Re: Post about BSD's alleged demise on /.
On Thursday, 10 July 2003 at 18:12:14 -0500, Chris wrote: On Thursday 10 July 2003 06:06 pm, John Mills wrote: Snippage... Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers. OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts. What kinda of math is this?!?! It this the sorta thing they are teaching in public schools now? No, it's the sort of thing they've been posting on /. for years now. The troll doesn't even bother to update his numbers. Based on these numbers, every user of FreeBSD has three copies of The Complete FreeBSD. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Post about BSD's alleged demise on /.
What kinda of math is this?!?! It this the sorta thing they are teaching in public schools now? No, it's the sort of thing they've been posting on /. for years now. The troll doesn't even bother to update his numbers. Based on these numbers, every user of FreeBSD has three copies of The Complete FreeBSD. Geez, I only have two copies. jerry Greg -- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Post about BSD's alleged demise on /.
On 10 Jul 2003, Guy Van Sanden wrote: I saw this post on /. today, under the announcement about a FreeBSD 5.1 review. Is there much truth is this? How many FreeBSD servers are out there? And is there number declining? I really hope that BSD will be arround for a long time to come... Kind regards Guy http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=70502cid=6404771 It is now official - Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test. You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers. OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts. Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house. All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead. Fact: *BSD is dead To my mind this contribution on /. misses some interesting and important facts. I've been a FreeBSD user since 2.0-RELEASE and I see the following facts: * FreeBSD today runs on five hardware platforms now; some years ago, only one was supported. * A lot of books cover FreeBSD today; some years ago, there was only one. * Hardware manufacturers supply drivers for FreeBSD today; some years ago, none did so. These things do make me believe that FreeBSD isn't dead. It would make no sense to publish books noone will read and to supply drivers noone will use. The number of FreeBSD developers and users must have grown if new platforms get supported, I suppose. I don't know about the number of BSD oriented servers on the net. I'm sure that will be hard to stand against improved MS operating systems like the 2003 server. It will be a hard stand against Linux sponsored by IBM and others with lots of money. Maybe Linux is better today in some aspects of system performance than FreeBSD. But things will change as they always did. Best regards Konrad Konrad Heuer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ ___ GWDG / __/__ ___ / _ )/ __/ _ \ Am Fassberg / _// __/ -_) -_) _ |\ \/ // / 37077 Goettingen /_/ /_/ \__/\__//___// Germany ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Post about BSD's alleged demise on /.
On Thursday 10 July 2003 06:19 am, Konrad Heuer wrote: To my mind this contribution on /. misses some interesting and important facts. I've been a FreeBSD user since 2.0-RELEASE and I see the following facts: [snip] You can't smell a troll? The referenced SysAdmin magazine http://www.samag.com/ article didn't include a date of test but was written by employees of the far-from-unbiased Lyris. The optimized for NT architecture mistakes in Lyris products are old news to FreeBSD lists. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] = The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Post about BSD's alleged demise on /.
The person who posted this on /. is nothing more than a troll... The same bunch of trolls that repeat that *BSD is dying (or dead) about once every couple of months... It's not true, it's just there to see how much panic can be caused. FreeBSD is NOT dying, and will be around for many years to come. Peter At 11:55 AM 7/10/2003 +0200, you wrote: Hi I saw this post on /. today, under the announcement about a FreeBSD 5.1 review. Is there much truth is this? How many FreeBSD servers are out there? And is there number declining? I really hope that BSD will be arround for a long time to come... Kind regards Guy http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=70502cid=6404771 It is now official - Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test. You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers. OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts. Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house. All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead. Fact: *BSD is dead ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anything below this line, is considered a signature line. If you do not know what a signature is within an email STOP here and do not read any further. Thank you. _ Peter Elsner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice President Of Customer Service (And System Administrator) 1835 S. Carrier Parkway Grand Prairie, Texas 75051 (972) 263-2080 - Voice (972) 263-2082 - Fax (972) 489-4838 - Cell Phone (425) 988-8061 - eFax I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet? -- Mike Godwin Unix IS user friendly... It's just selective about who its friends are. System Administration - It's a dirty job, but somebody said I had to do it. If you receive something that says 'Send this to everyone you know, pretend you don't know me. Standard $500/message proofreading fee applies for UCE. (NOTE: UCE is Unsolicited Commercial Email also known as SPAM or junk mail). ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Post about BSD's alleged demise on /.
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Guy Van Sanden wrote: Hi I saw this post on /. today, under the announcement about a FreeBSD 5.1 review. Is there much truth is this? How many FreeBSD servers are out there? And is there number declining? I really hope that BSD will be arround for a long time to come... Kind regards Guy It is now official - Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying No, it hasn't: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/07/08/ most_reliable_and_fastest_hosting_company_sites_during_june.html Regards, Uli. +---+ |Peter Ulrich Kruppa| | - Wuppertal - | | Germany | +---+ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Post about BSD's alleged demise on /.
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 11:55:37AM +0200, Guy Van Sanden wrote: Hi I saw this post on /. today, under the announcement about a FreeBSD 5.1 review. Is there much truth is this? How many FreeBSD servers are out there? And is there number declining? Apparently, someone in an MCSE course was caught playing with another OS, and as punishiment, was given the task of finding as many ways as possible of saying BSD is dead in a sentence. Aside from that and some junk numbers, there's nothing in the article. Isn't it amazing how powerfully the expression X is dead, repeated over and over, plays on the emotions? Bob Hall ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Post about BSD's alleged demise on /.
Freebies - On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Peter Elsner wrote: The person who posted this on /. is nothing more than a troll... The same bunch of trolls that repeat that *BSD is dying (or dead) about once every couple of months... It's not true, it's just there to see how much panic can be caused. FreeBSD is NOT dying, and will be around for many years to come. Peter In fact there was an editorial suggestion in a recent _eWeek_ (should be [http://www.eweek.com], but I can't confirm that just now.) to the point that managers concerned about SCO's litigation should actively test and evaluate the *BSD family, specifically mentioning FreeBSD's excellent reputation for server quality. - JMM At 11:55 AM 7/10/2003 +0200, you wrote: Hi I saw this post on /. today, under the announcement about a FreeBSD 5.1 review. Is there much truth is this? How many FreeBSD servers are out there? And is there number declining? I really hope that BSD will be arround for a long time to come... Kind regards Guy http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=70502cid=6404771 It is now official - Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test. You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers. OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts. Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house. All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead. Fact: *BSD is dead ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anything below this line, is considered a signature line. If you do not know what a signature is within an email STOP here and do not read any further. Thank you. _ Peter Elsner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice President Of Customer Service (And System Administrator) 1835 S. Carrier Parkway Grand Prairie, Texas 75051 (972) 263-2080 - Voice (972) 263-2082 - Fax (972) 489-4838 - Cell Phone (425) 988-8061 - eFax I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet? -- Mike Godwin Unix IS user friendly... It's just selective about who its friends are. System Administration - It's a dirty job, but somebody said I had to do it. If you receive something that says 'Send this to everyone you know, pretend you don't know me. Standard $500/message proofreading fee applies for UCE. (NOTE: UCE is Unsolicited Commercial Email also known as SPAM or junk mail). ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- John Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL
Re: Post about BSD's alleged demise on /.
On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 04:06PM, John Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freebies - In fact there was an editorial suggestion in a recent _eWeek_ (should be [http://www.eweek.com], but I can't confirm that just now.) to the point that managers concerned about SCO's litigation should actively test and evaluate the *BSD family, specifically mentioning FreeBSD's excellent reputation for server quality. Chad Dickerson, the CTO of InfoWorld, made that suggestion in his weblog a couple of weeks back (possibly that's where you saw it?): I've been at him for awhile to upgrade to FreeBSD. -- Paul Beard / 8040 27th Ave NE / Seattle WA 98115 / paulbeard [at] mac [ dot] com / 206 529 8400 weblog @ http://paulbeard.no-ip.org/movabletype/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Post about BSD's alleged demise on /.
On Thursday 10 July 2003 06:06 pm, John Mills wrote: Snippage... Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers. OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts. What kinda of math is this?!?! It this the sorta thing they are teaching in public schools now? This is sooo flawed this could not even make it as swiss cheese. What sorta crack pots (heads) write for /* ??? I would hate to see this yo-yo's check register. Ohh, that's right - he uses Quicken for Windows -- Best regards, Chris __ PGP Fingerprint = D976 2575 D0B4 E4B0 45CC AA09 0F93 FF80 C01B C363 PGP Mail encouraged / preferred - keys available on common key servers __ 01010010011101100011011001010111001001011000 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
