Re: Free BSD Website Question
Hey Julian, Thanks for the kind response - rough crowd :) We actually do offer support for BSD and have installed it on a handful of customers machines. I'm working with our website guy right now to get a logo up and an informational page to match. I'll let you know once I have this completed and you can give us another look. -Frank Anderson *webhosting.net* reliable. scalable. secure. On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: Hi, Reference: From: Jonathan Vomacka juvi...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:39:44 -0500 Message-id: cabfwsfq+9msmvb453nvkc1whdgadkkdsreywov8vt31toec...@mail.gmail.com Jonathan Vomacka wrote: Absolutely not Jonathan, Dont top post please. (But agreed, doesnt seem BSD) Frank, I looked at that site. I saw a Penguin. http://www.webhosting.net/linux_web_hosting.aspx Nothing BSD seen. If you want to be listed, provide URLS to [Free]BSD based products or services. you offer, then it might be worth redirecting this from questions@ to a more appropriate address. But if no BSD, sorry, not appropriate. On Nov 23, 2011 4:54 PM, Frank fr...@webhosting.net wrote: Hey FreeBSD, I saw that you had a list of web hosting providers on your website and wondered if you would consider adding WebHosting.net to your list. http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html We have been around since 1998 and focus on more advanced hosting needs like cloud hosting, exchange hosting, and dedicated servers. We have recently launched a new version of our site and are also doing a bit of a push to have more people try our service. If you would consider adding us to your list we would be incredibly grateful and please let me know if you’d like any more information about WebHosting.net. -Frank Anderson *webhosting.net* reliable. scalable. secure. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, indent with . Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD Website Question
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Frank fr...@webhosting.net wrote: Hey FreeBSD, I saw that you had a list of web hosting providers on your website and wondered if you would consider adding WebHosting.net to your list. http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html Instructions for getting on that list are right on the page. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD Website Question
On 12/01/2011 12:17, Frank wrote: Hey Julian, Thanks for the kind response - rough crowd :) Some people on certain lists should just add the phrase Wanna fight!? to their signatures. We're not all like that. -- Dave Robison Sales Solution Architect II FIS Banking Solutions 510/621-2089 (w) 530/518-5194 (c) 510/621-2020 (f) da...@vicor.com david.robi...@fisglobal.com _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD Website Question
Adam Vande More wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Frank fr...@webhosting.net wrote: Hey FreeBSD, I saw that you had a list of web hosting providers on your website and wondered if you would consider adding WebHosting.net to your list. http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html Instructions for getting on that list are right on the page. Thanks Adam, just saved me looking up a URL for Frank :-) Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, indent with . Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD Website Question
Absolutely not On Nov 23, 2011 4:54 PM, Frank fr...@webhosting.net wrote: Hey FreeBSD, I saw that you had a list of web hosting providers on your website and wondered if you would consider adding WebHosting.net to your list. http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html We have been around since 1998 and focus on more advanced hosting needs like cloud hosting, exchange hosting, and dedicated servers. We have recently launched a new version of our site and are also doing a bit of a push to have more people try our service. If you would consider adding us to your list we would be incredibly grateful and please let me know if you’d like any more information about WebHosting.net. -Frank Anderson *webhosting.net* reliable. scalable. secure. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD Website Question
Hi, Reference: From: Jonathan Vomacka juvi...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:39:44 -0500 Message-id: cabfwsfq+9msmvb453nvkc1whdgadkkdsreywov8vt31toec...@mail.gmail.com Jonathan Vomacka wrote: Absolutely not Jonathan, Dont top post please. (But agreed, doesnt seem BSD) Frank, I looked at that site. I saw a Penguin. http://www.webhosting.net/linux_web_hosting.aspx Nothing BSD seen. If you want to be listed, provide URLS to [Free]BSD based products or services. you offer, then it might be worth redirecting this from questions@ to a more appropriate address. But if no BSD, sorry, not appropriate. On Nov 23, 2011 4:54 PM, Frank fr...@webhosting.net wrote: Hey FreeBSD, I saw that you had a list of web hosting providers on your website and wondered if you would consider adding WebHosting.net to your list. http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html We have been around since 1998 and focus on more advanced hosting needs like cloud hosting, exchange hosting, and dedicated servers. We have recently launched a new version of our site and are also doing a bit of a push to have more people try our service. If you would consider adding us to your list we would be incredibly grateful and please let me know if youd like any more information about WebHosting.net. -Frank Anderson *webhosting.net* reliable. scalable. secure. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, indent with . Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD 9.0 Beta question
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:12:47 +0100, mikelectro...@sapo.pt wrote: Hi, I'm from Portugal, I see this software on the net, and I make a Live cd to test him, But, when I try to run it, it ask me for a Login and Password, so my question is where can I get Login and Password? Per default, the username root is defined for the system administrator, and has an _empty_ password. You can add a username for yourself (see adduser command) and define your own password. Password changes are done using the passwd interactive command; see man passwd for details. You'll find excellent documentation about FreeBSD on the main web site. The FreeBSD Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ The FreeBSD FAQ: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/ Maybe I may also recommend this one for beginners: Introduction to FreeBSD. An Absolute Beginners Guide to FreeBSD: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/book.phtml In your case, refer to 15.1. User Names and Passwords -- Logging In: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/book.phtml#s1-15-1 -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD 8.1
Mike Clarke jmc-freeb...@milibyte.co.uk wrote: On Monday 27 September 2010, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: I've recently started on a new system, and am planning to install 8.1-RELEASE, including the corresponding ports tree; then install what ports I can from packages and also fetch the corresponding distfiles; and finally build -- from release- corresponding ports -- any that aren't available as packages or where I want non-default OPTION settings. That approach should avoid most nasty surprises while getting things set up and working. _After_ everything is installed and configured properly will be plenty soon enough to consider whether any ports need to be updated -- and the already-installed-and- working package collection will provide a fallback in case of trouble trying to build any updated versions. The problem is if/when you need to update a port as a result of a security advisory. If your ports tree is very much out of date then it's likely that updating that one port will require a number of dependencies to be updated as well, sometimes all the ports depending on one or more of the updated dependencies need to be updated as well and the resultant bag of worms can take quite a lot of sorting out. The little and often approach of keeping the ports tree up to date could be less traumatic. and, in this context, your point is? I'm advocating starting from a stable and self-consistent baseline, consisting of a release _and_ its corresponding port/package collection, and then considering whether any updates are needed. Isn't that orthogonal to the question of whether or not to follow ports updates, once the baseline has been established? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD 8.1
On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:02 AM, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Mike Clarke jmc-freeb...@milibyte.co.uk wrote: On Monday 27 September 2010, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: I've recently started on a new system, and am planning to install 8.1-RELEASE, including the corresponding ports tree; then install what ports I can from packages and also fetch the corresponding distfiles; and finally build -- from release- corresponding ports -- any that aren't available as packages or where I want non-default OPTION settings. That approach should avoid most nasty surprises while getting things set up and working. _After_ everything is installed and configured properly will be plenty soon enough to consider whether any ports need to be updated -- and the already-installed-and- working package collection will provide a fallback in case of trouble trying to build any updated versions. The problem is if/when you need to update a port as a result of a security advisory. If your ports tree is very much out of date then it's likely that updating that one port will require a number of dependencies to be updated as well, sometimes all the ports depending on one or more of the updated dependencies need to be updated as well and the resultant bag of worms can take quite a lot of sorting out. The little and often approach of keeping the ports tree up to date could be less traumatic. and, in this context, your point is? I'm advocating starting from a stable and self-consistent baseline, consisting of a release _and_ its corresponding port/package collection, and then considering whether any updates are needed. Isn't that orthogonal to the question of whether or not to follow ports updates, once the baseline has been established? As I understand it: The OS itself is stable, but the ports are constantly in flux and may be issues. Please correct me if I am wrong. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD 8.1
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 02:24:26 -0500, Ryan Coleman ryan.cole...@cwis.biz wrote: As I understand it: The OS itself is stable, but the ports are constantly in flux and may be issues. Not exactly. It depends on which update road you follow. Say, you use freebsd-update (the binary update), or use c(v)sup to track -RELEASE (including the security patches), your OS is stable. Certain points in time can be addressed by a specific patch level, e. g. -RELEASE-p1 for the first one, -RELEASE-p2 for the second one, and so on. If you track -STABLE by using c(v)sup (doesn't work with the binary freebsd-update!), your OS is also stable. There is no further versioning as with the patch levels; the date decides. As you can't binary upgrade here, compiling yourself is needed. But if you track -CURRENT (means -HEAD), it *might* be that the OS won't even compile, or runs unstable. This is due to the fact that *this* branch does sometimes include experimental changes or features that are tested, and maybe removed later on. It's obvious that you need to retrieve the sources and compile your- self in this case, too. Ports, on the other hand, are not related to the OS version. If you use -RELEASE for example, you can, if it fits your needs, stay with the default ports tree that has been issued the same time the release came out. This is the state you'll find on the installation media. You can also use the precompiled packages. If you decide to upgrade your ports tree because you need newer versions or specific features, it *may* be possible that a certain point in time of -RELEASE is not sufficient, and this might force you to change your road to follow -STABLE. This can either be the case by installing from an updated ports tree or from Latest/ packages (instead of RELEASE one's). Summary: -RELEASE and -STABLE are stable, -CURRENT or -HEAD do not neccessarily have to be. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD 8.1
Polytropon said: If you decide to upgrade your ports tree because you need newer versions or specific features, it *may* be possible that a certain point in time of -RELEASE is not sufficient, and this might force you to change your road to follow -STABLE. This can either be the case by installing from an updated ports tree or from Latest/ packages (instead of RELEASE one's). An other option is to download a specific port from (*) http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/ and compiling it independently of the ports tree. In many cases it works perfectly OK and avoids to upgrade the ports tree itself and the destabilization which ensues. Of course you can also upgrade frequently the ports tree and run frequently portupgrade or portmaster, if you like tinkering with your machine. (*) in any given port you will find Download this directory in tarball -- Michel TALON ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD 8.1
per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: I'm advocating starting from a stable and self-consistent baseline, consisting of a release _and_ its corresponding port/package collection, and then considering whether any updates are needed. You might be interested to follow Manolis' custom DVD which is based on exactly that principle: http://freebsd-custom.wikidot.com Chris Isn't that orthogonal to the question of whether or not to follow ports updates, once the baseline has been established? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD 8.1
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010, Ryan Coleman wrote: As I understand it: The OS itself is stable, but the ports are constantly in flux and may be issues. During a FreeBSD release, the ports tree is frozen and port updates are delayed. So a FreeBSD release really does come with with a somewhat stale and stable set of ports... which is immediately followed by a flurry of port updates as the ports tree is unfrozen. Often these updates include major applications like xorg, with time-consuming upgrade procedures. The snapshot of ports on a -release grows increasingly stale. After a while, it's easier to update the ports tree before installing anything. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD 8.1
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 330, Issue 2, Message: 22 On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 00:02:29 -0700 per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Mike Clarke jmc-freeb...@milibyte.co.uk wrote: On Monday 27 September 2010, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: I've recently started on a new system, and am planning to install 8.1-RELEASE, including the corresponding ports tree; then install what ports I can from packages and also fetch the corresponding distfiles; and finally build -- from release- corresponding ports -- any that aren't available as packages or where I want non-default OPTION settings. That approach should avoid most nasty surprises while getting things set up and working. _After_ everything is installed and configured properly will be plenty soon enough to consider whether any ports need to be updated -- and the already-installed-and- working package collection will provide a fallback in case of trouble trying to build any updated versions. The problem is if/when you need to update a port as a result of a security advisory. If your ports tree is very much out of date then it's likely that updating that one port will require a number of dependencies to be updated as well, sometimes all the ports depending on one or more of the updated dependencies need to be updated as well and the resultant bag of worms can take quite a lot of sorting out. The little and often approach of keeping the ports tree up to date could be less traumatic. and, in this context, your point is? I'm advocating starting from a stable and self-consistent baseline, consisting of a release _and_ its corresponding port/package collection, and then considering whether any updates are needed. Isn't that orthogonal to the question of whether or not to follow ports updates, once the baseline has been established? Makes sense to me. There's been a ports freeze and extra attention to consistency of dependencies leading up to a -RELEASE, so there's a much better chance of all your ports working together from the outset, then you can update them at leisure while still getting on with some work! That there's also a self-consistent complete set of packages at that point seems lost on some folks having good enough bandwidth and fast enough systems to never need bothering with packages. I agree with Mike about the worms :) I have an 8.0-RELEASE system with many ports installed and quite a few configured to taste with a recently upgraded 8-STABLE world, working through a huge portversion update list, started by fetching over 900MB of packages so far including X and KDE by portupgrade -aFPP. It's going to take a while, and I'll be surprised if I don't skin a few knuckles on circular dependencies along the way. cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD 8.1
On Tuesday 28 September 2010, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Mike Clarke jmc-freeb...@milibyte.co.uk wrote: [snip] The problem is if/when you need to update a port as a result of a security advisory. If your ports tree is very much out of date then it's likely that updating that one port will require a number of dependencies to be updated as well, sometimes all the ports depending on one or more of the updated dependencies need to be updated as well and the resultant bag of worms can take quite a lot of sorting out. The little and often approach of keeping the ports tree up to date could be less traumatic. and, in this context, your point is? I'm advocating starting from a stable and self-consistent baseline, consisting of a release _and_ its corresponding port/package collection, and then considering whether any updates are needed. Isn't that orthogonal to the question of whether or not to follow ports updates, once the baseline has been established? ___ Well I'd normally happy to stay with the original release state without having to have the latest greatest version of each application but I prefer to update any ports which have been flagged by portaudit as having security vulnerabilities and this is when the problem could arise. Updating a single port in isolation without updating the ports tree can lead to problems with dependencies so you invariably need to update your ports tree and update the dependencies for the port in question. If, for example, you were to build a web server by installing 8.1-RELEASE and the matching package for apache you would have apache-2.2.15_9 which suffers from a remote DoS bug and should be upgraded to 2.2.16 http://www.vuxml.org/freebsd/CVE-2010-1452.html. As Warren Block has pointed out elsewhere in this thread there's usually a flurry of port updates when the ports tree is unfrozen just after a release so if you now update the ports tree and upgrade your ports there could be a large number of ports to upgrade, most of them can be upgraded quite painlessly with portmaster or portupgrade but you'd need to check /usr/ports/UPDATING to see if any of them needed special attention, fixing a single special case is usually quite straightforward but things sometimes get more complex when there's several. If on the other hand you installed the base system, updated your ports tree and then built what you needed from ports (or the latest packages) you'd get the latest versions without having to sort out any conflicts. If you wait a long time before a new vulnerability pushes you into doing your next upgrade then you'll still probably have quite a lot to sort out but updating small numbers of ports more frequently usually involves less work than an occasional mega upgrade. Well, that's just my 2 cents worth and it does depend on how many ports you have. A minimal server setup with few ports will probably not need very frequent port upgrades but something like a desktop could easily have 700 or more ports and it can be quite messy to upgrade your ports if it's been a long time since the last upgrade. -- Mike Clarke ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD 8.1
On Tuesday 28 September 2010, Ian Smith wrote: I agree with Mike about the worms :) I have an 8.0-RELEASE system with many ports installed and quite a few configured to taste with a recently upgraded 8-STABLE world, working through a huge portversion update list, started by fetching over 900MB of packages so far including X and KDE by portupgrade -aFPP. It's going to take a while, and I'll be surprised if I don't skin a few knuckles on circular dependencies along the way. I used to use packages in preference to ports but, being on a PAYG broadband account rather than unlimited, I'm more concerned about bandwidth than compile time. I found that upgrading ports often involved just a few packages which had actually been changed while the rest just had their version number bumped as a result of dependencies but still needed the entire package to be downloaded. Switching to building the ports instead means that I usually only need to download a relatively small number of distfiles with the remaining ports being recompiled from my existing collection of distfiles using the new makefiles in the updated ports tree. -- Mike Clarke ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD 8.1
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:20:49 -0400, victor kovacs slowp...@pathcom.com wrote: Mouse works in text mode in root and personal directories. Does not work in KDE graphics after startx is typed in personal directory. Graphics comes up normally. Using a ps2 mouse. Any suggestions? Check the mail archives related to using X with or without HAL and DBUS (depends on the setting you are using). When your mouse works in text mode, moused has correctly picked it up, so the problem seems to be on X's side. Check X configuration file /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you have any. Check your HAL and DBUS stuff. a) Want to use HAL and DBUS? Enable them in /etc/rc.conf b) Do not want to use HAL and DBUS? Modify xorg.conf's AutoAddDevice setting. You'll find more information about this in the mailing list archives and the FreeBSD handbook. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD 8.1
Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: On 26/09/2010 13:30:19, Michel Talon wrote: Matthew Seaman said Be aware that installing the ports tree from the DVD images is not the ideal way to do it ... it is better to ... grab an up-to-date copy of the ports directly from the net. I disagree with that ... Another option is to install the ports tree from the DVD,and install corresponding precompiled packages ... and *not* updating the ports tree ... I suspect the best results can be had from an approach in between these; details below. ... being up-to-date with the ports tree generally *does* give you better results than not. Ports are a moving target, dependent entirely on upstream changes. This last is an oversimplification. Not all ports even _have_ an upstream, and those that do (granted, the great majority) depend not only on upstream changes but also on the maintainer's and committers' ability to keep up with those changes. Expecting that a snapshot taken months or weeks ago will work just as well as one updated in the last hour is plain daft ... ported software generally does improve over time. Updates that fix problems are way more common that updates that introduce them ... Couldn't this as well be said of FreeBSD itself? If it were universally accepted, there would be no need for the stable or security branches and the considerable effort that goes into maintaining them: everyone would just run -CURRENT. One _huge_ advantage of starting with a release _and its corresponding set of ports packages_ is that everything is self-consistent. This tends not to be true of snapshots taken between releases, if only because no one has time to do that much release engineering for every update of every port. I tried to follow the OP's approach a few years ago, and got burned rather badly. By the time I had the system working well enough to start on the project I had intended to work on, the time budgeted for the setup _and_ the work had been almost entirely consumed in setup! I get the impression that M. Talon may have had similar experiences. I've recently started on a new system, and am planning to install 8.1-RELEASE, including the corresponding ports tree; then install what ports I can from packages and also fetch the corresponding distfiles; and finally build -- from release-corresponding ports -- any that aren't available as packages or where I want non-default OPTION settings. That approach should avoid most nasty surprises while getting things set up and working. _After_ everything is installed and configured properly will be plenty soon enough to consider whether any ports need to be updated -- and the already- installed-and-working package collection will provide a fallback in case of trouble trying to build any updated versions. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD 8.1
On Monday 27 September 2010, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: I've recently started on a new system, and am planning to install 8.1-RELEASE, including the corresponding ports tree; then install what ports I can from packages and also fetch the corresponding distfiles; and finally build -- from release-corresponding ports -- any that aren't available as packages or where I want non-default OPTION settings. That approach should avoid most nasty surprises while getting things set up and working. _After_ everything is installed and configured properly will be plenty soon enough to consider whether any ports need to be updated -- and the already- installed-and-working package collection will provide a fallback in case of trouble trying to build any updated versions. The problem is if/when you need to update a port as a result of a security advisory. If your ports tree is very much out of date then it's likely that updating that one port will require a number of dependencies to be updated as well, sometimes all the ports depending on one or more of the updated dependencies need to be updated as well and the resultant bag of worms can take quite a lot of sorting out. The little and often approach of keeping the ports tree up to date could be less traumatic. -- Mike Clarke ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD 8.1
Quoth Mike Clarke on Monday, 27 September 2010: On Monday 27 September 2010, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: I've recently started on a new system, and am planning to install 8.1-RELEASE, including the corresponding ports tree; then install what ports I can from packages and also fetch the corresponding distfiles; and finally build -- from release-corresponding ports -- any that aren't available as packages or where I want non-default OPTION settings. That approach should avoid most nasty surprises while getting things set up and working. _After_ everything is installed and configured properly will be plenty soon enough to consider whether any ports need to be updated -- and the already- installed-and-working package collection will provide a fallback in case of trouble trying to build any updated versions. The problem is if/when you need to update a port as a result of a security advisory. If your ports tree is very much out of date then it's likely that updating that one port will require a number of dependencies to be updated as well, sometimes all the ports depending on one or more of the updated dependencies need to be updated as well and the resultant bag of worms can take quite a lot of sorting out. The little and often approach of keeping the ports tree up to date could be less traumatic. -- Mike Clarke That's the maxim under which I operate. Furthermore, if something does break, it's a lot easier to narrow down what broke it if you updated one or two ports instead of twenty or thirty. I use the same principle in following STABLE -- frequently update/build so if anything goes wrong, the number of culpable commits is small. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpYFGtRRPCCb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Free BSD 8.1
On 26/09/2010 02:50:55, victor kovacs wrote: It appears that all the distfile locations are empty. For example: KDE4 Master site: empty Distfiles: none Extract-only: empty That's deliberate. x11/kde4 is a metaport -- that is, it installs nothing itself, but exists only to hold dependencies on other KDE4 components. Installing x11/kde4 will trigger a cascading installation of the 20-odd other ports (as modified by your choice of options) that go to create a whole KDE system. Have the distfiles for the GUI been left out of the dvd? Same situation when 32 or 64 side of dvd is loaded. The dvd disk reader is read only. It cannot write to disk. No -- the tarball of the ports in the distribution media is a faithful copy of the state of the ports tree at the time the media were created. Distfiles aren't included in FreeBSD DVD images -- there's only about 4.5GB to play with, and most of that is taken up by FreeBSD itself, and a selection of the most important software pre-compiled in pkg format. All of the distfiles or all of the pkgs for all of the ports together are substantially larger than any single piece of distribution medium (disk, USB key, etc.) readily available at the moment. Even just selecting the most commonly installed applications easily overflows the capacity of the DVD (and consider what invidious choices that selection process involves). Be aware that installing the ports tree from the DVD images is not the ideal way to do it. If you have the connectivity on your newly installed system, it is better to use either csup(1) or portsnap(1) to grab an up-to-date copy of the ports directly from the net. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Free BSD 8.1
Matthew Seaman said Be aware that installing the ports tree from the DVD images is not the ideal way to do it. If you have the connectivity on your newly installed system, it is better to use either csup(1) or portsnap(1) to grab an up-to-date copy of the ports directly from the net. I disagree with that. You are supposing that newer is better, which is far from proven (in fact blatantly false in many cases). Another option is to install the ports tree from the DVD,and install corresponding precompiled packages from the DVD or otherwise the web, and *not* updating the ports tree. There is a lot to be said for this option, and many users will be happier doing that, at least people who want to use their machine and not spend their time upgrading, compiling and fighting bugs. -- Michel TALON ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD 8.1
On 26/09/2010 13:30:19, Michel Talon wrote: Matthew Seaman said Be aware that installing the ports tree from the DVD images is not the ideal way to do it. If you have the connectivity on your newly installed system, it is better to use either csup(1) or portsnap(1) to grab an up-to-date copy of the ports directly from the net. I disagree with that. You are supposing that newer is better, which is far from proven (in fact blatantly false in many cases). Another option is to install the ports tree from the DVD,and install corresponding precompiled packages from the DVD or otherwise the web, and *not* updating the ports tree. There is a lot to be said for this option, and many users will be happier doing that, at least people who want to use their machine and not spend their time upgrading, compiling and fighting bugs. No. I made no comment on the relative advantages and disadvantages of various updating strategies. Please do not put words into my mouth. Given that the OP asked about the ports I think it fairly safe to assume that his intention was to use them. And, yes, being up-to-date with the ports tree generally *does* give you better results than not. Ports are a moving target, dependent entirely on upstream changes. Expecting that a snapshot taken months or weeks ago will work just as well as one updated in the last hour is plain daft. Even without any functional changes to the ported software, projects still move to different hosting, URLs change as archive sites are internally reorganised, ftp servers come and go, dist files get re-rolled with new checksums. Aside from those neutral changes, ported software generally does improve over time. Updates that fix problems are way more common that updates that introduce them. Despite a few high-profile occasions when things have gone horribly wrong -- not just with the ports, but with any OSS project --- this is overwhelmingly the case. The quality control in the majority of large OSS projects is very good nowadays -- probably better than their closed source equivalents. End users can quite reasonably expect not to have to spend their time fighting bugs. Newer generally /is/ better. Besides that, the assumption you are making, that change is undesirable, is just plain wrong. People will always want new stuff. It may not be wise for them to get it, but that's another story. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Free BSD Licensing
As the FreeBSD license is less restrictive than the GPL, it's pretty much safe to say that wherever you are permitted install GPL'd software, you could substitute FreeBSD licensed software without legal penalty. (Note: *install* -- redistribution is a different matter) You do not have to agree to the GPL to use GPL'd software: it explicitly says that it only covers copying, distribution and modification and not running the program. The FreeBSD licence on the other hand only allows you to use the software if you agree to the conditions - which only affect redistribution, so if you do not redistribute it, the licence terms do not affect you. I suppose a theoretical difference is that if you redistribute FreeBSD in violation of the conditions you no longer have the right to use it, which is not true for the GPL. -- Richard -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD Licensing
FBSD has it's own licensing. I'll defer to others as to the details, or visit www.freebsd.org - Original Message - From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: questi...@freebsd.org questi...@freebsd.org Sent: Tue Mar 23 09:40:15 2010 Subject: Free BSD Licensing Free BSD representative, I am inquiring if Free BSD is installable under the The GNU General Public License (short: GNU GPL or simply GPL)? Need to verify that for the requester of this software as coming through our subcontracts division. Jack Guelff Subcontracts Administrator Software and Intellectual Property Licensing Office: (319) 263-0985 Fax: (319) 295-2075 jegue...@rockwellcollins.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD Licensing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23/03/2010 14:40:15, jegue...@rockwellcollins.com wrote: Free BSD representative, I am inquiring if Free BSD is installable under the The GNU General Public License (short: GNU GPL or simply GPL)? Need to verify that for the requester of this software as coming through our subcontracts division. Mostly FreeBSD uses the FreeBSD license: http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html This is an open-source license according to the OSI terms. Some software within the FreeBSD distribution is licensed under the GPL or LGPL. As the FreeBSD license is less restrictive than the GPL, it's pretty much safe to say that wherever you are permitted install GPL'd software, you could substitute FreeBSD licensed software without legal penalty. (Note: *install* -- redistribution is a different matter) Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkupGVkACgkQ8Mjk52CukIx/EACghGCkDasLFw/1tVlBO/mlZR3f P0UAn0iZDeRfWg8t30lPXfHSgo+NycHx =QjnI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD Licensing
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010, jegue...@rockwellcollins.com wrote: Free BSD representative, I am inquiring if Free BSD is installable under the The GNU General Public License (short: GNU GPL or simply GPL)? Need to verify that for the requester of this software as coming through our subcontracts division. How do you install something under a license? FreeBSD is developed and distributed using the BSD license. More information is available at www.freebsd.org If you're wondering whether or not FreeBSD is freely available and can be installed in a commerical environment then the short answer would be yes. However, I encourage you to read the licensing clauses available on www.freebsd.org, specifically here: http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html This wiki gives a decent overview of the differences: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_licence Henrik -- Henrik Hudson li...@rhavenn.net - God, root, what is difference? Pitr; UF ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD Licensing
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:40 AM, jegue...@rockwellcollins.com wrote: Free BSD representative, I am inquiring if Free BSD is installable under the The GNU General Public License (short: GNU GPL or simply GPL)? Need to verify that for the requester of this software as coming through our subcontracts division. Jack Guelff Subcontracts Administrator Software and Intellectual Property Licensing Office: (319) 263-0985 Fax: (319) 295-2075 jegue...@rockwellcollins.com I am NOT a lawyer , therefore my views can not be considered a legal advice . I think , your best action would be to ask to a lawyer ( being expert on copyright and licensing issues ) for legal issues of such a question to be answered properly . If you consider GPL , its most important requirement is that when a GPL licensed software is distributed to others , the source is also should be supplied with respect to GPL license rules . A BSD licensed software can be used in ANY WAY without removing its license and copyright terms . If you study http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#CombinePublicDomainWithGPL http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#OrigBSD you will see that it is not possible to combine each free and permissive licensed software with a GPL licensed software . Therefore , for FreeBSD , it is necessary to review each file with respect to GPL combination . Another point is that GPL license can cover only USED parts within a GPL licensed software . If FreeBSD is not , let´s say , called by , or linked into a GPL licensed software , it will NOT be GPL license covered . It is obvious that any software with its own license terms can NOT be re-licensed as GPL licensed software , at least because GPL can NOT remove its own license , but it can or can not be utilized within a GPL licensed software . As a result , my opinion is that FreeBSD can NOT be re-licensed as a GPL licensed software as a whole . In reality , this is not necessary also because FreeBSD sources are open to public through its source repositories . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free bsd license
On Feb 15, 2010, at 10:38 AM, tristan wrote: is the FreeBSD-8.0-amd.iso itself under the bsd license? Mostly; there's a compilation copyright associated with the FreeBSD ISO images, but some of the components of FreeBSD are under the GPL (notably the GCC compiler toolchain), and possibly CDDL for stuff from Sun like ZFS. i mean the free bsd operating system, not the software i plan to modify then redistribute it, under a new name. it will remain under the same license, with the same copyright docs, but the help or other docs will be gone, my own put in. (just trying to give as much details as possible, I'm new to this) There's nothing wrong with what you propose, although there is or should be a preference towards making improvements with the existing documentation rather than simply forking it and rolling something new. Regards, -- -Chuck PS: IANAL, TINLA. Cave canem. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free bSD Turkish Translation
Le Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:56:53 +0300, eyup yavas eyup...@gmail.com a écrit : http://www.tr.freebsd.org/ Add yoru Turkish Language Updated Please (Upayi Network) Based on BSD UNIX® = Thanks, I think you should submit this to the doc mailing list (freebsd-...@freebsd.org). Regards. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD 7 - Not able to receive messages
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:17:59 +0530, Blessan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have installed free bsd 7 on on Intel Xeon Machine with 1 Gb ram. But i cant use the mailing facility .. i can send mail by typing [mail username] then follows the subject and message then EOF. but i when i check mail of that particular user it shows No mail for that user ?? Why is it so .. ? Be sure to have the correct sendmail command in /etc/rc.conf (see /etc/defaults/rc.conf), sendmail_enable=YES or sendmail_submit_enable=YES. If you sent a mail to a user, check if his mailbox has gotten the massage, it is /var/mail/$USER. Do i have to reinstall .. I don't think so. Also i have to configure my network card each time i reboot.. Did you put the proper ifconfig line in /etc/rc.conf? -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
network card configure (was: Re: Free BSD 7 - Not able to receive messages)
(creating a new thread with a new subject) On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:17:59 +0530 Blessan wrote: Also i have to configure my network card each time i reboot.. How do you configure your network card? Did you write your configuration to /etc/rc.conf[.local]? You may consider reading rc.conf(5) for more details (in particular the description of network_interfaces). WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD 7 - Not able to receive messages
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:17:59 +0530 Blessan wrote: I have installed free bsd 7 on on Intel Xeon Machine with 1 Gb ram. But i cant use the mailing facility .. i can send mail by typing [mail username] then follows the subject and message then EOF. but i when i check mail of that particular user it shows No mail for that user ?? Why is it so .. ? Do i have to reinstall .. Is your usename a local one? An example of your typing and system diagnostics will be helpfull. Then there is a /var/log/maillog file with sendmail (assuming you didn't install and use other MTA) diagnostic messages. Look there for more details. If you don't understand them, please post the relevant part. WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD 6.3 Export Control Classification
Chocas, Connie S wrote: I could not find anything referencing export controls for FreeBSD. You may find the following link for Apache Software Foundation products helpful. This is the type is information that is needed to determine what is required to legally export software. If FreeBSD has any cryptographic functions there are export restrictions that need to be considered. http://www.apache.org/licenses/exports/#matrix The best I could find on this wasnt very helpful, but may be of some use. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2005-April/003269.html Vince Connie -Original Message- From: Jerry McAllister [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:12 AM To: darko gavrilovic Cc: Chocas, Connie S; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Free BSD 6.3 Export Control Classification On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 06:54:39PM -0400, darko gavrilovic wrote: http://www.freebsd.org/where.html I don't see anywhere in that reference that the question is answered or even alluded to. It does give information on how to obtain a copy of FreeBSD, but nothing about ECC. jerry On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Chocas, Connie S [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I would appreciate you assistance in providing the U.S. Commerce Department Export Control Classification for FreeBSD 6.3. Thank you, Connie Chocas Sandia National Laboratories Classification and Export Control Phone: (505) 844-5982; Fax: (505) 284-4927 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- regards, dg using fsdb(8) and clri(8) was like climbing Mount Everest in sandals and shorts. Since writing that, I've tried them more than once and discovered that I was wrong. You don't get the shorts. -- M.W. Lucas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD 6.3 Export Control Classification
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 06:54:39PM -0400, darko gavrilovic wrote: http://www.freebsd.org/where.html I don't see anywhere in that reference that the question is answered or even alluded to. It does give information on how to obtain a copy of FreeBSD, but nothing about ECC. jerry On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Chocas, Connie S [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I would appreciate you assistance in providing the U.S. Commerce Department Export Control Classification for FreeBSD 6.3. Thank you, Connie Chocas Sandia National Laboratories Classification and Export Control Phone: (505) 844-5982; Fax: (505) 284-4927 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- regards, dg using fsdb(8) and clri(8) was like climbing Mount Everest in sandals and shorts. Since writing that, I've tried them more than once and discovered that I was wrong. You don't get the shorts. -- M.W. Lucas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free BSD 6.3 Export Control Classification
I could not find anything referencing export controls for FreeBSD. You may find the following link for Apache Software Foundation products helpful. This is the type is information that is needed to determine what is required to legally export software. If FreeBSD has any cryptographic functions there are export restrictions that need to be considered. http://www.apache.org/licenses/exports/#matrix Connie -Original Message- From: Jerry McAllister [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:12 AM To: darko gavrilovic Cc: Chocas, Connie S; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Free BSD 6.3 Export Control Classification On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 06:54:39PM -0400, darko gavrilovic wrote: http://www.freebsd.org/where.html I don't see anywhere in that reference that the question is answered or even alluded to. It does give information on how to obtain a copy of FreeBSD, but nothing about ECC. jerry On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Chocas, Connie S [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I would appreciate you assistance in providing the U.S. Commerce Department Export Control Classification for FreeBSD 6.3. Thank you, Connie Chocas Sandia National Laboratories Classification and Export Control Phone: (505) 844-5982; Fax: (505) 284-4927 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- regards, dg using fsdb(8) and clri(8) was like climbing Mount Everest in sandals and shorts. Since writing that, I've tried them more than once and discovered that I was wrong. You don't get the shorts. -- M.W. Lucas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD 6.3 Export Control Classification
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:18:32AM -0600, Chocas, Connie S wrote: I could not find anything referencing export controls for FreeBSD. You may find the following link for Apache Software Foundation products helpful. This is the type is information that is needed to determine what is required to legally export software. If FreeBSD has any cryptographic functions there are export restrictions that need to be considered. http://www.apache.org/licenses/exports/#matrix I don't know about the legal details and I don't have time to read up about it, but I would note that FreeBSD is already exported by default since it is copied by people in many countries and there are mirrors in other countries.It is not explicitly exported by the FreeBSD Foundation, but its movement around the world is quite thorough, done by those who use it. There was a time that the encryption issue made things difficult for some people using FreeBSD, but the Gov standards were changed and the issue quieted down. I don't know if it is solved. jerry Connie -Original Message- From: Jerry McAllister [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:12 AM To: darko gavrilovic Cc: Chocas, Connie S; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Free BSD 6.3 Export Control Classification On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 06:54:39PM -0400, darko gavrilovic wrote: http://www.freebsd.org/where.html I don't see anywhere in that reference that the question is answered or even alluded to. It does give information on how to obtain a copy of FreeBSD, but nothing about ECC. jerry On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Chocas, Connie S [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I would appreciate you assistance in providing the U.S. Commerce Department Export Control Classification for FreeBSD 6.3. Thank you, Connie Chocas Sandia National Laboratories Classification and Export Control Phone: (505) 844-5982; Fax: (505) 284-4927 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- regards, dg using fsdb(8) and clri(8) was like climbing Mount Everest in sandals and shorts. Since writing that, I've tried them more than once and discovered that I was wrong. You don't get the shorts. -- M.W. Lucas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD 6.3 Export Control Classification
http://www.freebsd.org/where.html On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Chocas, Connie S [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I would appreciate you assistance in providing the U.S. Commerce Department Export Control Classification for FreeBSD 6.3. Thank you, Connie Chocas Sandia National Laboratories Classification and Export Control Phone: (505) 844-5982; Fax: (505) 284-4927 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- regards, dg using fsdb(8) and clri(8) was like climbing Mount Everest in sandals and shorts. Since writing that, I've tried them more than once and discovered that I was wrong. You don't get the shorts. -- M.W. Lucas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD font
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:30:20 +0100
Martin Houlden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
HI guys
I currently run a Free BSD server using plesk 8.1 - not that this has
anything to do with my question!
But i'm putting together a corporate ID for a charity, and have been
looking for a rounded font. So far i've tried the usual suspects
(VAG, arial helvetica rounded) but not found anything that really
works.
Can you let me know what font you've used for the main Free BSD logo
- I think it's really very nice and perfectly understated.
Hi Martin,
search the archives for the announcement of the new logo (sometime last year).
It includes information about the winner entry (as well as LOADS of discussions
on how good/bad/horrible/ok it is :-) ). I remember reading something about the
font there too.
Or browse freebsd.org - i'm pretty certain the information about the logo is
there somewhere.
good luck
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Re: Free Bsd 6.2
Boot off of the CD1. Erase ubuntu from the disk using a harsh and abrasive solvent like bleach. ~~BAS On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 12:01 -0500, Jack Jordan wrote: I purchased a copy of this software. what is the installation command line for opening disk#1,2,Ubunto ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Brian A. Seklecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Collaborative Fusion, Inc. IMPORTANT: This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If the reader of this message is not an intended recipient (or the individual responsible for the delivery of this message to an intended recipient), please be advised that any re-use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free Bsd 6.2
On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 12:01:07PM -0500, Jack Jordan wrote: I purchased a copy of this software. what is the installation command line for opening disk#1,2,Ubunto ?? What does Ubunto have to do with it? Do you also have Ubunto installed on the disk - eg this is installed as a dual-boot? In that case, if things are installed correctly, it should come up with a menu item for it and FreeBSD at boot time. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free Bsd 6.2
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Jack Jordan wrote: I purchased a copy of this software. what is the installation command line for opening disk#1,2,Ubunto Ubunto is a Linux packaged distribution. If you want the FreeBSD equivalent of that check out http://www.pcbsd.org/. If you purchased FreeBSD 6.x first start with http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html. The short answer to your question is probably ctrl-alt-delete. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD sources
Hi, I am new to FreeBSD, would like get the FreeBSD sources, the network sources like IP stack and natd. I was trying to find it from the FreeBSD web site also looked at the hand book. Any tar format source tree for FreeBSD would be a great help, appreciate any help in this regard. It is all on the web site. If you choose to install source when you do a FreeBSD install, then the full source set will be installed on your machine in /usr/src and you can rummage around at your leisure. You can also get just the source from www.freebsd.org Have fun, jerry Thanks and regards Achari ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD sources
On Jul 28, 2006, at 5:43 PM, Kakinada Umamaheswar-W00231 wrote: I am new to FreeBSD, would like get the FreeBSD sources, the network sources like IP stack and natd. I was trying to find it from the FreeBSD web site also looked at the hand book. Any tar format source tree for FreeBSD would be a great help, appreciate any help in this regard. Welcome. You can browse the CVS repository here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ ...otherwise, consult this section of the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ synching.html ...or just grab an ISO image or tarball of the files directly from the FTP servers linked from here: http://www.freebsd.org/where.html -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD - Suggestion
On 4/19/06, Everton Sanches [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm designer and I really appreciate the freeBSD. I would like that you take a look on my suggestion to the logo of freeBDS(r). It's simple and innovative. Thank you. [3Dcid:image001.gif@01C663C2.2CBA2600] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think you're sorta late.. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD Mirror
On 4/8/06, Jim Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am interested in donating a server and bandwidth for a freebsd mirror site. Can some one help me with this request. If you have any questions please call 443-807-8076 that's great! please read this documentation first, it should help you get started with this process: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/hubs/index.html -pete -- ~~o0OO0o~~ Pete Wright www.nycbug.org NYC's *BSD User Group ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD Upgrade Problem
On 2006-03-29 15:34, dharam paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo all! I am very new to FreeBSD. I installed freebsd 5.4 I upgraded to source of RELENG_6_0 while I fetched in the ports of current release by use of '*default tag=. I followed following steps after downloading above with CVSUP: (Please pardon me , I am from windows background for my language I backed up my kernel, #cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf #cp GENERIC GENERIC1.BAK next #cd /usr/ports #make installworld #make buildworld #make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC #make install kernel KERNCONF=GENERIC I'm sure these are not the commands you used. There is no 'installworld' target in /usr/ports. It is _wrong_ to run `make installworld' _before_ you have completed the normal sequence of build install. There is no `install kernel' target in /usr/ports. [snip stuff about mergemaster, mixed with etc/master.passwd problems] If you ask me, I think you have probably screwed things up a bit :( Restore from a backup and start over, this time following the instructions of `/usr/src/UPDATING', *VERY* carefully. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free BSD Upgrade Problem
I am very new to FreeBSD. I installed freebsd 5.4 I upgraded to source of RELENG_6_0 while I fetched in the ports of current release by use of '*default tag=. I followed following steps after downloading above with CVSUP: (Please pardon me , I am from windows background for my language I backed up my kernel, #cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf #cp GENERIC GENERIC1.BAK next See here for a guide to upgrade FreeBSD to a new version. It's the steps I used t upgrade from 5.4 to 6 http://mikestammer.com/doku.php?id=bsd You are interested in the first link. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD on Macintosh OS 10.3.9 ?
On Tuesday 21 February 2006 20:14, elisabet lundvall wrote: can I use free BSD in my mac? I have Panther in my iBook, but there is no BSD in it. I tryed once to get it from the CD OS 10.2.3, but since it was older than my updated system OS 10.3.9 the system crashed! I need the BSD to try out the Adobe program Indesign. Do you know what I should do? Elizabet, I think you're confusing the BSD Base System (installed as an optional extra off the OS X CD) with FreeBSD (a complete operating system). If you need the BSD base system you will need an up-to-date OS X CD. But I've found it won't work with a patched system, so you will at best have to reinstall off a 10.3 CD. (or upgrade to 10.4) Ashley ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free BSD on Macintosh OS 10.3.9 ?
Elisabet, I don't think you need the BSD base system to run Adobe Indesign system. But, if you do then you have to do it this way: 1) backup all your data files from your iBook. Unplug your ethernet connection so you have no network connection. 2) insert disk #1 of the Panther OS and boot with the C key to boot off the CD 3) When the option comes up asking if you want to install OSX, select the option to completely erase the existing disk and reinitialize it. 4) Install Panther. 5) Before plugging in the ethernet cable, boot from the hard disk of the iBook, insert disk #1, and go to the additional installers and run the BSD system installer. 6) Plug in ethernet cable and run Software Update. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of elisabet lundvall Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:14 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Free BSD on Macintosh OS 10.3.9 ? Hi, can I use free BSD in my mac? I have Panther in my iBook, but there is no BSD in it. I tryed once to get it from the CD OS 10.2.3, but since it was older than my updated system OS 10.3.9 the system crashed! I need the BSD to try out the Adobe program Indesign. Do you know what I should do? Yours Elisabet Lundvall ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 2/20/2006 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free BSD on Macintosh OS 10.3.9 ?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ashley Moran Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:53 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: elisabet lundvall Subject: Re: Free BSD on Macintosh OS 10.3.9 ? On Tuesday 21 February 2006 20:14, elisabet lundvall wrote: can I use free BSD in my mac? I have Panther in my iBook, but there is no BSD in it. I tryed once to get it from the CD OS 10.2.3, but since it was older than my updated system OS 10.3.9 the system crashed! I need the BSD to try out the Adobe program Indesign. Do you know what I should do? Elizabet, I think you're confusing the BSD Base System (installed as an optional extra off the OS X CD) with FreeBSD (a complete operating system). If you need the BSD base system you will need an up-to-date OS X CD. But I've found it won't work with a patched system, so you will at best have to reinstall off a 10.3 CD. (or upgrade to 10.4) I don't think that is true. I just installed an OSX Panther system on a new hard disk in my G3 and it works fine. But you must install the BSD base system first, before patching anything, right after installing osX. And you must install osx on a clean disk. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD on Macintosh OS 10.3.9 ?
On Wednesday 22 February 2006 11:37, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I don't think that is true. I just installed an OSX Panther system on a new hard disk in my G3 and it works fine. But you must install the BSD base system first, before patching anything, right after installing osX. And you must install osx on a clean disk. That's what I meant to say but it didn't come out very well :) Ashley ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD on Macintosh OS 10.3.9 ?
On 22/02/2006, at 10:37 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Elisabet, I don't think you need the BSD base system to run Adobe Indesign system. But, if you do then you have to do it this way: 1) backup all your data files from your iBook. Unplug your ethernet connection so you have no network connection. 2) insert disk #1 of the Panther OS and boot with the C key to boot off the CD 3) When the option comes up asking if you want to install OSX, select the option to completely erase the existing disk and reinitialize it. 4) Install Panther. You can use the Options button to select the extra components at this stage. It saves you the extra reboot and install in step 5 below 5) Before plugging in the ethernet cable, boot from the hard disk of the iBook, insert disk #1, and go to the additional installers and run the BSD system installer. 6) Plug in ethernet cable and run Software Update. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD on Macintosh OS 10.3.9 ?
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:14:17 +0100 elisabet lundvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, can I use free BSD in my mac? I have Panther in my iBook, but there is no BSD in it. I tryed once to get it from the CD OS 10.2.3, but since it was older than my updated system OS 10.3.9 the system crashed! I need the BSD to try out the Adobe program Indesign. Do you know what I should do? Yours Elisabet Lundvall Hi Elisabet, Adobe InDesign neither needs nor supports BSD. InDesign supports Windows 2000 (with Service Pack 3), Windows XP and Mac OS X versions 10.2.8 - 10.4.1. The full system requirements can be found using the link below. http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/systemreqs.html Andrew Gould ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote
On Monday 02 January 2006 10:52, fbsd_user wrote: here is another install guide more up to date http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/fbsd_installguide/index.php When I finish with getting Free BSD 6.0 I'll write another one the same way I did that one. Are you claiming authorship for the install guide at the above URL? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote
On 2006-01-03 12:25, fbsd_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 02 January 2006 10:52, fbsd_user wrote: here is another install guide more up to date http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/fbsd_installguide/index.php When I finish with getting Free BSD 6.0 I'll write another one the same way I did that one. Are you claiming authorship for the install guide at the above URL? Nice quoting and attribution of post snippets there... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote
fbsd_user wrote: here is another install guide more up to date http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/fbsd_installguide/index.php This is an excellent howto. Explains each step in detail, and highlights key points. also shows screenshots of the entire process. __ Frank Laszlo System Administrator The VonOstin Group Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW:http://www.vonostingroup.com Mobile: 248-863-7584 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 12:30, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2006-01-03 12:25, fbsd_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 02 January 2006 10:52, fbsd_user wrote: here is another install guide more up to date http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/fbsd_installguide/index.php When I finish with getting Free BSD 6.0 I'll write another one the same way I did that one. Are you claiming authorship for the install guide at the above URL? No, I claimed authorship to the link I posted in the original message. I tried to trim out a huge chunk but for some reason that was what it ended up with. although I know I left more than this in there. The original message I sent has a link to the one I wrote, I said I would make it the same as the one I wrote and explained what i meant further down in the message. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote
Allen wrote: I wrote this quite a while ago and I've posted it to the docs list before and it got a good repsonce, but I've seen a couple install questions on here so I'm going to link to it again for this list. I don't think there is an easier to follow installer help anywhere. Not arrogance, but I did do very well with it in making it easy as crap to install: http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=threadid=259335 You don't have to sign up to read this. -Allen First off this is NOT a flame. But I found your tutorial extremely hard to follow. First what does a user do if they can't boot from CD? Are there any preinstallation tasks like: inventory of hardware, ps/2 mouse or serial, size of partitions, user accounts/groups(other than root). I personally find it easier if you have a plan rather than shooting from the hip. You should have just told people to use the FreeBSD book or goto the handbook online. Another thing is that most people don't want to know or figure out how to install an operating system. They just want that puter thing to work. They don't care about disk partitions, video cards, or mouse daemons they just want it to work. You say: I don't think there is an easier to follow installer help anywhere. Not arrogance, but I did do very well with it in making it easy as crap to install I guess thats anitonline.com for yah. What about http://www.freebsd.org/handbook as Frank said. You should join the core team with your humbleness. Then in a later post on this thread you go onto say Lots more but I'm not going to waste space. For that I applaude you ;) Again this isn't a flame just being brutally honest. I think Frank said it best Good luck on your future writing, I hope that I didnt come across to strong on this post, But it is what it is. -josh p.s. Hello World! Sorry I'm a newbie...Had to get that out :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 16:50, Josh Soza wrote: Allen wrote: I wrote this quite a while ago and I've posted it to the docs list before and it got a good repsonce, but I've seen a couple install questions on here so I'm going to link to it again for this list. I don't think there is an easier to follow installer help anywhere. Not arrogance, but I did do very well with it in making it easy as crap to install: http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=threadid=259335 You don't have to sign up to read this. -Allen First off this is NOT a flame. But I found your tutorial extremely hard to follow. First what does a user do if they can't boot from CD? I believe in the intro I pointed out Assumptions that you need to boot from CD for this particular tutorial. May God have mercy on anyone trying to do a floppy install. Even the books say not to do that. Ah here it is: Assumptions: You have a CD-ROM drive You won't be sharing the HD with another OS (If you are, when it comes time to partition, you're on your own I won't be showing you how to partition to use another OS with it, as I don't, and don't feel the need to, as there is enough documentation to get you through this anyway, and besides, you have to partition to use Free BSD anyway, so if you can do that, you can do it to allow another OS to reside on disk with Free BSD too.) You will be setting up a network connection. (If you are not, then skip that section). Are there any preinstallation tasks like: inventory of hardware, ps/2 mouse or serial, size of partitions, user accounts/groups(other than root). I personally find it easier if you have a plan rather than shooting from the hip. Again I believe that was pointed out as well where I pointed out the others I wrote, those say to grab all hardware info from your current OS as you'll need it. And I believe it was pointed out in this one as well. Not positive as I'm not reading through the entire thing, I've been up for 24 hours and I'm to tired to look when I know my other tutorials are linked to at the bottom and that do say to do so. You should have just told people to use the FreeBSD book or goto the handbook online. I did Several times. Except I took out online and put Buy these two books as they are good for anyone using BSD. Again, I believe people should at least buy those two books listed in the tutorial, both go over installs with pictures, and again, this was meant for people that you rightly pointed out don't care how the computer works. The users who've read it and used it have told me it was the easiest doc the have ever read and they were glad it was in non technical terms for them. A couple admins told me they have printed this out and put it up at the office. Another thing is that most people don't want to know or figure out how to install an operating system. They just want that puter thing to work. They don't care about disk partitions, video cards, or mouse daemons they just want it to work. You say: I don't think there is an easier to follow installer help anywhere. Not arrogance, but I did do very well with it in making it easy as crap to install I guess thats anitonline.com for yah. What about http://www.freebsd.org/handbook as Frank said. You should join the core team with your humbleness. Then in a later post on this thread you go onto say Lots more but I'm not going to waste space. For that I applaude you ;) Again this isn't a flame just being brutally honest. I think Frank said it best Good luck on your future writing, I hope that I didnt come across to strong on this post, But it is what it is. If I got bothered because someone didn't appreciate my work I'd sure be depressed. I've been flamed to the point someone said something I wrote was complete crap and I should commit suicide. THAT was harsh. And another mail I sent to the list today, I pointed out the reason I didn't link tot he docs. I WANT people to BUY the books from Free BSD to help support the project. You can't possibly think that was wrong of me, the developers need to eat too. -josh p.s. Hello World! Sorry I'm a newbie...Had to get that out :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote
Allen wrote: On Tuesday 03 January 2006 16:50, Josh Soza wrote: ..snip.. And another mail I sent to the list today, I pointed out the reason I didn't link tot he docs. I WANT people to BUY the books from Free BSD to help support the project. You can't possibly think that was wrong of me, the developers need to eat too. For the sake of argument, most of those publishers do not contribute to the community anyways. I believe the freebsdmall contributes a portion of all profits to the project, im not 100% sure though.. Regards, Frank ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote
Allen wrote: On Tuesday 03 January 2006 16:50, Josh Soza wrote: ..snip.. And another mail I sent to the list today, I pointed out the reason I didn't link tot he docs. I WANT people to BUY the books from Free BSD to help support the project. You can't possibly think that was wrong of me, the developers need to eat too. For the sake of argument, most of those publishers do not contribute to the community anyways. I think that is true, but just having some traffic in their FreeBSD selection is positive and supports the possibility that they might just publish more. I believe the freebsdmall contributes a portion of all profits to the project, im not 100% sure though.. I have heard they do, but don't know any details. jerry Regards, Frank ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 16:50, Josh Soza wrote: Allen wrote: I wrote this quite a while ago and I've posted it to the docs list before and it got a good repsonce, but I've seen a couple install questions on here so I'm going to link to it again for this list. I don't think there is an easier to follow installer help anywhere. Not arrogance, but I did do very well with it in making it easy as crap to install: http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=threadid=259335 You don't have to sign up to read this. -Allen First off this is NOT a flame. But I found your tutorial extremely hard to follow. First what does a user do if they can't boot from CD? I believe in the intro I pointed out Assumptions that you need to boot from CD for this particular tutorial. May God have mercy on anyone trying to do a floppy install. Even the books say not to do that. Doing the full install from floppy would be tortuous, but using the floppy to boot the sysinstall and then doing the installation over the net is reasonable - not much different from using the CD to install over the net - which is what I normally do. jerry Ah here it is: Assumptions: You have a CD-ROM drive -josh p.s. Hello World! Sorry I'm a newbie...Had to get that out :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote
here is another install guide more up to date http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/fbsd_installguide/index.php -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 5:35 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote I wrote this quite a while ago and I've posted it to the docs list before and it got a good repsonce, but I've seen a couple install questions on here so I'm going to link to it again for this list. I don't think there is an easier to follow installer help anywhere. Not arrogance, but I did do very well with it in making it easy as crap to install: http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=threadid=259335 You don't have to sign up to read this. -Allen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote
On Monday 02 January 2006 10:52, fbsd_user wrote: here is another install guide more up to date http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/fbsd_installguide/index.php When I finish with getting Free BSD 6.0 I'll write another one the same way I did that one. And another poster said I should have linked to the docs for help, but there was a reason that was left out. See people use this OS for free and never pay for anything to help the developers out. So I instead of linking to free docs told them to BUY two books. This helps them out in that they have a book to look at instead of docs. and the developers get at least a little extra cash for the project. So far I've gotten fairly good feed back but some people didn't quite like it. That's fine, however I got a lot of mail from people who loved that tutorial and said they were thinking of trying a new OS and wanted BSD but the docs were to confusing for some reason or another so they weren't going to install it because it wouldn't work and after reading that, they got it. Another poster said I should not have said Hit this or that arrow key however many times well, to be honest, I don't plan on making it say scroll in the next one I write. I did that once and people went for their mouses to scroll THAT is why I said hit arrow keys. It's only more confusing to people who can just read the Free BSD docs already out there, this was for people coming from Windows where scroll means something on the mouse. My target audience for this wasn't people who already use it, it was for people who never have used anything but Windows. And yes I didn't add anything on configuration because I took most questions myself and then if I couldn't figure out their problems I pointed them to the docs. This worked for most of them and I'm happy with the tournout. So thanks all for the comments, I'll take most of them into consideration for the next one except for the one about scrolling. Sorry man but that would confuse people worse than me saying to hit arrow keys a certain number of times. Believe me, I have an aunt who thinks she's a hacker and good with computers but at the same time thinks the icon in her Windows 98 task bar that tells her she's online with her ISP, is the reaosn her computer doesn't work. Yea. Neat huh? ;) I tested this tutorial out with users who've never used anything but Windows and know nothing at all about computers, I think it did the job of getting people to at least try BSD out as I haven't heard of anyone following this and not getting the thing installed. Wait I take that back, two people couldn't install with it, however, that was from one having a USB keyboard that didn't work and another a USB mouse. So other than that, it's worked for everyone I've told to try it. Can't be that bad of a tutorial, it was published 3 times heh. I've done similar tutorials where I tell exactly which key to press and when, for the following: Slackware SUSE Dual booting Debian and windows XP Dual booting Slackware and Free BSD Dual booting SUSE and Windows XP Lots more but I'm not going to waste space. Anyway, this is longer than I intended so I'll stop here and wait for more comments. I'm not trying to make others sound stupid, my goal is making Unix easier for people who aren't good with computer in general. They need it most of all, Windows is WAY to confusing for a person new to computers, you have to use AV software for worms and so on, and adware scanners, it's to much for a user new to computing, I recommend Linux and BSD to people who don't know much. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote
Allen wrote: I wrote this quite a while ago and I've posted it to the docs list before and it got a good repsonce, but I've seen a couple install questions on here so I'm going to link to it again for this list. I don't think there is an easier to follow installer help anywhere. Not arrogance, but I did do very well with it in making it easy as crap to install: http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=threadid=259335 You don't have to sign up to read this. -Allen I dont want this to sound like a flame, though it will probably come across that way. But there are many typographical errors in your howto and also many misconceptions that could cause newbies to be confused. I found myself getting confused and I've been using FreeBSD for years. Heres a few notable portions: A) FreeBSD 5.0 is very old, and was never a production release, I noticed you wrote your howto in 2002, so I'll let that one slide. B) Using words like Hit enter twice down up right etc.. will confuse people. you're better of saying something along the lines of. Scroll down to 'foo' etc. C) You make a reference to X86, I assume you mean XFree86 Overall is gives a pretty basic description of the procedure, however you should reference the freebsd handbook (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook) for more information on certain sections. Now, heres where its gets raunchy, I read further in the post, and you are making reference to security on freebsd. If you actually read the advisories, you will notice 9 times out of 10 they are applications on the base system, generally not exploitable remotely. Also, You have to remember that freebsd base and kernel are developed together, I'll find you'll be hard to find a freebsd 'kernel' exploit. Oh, just noticed, you said: User B on the other hand is running Free BSD, and has no idea how to update it. SSH was installed and running by default, and the user doesn't know how to use upgrade_pkg. What is upgrade_pkg? I think you mean portupgrade. Overall, my rant is just the fact I dont think you are in a position to be judging security of an OS without knowing the OS. Its apparent that you do not. I'm not going to comment on the accuracy of your slackware experience, I think I read that you've been using it for 2 years? Good luck on your future writing, I hope that I didnt come across to strong on this post, But it is what it is. Regards, Frank ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote
Hello Allen, Sunday, January 1, 2006, 11:34:52 PM, you wrote: I wrote this quite a while ago and I've posted it to the docs list before and it got a good repsonce, but I've seen a couple install questions on here so I'm going to link to it again for this list. I don't think there is an easier to follow installer help anywhere. Not arrogance, but I did do very well with it in making it easy as crap to install: I think handbook is here for this purpose (and people should be following it, as it is being updated on regular occasion, though there is possibility to find out-dated info and people are encouraged to notify doc@ people to update information provided) but no offense :) http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=threadid=259335 You don't have to sign up to read this. -Allen -- Best regards, Danielmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote
On Sunday 01 January 2006 19:09, Frank J. Laszlo wrote: User B on the other hand is running Free BSD, and has no idea how to update it. SSH was installed and running by default, and the user doesn't know how to use upgrade_pkg. See below, this wasn't a part of the tutorial. What is upgrade_pkg? I think you mean portupgrade. Overall, my rant is just the fact I dont think you are in a position to be judging security of an OS without knowing the OS. Its apparent that you do not. I'm not going to comment on the accuracy of your slackware experience, I think I read that you've been using it for 2 years? Good luck on your future writing, I hope that I didnt come across to strong on this post, But it is what it is. Well the reply you are reffering to is a paper I started writing and haven't finished. The first post was the tutorial and a few people asked me to post the paper I had been writing, it appears on the same page but has nothing to do with the tutorial which is the very first post listed. As I said the other reply was a paper I was asked to post so it wasn't part of it in any way shape or form. Regards, Frank ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD Certification
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Eugene Prenzler wrote: I would like to know if there is a institution in South Africa, Gauteng, Pretoria that offers Certification on Free BSD? And what are there contact details. I am not aware of any recognized BSD certification, but there are two current initiatives to establish certification - beware of the domain names! bsdcertification.org bsdcertification.com Cheers, Erik ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD Certification
Eugene Prenzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I would like to know if there is a institution in South Africa, Gauteng, Pretoria that offers Certification on Free BSD? Information can be found here: http://www.bsdcertification.org/ -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free BSD Heartbeat + Samba + Rsync
On Mon, 2005-05-09 at 07:48, David P. Discher wrote: Rob - Snip David, My setup is fairly simple, a couple of minor points regarding what I set out to do and how I set about it: 1. My network is fairly small (3 to 4 internal users and 2 to 3 external), but I needed to have a reasonably safe storage as the loss of data would be a major problem. I was running a W2k server with 2 250Gig drives mirrored as a file server, but that relies on the HW not failing (yes it happened). I had used CDs and tape to backup data but this a pain. I had a couple of spare machines and some 250Gig IDE hds so I thought that I would put together what is in effect a NAS on the cheap. 2. I setup the spare machines with a small hd with Free BSD 5.3 ( I chose Free BSD as I got fedup with the rapid updates on Linux and looked for something more stable. I do like Solaris and have used it in past but the HW is expensive). I added 2 250 Gig drives to both machines concatenated to form a 500 Gig drive mounted as /home/share/ and setup samba to share this on the network as the storage for the network. 3. I used 2 Gigabyte NICs to connect the machines directly with another NIc to the internal network. HA is setup using IPFAIL so that if the connection to the internal network fails the the alias IP is swapped to the 2nd node and samba starts on that machine. 4. The problem of rsync and timing is discussed in the HA Docs. In my case the timing is not too critical, as the files synced do not change that much. Again there are suggestions with the HA Doc's - I have mine set at 5 mins. There are also some Perl scripts for running rsynch which covers the issue of reversing the sync if the nodes change over. These are for linux and are quite complex s I have written my own. It checks to see which node is master, if the other node is running and if rsync is already running. The script does not do anything if the machine is not master, and warns if the other node is not running or rsync has not finished the previous run. Cron runs the script of both machines. I will be reducing the intervals between the Cron jobs and keeping an eye on the warnings to try and optimise the timing. There are possibilities of using other forms of syncing the files. Unfortunately the suggestions on the HA site don't run on Free BSD. Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD and HP's Integrated Lights Out
thanks for the reply on this. I wanting the buy the advance package license for the remote media feature and the graphic display so that way I can run the smart start cd wipe the drives and do a fresh installation of free bsd remotely if i want to. With out the advanced package license all i can do is view texted information and power on or off the server, thats really about it. Here is the link to the license package. http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product.asp?sku=1894865 I am 95 percent sure that I was able to see the free bsd installation screen when I was playing around with the 30 day trial. but for $350.00 I want to make darn sure, because im sure once i buy it im stuck with it, weather if works or not. The people I spoke with at HP have no idea how they can give me a few more days on the 30 day trial license to test it out. Is there anyone here who has a DL380 with the integrated lights out that has not used up their 30 day trial that would be willing to test and verify this? Doug - --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know, basic iLO features are not OS dependent at all. But if you need a license, you're using advanced features; basic support is included with the server. Possibly you want to get to a graphic display? If you can do with access to a text terminal you should be fine. Switching to a text terminal via a SSH session to iLO can, for example, be done by assigning CTRL-ALT-F1 to say CTRL-T in iLO itself. On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 10:08:48AM -0800, Doug Paquette wrote: Group, Is there anyone here who knows if HP's Integrated Lights out card on a Proliant DL380 G3 will for sure work with Free BSD? I beleive it will from the last time I tried the trial, but that was 8 months ago and I cannot remember if it did or not, and I have already used up my 30 day trial, and HP doesn't know how to get me more trial time. I hate to buy the licencing pack without knowing for sure. Can anyone help me with this? Thanks Doug __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD and HP's Integrated Lights Out
As far as I know, basic iLO features are not OS dependent at all. But if you need a license, you're using advanced features; basic support is included with the server. Possibly you want to get to a graphic display? If you can do with access to a text terminal you should be fine. Switching to a text terminal via a SSH session to iLO can, for example, be done by assigning CTRL-ALT-F1 to say CTRL-T in iLO itself. On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 10:08:48AM -0800, Doug Paquette wrote: Group, Is there anyone here who knows if HP's Integrated Lights out card on a Proliant DL380 G3 will for sure work with Free BSD? I beleive it will from the last time I tried the trial, but that was 8 months ago and I cannot remember if it did or not, and I have already used up my 30 day trial, and HP doesn't know how to get me more trial time. I hate to buy the licencing pack without knowing for sure. Can anyone help me with this? Thanks Doug __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD Router/Gateway
Robert Slade wrote:
This leads me to my first question, what modem should I use, is there a
USB or PCI modem that works well with Free BSD?
Is there a reason you wouldn't just connect the 'modem' to the FreeBSD
box via ethernet? The DSL comes into the modem, the ethernet goes out to
the FreeBSD box. You would need a second NIC in the box for this.
If you want to confirm compatible hardware, check out the hardware notes
associated with the release you're using:
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/index.html
Thinking about the Firwall / Routing issue leads to more questions:
What would the best way of doing this be, bearing in mind that it would
need to be remotely administered, preferably by a web page?
The minimal requirements would be:
1. NAT (network address translation)
The FreeBSD handbook has some good material on configuring NAT and port
forwarding.
2. Firewall Application (ipfw, ipf, ipfilter)
3. DHCP (dhcpd)
4. DNS (BIND, djbdns)
These apps are either built in or easily available via the ports tree.
If you're going to have multiple IPs coming in the DSL and routed to the
hosts behind it, you'll want to look at aliasing the interface to
accept traffic for all of them ('man ifconfig').
As for the remote administration, if you *really* want web based, webmin
is popular (http://www.webmin.com/)but then again, so is ssh. If you can
live with the command line, you won't have to install a webserver at all.
Is there a Howtoo or similar that would help?
Many. Google is your friend.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=freebsd+howto+firewallbtnG=Google+Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enlr=safe=offq=freebsd+howto+NATbtnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enlr=safe=offq=freebsd+howto+DNSbtnG=Search
etc ...
Good luck.
--Tim Erlin
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Re: Free BSD 5.3 SMP Kernel
I'm just guessing, but it sounds like you come from a Linux background. What you want to do is roll your own kernel by copying the /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC file to /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/MYSYSTEMNAME Upper case system names are traditionally used for the kernel config file in unix. HP-UX is the same, IIRC. Edit in: quote # To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel device apic# I/O APIC /quote You will also want to change things like ident to MYSYSTEMNAME. There are a plethora of other options to have a play with as well. after you've finished editing go to /usr/src and run make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYSYSTEMNAME then make installkernel KERNCONF=MYSYSTEMNAME then reboot. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig.html will help you tremendously. Personally I find the whole process much simpler than configuring a Linux kernel. Regards, Jon On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 11:12 +, Robert Slade wrote: Hi, I am new to Free BSD ( and Linux) and have just setup a rather old Proliant 5000 as a test machine. It has Quad PII processors and I would like to make use of them. The Install CDs only come with the 'Standard' kernel. Looking through the handbook implies that support for multiple processors in 5.3 was removed due to problems. I have seen references to a 5.3 SMP kernal though, is it possible to get hold of this, or do I have to wait for 5.4 to be released? If so when is this likely to be released. Sorry if this is a simple question. Thanks Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- Achean Ltdhttp://www.achean.com Jon Mercer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD 5.3 SMP Kernel
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:12:57 +, Robert Slade wrote Hi, I am new to Free BSD ( and Linux) and have just setup a rather old Proliant 5000 as a test machine. It has Quad PII processors and I would like to make use of them. The Install CDs only come with the 'Standard' kernel. Looking through the handbook implies that support for multiple processors in 5.3 was removed due to problems. I have seen references to a 5.3 SMP kernal though, is it possible to get hold of this, or do I have to wait for 5.4 to be released? If so when is this likely to be released. Sorry if this is a simple question. You'll have to recompile the kernel with SMP support. If you don't want to compile your own kernel, you can use SMP, located in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf. If you don't have that, you don't have your kernel sources installed. See http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/current-stable. html for more information. Do read every page of that chapter. Jorn Thanks Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD 5.3 SMP Kernel
Jon, On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 11:24, Jon Mercer wrote: I'm just guessing, but it sounds like you come from a Linux background. Sort of, I have used Linux in the past (including building Kernels) but only came back to it recently I've also played with Solaris on a Sun Ultra. I'm looking to replace some of my servers etc which are running W2K server. I have tried Fedora but it is not stable enough for a production environment. Hence Free BSD. BTW neither FC2 or 3 will install on the Proliant - probably due to lack of EISA support. What you want to do is roll your own kernel by copying the /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC file to /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/MYSYSTEMNAME Upper case system names are traditionally used for the kernel config file in unix. HP-UX is the same, IIRC. Edit in: quote # To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel device apic# I/O APIC /quote You will also want to change things like ident to MYSYSTEMNAME. There are a plethora of other options to have a play with as well. after you've finished editing go to /usr/src and run make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYSYSTEMNAME Its running now, but taking it's time. I'm not surprised as it only running on 1 cylinder so to speak. then make installkernel KERNCONF=MYSYSTEMNAME then reboot. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig.html will help you tremendously. Personally I find the whole process much simpler than configuring a Linux kernel. Regards, Jon On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 11:12 +, Robert Slade wrote: Hi, I am new to Free BSD ( and Linux) and have just setup a rather old Proliant 5000 as a test machine. It has Quad PII processors and I would like to make use of them. The Install CDs only come with the 'Standard' kernel. Looking through the handbook implies that support for multiple processors in 5.3 was removed due to problems. I have seen references to a 5.3 SMP kernal though, is it possible to get hold of this, or do I have to wait for 5.4 to be released? If so when is this likely to be released. Sorry if this is a simple question. Thanks Rob Again many thanks. Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD 5.0
On 2005-01-24 14:04, Tiffany Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a server operating systems class here at OSU-Okmulgee, and we are trying to install the Apache web server 2.0, but are unable to do so with the CD that came with our book or throught the port. cd /usr/ports/www/apache2 and make install do not work. It results with: error 1 Make sure your ports tree is up to date (see the Handbook for instructions about this) and then try again. If apache2 fails to install, show us the exact commands you used and the exact error message you are seeing. An easy way to do this is to run script(1) before installing apache2 and saving the typescript of the entire session to a file: % orion# script /tmp/apache2.log % Script started, output file is /tmp/apache2.log % orion# cd /usr/ports/www/apache2 % orion# make install % % [ many lines snipped ] % % orion# exit % exit % % Script done, output file is /tmp/apache2.log % orion# ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD
+++ K.T. [freebsd] [06-01-05 17:42 +0100]: | |I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems. |You never get over Windows or Linux. |FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-( | | -- *clap* *clap* Now sit in the corner and observe the posts on the list. period. Shantanoo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:42:12 +0100, K.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems. I think you don't know what your talking about. You never get over Windows or Linux. FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-( Prove it. ...D ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD
On 06 jan 2005, at 17:42, K.T. wrote: I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems. You never get over Windows or Linux. FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-( And your question is? Arno ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD
On 01/06/05 05:42 PM, K.T. sat at the `puter and typed: I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems. You never get over Windows or Linux. FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-( Now that is by far the stupidest post I've seen in a good long time. Can you say TROLL? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD
Hello, On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:55:10AM -0500 or thereabouts, Louis LeBlanc wrote: Now that is by far the stupidest post I've seen in a good long time. If that is so, then why do you waste your time by responding to it? Such posts are better left ignored. :) Cheers, Martin -- martin hudec * 421 907 303 393 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.aeternal.net Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws. Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy pgpXBCLmbtncX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Free BSD
K.T. wrote: I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems. You never get over Windows or Linux. FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-( It's like Dave Horsfall wrote: _ /| /| | | | ||__|| | |Please do not| / O O\__ | feed the | / \ | Trolls | / \ \|_| / _\ \ || /|\\ \ || / | | | |\/ || / \|_|_|/ | _|| / / \|| || / | | | --| | | | | --| * _| |_|_|_| | \-/ *-- _--\ _ \ | || / _ \\|/ ` * / \_ /- | | | * ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c -- Tabor Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tabor.taborandtashell.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD
K.T. wrote: I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems. You never get over Windows or Linux. FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-( Hey Butthead, heh,heh, I heard that they, uh, like put plutonium in bowling balls. No way, Beavis, that's golf balls you're thinking of. They put people's heads in bowling balls, dumbass. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD
No, i can´t say TROLL - Original Message - From: Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:55 PM Subject: Re: Free BSD On 01/06/05 05:42 PM, K.T. sat at the `puter and typed: I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems. You never get over Windows or Linux. FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-( Now that is by far the stupidest post I've seen in a good long time. Can you say TROLL? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD
Duane Winner wrote: No way, Beavis, that's golf balls you're thinking of. They put people's heads in bowling balls, dumbass. Beavis! Your balls are filthy. Too the ball washer *now* . ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:27:29 -0700, Tom Vilot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duane Winner wrote: No way, Beavis, that's golf balls you're thinking of. They put people's heads in bowling balls, dumbass. Beavis! Your balls are filthy. Too the ball washer *now* . But you just keep on responding :( -- Joshua Lokken Open Source Advocate ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD
Joshua Lokken wrote: But you just keep on responding :( Ah, but I was not responding to the troll. :c) I was responding to Duane. 'tis one of my favorite BB lines .. That and ... Liar! Liar! Pants on whoa... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD documentation required
On 2004-12-08 15:55, Milind Nanal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to FreeBSD finding is little difficult with administrative commands. I have worked on RedHat Suse. Service startup, boot scripts, pstree command everything seems to be different in FreeBsd compare to RedHat or Suse. True. FreeBSD *is* different. It's not Linux, that's for sure :-) Linux distributions tend to introduce local Linuxisms some times. This is not truly bad and one can easily understand the motives behind the additions (compatibility with other SYSV systems, ease of use, etc). Getting used to such Linuxisms is bad though -- as you have already discovered. It tends to be important only when you have to switch to some other UNIX, which is not Linux. Can any give me good ref URL other that FreeBSD.org to refer BSD documents. Basic admin guide, security guide, tools, commands tips tricks, HOWTO is required to get hold the OS explore in a better manner. You can start here... . http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/basics.html . http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/system-administration.html Then, of course the entire Handbook may be a lot of help too... . http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ Online articles and other guides are available off-site... . http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bibliography.html O'Reilly's OnLamp.com has an excellent list of articles for getting started with BSD, administering BSD, e-mail, firewalls security, or networking... . http://www.onlamp.com/pub/q/all_bsd_articles . http://www.onlamp.com/topics/bsd/getting_started . http://www.onlamp.com/topics/bsd/administration . http://www.onlamp.com/topics/bsd/email . http://www.onlamp.com/topics/bsd/firewalls . http://www.onlamp.com/topics/bsd/security . http://www.onlamp.com/topics/bsd/networking The BSDnews network has a few sites that are VERY useful... . http://bsdnews.com/ . http://ezine.daemonnews.org/ . http://support.daemonnews.org/ I guess that's enough for a good start with FreeBSD :-) - Giorgos ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD documentation required
List, I am new to FreeBSD finding is little difficult with administrative commands. I have worked on RedHat Suse. Service startup, boot scripts, pstree command everything seems to be different in FreeBsd compare to RedHat or Suse. Can any give me good ref URL other that FreeBSD.org to refer BSD documents. Basic admin guide, security guide, tools, commands tips tricks, HOWTO is required to get hold the OS explore in a better manner. First of all, the Handbook which you can get from the FreeBSD.org site is your best source of information so don't discount it. Second, make use of searching. Google will be your friend. Third, there are several online publications with lots of helpful articles on various aspects of FreeBSD installation, administration and operation. One of these in Onlamp.com. There are many others. You will come across them whevever you do searches. Read these along with, not instead of, the Handbook. Fourth, after reading these sources, starting with the Handbook and the man pages and on through searches and online publications, if you have additional questions or need some more directions, then post questions to the appropriate FreeBSD Email list. Questions is often the most generally helpful. jerry Regards, Milind ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD documentation required
On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 03:55:11PM +0530, Milind Nanal said: List, I am new to FreeBSD finding is little difficult with administrative commands. I have worked on RedHat Suse. Service startup, boot scripts, pstree command everything seems to be different in FreeBsd compare to RedHat or Suse. FreeBSD is very well documented. And different, yes, but different in some cool and ingenious ways! :) http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ Can any give me good ref URL other that FreeBSD.org to refer BSD documents. Basic admin guide, security guide, tools, commands tips tricks, HOWTO is required to get hold the OS explore in a better manner. The FreeBSD handbook will cover everything you need, and Google and this list will do the rest :-) -- Adam Smith Internode : http://www.internode.on.net Phone : (08) 8228 2999 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD documentation required
On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 03:55:11PM +0530, Milind Nanal wrote: List, I am new to FreeBSD finding is little difficult with administrative commands. I have worked on RedHat Suse. Service startup, boot scripts, pstree command everything seems to be different in FreeBsd compare to RedHat or Suse. Can any give me good ref URL other that FreeBSD.org to refer BSD documents. Basic admin guide, security guide, tools, commands tips tricks, HOWTO is required to get hold the OS explore in a better manner. links /usr/share/doc/ links /usr/share/examples/ Or if you have an X session, run links -g on the two paths. I found OnLamp articles by Dru to be very helpful; and this seems apropos to your needs: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2004/11/11/FreeBSD_Basics.html http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/ct/15 Michael Lucas is also noteworthy: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/ct/13 Dan Langille has a site, and he posts here regularly with updates: http://www.freebsddiary.org/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD documentation required
At 04:25 12/8/2004, Milind Nanal wrote: List, I am new to FreeBSD finding is little difficult with administrative commands. I have worked on RedHat Suse. Service startup, boot scripts, pstree command everything seems to be different in FreeBsd compare to RedHat or Suse. Can any give me good ref URL other that FreeBSD.org to refer BSD documents. Basic admin guide, security guide, tools, commands tips tricks, HOWTO is required to get hold the OS explore in a better manner. Regards, Milind Hey Milind, Here's some more stuff: http://www.US-Webmasters.com/FreeBSD/Configuration/Shell/ http://www.US-Webmasters.com/FreeBSD/Unix-FreeBSD-Commands-Cheat-Sheet/Commands.txt http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Welcome to FreeBSD! Start Here to Find It Fast! - http://www.US-Webmasters.com/best-start-page/ $8.77 Domain Names - http://domains.us-webmasters.com/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD documentation
The most helpful site for me when i wa new to freebsd was http://www.defcon1.org/ While this site is not the most current out there, it has tutorials and what not for real world scenerios, ones the author actually used himself. However, aside from the FreeBSD Handbook, websites are not all that organized, and for this reason i would suggest picking up a book such as Absolute FreeBSD or FreeBSD Unleashed. They are rather helpful for the new to intermediate user. They are also helpful for experienced Linux users because you have the ability to scan through a particular section looking for the command, application, etc to do something you are familiar in linux with. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free-BSD FTP Passive Ports?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 25 November 2004 04:24, robg wrote: Hi: I'm running the built-in FTP program in FreeBSD, but I can't figure out how to specify passive ports. Could someone point me in the right direction Do you mean ftpd - the ftp-server? Ftpd accepts option -U to change data portrange, but you need to mess around with the portrange sysctls. For more information please refer to 'man 8 ftpd' and 'man 4 ip'. Cheers, ch - -- Christian Hiris [EMAIL PROTECTED] | OpenPGP KeyID 0x3BCA53BE OpenPGP-Key at hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net and http://pgp.mit.edu -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBpakX09WjGjvKU74RAjRiAJ4rFiXGBmc8/weSWKvWpQf3xQlcOACggYDw YFrh4swgFoGqcBgdIYrRnXw= =0mmh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FREE BSD
On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 12:56:44PM +0500, Jahangir Khan wrote: NAME OF MY COUNTRY- PAKISTA N- PK IS NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR LIST. PLEASE DO TO ENABLE ME TO ORDER. To order what? FreeBSD doesn't actually sell anything. On the other hand, it makes a great deal of stuff available for anyone to download for free. There's no limitation on downloading the system from anywhere, other than certain national restrictions on strong cryptography. Even so, unless your own locale forbids import of strong crypto, you can always download from, say, Canada or Germany perfectly legally. If you're after a set of the FreeBSD installation disks on CD Rom or DVD, those can be ordered from various companies around the world, some of which are listed here: http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/misc.html Those companies are not part of FreeBSD.org though: if you're having problems ordering from one of them, you should contact the customer support for the company directly. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK pgpefprvR7AbO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: free bsd ver 2.2.8
On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 11:15:33AM -0400, pat seddon wrote: Help I need commands to get system working . Booted to motd page but can`t get to the directories. You sound as if you need to learn about the unix basics -- commands like ls, cd, more, cp, mv etc. There's a bit in the FreeBSD handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/basics.html but you might find the Introduction to Unix course from Ohio State to be more to your taste: http://wks.uts.ohio-state.edu/unix_course/intro-1.html Cheers, Matthew PS. Why are you using such an old version of FreeBSD? 2.2.8 came out in December 1998, and it's way out of any active support. Unless you have a specific need for 2.2.8 (eg. specific hardware support) I'd strongly suggest updating to an up-to-date version -- 4.10 is probably your best choice -- certainly if you're going to put that system on the public internet. -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK pgpfrvZEU7RgS.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Free BSD
From the site: FreeBSD is an advanced operating system for x86 compatible, AMD64, DEC Alpha, IA-64, PC-98 and UltraSPARCR architectures. It is derived from BSD, the version of UNIXR developed at the University of California, Berkeley. It is developed and maintained by a large team of individuals. Additional platforms are in various stages of development Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of T Glaser Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Free BSD This website leads me to believe that this is an OS software package? I don't know for sure though. What did I stumble across here? What are you offering for free? Not real clear here on the website. If this is an OS do you have any screen shots of what it looks like or is it command line? Tim ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, T Glaser wrote: This website leads me to believe that this is an OS software package? Yes, this absolutely true. I quote the headline on http://www.freebsd.org : What is FreeBSD? FreeBSD is an advanced operating system for x86 compatible, AMD64, DEC Alpha, IA-64, PC-98 and UltraSPARC® architectures. x86 compatible means, you can run it on the usual Intel / AMD systems. I don't know for sure though. What did I stumble across here? What are you offering for free? You sound a little bit afraid. Although the FreeBSD logo is a little red daemon called Beastie, there is nothing evil in it. You don't have to sell your soul, neither buy a washing-machine. Not real clear here on the website. If this is an OS do you have any screen shots of what it looks like or is it command line? FreeBSD is a little bit like linux: If you like, you can set up a very basic OS with command-line (nice for slow old machines), if you have the hardware you can set up a modern multimedia desktop system like Gnome or KDE (which are also well known in the linux world). All kinds of server and network applications are available (and free). If you have got some space on your harddisk, you could just give 4.9 -RELEASE a try. For startup questions http://www.freebsd.org/handbook is very helpful. Have fun, Uli. Tim ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ |Peter Ulrich Kruppa| | Wuppertal | | Germany | +---+ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
