UTC* (2 months, 4 weeks ago) by *
>> pluknet*
>> File length: 74494 byte(s)
>> Diff to previous 
>> 251026
>>
>> Add the entry for 8.4-RELEASE.
>>
>>
>> (I think it should be added by someone to 8.4 releng branch). If this is
>> the case, shouldn't be sent this 'missing entry' to anyone by the means of
>>  'PR' ?
>>
>> Thank you very much for your patience :)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Pablo.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Damien Fleuriot  wrote:
>>
>>> Note that, as opposed to you, I'm tracking 8-STABLE and not 8.4-RELEASE !
>>>
>>> UPDATING:
>>> $FreeBSD: src/UPDATING,v 1.632.2.39 2013/08/23 15:21:39 svnexp Exp $
>>>
>>> newvers.sh:
>>> # $FreeBSD: src/sys/conf/newvers.sh,v 1.83.2.25 2013/08/07 08:26:07
>>> svnexp Exp $
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll check our clusters of firewalls to see if I've got any 8.4-RELEASE
>>> box lying around, but don't hold your breath, we almost universally track
>>> 8-STABLE...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4 September 2013 00:49, Pablo Carboni  wrote:
>>>
 Hello Damien,

 (First at all, thanks for your response).

 I do not want to insist too much with this silly thing, but(just in
 case)

 I've updated my sources today from 
 svn0.us-west.freebsd.org(base/releng/8.4), - previously to my first e-mail 
 - and:

 (Argentina's current TZ is GMT-3)

 -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  74967 Sep  3 12:11 /usr/src/UPDATING

 The 'grepped' lines, shows me:

 8.3-RELEASE
 [...]
 8.0-RELEASE

 (But 8.4 still doesn't appear).

 (However, while grepping first lines in /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh
 shows me:

 # $FreeBSD: releng/8.4/sys/conf/newvers.sh 254632 2013-08-22 00:51:56Z
 delphij $

 TYPE="FreeBSD"
 REVISION="8.4"
 BRANCH="RELEASE-p3"

 (Same svn id for UPDATING/newvers.sh).

 Any clues? (What's your svn $Id for UPDATING? - I mean, the whole line,
 the last)

 Thanks a lot!

 Regards,
 Pablo Carboni.

 P.S.: The same happens for
 svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING.
 

 (Maybe I'm afraid for local syncing problems on my fbsd server)

 On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Damien Fleuriot  wrote:

> From:
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  75631 Aug 27 12:46 /usr/src/UPDATING
>
>
> 20130607:
> 8.4-RELEASE.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3 September 2013 18:16, Pablo Carboni  wrote:
>
>> Dear Sirs,
>>
>> Just for curious, today I was looking for the date/entry that belongs
>> to
>> FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE inside UPDATING file, with no luck.
>>
>> Maybe I've made a mistake and I was looking inside a wrong file/url?
>>
>> It doesn't appear, neither
>>
>> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/8.4.0/UPDATING?revision=251259&view=markup
>> (RELEASE
>> branch)
>>
>> nor
>>
>> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING?view=markup&pathrev=254632
>> (RELENG
>> branch, currently last revision).
>>
>> (This 'little detail' includes sources for 8.4-RELEASE and branch
>> 8.4-RELEASE-p3, which I've downloaded recently).
>>
>> A quick & dirty search I've did on a 8.4-REL

Fw: ttys file question

[Jack Mc Lauren]

I have added the following entry to /etc/gettytab file


test.std.115200:\
:ep:sp#4800:tc:Pc

And also I have changed /etc/ttys file

cuau3   "/usr/libexec/getty test.std.115200"    cons25  on secure

I expect /dev/cuau3 device to use even parity and 4800 as speed, but when I 
check the device properties using stty -f /dev/cuau3, only speed changes to 
4800 and parity value does not change.

Here's the output of stty -f /dev/cuau3 after applying the changes using kill 
-HUP 1 command.


speed 4800 baud;
lflags: -icanon -isig -iexten -echo
iflags: -icrnl -ixon -ixany -imaxbel -brkint
oflags: -opost tab3
cflags: cs8 -parenb
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Re: question

[Polytropon]

On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:41:31 +0200, Pawel Sulewski wrote:
> How to recognize kernel panic and dump memory state onto USB device using C
> language?

The kernel has its own crash handling and will initiate the
writing of the proper image automatically. It will be stored
on the partition designated by the /etc/rc.conf setting
dumpdev="", usually a swap partition, and at next
boot time that image will be written to a file in /var/crash,
if nothing else has been defined with dumpdir=""
(same file; see "man rc.conf" and /etc/defaults/rc.conf for
details). If you want to coredump to a USB device, you need
to configure this accordingly.

You can find more information about this topic in the following
manual pages: "man 2 sigaction", "man 8 crash", and "man 5 core".






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ttys file question

[Jack Mc Lauren]

I have added the following entry to /etc/gettytab file

test.std.115200:\
:ep:sp#4800:tc:Pc

And also I have changed /etc/ttys file

cuau3   "/usr/libexec/getty test.std.115200"cons25  on secure

I expect /dev/cuau3 device to use even parity and 4800 as speed, but when I 
check the device properties using stty -f /dev/cuau3, only speed changes to 
4800 and parity value does not change.

Here's the output of stty -f /dev/cuau3 after applying the changes using kill 
-HUP 1 command.


speed 4800 baud;
lflags: -icanon -isig -iexten -echo
iflags: -icrnl -ixon -ixany -imaxbel -brkint
oflags: -opost tab3
cflags: cs8 -parenb
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question

[Pawel Sulewski]

Hello,

 

I have read through documentation and didn't find answer for my issue.

The issue is:

 

How to recognize kernel panic and dump memory state onto USB device using C
language?

 

It would be great if I get the answer.

 

Regards,

 

cid:image001.png@01CE518C.41DEB9F0

 

Paweł Sulewski

Samsung R&D Institute Poland

Samsung Electronics

  p.sulew...@samsung.com

 

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Re: ttys file question

[Steve O'Hara-Smith]

On Sun, 8 Sep 2013 23:13:37 -0700 (PDT)
Jack Mc Lauren  wrote:

> Thanks. Another question is how can I change the default values of e.g.
> databits, stopbits and ... for the device? I can set the speed
> in /etc/ttys.

Look at the man pages for sio and stty - all the details are there.

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Re: ttys file question

[Jack Mc Lauren]

>> But I can not connect to my server with this configuration. But if I
>> change ttyu6 to cuau6, everything works fine! I don't understand the
>> difference, would you please explain the reason for me?
>>
>In short the tty devices are for outgoing connections, the cua
>devices are for incoming connections.
>
>For more detail see sio(4), after all the detail about multi-port
>serial cards and their master ports comes a couple of paragraphs >describing
>the devices associated with each serial port in detail.
>
>-- 
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Thanks. Another question is how can I change the default values of e.g. 
databits, stopbits and ... for the device?
I can set the speed in /etc/ttys.
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Re: ttys file question

[jb]

Jack Mc Lauren  yahoo.com> writes:

> 
> Hi list
> 
> I'm trying to connect to my server via a serial port which is named ttyu6
under FreeBSD. In order to do that,
> I've decided to change /etc/ttys file like this:
> 
> ttyu6   " std.115200" cons25  on secure
> 
> But I can not connect to my server with this configuration. But if I
change ttyu6 to cuau6, everything works
> fine! I don't understand the difference, would you please explain the
reason for me?
> 
> Thanks in advance 

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/serialcomms.html
26.3. Terminals
26.4. Dial-in Service 
26.5. Dial-out Service

jb





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Re: ttys file question

[Steve O'Hara-Smith]

On Sun, 8 Sep 2013 09:40:44 -0700 (PDT)
Jack Mc Lauren  wrote:

> But I can not connect to my server with this configuration. But if I
> change ttyu6 to cuau6, everything works fine! I don't understand the
> difference, would you please explain the reason for me?

In short the tty devices are for outgoing connections, the cua
devices are for incoming connections.

For more detail see sio(4), after all the detail about multi-port
serial cards and their master ports comes a couple of paragraphs describing
the devices associated with each serial port in detail.

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ttys file question

[Jack Mc Lauren]

Hi list

I'm trying to connect to my server via a serial port which is named ttyu6 under 
FreeBSD. In order to do that, I've decided to change /etc/ttys file like this:

ttyu6   " std.115200" cons25  on secure

But I can not connect to my server with this configuration. But if I change 
ttyu6 to cuau6, everything works fine! I don't understand the difference, would 
you please explain the reason for me?

Thanks in advance 
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Fw: ttys file question

[Jack Mc Lauren]

Hi list

I'm trying to connect to my server via a serial port which is named ttyu6 under 
FreeBSD. In order to do that, I've decided to change /etc/ttys file like this:

#Serial terminlas
#The 'dialup' keyword identifies dialin lines to login, fingerd etc.
ttyu6  "/usr/libexec/getty  std.115200" cons25 on secure


But I can not connect to my server with this configuration. But if I change 
ttyu6 to cuau6, everything works fine! I don't understand the difference, would 
you please explain the reason for me?

Thanks in advance 
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ttys file question

[Jack Mc Lauren]

Hi list


I'm trying to connect to my server via a serial port which is named ttyu6 under 
FreeBSD. In order to do that, I've decided to change /etc/ttys file like this:

# Serial terminals
# The 'dialup' keyword identifies dialin lines to login, fingerd etc.
ttyu6   "/usr/libexec/getty std.115200" cons25  on secure


But I can not connect to my server with this configuration. But if I change 
ttyu6 to cuau6, everything works fine! I don't understand the difference, would 
you please explain the reason for me?

Thanks in advance 
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[Jack Mc Lauren]

Hi list

I'm trying to connect to my server via a serial port which is named ttyu6 under 
FreeBSD. In order to do that, I've decided to change /etc/ttys file like this:

# Serial terminals
# The 'dialup' keyword identifies dialin lines to login, fingerd etc.
ttyu6   "/usr/libexec/getty std.115200" cons25  on secure


But I can not connect to my server with this configuration. But if I change 
ttyu6 to cuau6, everything works fine! I don't understand the difference, would 
you please explain the reason for me?

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Re: Question about those special (countdown numbers) at shutdown / sync

[Patrick Dung]

Thanks for the answer.

That is cool and unique.




 From: Polytropon 
To: Patrick Dung  
Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org"  
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: Question about those special (countdown numbers) at shutdown / sync
 

On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:30:29 +0800 (SGT), Patrick Dung wrote:
> I am curious about the special (count down numbers) at shutdown / sync.
> 
> Those nubmers is like 8 8 8 8 2 1 2 1 0 0 0 0.
> 
> Actually what do those numbers mean?

Those numbers show you how many buffers have to be synced
until the system is ready to finally shut down and power off.
This makes sure no pending hard disk operations will be
"left and forgotten in memory".

The important text displayed prior to the numbers is:

    Syncing disks, buffers remaining... 

You can find it here: /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c
around line 330 (8-STABLE/i386 here).




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Re: Question about those special (countdown numbers) at shutdown / sync

[Polytropon]

On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:30:29 +0800 (SGT), Patrick Dung wrote:
> I am curious about the special (count down numbers) at shutdown / sync.
> 
> Those nubmers is like 8 8 8 8 2 1 2 1 0 0 0 0.
> 
> Actually what do those numbers mean?

Those numbers show you how many buffers have to be synced
until the system is ready to finally shut down and power off.
This makes sure no pending hard disk operations will be
"left and forgotten in memory".

The important text displayed prior to the numbers is:

Syncing disks, buffers remaining... 

You can find it here: /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c
around line 330 (8-STABLE/i386 here).




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Question about those special (countdown numbers) at shutdown / sync

[Patrick Dung]

Hello!

I am curious about the special (count down numbers) at shutdown / sync.

Those nubmers is like 8 8 8 8 2 1 2 1 0 0 0 0.

Actually what do those numbers mean?

Thanks and regards,
Patrick Dung
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Re: Question about a possible missing line/entry for file UPDATING (from http://svnweb.freebsd.org) - 8.4-RELEASE plus branches

[Damien Fleuriot]

However minor the issue seems, I think it warrants a PR, if at least so the
entry is added for the next revision of 8.4-RELEASE.


Regarding -STABLE, while I respect your decision to be conservative and run
-RELEASE, I'd like to point out we've not run into any problem here, in
over 3 years with ~40 firewall boxes.



On 4 September 2013 17:48, Pablo Carboni  wrote:

> Dear Damien,
>
> I use to install and update 'Releng'  releases (plus patches, but  not
> stable releases) in our production servers (Ok, I agree stable is fine, but
> my main reason is to be conservative under some circunstances).
>
> (BTW, You're right, on 8-STABLE branch, it appears the 'missing' line I
> was looking for)
>
> Just as a last comment, I've found this 'normal line' on stable branch
> (but not on release/releng):
>
> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?view=log
>
> Revision 
> *251500* -
> (view)
> (download)
> (annotate)
> - [select for 
> diffs]
>
> Modified *Fri Jun 7 15:52:33 2013 UTC* (2 months, 4 weeks ago) by *pluknet
> *
> File length: 74494 byte(s)
> Diff to previous 
> 251026
>
> Add the entry for 8.4-RELEASE.
>
>
> (I think it should be added by someone to 8.4 releng branch). If this is
> the case, shouldn't be sent this 'missing entry' to anyone by the means of
>  'PR' ?
>
> Thank you very much for your patience :)
>
> Regards,
> Pablo.
>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Damien Fleuriot  wrote:
>
>> Note that, as opposed to you, I'm tracking 8-STABLE and not 8.4-RELEASE !
>>
>> UPDATING:
>> $FreeBSD: src/UPDATING,v 1.632.2.39 2013/08/23 15:21:39 svnexp Exp $
>>
>> newvers.sh:
>> # $FreeBSD: src/sys/conf/newvers.sh,v 1.83.2.25 2013/08/07 08:26:07
>> svnexp Exp $
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll check our clusters of firewalls to see if I've got any 8.4-RELEASE
>> box lying around, but don't hold your breath, we almost universally track
>> 8-STABLE...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4 September 2013 00:49, Pablo Carboni  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Damien,
>>>
>>> (First at all, thanks for your response).
>>>
>>> I do not want to insist too much with this silly thing, but(just in
>>> case)
>>>
>>> I've updated my sources today from 
>>> svn0.us-west.freebsd.org(base/releng/8.4), - previously to my first e-mail 
>>> - and:
>>>
>>> (Argentina's current TZ is GMT-3)
>>>
>>> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  74967 Sep  3 12:11 /usr/src/UPDATING
>>>
>>> The 'grepped' lines, shows me:
>>>
>>> 8.3-RELEASE
>>> [...]
>>> 8.0-RELEASE
>>>
>>> (But 8.4 still doesn't appear).
>>>
>>> (However, while grepping first lines in /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh
>>> shows me:
>>>
>>> # $FreeBSD: releng/8.4/sys/conf/newvers.sh 254632 2013-08-22 00:51:56Z
>>> delphij $
>>>
>>> TYPE="FreeBSD"
>>> REVISION="8.4"
>>> BRANCH="RELEASE-p3"
>>>
>>> (Same svn id for UPDATING/newvers.sh).
>>>
>>> Any clues? (What's your svn $Id for UPDATING? - I mean, the whole line,
>>> the last)
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Pablo Carboni.
>>>
>>> P.S.: The same happens for
>>> svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING.
>>> 
>>>
>>> (Maybe I'm afraid for local syncing problems on my fbsd server)
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Damien Fleuriot  wrote:
>>>
 From:
 -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  75631 Aug 27 12:46 /usr/src/UPDATING


 20130607:
 8.4-RELEASE.






 On 3 September 2013 18:16, Pablo Carboni  wrote:

> Dear Sirs,
>
> Just for curious, today I was looking for the date/entry that belongs
> to
> FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE inside UPDATING file, with no luck.
>
> Maybe I've made a mistake and I was looking inside a wrong file/url?
>
> It doesn't appear, neither
>
> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/8.4.0/UPDATING?revision=251259&view=markup
> (RELEASE
> branch)
>
> nor
>
> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING?view=markup&pathrev=254632
> (RELENG
> branch, currently last revision).
>
> (This 'little detail' includes sources for 8.4-RELEASE and branch
> 8.4-RELEASE-p3, which I've downloaded recently).
>
> A quick & dirty search I've did on a 8.4-RELEASE-p3 box:
>
> grep "8\..*-RELEASE" /usr/src/UPDATING
>
> (There is no reference for '8.4')
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Regards,
> Pablo Carboni
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Re: Question about a possible missing line/entry for file UPDATING (from http://svnweb.freebsd.org) - 8.4-RELEASE plus branches

[Pablo Carboni]

Dear Damien,

I use to install and update 'Releng'  releases (plus patches, but  not
stable releases) in our production servers (Ok, I agree stable is fine, but
my main reason is to be conservative under some circunstances).

(BTW, You're right, on 8-STABLE branch, it appears the 'missing' line I was
looking for)

Just as a last comment, I've found this 'normal line' on stable branch (but
not on release/releng):

http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?view=log

Revision *251500*
-
(view)
(download)
(annotate )
- [select for 
diffs]

Modified *Fri Jun 7 15:52:33 2013 UTC* (2 months, 4 weeks ago) by *pluknet*
File length: 74494 byte(s)
Diff to previous
251026

Add the entry for 8.4-RELEASE.


(I think it should be added by someone to 8.4 releng branch). If this is
the case, shouldn't be sent this 'missing entry' to anyone by the means of
 'PR' ?

Thank you very much for your patience :)

Regards,
Pablo.

On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Damien Fleuriot  wrote:

> Note that, as opposed to you, I'm tracking 8-STABLE and not 8.4-RELEASE !
>
> UPDATING:
> $FreeBSD: src/UPDATING,v 1.632.2.39 2013/08/23 15:21:39 svnexp Exp $
>
> newvers.sh:
> # $FreeBSD: src/sys/conf/newvers.sh,v 1.83.2.25 2013/08/07 08:26:07 svnexp
> Exp $
>
>
>
> I'll check our clusters of firewalls to see if I've got any 8.4-RELEASE
> box lying around, but don't hold your breath, we almost universally track
> 8-STABLE...
>
>
>
> On 4 September 2013 00:49, Pablo Carboni  wrote:
>
>> Hello Damien,
>>
>> (First at all, thanks for your response).
>>
>> I do not want to insist too much with this silly thing, but(just in
>> case)
>>
>> I've updated my sources today from 
>> svn0.us-west.freebsd.org(base/releng/8.4), - previously to my first e-mail - 
>> and:
>>
>> (Argentina's current TZ is GMT-3)
>>
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  74967 Sep  3 12:11 /usr/src/UPDATING
>>
>> The 'grepped' lines, shows me:
>>
>> 8.3-RELEASE
>> [...]
>> 8.0-RELEASE
>>
>> (But 8.4 still doesn't appear).
>>
>> (However, while grepping first lines in /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh
>> shows me:
>>
>> # $FreeBSD: releng/8.4/sys/conf/newvers.sh 254632 2013-08-22 00:51:56Z
>> delphij $
>>
>> TYPE="FreeBSD"
>> REVISION="8.4"
>> BRANCH="RELEASE-p3"
>>
>> (Same svn id for UPDATING/newvers.sh).
>>
>> Any clues? (What's your svn $Id for UPDATING? - I mean, the whole line,
>> the last)
>>
>> Thanks a lot!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Pablo Carboni.
>>
>> P.S.: The same happens for
>> svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING.
>> 
>>
>> (Maybe I'm afraid for local syncing problems on my fbsd server)
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Damien Fleuriot  wrote:
>>
>>> From:
>>> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  75631 Aug 27 12:46 /usr/src/UPDATING
>>>
>>>
>>> 20130607:
>>> 8.4-RELEASE.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3 September 2013 18:16, Pablo Carboni  wrote:
>>>
 Dear Sirs,

 Just for curious, today I was looking for the date/entry that belongs to
 FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE inside UPDATING file, with no luck.

 Maybe I've made a mistake and I was looking inside a wrong file/url?

 It doesn't appear, neither

 http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/8.4.0/UPDATING?revision=251259&view=markup
 (RELEASE
 branch)

 nor

 http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING?view=markup&pathrev=254632
 (RELENG
 branch, currently last revision).

 (This 'little detail' includes sources for 8.4-RELEASE and branch
 8.4-RELEASE-p3, which I've downloaded recently).

 A quick & dirty search I've did on a 8.4-RELEASE-p3 box:

 grep "8\..*-RELEASE" /usr/src/UPDATING

 (There is no reference for '8.4')

 Thanks in advance!

 Regards,
 Pablo Carboni
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>>>
>>
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Re: Question about a possible missing line/entry for file UPDATING (from http://svnweb.freebsd.org) - 8.4-RELEASE plus branches

[Damien Fleuriot]

Note that, as opposed to you, I'm tracking 8-STABLE and not 8.4-RELEASE !

UPDATING:
$FreeBSD: src/UPDATING,v 1.632.2.39 2013/08/23 15:21:39 svnexp Exp $

newvers.sh:
# $FreeBSD: src/sys/conf/newvers.sh,v 1.83.2.25 2013/08/07 08:26:07 svnexp
Exp $



I'll check our clusters of firewalls to see if I've got any 8.4-RELEASE box
lying around, but don't hold your breath, we almost universally track
8-STABLE...



On 4 September 2013 00:49, Pablo Carboni  wrote:

> Hello Damien,
>
> (First at all, thanks for your response).
>
> I do not want to insist too much with this silly thing, but(just in
> case)
>
> I've updated my sources today from svn0.us-west.freebsd.org(base/releng/8.4), 
> - previously to my first e-mail - and:
>
> (Argentina's current TZ is GMT-3)
>
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  74967 Sep  3 12:11 /usr/src/UPDATING
>
> The 'grepped' lines, shows me:
>
> 8.3-RELEASE
> [...]
> 8.0-RELEASE
>
> (But 8.4 still doesn't appear).
>
> (However, while grepping first lines in /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh shows
> me:
>
> # $FreeBSD: releng/8.4/sys/conf/newvers.sh 254632 2013-08-22 00:51:56Z
> delphij $
>
> TYPE="FreeBSD"
> REVISION="8.4"
> BRANCH="RELEASE-p3"
>
> (Same svn id for UPDATING/newvers.sh).
>
> Any clues? (What's your svn $Id for UPDATING? - I mean, the whole line,
> the last)
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Regards,
> Pablo Carboni.
>
> P.S.: The same happens for
> svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING.
> 
>
> (Maybe I'm afraid for local syncing problems on my fbsd server)
>
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Damien Fleuriot  wrote:
>
>> From:
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  75631 Aug 27 12:46 /usr/src/UPDATING
>>
>>
>> 20130607:
>> 8.4-RELEASE.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 September 2013 18:16, Pablo Carboni  wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Sirs,
>>>
>>> Just for curious, today I was looking for the date/entry that belongs to
>>> FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE inside UPDATING file, with no luck.
>>>
>>> Maybe I've made a mistake and I was looking inside a wrong file/url?
>>>
>>> It doesn't appear, neither
>>>
>>> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/8.4.0/UPDATING?revision=251259&view=markup
>>> (RELEASE
>>> branch)
>>>
>>> nor
>>>
>>> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING?view=markup&pathrev=254632
>>> (RELENG
>>> branch, currently last revision).
>>>
>>> (This 'little detail' includes sources for 8.4-RELEASE and branch
>>> 8.4-RELEASE-p3, which I've downloaded recently).
>>>
>>> A quick & dirty search I've did on a 8.4-RELEASE-p3 box:
>>>
>>> grep "8\..*-RELEASE" /usr/src/UPDATING
>>>
>>> (There is no reference for '8.4')
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Pablo Carboni
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question about pkg

[Waitman Gobble]

Hi,

by chance anyone know what's up with this.. could save me some
troubleshooting time..



Here's a 9.2 machine.

# uname -a
FreeBSD do.burplex.com 9.2-BETA2 FreeBSD 9.2-BETA2 #0 r253773M: Mon Jul 29
14:22:34 PDT 2013 da3m0n8...@do.burplex.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KAGISO
 amd64

# sqlite3 /var/db/pkg/local.sqlite

sqlite> SELECT COUNT(id) FROM packages WHERE time is null;
0
sqlite> SELECT COUNT(id) FROM packages WHERE time is not null;
551



Here's a 10.0-CURRENT machine.

> uname -a
FreeBSD dx.burplex.com 10.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #0 r252355: Fri
Jun 28 16:39:19 PDT 2013 r...@dx.burplex.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FURAHA
 amd64

# sqlite3 /var/db/pkg/local.sqlite

sqlite> SELECT COUNT(id) FROM packages WHERE time is null;
814
sqlite> SELECT COUNT(id) FROM packages WHERE time is NOT null;
104



time = null is causing me some issues..

Thanks

-- 
Waitman Gobble
San Jose California USA
510-830-7975
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Re: Question about a possible missing line/entry for file UPDATING (from http://svnweb.freebsd.org) - 8.4-RELEASE plus branches

[Pablo Carboni]

Hello Damien,

(First at all, thanks for your response).

I do not want to insist too much with this silly thing, but(just in
case)

I've updated my sources today from
svn0.us-west.freebsd.org(base/releng/8.4), - previously to my first
e-mail - and:

(Argentina's current TZ is GMT-3)

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  74967 Sep  3 12:11 /usr/src/UPDATING

The 'grepped' lines, shows me:

8.3-RELEASE
[...]
8.0-RELEASE

(But 8.4 still doesn't appear).

(However, while grepping first lines in /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh shows
me:

# $FreeBSD: releng/8.4/sys/conf/newvers.sh 254632 2013-08-22 00:51:56Z
delphij $

TYPE="FreeBSD"
REVISION="8.4"
BRANCH="RELEASE-p3"

(Same svn id for UPDATING/newvers.sh).

Any clues? (What's your svn $Id for UPDATING? - I mean, the whole line, the
last)

Thanks a lot!

Regards,
Pablo Carboni.

P.S.: The same happens for
svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING.


(Maybe I'm afraid for local syncing problems on my fbsd server)

On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Damien Fleuriot  wrote:

> From:
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  75631 Aug 27 12:46 /usr/src/UPDATING
>
>
> 20130607:
> 8.4-RELEASE.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3 September 2013 18:16, Pablo Carboni  wrote:
>
>> Dear Sirs,
>>
>> Just for curious, today I was looking for the date/entry that belongs to
>> FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE inside UPDATING file, with no luck.
>>
>> Maybe I've made a mistake and I was looking inside a wrong file/url?
>>
>> It doesn't appear, neither
>>
>> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/8.4.0/UPDATING?revision=251259&view=markup
>> (RELEASE
>> branch)
>>
>> nor
>>
>> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING?view=markup&pathrev=254632
>> (RELENG
>> branch, currently last revision).
>>
>> (This 'little detail' includes sources for 8.4-RELEASE and branch
>> 8.4-RELEASE-p3, which I've downloaded recently).
>>
>> A quick & dirty search I've did on a 8.4-RELEASE-p3 box:
>>
>> grep "8\..*-RELEASE" /usr/src/UPDATING
>>
>> (There is no reference for '8.4')
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Pablo Carboni
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Re: Question about a possible missing line/entry for file UPDATING (from http://svnweb.freebsd.org) - 8.4-RELEASE plus branches

[Damien Fleuriot]

From:
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  75631 Aug 27 12:46 /usr/src/UPDATING


20130607:
8.4-RELEASE.






On 3 September 2013 18:16, Pablo Carboni  wrote:

> Dear Sirs,
>
> Just for curious, today I was looking for the date/entry that belongs to
> FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE inside UPDATING file, with no luck.
>
> Maybe I've made a mistake and I was looking inside a wrong file/url?
>
> It doesn't appear, neither
>
> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/8.4.0/UPDATING?revision=251259&view=markup
> (RELEASE
> branch)
>
> nor
>
> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING?view=markup&pathrev=254632
> (RELENG
> branch, currently last revision).
>
> (This 'little detail' includes sources for 8.4-RELEASE and branch
> 8.4-RELEASE-p3, which I've downloaded recently).
>
> A quick & dirty search I've did on a 8.4-RELEASE-p3 box:
>
> grep "8\..*-RELEASE" /usr/src/UPDATING
>
> (There is no reference for '8.4')
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Regards,
> Pablo Carboni
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Question about a possible missing line/entry for file UPDATING (from http://svnweb.freebsd.org) - 8.4-RELEASE plus branches

[Pablo Carboni]

Dear Sirs,

Just for curious, today I was looking for the date/entry that belongs to
FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE inside UPDATING file, with no luck.

Maybe I've made a mistake and I was looking inside a wrong file/url?

It doesn't appear, neither
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/8.4.0/UPDATING?revision=251259&view=markup
(RELEASE
branch)

nor
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING?view=markup&pathrev=254632
(RELENG
branch, currently last revision).

(This 'little detail' includes sources for 8.4-RELEASE and branch
8.4-RELEASE-p3, which I've downloaded recently).

A quick & dirty search I've did on a 8.4-RELEASE-p3 box:

grep "8\..*-RELEASE" /usr/src/UPDATING

(There is no reference for '8.4')

Thanks in advance!

Regards,
Pablo Carboni
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Re: c++11 question: clang++ 3.3 header not found

[Quark]

- Original Message -
> From: Tijl Coosemans 
> To: Quark 
> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" 
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013 1:41 PM
> Subject: Re: c++11 question: clang++ 3.3  header not found
> 
> On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 15:22:49 +0800 (SGT) Quark wrote:
>>  % uname -a
>>  FreeBSD cobalt 9.2-RC3 FreeBSD 9.2-RC3 #0 r254795: Sat Aug 24 20:25:04 UTC 
> 2013     r...@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
>> 
>>  % clang++ --version
>>  FreeBSD clang version 3.3 (tags/RELEASE_33/final 183502) 20130610
>>  Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd9.2
>>  Thread model: posix
>> 
>>  test program
>>  #include 
>>  #include 
>> 
>>  int main( int argc, char* argv[])
>>  {
>>          auto f = std::async( [] () {
>>                          std::cout << "Hello, World!" 
> << std::endl;
>>                          });
>>          f.wait();
>>          return 0;
>>  }
>> 
>> 
>>  error received is
>>  % clang++ -otest test.cc
>> 
>>  test.cc:2:10: fatal error: 'future' file not found
>>  #include 
>>           ^
>>  1 error generated.
>> 
>>  I guess clang is re-using system headers which belong to older gcc 4.2
>>  I also have gcc48 installed, how can I make clang to refer gcc48 headers?
> 
> There two C++ runtime libraries, the old gcc libstdc++ which is used by
> default and the new C++11 libc++.  You can use the latter like this:
> 
> clang++ -std=c++11 -stdlib=libc++ -otest test.cc
> 

thanks, it worked.
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Fwd: c++11 question: clang++ 3.3 header not found

[Константин Беседин]

AFAIK, the easiest way to get C++11 support in clang is to use libc++ (see
http://blogs.freebsdish.org/theraven/2013/01/03/the-new-c-stack-in-9-1/).
See also
https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-toolchain/2013-May/000841.html .


2013/8/27 Quark 

> % uname -a
> FreeBSD cobalt 9.2-RC3 FreeBSD 9.2-RC3 #0 r254795: Sat Aug 24 20:25:04 UTC
> 2013 r...@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
>
> % clang++ --version
> FreeBSD clang version 3.3 (tags/RELEASE_33/final 183502) 20130610
> Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd9.2
> Thread model: posix
>
> test program
> #include 
> #include 
>
> int main( int argc, char* argv[])
> {
> auto f = std::async( [] () {
> std::cout << "Hello, World!" << std::endl;
> });
> f.wait();
> return 0;
> }
>
>
> error received is
> % clang++ -otest test.cc
>
> test.cc:2:10: fatal error: 'future' file not found
> #include 
>  ^
> 1 error generated.
>
> I guess clang is re-using system headers which belong to older gcc 4.2
> I also have gcc48 installed, how can I make clang to refer gcc48 headers?
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Re: c++11 question: clang++ 3.3 header not found

[Tijl Coosemans]

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 15:22:49 +0800 (SGT) Quark wrote:
> % uname -a
> FreeBSD cobalt 9.2-RC3 FreeBSD 9.2-RC3 #0 r254795: Sat Aug 24 20:25:04 UTC 
> 2013     r...@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
> 
> % clang++ --version
> FreeBSD clang version 3.3 (tags/RELEASE_33/final 183502) 20130610
> Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd9.2
> Thread model: posix
> 
> test program
> #include 
> #include 
> 
> int main( int argc, char* argv[])
> {
>         auto f = std::async( [] () {
>                         std::cout << "Hello, World!" << std::endl;
>                         });
>         f.wait();
>         return 0;
> }
> 
> 
> error received is
> % clang++ -otest test.cc
> 
> test.cc:2:10: fatal error: 'future' file not found
> #include 
>          ^
> 1 error generated.
> 
> I guess clang is re-using system headers which belong to older gcc 4.2
> I also have gcc48 installed, how can I make clang to refer gcc48 headers?

There two C++ runtime libraries, the old gcc libstdc++ which is used by
default and the new C++11 libc++.  You can use the latter like this:

clang++ -std=c++11 -stdlib=libc++ -otest test.cc


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Re: c++11 question: clang++ 3.3 header not found

[Quark]

list, please pardon
my stupid mail client hung, giving me impression that e-mail was not sent.
apologies for spam.


- Original Message -
> From: Quark 
> To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013 12:52 PM
> Subject: c++11 question: clang++ 3.3  header not found
> 
> % uname -a
> FreeBSD cobalt 9.2-RC3 FreeBSD 9.2-RC3 #0 r254795: Sat Aug 24 20:25:04 UTC 
> 2013 
>     r...@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
> 
> % clang++ --version
> FreeBSD clang version 3.3 (tags/RELEASE_33/final 183502) 20130610
> Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd9.2
> Thread model: posix
> 
> test program
> #include 
> #include 
> 
> int main( int argc, char* argv[])
> {
>         auto f = std::async( [] () {
>                         std::cout << "Hello, World!" << 
> std::endl;
>                         });
>         f.wait();
>         return 0;
> }
> 
> 
> error received is
> % clang++ -otest test.cc
> 
> test.cc:2:10: fatal error: 'future' file not found
> #include 
>          ^
> 1 error generated.
> 
> I guess clang is re-using system headers which belong to older gcc 4.2
> I also have gcc48 installed, how can I make clang to refer gcc48 headers?
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c++11 and clang question

[Quark]

% uname -a
FreeBSD cobalt 9.2-RC3 FreeBSD 9.2-RC3 #0 r254795: Sat Aug 24 20:25:04 UTC 2013 
    r...@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64

% clang++ --version
FreeBSD clang version 3.3 (tags/RELEASE_33/final 183502) 20130610
Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd9.2
Thread model: posix

// test.cc
#include 
#include 

int main( int argc, char* argv[])
{
        auto f = std::async( [] () {
                        std::cout << "Hello, World!" << std::endl;
                        });
        f.wait();
        return 0;
}

% clang++ -v -otest test.cc
FreeBSD clang version 3.3 (tags/RELEASE_33/final 183502) 20130610
Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd9.2
Thread model: posix
 "/usr/bin/clang++" -cc1 -triple x86_64-unknown-freebsd9.2 -emit-obj 
-mrelax-all -disable-free -main-file-name test.cc -mrelocation-model static 
-mdisable-fp-elim -masm-verbose -mconstructor-aliases -munwind-tables 
-target-cpu x86-64 -v -resource-dir /usr/bin/../lib/clang/3.3 
-fdeprecated-macro -fdebug-compilation-dir /home/mshaikh -ferror-limit 19 
-fmessage-length 168 -mstackrealign -fobjc-runtime=gnustep 
-fobjc-default-synthesize-properties -fcxx-exceptions -fexceptions 
-fdiagnostics-show-option -fcolor-diagnostics -backend-option -vectorize-loops 
-o /tmp/test-jIvr1p.o -x c++ test.cc
clang -cc1 version 3.3 based upon LLVM 3.3 default target 
x86_64-unknown-freebsd9.2
ignoring nonexistent directory "/usr/include/c++/4.2/backward/backward"
ignoring nonexistent directory "/usr/bin/../lib/clang/3.3/include"
ignoring duplicate directory "/usr/include/c++/4.2"
ignoring duplicate directory "/usr/include/c++/4.2/backward"
ignoring duplicate directory "/usr/include/c++/4.2/backward"
#include "..." search starts here:
#include <...> search starts here:
 /usr/include/c++/4.2
 /usr/include/c++/4.2/backward
 /usr/include/clang/3.3
 /usr/include
End of search list.
test.cc:2:10: fatal error: 'future' file not found
#include 
         ^
1 error generated.

clang is re-using system headers which belong to older gcc 4.2
Can clang be educated to refer gcc48 headers, installed via pkg_add?
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clang and c++11 question

[Quark]

% uname -a
FreeBSD cobalt.corp.nai.org 9.2-RC3 FreeBSD 9.2-RC3 #0 r254795: Sat Aug 24 
20:25:04 UTC 2013     r...@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  
amd64


% clang++ --version
FreeBSD clang version 3.3 (tags/RELEASE_33/final 183502) 20130610
Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd9.2
Thread model: posix

clang 3.3 is C++11 feature complete, but it fails to find  and/or 
 headers.
since it is looking in system compiler path, which is old gcc4.2, not C++11 
ready

how to make clang refer headers from gcc48's installation( via pkg_add)?
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c++11 question: clang++ 3.3 header not found

[Quark]

% uname -a
FreeBSD cobalt 9.2-RC3 FreeBSD 9.2-RC3 #0 r254795: Sat Aug 24 20:25:04 UTC 2013 
    r...@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64

% clang++ --version
FreeBSD clang version 3.3 (tags/RELEASE_33/final 183502) 20130610
Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd9.2
Thread model: posix

test program
#include 
#include 

int main( int argc, char* argv[])
{
        auto f = std::async( [] () {
                        std::cout << "Hello, World!" << std::endl;
                        });
        f.wait();
        return 0;
}


error received is
% clang++ -otest test.cc

test.cc:2:10: fatal error: 'future' file not found
#include 
         ^
1 error generated.

I guess clang is re-using system headers which belong to older gcc 4.2
I also have gcc48 installed, how can I make clang to refer gcc48 headers?
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Re: kern_jail_set() Error Scenario Question

[James Gritton]

On 08/22/13 17:46, Matt Miller wrote:
> We ran into the following scenario in an application recently and were
> wondering if the behavior of kern_jail_set() is as expected here.
>
> This was an application bug where we were in, say, the JID 1 context
> and tried to call jailparam_set() with the flags (JAIL_CREATE |
> JAIL_UPDATE) and the "jid" param set to 1.  The basic idea was to
> create or update JID 1 with some params, but the error was we were
> already in the JID 1 context.  So, our understanding is this shouldn't
> work since JID 1 already exists and you can only modify it from a
> proper ancestor.
>
> However, rather than getting an error back from jailparam_set(), it
> ended up creating a second prison with JID 1, so there were two
> prisons existing with JID 1 at that point.  This is based on 8.2.0
> code, but, at first glance, it looks like the logic causing this may
> be the same in head.
>
> Looking at kern_jail_set(), what happens here is:
>
> 1. We find a prison with JID=1, however since it's not a proper child
> we set pr = NULL in line 1024:
>
> 1011 pr = prison_find(jid);
> 1012 if (pr != NULL) {
> 1013 ppr = pr->pr_parent;
> 1014 /* Create: jid must not exist. */
> 1015 if (cuflags == JAIL_CREATE) {
> 1016 mtx_unlock(&pr->pr_mtx);
> 1017 error = EEXIST;
> 1018 vfs_opterror(opts, "jail %d
> already exists",
> 1019 jid);
> 1020 goto done_unlock_list;
> 1021 }
> 1022 if (!prison_ischild(mypr, pr)) {
> 1023 mtx_unlock(&pr->pr_mtx);
> 1024 pr = NULL;
> 1025 } else if (pr->pr_uref == 0) {
>
> 2. Since pr is NULL, we create a new prison.  Since the jid is not
> zero, we insert it in the list and set its pr_id.  At this point, we
> have two prisons with a JID of 1 and the same parent prison.
>
> 1166 /* If there's no prison to update, create a new one and
> link it in. */
> 1167 if (pr == NULL) {
> ...
> 1185 pr = malloc(sizeof(*pr), M_PRISON, M_WAITOK | M_ZERO);
> 1186 if (jid == 0) {
> ...
> 1212 } else {
> 1213 /*
> 1214  * The jail already has a jid (that did
> not yet exist),
> 1215  * so just find where to insert it.
> 1216  */
> 1217 TAILQ_FOREACH(tpr, &allprison, pr_list)
> 1218 if (tpr->pr_id >= jid) {
> 1219 TAILQ_INSERT_BEFORE(tpr,
> pr, pr_list);
> 1220 break;
> 1221 }
> 1222 }
> ...
> 1229 pr->pr_parent = ppr;
> 1230 pr->pr_id = jid;
>
> We wanted to see if this is per design or a situation that should
> avoid creating the second prison and return an error.

That's definitely not per design.  I'll try reproducing this, and put in
correct logic.  The proper response is indeed an error: ENOENT, because
from inside the JID 1 context you shouldn't be able to see jail #1 (you
can't operate on your own jail).

- Jamie

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kern_jail_set() Error Scenario Question

[Matt Miller]

We ran into the following scenario in an application recently and were
wondering if the behavior of kern_jail_set() is as expected here.

This was an application bug where we were in, say, the JID 1 context
and tried to call jailparam_set() with the flags (JAIL_CREATE |
JAIL_UPDATE) and the "jid" param set to 1.  The basic idea was to
create or update JID 1 with some params, but the error was we were
already in the JID 1 context.  So, our understanding is this shouldn't
work since JID 1 already exists and you can only modify it from a
proper ancestor.

However, rather than getting an error back from jailparam_set(), it
ended up creating a second prison with JID 1, so there were two
prisons existing with JID 1 at that point.  This is based on 8.2.0
code, but, at first glance, it looks like the logic causing this may
be the same in head.

Looking at kern_jail_set(), what happens here is:

1. We find a prison with JID=1, however since it's not a proper child
we set pr = NULL in line 1024:

1011 pr = prison_find(jid);
1012 if (pr != NULL) {
1013 ppr = pr->pr_parent;
1014 /* Create: jid must not exist. */
1015 if (cuflags == JAIL_CREATE) {
1016 mtx_unlock(&pr->pr_mtx);
1017 error = EEXIST;
1018 vfs_opterror(opts, "jail %d
already exists",
1019 jid);
1020 goto done_unlock_list;
1021 }
1022 if (!prison_ischild(mypr, pr)) {
1023 mtx_unlock(&pr->pr_mtx);
1024 pr = NULL;
1025 } else if (pr->pr_uref == 0) {

2. Since pr is NULL, we create a new prison.  Since the jid is not
zero, we insert it in the list and set its pr_id.  At this point, we
have two prisons with a JID of 1 and the same parent prison.

1166 /* If there's no prison to update, create a new one and
link it in. */
1167 if (pr == NULL) {
...
1185 pr = malloc(sizeof(*pr), M_PRISON, M_WAITOK | M_ZERO);
1186 if (jid == 0) {
...
1212 } else {
1213 /*
1214  * The jail already has a jid (that did
not yet exist),
1215  * so just find where to insert it.
1216  */
1217 TAILQ_FOREACH(tpr, &allprison, pr_list)
1218 if (tpr->pr_id >= jid) {
1219 TAILQ_INSERT_BEFORE(tpr,
pr, pr_list);
1220 break;
1221 }
1222 }
...
1229 pr->pr_parent = ppr;
1230 pr->pr_id = jid;

We wanted to see if this is per design or a situation that should
avoid creating the second prison and return an error.

Thanks,

Matt
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RE: Pre-sales question

[Thomas Mueller]

I would like to know if your freebsd OS 9.1 suite on CD(DVD) can be installed, 
and then run, on a Dell Inspiron 531S? I looked-over your website, and did
+not see a citation for that specific PC (though I did see it for others).

> For your reference, my PC has a AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual core processor 
> 3800+ 2.01 GHz. The operating system on it right now (Vista) is 32-bit. The 
> PC can
> have up to 4GB of RAM. I have a 80GB Hard drive on it right now. I would like 
> to "hitch" it to the PC using a USB cable.

> If version 9.1 does run on that machine, then I may order a copy for myself.


> Glen Peterson
> Cedarburg, WI.
> peterso...@aol.com

You can go to ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD and download iso files for FreeBSD 
amd64 and i386.

You can download FreeBSD 9.1 or the newest release candidate for 9.2 (now RC2) 
and install from CD or DVD.

Is that 80GB hard drive currently in the PC? 


Tom

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RE: Pre-sales question

[petersontr]

Sir:

I would like to know if your freebsd OS 9.1 suite on CD(DVD) can be installed, 
and then run, on a Dell Inspiron 531S? I looked-over your website, and did not 
see a citation for that specific PC (though I did see it for others).

For your reference, my PC has a AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual core processor 3800+ 
2.01 GHz. The operating system on it right now (Vista) is 32-bit. The PC can 
have up to 4GB of RAM. I have a 80GB Hard drive on it right now. I would like 
to "hitch" it to the PC using a USB cable.

If version 9.1 does run on that machine, then I may order a copy for myself.


R.S.V.P.,


Glen Peterson
Cedarburg, WI.
peterso...@aol.com

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Question about usbhid.h and dev/usb/usbhid.h

[David Demelier]

Hi,

I'm currently writing a USB driver for the SFML framework. I'm reading
the code of SDL and seen the usage of usbhid.

However, /usr/include/usbhid.h and /usr/include/dev/usb/usbhid.h are
different. But they have both some common functions and the same data
definition.

For instance, enum and structures are identical, but the second one
has much more #define about hid usages.

Why are these files so much different and still having some identical
definitions? Isn't better to add full definitions and data to the
second one and just add a #include  in
/usr/include/usbhid.h?

Regards,

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Re: Control-M question

[Leonardo Santagostini]

Ok thank you very much =)


Regards / Saludos.-
Leonardo Santagostini







2013/8/8 ill...@gmail.com 

> On 8 August 2013 17:15, Leonardo Santagostini 
> wrote:
> > Hello list,
> >
> > Im trying to install control-m agent on FreeBSD doing some searching i
> > didnt find anything that point to me to a sucessfull installation.
> >
> > I would really appreciate if someone can give to me a clue or some recipe
> > or some howto !!
> >
> > Arquitecture is:
> >
> > FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE #0 r243825: Tue Dec  4 09:23:10 UTC 2012
> > r...@farrell.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
> >
> > and CTM agent is:
> >
> > PIM PLATFORMPACKAGE DATEINSTALL DATE
> >  VERSION INSTALL TYPECOMME
> > NTS
> >
> 
> > DRKAI.6.3.01Linux-x86_64Dec-04-2006 Nov-04-2009
> > 6.3.01.000  INSTALLATION
> >
>
> Well, assuming you're talking about the BMC software, they don't list
> FreeBSD as a supported platform.
>
> http://www.bmc.com/modules/module-html/Control-M-by-applications.html?&height=488&width=940
> Given that it's not open source, if the doesn't run successfully under
> Linux emulation, I strongly doubt you can do anything outside of con-
> tacting the company.
>
> Also, AFIK Linux emulation is i386 only, not amd64/x86_64 (or what-
> ever obnoxious neologism they're using to-day) so you'll probably have
> to run something other than Linux-x86_64.
>
> --
> --
>
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Re: Control-M question

[ill...@gmail.com]

On 8 August 2013 17:15, Leonardo Santagostini  wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> Im trying to install control-m agent on FreeBSD doing some searching i
> didnt find anything that point to me to a sucessfull installation.
>
> I would really appreciate if someone can give to me a clue or some recipe
> or some howto !!
>
> Arquitecture is:
>
> FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE #0 r243825: Tue Dec  4 09:23:10 UTC 2012
> r...@farrell.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
>
> and CTM agent is:
>
> PIM PLATFORMPACKAGE DATEINSTALL DATE
>  VERSION INSTALL TYPECOMME
> NTS
> 
> DRKAI.6.3.01Linux-x86_64Dec-04-2006 Nov-04-2009
> 6.3.01.000  INSTALLATION
>

Well, assuming you're talking about the BMC software, they don't list
FreeBSD as a supported platform.
http://www.bmc.com/modules/module-html/Control-M-by-applications.html?&height=488&width=940
Given that it's not open source, if the doesn't run successfully under
Linux emulation, I strongly doubt you can do anything outside of con-
tacting the company.

Also, AFIK Linux emulation is i386 only, not amd64/x86_64 (or what-
ever obnoxious neologism they're using to-day) so you'll probably have
to run something other than Linux-x86_64.

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Control-M question

[Leonardo Santagostini]

Hello list,

Im trying to install control-m agent on FreeBSD doing some searching i
didnt find anything that point to me to a sucessfull installation.

I would really appreciate if someone can give to me a clue or some recipe
or some howto !!

Arquitecture is:

FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE #0 r243825: Tue Dec  4 09:23:10 UTC 2012
r...@farrell.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64

and CTM agent is:

PIM PLATFORMPACKAGE DATEINSTALL DATE
 VERSION INSTALL TYPECOMME
NTS

DRKAI.6.3.01Linux-x86_64Dec-04-2006 Nov-04-2009
6.3.01.000  INSTALLATION

Regard / Saludos.-
Leonardo Santagostini
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Re: Newbye question VIM problem

[Bernt Hansson]

On 2013-07-23 18:07, Teske, Devin wrote:


(opening a can of squiggly worms here)


Well, then you can go fishing

This is a A sidenotnote
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Re: Newbye question VIM problem

[Teske, Devin]

On Jul 23, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Pietro Paolini wrote:

> 
> On Jul 23, 2013, at 5:16 PM, Fernando Apesteguía 
>  wrote:
> 
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/ports/i386/packages-9.0-release/Latest/&k=%2FbkpAUdJWZuiTILCq%2FFnQg%3D%3D%0A&r=Mrjs6vR4%2Faj2Ns9%2FssHJjg%3D%3D%0A&m=EqNk3zW%2BFthkGaRpyM7lCZDFPyMcUaqjJFP252xoemg%3D%0A&s=bdff9db189b5402b3645c555057e75498aa8736639cf977d5009f66eb6335304
> 
> Yep, thanks a lot !
> 

As a side discussion... (opening a can of squiggly worms here)

It's often bothered me that the tools don't know about the archive (which goes 
back a long ways and has a very consistent and structured layout).

So in authoring the latest tool (bsdconfig(8)), I made sure that the archive is 
checked (grep archive media/ftp.subr from SVN r247280).

Don't know if that was the right move, but here @ Vicor, we've been [ab]using 
the archive for .. over a decade? (looks at julian to chime in if he used the 
archive before I got here).

But I for one would like to see the archive to maintain its steady growth and 
be available.

Of course, the change to look in the archive seemed (to me at least) to be a 
pretty innocuous one (if the archive goes away, they're back to where they 
started... no working URLs).

Just wondering why for so long the archive has never been checked by tools when 
(imho) that only serves to break old releases sooner with respect to 
remote-fetch of a binary release file (e.g., pkg or dist, etc.).
-- 
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Re: Newbye question VIM problem

[Pietro Paolini]

On Jul 23, 2013, at 5:16 PM, Fernando Apesteguía 
 wrote:

> ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/ports/i386/packages-9.0-release/Latest/

Yep, thanks a lot !

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Re: Newbye question VIM problem

[Fernando Apesteguía]

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Pietro Paolini wrote:

>
> On Jul 23, 2013, at 4:36 PM, "Teske, Devin" 
> wrote:
>
> > env PACKAGESITE=
> ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/ports/i386/packages-9.0-releases/Latest/pkg_add
>  -r vim-lite
>
> Thanks for the quick answer but I got the error:
> env PACKAGESITE=
> ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/ports/i386/packages-9.0-releases/Latest/pkg_add
>  -r vim-lite
> Error: Unable to get
> ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/ports/i386/packages-9.0-releases/Latest/vim-lite.tbz:
> File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access)
> pkg_add: unable to fetch '
> ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/ports/i386/packages-9.0-releases/Latest/vim-lite.tbz'
> by URL
>

One extra 's' in packages-9.0-releaseS.

Try this one:

ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/ports/i386/packages-9.0-release/Latest/



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Re: Newbye question VIM problem

[Pietro Paolini]

On Jul 23, 2013, at 4:36 PM, "Teske, Devin"  wrote:

> env 
> PACKAGESITE=ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/ports/i386/packages-9.0-releases/Latest/
>  pkg_add -r vim-lite

Thanks for the quick answer but I got the error:
env 
PACKAGESITE=ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/ports/i386/packages-9.0-releases/Latest/
 pkg_add -r vim-lite
Error: Unable to get 
ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/ports/i386/packages-9.0-releases/Latest/vim-lite.tbz:
 File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access)
pkg_add: unable to fetch 
'ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/ports/i386/packages-9.0-releases/Latest/vim-lite.tbz'
 by URL

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Re: Newbye question VIM problem

[Teske, Devin]

On Jul 23, 2013, at 7:24 AM, Pietro Paolini wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I have to install in a probably not latest version BSD machine but when I try 
> to 
> 
> pkg_add -r vim-lite
> Error: Unable to get 
> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-9.0-release/Latest/vim-lite.tbz:
>  File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access)
> pkg_add: unable to fetch 
> 'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-9.0-release/Latest/vim-lite.tbz'
>  by URL
> 
> I get that error, it should be cause by the fact that my system is not so 
> new, am I wrong ? Any solution on that ?
> 

Try:

env 
PACKAGESITE=ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/ports/i386/packages-9.0-releases/Latest/
 pkg_add -r vim-lite

NOTE: That is a single command to be written on a single-line.
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Newbye question VIM problem

[Pietro Paolini]

Hello all,

I have to install in a probably not latest version BSD machine but when I try 
to 

pkg_add -r vim-lite
Error: Unable to get 
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-9.0-release/Latest/vim-lite.tbz:
 File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access)
pkg_add: unable to fetch 
'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-9.0-release/Latest/vim-lite.tbz'
 by URL

I get that error, it should be cause by the fact that my system is not so new, 
am I wrong ? Any solution on that ?

Thanks a lot.
Pietro.
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Re: question, following error Shared object "libc.so.6" not found, required by "fortune"

[Polytropon]

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:48:38 -0400, Rev Herbert Miller wrote:
> I was trying to use the content management system for our website. 
> I needed to restart on terminal but I keep coming up with the
> following error:  I don't know programing at all, so don't know
> if this is something I can fix.

In worst case, notify your system administrator.



> Shared object "libc.so.6" not found, required by "fortune"

This kind of error often indicates an incomplete system update
were libraries are "out of date" or missing. What way of system
update has been performed?



> root@psumc:/usr/local/tomcat5.5 # bin/startup.sh
> Neither the JAVA_HOME nor the JRE_HOME environment variable is defined
> At least one of these environment variable is needed to run this program

That can be a side effect, maybe some accidentally overwritten
configuration file or a program that's unable to run due to a
missing dependency?

What happens if you manually define those variables to the proper
valies and try again, e. g.

# setenv JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/
# setenv JRE_HOME=/usr/local/
# bin/startup,sh

Does this produce a different result?



> root@psumc:/usr/local/tomcat5.5 # su -c 'killall -9 java'

That command doesn't make sense. The prompt indicates that you
are already root. The -c parameter for the su command is missing
an argument, the class". See "man su" for details, no programming
knowledge required. ;-)


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question, following error Shared object "libc.so.6" not found, required by "fortune"

[Rev Herbert Miller]

I was trying to use the content management system for our website.  I needed to 
restart on terminal but I keep coming up with the following error:  I don't 
know programing at all, so don't know if this is something I can fix.


Shared object "libc.so.6" not found, required by "fortune"

Neither the JAVA_HOME nor the JRE_HOME environment variable is defined
At least one of these environment variable is needed to run this program
root@psumc:/usr/local/tomcat5.5 # bin/startup.sh
Neither the JAVA_HOME nor the JRE_HOME environment variable is defined
At least one of these environment variable is needed to run this program
root@psumc:/usr/local/tomcat5.5 # su -c 'killall -9 java'
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Re: A very 'trivial' question about /root

[jb]

Julian H. Stacey  berklix.com> writes:

> 
> jb.1234abcd  gmail.com 's ref to
>   https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=578470
> relates to Linux upgrade procedures & /root
> I don't see it affects how we should perceive an idealised Unix.
> 

The upgrade was a canary that told the user there is a problem.

The idealized UNIX is standardized.
According to Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS), a UNIX standard:

"
/root : Home directory for the root user (optional)
Purpose
The root account's home directory may be determined by developer or local
preference, but this is the recommended default location. [17]

[17] If the home directory of the root account is not stored on the root
partition it will be necessary to make certain it will default to / if it
can not be located.
"

The above means that there has to be implied equivalency and consistency of
permisssions between /root and / in order to ensure trouble-free operation
of any process that may rely on any of them.

That Linux case I referred to was a case about a system that relied on
the above 0755 setup for /root dir, with an interesting twist of having it
as a dummy account/dir for consistency, but having other accounts play
the role of a superuser.

Another example:
some app (perhaps an installer) runs as non-root (e.g. Apache) user and
needs to be able to read the root ssh public key from /root dir.

There could be many such apps, accessing a front-end system, having to
check for permission in /root dir for whatever they want to do, anywhere
in sys admin, remote control, management, installation, etc areas.

By changing this default you may ambush many unsuspecting users.

jb




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Re: A very 'trivial' question about /root

[Lowell Gilbert]

Polytropon  writes:

> On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:25:44 +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
>> ( I'd guess OpenBSD might go for a tighter /root though, as they're
>>   supposedly keen on security. )
>
> Currently I've got no OpenBSD installation at hand to verify,
> but I _assume_ they still have the same defaults as FreeBSD
> regarding permissions of /root.

That's correct.

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Re: A very 'trivial' question about /root

[Polytropon]

On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:25:44 +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> Before we might ask (via send-pr) for it to be commited,
> we should various of us run
>   chmod 750 /root;chown root:wheel /root
> & give it a couple of months to see if problems.

Done years ago:

drwxr-x---  7 root  wheel  512 2013-04-05 21:42:34 /root/

System has been installed in August 2011. No problems so far. :-)



> ( I'd guess OpenBSD might go for a tighter /root though, as they're
>   supposedly keen on security. )

Currently I've got no OpenBSD installation at hand to verify,
but I _assume_ they still have the same defaults as FreeBSD
regarding permissions of /root.


> > if it leads to programs and daemons that
> > would otherwise run as nobody having to run with root priviledges.
> 
> Good point, we should be cautious, best if lots of us try chmod 750 /root
> for a couple of months & see if any burnt fingers.

What programs or daemons should attention be paid at, especially?



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Re: A very 'trivial' question about /root

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi, Reference:
> From: ASV  
> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:10:02 +0200 

[ I jhs@ reverted asv@'s top post to bottom post ]
> 
> On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 01:47 +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> > Hi, Reference:
> > > From: ASV  
> > > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 21:39:20 +0200 
> > 
> > ASV wrote:
> > > Thanks for your reply Polytropon,
> > > 
> > > I'm using FreeBSD since few years already and I'm kind of aware of the
> > > "dynamics" related to permissions, many of them are common to many
> > > Unices.
> > > I agree that the installer doesn't put anything secret but as a home dir
> > > for the root user it's highly likely that something not intended to be
> > > publicly readable will end up there soon after the installation.
> > > Which IMHO it's true also for any other user homedir which gets created
> > > by default using a pretty relaxed umask 022, but that seems to be the
> > > default on probably any other UNIX like system I've put my hands on
> > > AFAIR. 
> > > 
> > > Don't get me wrong, since I use FreeBSD I'm just in love with it. Mine
> > > is just a concern about these permission defaults which look to me a bit
> > > too relaxed and cannot find yet a reason why not to restrict it.
> > > After all I believe having good default settings may make the difference
> > > in some circumstances and/or save time.
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 2013-06-27 at 04:58 +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 23:34:41 +0200, ASV wrote:
> > > > > There's any reason (and should be a fairly good one) why the /root
> > > > > directory permissions by default are set to 755 (for sure on releases
> > > > > 8.0/8.1/9.0/9.1)
> > > > 
> > > > This is the default permission for user directories, as root
> > > > is considered a user in this (special) case, and /root is its
> > > > home directory. The installer does not put anything "secret"
> > > > in there, but _you_ might, so there should be no issue changing
> > > > it to a more restricted access permission.
> > > > 
> > > > Hint: When a directory is r-x for "other", then it will be
> > > > indexed by the locate periodic job, so users could use the
> > > > locate command (and also find) to look what's in there. If
> > > > this is not desired, change to rwx/---/---, or rwx/r-x/---
> > > > if you want to allow (trusted) users of the "wheel" group
> > > > to read and execute stuff from that directory (maybe homemade
> > > > admin scripts in /root/bin that should not be "public").
> > > > 
> > > > There are few things that touch /root content. System updating
> > > > might be one of them, but as it is typically run as root (and
> > > > even in SUM), restrictive permissions above the default are
> > > > no problem.
> > > > 
> > > > To summarize the answer for your question: It's just the default. :-)
> > 
> > I'll play Devil's advocate for a moment ;-)
> > 
> >   One reason not to tighten ~root is because one might want
> >   ~root/httpuserfile to be readable by httpd to access the crypted
> >   passwords of locked web page. ... ;-)
> > 
> > No not really, that's perverted, I wouldn't reccomend an
> > http://localhost/~root/ regardless of password locked pages or not.
> > 
> > But it shows how lateral head scratching might be
> > appropriate before removing read perms on ~root/ .
> > 
> > { A bit like wrong ownership on / can surprisingly kill AMD NFS
> > access } ... some unexpected constraints can take some thinking
> > through, It might be quickest for a number of us to just try chmod
> > 700 ~root for a while & see if we get trouble.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Julian
> 
ASV wrote:
> Hi Julian,
> you played Devil's advocate well actually as I don't know which idea
> would be more audacious, letting httpd access files from your root dir
> or exporting /root via nfs. :)
> Both of them sound more like a lab scenario than a real one.
> 
> I understand that launching a "chmod 700 /root" it's a matter of
> something between 1 and 3 seconds. I do also understand that I had /root
> closed for long time and never had the need to set permissions back
> loose and this triggered my point.
> Why is it that open? :)

Re: A very 'trivial' question about /root

[Daniel Feenberg]

On Fri, 28 Jun 2013, ASV wrote:


Hi Julian,
you played Devil's advocate well actually as I don't know which idea
would be more audacious, letting httpd access files from your root dir
or exporting /root via nfs. :)
Both of them sound more like a lab scenario than a real one.


A diskless FreeBSD will use an NFS-mounted /root. See:

  http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-diskless.html
  http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/FreeBSD-diskless.html

So it is more than a theoretical possibility. I would also add that 
putting stricter permissions on perfectly public information may not

lead to improved security, if it leads to programs and daemons that
would otherwise run as nobody having to run with root priviledges.

daniel feenberg



I understand that launching a "chmod 700 /root" it's a matter of
something between 1 and 3 seconds. I do also understand that I had /root
closed for long time and never had the need to set permissions back
loose and this triggered my point.
Why is it that open? :)


On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 01:47 +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:

Hi, Reference:

From:   ASV 
Date:   Thu, 27 Jun 2013 21:39:20 +0200


ASV wrote:

Thanks for your reply Polytropon,

I'm using FreeBSD since few years already and I'm kind of aware of the
"dynamics" related to permissions, many of them are common to many
Unices.
I agree that the installer doesn't put anything secret but as a home dir
for the root user it's highly likely that something not intended to be
publicly readable will end up there soon after the installation.
Which IMHO it's true also for any other user homedir which gets created
by default using a pretty relaxed umask 022, but that seems to be the
default on probably any other UNIX like system I've put my hands on
AFAIR.

Don't get me wrong, since I use FreeBSD I'm just in love with it. Mine
is just a concern about these permission defaults which look to me a bit
too relaxed and cannot find yet a reason why not to restrict it.
After all I believe having good default settings may make the difference
in some circumstances and/or save time.

On Thu, 2013-06-27 at 04:58 +0200, Polytropon wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 23:34:41 +0200, ASV wrote:

There's any reason (and should be a fairly good one) why the /root
directory permissions by default are set to 755 (for sure on releases
8.0/8.1/9.0/9.1)


This is the default permission for user directories, as root
is considered a user in this (special) case, and /root is its
home directory. The installer does not put anything "secret"
in there, but _you_ might, so there should be no issue changing
it to a more restricted access permission.

Hint: When a directory is r-x for "other", then it will be
indexed by the locate periodic job, so users could use the
locate command (and also find) to look what's in there. If
this is not desired, change to rwx/---/---, or rwx/r-x/---
if you want to allow (trusted) users of the "wheel" group
to read and execute stuff from that directory (maybe homemade
admin scripts in /root/bin that should not be "public").

There are few things that touch /root content. System updating
might be one of them, but as it is typically run as root (and
even in SUM), restrictive permissions above the default are
no problem.

To summarize the answer for your question: It's just the default. :-)


I'll play Devil's advocate for a moment ;-)

  One reason not to tighten ~root is because one might want
  ~root/httpuserfile to be readable by httpd to access the crypted
  passwords of locked web page. ... ;-)

No not really, that's perverted, I wouldn't reccomend an
http://localhost/~root/ regardless of password locked pages or not.

But it shows how lateral head scratching might be
appropriate before removing read perms on ~root/ .

{ A bit like wrong ownership on / can surprisingly kill AMD NFS
access } ... some unexpected constraints can take some thinking
through, It might be quickest for a number of us to just try chmod
700 ~root for a while & see if we get trouble.

Cheers,
Julian



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Re: A very 'trivial' question about /root

[ASV]

Hi Julian,
you played Devil's advocate well actually as I don't know which idea
would be more audacious, letting httpd access files from your root dir
or exporting /root via nfs. :)
Both of them sound more like a lab scenario than a real one.

I understand that launching a "chmod 700 /root" it's a matter of
something between 1 and 3 seconds. I do also understand that I had /root
closed for long time and never had the need to set permissions back
loose and this triggered my point.
Why is it that open? :)


On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 01:47 +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> Hi, Reference:
> > From:   ASV  
> > Date:   Thu, 27 Jun 2013 21:39:20 +0200 
> 
> ASV wrote:
> > Thanks for your reply Polytropon,
> > 
> > I'm using FreeBSD since few years already and I'm kind of aware of the
> > "dynamics" related to permissions, many of them are common to many
> > Unices.
> > I agree that the installer doesn't put anything secret but as a home dir
> > for the root user it's highly likely that something not intended to be
> > publicly readable will end up there soon after the installation.
> > Which IMHO it's true also for any other user homedir which gets created
> > by default using a pretty relaxed umask 022, but that seems to be the
> > default on probably any other UNIX like system I've put my hands on
> > AFAIR. 
> > 
> > Don't get me wrong, since I use FreeBSD I'm just in love with it. Mine
> > is just a concern about these permission defaults which look to me a bit
> > too relaxed and cannot find yet a reason why not to restrict it.
> > After all I believe having good default settings may make the difference
> > in some circumstances and/or save time.
> > 
> > On Thu, 2013-06-27 at 04:58 +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> > > On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 23:34:41 +0200, ASV wrote:
> > > > There's any reason (and should be a fairly good one) why the /root
> > > > directory permissions by default are set to 755 (for sure on releases
> > > > 8.0/8.1/9.0/9.1)
> > > 
> > > This is the default permission for user directories, as root
> > > is considered a user in this (special) case, and /root is its
> > > home directory. The installer does not put anything "secret"
> > > in there, but _you_ might, so there should be no issue changing
> > > it to a more restricted access permission.
> > > 
> > > Hint: When a directory is r-x for "other", then it will be
> > > indexed by the locate periodic job, so users could use the
> > > locate command (and also find) to look what's in there. If
> > > this is not desired, change to rwx/---/---, or rwx/r-x/---
> > > if you want to allow (trusted) users of the "wheel" group
> > > to read and execute stuff from that directory (maybe homemade
> > > admin scripts in /root/bin that should not be "public").
> > > 
> > > There are few things that touch /root content. System updating
> > > might be one of them, but as it is typically run as root (and
> > > even in SUM), restrictive permissions above the default are
> > > no problem.
> > > 
> > > To summarize the answer for your question: It's just the default. :-)
> 
> I'll play Devil's advocate for a moment ;-)
> 
>   One reason not to tighten ~root is because one might want
>   ~root/httpuserfile to be readable by httpd to access the crypted
>   passwords of locked web page. ... ;-)
> 
> No not really, that's perverted, I wouldn't reccomend an
> http://localhost/~root/ regardless of password locked pages or not.
> 
> But it shows how lateral head scratching might be
> appropriate before removing read perms on ~root/ .
> 
> { A bit like wrong ownership on / can surprisingly kill AMD NFS
> access } ... some unexpected constraints can take some thinking
> through, It might be quickest for a number of us to just try chmod
> 700 ~root for a while & see if we get trouble.
> 
> Cheers,
> Julian


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Re: A very 'trivial' question about /root

[jb]

ASV  inhio.eu> writes:

> 
> Mine
> is just a concern about these permission defaults which look to me a bit
> too relaxed and cannot find yet a reason why not to restrict it.
> After all I believe having good default settings may make the difference
> in some circumstances and/or save time.

I think the 0755 permissions for /root are correct as default.
If you are concerned about "others", you harden it to 0750 (after all you
are the boos, the "root", anyway).
Otherwise, you may create conditions which cause trouble for others, for
example:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=578470

jb





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Re: A very 'trivial' question about /root

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi, Reference:
> From: ASV  
> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 21:39:20 +0200 

ASV wrote:
> Thanks for your reply Polytropon,
> 
> I'm using FreeBSD since few years already and I'm kind of aware of the
> "dynamics" related to permissions, many of them are common to many
> Unices.
> I agree that the installer doesn't put anything secret but as a home dir
> for the root user it's highly likely that something not intended to be
> publicly readable will end up there soon after the installation.
> Which IMHO it's true also for any other user homedir which gets created
> by default using a pretty relaxed umask 022, but that seems to be the
> default on probably any other UNIX like system I've put my hands on
> AFAIR. 
> 
> Don't get me wrong, since I use FreeBSD I'm just in love with it. Mine
> is just a concern about these permission defaults which look to me a bit
> too relaxed and cannot find yet a reason why not to restrict it.
> After all I believe having good default settings may make the difference
> in some circumstances and/or save time.
> 
> On Thu, 2013-06-27 at 04:58 +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 23:34:41 +0200, ASV wrote:
> > > There's any reason (and should be a fairly good one) why the /root
> > > directory permissions by default are set to 755 (for sure on releases
> > > 8.0/8.1/9.0/9.1)
> > 
> > This is the default permission for user directories, as root
> > is considered a user in this (special) case, and /root is its
> > home directory. The installer does not put anything "secret"
> > in there, but _you_ might, so there should be no issue changing
> > it to a more restricted access permission.
> > 
> > Hint: When a directory is r-x for "other", then it will be
> > indexed by the locate periodic job, so users could use the
> > locate command (and also find) to look what's in there. If
> > this is not desired, change to rwx/---/---, or rwx/r-x/---
> > if you want to allow (trusted) users of the "wheel" group
> > to read and execute stuff from that directory (maybe homemade
> > admin scripts in /root/bin that should not be "public").
> > 
> > There are few things that touch /root content. System updating
> > might be one of them, but as it is typically run as root (and
> > even in SUM), restrictive permissions above the default are
> > no problem.
> > 
> > To summarize the answer for your question: It's just the default. :-)

I'll play Devil's advocate for a moment ;-)

  One reason not to tighten ~root is because one might want
  ~root/httpuserfile to be readable by httpd to access the crypted
  passwords of locked web page. ... ;-)

No not really, that's perverted, I wouldn't reccomend an
http://localhost/~root/ regardless of password locked pages or not.

But it shows how lateral head scratching might be
appropriate before removing read perms on ~root/ .

{ A bit like wrong ownership on / can surprisingly kill AMD NFS
access } ... some unexpected constraints can take some thinking
through, It might be quickest for a number of us to just try chmod
700 ~root for a while & see if we get trouble.

Cheers,
Julian
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Re: A very 'trivial' question about /root

[ASV]

Thanks for your reply Polytropon,

I'm using FreeBSD since few years already and I'm kind of aware of the
"dynamics" related to permissions, many of them are common to many
Unices.
I agree that the installer doesn't put anything secret but as a home dir
for the root user it's highly likely that something not intended to be
publicly readable will end up there soon after the installation.
Which IMHO it's true also for any other user homedir which gets created
by default using a pretty relaxed umask 022, but that seems to be the
default on probably any other UNIX like system I've put my hands on
AFAIR. 

Don't get me wrong, since I use FreeBSD I'm just in love with it. Mine
is just a concern about these permission defaults which look to me a bit
too relaxed and cannot find yet a reason why not to restrict it.
After all I believe having good default settings may make the difference
in some circumstances and/or save time.

On Thu, 2013-06-27 at 04:58 +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 23:34:41 +0200, ASV wrote:
> > There's any reason (and should be a fairly good one) why the /root
> > directory permissions by default are set to 755 (for sure on releases
> > 8.0/8.1/9.0/9.1)
> 
> This is the default permission for user directories, as root
> is considered a user in this (special) case, and /root is its
> home directory. The installer does not put anything "secret"
> in there, but _you_ might, so there should be no issue changing
> it to a more restricted access permission.
> 
> Hint: When a directory is r-x for "other", then it will be
> indexed by the locate periodic job, so users could use the
> locate command (and also find) to look what's in there. If
> this is not desired, change to rwx/---/---, or rwx/r-x/---
> if you want to allow (trusted) users of the "wheel" group
> to read and execute stuff from that directory (maybe homemade
> admin scripts in /root/bin that should not be "public").
> 
> There are few things that touch /root content. System updating
> might be one of them, but as it is typically run as root (and
> even in SUM), restrictive permissions above the default are
> no problem.
> 
> To summarize the answer for your question: It's just the default. :-)
> 
> 


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Re: A very 'trivial' question about /root

[Polytropon]

On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 23:34:41 +0200, ASV wrote:
> There's any reason (and should be a fairly good one) why the /root
> directory permissions by default are set to 755 (for sure on releases
> 8.0/8.1/9.0/9.1)

This is the default permission for user directories, as root
is considered a user in this (special) case, and /root is its
home directory. The installer does not put anything "secret"
in there, but _you_ might, so there should be no issue changing
it to a more restricted access permission.

Hint: When a directory is r-x for "other", then it will be
indexed by the locate periodic job, so users could use the
locate command (and also find) to look what's in there. If
this is not desired, change to rwx/---/---, or rwx/r-x/---
if you want to allow (trusted) users of the "wheel" group
to read and execute stuff from that directory (maybe homemade
admin scripts in /root/bin that should not be "public").

There are few things that touch /root content. System updating
might be one of them, but as it is typically run as root (and
even in SUM), restrictive permissions above the default are
no problem.

To summarize the answer for your question: It's just the default. :-)


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Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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Re: A very 'trivial' question about /root

[Lowell Gilbert]

ASV  writes:

> This is a very 'trivial' question but it's bugging me since quite a
> while now so I gotta ask.
>
> There's any reason (and should be a fairly good one) why the /root
> directory permissions by default are set to 755 (for sure on releases
> 8.0/8.1/9.0/9.1)

By default, there's nothing secret in there, so 755 makes sense to me.
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Re: A very 'trivial' question about /root

[Reed Loefgren]

On 06/26/13 15:47, Ayan George wrote:
> ASV:
>> This is a very 'trivial' question but it's bugging me since quite a
>> while now so I gotta ask.
>>
>> There's any reason (and should be a fairly good one) why the /root
>> directory permissions by default are set to 755 (for sure on releases
>> 8.0/8.1/9.0/9.1)
>>
> I imagine / needs those permissions during installation but maybe they
> should be changed to something more desirable at post-install.  What
> would you suggest -- maybe 555?
>
> -ayan
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Just a mention, I set /root to 700 and haven't seen any issues to date.

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Re: A very 'trivial' question about /root

[Ayan George]

ASV:
> This is a very 'trivial' question but it's bugging me since quite a
> while now so I gotta ask.
> 
> There's any reason (and should be a fairly good one) why the /root
> directory permissions by default are set to 755 (for sure on releases
> 8.0/8.1/9.0/9.1)
> 

I imagine / needs those permissions during installation but maybe they
should be changed to something more desirable at post-install.  What
would you suggest -- maybe 555?

-ayan

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A very 'trivial' question about /root

[ASV]

This is a very 'trivial' question but it's bugging me since quite a
while now so I gotta ask.

There's any reason (and should be a fairly good one) why the /root
directory permissions by default are set to 755 (for sure on releases
8.0/8.1/9.0/9.1)

Thanks in advance.

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Re: mouse configuration question

[Robert Bonomi]

> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:21:45 +0200
> Subject: Re: mouse configuration question
> From: Xavier 
>
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 02:09:13PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> > I have a ps/2 mouse attached to a HP mini-tower running FreeBSD 8.3, 
> > with a stripped-down kernel (no loadable modules).  I've apparently 
> > removed something necessary for standard mouse functionality, but I 
> > have no clue as to -what- is missing.
> >
> > Gory details:
> >   1) '/dev/psm0' exists and +is+ the mouse,
> >   2) 'moused' detects the mouse:  psm0  sysmouse Intellimouse
> >   3) 'moused -d' properly reports mouse activity -- button 
> >   press/release and
> >  mouse motion.
> >   4) 'vidcontrol -m on' reports "inappropriate ioctl for device".
>
> Try another time out of any TMUX(1), SCREEN(1) or similar application, 
> and it work right.

Unfortunately, _not_ true.  I've made multiple attempts from multiple 
screen sessions, and even after multiple reboots.  No luck.

moused _is_ loaded on system boot, further there are multiple 
'vidcontrol: inappropriate ioctl for device' messages on the console
as the last thing before the login prompt is displayed.

I've tried sending SIGHUP and/or SIGUSR1 to moused, with no effect on the
issue.  no '/dev/sysmouse', curses mouse routines still report total failure,
and all the rest.

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mouse configuration question

[Robert Bonomi]

I have a ps/2 mouse attached to a HP mini-tower running FreeBSD 8.3, with
a stripped-down kernel (no loadable modules).  I've apparently removed 
something necessary for standard mouse functionality, but I have no clue as
to -what- is missing.

Gory details:
  1) '/dev/psm0' exists and +is+ the mouse,
  2) 'moused' detects the mouse:  psm0  sysmouse Intellimouse
  3) 'moused -d' properly reports mouse activity -- button press/release and
 mouse motion.
  4) 'vidcontrol -m on' reports "inappropriate ioctl for device".
  5) *NO* '/dev/sysmouse' device present.

I'm building an ncurses-based app, and want to add mouse functionality.
The ncurses mouse-related functions return 'total failure' status (value 0).

I suspect that 5), above is the immediate issue, but can't find out 'who'
is (ir-)responsible for creating that psuedo-device.

Any/all pointers much appreciated.





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Re: FreeBSD slice/partiton setup question

[Istvan Gabor]

2013. június 19. 19:41 napon Warren Block  írta:

> There have been some excellent responses, and I just wanted to add a 
> quick point:
> 
> Virtual machines with VirtualBox work very well and avoid the problem of 
> trying to make compatible partition layouts.  Enable sshd on FreeBSD and 
> get to the files with rsync or scp or some FUSE module on the other 
> computer.

Thank you all for your answers, detailed explanations and document links.

I am now digesting what I've read and probably will try different setups on an
empty hard disk.

Thanks again,

Istvan

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Re: FreeBSD slice/partiton setup question

[Warren Block]

There have been some excellent responses, and I just wanted to add a 
quick point:


Virtual machines with VirtualBox work very well and avoid the problem of 
trying to make compatible partition layouts.  Enable sshd on FreeBSD and 
get to the files with rsync or scp or some FUSE module on the other 
computer.


Besides avoiding the whole problem of mixed partition schemes, it means 
both operating systems can run at the same time.  The host computer can 
be used to look up things on the web about setting up the VM guest, 
while the guest is actually running.

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Re: FreeBSD slice/partiton setup question

[Polytropon]

On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:48:20 +0200, Istvan Gabor wrote:
> 2013. június 18. 19:49 napon Michael Sierchio  írta:
> 
> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Istvan Gabor  wrote:
> > > ...
> > > How can I do this in FreeBSD?
> > > Can I have slices with only one partition occupying the whole slice?
> > >
> > > Can I do something like the following:
> > >
> > > /dev/ad0s1a /
> > > /dev/ad0s2e /home
> > > /dev/ad0s3e /usr/local
> > > /dev/ad0s5b swap
> > > /dev/ad0s6e /home/user1
> > > /dev/ad0s7e /home/user2
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > where the partitions (a, e, b) occupy the whole slice where they reside 
> > > on?
> 
> Thanks, but I don't understand your answer.

First I'd like to point you at the excellent documentation
provided by FreeBSD:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/disks-adding.html

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/geom-glabel.html

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html

Also read Warren Block's article about the tools used in the
"old" and "new" way of preparing a disk for use:

http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html

Regarding terminology, just if it hasn't been clear already:

In UNIX terminology, a slice is what DOS and therefor "Windows"
refers to as a "DOS primary partition". It is designated a number.
It can be subdivided in partitions which are designated a letter.
A partition carries a file system, a slice carries partitions,
and finally a device carries slices. (The slicing can also be
omitted, this is called "dedicated").

Examples:

ad0 = the 1st disk
ad0s1 = the 1st slice
ad0s1a = the 1st partition of the 1st slice
...
ad0s1h = the 8th partition of the 1st slice

And the dedicated approach:

ad0a = the 1st partition "directly" created on the 1st disk

The letters have a specific meaning: 'a' is a bootable partition.
'c' is "the whole thing" (being "the whole slice" or "the whole
disk"), 'b' is reserved for a swap partition, and "user-defined
partitions" go from 'd' to 'h'.

As I mentioned, there is a "new" and an "old" way of partitioning.
What I've discussed so far is called "MBR partitioning", it's
the "old" way.

The "new" way, "GPT partitioning", does not use the idea of
slices and partitions anymore. Instead partitions are enumerated
and created "directly".

Example:

ad0 = the 1st disk
ad0p1 = the 1st partition
...
ad0p15 = the 15th partition


Of course, different tools are involved here, as you can see
in the documentation links provided above.



> I am puzzled a little bit. My understanding based on the FreeBSD handbook is 
> that
> slices in FreeBSD are the partitions in linux.

So far correct, with an exception: A slice does _not_ carry a file
system, whereas in DOS terminology, reflected in Linux, the file
system is created in a DOS-like manner.

Example:

/dev/sda1 = 1st disk 1st DOS partition (slice) _with_ file system
/dev/ad0s1 = the same, but no file system here
/dev/ad0s1a = 1st partition on that slice _with_ file system



> And that on one slice (linux partition)
> FreeBSD  has (or can have?) several partitions.

Correct.



> These are labeled as letters: a for root
> partition, b for swap, c for the whole slice, and e for a regular non-root 
> partition.

Correct as well.



> Are you saying that one can use/mount a whole slice without adding partitions 
> to it?
> For example /dev/ada0s1 could be the root partition?

No. You _need_ to create a partition, read: "at least one partition". That
partition can cover the whole slice (or device, as mentioned above), and
it will be designated 'c', but that letter is omitted (I think since
FreeBSD 5).

Example:

Let's assume you have created the /dev/ada0s1 slice already. Now you do:

# newfs /dev/ada0s1

and you get a file system on the /dev/ada0s1c partition (which is created
"implicitely" by newfs. You can now mount it:

# mount -t ufs /dev/ada0s1 /mnt

But remember: That is the 'c' partition!

Similar approach for data disks (where you want to dedicate the whole
disk to data use, not booting or anything else):

# newfs /dev/da0
# mount -t ufs /dev/da0 /mnt

Again, /dev/da0c is the device you're operating on (which carries the
file system).



> Do you mean putting all partitions on one big slice?

With traditional partitioning, you can only use up to 'h' partitions
(with exceptions). If you need more than those 8, use GPT instead.

If you _must_ use MBR partitioning, you can have up to 4 slices
on a disk, giving you (with exceptions) 4 x 8 = 32 partitions
for FreeBSD on one disk.



> I would like to be able to mount different partitions independently from 
> other OS,
> eg. from linux.

That can be problematic because Linux doesn't seem to fully support
UFS file systems and BSD partitioning... If interoperability is your
goal, then you should probably use "exchange partitions" with a
file system that is better supported on FreeBSD (than using FreeBSD
and hoping for greater-than-zero support on Linux). Check if Linux
s

Re: Re: FreeBSD slice/partiton setup question

[Michael Sierchio]

You can simply newfs the device itself, without a volume label, slice,
or partition.  That's the normal thing to do with malloc devices, or
additional disks.  If the disk doesn't require a boot loader, isn't
the root device, etc. that may be the best thing to do.

Your caution about EXT* is spot-in - adequate tools exist for EXT2FS,
but it's still problematic.


- M
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Re: Re: FreeBSD slice/partiton setup question

[Robert Bonomi]

> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Tue Jun 18 13:47:50 2013
> Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_FreeBSD_slice/partiton_setup_?=
>  =?UTF-8?Q?question?=
> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Istvan_Gabor?= 
> To: =?UTF-8?Q?FreeBSD_Questions?=,
>  =?UTF-8?Q?Michael_Sierchio?=,
>  =?UTF-8?Q?Michael_Sierchio?=
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:48:20 +0200
>
> 2013. jA nius 18. 19:49 napon Michael Sierchio  A-
> rta:
>
> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Istvan Gabor  
> > wrote:
> > > ...
> > > How can I do this in FreeBSD? Can I have slices with only one 
> > > partition occupying the whole slice?
> > >
> > > Can I do something like the following:
> > >
> > > /dev/ad0s1a /
> > > /dev/ad0s2e /home
> > > /dev/ad0s3e /usr/local
> > > /dev/ad0s5b swap
> > > /dev/ad0s6e /home/user1
> > > /dev/ad0s7e /home/user2
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > where the partitions (a, e, b) occupy the whole slice where they 
> > > reside on?
>
> Thanks, but I don't understand your answer. I am puzzled a little bit. My 
> understanding based on the FreeBSD handbook is that slices in FreeBSD are 
> the partitions in linux. And that on one slice (linux partition) FreeBSD  
> has (or can have?) several partitions. These are labeled as letters: a 
> for root partition, b for swap, c for the whole slice, and e for a 
> regular non-root partition.

The terminology gets confusing.
'slices' in FreeBSD, and most other 'real' unix systems,  correspond to 
MSDOS/Windows 'partitions', on hardware that supports the MSDOS partitioning
scheme..

Unix has its own layer of disk subdivision, referred to here as 'BSD 
partitioning' (to make clear it is not the same as Microsoft's 'fdisk'
functionality, as well. In the 'classical' form this gives the (up to 8)
'letter-named' pieces that a disk may be carved into.

You can use 'slices', giving filesystem names, after 'BSD partitioning', 
like '/dev/ad4s0a', or you can omit 'slice' creation, and do only a 'BSD
partioning scheme, giving device names like "/dev/ad4a". 

In the 'BSD partitioning' scheme, letter 'c' is reserved for the entire
disk, but SHOULD NOT ever be used directly.  One can create another 'BSD
partition' (using the letter of ones choice) that also spans the entire
disk.  There is no requirement to have more than one 'usable' partition
on the disk.

>
> > Why bother with partitions if you're going to use the whole slice?
> Are you saying that one can use/mount a whole slice without adding 
> partitions to it? For example /dev/ada0s1 could be the root partition?
>
> > Why bother with slices if you won't run out of partitions?
> Do you mean putting all partitions on one big slice? I would like to be 
> able to mount different partitions independently from other OS, eg. from 
> linux. As far as I know linux cannot mount FreeBSD partitions, only the 
> whole slice. If one slice has several partitions, one single partition 
> can not be mounted from linux.

A full discussion gets 'messy'. there are lots of variations that complicate
things -- including a single 'logical volume' with multiple physical disks
(e.g. RAID), a single physical disk with multiple 'logical drives' on it
(think 'fdisk' partitioning), *AND* the type of filesystem in use on the
logical volume/drive.

*ASSUMING* the 'Berkeley fast filesystem' (the traditional/classical 
system choice, also known as 'UFS'), a logical volume/drive must have a BSD 
'volume label' on it, which allows subdividing that logical volume/drive 
into (up to) 8 letter-names parts.   Each such 'part' holds a separate 
filesystem, and must be 'mounted', _individually_, before files on that 
filesystem can be acessed.  

The overall logic is similar for other filesystem types, however the 
mechanical details may be quite different.

> Could you please confirm if my understanding is correct, or explain a 
> little bit more detailed what you meant?

If you want a -single- filesystem to occupy an entire physical disk you can:
   a) use a 'dangerously dedicated' drive -- one with no 'fdisk' 
  partitioning and only a BSD volume label, and create a single
  'BSD partition' -- giving a device like '/dev/ad4h'
   b) creat a single 'fdisk' primary partition spanning the entire drive
  and put a BSD volume label on the primary partition, with only a
  single 'BSD partition' -- giving a device like '/dev/ad4s0h'
   c) do 'something similar' using a different partitioning scheme -- e.g.
  'gpart' -- instead of 'bsdlabel'.
   d) do 'something similar' using a different type of filesystem -- e.g.
  'ZFS' or 'EXT3' (beware: EXT3 is _not_ well-supported under FreeBSD,
  and there are 'good reasons' _not_ to use any of the EXT* filesystem
  types if one values the integrity of ones data in the event of 
  'unexpected' events.

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Re: FreeBSD slice/partiton setup question

[Istvan Gabor]

2013. június 18. 19:49 napon Michael Sierchio  írta:

> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Istvan Gabor  wrote:
> > ...
> > How can I do this in FreeBSD?
> > Can I have slices with only one partition occupying the whole slice?
> >
> > Can I do something like the following:
> >
> > /dev/ad0s1a /
> > /dev/ad0s2e /home
> > /dev/ad0s3e /usr/local
> > /dev/ad0s5b swap
> > /dev/ad0s6e /home/user1
> > /dev/ad0s7e /home/user2
> > etc.
> >
> > where the partitions (a, e, b) occupy the whole slice where they reside on?

Thanks, but I don't understand your answer.
I am puzzled a little bit. My understanding based on the FreeBSD handbook is 
that
slices in FreeBSD are the partitions in linux. And that on one slice (linux 
partition)
FreeBSD  has (or can have?) several partitions. These are labeled as letters: a 
for root
partition, b for swap, c for the whole slice, and e for a regular non-root 
partition.
 
> Why bother with partitions if you're going to use the whole slice?
Are you saying that one can use/mount a whole slice without adding partitions 
to it?
For example /dev/ada0s1 could be the root partition?
 
> Why bother with slices if you won't run out of partitions?
Do you mean putting all partitions on one big slice?
I would like to be able to mount different partitions independently from other 
OS,
eg. from linux. As far as I know linux cannot mount FreeBSD partitions, only 
the whole slice.
If one slice has several partitions, one single partition can not be mounted 
from linux.

Could you please confirm if my understanding is correct, or explain a little 
bit more detailed
what you meant?

Thanks,

Istvan



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Re: FreeBSD slice/partiton setup question

[Michael Sierchio]

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Istvan Gabor  wrote:
> ...
> How can I do this in FreeBSD?
> Can I have slices with only one partition occupying the whole slice?
>
> Can I do something like the following:
>
> /dev/ad0s1a /
> /dev/ad0s2e /home
> /dev/ad0s3e /usr/local
> /dev/ad0s5b swap
> /dev/ad0s6e /home/user1
> /dev/ad0s7e /home/user2
> etc.
>
> where the partitions (a, e, b) occupy the whole slice where they reside on?

Why bother with partitions if you're going to use the whole slice?

Why bother with slices if you won't run out of partitions?

- M
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FreeBSD slice/partiton setup question

[Istvan Gabor]

Hello:

I have a question regarding FreeBSD slices/partitions.

I have a disk with linux partitions with the following layout:

/dev/sda1 /
/dev/sda2 /home
/dev/sda3 /usr/local
/dev/sda5 swap
/dev/sda6 /home/user1
/dev/sda7 /home/user2
etc.

sda1, sda2, and sda3 are primary partitions, sda5 and above are logical 
partitions on an extended partition.

I would like to have a similar setup with FreeBSD.
The goal is that the / root, /home, /usr/local and /home/user1 etc. filesystems 
should be on independent slices/partitions so that I could mount them 
independently from linux.

How can I do this in FreeBSD?
Can I have slices with only one partition occupying the whole slice?

Can I do something like the following:

/dev/ad0s1a /
/dev/ad0s2e /home
/dev/ad0s3e /usr/local
/dev/ad0s5b swap
/dev/ad0s6e /home/user1
/dev/ad0s7e /home/user2
etc.

where the partitions (a, e, b) occupy the whole slice where they reside on?

Thanks,

Istvan

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Re: easy question about logcheck

[Pol Hallen]

> If you include logcheck in a cron job (hourly, daily, etc.), the cron
> system will send the email with its output.

After installed logcheck I didn't done any changes to cron... but I've
notify mails from logcheck

Thanks!
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Re: easy question about logcheck

[Greg Larkin]

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> I just configurated logcheck and everything is perfect :-)
> 
> A question: where is the script that handle to send email?
> 
> I check also with pkg_info -L but I didn't see any script that send
> email
> 
> thanks for help!
> 
> Pol

Hi Pol,

If you include logcheck in a cron job (hourly, daily, etc.), the cron
system will send the email with its output.

Regards,
Greg
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easy question about logcheck

[Pol Hallen]

Hi all :-)

I just configurated logcheck and everything is perfect :-)

A question: where is the script that handle to send email?

I check also with pkg_info -L but I didn't see any script that send email

thanks for help!

Pol
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Re: question on manpages/hier(7)

[Paul Beard]

On May 9, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Dan Nelson  wrote:

> I don't have a /usr/local/share/man/ directory at all, and have 7300 files in
> /usr/local/man/man?/ , so I'd say /usr/local/man/ is the correct location :)

I wish it were that simple here. /etc/manpath.config is unmodified so I have no 
idea how this is getting all futzed up. 

I am finding files in /usr/local/share/man/man1 that were updated yesterday 
with others dating back to 2007. 


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Re: question on manpages/hier(7)

[Dan Nelson]

In the last episode (May 09), Paul Beard said:
> Where should site-specific, ie local, man pages live?
> 
> For instance, I have: 
> 
> /usr/local/man/man1/php.1.gz
> /usr/local/share/man/man1/php.1.gz
> 
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  3597 May  6 00:38 /usr/local/man/man1/php.1.gz
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  3383 Dec 20 19:54 
> /usr/local/share/man/man1/php.1.gz
> 
> My understanding is that the older one is in the right place. The newer
> one is registered as belonging to php5.4-14 while the old one is orphaned.

I don't have a /usr/local/share/man/ directory at all, and have 7300 files in
/usr/local/man/man?/ , so I'd say /usr/local/man/ is the correct location :)
 

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question on manpages/hier(7)

[Paul Beard]

Where should site-specific, ie local, man pages live?

For instance, I have: 

/usr/local/man/man1/php.1.gz
/usr/local/share/man/man1/php.1.gz

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  3597 May  6 00:38 /usr/local/man/man1/php.1.gz
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  3383 Dec 20 19:54 /usr/local/share/man/man1/php.1.gz

My understanding is that the older one is in the right place. The newer one is 
registered as belonging to php5.4-14 while the old one is orphaned. 

I learn from lsof that the file that is actually opened and displayed is this 
one:
/usr/local/man/cat1/php.1.gz

But that's in /usr/local/man, not /usr/local/share/man. So it's in /usr/local 
but why not in /usr/local/share? And it's orphaned. Should it be? 

I have just completed a several day cleanup of my local ports installation so 
I'm a little mystified at this. I also rebuilt my kernel and world so I should 
be up-to-date there too. 


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Re: question installing 9.1

[doug]

On Mon, 6 May 2013, doug wrote:

I installed 9.1-release amd 64 from the DVD. I intended to leave the 
obligatory windows 7. I shrunk the primary windows partition and installed 
FreeBSD. I never got an option to install the multi-partition boot record. 
Rather the install overwrote the MBR with a boot record to boot FreeBSD. 
While I appreciate the irony is there a way to make that option appear or is 
the only solution to rewrite it after the fact?


boot0cfg -B /dev/ada0 (ada or what ever your disk dev is)
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question installing 9.1

[doug]

I installed 9.1-release amd 64 from the DVD. I intended to leave the obligatory 
windows 7. I shrunk the primary windows partition and installed FreeBSD. I never 
got an option to install the multi-partition boot record. Rather the install 
overwrote the MBR with a boot record to boot FreeBSD. While I appreciate the 
irony is there a way to make that option appear or is the only solution to 
rewrite it after the fact?



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freebsd-update question

[doug]

I had an 8.2 system that I wanted to take to 8.4. First I tried upgrade to 8.4, 
getting (in essence) can't do that. So I upgraded 8.2 which worked giving the 
end-of-life warning. But seemed work. I then did an upgrade to 8.3 with:


   freebsd-update -r 8.3-RELEASE upgrade

The first part, downloading the diffs and inspecting the system seemed ok. The 
install seemed ok up to the point it wanted to edit files. It wanted to edit 
freebsd.submit.cf and sendmail.cf neither of which had local changes and then it 
started wanting to delete all the files in /etc. I aborted the process when it 
got to rc.conf. The message was something like, "deleting file hosts.allow no 
longer in 8.3". Happily aborting the process left the system unchanged.


Aside from, what could I have done wrong? My question is should we be able to 
trust freebsd-update on expired systems if it says a mirror exists and then sets 
about doing its thing? Can this happen in the normal process of removing update 
'cruft' from the mirrors?


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Re: pkg question

[Matthew Seaman]

On 03/05/2013 21:26, Walter Hurry wrote:
> Quoting from /usr/ports/UPDATING:
> 
> 20130502:
>   AFFECTS: users of ports-mgmt/pkg, ports-mgmt/poudriere, ports-mgmt/
> tinderbox
>   AUTHOR: bdrew...@freebsd.org
> 
> This only affects people who are _building_ binary packages for pkgng. If 
> you are building from ports please ignore this. This step is optional.
> 
> It is recommended to rebuild all packages and then have your users run 
> 'pkg check -Ba' and 'pkg upgrade' on their servers once. This will allow 
> the new shlib tracking to reinstall packages that have changed shlib 
> requirements.
> 

> Does 'rebuild all packages' mean we have to recompile from scratch, or 
> merely do a 'pkg create' for each?

If you have packages installed, but without shlib info in the database,
then you can:

pkg upgrade

or whatever, to get pkg-1.0.12 installed

pkg check -Ba

-- scans everything you have installed and adds the SHLIB info to your
local database

pkg create -a -o /usr/ports/packages/

-- create pkg tarballs (including shlib info) out of everything known in
your local database.

   pkg repo -f /usr/ports/packages

-- build a repo out of those package tarballs.

However, this only works for what you have installed on that one
machine, which is generally a sub-set of what you'ld like to have in a
pkg repo.  To build a more comprehensive set of packages as you'ld
normally find in a repo, it's cleanest to just tell poudriere or
tinderbox to build everything again from scratch.  Timeconsuming, but
you end up with a consistent repository fully populated with all the
SHLIBS info you could want.

Cheers,

Matthew

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pkg question

[Walter Hurry]

Quoting from /usr/ports/UPDATING:

20130502:
  AFFECTS: users of ports-mgmt/pkg, ports-mgmt/poudriere, ports-mgmt/
tinderbox
  AUTHOR: bdrew...@freebsd.org

This only affects people who are _building_ binary packages for pkgng. If 
you are building from ports please ignore this. This step is optional.

It is recommended to rebuild all packages and then have your users run 
'pkg check -Ba' and 'pkg upgrade' on their servers once. This will allow 
the new shlib tracking to reinstall packages that have changed shlib 
requirements.

Does 'rebuild all packages' mean we have to recompile from scratch, or 
merely do a 'pkg create' for each?

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Re: Diskless question

[Bernt Hansson]

2013-04-25 16:03, krad skrev:

type id from your user account and paste the results back here


uid=1001(bernt) gid=65534(nobody) groups=65534(nobody),0(wheel)
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Re: Diskless question

[Bill Tillman]

 


 From: Arthur Chance 
To: Bernt Hansson  
Cc: questions FreeBSD  
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: Diskless question
  
On 04/24/13 13:45, Bernt Hansson wrote:
>
>
> 2013-04-24 13:21, Arthur Chance skrev:
>> On 04/24/13 11:55, Bernt Hansson wrote:
>>> 2013-04-24 12:30, Arthur Chance skrev:
>>>> On 04/24/13 09:18, Bernt Hansson wrote:
>>>>> Hello list!
>>>>>
>>>>> I have set up a diskless machine with 8.3-stable and i as a user can
>>>>> log
>>>>> in, but when I try to log in as root it won't work. How to resolv that
>>>>> issue. I have tried with and without password but the computer said
>>>>> no.

>>>>
>>>> How did it say no? What does the entry for root in /etc/passwd say?
>>>
>>> $su
>>> Sorry
>>>
>>> root:*:0:0:Charlie &:/root:/bin/csh
>>
>>
>> That's not logging in directly as root, that's using su as a normal
>> user. Only members of wheel group can use su. Try logging in directly on
>> the console as root. That should work unless you've marked the console
>> as insecure or have an "impossible" password in /etc/master.passwd.
>
> I am a member of the wheel group.

Curious, I would have expected the su to work. Time for a quick look at 
the source.

>> In the long run you need to add your normal user to wheel group so you
>> can use su. Can you edit the diskless machine's /etc/group from the
>> server that's supplying its disk(s)? In the days when I ran diskless
>> systems I usually found it easier to work on the diskless systems'
>> config files via the server.
>>
> I have tried and my own password is easily changed via the server.
>
> if i try, on the diskless,
>
> Login: root
> Password: password or none
>
> Login incorrect

As I mentioned in another post, have you got a valid looking password 
field in /etc/master.passwd or just a '*'? Valid fields tend to look 
something like $2a$04$ or $6$ where  is a lot of base64 
encoded data.

Looking in the source for su there are three places that generate 
"Sorry". They all send messages to syslog. Is there a "BAD SU" entry in 
your /var/log/auth.log or a PAM related error in /var/log/messages 
and/or on the console?

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When you're editing the /etc/passwd file make sure it's the one in the 
partition that you set for your root for the diskless machine. It could be the 
same one as the server but typically another partition is setup as the root for 
the diskless machine(s).   
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