RE: FreeBSD 6.0 GENERIC Kernel perfomance
Dmytro, Instructions for updating the ports tree are in the handbook on freebsd.org Please understand that the ports directory tree distributed with the RELEASE cd's is always out of date. I never install it when I install a RELEASE. I always use cvsup to download the current ports tree after installation. I just setup a P4 3.2Ghz system with a gig of ram and mirrored SATA drives, and I ran the mysql benchmarks on it, and they are quite a bit faster than any other systems I have. Please post mysql benchmarks on your system, or post any other benchmarks that you think are indicative of kernel slowness? I will run the same and we can compare to see if there's a difference. Ted >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dmytro >Surovtsev >Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:31 AM >To: Kris Kennaway; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6.0 GENERIC Kernel perfomance > > >Kris, > >thanks for reply. I did not provide any special tests for >performance, I >catch it just working on my workstation - P-4, 3 GHz, 512 MB. >Long time ago (several monthes) I've used Gentoo Linux, but siwtched to >FreeBSD because of better performance especially when I work in X. >About the port set: what do you mean under "> upgrading your ports >properly"? I've downloaded the ports.tar.gz (about 30M) and untarred it >to /usr/ports. what else? > >Dmytro > >Kris Kennaway wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 05:32:12PM +, Dmytro Surovtsev wrote: >> >>>Hello, >>> >>>Maybe it's my own opinion but I've discovered that 6.0 kernel is much >>>slower than 5.4, I mean GENERIC in both cases. >> >> >> It's only your own opinion until you share with us the measurements >> that led you to conclude this. FreeBSD 6.0 is much faster than >> FreeBSD 5.4 in my measurements, especially in the area of filesystem >> performance. >> >> >>>And, as well, 6.0 works >>>right with the set of ports come with it in distribution inly. Nearly >>>any new port can not assemble with differnent errors, mostly >like: "The >>>version of library XXX is installed, it's conflict with >XXX-1, please do >>>pkg_delete, and pkg_add then". But after than nearly nothing works. >> >> >> This is not a FreeBSD 6.0 problem, it indicates that you aren't >> upgrading your ports properly. >> >> Look into the portupgrade tool, and if you have specific problems with >> using it, then post specific questions. >> >> Kris >___ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/181 - Release Date: >11/24/2005 > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD 6.0 GENERIC Kernel perfomance
On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 04:23:34PM -0500, Russell Meek wrote: > Dmytro Surovtsev wrote: > > >Kris, > > > >thanks for reply. I did not provide any special tests for performance, > >I catch it just working on my workstation - P-4, 3 GHz, 512 MB. > >Long time ago (several monthes) I've used Gentoo Linux, but siwtched > >to FreeBSD because of better performance especially when I work in X. > >About the port set: what do you mean under "> upgrading your ports > >properly"? I've downloaded the ports.tar.gz (about 30M) and untarred > >it to /usr/ports. what else? > > > >Dmytro > > > >Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > >>On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 05:32:12PM +, Dmytro Surovtsev wrote: > >> > >>>Hello, > >>> > >>>Maybe it's my own opinion but I've discovered that 6.0 kernel is > >>>much slower than 5.4, I mean GENERIC in both cases. > >> > >> > >> > >>It's only your own opinion until you share with us the measurements > >>that led you to conclude this. FreeBSD 6.0 is much faster than > >>FreeBSD 5.4 in my measurements, especially in the area of filesystem > >>performance. > >> > >> > >>>And, as well, 6.0 works right with the set of ports come with it in > >>>distribution inly. Nearly any new port can not assemble with > >>>differnent errors, mostly like: "The version of library XXX is > >>>installed, it's conflict with XXX-1, please do pkg_delete, and > >>>pkg_add then". But after than nearly nothing works. > >> > >> > >> > >>This is not a FreeBSD 6.0 problem, it indicates that you aren't > >>upgrading your ports properly. > >> > >>Look into the portupgrade tool, and if you have specific problems with > >>using it, then post specific questions. > >> > >>Kris > > > >___ > >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > Dmytro, > > Sorry the debug -g option did not help. > > I have only noticed increased speed with 6 vs 5.4, but then again I am > not using X, I use FreeBSD only for servers. > > I noticed a slight lag at first and was not using the SCHED_ULE > scheduler, but the 4BSD. > > Removing debug -g and recompiling my kernel pretty much solved that. Again, -g does not have any runtime performance effect. The symbols it adds are stripped out when the kernel is loaded. Kris pgpnDS3ei7SRi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD 6.0 GENERIC Kernel perfomance
Dmytro Surovtsev wrote: Kris, thanks for reply. I did not provide any special tests for performance, I catch it just working on my workstation - P-4, 3 GHz, 512 MB. Long time ago (several monthes) I've used Gentoo Linux, but siwtched to FreeBSD because of better performance especially when I work in X. About the port set: what do you mean under "> upgrading your ports properly"? I've downloaded the ports.tar.gz (about 30M) and untarred it to /usr/ports. what else? Dmytro Kris Kennaway wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 05:32:12PM +, Dmytro Surovtsev wrote: Hello, Maybe it's my own opinion but I've discovered that 6.0 kernel is much slower than 5.4, I mean GENERIC in both cases. It's only your own opinion until you share with us the measurements that led you to conclude this. FreeBSD 6.0 is much faster than FreeBSD 5.4 in my measurements, especially in the area of filesystem performance. And, as well, 6.0 works right with the set of ports come with it in distribution inly. Nearly any new port can not assemble with differnent errors, mostly like: "The version of library XXX is installed, it's conflict with XXX-1, please do pkg_delete, and pkg_add then". But after than nearly nothing works. This is not a FreeBSD 6.0 problem, it indicates that you aren't upgrading your ports properly. Look into the portupgrade tool, and if you have specific problems with using it, then post specific questions. Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Dmytro, Sorry the debug -g option did not help. I have only noticed increased speed with 6 vs 5.4, but then again I am not using X, I use FreeBSD only for servers. I noticed a slight lag at first and was not using the SCHED_ULE scheduler, but the 4BSD. Removing debug -g and recompiling my kernel pretty much solved that. Thanks, Russell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD 6.0 GENERIC Kernel perfomance
On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 11:23:26AM +, Dmytro Surovtsev wrote: > I was not really honest: I did compiled the kernel without -g option. > Nothing different. The only thing that looks like help was compile > without PREEMPTIVE option. I'm sorry very much for FreeBSD that I like > many years. I do not think that racing for issuing the new RELEASE (so > called in this case) in proper time costs the reliability and robustness > we all appreciated all theese years. I find this comment very disrespectful to the many people who worked for the past year on 6.0-RELEASE, and who spent nearly 6 months during the release cycle to polish it and fix bugs. Kris pgpHHGyMUeI53.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD 6.0 GENERIC Kernel perfomance
On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 11:30:39AM +, Dmytro Surovtsev wrote: > Kris, > > thanks for reply. I did not provide any special tests for performance, I > catch it just working on my workstation - P-4, 3 GHz, 512 MB. > Long time ago (several monthes) I've used Gentoo Linux, but siwtched to > FreeBSD because of better performance especially when I work in X. OK, if it's all in your head and you haven't actually measured anything then there's not much we can say to you, is there? > About the port set: what do you mean under "> upgrading your ports > properly"? I've downloaded the ports.tar.gz (about 30M) and untarred it > to /usr/ports. what else? I already told you: > >Look into the portupgrade tool, and if you have specific problems with > >using it, then post specific questions. Kris pgpuTQRKodg52.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD 6.0 GENERIC Kernel perfomance
Kris, thanks for reply. I did not provide any special tests for performance, I catch it just working on my workstation - P-4, 3 GHz, 512 MB. Long time ago (several monthes) I've used Gentoo Linux, but siwtched to FreeBSD because of better performance especially when I work in X. About the port set: what do you mean under "> upgrading your ports properly"? I've downloaded the ports.tar.gz (about 30M) and untarred it to /usr/ports. what else? Dmytro Kris Kennaway wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 05:32:12PM +, Dmytro Surovtsev wrote: Hello, Maybe it's my own opinion but I've discovered that 6.0 kernel is much slower than 5.4, I mean GENERIC in both cases. It's only your own opinion until you share with us the measurements that led you to conclude this. FreeBSD 6.0 is much faster than FreeBSD 5.4 in my measurements, especially in the area of filesystem performance. And, as well, 6.0 works right with the set of ports come with it in distribution inly. Nearly any new port can not assemble with differnent errors, mostly like: "The version of library XXX is installed, it's conflict with XXX-1, please do pkg_delete, and pkg_add then". But after than nearly nothing works. This is not a FreeBSD 6.0 problem, it indicates that you aren't upgrading your ports properly. Look into the portupgrade tool, and if you have specific problems with using it, then post specific questions. Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD 6.0 GENERIC Kernel perfomance
I was not really honest: I did compiled the kernel without -g option. Nothing different. The only thing that looks like help was compile without PREEMPTIVE option. I'm sorry very much for FreeBSD that I like many years. I do not think that racing for issuing the new RELEASE (so called in this case) in proper time costs the reliability and robustness we all appreciated all theese years. SD Kris Kennaway wrote: >>On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 05:32:12PM +, Dmytro Surovtsev wrote: >> >> > Hello, Maybe it's my own opinion but I've discovered that 6.0 kernel is much slower than 5.4, I mean GENERIC in both cases. > >> >>It's only your own opinion until you share with us the measurements >>that led you to conclude this. FreeBSD 6.0 is much faster than >>FreeBSD 5.4 in my measurements, especially in the area of filesystem >>performance. >> >> >> > And, as well, 6.0 works right with the set of ports come with it in distribution inly. Nearly any new port can not assemble with differnent errors, mostly like: "The version of library XXX is installed, it's conflict with XXX-1, please do pkg_delete, and pkg_add then". But after than nearly nothing works. > >> >>This is not a FreeBSD 6.0 problem, it indicates that you aren't >>upgrading your ports properly. >> >>Look into the portupgrade tool, and if you have specific problems with >>using it, then post specific questions. >> >>Kris >> >> Dmytro, The stock Generic Kernel for 6.0-Release has debugging features which according to the kernel developement team where left in during release. Try to recompile the Generic Kernel with the option debug -g commented out and see if that helps with the speed issues you have encountered. Thanks, Russell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD 6.0 GENERIC Kernel perfomance
On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 05:37:52PM -0500, Russell Meek wrote: > The stock Generic Kernel for 6.0-Release has debugging features which > according to the kernel developement team where left in during release. > > Try to recompile the Generic Kernel with the option debug -g commented > out and see if that helps with the speed issues you have encountered. Actually it doesn't - only during the early beta releases when extra debugging was still needed to track down bugs. -g does not cause a performance penalty. Kris pgp6wQzfaVcrs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD 6.0 GENERIC Kernel perfomance
It's only your own opinion until you share with us the measurements that led you to conclude this. FreeBSD 6.0 is much faster than FreeBSD 5.4 in my measurements, especially in the area of filesystem performance. exactly same conclusion here! without even any precise benchmarking, just as i see doing same things that i used in both FreeBSD 5.4, and NetBSD 2.0. Not mentioning linux that is sometimes even faster with... one process.. (and only sometimes) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD 6.0 GENERIC Kernel perfomance
Kris Kennaway wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 05:32:12PM +, Dmytro Surovtsev wrote: Hello, Maybe it's my own opinion but I've discovered that 6.0 kernel is much slower than 5.4, I mean GENERIC in both cases. It's only your own opinion until you share with us the measurements that led you to conclude this. FreeBSD 6.0 is much faster than FreeBSD 5.4 in my measurements, especially in the area of filesystem performance. And, as well, 6.0 works right with the set of ports come with it in distribution inly. Nearly any new port can not assemble with differnent errors, mostly like: "The version of library XXX is installed, it's conflict with XXX-1, please do pkg_delete, and pkg_add then". But after than nearly nothing works. This is not a FreeBSD 6.0 problem, it indicates that you aren't upgrading your ports properly. Look into the portupgrade tool, and if you have specific problems with using it, then post specific questions. Kris Dmytro, The stock Generic Kernel for 6.0-Release has debugging features which according to the kernel developement team where left in during release. Try to recompile the Generic Kernel with the option debug -g commented out and see if that helps with the speed issues you have encountered. Thanks, Russell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD 6.0 GENERIC Kernel perfomance
On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 05:32:12PM +, Dmytro Surovtsev wrote: > Hello, > > Maybe it's my own opinion but I've discovered that 6.0 kernel is much > slower than 5.4, I mean GENERIC in both cases. It's only your own opinion until you share with us the measurements that led you to conclude this. FreeBSD 6.0 is much faster than FreeBSD 5.4 in my measurements, especially in the area of filesystem performance. > And, as well, 6.0 works > right with the set of ports come with it in distribution inly. Nearly > any new port can not assemble with differnent errors, mostly like: "The > version of library XXX is installed, it's conflict with XXX-1, please do > pkg_delete, and pkg_add then". But after than nearly nothing works. This is not a FreeBSD 6.0 problem, it indicates that you aren't upgrading your ports properly. Look into the portupgrade tool, and if you have specific problems with using it, then post specific questions. Kris pgpLACVCpEwLA.pgp Description: PGP signature
