Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:54:18 -0500 michael copeland said: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:52 PM, prad p...@towardsfreedom.com wrote: i agree now that i think about it. but what about the ipv6?! vi versus Emacs? -- Don Read donr...@sbcglobal.net It's always darkest before the dawn. So if you are going to steal the neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 06:31:42PM -0800, Chris Knight wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Constantin Stalzer constantinstal...@web.de wrote: Hello, can you please remove all search results with the name Constantin Stalzer immediately, so that my name will not be seen on google. thanks in advance...pleasseee Thanks, Greeetz Dear Mr Stalzer, I am sorry to inform you that the very act of sending an email to this list asking for the removal of your name from search results has, in fact, sent the original posting to the top of the Google rankings when searching for Constantin Stalzer. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Constantin+Stalzer%22hl=enclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialhs=MLkfilter=0 At this point, the cat is out of the bag; as we say. By sending an email to this list, your request was not only sent to thousands if individuals, but it was displayed on the pages of countless websites where the content of this mailing list is redisplayed for public access. Those pages will also be indexed by Google over time, raising the Google-Awareness of your name to even higher levels. It would not be absolutely impossible to reverse this process, but I fear it would take an actual act of the Gods. Alas, I can offer no useful advice on how to remove Constantin Stalzer from the search results, and I would be shocked if anyone else could help either. It is simply too late. I am sorry. A useful and helpful response. If after making this type of helpful response, then you went on to comment that trying to picture the process of trying to remove all references that included the name is kind of a funny image, it would not be a dig at the person and their lack of knowledge, but at the image of the impossible quest. jerry -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Wednesday 11 February 2009 01:09:50 Chris Knight wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:50 PM, prad p...@towardsfreedom.com wrote: this is an interesting thing to think about actually. some people try very hard to get high rankings on google, but fail miserably. i looked into websearch optimization some time ago and recall that you can do 'naughty' things like provide an excessive number of irrelevant keywords and get penalized - not sure if something like that could be applied here. Google must be watching... When I originally posted that Google link, this thread was the top item in the search results. Now it is nearly entirely purged from the results. I am impressed by whatever Internet Gods have accomplished this task. -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org One side note about this post. This list is treasure of information floating on a mirror-like sea. To me particularly, it's nice when a properly-time-spaced flame war storm breaks out. A learn a lot from them. It is a delightful chance to see inteligent people debating ideas, where none of them is interrupted while trying to speak. Like I said, when properly-time-spaced, it's a healthy stir-up. Thanks ! -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99,7% winedows FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
Damn, that is the funniest thing I have seen in years. -Chris On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Constantin Stalzer constantinstal...@web.de wrote: Hello, can you please remove all search results with the name Constantin Stalzer immediately, so that my name will not be seen on google. thanks in advance...pleasseee Thanks, Greeetz __ Deutschlands größte Online-Videothek schenkt Ihnen 12.000 Videos!* http://entertainment.web.de/de/entertainment/maxdome/index.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
I am curious to see if the idea is entertained even. --Original Message-- From: Chris Knight Sender: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Feb 10, 2009 16:29 Subject: Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer Damn, that is the funniest thing I have seen in years. -Chris On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Constantin Stalzer constantinstal...@web.de wrote: Hello, can you please remove all search results with the name Constantin Stalzer immediately, so that my name will not be seen on google. thanks in advance...pleasseee Thanks, Greeetz __ Deutschlands größte Online-Videothek schenkt Ihnen 12.000 Videos!* http://entertainment.web.de/de/entertainment/maxdome/index.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 01:29:34PM -0800, Chris Knight wrote: Damn, that is the funniest thing I have seen in years. You might try posting a helpful response instead of trying to be insulting. You might explain to the person, who apparently does not understand the net, that it would be impossible to remove all references with his name because within minutes of it being posted to the list it is mirrored and archived in many many places over which the list manager has no control - in fact does not even know about. One example of those is Google. FreeBSD has no control over what Google stores. But, there are many other sites that input this stuff, mung it according to their interests and make it available on the net. jerry -Chris On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Constantin Stalzer constantinstal...@web.de wrote: Hello, can you please remove all search results with the name Constantin Stalzer immediately, so that my name will not be seen on google. thanks in advance...pleasseee Thanks, Greeetz __ Deutschlands größte Online-Videothek schenkt Ihnen 12.000 Videos!* http://entertainment.web.de/de/entertainment/maxdome/index.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 01:29:34PM -0800, Chris Knight wrote: Damn, that is the funniest thing I have seen in years. You might try posting a helpful response instead of trying to be insulting. You might explain to the person, who apparently does not understand the net, that it would be impossible to remove all references with his name because within minutes of it being posted to the list it is mirrored and archived in many many places over which the list manager has no control - in fact does not even know about. One example of those is Google. FreeBSD has no control over what Google stores. But, there are many other sites that input this stuff, mung it according to their interests and make it available on the net. Many years ago we hosted the original CDDB database (identifies music CDs), and I got at least one complaint from somebody whose name appeared in a song title saying to remove it or else. I have had people ask to remove things from the Mailman archives of lists we host, who backed off when I asked for my normal hourly rate to (a) figure out how pipermail works, and (b) deal with removing their messages. I added that there are hundreds of people receiving these messages around the world who may have them archived as well, not to mention google. I never heard from them again. Bill -- INTERNET: b...@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax:(206) 232-9186 The difference between science and the fuzzy subjects is that science requires reasoning while those other subjects merely require scholarship. -- Robert Heinlein ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Bill Campbell free...@celestial.comwrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 01:29:34PM -0800, Chris Knight wrote: Damn, that is the funniest thing I have seen in years. You might try posting a helpful response instead of trying to be insulting. You might explain to the person, who apparently does not understand the net, that it would be impossible to remove all references with his name because within minutes of it being posted to the list it is mirrored and archived in many many places over which the list manager has no control - in fact does not even know about. One example of those is Google. FreeBSD has no control over what Google stores. But, there are many other sites that input this stuff, mung it according to their interests and make it available on the net. Many years ago we hosted the original CDDB database (identifies music CDs), and I got at least one complaint from somebody whose name appeared in a song title saying to remove it or else. I have had people ask to remove things from the Mailman archives of lists we host, who backed off when I asked for my normal hourly rate to (a) figure out how pipermail works, and (b) deal with removing their messages. I added that there are hundreds of people receiving these messages around the world who may have them archived as well, not to mention google. I never heard from them again. Bill snip i'm not sure why being seen in google is a bad thing. unless you're Mark Rich or something. If you're overly concerned, maybe you could just contact google and they would be willing to suit you for a small fee, perhaps your soul. -- Marlene Dietrich - Most women set out to try to change a man, and when they have changed him they do not like h... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 01:29:34PM -0800, Chris Knight wrote: Damn, that is the funniest thing I have seen in years. You might try posting a helpful response instead of trying to be insulting. I wasn't trying to be insulting. I was trying to be funny. Apparently, you don't know the difference; which is in fact an insult in case you think I was trying to be funny. -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 04:33:26PM -0800, Chris Knight wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 01:29:34PM -0800, Chris Knight wrote: Damn, that is the funniest thing I have seen in years. You might try posting a helpful response instead of trying to be insulting. I wasn't trying to be insulting. I was trying to be funny. Apparently, you don't know the difference; which is in fact an insult in case you think I was trying to be funny. To make fun of someone's ignorance is not humorous. It is offensive and small. jerry -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 04:33:26PM -0800, Chris Knight wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 01:29:34PM -0800, Chris Knight wrote: Damn, that is the funniest thing I have seen in years. You might try posting a helpful response instead of trying to be insulting. I wasn't trying to be insulting. I was trying to be funny. Apparently, you don't know the difference; which is in fact an insult in case you think I was trying to be funny. To make fun of someone's ignorance is not humorous. It is offensive and small. jerry -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org can't you jest about something with someone? you don' t have to be offensive. -- Doug Larson - Instead of giving a politician the keys to the city, it might be better to change the locks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:52 PM, will...@futurecis.com wrote: Let the flaming begin Or continue..meh! --Original Message-- From: michael copeland Sender: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: Jerry McAllister Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Feb 10, 2009 19:50 Subject: Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 04:33:26PM -0800, Chris Knight wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 01:29:34PM -0800, Chris Knight wrote: Damn, that is the funniest thing I have seen in years. You might try posting a helpful response instead of trying to be insulting. I wasn't trying to be insulting. I was trying to be funny. Apparently, you don't know the difference; which is in fact an insult in case you think I was trying to be funny. To make fun of someone's ignorance is not humorous. It is offensive and small. jerry -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org can't you jest about something with someone? you don' t have to be offensive. -- Doug Larson - Instead of giving a politician the keys to the city, it might be better to change the locks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless device no flaming here. -- Bob Hope - I have a wonderful make-up crew. They're the same people restoring the Statue of Liberty. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: To make fun of someone's ignorance is not humorous. It is offensive and small. We are going to have to agree to disagree. It is my opinion that to make fun of someone's _stupidity_ is offensive. Stupidity, like the lack of a sense of humor, is a disability that can not be cured. Ignorance, which is easily cured, is something that we all suffer from time to time and is therefore a more universal point of humor. Cheers, -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Chris Knight boh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: To make fun of someone's ignorance is not humorous. It is offensive and small. We are going to have to agree to disagree. It is my opinion that to make fun of someone's _stupidity_ is offensive. Stupidity, like the lack of a sense of humor, is a disability that can not be cured. Ignorance, which is easily cured, is something that we all suffer from time to time and is therefore a more universal point of humor. Cheers, -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org and if someone is ignorant of their stupidity? -- Doug Larson - Instead of giving a politician the keys to the city, it might be better to change the locks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
Let the flaming begin Or continue..meh! --Original Message-- From: michael copeland Sender: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: Jerry McAllister Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Feb 10, 2009 19:50 Subject: Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 04:33:26PM -0800, Chris Knight wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 01:29:34PM -0800, Chris Knight wrote: Damn, that is the funniest thing I have seen in years. You might try posting a helpful response instead of trying to be insulting. I wasn't trying to be insulting. I was trying to be funny. Apparently, you don't know the difference; which is in fact an insult in case you think I was trying to be funny. To make fun of someone's ignorance is not humorous. It is offensive and small. jerry -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org can't you jest about something with someone? you don' t have to be offensive. -- Doug Larson - Instead of giving a politician the keys to the city, it might be better to change the locks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:16 PM, michael copeland michael.copel...@gmail.com wrote: and if someone is ignorant of their stupidity? Then Gary Larson puts them in a Far Side Comic. :) -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
Score 1 to Chris, nice come-back. Flame on!! --Original Message-- From: Chris Knight Sender: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: michael copeland Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Feb 10, 2009 20:35 Subject: Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:16 PM, michael copeland michael.copel...@gmail.com wrote: and if someone is ignorant of their stupidity? Then Gary Larson puts them in a Far Side Comic. :) -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
Chris Knight wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: To make fun of someone's ignorance is not humorous. It is offensive and small. We are going to have to agree to disagree. I read in a posting recently by a very, very prominent and respected member of the Internet community that agreeing to disagree is very disrespectful. In other words, you are accepting the fact that someone is wrong without finding a solution. Jerry made a very valid point. Jerry has made countless hundreds of posts to this list, many of which are directed at helping the newcomer settle in. _Any_ poking fun at someone whatsoever is unacceptable, and that is non-disputable. It is my opinion that to make fun of someone's _stupidity_ is offensive. Stupidity, like the lack of a sense of humor, is a disability that can not be cured. Ignorance, which is easily cured, is something that we all suffer from time to time and is therefore a more universal point of humor. It is not a point of humour to those who do not know any better. A softer, more gentle approach would be appropriate here. Even if *you* think it is humorous, have you ever known anyone, or had any children with any sort of anxiety issues? I'm sure you haven't, or you wouldn't be arguing with Mr. McAllister, and you surely wouldn't be defending your post. Perhaps by have to agree to disagree means that you will rephrase a response to the OP directly that explains the 'hows' and 'whys' of the non-feasibility of the request... Cheers, Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
Removing the results from Google is simple, removing from ALL search engines however is difficult. Either way this is not FreeBSD's problem. -Original Message- From: will...@futurecis.com Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:52:40 To: michael copelandmichael.copel...@gmail.com; owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org; Jerry McAllisterjerr...@msu.edu Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer Let the flaming begin Or continue..meh! --Original Message-- From: michael copeland Sender: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: Jerry McAllister Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Feb 10, 2009 19:50 Subject: Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 04:33:26PM -0800, Chris Knight wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 01:29:34PM -0800, Chris Knight wrote: Damn, that is the funniest thing I have seen in years. You might try posting a helpful response instead of trying to be insulting. I wasn't trying to be insulting. I was trying to be funny. Apparently, you don't know the difference; which is in fact an insult in case you think I was trying to be funny. To make fun of someone's ignorance is not humorous. It is offensive and small. jerry -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org can't you jest about something with someone? you don' t have to be offensive. -- Doug Larson - Instead of giving a politician the keys to the city, it might be better to change the locks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote: Chris Knight wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: To make fun of someone's ignorance is not humorous. It is offensive and small. We are going to have to agree to disagree. I read in a posting recently by a very, very prominent and respected member of the Internet community that agreeing to disagree is very disrespectful. In other words, you are accepting the fact that someone is wrong without finding a solution. Jerry made a very valid point. Jerry has made countless hundreds of posts to this list, many of which are directed at helping the newcomer settle in. _Any_ poking fun at someone whatsoever is unacceptable, and that is non-disputable. It is my opinion that to make fun of someone's _stupidity_ is offensive. Stupidity, like the lack of a sense of humor, is a disability that can not be cured. Ignorance, which is easily cured, is something that we all suffer from time to time and is therefore a more universal point of humor. It is not a point of humour to those who do not know any better. A softer, more gentle approach would be appropriate here. Even if *you* think it is humorous, have you ever known anyone, or had any children with any sort of anxiety issues? I'm sure you haven't, or you wouldn't be arguing with Mr. McAllister, and you surely wouldn't be defending your post. Perhaps by have to agree to disagree means that you will rephrase a response to the OP directly that explains the 'hows' and 'whys' of the non-feasibility of the request... Cheers, Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org on a side note, i can't believe this has kept going -- Doug Larson - Instead of giving a politician the keys to the city, it might be better to change the locks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009, Chris Knight wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:16 PM, michael copeland michael.copel...@gmail.com wrote: and if someone is ignorant of their stupidity? Then Gary Larson puts them in a Far Side Comic. :) Every person is ignorant about far more things than they understand well, as is well put in the sayings: A man who knows not and knows he knows not is a wise mane. A man who knows not and knows not he knows not is a fool. One of my favorite quotes, which is particularly apt today in light of the ignorance being displayed in D.C. is: It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance. -- Murray N. Rothbard Bill -- INTERNET: b...@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax:(206) 232-9186 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. (Joseph Stalin) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
michael copeland wrote: on a side note, i can't believe this has kept going Either can I. It's a flame-war, and I became part of it (tsk). I just so want this list to be a good place for newcomers as I once was, that I'd rather try to keep the list clean, and very much dislike it when someone tries to challenge the integrity of a very well respected, long term member of the list. This thread is done for me now. Bring back on the IPv6 questions Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Bill Campbell free...@celestial.comwrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009, Chris Knight wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:16 PM, michael copeland michael.copel...@gmail.com wrote: and if someone is ignorant of their stupidity? Then Gary Larson puts them in a Far Side Comic. :) Every person is ignorant about far more things than they understand well, as is well put in the sayings: A man who knows not and knows he knows not is a wise mane. A man who knows not and knows not he knows not is a fool. One of my favorite quotes, which is particularly apt today in light of the ignorance being displayed in D.C. is: It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance. -- Murray N. Rothbard Bill -- INTERNET: b...@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax:(206) 232-9186 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. (Joseph Stalin) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Bob Hope - I have a wonderful make-up crew. They're the same people restoring the Statue of Liberty. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:45 PM, michael copeland michael.copel...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Bill Campbell free...@celestial.comwrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009, Chris Knight wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:16 PM, michael copeland michael.copel...@gmail.com wrote: and if someone is ignorant of their stupidity? Then Gary Larson puts them in a Far Side Comic. :) Every person is ignorant about far more things than they understand well, as is well put in the sayings: A man who knows not and knows he knows not is a wise mane. A man who knows not and knows not he knows not is a fool. One of my favorite quotes, which is particularly apt today in light of the ignorance being displayed in D.C. is: It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance. -- Murray N. Rothbard Bill Bill, it is my firm belief, nee understanding that everyone in D.C is ignorant or more factually, a criminal. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote: michael copeland wrote: on a side note, i can't believe this has kept going Either can I. It's a flame-war, and I became part of it (tsk). I just so want this list to be a good place for newcomers as I once was, that I'd rather try to keep the list clean, and very much dislike it when someone tries to challenge the integrity of a very well respected, long term member of the list. This thread is done for me now. Bring back on the IPv6 questions Steve sure thing buddy. why does ipv6 irritate the hell out of me? :-D i guess its the really odd jump of having to remember the address schematic. an on top of that, i breaks my software so bad that we're dropping some code that has worked for 20 years. but hey, its an improvement right? -- Marlene Dietrich - Most women set out to try to change a man, and when they have changed him they do not like h... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:38:26 -0500 Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote: Jerry made a very valid point. i think so too. assuming that constantin was sincere in his request, a simple explanation as to what the difficulties are would have sufficed. we can personally and/or anonymously find such a thing humorous, but it is probably best not to make mockery of this sort of thing publically. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:52 PM, prad p...@towardsfreedom.com wrote: On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:38:26 -0500 Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote: Jerry made a very valid point. i think so too. assuming that constantin was sincere in his request, a simple explanation as to what the difficulties are would have sufficed. we can personally and/or anonymously find such a thing humorous, but it is probably best not to make mockery of this sort of thing publically. -- In friendship, prad hindsite=20/20 i agree now that i think about it. but what about the ipv6?! Bob Hope - I have a wonderful make-up crew. They're the same people restoring the Statue of Liberty. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote: Chris Knight wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: To make fun of someone's ignorance is not humorous. It is offensive and small. We are going to have to agree to disagree. I read in a posting recently by a very, very prominent and respected member of the Internet community that agreeing to disagree is very disrespectful. In other words, you are accepting the fact that someone is wrong without finding a solution. That is an incredibly narrow minded and arrogant way of looking at things. Opinions are not facts, they are flavors of belief., variances of ethos, and aspects of personalities. What you are saying is that one opinion is right, and that all others are wrong; and in my opinion that is bull excrement. I clearly stated in my earlier post that It is my opinion, and if your assertion is that my opinion is wrong and that yours is right then you really need to see a priest about your god complex. Forget a shrink, you are long past that point. -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:37 PM, will...@futurecis.com wrote: Score 1 to Chris, nice come-back. Flame on!! It is not my intention to flame. I am simply defending my right to make a simple one-liner joke. In my opinion, it is the people who have gone rabidly on the offensive who are trying to incite a flame war. You asked a joke question, and I gave you a joke answer. It's all fun and games until someone shouts HITLER!. -Chris --Original Message-- From: Chris Knight Sender: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: michael copeland Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Feb 10, 2009 20:35 Subject: Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:16 PM, michael copeland michael.copel...@gmail.com wrote: and if someone is ignorant of their stupidity? Then Gary Larson puts them in a Far Side Comic. :) -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless device ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Bill Campbell free...@celestial.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009, Chris Knight wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:16 PM, michael copeland michael.copel...@gmail.com wrote: and if someone is ignorant of their stupidity? Then Gary Larson puts them in a Far Side Comic. :) Every person is ignorant about far more things than they understand well, as is well put in the sayings: So very true, which is why the Far Side is so funny: because it could be any of us. I fondly remember the Midfield School for the Gifted cartoon every time I push on a pull door. :) -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:06:20 -0800 Chris Knight boh...@gmail.com wrote: It is not my intention to flame. that is quite clear and you should not be accused of doing so. I am simply defending my right to make a simple one-liner joke. there is no such right. 'the quality of humor is not strained' You asked a joke question, and I gave you a joke answer. It's all fun and games until someone shouts HITLER!. you have just done so and therefore it is no longer fun and games. time to stop. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 20:49 -0500, michael copeland wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote: michael copeland wrote: on a side note, i can't believe this has kept going Either can I. It's a flame-war, and I became part of it (tsk). I just so want this list to be a good place for newcomers as I once was, that I'd rather try to keep the list clean, and very much dislike it when someone tries to challenge the integrity of a very well respected, long term member of the list. This thread is done for me now. Bring back on the IPv6 questions Steve sure thing buddy. why does ipv6 irritate the hell out of me? :-D i guess its the really odd jump of having to remember the address schematic. an on top of that, i breaks my software so bad that we're dropping some code that has worked for 20 years. but hey, its an improvement right? Would a bridge networking question lighten the mood? :P ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Constantin Stalzer constantinstal...@web.de wrote: Hello, can you please remove all search results with the name Constantin Stalzer immediately, so that my name will not be seen on google. thanks in advance...pleasseee Thanks, Greeetz Dear Mr Stalzer, I am sorry to inform you that the very act of sending an email to this list asking for the removal of your name from search results has, in fact, sent the original posting to the top of the Google rankings when searching for Constantin Stalzer. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Constantin+Stalzer%22hl=enclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialhs=MLkfilter=0 At this point, the cat is out of the bag; as we say. By sending an email to this list, your request was not only sent to thousands if individuals, but it was displayed on the pages of countless websites where the content of this mailing list is redisplayed for public access. Those pages will also be indexed by Google over time, raising the Google-Awareness of your name to even higher levels. It would not be absolutely impossible to reverse this process, but I fear it would take an actual act of the Gods. Alas, I can offer no useful advice on how to remove Constantin Stalzer from the search results, and I would be shocked if anyone else could help either. It is simply too late. I am sorry. -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:31:42 -0800 Chris Knight boh...@gmail.com wrote: By sending an email to this list, your request was not only sent to thousands if individuals, but it was displayed on the pages of countless websites where the content of this mailing list is redisplayed for public access. Those pages will also be indexed by Google over time, raising the Google-Awareness of your name to even higher levels. i find this to be a good response. i hadn't thought of the 'chain-reaction' effects of posting to a list which is well explained in the above. i was also surprised to see that his name comes up at the top of a google search (already!!) though it doesn't show up at all in my clusty or yahoo or excite search at all. anyone know why? possibly, google does things much faster?? It would not be absolutely impossible to reverse this process this is an interesting thing to think about actually. some people try very hard to get high rankings on google, but fail miserably. i looked into websearch optimization some time ago and recall that you can do 'naughty' things like provide an excessive number of irrelevant keywords and get penalized - not sure if something like that could be applied here. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
You asked a joke question, and I gave you a joke answer. It's all fun and games until someone shouts HITLER!. This thread is getting close to fulfilling Godwin's Law. Anyway the signal to noise ratio is decreasing rapidly with this thread. Could everyone please stop (don't reply on-list) -Chris --Original Message-- From: Chris Knight Sender: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: michael copeland Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Feb 10, 2009 20:35 Subject: Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:16 PM, michael copeland michael.copel...@gmail.com wrote: and if someone is ignorant of their stupidity? Then Gary Larson puts them in a Far Side Comic. :) -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless device ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Eitan Adler Security is increased by designing for the way humans actually behave. -Jakob Nielsen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 18:50 -0800, prad wrote: On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:31:42 -0800 Chris Knight boh...@gmail.com wrote: By sending an email to this list, your request was not only sent to thousands if individuals, but it was displayed on the pages of countless websites where the content of this mailing list is redisplayed for public access. Those pages will also be indexed by Google over time, raising the Google-Awareness of your name to even higher levels. i find this to be a good response. i hadn't thought of the 'chain-reaction' effects of posting to a list which is well explained in the above. i was also surprised to see that his name comes up at the top of a google search (already!!) though it doesn't show up at all in my clusty or yahoo or excite search at all. anyone know why? possibly, google does things much faster?? It would not be absolutely impossible to reverse this process this is an interesting thing to think about actually. some people try very hard to get high rankings on google, but fail miserably. i looked into websearch optimization some time ago and recall that you can do 'naughty' things like provide an excessive number of irrelevant keywords and get penalized - not sure if something like that could be applied here. Lists and their webpost (nabble and whatever) counterparts will ensure that the particular phrase, name, whatever gets stored in the google webcrawler from many different areas which raises awareness of the phrase, ergo top of the list in searching. Its not how many times a phrase appears, its how many links relating to the phrase there are. Thats why its hard work- you need to get others to link to your site and the keyword. Thats what google sell in the google ads system: links on other (related) sites. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:50 PM, prad p...@towardsfreedom.com wrote: this is an interesting thing to think about actually. some people try very hard to get high rankings on google, but fail miserably. i looked into websearch optimization some time ago and recall that you can do 'naughty' things like provide an excessive number of irrelevant keywords and get penalized - not sure if something like that could be applied here. Google must be watching... When I originally posted that Google link, this thread was the top item in the search results. Now it is nearly entirely purged from the results. I am impressed by whatever Internet Gods have accomplished this task. -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
