Re: question about posting to FreeBSD mailing lists

2008-06-14 Thread Novembre
RW  mlists.homeunix.com> writes:

>
> gmane.org offers many mailing lists via its news.gmane.org server and
> most of the lists will allow posting. You need a real email address to
> post, because the first one has to verified.
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Great...this is exactly what I needed. Thanks so much :)

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Re: question about posting to FreeBSD mailing lists

2008-06-13 Thread RW
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:12:30 +0200
Tore Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Novembre wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 6:59 AM, Tore Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> > I'm sorry, but I didn't quite get it. Do you mean that if I
> > subscribe to the newsgroup which mirrors the list, and if I answer
> > the question in the newsgroup, then it will be shown properly in
> > the freebsd mailing lists as well? I mean, is the mirroring one way
> > or both-ways?
> 
> The mirroring is one-way only.  What I do in Thunderbird is to hit
> "Reply to All", delete the address lines beginning with "muc*" and add
> the address line "To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org".

gmane.org offers many mailing lists via its news.gmane.org server and 
most of the lists will allow posting. You need a real email address to
post, because the first one has to verified. 
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Re: question about posting to FreeBSD mailing lists

2008-06-12 Thread Andrew Berry

Novembre wrote:

I tried to telnet to smtp.gmail.com, but it didn't work. Is that what you
meant?


Pretty much. The problem you're having is caused partially by being 
unable to manually set headers in many mail clients. If you have a 
server with Sendmail set up which can send outbound email you might be 
able to do it that way as well, by copying the message from the web and 
then sending the whole text instead of just the body.


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Re: question about posting to FreeBSD mailing lists

2008-06-12 Thread Tore Lund
Novembre wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 6:59 AM, Tore Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Novembre wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Is there any way to answer the posts in the mailing lists if one is not
>>> subscribed to the list and does not receive them in his mailbox? From
>> time
>>> to time, I see posts which I can actually answer and contribute to, but
>>> since I'm not subscribed to the lists, even if I post an answer to the
>>> person asking the question and CC it to the list, it doesn't regroup with
>>> other posts on the same topic. Is there any way around this?
>> Besides what Randy wrote, several mailing lists are mirrored to
>> newsgroups.  I subscribe to muc.lists.freebsd.questions, even though I
>> am subscribed to the list.  (I prefer not to receive all that stuff as
>> e-mail.)  When answering a post, I have to edit the addresses, but my
>> answer is then threaded properly.
>> --
>> Tore
> 
> I'm sorry, but I didn't quite get it. Do you mean that if I subscribe to the
> newsgroup which mirrors the list, and if I answer the question in the
> newsgroup, then it will be shown properly in the freebsd mailing lists as
> well? I mean, is the mirroring one way or both-ways?

The mirroring is one-way only.  What I do in Thunderbird is to hit
"Reply to All", delete the address lines beginning with "muc*" and add
the address line "To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org".

I believe you said you were using a browser, so I don't know if what I
describe can be done through some web site.  But it works fine for me in
Thunderbird, and it will probably work fine in any other newsreader.
-- 
Tore

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Re: question about posting to FreeBSD mailing lists

2008-06-12 Thread Novembre
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Andrew Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On 10-Jun-08, at 12:10 AM, Novembre wrote:
>
>  So to be more specific, how can I answer to a post from a mailing list
>> from
>> within my, e.g., GMail or Yahoo! mailboxes?
>>
>
> You might be able to use telnet to open a connection to Google's SMTP
> servers, and paste the entire message, headers included, into the
> transmission. You'd have to know how to manually use SMTP and hope that
> Google accepts email from your machine. You could also look into writing a
> script in (Perl or Python would be good) to allow you to do it yourself, so
> you would have control over most of the headers.
>
> --Andrew




I tried to telnet to smtp.gmail.com, but it didn't work. Is that what you
meant?
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Re: question about posting to FreeBSD mailing lists

2008-06-12 Thread Novembre
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 6:59 AM, Tore Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Novembre wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is there any way to answer the posts in the mailing lists if one is not
> > subscribed to the list and does not receive them in his mailbox? From
> time
> > to time, I see posts which I can actually answer and contribute to, but
> > since I'm not subscribed to the lists, even if I post an answer to the
> > person asking the question and CC it to the list, it doesn't regroup with
> > other posts on the same topic. Is there any way around this?
>
> Besides what Randy wrote, several mailing lists are mirrored to
> newsgroups.  I subscribe to muc.lists.freebsd.questions, even though I
> am subscribed to the list.  (I prefer not to receive all that stuff as
> e-mail.)  When answering a post, I have to edit the addresses, but my
> answer is then threaded properly.
> --
> Tore
>
>


I'm sorry, but I didn't quite get it. Do you mean that if I subscribe to the
newsgroup which mirrors the list, and if I answer the question in the
newsgroup, then it will be shown properly in the freebsd mailing lists as
well? I mean, is the mirroring one way or both-ways?

Thanks :)
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Re: question about posting to FreeBSD mailing lists

2008-06-11 Thread Oliver Fromme
Hello,

Novembre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > The problem is that I don't use any mail client, but the old fashion way of
 > using a web browser to log into my account and read my emails. That's why I
 > asked this question in the first place. Call me paranoid, but I just feel
 > more comfortable that way!
 > So to be more specific, how can I answer to a post from a mailing list from
 > within my, e.g., GMail or Yahoo! mailboxes? Is there any way to use the Raw
 > E-Mail output to send an email from within GMail to the OP and the list so
 > that it's threaded properly as well?

You need to take the "Message-ID" header of the message
that you're replying to, and put it into the "In-Reply-To"
header of your response.  That's what a standard mail
client does when you reply to a message.

The "In-Reply-To" header is used by clients and webmailers
to identify the thread and the order of messages within
that thread.

I've never used Gmail or Yahoo, so I don't know if they
provide a way to manually set the "In-Reply-To" header.
If they don't you're out of luck, I'm afraid.

By the way, I'm in a similar situation:  I'm not subscribed
to the lists, but I read them with a news client via an
NNTP gateway.  That gateway is one-way, i.e. I cannot post
follow-ups to the news groups.  Instead I use the reply-by-
mail function of the news client.  This works well, because
the NNTP gateway sets the "Reply-To" back to the list's
mail address (unless there already was a Reply-To header in
the original mail, which is kept), and I configured my news
client to copy the Message-ID into an In-Reply-To header,
so it works as expected.

Best regards
   Oliver

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Re: question about posting to FreeBSD mailing lists

2008-06-10 Thread Andrew Berry

On 10-Jun-08, at 12:10 AM, Novembre wrote:

So to be more specific, how can I answer to a post from a mailing  
list from

within my, e.g., GMail or Yahoo! mailboxes?


You might be able to use telnet to open a connection to Google's SMTP  
servers, and paste the entire message, headers included, into the  
transmission. You'd have to know how to manually use SMTP and hope  
that Google accepts email from your machine. You could also look into  
writing a script in (Perl or Python would be good) to allow you to do  
it yourself, so you would have control over most of the headers.


--Andrew

Re: question about posting to FreeBSD mailing lists

2008-06-09 Thread Novembre
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Randy Pratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:22:24 -0500
> Novembre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is there any way to answer the posts in the mailing lists if one is not
> > subscribed to the list and does not receive them in his mailbox? From
> time
> > to time, I see posts which I can actually answer and contribute to, but
> > since I'm not subscribed to the lists, even if I post an answer to the
> > person asking the question and CC it to the list, it doesn't regroup with
> > other posts on the same topic. Is there any way around this?
>
> If you are reading the mailing lists via the FreeBSD website
> (http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/current/freebsd-questions.html)
> you can use the "Raw E-Mail" link of a posting to fetch a
> copy and incorporate it into your mail client.
>
> Two common mail formats are pine mail (one file per folder),
> and MH mail (one file per message).  I use Sylpheed which uses
> MH mail format so its quite easy.  I created a folder called
> "Mail/web-list" and fetch the mail directly to it.  The trick
> is to use the next numerical message number, in this example
> "114":
>
>  cd ~/Mail/web-list
>  fetch -R -o 114 '
> http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=422834+0+current/freebsd-questions+raw
> '
>
> It is then possible to just use Sylpheed normally and click
> on "Reply to All".  The mail will be properly threaded for
> the mailing lists.
>
> I've not used the "one file per folder" type of mail client
> in a very long time but I would think that just appending
> the new mail to the end would suffice.
>
> You will need to investigate how your particular mail client
> operates and what format it uses, but what you want to do
> is possible.  I would recommend backing up your mail before
> experimenting and using the test mailing list
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
>
> HTH,
>
> Randy
> --
>

The problem is that I don't use any mail client, but the old fashion way of
using a web browser to log into my account and read my emails. That's why I
asked this question in the first place. Call me paranoid, but I just feel
more comfortable that way!
So to be more specific, how can I answer to a post from a mailing list from
within my, e.g., GMail or Yahoo! mailboxes? Is there any way to use the Raw
E-Mail output to send an email from within GMail to the OP and the list so
that it's threaded properly as well?

I will remember your instructions whenever I started using a mail client.
Maybe I should do it anyway --- how is Claw Mail?

Thanks a lot :)
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Re: question about posting to FreeBSD mailing lists

2008-06-09 Thread Novembre
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:42 AM, Odhiambo Washington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 6:22 AM, Novembre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is there any way to answer the posts in the mailing lists if one is not
> > subscribed to the list and does not receive them in his mailbox? From
> time
> > to time, I see posts which I can actually answer and contribute to, but
> > since I'm not subscribed to the lists, even if I post an answer to the
> > person asking the question and CC it to the list, it doesn't regroup with
> > other posts on the same topic. Is there any way around this?
> >
>
> How do you receive them if you are not subscribed to the list? Some magic?
> What stops you from subscribing?:-)
>
>
> --
> George Burns  - "You can't help getting older, but you don't have to get
> old."
>


Nothing stops me from subscribing to any list, just that I don't like to get
too many emails in my mailbox. In fact, I am subscribed to two of the lists
(x11 and current), but I chose not to get the emails. And I use my web
browser to read the messages, e.g.
http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/current/freebsd-questions.html .
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Re: question about posting to FreeBSD mailing lists

2008-06-09 Thread Tore Lund
Novembre wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is there any way to answer the posts in the mailing lists if one is not
> subscribed to the list and does not receive them in his mailbox? From time
> to time, I see posts which I can actually answer and contribute to, but
> since I'm not subscribed to the lists, even if I post an answer to the
> person asking the question and CC it to the list, it doesn't regroup with
> other posts on the same topic. Is there any way around this?

Besides what Randy wrote, several mailing lists are mirrored to
newsgroups.  I subscribe to muc.lists.freebsd.questions, even though I
am subscribed to the list.  (I prefer not to receive all that stuff as
e-mail.)  When answering a post, I have to edit the addresses, but my
answer is then threaded properly.
-- 
Tore

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Re: question about posting to FreeBSD mailing lists

2008-06-09 Thread Randy Pratt
On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:22:24 -0500
Novembre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Is there any way to answer the posts in the mailing lists if one is not
> subscribed to the list and does not receive them in his mailbox? From time
> to time, I see posts which I can actually answer and contribute to, but
> since I'm not subscribed to the lists, even if I post an answer to the
> person asking the question and CC it to the list, it doesn't regroup with
> other posts on the same topic. Is there any way around this?

If you are reading the mailing lists via the FreeBSD website
(http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/current/freebsd-questions.html)
you can use the "Raw E-Mail" link of a posting to fetch a
copy and incorporate it into your mail client.

Two common mail formats are pine mail (one file per folder),
and MH mail (one file per message).  I use Sylpheed which uses
MH mail format so its quite easy.  I created a folder called
"Mail/web-list" and fetch the mail directly to it.  The trick
is to use the next numerical message number, in this example
"114":

  cd ~/Mail/web-list
  fetch -R -o 114 
'http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=422834+0+current/freebsd-questions+raw'

It is then possible to just use Sylpheed normally and click
on "Reply to All".  The mail will be properly threaded for
the mailing lists.

I've not used the "one file per folder" type of mail client
in a very long time but I would think that just appending
the new mail to the end would suffice.  

You will need to investigate how your particular mail client
operates and what format it uses, but what you want to do
is possible.  I would recommend backing up your mail before
experimenting and using the test mailing list
([EMAIL PROTECTED]).

HTH,

Randy
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Re: question about posting to FreeBSD mailing lists

2008-06-09 Thread Odhiambo Washington
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 6:22 AM, Novembre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there any way to answer the posts in the mailing lists if one is not
> subscribed to the list and does not receive them in his mailbox? From time
> to time, I see posts which I can actually answer and contribute to, but
> since I'm not subscribed to the lists, even if I post an answer to the
> person asking the question and CC it to the list, it doesn't regroup with
> other posts on the same topic. Is there any way around this?
>

How do you receive them if you are not subscribed to the list? Some magic?
What stops you from subscribing?:-)


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