Re: Printing from Opera
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:01:50 +0200, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich wrote: Sorry, I forgot to include the list - Am 24.08.2011 17:19, schrieb Polytropon: On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:38:45 +0200, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich wrote: Opera really does work with Cups - you will see your printer's network name in the printer dialog. I've installed CUPS and actually _can_ see the printer names in the dialog, but no printing takes place. Test: I loaded google's homepage and pressed Ctrl+P Enter. % lpq HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready and printing RankOwner Job File(s) Total Size active poly20 Google - Opera 419840 bytes And few seconds later: % lpq HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready no entries But nothing appear in the printer. It works from any other application, even from command line. Note that _those_ lp* tools are belonging to CUPS. Which means - you really do use /usr/local/bin/lp and removed the system's /usr/bin/lp* stuff? Just to be sure Just checked again. Even though I did not have CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE=YES in /etc/make.conf when installing cups, I renamed the system's lp* tools so those of CUPS are being used: % which lpq lpr lprm lp /usr/local/bin/lpq /usr/local/bin/lpr /usr/local/bin/lprm /usr/local/bin/lp The system's tools are out of scope now. % ls /usr/bin/lp* /usr/bin/lp.bsd /usr/bin/lpq.bsd /usr/bin/lpr.bsd /usr/bin/lprm.bsd As I made sure from various programs, CUPS _can_ actually print. It just doesn't print from Opera. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Printing from Opera
Am 25.08.2011 08:09, schrieb Polytropon: On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:01:50 +0200, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich wrote: Sorry, I forgot to include the list - Am 24.08.2011 17:19, schrieb Polytropon: On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:38:45 +0200, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich wrote: Opera really does work with Cups - you will see your printer's network name in the printer dialog. I've installed CUPS and actually _can_ see the printer names in the dialog, but no printing takes place. Test: I loaded google's homepage and pressed Ctrl+P Enter. % lpq HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready and printing RankOwner Job File(s) Total Size active poly20 Google - Opera 419840 bytes And few seconds later: % lpq HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready no entries But nothing appear in the printer. It works from any other application, even from command line. Note that _those_ lp* tools are belonging to CUPS. Which means - you really do use /usr/local/bin/lp and removed the system's /usr/bin/lp* stuff? Just to be sure Just checked again. Even though I did not have CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE=YES in /etc/make.conf when installing cups, I renamed the system's lp* tools so those of CUPS are being used: % which lpq lpr lprm lp /usr/local/bin/lpq /usr/local/bin/lpr /usr/local/bin/lprm /usr/local/bin/lp The system's tools are out of scope now. % ls /usr/bin/lp* /usr/bin/lp.bsd /usr/bin/lpq.bsd /usr/bin/lpr.bsd /usr/bin/lprm.bsd As I made sure from various programs, CUPS _can_ actually print. It just doesn't print from Opera. Do opera's print jobs show up in the queue (With # lpq) or via browser http://localhost:631 ? Greetings Peter. -- Peter Ulrich Kruppa Wuppertal Germany ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Printing from Opera
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:48:40 -0400, Rod Person wrote: Out of curiosity, when I got how I fired up Opera 11.50 and took these screen shots. You can see that I have a Print to LPR option and you can set the command line. Yes - that seems to be the KDE printing dialog. I did just rebuild Opera (which installed _lots_ of stuff, kdelibs and other KDE and Qt related things, and stuff that I've never heared of, no idea what it is and what I should need it for, e. g. Sesame, Rasqal, Soprano, Botan and Grantlee - it's just you're talking how to solve Maniac Mansion II: Day Of The Tentacle with a friend on a public bus!). Really, naming modern software products makes you sound silly. :-) But it seem it does stay saved and you have to type in the command every time. The standard command _is_ lpr, so this should be fine. I've tried _all_ the dialogs, going to opera:config Registry, and changing numerical values. The explainations for Dialog Toolkit are a bit scary: 0 = Autodetect toolkit to use for file selector 1 = Use Qt for file selector (dprecated, will fall back to KDE) 2 = Use GTK for file selector 3 = Use KDE for file selector 4 = Use X11 for file selector Note that althoug the key Dialog Toolkit is categorized in File Selector, it does _also_ affect the printing dialog! Furthermore, it affects how the menus and colors look like. Oh... deprecated!!! The only file saving dialog that worked in a halfway accessible manner is now DEPRECATED! Great! I tried the Gtk file dialog, it has bad keyboard support, is slow and doesn't allow fast actions. The KDE dialog is also unusable. And if Opera starts, there are a lot of error messages related to KDE (as I'm not using it maybe?). There is no .. entry anymore (too complicated for average users?), and the GTK file dialog doesn't even allow easy overwriting a file name (selection just covers prefix, not full entry). This is how it looked like in previous versions: +-- Save as ---+ | | | Look in: _#_/var/tmp_ [] [^] [°] [::][=] | | | | # ..* a_saved_file.html | | # some_directory* another_file_html | | # another one | | | | File name: blabla.html_ [ Save ] | | | | File type: HTML file (*.htm, *.html)[ Cancel ] | | | +--+ Note that the upper field can be addressed per keyboard, so you can change the path there - or you enter a path (as prefix or only entry) in the lower field. The dialog I got after installation with KDE and GTK backends _not_ selected was a poor implementation of that dialog, but it worked, even though there are strange things like Places and File system that I don't understand what they are to be used for. Waste of space on screen seems to be modern. The old Opera 8.54 printing dialog had a tab to specify a printer program and its parameters. This seems also DEPRECATED, so if you want it, you need KDE... or what? Dialog: http://rodperson.com/DL/2011-08-24-174109_1680x1050_scrot.png Exactly that's what I get, and if I enter a job, it is shown for a short time in the lpq output, but the printer does not print anything. Then the queue is empty. And even as I now have those dialogs, and made all settings as one would expect, in the _result_, nothing is printed. No error messages (checked xterm calling Opera) appear. There is just one printer. It's the only one on the list. It _has_ to be manually (!) selected before I am able to send the print job. Standard procedure ^P and Enter also seems to be DEPRECATED... Summary: Printing still does not work. And file dialog got worse. I will try to make a workaround by using the Print to file mechanism to pipe it directly into the printer somehow. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Printing from Opera
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:57:41 +0200, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich wrote: Do opera's print jobs show up in the queue (With # lpq) or via browser http://localhost:631 ? In both, for a very short time. The command line lpr report looks like this: % lpq HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready and printing RankOwner Job File(s) Total Size active poly20 Google - Opera 419840 bytes Then it disappears after a few seconds % lpq HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready no entries The printer doesn't start to print. If I try this from other programs (e. g. Gimp, the Sylpheed MUA, or OpenOffice), the entry is listed, and the printer starts to work. In the web administration, all jobs are listed as completed, except that the Opera printing jobs didn't result in printing, while the other ones did. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Printing from Opera
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:57:41 +0200, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich wrote: Do opera's print jobs show up in the queue (With # lpq) or via browser http://localhost:631 ? In both, for a very short time. The command line lpr report looks like this: % lpq HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready and printing RankOwner Job File(s) Total Size active poly20 Google - Opera 419840 bytes Then it disappears after a few seconds % lpq HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready no entries The printer doesn't start to print. If the print job has a PostScript error, it would be received and then just disappear. Unless you have the printer set to print PostScript errors, anyway. Watch the printer lights for a quick flash when (if) the job is actually sent. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Printing from Opera
Again a system freeze, so I have to write this message for a second time. But I think it's worth it as I made some interesting discoveries. :-) On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:43:01 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: If the print job has a PostScript error, it would be received and then just disappear. Unless you have the printer set to print PostScript errors, anyway. Watch the printer lights for a quick flash when (if) the job is actually sent. I've tried that from the google search page (no query entered) and could see the display JOBVERARBEITUNG (job processing), as well as a short flashing of the Daten (data) LED. Nothing got printed, but the printer seemed to receive data. So I thought I should investigate the data. In Opera, I selected Print to file and loaded the PS file into gs. It had a black square across the page, as well as scroll bars. Scroll bars? In the PS output? Hmmm... sounds stupid! Printing this file from within gs (which pipes it to lpr), as well as directly printing it with lpr, resulted in the job appearing + disappearing. Okay, I thought it might have something to do with the web page printed... so I opened a simple web page (no images, just text). IT GOT PRINTED!!! So is this local file vs. online file? I opened http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/LEGALNOTICE.html and printed it. It also got printed, but with a black bar across the rear side of the second page. There also were grey bars at the margins of the text (but I could remove them by manually Alt+P = Preferencs, Webpages, Background Color set to white). The output was like this (2nd page): Corel and WordPerfect are trademarks or registered trademarks of Corel Corporation and/or its subsidiaries in Canada, the United States and/or ## ## ## ## And then printing continued normally on the 3rd page (2nd sheet) with SAP, R/3, and mySAP are trademarks or registered trademarks of SAP AG in Germany and in several other countries all over the world. What is this selective printing? Or am I not allowed to print portions of the copyright? :-) Whenever I try to print from Opera, I have to manually select the only selectable printer with the mouse. What about the good old Ctrl+P Enter? Already DEPRECATED? Not modern enough? Alternative: Firefox. I have version 6.0.1 installed. When I opened the google search page, it got printed, but without the colored Google text. Other web pages with images have the images printed. And suddenly, the system froze. I had to switch it off (with the _real_ power switch on the back). The freeze virus has jumped from Sylpheed to Firefox. Summary: PS generation seems to be different among browsers. Sometimes something gets generated that the printer cannot print. Idea: I could configure CUPS _not_ to use PS, but instead convert it to PCL and then send it to the printer, maybe this can bring different results. (Note that my last message contained some more details, e. g. different job sizes when printing the same page from Opera and from Firefox, but due to the reboot the message was lost.) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Printing from Opera
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:58:41 +0200 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: My question to the list now: Did anybody get Opera working with CUPS or (better) without it? Maybe did I miss something important at installation time? I've been printing from Opera using this method http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/481/ Since you have a good printer that doesn't need a CUPS you probably can skip that and just make sure tp have the correct /etc/printcap -- Rod ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Printing from Opera
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:55:34 -0400, Rod Person wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:58:41 +0200 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: My question to the list now: Did anybody get Opera working with CUPS or (better) without it? Maybe did I miss something important at installation time? I've been printing from Opera using this method http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/481/ Which version of Opera are you using? I have 11.50/1047 installed; the page you refered to states: Opera for Linux uses Qt to handle the printing. Qt looks in /etc/printcap for available printers, so make sure your printers are listed there. Printers are listed, but they don't appear in the Printers list. Then: If you are having problems printing, try adding a custom printer under the Options tab in File Print. This is not possible, as the Options tab doesn't have any function to add a printer. This is what it looks like: +-- Print --+ | _ | |_Destination| Options || | | | Paper and Orientation | | A4 (210 x 297 mm) v | | Portrait v | | | | Scale print to100% v | | [J] Fit to paper width| | | | [ ] Print page background | | [ ] Print headers and footers | | | | Color | | ( ) Print in color if available | | (o) Print in grayscale | | | | Page margins (in centimeters) | | Top 1.00 Bottom 1.00 | | Left 1.00 Right 1.00 | |___| | | | [ Print] [ Cancel ] [ Apply ] | +---+ There is no means to add a printer. I also checked the Registry... erm... the Configuration editor opera:config, with the search string print. Even though the key PrinterName is defined as $PRINTER, which points to Laserjet (the default printer queue that all other programs can use too), there is no command that could be entered (like lpr -PLaserjet), sonsisting of a printer program and a parameter, as described in the article mentioned on top. Since you have a good printer that doesn't need a CUPS you probably can skip that and just make sure tp have the correct /etc/printcap I have a correct /etc/rintcap for more than 20 years now, and I never encountered such a situation that cannot be explained or understood... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Printing from Opera
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:09:40 +0200 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: Which version of Opera are you using? I have 11.50/1047 installed; the page you refered to states: I have 10.x and Opera-Next installed. If you are having problems printing, try adding a custom printer under the Options tab in File Print. This is not possible, as the Options tab doesn't have any function to add a printer. This is what it looks like: Sorry, I know Opera-Next does not have this option, but I though the 11.x did. What if you change Dialog Toolkit to 3 in Opera:config, which will give you the KDE type dialogs? -- Rod == This is email was sent by me for the purposes of not promoting global corporations or mindlessness. If you can't figure out how to read the reply, stop being a moron and think...hint how do you normally read a book, magazine or such. Wake the fuck up and think. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Printing from Opera
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:54:01 -0400 Rod Person rodper...@rodperson.com wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:09:40 +0200 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: Which version of Opera are you using? I have 11.50/1047 installed; the page you refered to states: I have 10.x and Opera-Next installed. Out of curiosity, when I got how I fired up Opera 11.50 and took these screen shots. You can see that I have a Print to LPR option and you can set the command line. But it seem it does stay saved and you have to type in the command every time. Dialog: http://rodperson.com/DL/2011-08-24-174109_1680x1050_scrot.png Version Info: http://rodperson.com/DL/2011-08-24-174126_1680x1050_scrot.png Dialog Toolkit setting: http://rodperson.com/DL/2011-08-24-174152_1680x1050_scrot.png -- Rod Person http://www.rodperson.com When you step on some toes and offend people you're a radical these days... And people's toes are very long -aap ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Printing from Opera
Sorry, I forgot to include the list - Am 24.08.2011 17:19, schrieb Polytropon: On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:38:45 +0200, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich wrote: Opera really does work with Cups - you will see your printer's network name in the printer dialog. I've installed CUPS and actually _can_ see the printer names in the dialog, but no printing takes place. Test: I loaded google's homepage and pressed Ctrl+P Enter. % lpq HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready and printing RankOwner Job File(s) Total Size active poly20 Google - Opera 419840 bytes And few seconds later: % lpq HP_LaserJet_4000_Series is ready no entries But nothing appear in the printer. It works from any other application, even from command line. Note that _those_ lp* tools are belonging to CUPS. Which means - you really do use /usr/local/bin/lp and removed the system's /usr/bin/lp* stuff? Just to be sure Greetings Peter. If you really want to use Cups [...] Want? There's no such thing as wanting in relation to CUPS. :-) [...] you have to set it up manually Really? It was always advertised as doing everything totally automatically. - there isn't any automagic. It recognized the printer (by scanning the network) correctly and did even suggest the proper driver that allows me to enable or disable the printer's special functions, such as which tray to use, or if to duplex. Can you print from the command-line # lpr document.ps ? Without problems. Even the pre-filters do work, e. g. % lpr bla.c or even % lpr foo.jpg CUPS does the preprocessing, the printer shows JOB PROCESSING, loads the paper and prints - just as expected, even like without CUPS. :-) (I've been using that magic with apsfilter before which uses some pre-filters for various non-printable file types, and then generates PCL using gs, which also allows me to set printer-specific options.) Oh, and I even wrote my own PS only printer filters, also using gs, and putting them into /etc/printcap does work. % cat /opt/libexec/ps2pcl-dup.sh #!/bin/sh printf \033k2G || exit 2 gs -q -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -dPARANOIDSAFER -dSAFER -sPAPERSIZE=a4 -r600x600 -sDEVICE=ljet4d -dDuplex=true -sOutputFile=- - exit 0 exit 2 Corresponding printcap entry: Laserjet|ljet4d;r=600x600;q=high;c=full;p=a4;m=auto:\ :rm=192.168.100.100:\ :rp=raw:\ :lp=:\ :if=/opt/libexec/ps2pcl-dup.sh:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/Laserjet:\ :lf=/var/spool/lpd/Laserjet/log:\ :af=/var/spool/lpd/Laserjet/acct:\ :mx#0:\ :sh: Of course in _this_ case print data has to be in PS format, but that's no problem as it is the default output format by all the programs that intend to print. -- Peter Ulrich Kruppa Wuppertal Germany ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
