Re: Window/File Manager
Hi, pwm runs like a charm on my toshiba tecra 750CDT and is the original tabbed windowmanager (propaganda) ;-) qoute from http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/pwm/: PWM is a rather lightweight window manager for X11. It has the unique feature that multiple client windows can be attached to the same frame. This feature helps keeping windows, especially the numerous xterms, organized. A look at the screenshots below might clarify the idea. Being a lightweight window manager with emphasis on usability, PWM does not have all the features that one might expect from a window manager. Those features are simply unnecessary. PWM does not provide pixmapped themes or other bloated eye candies but has a clean and simple look inspired by BeOS and Motif. There are no icons and frames cannot be iconified, only shaded. Only One True (pointer) focus mode is supported: sloppy. PWM does not even have titlebar buttons and may not be the easiest window manager to get into, most Good Things are not. PWM does have workspaces, menus and Window Maker dockapp support. It has pretty good keyboard support and almost all the functionality is configurable. my own screenshots of pwm can be found at www.vacfu.org/?view=pwm as previously stated, the shell is the most powerful FM. if you still insist on running a FM on low resources it might be worth to giv XFCE a shot (www.xfce.org), it is a very slim desktop environment. good luck, Gustaf Sjoberg On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:53:32 -0600 (CST) Doug Poland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David S. Jackson said: -Original Message- From: Ryan Sommers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 03 Nov 2002 21:55:37 -0600 Subject: Window/File Manager I recently decided to bring my old Presario 1220 our of retirement and make a small toy laptop to play around with. Unfortunately it's only a 200mhz/64mb RAM system with a 2.1gb harddrive. I would like to use X if possible but given the hardware limitations I really can't have a bloated featureful WM or FM and still have a usable laptop (after all if the GUI is slow I might as well install 98SE). What are your favorite ultra-light WM's and/or FMs? I'm just looking for something that does the job, looking nice would be an added benefit but I doubt I'll have a high color depth to play with anyway. I use windowmaker. Quite light and fast. A linux aquaintence of mine recently suggested waimea. It's even lighter and faster than windowmaker and shares a heritage from NextSTEP. I've only played with it for a few minutes, you might want to check it out. -- Regards, Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message -- Gustaf Sjoberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Window/File Manager
-Original Message- From: Ryan Sommers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 03 Nov 2002 21:55:37 -0600 Subject: Window/File Manager I recently decided to bring my old Presario 1220 our of retirement and make a small toy laptop to play around with. Unfortunately it's only a 200mhz/64mb RAM system with a 2.1gb harddrive. I would like to use X if possible but given the hardware limitations I really can't have a bloated featureful WM or FM and still have a usable laptop (after all if the GUI is slow I might as well install 98SE). What are your favorite ultra-light WM's and/or FMs? I'm just looking for something that does the job, looking nice would be an added benefit but I doubt I'll have a high color depth to play with anyway. Fluxbox seems to run fine on every old piece of junk machine I have around here, but there are lighter ones. Still, FB meets my needs on old 486's with 16-24mb RAM. If you need faster than that, I suggest you look at simply using a TTY and a terminal multiplexer like screen. As for a file manager, I haven't used one in almost ten years. The bash command line does everything better than any file manager I've ever seen. If you're looking for a fast and lightweight way to manipulate files, with more power than you will ever use, pick up a book on your favorite shell, such as bash or pdksh or whatever (I'm sure lots of folks here like csh-like shells too!). -- David S. Jackson[EMAIL PROTECTED] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me. I'm afraid of widths. -- Steven Wright To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Window/File Manager
-Original Message- From: Ryan Sommers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 03 Nov 2002 21:55:37 -0600 Subject: Window/File Manager I recently decided to bring my old Presario 1220 our of retirement and make a small toy laptop to play around with. Unfortunately it's only a 200mhz/64mb RAM system with a 2.1gb harddrive. I would like to use X if possible but given the hardware limitations I really can't have a bloated featureful WM or FM and still have a usable laptop (after all if the GUI is slow I might as well install 98SE). What are your favorite ultra-light WM's and/or FMs? I'm just looking for something that does the job, looking nice would be an added benefit but I doubt I'll have a high color depth to play with anyway. ** Others have mentioned Blackbox and fluxbox, which would be my choices (in that order) for window managers. I have also briefly looked at Waimea, but not enough to comment. Re file managers, by far my favorite is rox-filer. The one in ports has a few dependencies, but if you have Linux compatibility enabled you might try just downloading it from its home page and installing it straight. Jud To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Window/File Manager
Ryan - On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Jud wrote: -Original Message- From: Ryan Sommers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 03 Nov 2002 21:55:37 -0600 Subject: Window/File Manager I recently decided to bring my old Presario 1220 our of retirement and make a small toy laptop to play around with. Unfortunately it's only a 200mhz/64mb RAM system with a 2.1gb harddrive. I would like to use X if possible but given the hardware limitations I really can't have a bloated featureful WM or FM and still have a usable laptop (after all if the GUI is slow I might as well install 98SE). I have an anaemic Cyrix/166 box which started with only 16 MBy. FreeBSD's default WM just thrashed - half a minute to see results of any action! What are your favorite ultra-light WM's and/or FMs? I'm just looking for something that does the job, looking nice would be an added benefit but I doubt I'll have a high color depth to play with anyway. I configured 'fvwm2', which is lively and fine, even on that sad box. Supposed to have some degree of KDE compatibility now, but I didn't test that. Configuration is old-style by hand [i.e., text files], but I still remembered a few basics of that. 6-) Sorry - no advice on file managers. - John Mills To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Window/File Manager
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are your favorite ultra-light WM's and/or FMs? I'm just looking for something that does the job, looking nice would be an added benefit but I doubt I'll have a high color depth to play with anyway. You can't go wrong with Blackbox (or fluxbox, which is very similar). It can look as detailed or as simple as you want. I use it on my low spec laptop and workstations. If you want a nice looking theme, I suggest 'AlmostX', but you might want to get rid of some of the gradients in it, as rendering them chew unnecessary CPU power. It's been quite usable on my p120 thinkpad. With a fairly rich configuration, how small is fluxbox's footprint? I just had a peek at fluxbox's source, and I see that gradient shading is done with X pixmaps. If they're cached (by color and/or size?), this is rather memory hungry, no? I run vtwm with a rather rich setup on FreeBSD 4.5-REL-p22, XF86 4.2.0, TrueColor visual, and top shows the following: PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZERES STATETIME WCPUCPU COMMAND 49880 hawkeyd2 0 3092K 2496K select 0:16 0.00% 0.00% vtwm It does cache pixmaps by size and color, but for the most part they're small - titlebar buttons. I use sound effects, too, which are cached by the rplay daemon: PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZERES STATETIME WCPUCPU COMMAND 174 root 2 0 2000K 1460K select 4:15 0.00% 0.00% rplayd So, vtwm's total footprint is about 5.1Mb, about 3.9Mb being resident. How does that fair against fluxbox or blackbox? As X pixmaps are server-cached, how can one [easily] tell how much memory is used for them? As far as file managers go, I would suggest perhaps XFtree from XFce. I've not used every file manager, but I have used this in the past, its been good and has a small footprint. You can assign file associations too. I've used these both in the past, in a sort of hybrid blackbox-xfce manner, and it served me well. Midnight Commander in an xterm. :-) Dave -- Windows: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? FreeBSD: Are you guys coming, or what? To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Window/File Manager
For file managers xterm with your favorite shell and midnight commander (misc/mc). Simple fast, powerful and never have to take your hands off the keyboard. On Sunday 03 November 2002 20:55, Ryan Sommers wrote: I recently decided to bring my old Presario 1220 our of retirement and make a small toy laptop to play around with. Unfortunately it's only a 200mhz/64mb RAM system with a 2.1gb harddrive. I would like to use X if possible but given the hardware limitations I really can't have a bloated featureful WM or FM and still have a usable laptop (after all if the GUI is slow I might as well install 98SE). What are your favorite ultra-light WM's and/or FMs? I'm just looking for something that does the job, looking nice would be an added benefit but I doubt I'll have a high color depth to play with anyway. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Window/File Manager
I use XFCE and rox filer. XFCE is a nice CDE lookalike with a small footprint. -- Glenn Scherb [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/gcscherb Daemon Powered by FreeBSD Windows Free To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Window/File Manager
Ryan, What are your favorite ultra-light WM's and/or FMs? I'm just looking for something that does the job, looking nice would be an added benefit but I doubt I'll have a high color depth to play with anyway. You can't go wrong with Blackbox (or fluxbox, which is very similar). It can look as detailed or as simple as you want. I use it on my low spec laptop and workstations. If you want a nice looking theme, I suggest 'AlmostX', but you might want to get rid of some of the gradients in it, as rendering them chew unnecessary CPU power. It's been quite usable on my p120 thinkpad. As far as file managers go, I would suggest perhaps XFtree from XFce. I've not used every file manager, but I have used this in the past, its been good and has a small footprint. You can assign file associations too. I've used these both in the past, in a sort of hybrid blackbox-xfce manner, and it served me well. Hope this helped, Brett Harris http://careers.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Careers - 1,000's of jobs waiting online for you! To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Window/File Manager
On 03 Nov 2002 21:55:37 -0600 Ryan Sommers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are your favorite ultra-light WM's and/or FMs? I'm just looking for something that does the job, looking nice would be an added benefit but I doubt I'll have a high color depth to play with anyway. without a doubt, blackbox. i like fluxbox, and on my desktop system, i use waimea..but blackbox is more minimal than either, and has *zero* dependencies. even though it's minimal, it can also be configured to be really nice looking, which counts for a lot (to me, anyway). if you want *really* minimal, and don't care much about appearances, i've heard that ratpoison is more than adequate : i've never used it myself, but if you just want a really plain x session, and the ability to view multiple terminals simultaneously, it should be fine. - erk To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Window/File Manager
On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 09:55:37PM -0600, Ryan Sommers wrote: What are your favorite ultra-light WM's and/or FMs? I'm just looking for something that does the job, looking nice would be an added benefit but I doubt I'll have a high color depth to play with anyway. I'm a wm slut, but always come back to fluxbox. It's quite light, and, especially if one adds a patch that has been made, but isn't official, you can do almost everything by keys. I have a page on it, which includes applying the patch to FreeBSD's version, (this patch enables you to bind keys to the RootMenu, which otherwise, has to be done with the mouse) at http://home.nyc.rr.com/computertaijutsu/fluxbox.html (Additionally, it has links to the official fluxbox documentation) :) HTH -- Scott PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 D575 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Spike: Where have you been pet? Drusilla: I went for a walk. I met an old man. I didn't like him, he got stuck in my teeth. msg07563/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
