RE: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years.
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Predrag > Punosevac > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 1:09 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years. > > > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Predrag > >> Punosevac > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:25 PM > >> To: David Kelly > >> Cc: Gary Kline; FreeBSD Mailing List > >> Subject: Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years. > >> > >> > >> David Kelly wrote: > >> > >>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 12:02:25AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Nutshell, I'd like anyone's ideas/experiences with some of these > >>>> new HP/<<< or whateverbrand>>> printers. I wouldn't *mind* if I > >>>> could scan in text from a techy paper into HTML or PDF or text. > >>>> But mostly, like 99.44% plain black text. My old deskjet used > >>>> gs as a filter to print PostScript. Do we have any such plugin > >>>> support, or are printers still roll-your-own? [FWIW, I can't > >>>> seem to get CUPS working... altho it maay be my misssing > >>>> /dev/lpt0.] > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> Why don't you check http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting for > >> the most comprehensive information available. > >> > >> Just couple a comments. I would keep native LPD spooling system instead > >> installing CUPS unless you need to use something > >> like HPLIP drivers. > >> > > > > You do not need CUPS for the hplip drivers, you can use lpd if you > > want. > > > > To be perfectly clear on this, all that CUPS is, is 4 things: > > > > Spool manager - LPD does this > > > > Speaks IPP protocol - LPD also does this except it speaks LPR protocol > > > > Easy user interface for the options needed by some of the more complex > > filters. - lpd does NOT do this BUT, you can do it by writing > > your own filter script and coding the options you want into it. > > Note that most options are set once and forget, so CUPS really > > doesen't add much here. CUPS uses Postscript PPD files to automagically > > generate the webpage the user fills out to select these options. > > > > web-interface for job mangement - well who needs this for a > > personal printer attached to a workstation? > > > > The reason CUPS is used so much is that it dummifies the > > chain of hooking together programs into a black box. So, > > people who don't understand what is going on can setup a > > printer by clicking buttons. That is fine if your printer > > model is supported. But if it doesen't work or if the model > > is a new one that the cups people haven't quite yet got around > > to testing with, or nobody has written a .PPD file for it, > > you have to understand what is going on then. > > > > I've posted the following before, but here's the instructions > > I use for setting up my C84 without CUPS, so you can see > > how this kind of thing works. They are just a bit old but > > still work if you change the version #s. The setup uses the IJS output > > from Ghostscript and feeds it into gimpprint. The HPLIP > > scheme works exactly the same way except that instead of > > gimpprint, you use the hpijs driver along with the required > > options: > > > > 1) setup print queue > > > > Add the following to the end of /etc/printcap: > > > > lp-epson|Epson C84 Color printer:\ > > :sh:\ > > > > :lp=/dev/lpt0:sd=/var/spool/output/lp-epson:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:mx=0:\ > > :of=/usr/local/bin/epsonfilter:rw: > > lp-epson-raw|Epson C84 Color Printer - raw for Windows systems:\ > > :sh:\ > > > > :lp=/dev/lpt0:sd=/var/spool/output/lp-epson-raw:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:\ > > :mx#0:rw: > > > > Create the print queues: > > > > cd /var/spool/output > > > > mkdir lp-epson > > mkdir lp-epson-raw > > > > Add in access for the local systems > > > > cat /etc/hosts.lpd > > # $FreeBSD: src/etc/hosts.lpd,v 1.4 1999/08/27 23:23:42 peter Exp $ > > # > > # See lpd(8) > > #machine.domain > > tedwin2k.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > 192.168.1.
Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years.
Predrag Punosevac wrote: Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Predrag Punosevac Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years. Predrag Punosevac wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I need some input about what kind of _new_ printer to buy for my desktops. I'd like to hang the printer off my FBSD box; my Ubuntu platform is probably too far away. At least 3 meters. A few months ago I got a Samsung ML-2571N for well under $100 at Fry's. It is small, light, fast; has a built-in 10/100 network port, handles PostScript, and speaks native lpr What is lpr? Usually printers speak Post Script or PCL printer command language in which case you need a driver. LPD, LPRng, and CUPS are different spooling systems. Did you attach the printer to a computer or is acting as a free standing printer server. There is a lpr driver by Brother for Linux. Brother and Canon have binary blob drivers. Did you use that driver may be? Does anyone know if those binary blobs can be useful for anything on FreeBSD. They appear to be wrappers for standard Ghost Script drivers. They aren't wrappers. The binary drivers generally take the intermediate output from the Ghostscript ijs driver and convert it into whatever the printer understands. If the binary driver is statically built then it likely can be run by the linuxulator under FreeBSD. Most of the time the binary drivers are wrapped in an install script that sets all this up. I will actually try to do that as soon as I get my hands on one of those Brother printers and see if I can get it to work on FreeBSD and OpenBSD. Of course, I will definitely try to set up my wife's Photosmart C5250 with only using LPD:-) Thanks one more time Tad! Predrag Ted, Would you be so kind to comment on something. According to HPLIP web-site in order to unlock the FULL functionality of all-in-one device one has to use CUPS? quote: *Question: How are HPLIP and HPIJS related?* Answer: HPIJS is a subcomponent of HPLIP. HPIJS provides basic printing support for non-postscript printers. HPIJS can operate in any spooler environment (including no spooler). HPIJS provides no I/O. HPLIP provides I/O for bi-directional communication, scanning, photo card access, and toolbox functionality. HPLIP requires the CUPS spooler. end of quote. Call me stupid but I do not understand the above. I have used probably as you and many other people HPIJS with LPD. HPIJS are included in HPLIP so I would guess that I could use even the same printcap file with HPLIP and it should work. If I want to unlock scanning I need the hpaio backhands for SANE and they are included in HPLIP. Now why the hack do we need the CUPS. Is it possible that idiotic HP-toolbox talks only IPP so that one can not actually get the status of the toner, paper, and other "advanced" functions unless use CUPS? I really apologize for bothering you but I really want to understand how HPLIP works. Best, Predrag Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years.
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kline > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:18 AM > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > Subject: Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years. > > > On Wednesday 20 February 2008 21:07:40 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Guys, I need some input about what kind of _new_ printer to buy > > > for my desktops. I'd like to hang the printer off my FBSD box; > > > my Ubuntu platform is probably too far away. At least 3 meters. > > > > A few months ago I got a Samsung ML-2571N for well under $100 at > > Fry's. It is small, light, fast; has a built-in 10/100 network > > port, handles PostScript, and speaks native lpr (so you don't > > need to bother with CUPS). > > > > I am still on the original 1000-page starter cartridge. Replacements > > are rated 3000 sheets; I haven't priced them. > > > > That's black only. The cheapest color-capable networked PostScript > > printer I've found so far is the Xerox 6130N, for which I've been > > quoted $375 including $380 worth of cartridges (C, M, Y, K @ $95 each) > > -- Xerox seems to have some promotional pricing this month. IIRC the > > color cartridges are rated 1900 sheets and the black 2500. This one > > is also supposed to handle lpr natively. While I haven't got one (yet), > > I figure it is almost guaranteed to be good -- Xerox do not make junk. > > > Great; another printer heard about.SO far the Brother at <= > $200 with 7000 > pages at a $30 cartridge sounds better.I've done mostly the > "academic", > plain b&w over the years. Hm, well, then I have had some papers > returned > with feedback marked in blue in OOo. > > There is a fancy Brother color printer [on sale] at Costco for > like $700. (!) > After my heart was shocked back to life, I double-checked. I > can't imagine > what it does for 700 clams, but don't have room for it here anyway. > > Can you use any paper with the laser printers, or does it have to meet a > certain spec? Yes it has to meet a certain spec However, that spec is so widely known and has been so widely known for something like the last 15 years that any paper you buy today will meet it.You literally now would have to special-order copy paper that -wouldn't- meet spec in a laser printer. You probably wouldn't do well with something like newsprint in a laser printer, for example. Also, these days you can get transparencies that won't melt in a laser printer. Of course, it's a little too late for that as overhead projectors have mostly vanished. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years.
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Predrag Punosevac Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years. Predrag Punosevac wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I need some input about what kind of _new_ printer to buy for my desktops. I'd like to hang the printer off my FBSD box; my Ubuntu platform is probably too far away. At least 3 meters. A few months ago I got a Samsung ML-2571N for well under $100 at Fry's. It is small, light, fast; has a built-in 10/100 network port, handles PostScript, and speaks native lpr What is lpr? Usually printers speak Post Script or PCL printer command language in which case you need a driver. LPD, LPRng, and CUPS are different spooling systems. Did you attach the printer to a computer or is acting as a free standing printer server. There is a lpr driver by Brother for Linux. Brother and Canon have binary blob drivers. Did you use that driver may be? Does anyone know if those binary blobs can be useful for anything on FreeBSD. They appear to be wrappers for standard Ghost Script drivers. They aren't wrappers. The binary drivers generally take the intermediate output from the Ghostscript ijs driver and convert it into whatever the printer understands. If the binary driver is statically built then it likely can be run by the linuxulator under FreeBSD. Most of the time the binary drivers are wrapped in an install script that sets all this up. I will actually try to do that as soon as I get my hands on one of those Brother printers and see if I can get it to work on FreeBSD and OpenBSD. Of course, I will definitely try to set up my wife's Photosmart C5250 with only using LPD:-) Thanks one more time Tad! Predrag Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years.
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Predrag Punosevac Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:25 PM To: David Kelly Cc: Gary Kline; FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years. David Kelly wrote: On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 12:02:25AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: Nutshell, I'd like anyone's ideas/experiences with some of these new HP/<<< or whateverbrand>>> printers. I wouldn't *mind* if I could scan in text from a techy paper into HTML or PDF or text. But mostly, like 99.44% plain black text. My old deskjet used gs as a filter to print PostScript. Do we have any such plugin support, or are printers still roll-your-own? [FWIW, I can't seem to get CUPS working... altho it maay be my misssing /dev/lpt0.] Why don't you check http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting for the most comprehensive information available. Just couple a comments. I would keep native LPD spooling system instead installing CUPS unless you need to use something like HPLIP drivers. You do not need CUPS for the hplip drivers, you can use lpd if you want. To be perfectly clear on this, all that CUPS is, is 4 things: Spool manager - LPD does this Speaks IPP protocol - LPD also does this except it speaks LPR protocol Easy user interface for the options needed by some of the more complex filters. - lpd does NOT do this BUT, you can do it by writing your own filter script and coding the options you want into it. Note that most options are set once and forget, so CUPS really doesen't add much here. CUPS uses Postscript PPD files to automagically generate the webpage the user fills out to select these options. web-interface for job mangement - well who needs this for a personal printer attached to a workstation? The reason CUPS is used so much is that it dummifies the chain of hooking together programs into a black box. So, people who don't understand what is going on can setup a printer by clicking buttons. That is fine if your printer model is supported. But if it doesen't work or if the model is a new one that the cups people haven't quite yet got around to testing with, or nobody has written a .PPD file for it, you have to understand what is going on then. I've posted the following before, but here's the instructions I use for setting up my C84 without CUPS, so you can see how this kind of thing works. They are just a bit old but still work if you change the version #s. The setup uses the IJS output from Ghostscript and feeds it into gimpprint. The HPLIP scheme works exactly the same way except that instead of gimpprint, you use the hpijs driver along with the required options: 1) setup print queue Add the following to the end of /etc/printcap: lp-epson|Epson C84 Color printer:\ :sh:\ :lp=/dev/lpt0:sd=/var/spool/output/lp-epson:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:mx=0:\ :of=/usr/local/bin/epsonfilter:rw: lp-epson-raw|Epson C84 Color Printer - raw for Windows systems:\ :sh:\ :lp=/dev/lpt0:sd=/var/spool/output/lp-epson-raw:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:\ :mx#0:rw: Create the print queues: cd /var/spool/output mkdir lp-epson mkdir lp-epson-raw Add in access for the local systems cat /etc/hosts.lpd # $FreeBSD: src/etc/hosts.lpd,v 1.4 1999/08/27 23:23:42 peter Exp $ # # See lpd(8) #machine.domain tedwin2k.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com 192.168.1.60 tedsdesk.ipinc.net ip-port-rtr1.ipinc.net sunrise.ipinc.net nat-rtr# Run some test prints through the queues: cd /etc ls -l | lpr -P lp-text Send a test print page from the Windows 2K workstation via lpr to the print queue on the BSD box (do a chmod 664 on the lock file in the lp-epson-raw queue, since network LPR doesen't set the mask up properly per submitted bug) 2) Install the tools to image a printjob for the Epson, as follows: cd /usr/ports/print/gimp-print make WITHOUT_CUPS=yes cd work/gimp-print-4.2.7/src/escputil ./escputil -i -u -r /dev/lpt0 (checks ink levels) ./escputil -n -u -r /dev/lpt0 (prints nozzle alignment) (try some other commands to see if the level of support is better) cd ../../../../ make WITHOUT_CUPS=yes install cd ../ghostscript-gnu make install Deselect all the printers, leave in stp and ijs driver, as well as all the X-windows drivers and the jpg and other image drivers. test the ghostscript install: cd /root man -t which > which.ps gs -dBATCH -sDEVICE=jpeg -sOutputFile=test.jpg which.ps open test.jpg in a browser and see if the page is there Now test gimpprint and ghostscript: first manually with the command, gs -sDEVICE=ijs -sIjsServer=/usr/local/bin/ijsgimpprint -sDeviceManufacturer =EPSON -sDeviceModel=escp2-c84 -sIjsParams=Quality=720x360sw,InkType=CMYK ,MediaType=Plain -dIjsUseOutputFD -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sOutputFile=test.out /usr/local/share/
RE: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years.
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Predrag > Punosevac > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:36 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years. > > > Predrag Punosevac wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> Guys, I need some input about what kind of _new_ printer to buy > >>> for my desktops. I'd like to hang the printer off my FBSD box; > >>> my Ubuntu platform is probably too far away. At least 3 meters. > >>> > >> > >> A few months ago I got a Samsung ML-2571N for well under $100 at > >> Fry's. It is small, light, fast; has a built-in 10/100 network > >> port, handles PostScript, and speaks native lpr > > What is lpr? Usually printers speak Post Script or PCL printer command > > language in which case you need a driver. > > LPD, LPRng, and CUPS are different spooling systems. > > Did you attach the printer to a computer or is acting as a free > > standing printer server. > > > There is a lpr driver by Brother for Linux. Brother and Canon have > binary blob drivers. Did you use that driver may be? > Does anyone know if those binary blobs can be useful for anything on > FreeBSD. They appear to be wrappers for standard > Ghost Script drivers. They aren't wrappers. The binary drivers generally take the intermediate output from the Ghostscript ijs driver and convert it into whatever the printer understands. If the binary driver is statically built then it likely can be run by the linuxulator under FreeBSD. Most of the time the binary drivers are wrapped in an install script that sets all this up. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years.
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Predrag > Punosevac > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:25 PM > To: David Kelly > Cc: Gary Kline; FreeBSD Mailing List > Subject: Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years. > > > David Kelly wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 12:02:25AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > >>Nutshell, I'd like anyone's ideas/experiences with some of these > >>new HP/<<< or whateverbrand>>> printers. I wouldn't *mind* if I > >>could scan in text from a techy paper into HTML or PDF or text. > >>But mostly, like 99.44% plain black text. My old deskjet used > >>gs as a filter to print PostScript. Do we have any such plugin > >>support, or are printers still roll-your-own? [FWIW, I can't > >>seem to get CUPS working... altho it maay be my misssing > >>/dev/lpt0.] > >> > > > > > Why don't you check http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting for > the most comprehensive information available. > > Just couple a comments. I would keep native LPD spooling system instead > installing CUPS unless you need to use something > like HPLIP drivers. You do not need CUPS for the hplip drivers, you can use lpd if you want. To be perfectly clear on this, all that CUPS is, is 4 things: Spool manager - LPD does this Speaks IPP protocol - LPD also does this except it speaks LPR protocol Easy user interface for the options needed by some of the more complex filters. - lpd does NOT do this BUT, you can do it by writing your own filter script and coding the options you want into it. Note that most options are set once and forget, so CUPS really doesen't add much here. CUPS uses Postscript PPD files to automagically generate the webpage the user fills out to select these options. web-interface for job mangement - well who needs this for a personal printer attached to a workstation? The reason CUPS is used so much is that it dummifies the chain of hooking together programs into a black box. So, people who don't understand what is going on can setup a printer by clicking buttons. That is fine if your printer model is supported. But if it doesen't work or if the model is a new one that the cups people haven't quite yet got around to testing with, or nobody has written a .PPD file for it, you have to understand what is going on then. I've posted the following before, but here's the instructions I use for setting up my C84 without CUPS, so you can see how this kind of thing works. They are just a bit old but still work if you change the version #s. The setup uses the IJS output from Ghostscript and feeds it into gimpprint. The HPLIP scheme works exactly the same way except that instead of gimpprint, you use the hpijs driver along with the required options: 1) setup print queue Add the following to the end of /etc/printcap: lp-epson|Epson C84 Color printer:\ :sh:\ :lp=/dev/lpt0:sd=/var/spool/output/lp-epson:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:mx=0:\ :of=/usr/local/bin/epsonfilter:rw: lp-epson-raw|Epson C84 Color Printer - raw for Windows systems:\ :sh:\ :lp=/dev/lpt0:sd=/var/spool/output/lp-epson-raw:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:\ :mx#0:rw: Create the print queues: cd /var/spool/output mkdir lp-epson mkdir lp-epson-raw Add in access for the local systems cat /etc/hosts.lpd # $FreeBSD: src/etc/hosts.lpd,v 1.4 1999/08/27 23:23:42 peter Exp $ # # See lpd(8) #machine.domain tedwin2k.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com 192.168.1.60 tedsdesk.ipinc.net ip-port-rtr1.ipinc.net sunrise.ipinc.net nat-rtr# Run some test prints through the queues: cd /etc ls -l | lpr -P lp-text Send a test print page from the Windows 2K workstation via lpr to the print queue on the BSD box (do a chmod 664 on the lock file in the lp-epson-raw queue, since network LPR doesen't set the mask up properly per submitted bug) 2) Install the tools to image a printjob for the Epson, as follows: cd /usr/ports/print/gimp-print make WITHOUT_CUPS=yes cd work/gimp-print-4.2.7/src/escputil ./escputil -i -u -r /dev/lpt0 (checks ink levels) ./escputil -n -u -r /dev/lpt0 (prints nozzle alignment) (try some other commands to see if the level of support is better) cd ../../../../ make WITHOUT_CUPS=yes install cd ../ghostscript-gnu make install Deselect all the printers, leave in stp and ijs driver, as well as all the X-windows drivers and the jpg and other image drivers. test the ghostscript install: cd /root man -t which > which.ps gs -dBATCH -sDEVICE=jpeg -sOutputFile=test.jpg which.ps open test.jpg in a browser and see if the page is there Now test gimpprint and ghostscript: first manually with the command, gs -sDEVICE=ijs -sIjsServer=/usr/local/bin/ijsgimpprint -sDeviceManufacturer =EPSON -sDeviceModel=esc
RE: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years.
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kline > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:02 AM > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > Subject: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years. > > > Guys, I need some input about what kind of _new_ printer to buy > for my desktops. I'd like to hang the printer off my FBSD box; > my Ubuntu platform is probably too far away. At least 3 meters. > > Circa '01 or '02 I figured my olden DJ500 had cost ~$45/year. > Not counting the ink. It kept chugging around until a month or > so ago and by now it really is worm out. It makes it's old, > clunking, grinding sounds when I power dowwn, but nothing when I > boot up. And a friend stopped by this afternoon and checked. > Cabling is fine; printer has power. None of the buttons respond; > no reset, no formfeed, nada. Only two of the usual three LED's > are lit, so it's probably broken, burn-out, or worn out wires > somewhere. > > The problem with buying New---and my wife is threatening me > if I buy some older, junker printer---the problem is getting any > of these printers that do everything but shine your shoes is: > are there drivers to make them work with FreeBSD? I don't care > about fax, or features like scanning and copying. About the same > with color since most files are code or essays. > Yes, there are for most printers, but it takes some juggling for some. Start at http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting and look up the printer in the database. It will tell you a tremendous amount as to whether the printer will work. Naturally, if your budget can afford it, a PostScript printer is the way to go. The one thing I would caution is that anything that uses the PC to rasterize the page requires a lot of CPU power. For example I have an Epson Stylus C84 (I bought it mainly because it uses separate ink cartridges for all the colors so when the printer runs out of ink in one color, your not throwing away perfectly good ink in the remaining chambers) This printer uses a complex series of filters, gimpprint, ghostscript and so on to take the PostScript page and convert it into whatever nasty proprietary junk the printer speaks. It worked perfectly once I figured everything out. The problem is that when I first set it up I used a 300Mhz Pentium II and it took at least 3-4 minutes to digest a complex page and send it to the printer. > Nutshell, I'd like anyone's ideas/experiences with some of these > new HP/<<< or whateverbrand>>> printers. I wouldn't *mind* if I > could scan in text from a techy paper into HTML or PDF or text. > But mostly, like 99.44% plain black text. My old deskjet used > gs as a filter to print PostScript. Do we have any such plugin > support, or are printers still roll-your-own? Here's an interesting story. On my desk at work I have a Mac running MacOS 10.4 We have an HP 3550 color laserjet that does not have postscript. When I setup the Mac I downloaded the driver from HP and it did not work - the printer merely printed out raw postscript code - obviously the driver was for the postscript version of this printer. Well, Macs run cups and it took me a couple hours of downloading some code packages and compiling them on the Mac and doing various things but I did eventually end up with a similar thing on the Mac - the print jobs are passed to ghostscript on the mac then to a special driver someone wrote that converts the gs output to something the printer can understand. The thing that really irked me about the whole thing was that in all of the documentation from both HP and Apple, the HP 3550 is listed as a supported printer, and no mention of a need for a postscript chip is made anywhere. We aren't the only ones screwed over by the printer manufacturers. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years.
On Feb 21, 2008, at 1:17 PM, Gary Kline wrote: Great; another printer heard about.SO far the Brother at <= $200 with 7000 pages at a $30 cartridge sounds better.I've done mostly the "academic", plain b&w over the years. Hm, well, then I have had some papers returned with feedback marked in blue in OOo. The Genuine Brother TN-580 cartridge is about $75. A quick search finds "remanufactured" cartridges for $22, or do-it-yourself reload kits for under $20. I had to buy my first replacement as reloads were not yet available. I got just under 2,000 sheets on the 3,500 rated sheet TN-550 cartridge which came with the printer. Just over 4,000 on the 7,000 rated TN-580. Then nearly 7,000 using a $20 reload kit. Printing essentially the same thing, a membership flyer packed full of text on one side and a JPEG on the other. The $20 Meritline.com reload kit I used smells a lot different than the original Brother toner. Amazon.com seems to have the best reputable prices on the HL-5250DN at the moment. $190 new, or $155 refurbished, free shipping. There is a fancy Brother color printer [on sale] at Costco for like $700. (!) After my heart was shocked back to life, I double-checked. I can't imagine what it does for 700 clams, but don't have room for it here anyway. If you need it, then you need it. But watch for operational costs. Can you use any paper with the laser printers, or does it have to meet a certain spec? I heard a severe warning about using junk paper. Can use as nice of a paper as you want. Paper prices are rising. I have been buying $3.50 paper from Staples but this last time simply bought an entire case for whatever they demanded. Something between 20 and 24 pound is best. 20 is great for printing manuals, 24 is better if you are mailing a flyer that is folded and taped without an envelope. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years.
Gary Kline wrote: Guys, I need some input about what kind of _new_ printer to buy for my desktops. I'd like to hang the printer off my FBSD box; my Ubuntu platform is probably too far away. At least 3 meters. We have a HP3005n, HP2605dn, Xerox Phasermfp8650 all network printers that I print to with CUPS from freebsd flawlessly. -- Philip M. Gollucci ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) o:703.549.2050x206 Senior System Admin - Riderway, Inc. http://riderway.com / http://ridecharge.com 1024D/EC88A0BF 0DE5 C55C 6BF3 B235 2DAB B89E 1324 9B4F EC88 A0BF Work like you don't need the money, love like you'll never get hurt, and dance like nobody's watching. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years.
On Wednesday 20 February 2008 21:07:40 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Guys, I need some input about what kind of _new_ printer to buy > > for my desktops. I'd like to hang the printer off my FBSD box; > > my Ubuntu platform is probably too far away. At least 3 meters. > > A few months ago I got a Samsung ML-2571N for well under $100 at > Fry's. It is small, light, fast; has a built-in 10/100 network > port, handles PostScript, and speaks native lpr (so you don't > need to bother with CUPS). > > I am still on the original 1000-page starter cartridge. Replacements > are rated 3000 sheets; I haven't priced them. > > That's black only. The cheapest color-capable networked PostScript > printer I've found so far is the Xerox 6130N, for which I've been > quoted $375 including $380 worth of cartridges (C, M, Y, K @ $95 each) > -- Xerox seems to have some promotional pricing this month. IIRC the > color cartridges are rated 1900 sheets and the black 2500. This one > is also supposed to handle lpr natively. While I haven't got one (yet), > I figure it is almost guaranteed to be good -- Xerox do not make junk. Great; another printer heard about.SO far the Brother at <= $200 with 7000 pages at a $30 cartridge sounds better.I've done mostly the "academic", plain b&w over the years. Hm, well, then I have had some papers returned with feedback marked in blue in OOo. There is a fancy Brother color printer [on sale] at Costco for like $700. (!) After my heart was shocked back to life, I double-checked. I can't imagine what it does for 700 clams, but don't have room for it here anyway. Can you use any paper with the laser printers, or does it have to meet a certain spec? I heard a severe warning about using junk paper. Okay, so far, you guys have talked about the Brother and the Samsung. [[ By default Xerox is a ++quality brand. ]]I'm looking at the OpenPrinting site that Predrag mentioned.Anybody else?? As much of a computer geek as I've been, I *still* can't stand too much reading online. That's why I'll quit tearing my hair left out, get a hardcopy and go to some far corner and just enjoy ink+paper :-) gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years.
> >>> Guys, I need some input about what kind of _new_ printer to buy > >>> for my desktops. I'd like to hang the printer off my FBSD box; > >>> my Ubuntu platform is probably too far away. At least 3 meters. > >> > >> A few months ago I got a Samsung ML-2571N for well under $100 at > >> Fry's. It is small, light, fast; has a built-in 10/100 network > >> port, handles PostScript, and speaks native lpr > > > > What is lpr? see "man lpr" and its "see also" entries. > > Usually printers speak Post Script or PCL printer command > > language As I said, this one speaks PostScript. > > in which case you need a driver. Not in this case :) > > LPD, LPRng, and CUPS are different spooling systems. > > Did you attach the printer to a computer or is acting as a free > > standing printer server. It is freestanding. > There is a lpr driver by Brother for Linux. Brother and Canon have > binary blob drivers. Did you use that driver may be? I didn't install any drivers, just added it to printcap and hosts: lp|Samsung ML-2571N PostScript network printer:\ :sh:\ :rm=ml2571n:sd=/var/spool/output/ml2571n:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs: 192.168.200.201 ml2571n and it Just Works (TM). I suppose apps like OpenOffice might need to be told it is a PostScript printer. If I needed to do that, and didn't have anything more specific handy, I would just configure it as a LaserWriter NTX. I have yet to find a monochrome PostScript printer for which that does not work well enough. > Does anyone know if those binary blobs can be useful for anything > on FreeBSD. They appear to be wrappers for standard Ghost Script > drivers. I noticed also that some drivers for older Brother > printers are removed from Ghost Script 7.0 and 8.0. AFAIK GS is only needed if you want to print PostScript files on a printer that does not contain a PostScript interpreter. It's not needed when dealing with a PostScript printer. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years.
Predrag Punosevac wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I need some input about what kind of _new_ printer to buy for my desktops. I'd like to hang the printer off my FBSD box; my Ubuntu platform is probably too far away. At least 3 meters. A few months ago I got a Samsung ML-2571N for well under $100 at Fry's. It is small, light, fast; has a built-in 10/100 network port, handles PostScript, and speaks native lpr What is lpr? Usually printers speak Post Script or PCL printer command language in which case you need a driver. LPD, LPRng, and CUPS are different spooling systems. Did you attach the printer to a computer or is acting as a free standing printer server. There is a lpr driver by Brother for Linux. Brother and Canon have binary blob drivers. Did you use that driver may be? Does anyone know if those binary blobs can be useful for anything on FreeBSD. They appear to be wrappers for standard Ghost Script drivers. I noticed also that some drivers for older Brother printers are removed from Ghost Script 7.0 and 8.0. It appears that they are useful for some of the newest and very solid monochromatic laser Brother printers which go for less than $50 on the NewEgg. Maybe the port maintainer should edit make file so that they compile. Cheers, Predrag The driver for that particular printer is just a "generic postscript" driver included in the ghostscript. However the recommended post script description file is *ML-2570ps-ppd *which is included on the CD that comes with the printer. According to Linux Printing the printer is NOT included in the foomatic-db. According to same source OpenOffice which I do not use has a problem with ML-2570ps-ppd. It looks to me as an excellent choice. I liked the fact that the printer can get IP address as DHCP or via web-interface. That means that it can act as a free standing printer server. Printer server alone cost $100-150. Thank you so much for the info as the price is really great. Best, Predrag (so you don't need to bother with CUPS). I am still on the original 1000-page starter cartridge. Replacements are rated 3000 sheets; I haven't priced them. That's black only. The cheapest color-capable networked PostScript printer I've found so far is the Xerox 6130N, for which I've been quoted $375 including $380 worth of cartridges (C, M, Y, K @ $95 each) -- Xerox seems to have some promotional pricing this month. IIRC the color cartridges are rated 1900 sheets and the black 2500. This one is also supposed to handle lpr natively. While I haven't got one (yet), I figure it is almost guaranteed to be good -- Xerox do not make junk. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I need some input about what kind of _new_ printer to buy for my desktops. I'd like to hang the printer off my FBSD box; my Ubuntu platform is probably too far away. At least 3 meters. A few months ago I got a Samsung ML-2571N for well under $100 at Fry's. It is small, light, fast; has a built-in 10/100 network port, handles PostScript, and speaks native lpr What is lpr? Usually printers speak Post Script or PCL printer command language in which case you need a driver. LPD, LPRng, and CUPS are different spooling systems. Did you attach the printer to a computer or is acting as a free standing printer server. The driver for that particular printer is just a "generic postscript" driver included in the ghostscript. However the recommended post script description file is *ML-2570ps-ppd *which is included on the CD that comes with the printer. According to Linux Printing the printer is NOT included in the foomatic-db. According to same source OpenOffice which I do not use has a problem with ML-2570ps-ppd. It looks to me as an excellent choice. I liked the fact that the printer can get IP address as DHCP or via web-interface. That means that it can act as a free standing printer server. Printer server alone cost $100-150. Thank you so much for the info as the price is really great. Best, Predrag (so you don't need to bother with CUPS). I am still on the original 1000-page starter cartridge. Replacements are rated 3000 sheets; I haven't priced them. That's black only. The cheapest color-capable networked PostScript printer I've found so far is the Xerox 6130N, for which I've been quoted $375 including $380 worth of cartridges (C, M, Y, K @ $95 each) -- Xerox seems to have some promotional pricing this month. IIRC the color cartridges are rated 1900 sheets and the black 2500. This one is also supposed to handle lpr natively. While I haven't got one (yet), I figure it is almost guaranteed to be good -- Xerox do not make junk. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years.
> Guys, I need some input about what kind of _new_ printer to buy > for my desktops. I'd like to hang the printer off my FBSD box; > my Ubuntu platform is probably too far away. At least 3 meters. A few months ago I got a Samsung ML-2571N for well under $100 at Fry's. It is small, light, fast; has a built-in 10/100 network port, handles PostScript, and speaks native lpr (so you don't need to bother with CUPS). I am still on the original 1000-page starter cartridge. Replacements are rated 3000 sheets; I haven't priced them. That's black only. The cheapest color-capable networked PostScript printer I've found so far is the Xerox 6130N, for which I've been quoted $375 including $380 worth of cartridges (C, M, Y, K @ $95 each) -- Xerox seems to have some promotional pricing this month. IIRC the color cartridges are rated 1900 sheets and the black 2500. This one is also supposed to handle lpr natively. While I haven't got one (yet), I figure it is almost guaranteed to be good -- Xerox do not make junk. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years.
David Kelly wrote: On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 12:02:25AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: Nutshell, I'd like anyone's ideas/experiences with some of these new HP/<<< or whateverbrand>>> printers. I wouldn't *mind* if I could scan in text from a techy paper into HTML or PDF or text. But mostly, like 99.44% plain black text. My old deskjet used gs as a filter to print PostScript. Do we have any such plugin support, or are printers still roll-your-own? [FWIW, I can't seem to get CUPS working... altho it maay be my misssing /dev/lpt0.] Why don't you check http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting for the most comprehensive information available. Just couple a comments. I would keep native LPD spooling system instead installing CUPS unless you need to use something like HPLIP drivers. To stay on the same note, you should ask yourself firstly what is printer for. If you are doing intensive black and white document printing like in an academic environment Laser Printers will give you the greatest millage and cost per copy ratio. In that case you should definitely try to buy a printer that speaks Post Script language and avoid any drivers. The mentioned Brother HL series is wonderful. I have just good words for Lexmark Optra series. HP Laser jet above the 1300 do speak full Post Script. Always a good decision. Be careful with HP 1000-1200 they might be problematic as they do not even speak PCL. See above link for the full explanation. If you are using printing at home and need occasional color printing I would suggest you go with the HP deskjet/officejest or even better with all-in-one device. HPLIP http://hplip.sourceforge.net/ will unlock full functionality of all-in-one devices including scanning via hpaio scanner drivers included in HPLIP. There are couple Epson all-in-one devices that are fully supported with Gutenprint for the printer driver and sane-backhands for the printing. Something like CX-3800 or similar. Check the SANE web-site for full list. Note that SANE has released new backhands two weeks ago and I am not sure if the FreeBSD port has been updated to 1.19 version. If you decide that you do NOT need scanner stick with the printer that speak full PCL and which are listed in the foomatic-db or/and ghostscript. Personally, I have HP laser jet 4L. Speaks PCL and listed in foomatic-db. I have Office Jet R60 all-in-one speaks PCL and listed in foomatic -db. In order to unlock scanning it has to be attached separately to network as HPLIP doesn't support parallel port devices despite their claims that they do. It does but over the network. Photosmart C5250 all-in-one. This is my wife printer for her photos but is also a scanner and copier. Full functionality unlocked with HPLIP drivers. I hope that this helps Predrag P. S. You may also check the following couple articles. How to edit printcap file and use foomatic filter http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2004/07/08/FreeBSD_Basics.html?page=1 How to use apsfilter http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/11/06/Big_Scary_Daemons.html How to use ghostscript as a input filter and lots of other goodies by our own Ted http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/corp-net-guide/index.html How to set up HPLIP on FreeBSD http://dsteinbrook.googlepages.com/hpliponfreebsd Note that the Handbook is more than enough to set up Post Script printer. You may also want to read man pages for printcap. Nice info. If you I have been pleased with my purchase of a Brother HL-5250DN several years ago. Was $250 at the time, usually can be found on sale now for under $200. Refurbished HL-5240's under $100. This is a 30 ppm (rated) laser with ethernet, USB, HPL-6 and Brother's Postscript-3 clone. Also prints duplex. 3rd party toner refills are $20 for roughly 7,000 pages. Drum is rated at 25,000 pages. If it doesn't last that long a new or refurbished printer is cheaper than a replacement drum. Have fond memories of old HP-4000N, HP-4050N, and HP-5000N printers but nothing used was available as inexpensive as the Brother was. The Brother is better suited for my uses as its very quick to warm up from sleep, maybe as fast as my DJ-990. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years.
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 12:02:25AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > Nutshell, I'd like anyone's ideas/experiences with some of these > new HP/<<< or whateverbrand>>> printers. I wouldn't *mind* if I > could scan in text from a techy paper into HTML or PDF or text. > But mostly, like 99.44% plain black text. My old deskjet used > gs as a filter to print PostScript. Do we have any such plugin > support, or are printers still roll-your-own? [FWIW, I can't > seem to get CUPS working... altho it maay be my misssing > /dev/lpt0.] I have been pleased with my purchase of a Brother HL-5250DN several years ago. Was $250 at the time, usually can be found on sale now for under $200. Refurbished HL-5240's under $100. This is a 30 ppm (rated) laser with ethernet, USB, HPL-6 and Brother's Postscript-3 clone. Also prints duplex. 3rd party toner refills are $20 for roughly 7,000 pages. Drum is rated at 25,000 pages. If it doesn't last that long a new or refurbished printer is cheaper than a replacement drum. Have fond memories of old HP-4000N, HP-4050N, and HP-5000N printers but nothing used was available as inexpensive as the Brother was. The Brother is better suited for my uses as its very quick to warm up from sleep, maybe as fast as my DJ-990. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: DJ500 dead after >= 16 years.
Gary Kline wrote: Nutshell, I'd like anyone's ideas/experiences with some of these new HP/<<< or whateverbrand>>> printers. I wouldn't *mind* if I could scan in text from a techy paper into HTML or PDF or text. But mostly, like 99.44% plain black text. My old deskjet used gs as a filter to print PostScript. Do we have any such plugin support, or are printers still roll-your-own? [FWIW, I can't seem to get CUPS working... altho it maay be my misssing /dev/lpt0.] I suggest getting a network printer. Most of them support the IPP printing protocol, and if it eats PostScript then it's pretty much guaranteed to work on every operating system under the sun. Saves you from fiddling with drivers for FreeBSD and setting up CUPS. Erik ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
