Re: Thinkpad audio question
According to Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com on Wed, 09/14/11 at 20:21: Two things you can do to improve the situation. Thanks. First, describe the appropriate settings and files on http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ Done. Then write some updates to the man page, or at least describe what is missing, and submit a PR. I will do this, but I first have to go through the procedure of how to do this (by reading the handbook, very likely). This can be worthwhile doing just for yourself. If a man page is missing something for me once, chances are I'll hit it again later. Helping others is a side benefit. It isn't for me that I am doing this. It is to help others - really. :-) Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: w...@umich.edu 72 characters width template -| ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thinkpad audio question
According to Jakub Lach jakub_l...@mailplus.pl on Wed, 09/14/11 at 23:11: It was mav (Alexander Motin), he proposed those hints after I complained that sound stopped working after update. He wondered how I got sound to work in the first place, with hints I had previously. I would have wondered the same. The question that remains to be answered is: how did mav (Alexander Motin) suss out the details of how to do this in the first place? :-) I don't think pushing those specific hints somewhere would be so beneficial, subtle hardware revision could change pin associations. (e.g. Your friend's T500?) True, but it might give someone an idea of where to start looking... I don't think man page is missing something, it's verbose and exhaustive, with 4 examples of hints for various purposes. (The truth is out there! heh.) We can agree to disagree, perhaps. The man page is complete, I agree, but it isn't a great read for a user who doesn't understand audio hardware, has never dealt with anything other than stereo speakers and stereo headphones (with or without microphone). The four (4!) examples all refer to the one (1!) HP Compaq system. And these explanations don't give a good description of the connection between AS, NID, SEQ, etc. That is, there are examples there, but the explainations assume that the reader knows more about the underlying hardware and how audio systems and chips work in general than is likely the case for most users with laptops using the snd_hda(4) driver supported hardware. I hope that run-on sentence is comprehensible to folks... :-) The problem is, most people don't want (or don't know they need) to swap line-out and speaker functions, to split headphones and mic to separate device etc. This is completly true - I agree wholeheartedly with this. They do not know why default pinout is not working as it should, and what they should change. Yep. They just want to have headphones and speakers working as intended :) Well, d'oh! :-) But I'm afraid this can't be directly addressed, as possibilities of default wrong pin associations are endless. Sadly, I must agree with you here also, sigh... :-( If you think otherwise you are free to submit PR as well :) I am going to submit a PR (when I learn how from the handbook), but not to suggest new text or wording. Rather, I will make suggestions of areas that could be improved for readability and understanding. best regards, - Jakub Lach PS. I suspected that If by chance my device.hints will just work, the pedantic engineer in you would be silenced somehow :P Well, then you don't know me very well then, do you?? ;^) Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: w...@umich.edu 72 characters width template -| ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thinkpad audio question
On Wed, September 14, 2011 9:44 am, William Bulley wrote: A friend of mine has an IBM T500 Thinkpad which is nearly identical to the one I have. We both have interesting audio issues. Any ideas as to why the problems explained below exist would be greatly appreciated. My T500 shows two devices /dev/mixer0 and /dev/mixer1 corresponding to pcm0 and pcm1 as displayed by % cat /dev/sndstat in 8.2-PRERELEASE from January 2011. I am able to hear audio on the built-in speakers using /dev/mixer1 but not able to hear audio when plugging stereo headphones into the green audio out jack. However, the speaker audio is muted when the headphones are plugged in. I have tried two different head sets to rule out flawed hardware. My friend's T500 is more up-to-date than mine (likely 8.2-STABLE) but in his case headphone audio works perfectly and he has had no luck in getting audio out of his built-in laptop speakers. Very weird... This situation sucks, but we have not been able to suss out what the problem is. He and I have been running FreeBSD for over a decade, so we are not clueless, but this laptop audio weirdness has us stumped. Quick thought: What versions of the BIOS are each of you running? Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thinkpad audio question
According to Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net on Wed, 09/14/11 at 10:20: Quick thought: What versions of the BIOS are each of you running? Can't speak for him, but here is the output from biosdecode(8): thinkpad% biosdecode | m # biosdecode 2.10 VPD present. BIOS Build ID: 6FET66WW Box Serial Number: R8XYZ03 Motherboard Serial Number: VQ0VP98J5WA Machine Type/Model: 2081CTO SMBIOS 2.4 present. Structure Table Length: 2627 bytes Structure Table Address: 0x000E0010 Number Of Structures: 74 Maximum Structure Size: 120 bytes BIOS32 Service Directory present. Revision: 0 Calling Interface Address: 0x000FDC80 ACPI 2.0 present. OEM Identifier: LENOVO RSD Table 32-bit Address: 0x7CB6A207 XSD Table 64-bit Address: 0x7CB6A273 PNP BIOS 1.0 present. Event Notification: Not Supported Real Mode 16-bit Code Address: E192:1920 Real Mode 16-bit Data Address: 0040: 16-bit Protected Mode Code Address: 0x000F8AD7 16-bit Protected Mode Data Address: 0x0400 I don't know what to make of all this. I hope this answers your above question. :-) Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: w...@umich.edu 72 characters width template -| ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thinkpad audio question
See man snd_hda, you probably need to set device.hints. For example, I with T400 have something like this in device hints: hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid22.config=as=1 seq=15 hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid24.config=as=3 hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid26.config=as=1 hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid29.config=as=2 best regards, Jakub Lach -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Thinkpad-audio-question-tp4802936p4803609.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thinkpad audio question
According to Jakub Lach jakub_l...@mailplus.pl on Wed, 09/14/11 at 13:10: See man snd_hda, you probably need to set device.hints. For example, I with T400 have something like this in device hints: hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid22.config=as=1 seq=15 hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid24.config=as=3 hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid26.config=as=1 hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid29.config=as=2 Thanks. This looks very promising. It is too bad the man page is so busy and complex... :-( I had viewed this man page before, but I hoped I would never have to deal with the details. And I haven't until now... :-) One thing that could be made more clear is the lack of how to invoke the verbose or reporting mode. The word verbose appears just three (3!) times in the man page, but there is no explicit description of how to get the driver to provide a verbose report. The word report in the EXAMPLES section refers to an HP/Compaq system housing a Realtek ALC888 HDA codec whose driver can list the default pin configuration as show. Except the man page never explains how. :-( After a great deal of back and forth, I finally discovered the hint dev.hdac.%d.pindump just above the EXAMPLES section. As soon as I put that entry in my /etc/sysctl.conf file (dev.hdac.0.pindump=1) and did a reboot, the following appeared in my dmesg(8) output: :-) Intel 82801I HDAC mem 0xfc02-0xfc023fff irq 17 at device 27.0 on pci0 High Definition Audio Controller Driver Revision: 20100226_0142 HDA Codec #0: Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa) HDA Codec #1: Conexant (Unknown) = this seems confusing... Dumping AFG cad=0 nid=1 pins: nid 22 0x022140f0 as 15 seq 0Headphones Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Green misc 0 Caps:OUT HP Sense: 0x7fff nid 23 0x61a190f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic None jack 1 loc 33 color Pink misc 0 [DISABLED] Caps: IN VREF Sense: 0x7fff nid 24 0x02a190f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Pink misc 0 Caps: IN VREF Sense: 0x7fff nid 25 0x40f000f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 0 [DISABLED] Caps:OUT Sense: 0x7fff nid 26 0x901701f0 as 15 seq 0 Speaker Fixed jack 7 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1 Caps:OUTEAPD nid 27 0x40f001f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 1 [DISABLED] Caps:OUTEAPD nid 28 0x40f001f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 1 [DISABLED] Caps:OUT nid 29 0x90a601f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic Fixed jack 6 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1 Caps: IN NumGPIO=4 NumGPO=0 NumGPI=0 GPIWake=0 GPIUnsol=1 GPIO: data=0x enable=0x direction=0x wake=0x unsol=0xsticky=0x Dumping AFG cad=0 nid=1 pins: nid 22 0x022140f0 as 15 seq 0Headphones Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Green misc 0 Caps:OUT HP Sense: 0x7fff nid 23 0x61a190f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic None jack 1 loc 33 color Pink misc 0 [DISABLED] Caps: IN VREF Sense: 0x7fff nid 24 0x02a190f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Pink misc 0 Caps: IN VREF Sense: 0x7fff nid 25 0x40f000f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 0 [DISABLED] Caps:OUT Sense: 0x7fff nid 26 0x901701f0 as 15 seq 0 Speaker Fixed jack 7 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1 Caps:OUTEAPD nid 27 0x40f001f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 1 [DISABLED] Caps:OUTEAPD nid 28 0x40f001f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 1 [DISABLED] Caps:OUT nid 29 0x90a601f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic Fixed jack 6 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1 Caps: IN NumGPIO=4 NumGPO=0 NumGPI=0 GPIWake=0 GPIUnsol=1 GPIO: data=0x enable=0x direction=0x wake=0x unsol=0xsticky=0x Now, re-reading the snd_hda man page with the above in hand, I just may be able to make changes similar to what you have shown above provided I can make sense of the above verbose output. Thanks for all your help. :-) Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: w...@umich.edu 72 characters width template -| ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thinkpad audio question
For maximum verbosity you can also try setting in sysctl.conf hw.snd.verbose=3 and $ cat /dev/sndstat then. Not sure if you really need it though. As for man page, that was my experience as well, and I just shamelessly copied device.hints some kind spirit provided, so I'm not exactly pinout expert either :) On a lighter note, once correct pinout will be set, you shouldn't have any more problems with CX20561, it's common and well supported chip. regards, - Jakub Lach -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Thinkpad-audio-question-tp4802936p4804292.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thinkpad audio question
According to Jakub Lach jakub_l...@mailplus.pl on Wed, 09/14/11 at 16:25: For maximum verbosity you can also try setting in sysctl.conf hw.snd.verbose=3 I've had that setting for years, but it didn't help in this case, sigh... :-( and $ cat /dev/sndstat then. Sure, that is what I always do to check which sound driver I have. Not sure if you really need it though. True, it wasn't any help for this problem. As for man page, that was my experience as well, and I just shamelessly copied device.hints some kind spirit provided, so I'm not exactly pinout expert either :) Heh... :-) On a lighter note, once correct pinout will be set, you shouldn't have any more problems with CX20561, it's common and well supported chip. That is nice to know... Here is the deal: when I % cat /dev/sndstat it shows both pcm0 and psm1 as: HDA Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa) but not in the verbose output below from dmesg(8). Right now I have this (after some reformatting - no TABs either!): HDA Codec #0: Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa) HDA Codec #1: Conexant (Unknown) = not sure why this is Dumping AFG cad=0 nid=1 pins: nid 22 0x022140f0 as 15 seq 0 Headphones Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Green misc 0Caps: OUT HP Sense: 0x 7fff nid 23 0x61a190f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic None jack 1 loc 33 color Pink misc 0 [DISABLED] Caps: IN VREF Sense: 0x 7fff nid 24 0x02a190f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Pink misc 0Caps: IN VREF Sense: 0x 7fff nid 25 0x40f000f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 0 [DISABLED] Caps: OUT Sense: 0x 7fff nid 26 0x901701f0 as 15 seq 0 Speaker Fixed jack 7 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1Caps: OUT EAPD nid 27 0x40f001f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 1 [DISABLED] Caps: OUT EAPD nid 28 0x40f001f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 1 [DISABLED] Caps: OUT nid 29 0x90a601f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic Fixed jack 6 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1Caps: IN After disregarding the DISABLED lines I have this: nid 22 0x022140f0 as 15 seq 0 Headphones Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Green misc 0Caps: OUT HP Sense: 0x 7fff nid 24 0x02a190f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Pink misc 0Caps: IN VREF Sense: 0x 7fff nid 26 0x901701f0 as 15 seq 0 Speaker Fixed jack 7 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1Caps: OUT EAPD nid 29 0x90a601f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic Fixed jack 6 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1Caps: IN The snd_hda(4) man page does not discuss what EAPD is, nor what VREF is, nor what HP is. It also does not discuss Caps: but I can infer what IN and OUT are. :-) So, I have a speaker (big whoop) and two jacks: one pink and one green (but I already knew that, too). I note that there is only one AS (15, or is that 14?) and only one seq (0) which doesn't mesh well with your earlier T400 suggestion: hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid22.config=as=1 seq=15 hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid24.config=as=3 hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid26.config=as=1 hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid29.config=as=2 For example, where did 'AS'es 1, 2, 3 come from? And where did seq 15 come from? :-( However, it is mighty curious that your four nids match my four non-DISABLED nids - hmmm... :-) Recognizing from your comments above that you may not be able to answer these rhetorical questions, but if I just try your suggestions blind what are the chances it will just work for me? I do hate just copying something without knowing what the heck it means -- just the pedantic engineer in me, I reckon... :-) The snd_hda(4) man page is not very helpful in explaining what your four hints would do for my T500 problem, but I guess it is worth a try. Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: w...@umich.edu 72 characters width template -| ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thinkpad audio question
I would love to investigate it properly further, however I'm critically low on time, so I can only offer pinout dump with my device.hints at this time, sorry http://pastebin.com/ig54CwT9 good luck, - Jakub Lach -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Thinkpad-audio-question-tp4802936p4804434.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thinkpad audio question
According to Jakub Lach jakub_l...@mailplus.pl on Wed, 09/14/11 at 17:01: I would love to investigate it properly further, however I'm critically low on time, so I can only offer pinout dump with my device.hints at this time, sorry http://pastebin.com/ig54CwT9 good luck, Thanks! But no thanks -- because I got it to work with your T400 hints! :-) You have been most helpful and I really appreciate it. I wonder just who came up with those in the first place? :-) Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: w...@umich.edu 72 characters width template -| ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thinkpad audio question
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011, William Bulley wrote: According to Jakub Lach jakub_l...@mailplus.pl on Wed, 09/14/11 at 17:01: I would love to investigate it properly further, however I'm critically low on time, so I can only offer pinout dump with my device.hints at this time, sorry http://pastebin.com/ig54CwT9 good luck, Thanks! But no thanks -- because I got it to work with your T400 hints! :-) You have been most helpful and I really appreciate it. I wonder just who came up with those in the first place? :-) Two things you can do to improve the situation. First, describe the appropriate settings and files on http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ Then write some updates to the man page, or at least describe what is missing, and submit a PR. This can be worthwhile doing just for yourself. If a man page is missing something for me once, chances are I'll hit it again later. Helping others is a side benefit. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thinkpad audio question
It was mav (Alexander Motin), he proposed those hints after I complained that sound stopped working after update. He wondered how I got sound to work in the first place, with hints I had previously. I don't think pushing those specific hints somewhere would be so beneficial, subtle hardware revision could change pin associations. (e.g. Your friend's T500?) I don't think man page is missing something, it's verbose and exhaustive, with 4 examples of hints for various purposes. (The truth is out there! heh.) The problem is, most people don't want (or don't know they need) to swap line-out and speaker functions, to split headphones and mic to separate device etc. They do not know why default pinout is not working as it should, and what they should change. They just want to have headphones and speakers working as intended :) But I'm afraid this can't be directly addressed, as possibilities of default wrong pin associations are endless. If you think otherwise you are free to submit PR as well :) best regards, - Jakub Lach PS. I suspected that If by chance my device.hints will just work, the pedantic engineer in you would be silenced somehow :P -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Thinkpad-audio-question-tp4802936p4805409.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
