Re: Fix this: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
On 27/05/07, Christian Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 27/05/07, Erik Trulsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 02:38:33AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > [...] > > As I understand it the phrase 'All rights reserved' was required by older > copyright rules but is obsolete these days. > I.e. changing the wording so that 'All rights reserved' applies to both > copyright statements is pointless since it does not have any legal > significance any more. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "(C) - All rights reserved" something entirely different from the BSD License under which FreeBSD is licensed? This license grants it's users some rights very explicitely. I know that I can still be a Copyright owner when I choose to distribute a piece of work under a different license, but can I say that all rights are reserved when I actually do something else? Rightly claiming copyright only witholds certain uses from others. "All rights reserved" was a method of asserting that no rights except explicity allowed were granted, since certain forms of publication can imply certain copying rights (right to backup software, right to transcribe music for personal use) to the "end-user" (indeed, which end?). Any explicit copying rights granted by other statements are, of course, not reserved by the "all rights reserved" phrase. Modern copyright law is so hideously restrictive and explicit and morally indefensable (it "creates sin where none exists") that the phrase "all rights reserved" is deprecated. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Fix this: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
On 27/05/07, Erik Trulsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 02:38:33AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > [...] As I understand it the phrase 'All rights reserved' was required by older copyright rules but is obsolete these days. I.e. changing the wording so that 'All rights reserved' applies to both copyright statements is pointless since it does not have any legal significance any more. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "(C) - All rights reserved" something entirely different from the BSD License under which FreeBSD is licensed? This license grants it's users some rights very explicitely. I know that I can still be a Copyright owner when I choose to distribute a piece of work under a different license, but can I say that all rights are reserved when I actually do something else? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Fix this: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 02:38:33AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Garrett Cooper > > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:04 PM > > To: Kyrre Nygård > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Fix this: The Regents of the University of California. All > > rights reserved. > > > > > > Kyrre Nygård wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > > > Is it possible to change: > > > > > > Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project. > > > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > > > The Regents of the University of California. All rights > > reserved. > > > > > > Over to: > > > > > > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > > > The Regents of the University of California. > > > All rights reserved. > > > > > > If so, how is it done? > > > > > > To have `All rights reserved.' apply to both copyright > > statements, it is necessary to break it down to the next line. It > > would also look a whole lot neater, as the last number of `1994' > > now aligns with the last letter of `reserved' using a monospaced > > font, which ends up looking kind of weird. Trust me on this one. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Kyrre Nygård + mir-visuals.com + snoarc.no > > > > Now why would you want to do that? That's cutting FreeBSD totally out of > > the picture, which isn't correct since they're the copyright owners of > > the FreeBSD project from 1992 to today. > > > > Re-read what he said, Garrett: > > "To have `All rights reserved.' apply to BOTH copyright > statements, it is necessary to break it down to the next line. > > Cutting FreeBSD out would leave ONE, not multiple, copyright lines. > "BOTH" would not apply. He intended the first copyright line to > remain, he just didn't print it. > > He is actually right, and it should be filed as a PR. Gramatically, > right now the all rights reserved line does not apply to the > first copyright line. > > Of course, to be really nitpicky, the (c) should be removed, because > WTPO has already come out and stated that (c) isn't a valid copyright > indicator, you must completely enclose the c in a circle. As I understand it the phrase 'All rights reserved' was required by older copyright rules but is obsolete these days. I.e. changing the wording so that 'All rights reserved' applies to both copyright statements is pointless since it does not have any legal significance any more. -- Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Fix this: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Garrett Cooper > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:04 PM > To: Kyrre Nygård > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Fix this: The Regents of the University of California. All > rights reserved. > > > Kyrre Nygård wrote: > > Hello! > > > > Is it possible to change: > > > > Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project. > > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > > The Regents of the University of California. All rights > reserved. > > > > Over to: > > > > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > > The Regents of the University of California. > > All rights reserved. > > > > If so, how is it done? > > > > To have `All rights reserved.' apply to both copyright > statements, it is necessary to break it down to the next line. It > would also look a whole lot neater, as the last number of `1994' > now aligns with the last letter of `reserved' using a monospaced > font, which ends up looking kind of weird. Trust me on this one. > > > > Thank you, > > Kyrre Nygård + mir-visuals.com + snoarc.no > > Now why would you want to do that? That's cutting FreeBSD totally out of > the picture, which isn't correct since they're the copyright owners of > the FreeBSD project from 1992 to today. > Re-read what he said, Garrett: "To have `All rights reserved.' apply to BOTH copyright statements, it is necessary to break it down to the next line. Cutting FreeBSD out would leave ONE, not multiple, copyright lines. "BOTH" would not apply. He intended the first copyright line to remain, he just didn't print it. He is actually right, and it should be filed as a PR. Gramatically, right now the all rights reserved line does not apply to the first copyright line. Of course, to be really nitpicky, the (c) should be removed, because WTPO has already come out and stated that (c) isn't a valid copyright indicator, you must completely enclose the c in a circle. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Fix this: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
On 27/05/2007, at 1:03 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: Kyrre Nygård wrote: Hello! Is it possible to change: Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Over to: Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. If so, how is it done? To have `All rights reserved.' apply to both copyright statements, it is necessary to break it down to the next line. It would also look a whole lot neater, as the last number of `1994' now aligns with the last letter of `reserved' using a monospaced font, which ends up looking kind of weird. Trust me on this one. Thank you, Kyrre Nygård + mir-visuals.com + snoarc.no Now why would you want to do that? That's cutting FreeBSD totally out of the picture, which isn't correct since they're the copyright owners of the FreeBSD project from 1992 to today. I think the point is to reformat the "all rights reserved" statement, rather than remove a copyright line. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Fix this: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
Kyrre Nygård wrote: Hello! Is it possible to change: Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Over to: Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. If so, how is it done? To have `All rights reserved.' apply to both copyright statements, it is necessary to break it down to the next line. It would also look a whole lot neater, as the last number of `1994' now aligns with the last letter of `reserved' using a monospaced font, which ends up looking kind of weird. Trust me on this one. Thank you, Kyrre Nygård + mir-visuals.com + snoarc.no Now why would you want to do that? That's cutting FreeBSD totally out of the picture, which isn't correct since they're the copyright owners of the FreeBSD project from 1992 to today. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Fix this: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
Hello! Is it possible to change: Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Over to: Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. If so, how is it done? To have `All rights reserved.' apply to both copyright statements, it is necessary to break it down to the next line. It would also look a whole lot neater, as the last number of `1994' now aligns with the last letter of `reserved' using a monospaced font, which ends up looking kind of weird. Trust me on this one. Thank you, Kyrre Nygård + mir-visuals.com + snoarc.no ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 05:50:04AM -0500, David J Brooks wrote: > > The difference for you with untrained eyes is the double spacing after > > the dot instead of the standard single spacing. > > > > I was just curious if there's a reason to this or not. > > Back in the Jurassic era, when typewriters still roamed the earth, it was a > convention to leave a double-space following a period so that the reader > could more easily distinguish the end of a sentence. With the advent of word > processors (and proportional fonts) this double-spacing convention lapsed. For those playing at home, this is called "French spacing": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_spacing_(English) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
On 2006-08-25 19:46, Kyrre Nyg?rd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 12:50 25.08.2006, David J Brooks wrote: > > Back in the Jurassic era, when typewriters still roamed the earth, > > it was a convention to leave a double-space following a period so > > that the reader could more easily distinguish the end of a > > sentence. With the advent of word processors (and proportional > > fonts) this double-spacing convention lapsed. > > > > My guess is that the code for SSH was written by someone who learned > > to type on a typewriter, or was taught by someone who learned to > > type that way. > > I just hope somebody with the know-how can submit a patch. A patch? There's nothing wrong, so why "fix" it :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
At 12:50 25.08.2006, David J Brooks wrote: Back in the Jurassic era, when typewriters still roamed the earth, it was a convention to leave a double-space following a period so that the reader could more easily distinguish the end of a sentence. With the advent of word processors (and proportional fonts) this double-spacing convention lapsed. My guess is that the code for SSH was written by someone who learned to type on a typewriter, or was taught by someone who learned to type that way. David -- Sure the Almighty created the world in only six days, but He didn't have an established user-base. Thanks for the information Mr. Brooks, and I see you messed up the subject line :) I just hope somebody with the know-how can submit a patch. All the best, Kyrre ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
On 2006-08-25 05:50, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Friday 25 August 2006 04:19, Kyrre Nyg?rd wrote: >> Hello! >> >> I am just wondering why it says: >> >> "The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved." >> >> when I log in locally, but: >> >> "The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved." >> >> when I log in via SSH? The difference for you with untrained eyes is the >> double spacing after the dot instead of the standard single spacing. >> >> I was just curious if there's a reason to this or not. > > Back in the Jurassic era, when typewriters still roamed the earth, it was a > convention to leave a double-space following a period so that the reader > could more easily distinguish the end of a sentence. With the advent of word > processors (and proportional fonts) this double-spacing convention lapsed. Which is very unfortunate, since none of the, so called, word "processors" can get it right(TM). Only TeX is a typesetting program that I have found smart enough to deal with properly spacing sentences, without the need for this doubled space character :-( > My guess is that the code for SSH was written by someone who learned to > type on a typewriter, or was taught by someone who learned to type that > way. A lot of people still use non-proportional fonts; especially when reading and/or writing program sources ;-) You really hit the mark with typewriter habits vs. word processors though :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
On Friday 25 August 2006 04:19, Kyrre Nygård wrote: > Hello! > > I am just wondering why it says: > > "The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved." > > when I log in locally, but: > > "The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved." > > when I log in via SSH? The difference for you with untrained eyes is the > double spacing after the dot instead of the standard single spacing. > > I was just curious if there's a reason to this or not. Back in the Jurassic era, when typewriters still roamed the earth, it was a convention to leave a double-space following a period so that the reader could more easily distinguish the end of a sentence. With the advent of word processors (and proportional fonts) this double-spacing convention lapsed. My guess is that the code for SSH was written by someone who learned to type on a typewriter, or was taught by someone who learned to type that way. David -- Sure the Almighty created the world in only six days, but He didn't have an established user-base. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
Hello! I am just wondering why it says: "The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved." when I log in locally, but: "The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved." when I log in via SSH? The difference for you with untrained eyes is the double spacing after the dot instead of the standard single spacing. I was just curious if there's a reason to this or not. Thanks, Kyrre ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
