Re: Man pages take forever on slow machine?
Scott I. Remick wrote: Ok so I got over my hurdle getting FreeBSD 5.3 installed on this old Presario (it ended up being RAM... needed more than 16MB to get through install, borrowed some and then could then back off to default 16MB after 5.3 was on). I thought I was on a roll until I accidentally tried to bring up a man page. It has been on Formatting page, please wait... ever since. snip My pentium 100 MHz with 16 MB RAM runs smoothly with FreeBSD 4.10 , it even runs fvwm under X. I am not able to run 5.3 install, as I only have 16MB, I was suspecting that I need more memory for the install proccess. When I get another 16MB RAM to test, I will tell you. Will it be necessary to change the memory requirements in he handbook? We will see. Ramiro. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Man pages take forever on slow machine?
--- Ramiro Aceves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My pentium 100 MHz with 16 MB RAM runs smoothly with FreeBSD 4.10 , it even runs fvwm under X. I am not able to run 5.3 install, as I only have 16MB, I was suspecting that I need more memory for the install proccess. The reason I wanted 5.3 was so that, if my dad gets hooked and wants to progress, he doesn't have to unlearn the 4.x way of things after just learning it. Unfortunately this old system is the only spare one we had lying around. Now, I can understand needing more than 16MB to install. I can understand that there'd be a lot of swapping. I can understand it's going to be a lot slower than what I'm used to. But what I don't understand is how I could wake up this morning and it's STILL working on that man page. That seems to suggest not just proportional slowness, but that there's something horribly wrong. Truth is, even when it was churning, there wasn't a ton of hard drive access, which lead me to believe that it wasn't a RAM/VM/swapping issue. And now I don't even notice the hard drive light flashing. And even if it WAS swapping... I'd expect FreeBSD to multitask enough so that I could log in under another VTTY and run top and vmstat and such to figure out what was going on. Or at least being able to use CTRL-C to abort (which won't work). Maybe people think I'm masochistic here... but I struggle through these things to learn. Yeah I could just say Sorry, dad... you need to spend $100 and pick up a faster used system but that'd just turn him off the whole idea and keep it from happening anytime soon, and I wouldn't have learned anything more about FreeBSD. My nose tells me there's something wrong here above and beyond my system just being 1/4th the speed of a 450MHz Pentium or the hard drive being twice as slow... and I'd like to either figured it out so I can fix it, or learn precisely what it is for the future. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Man pages take forever on slow machine?
On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 06:15:44AM -0800, Scott I. Remick wrote: --- Ramiro Aceves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My pentium 100 MHz with 16 MB RAM runs smoothly with FreeBSD 4.10 , it even runs fvwm under X. I am not able to run 5.3 install, as I only have 16MB, I was suspecting that I need more memory for the install proccess. The reason I wanted 5.3 was so that, if my dad gets hooked and wants to progress, he doesn't have to unlearn the 4.x way of things after just learning it. Unfortunately this old system is the only spare one we had lying around. Now, I can understand needing more than 16MB to install. I can understand that there'd be a lot of swapping. I can understand it's going to be a lot slower than what I'm used to. But what I don't understand is how I could wake up this morning and it's STILL working on that man page. That seems to suggest not just proportional slowness, but that there's something horribly wrong. Truth is, even when it was churning, there wasn't a ton of hard drive access, which lead me to believe that it wasn't a RAM/VM/swapping issue. And now I don't even notice the hard drive light flashing. And even if it WAS swapping... I'd expect FreeBSD to multitask enough so that I could log in under another VTTY and run top and vmstat and such to figure out what was going on. Or at least being able to use CTRL-C to abort (which won't work). It sounds like your system has somehow gotten wedged, and won't get out of that state on its own. It does not sound like it is merely being slow - if it was you should indeed be able to switch to another VTTY or use CTRL-C to stop the offending process. My first guess would be some kind of hardware problem. My second guess would be that you have come across some nasty bug in the kernel. Maybe people think I'm masochistic here... but I struggle through these things to learn. Yeah I could just say Sorry, dad... you need to spend $100 and pick up a faster used system but that'd just turn him off the whole idea and keep it from happening anytime soon, and I wouldn't have learned anything more about FreeBSD. My nose tells me there's something wrong here above and beyond my system just being 1/4th the speed of a 450MHz Pentium or the hard drive being twice as slow... and I'd like to either figured it out so I can fix it, or learn precisely what it is for the future. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Man pages take forever on slow machine?
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:45 am, Scott I. Remick wrote: --- Ramiro Aceves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My pentium 100 MHz with 16 MB RAM runs smoothly with FreeBSD 4.10 , it even runs fvwm under X. I am not able to run 5.3 install, as I only have 16MB, I was suspecting that I need more memory for the install proccess. The reason I wanted 5.3 was so that, if my dad gets hooked and wants to progress, he doesn't have to unlearn the 4.x way of things after just learning it. Unfortunately this old system is the only spare one we had lying around. Now, I can understand needing more than 16MB to install. I can understand that there'd be a lot of swapping. I can understand it's going to be a lot slower than what I'm used to. But what I don't understand is how I could wake up this morning and it's STILL working on that man page. That seems to suggest not just proportional slowness, but that there's something horribly wrong. What is your total memory space? Do you have enough swap space? All hell can break loose if physical memory + swap space is too small. Malcolm ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Man pages take forever on slow machine?
On Tuesday 28 December 2004 09:26 pm, Scott I. Remick wrote: Ok so I got over my hurdle getting FreeBSD 5.3 installed on this old Presario (it ended up being RAM... needed more than 16MB to get through install, borrowed some and then could then back off to default 16MB after 5.3 was on). I thought I was on a roll until I accidentally tried to bring up a man page. It has been on Formatting page, please wait... ever since. I didn't pay attention to when, but I think it was at least an hour ago. Yes, an HOUR. And I still don't have my man page. Yes this isn't the fastest machine (I think it's a Pentium 133MHz, 16MB RAM) Until last summer I was running KDE on a pentium 166 with 98meg memory and it worked pretty well. You probably just need to scrounge up a little more memory. -Mike but really... I ran FreeBSD 2.2.2 as a webserver on a 486 66MHz back in the day. I'd expect this to be slow, but... 1+ hours for a man page? It's worse than that, though. I can't CTRL-C out. I get lots of ^C^C^C^C but it won't stop. I can use ALT-F2 and ALT-F3 to load up additional VTTYs but they are unresponsive... I type and nothing appears. Maybe if I come back a LONG while later I see some of my keystrokes. I was trying to do a good deed by recycling some old hardware my dad had and give him a FreeBSD server to learn with. But this is bizarre. Asking for a man page has brought this system to its knees. C'mon... it ran Windows 95. I think we can do better than this? It's not even going to be GUI. Any advice? Thanks in-advance... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Man pages take forever on slow machine?
Ok so I got over my hurdle getting FreeBSD 5.3 installed on this old Presario (it ended up being RAM... needed more than 16MB to get through install, borrowed some and then could then back off to default 16MB after 5.3 was on). I thought I was on a roll until I accidentally tried to bring up a man page. It has been on Formatting page, please wait... ever since. I didn't pay attention to when, but I think it was at least an hour ago. Yes, an HOUR. And I still don't have my man page. Yes this isn't the fastest machine (I think it's a Pentium 133MHz, 16MB RAM) You will probably be paging to disk during normal operation. but really... I ran FreeBSD 2.2.2 as a webserver on a 486 66MHz back in the day. I'd expect this to be slow, but... 1+ hours for a man page? It's probably a) building the index of man pages and b) formatting the man page you requested. You may see better performance if you install the catpages distribution (pre-formatted man pages) from the ISOs. -- Matt Emmerton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Man pages take forever on slow machine?
On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 09:26:52PM -0800, Scott I. Remick wrote: Ok so I got over my hurdle getting FreeBSD 5.3 installed on this old Presario (it ended up being RAM... needed more than 16MB to get through install, borrowed some and then could then back off to default 16MB after 5.3 was on). I thought I was on a roll until I accidentally tried to bring up a man page. It has been on Formatting page, please wait... ever since. I didn't pay attention to when, but I think it was at least an hour ago. Yes, an HOUR. And I still don't have my man page. Yes this isn't the fastest machine (I think it's a Pentium 133MHz, 16MB RAM) but really... I ran FreeBSD 2.2.2 as a webserver on a 486 66MHz back in the day. I'd expect this to be slow, but... 1+ hours for a man page? It might be swapping itself to death because you're overloading the system. If you install the 'catpages' distribution from sysinstall (preformatted manpages) then you'll probably get past this problem, but you'll quickly find that 16MB RAM is not enough to do many useful things with on 5.x. You'd probably be better off with an older release (4.x, or even 2.x if you don't mind unfixed security vulnerabilities), because they were designed to run on systems with less memory. Kris pgpn05FCBIOCZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Man pages take forever on slow machine?
FreeBSD 4.10 is OK on a 16MB Pentium 133Mhz system, espically if you recompile the kernel to make it smaller. But I wouldn't try 5.3. Better on these older and smaller systems is FreeBSD 3.5.1 you can get it here: ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/3 .5.1/ 3.5.1 also still supports the old CMD 640 ide controller if you have the misfortune to have one of those. Of course, if your going to put a 3.5.1 system on the Internet, it is a requirement you have a full source tree because your going to have to patch the hell out of it, and recompile the kernel and a bunch of daemons. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott I. Remick Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:27 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Man pages take forever on slow machine? Ok so I got over my hurdle getting FreeBSD 5.3 installed on this old Presario (it ended up being RAM... needed more than 16MB to get through install, borrowed some and then could then back off to default 16MB after 5.3 was on). I thought I was on a roll until I accidentally tried to bring up a man page. It has been on Formatting page, please wait... ever since. I didn't pay attention to when, but I think it was at least an hour ago. Yes, an HOUR. And I still don't have my man page. Yes this isn't the fastest machine (I think it's a Pentium 133MHz, 16MB RAM) but really... I ran FreeBSD 2.2.2 as a webserver on a 486 66MHz back in the day. I'd expect this to be slow, but... 1+ hours for a man page? It's worse than that, though. I can't CTRL-C out. I get lots of ^C^C^C^C but it won't stop. I can use ALT-F2 and ALT-F3 to load up additional VTTYs but they are unresponsive... I type and nothing appears. Maybe if I come back a LONG while later I see some of my keystrokes. I was trying to do a good deed by recycling some old hardware my dad had and give him a FreeBSD server to learn with. But this is bizarre. Asking for a man page has brought this system to its knees. C'mon... it ran Windows 95. I think we can do better than this? It's not even going to be GUI. Any advice? Thanks in-advance... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Man pages take forever on slow machine?
I got 5.2.1 running on P133+16MB RAM+2GB HDD Irvin On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:22:33 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FreeBSD 4.10 is OK on a 16MB Pentium 133Mhz system, espically if you recompile the kernel to make it smaller. But I wouldn't try 5.3. Better on these older and smaller systems is FreeBSD 3.5.1 you can get it here: ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/3 .5.1/ 3.5.1 also still supports the old CMD 640 ide controller if you have the misfortune to have one of those. Of course, if your going to put a 3.5.1 system on the Internet, it is a requirement you have a full source tree because your going to have to patch the hell out of it, and recompile the kernel and a bunch of daemons. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott I. Remick Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:27 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Man pages take forever on slow machine? Ok so I got over my hurdle getting FreeBSD 5.3 installed on this old Presario (it ended up being RAM... needed more than 16MB to get through install, borrowed some and then could then back off to default 16MB after 5.3 was on). I thought I was on a roll until I accidentally tried to bring up a man page. It has been on Formatting page, please wait... ever since. I didn't pay attention to when, but I think it was at least an hour ago. Yes, an HOUR. And I still don't have my man page. Yes this isn't the fastest machine (I think it's a Pentium 133MHz, 16MB RAM) but really... I ran FreeBSD 2.2.2 as a webserver on a 486 66MHz back in the day. I'd expect this to be slow, but... 1+ hours for a man page? It's worse than that, though. I can't CTRL-C out. I get lots of ^C^C^C^C but it won't stop. I can use ALT-F2 and ALT-F3 to load up additional VTTYs but they are unresponsive... I type and nothing appears. Maybe if I come back a LONG while later I see some of my keystrokes. I was trying to do a good deed by recycling some old hardware my dad had and give him a FreeBSD server to learn with. But this is bizarre. Asking for a man page has brought this system to its knees. C'mon... it ran Windows 95. I think we can do better than this? It's not even going to be GUI. Any advice? Thanks in-advance... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Man pages take forever on slow machine?
So did the O.P. but he's dissatisfied with the speed. Ted -Original Message- From: Irvin Piraman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:26 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Man pages take forever on slow machine? I got 5.2.1 running on P133+16MB RAM+2GB HDD Irvin On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:22:33 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FreeBSD 4.10 is OK on a 16MB Pentium 133Mhz system, espically if you recompile the kernel to make it smaller. But I wouldn't try 5.3. Better on these older and smaller systems is FreeBSD 3.5.1 you can get it here: ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/i386/IS O-IMAGES/3 .5.1/ 3.5.1 also still supports the old CMD 640 ide controller if you have the misfortune to have one of those. Of course, if your going to put a 3.5.1 system on the Internet, it is a requirement you have a full source tree because your going to have to patch the hell out of it, and recompile the kernel and a bunch of daemons. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott I. Remick Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:27 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Man pages take forever on slow machine? Ok so I got over my hurdle getting FreeBSD 5.3 installed on this old Presario (it ended up being RAM... needed more than 16MB to get through install, borrowed some and then could then back off to default 16MB after 5.3 was on). I thought I was on a roll until I accidentally tried to bring up a man page. It has been on Formatting page, please wait... ever since. I didn't pay attention to when, but I think it was at least an hour ago. Yes, an HOUR. And I still don't have my man page. Yes this isn't the fastest machine (I think it's a Pentium 133MHz, 16MB RAM) but really... I ran FreeBSD 2.2.2 as a webserver on a 486 66MHz back in the day. I'd expect this to be slow, but... 1+ hours for a man page? It's worse than that, though. I can't CTRL-C out. I get lots of ^C^C^C^C but it won't stop. I can use ALT-F2 and ALT-F3 to load up additional VTTYs but they are unresponsive... I type and nothing appears. Maybe if I come back a LONG while later I see some of my keystrokes. I was trying to do a good deed by recycling some old hardware my dad had and give him a FreeBSD server to learn with. But this is bizarre. Asking for a man page has brought this system to its knees. C'mon... it ran Windows 95. I think we can do better than this? It's not even going to be GUI. Any advice? Thanks in-advance... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
