Re: New IDE drive in old PC
On Thursday 29 December 2005 17:57, Chris Whitehouse wrote: I presume you mean GB for size. I just plugged a 250GB drive into a PIII 500 Supermicro board. The bios thinks it is 8GB. I get No Rom Basic if I try to boot. I also tried it as an external USB drive and fdisk'd and bsdlabelled it as 250GB without problem using FBSD6. I think if I could have booted there would have been no problem with the disk on the IDE chain as FBSD sees disks directly not through the BIOS (or so I understand). FWIW my file/print server is old too. CPU is an AMD K6/2-350. It boots from a 20GB drive and then FreeBSD sees the 160GB and 40GB drives. The BIOS sees the 40GB drive as 8GB and doesn't see the 160GB drive at all. I set all but the primary master BIOS drive settings to NONE. I also learned to my cost when experimenting with installing FreeBSD that setting the BIOS to NONE for an HDD which is actually plugged in doesn't stop FreeBSD from seeing it or formatting it when I slected the first drive as the one to slice up ;-) -- Dave ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New IDE drive in old PC
On Wednesday 28 December 2005 07:14, Robert Slade wrote: On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 22:12, Robert Ames wrote: I have an old (very old) ASUS P5 motherboard running FreeBSD 5.4. The boot disk is a 40MB Western Digital WD400 IDE drive jumpered to only use 32MB so it can be booted from since the BIOS in this PC (the latest and greatest) can't deal with anything larger than 32MB. This PC is working well for me and I don't want to upgrade it. However I would like to add a lot of disk space. So my question is, can I go out and buy a new 300 GB (or whatever) IDE disk and attach it to the secondary IDE controller and hope to use all 300 GB? I will still use the old disk for booting and to hold the OS. The new disk will be just for data. If this will just work how do I configure the BIOS so the PC will boot with the large drive installed? Robert, If you had to jumper the boot disk for it to work with the BIOS of the motherboard, then the chances are that you would have to do the same with the 2nd hard drive. ISTR that ASUS produced updated BIOS' for most of their motherboards to get around this. Have a look at their website to see if there is and upgrade. There is also a area on the site for questions such as yours. I would have thought the main issue is support for 48-bit LBA. The limit for 32-bit LBA is 137GB (128 GiB). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New IDE drive in old PC
On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 22:12, Robert Ames wrote: I have an old (very old) ASUS P5 motherboard running FreeBSD 5.4. The boot disk is a 40MB Western Digital WD400 IDE drive jumpered to only use 32MB so it can be booted from since the BIOS in this PC (the latest and greatest) can't deal with anything larger than 32MB. This PC is working well for me and I don't want to upgrade it. However I would like to add a lot of disk space. So my question is, can I go out and buy a new 300 GB (or whatever) IDE disk and attach it to the secondary IDE controller and hope to use all 300 GB? I will still use the old disk for booting and to hold the OS. The new disk will be just for data. If this will just work how do I configure the BIOS so the PC will boot with the large drive installed? I presume you mean GB for size. I just plugged a 250GB drive into a PIII 500 Supermicro board. The bios thinks it is 8GB. I get No Rom Basic if I try to boot. I also tried it as an external USB drive and fdisk'd and bsdlabelled it as 250GB without problem using FBSD6. I think if I could have booted there would have been no problem with the disk on the IDE chain as FBSD sees disks directly not through the BIOS (or so I understand). I can test on a P5AB if you want but it will take a day or two. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New IDE drive in old PC
Chris Whitehouse wrote: On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 22:12, Robert Ames wrote: [ ... ] The new disk will be just for data. If this will just work how do I configure the BIOS so the PC will boot with the large drive installed? I presume you mean GB for size. I just plugged a 250GB drive into a PIII 500 Supermicro board. The bios thinks it is 8GB. I get No Rom Basic if I try to boot. I also tried it as an external USB drive and fdisk'd and bsdlabelled it as 250GB without problem using FBSD6. [ ... ] FreeBSD will use LBA addressing modes, even if your BIOS does not support it. However, to access a drive above 137GB, your hardware needs to support 48-bit LBA. However, you can get a PCI ATA controller to do the job which is cheap and convenient, or simply update your MB to something newer... -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New IDE drive in old PC
On Behalf Of RW Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:18 AM On Wednesday 28 December 2005 07:14, Robert Slade wrote: On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 22:12, Robert Ames wrote: I have an old (very old) ASUS P5 motherboard running FreeBSD 5.4. The boot disk is a 40MB Western Digital WD400 IDE drive jumpered to only use 32MB so it can be booted from since the BIOS in this PC (the latest and greatest) can't deal with anything larger than 32MB. This PC is working well for me and I don't want to upgrade it. However I would like to add a lot of disk space. So my question is, can I go out and buy a new 300 GB (or whatever) IDE disk and attach it to the secondary IDE controller and hope to use all 300 GB? I will still use the old disk for booting and to hold the OS. The new disk will be just for data. If this will just work how do I configure the BIOS so the PC will boot with the large drive installed? Robert, If you had to jumper the boot disk for it to work with the BIOS of the motherboard, then the chances are that you would have to do the same with the 2nd hard drive. ISTR that ASUS produced updated BIOS' for most of their motherboards to get around this. Have a look at their website to see if there is and upgrade. There is also a area on the site for questions such as yours. I would have thought the main issue is support for 48-bit LBA. The limit for 32-bit LBA is 137GB (128 GiB). Since the OP wants more disk space and somehow can't upgrade this old BIOS (the preferred option), separate the issue into two: 1. How to boot 2. How to access the large disk. I haven't tried it, but if you installed the large drive as a second disk, then you could boot off the older (jumpered even) hard drive. Even if the BIOS doesn't see the second hard drive, it probably won't go belly up. I would think FreeBSD would then see the second drive when it booted and handle it correctly (since FreeBSD doesn't use the BIOS for access.) Map the second drive as /data and enjoy. I recommend putting the old drive as primary (master) on the first IDE channel and putting the new drive as slave or as master on the second IDE channel. I don't think trying this risks data on your old drive, but back it up anyway! Good luck, -gayn Bristol Systems Inc. 714/532-6776 www.bristolsystems.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New IDE drive in old PC
On Behalf Of Gayn Winters Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:04 AM On Behalf Of RW Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:18 AM On Wednesday 28 December 2005 07:14, Robert Slade wrote: On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 22:12, Robert Ames wrote: I have an old (very old) ASUS P5 motherboard running FreeBSD 5.4. The boot disk is a 40MB Western Digital WD400 IDE drive jumpered to only use 32MB so it can be booted from since the BIOS in this PC (the latest and greatest) can't deal with anything larger than 32MB. This PC is working well for me and I don't want to upgrade it. However I would like to add a lot of disk space. So my question is, can I go out and buy a new 300 GB (or whatever) IDE disk and attach it to the secondary IDE controller and hope to use all 300 GB? I will still use the old disk for booting and to hold the OS. The new disk will be just for data. If this will just work how do I configure the BIOS so the PC will boot with the large drive installed? Robert, If you had to jumper the boot disk for it to work with the BIOS of the motherboard, then the chances are that you would have to do the same with the 2nd hard drive. ISTR that ASUS produced updated BIOS' for most of their motherboards to get around this. Have a look at their website to see if there is and upgrade. There is also a area on the site for questions such as yours. I would have thought the main issue is support for 48-bit LBA. The limit for 32-bit LBA is 137GB (128 GiB). Since the OP wants more disk space and somehow can't upgrade this old BIOS (the preferred option), separate the issue into two: 1. How to boot 2. How to access the large disk. I haven't tried it, but if you installed the large drive as a second disk, then you could boot off the older (jumpered even) hard drive. Even if the BIOS doesn't see the second hard drive, it probably won't go belly up. I would think FreeBSD would then see the second drive when it booted and handle it correctly (since FreeBSD doesn't use the BIOS for access.) Map the second drive as /data and enjoy. I recommend putting the old drive as primary (master) on the first IDE channel and putting the new drive as slave or as master on the second IDE channel. I don't think trying this risks data on your old drive, but back it up anyway! Chuck Swinger's caveat will apply to the above: FreeBSD will use LBA addressing modes, even if your BIOS does not support it. However, to access a drive above 137GB, your hardware needs to support 48-bit LBA. However, you can get a PCI ATA controller to do the job which is cheap and convenient, or simply update your MB to something newer... -- -Chuck -gayn Bristol Systems Inc. 714/532-6776 www.bristolsystems.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New IDE drive in old PC
On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 22:12, Robert Ames wrote: I have an old (very old) ASUS P5 motherboard running FreeBSD 5.4. The boot disk is a 40MB Western Digital WD400 IDE drive jumpered to only use 32MB so it can be booted from since the BIOS in this PC (the latest and greatest) can't deal with anything larger than 32MB. This PC is working well for me and I don't want to upgrade it. However I would like to add a lot of disk space. So my question is, can I go out and buy a new 300 GB (or whatever) IDE disk and attach it to the secondary IDE controller and hope to use all 300 GB? I will still use the old disk for booting and to hold the OS. The new disk will be just for data. If this will just work how do I configure the BIOS so the PC will boot with the large drive installed? Robert, If you had to jumper the boot disk for it to work with the BIOS of the motherboard, then the chances are that you would have to do the same with the 2nd hard drive. ISTR that ASUS produced updated BIOS' for most of their motherboards to get around this. Have a look at their website to see if there is and upgrade. There is also a area on the site for questions such as yours. Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
