Re: Thank you for bsdstats!

[Hub- FreeBSD]

Since this may by of interest to others, including those maintaining ports, 
I've just created a dump of the history data for ports and versions reported in 
… not the reporting ports is optional, there appears to only be about 10% of 
the hosts that report in port information …

The dump is available at http://www.bsdstats.org/ports.raw.sql.bz2

it contains a postgresql dump of three tables:

ports, where
id == system id (anonymous data, but let's you group data)
catid == link to port_category (ie. net, www)
sw_id == link to port_software (ie. apache, perl)

the data goes back to '07, so a fair amount of history to look at …

For those unaware of what BSDstats is, check out http://www.bsdstats.org *or* 
/usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats … short summary:

An OptIn only site that accumulates statistics on *BSD related usage … as the 
#s show when you go to the site, it is by no means close to the # of sites 
using *BSD ...

We are averaging over 6k hosts reporting in each month, for 7 different 
variants of *BSD:

  PC-BSD, FreeBSD, DesktopBSD, DragonflyBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD and MidnightBSD 

To participate is a simple 'make install' in /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats … at 
a minimum, just make sure you enable it to run monthly out of periodic … 

The data collected and stored is done so totally anonymously … we collect no IP 
*or* hostname information … each participate gets an Id that is stored in a 
token file that is used for reporting, which also allows the system to work 
through proxy / nat, since the individual ID is generated the first time you 
connect to the system, and used going forward …



On 2011-12-10, at 11:06 PM, Alex Libman wrote:

> Dear BSD Stats Team,
> 
> I just wanted to drop you a line and thank you for bsdstats.  I run it
> on my *BSD installations whenever it is feasible.  I am also wondering
> if it would be possible to access the aggregate data in a raw format.
> I am particularly curious about the ports usage data...
> 
> Best regards,
> Alex Libman

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Re: bsdstats problem?

[Anh Ky Huynh]

On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 15:49:53 -0300 (ADT)
"Marc G. Fournier"  wrote:

> 
> Please try now, tested from here and works fine:

Confirmed :)

> # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/bsdstats.sh start
> Starting bsdstats.
> Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org
> #
> 

> [snip]

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Re: bsdstats problem?

[Chris Whitehouse]

yep working now thanks

Chris

Marc G. Fournier wrote:


Please try now, tested from here and works fine:

# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/bsdstats.sh start
Starting bsdstats.
Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org
#


On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, Chris Whitehouse wrote:


Fbsd8 wrote:

Anh Ky Huynh wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:28:52 +0100
Chris Whitehouse  wrote:


Anyone else having problems with bsdstats?


I have the same problems here.


muji2# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/bsdstats.sh start
Starting bsdstats.
fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/enable_token.php?key=...
No address record
fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/report_system.php?token...
No address record
Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org
fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/disable_token.php?key=...
No address record
...



The bsdstats server is off line. Maybe it's nolonger supported.


Probably is, there was a push to get some things sorted out recently. 
I have cc'd the illustrious leader.


Chris








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Re: bsdstats problem?

[Marc G. Fournier]

Please try now, tested from here and works fine:

# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/bsdstats.sh start
Starting bsdstats.
Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org
#


On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, Chris Whitehouse wrote:


Fbsd8 wrote:

Anh Ky Huynh wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:28:52 +0100
Chris Whitehouse  wrote:


Anyone else having problems with bsdstats?


I have the same problems here.


muji2# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/bsdstats.sh start
Starting bsdstats.
fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/enable_token.php?key=...
No address record
fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/report_system.php?token...
No address record
Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org
fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/disable_token.php?key=...
No address record
...



The bsdstats server is off line. Maybe it's nolonger supported.


Probably is, there was a push to get some things sorted out recently. I have 
cc'd the illustrious leader.


Chris








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Re: bsdstats problem?

[Chris Whitehouse]

Fbsd8 wrote:

Anh Ky Huynh wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:28:52 +0100
Chris Whitehouse  wrote:


Anyone else having problems with bsdstats?


I have the same problems here.


muji2# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/bsdstats.sh start
Starting bsdstats.
fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/enable_token.php?key=...
No address record
fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/report_system.php?token...
No address record
Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org
fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/disable_token.php?key=...
No address record
...



The bsdstats server is off line. Maybe it's nolonger supported.


Probably is, there was a push to get some things sorted out recently. I 
have cc'd the illustrious leader.


Chris




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Re: bsdstats problem?

[Fbsd8]

Anh Ky Huynh wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:28:52 +0100
Chris Whitehouse  wrote:


Anyone else having problems with bsdstats?


I have the same problems here.


muji2# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/bsdstats.sh start
Starting bsdstats.
fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/enable_token.php?key=...
No address record
fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/report_system.php?token...
No address record
Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org
fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/disable_token.php?key=...
No address record
...



The bsdstats server is off line. Maybe it's nolonger supported.
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Re: bsdstats problem?

[Anh Ky Huynh]

On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:28:52 +0100
Chris Whitehouse  wrote:

> Anyone else having problems with bsdstats?

I have the same problems here.

> muji2# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/bsdstats.sh start
> Starting bsdstats.
> fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/enable_token.php?key=...
> No address record
> fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/report_system.php?token...
> No address record
> Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org
> fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/disable_token.php?key=...
> No address record
> ...

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Re: bsdstats problem?

[RW]

On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:28:52 +0100
Chris Whitehouse  wrote:

> Anyone else having problems with bsdstats?

I seem to getting quite a lot of errors going back to the last
reinstall.

(I think the "System disabled" messages are probably a side effect of
running periodic monthly from anacron)



[Sat Dec  5 19:39:42 UTC 2009] Error with fetch to server
[Sat Dec  5 19:39:43 UTC 2009] System report failed, exiting
[Sat Dec  5 19:39:44 UTC 2009] Error with fetch to server
[Sat Dec  5 19:39:44 UTC 2009] System CPU report failed, exiting
[Sat Dec  5 19:39:44 UTC 2009] Error with fetch to server
[Sat Jan  2 19:44:44 UTC 2010] Error with fetch to server
[Sat Jan  2 19:44:47 UTC 2010] System Devices reported
[Sat Jan  2 19:44:49 UTC 2010] Error with fetch to server
[Sat Jan  2 19:44:50 UTC 2010] System disabled
[Sat Jan 30 19:34:30 UTC 2010] System enabled
[Sat Jan 30 19:34:30 UTC 2010] Error with fetch to server
[Sat Jan 30 19:34:31 UTC 2010] System Devices reported
[Sat Jan 30 19:34:32 UTC 2010] Error with fetch to server
[Sat Jan 30 19:34:32 UTC 2010] System disabled
[Sat Feb 27 19:27:06 UTC 2010] Error with fetch to server
[Sat Feb 27 19:27:08 UTC 2010] System report failed, exiting
[Sat Feb 27 19:27:11 UTC 2010] Error with fetch to server
[Sat Feb 27 19:27:13 UTC 2010] Error with fetch to server
[Sat Feb 27 19:27:15 UTC 2010] System disabled
[Sat Mar 27 19:35:18 UTC 2010] Error with fetch to server
[Sat Mar 27 19:35:18 UTC 2010] System report failed, exiting
[Sat Mar 27 19:35:19 UTC 2010] Error with fetch to server
[Sat Mar 27 19:35:20 UTC 2010] System CPU report failed, exiting
[Sat Mar 27 19:35:20 UTC 2010] Error with fetch to server
[Sat Apr 24 19:39:14 BST 2010] Error with fetch to server
[Sat Apr 24 19:39:17 BST 2010] System Devices reported
[Sat Apr 24 19:39:17 BST 2010] Error with fetch to server
[Sat Apr 24 19:39:18 BST 2010] System disabled
[Sat May 22 19:34:30 BST 2010] System enabled
[Sat May 22 19:34:31 BST 2010] System reported
[Sat May 22 19:34:34 BST 2010] Error with fetch to server
[Sat May 22 19:34:36 BST 2010] System CPU reported
[Sat May 22 19:34:37 BST 2010] System disabled
[Sat Jun 19 19:33:35 BST 2010] System report failed, exiting
[Sat Jun 19 19:33:36 BST 2010] System Devices not reported, exiting
[Sat Jun 19 19:33:38 BST 2010] System CPU report failed, exiting
[Sat Jun 19 19:33:39 BST 2010] System disabled





> muji2# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/bsdstats.sh start
> Starting bsdstats.
> fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/enable_token.php?key=...
> No address record
> fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/report_system.php?token...
> No address record
> Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org
> fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/disable_token.php?key=...
> No address record
> muji2# nslookup
>  > bsdstats.org
> Server: 192.168.1.254
> Address:192.168.1.254#53
> 
> Non-authoritative answer:
> Name:   bsdstats.org
> Address: 200.46.204.227
>  > rpt.bsdstats.org
> Server: 192.168.1.254
> Address:192.168.1.254#53
> 
> ** server can't find rpt.bsdstats.org: NXDOMAIN
>  > www.freebsd.org
> Server: 192.168.1.254
> Address:192.168.1.254#53
> 
> Non-authoritative answer:
> Name:   www.freebsd.org
> Address: 69.147.83.33
>  > exit
> 
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bsdstats problem?

[Chris Whitehouse]

Anyone else having problems with bsdstats?

muji2# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/bsdstats.sh start
Starting bsdstats.
fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/enable_token.php?key=...
No address record
fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/report_system.php?token...
No address record
Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org
fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/disable_token.php?key=...
No address record
muji2# nslookup
> bsdstats.org
Server: 192.168.1.254
Address:192.168.1.254#53

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:   bsdstats.org
Address: 200.46.204.227
> rpt.bsdstats.org
Server: 192.168.1.254
Address:192.168.1.254#53

** server can't find rpt.bsdstats.org: NXDOMAIN
> www.freebsd.org
Server: 192.168.1.254
Address:192.168.1.254#53

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:   www.freebsd.org
Address: 69.147.83.33
> exit

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BSDStats: Status Report

[Marc G. Fournier]

News:

Its been almost three weeks since we fixed a bug with the stats collector 
that was causing alot of reportings to get lumped under 'Panama', and our 
numbers are back up (or above) where they were before we effectively 
re-set the statistics.


At the suggestion of one person, we have setup an internal mailing list 
that can be used for bug reports / future developments, so that we do not 
have to deal with a whole bunch of different mailing lists.


To subscribe, please send an email to:

general-subscr...@bsdstats.org

In order to reduce the potential for spam, this is a closed list ... you 
have to be subscribed to post to it ...


===

Status:

As of this posting, we are getting reports in from all the *BSD variants:

  PCBSD  4 872
  FreeBSD1 627
  DesktopBSD   154
  NetBSD43
  OpenBSD   15
  DragonflyBSD  14
  MidnightBSD3
  MirBSD 3


Country wise, we are seeing reports from 102 countries, with the top 10 
countries currently being:


  United States  1 421 (popular: PCBSD)
  Russian Federation   648 (popular: PCBSD)
  Germany  459 (popular: PCBSD)
  Panama   451 (popular: FreeBSD)
  Australia328 (popular: FreeBSD)
  Ukraine  307 (popular: PCBSD)
  Japan232 (popular: PCBSD)
  United Kingdom   190 (popular: PCBSD)
  Italy174 (popular: PCBSD)
  France   169 (popular: PCBSD)


For more information on the project, please visit http://www.bsdstats.org

The sites includes basic instructions for installing / running on the 
various *BSDs ...


If you have any problems, please let me know ...


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Re: BSDStats: Project Status on May 13th, 2010

[Jorge Medina]

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Marc G. Fournier  wrote:
>
> Status:
>
>  Over the past two weeks, there has been alot of work performed on the
> backend, including fixing a few "bugs" that were recently reported.
>
>  As a result of using HAProxy to load balance and help ensure uptime for
> reporting clients, someone recently reported that although their sent in
> their report, their country wasn't going up in the 'Countries' states.
>
>  This bug has been fixed (HAProxy was reporting Proxy IP vs Client IP) and
> we reset the stats period to 1st of May, causing a sharp drop in #s that has
> slowly been climbing back up again.
>
>  The result of the change is that now Panama isn't the largest distribution
> of PC-BSD anymore, but the USofA is back in that lead, with Russia quickly
> following.
>
> Stats Summary:
>
> As of May 13th, 2010 (based on reporting ~2 weeks of reporting period since
> fix) , the project has 3 733 hosts that have reported in, broken down as
> follows:
>
>         PC-BSD            2 357 hosts
>         FreeBSD           1 243 hosts
>         DesktopBSD           78 hosts
>         NetBSD               34 hosts
>         OpenBSD              12 hosts
>         DragonFly             9 hosts
>         MirBSD                0 hosts
>         MidnightBSD           0 hosts
>         GNU/kFreeBSD          0 hosts
>
> We currently have hosts being reported in from 88 countries, with the top 10
> being:
>
>         United States             752
>         Panama                    332
>         Russian Federation        332
>         Australia                 271
>         Germany                   204
>         Ukraine                   173
>         Japan                     121
>         Canada                    101
>         Brazil                     89
>         United Kingdom             89
>
> Project URL: http://www.bsdstats.org
>
> Project Objective:
>
> "The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy
> and marketing of the *BSD operating systems."
>
> PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to
> enabled, while the rest have to be enabled manually.
>
> For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to
> set things up.
>
> There is now a man page / document that has been created, that contains a
> full description of the project, as well as the steps we take to ensure the
> anonymity of those reporting while maintaining the individuality of the
> reporting machines.  This can be found at:
>
>        http://www.bsdstats.org/bsdstats-8.html
>
> Project Uptime:
>
> In the beginning, there were issues with accessibility of the servers, due
> to only having one reporting server.  We have since moved to a distributed
> cluster using HAProxy to load balance between two physical servers, with a
> third one coming online soon.  http://www.bsdstats.org isn't running on this
> new cluster yet, but work is underway to get that moved over as well, which
> we hope to have accomplished over the next couple of days.
>
> If you have any questions, please feel free to email me ...


But I'm sending my stats. in Chilean country mark only one system,
those system are there previously to I send my stats

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BSDStats: Project Status on May 13th, 2010

[Marc G. Fournier]

Status:

  Over the past two weeks, there has been alot of work performed on the 
backend, including fixing a few "bugs" that were recently reported.


  As a result of using HAProxy to load balance and help ensure uptime for 
reporting clients, someone recently reported that although their sent in 
their report, their country wasn't going up in the 'Countries' states.


  This bug has been fixed (HAProxy was reporting Proxy IP vs Client IP) 
and we reset the stats period to 1st of May, causing a sharp drop in #s 
that has slowly been climbing back up again.


  The result of the change is that now Panama isn't the largest 
distribution of PC-BSD anymore, but the USofA is back in that lead, with 
Russia quickly following.


Stats Summary:

As of May 13th, 2010 (based on reporting ~2 weeks of reporting period 
since fix) , the project has 3 733 hosts that have reported in, broken 
down as follows:


 PC-BSD2 357 hosts
 FreeBSD   1 243 hosts
 DesktopBSD   78 hosts
 NetBSD   34 hosts
 OpenBSD  12 hosts
 DragonFly 9 hosts
 MirBSD0 hosts
 MidnightBSD   0 hosts
 GNU/kFreeBSD  0 hosts

We currently have hosts being reported in from 88 countries, with the top 
10 being:


 United States 752
 Panama332
 Russian Federation332
 Australia 271
 Germany   204
 Ukraine   173
 Japan 121
 Canada101
 Brazil 89
 United Kingdom 89

Project URL: http://www.bsdstats.org

Project Objective:

"The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy 
and marketing of the *BSD operating systems."


PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to 
enabled, while the rest have to be enabled manually.


For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats 
to set things up.


There is now a man page / document that has been created, that contains 
a full description of the project, as well as the steps we take to 
ensure the anonymity of those reporting while maintaining the 
individuality of the reporting machines.  This can be found at:


http://www.bsdstats.org/bsdstats-8.html

Project Uptime:

In the beginning, there were issues with accessibility of the servers, due 
to only having one reporting server.  We have since moved to a distributed 
cluster using HAProxy to load balance between two physical servers, with a 
third one coming online soon.  http://www.bsdstats.org isn't running on 
this new cluster yet, but work is underway to get that moved over as well, 
which we hope to have accomplished over the next couple of days.


If you have any questions, please feel free to email me ...


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Re: BSDstats website displaying data incorrectly

[Marc G. Fournier]

Just to elaborate on the issue ... it looks like both of those pages are 
using different QUERIES to the database ... in the former, it is using a 
system view that I was able to update after we fixed the issue with 
country reporting, such that it doesn't show records older then that date 
... the latter page is pulling the data via a different method (which 
Bobby is looking into) so that its actually pulling in older date (ie. a 
two months average vs just the past 10 days or so) ...


Both are accurate, just different time periods ...

On Sun, 9 May 2010, Bobby Walker wrote:



On May 9, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Aiza wrote:


Bobby Walker wrote:



On Thu, 6 May 2010, Fbsd1 wrote:

Why does this page show PCBSD has count of 387
http://www.bsdstats.org/bt/home.html?os=
And this page shows PCBSD has count of 1307
http://www.bsdstats.org/bt/home.html?os=PC-BSD
Why is this? I would think both should show the same value, or you
better add explanation to the web page why the count is different.

This was a database setup problem, and I've updated the code to pull out of the 
proper database.   if anyone notices any other discrepancies please let me know.
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Why does
http://www.bsdstats.org/
and
http://bsdstats.hub.org/bt/home.html?os=FreeBSD
still show different counts if you fixed this problem?


I made the correction on the development site and did not have any issues.  In 
fact, I still don't have problems with it at all.  On the live site, though, 
there's something amiss with the way the template system is interacting with 
the database.  So, I'm trying to track down the problem.

Here are my temporary hurdles, I'm still wading through the template system.  
The more familiar I get with the layout of that, the faster things seem to go.  
And I usually get an hour or so a day to work with it.  But, I am plugging away 
at it.

I'll post an update when I isolate the erroneous problems.  Thanks for the 
heads up!

-- Bobby


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Re: BSDstats website displaying data incorrectly

[Bobby Walker]

On May 9, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Aiza wrote:

> Bobby Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, 6 May 2010, Fbsd1 wrote:
 Why does this page show PCBSD has count of 387
 http://www.bsdstats.org/bt/home.html?os=
 And this page shows PCBSD has count of 1307
 http://www.bsdstats.org/bt/home.html?os=PC-BSD
 Why is this? I would think both should show the same value, or you
 better add explanation to the web page why the count is different.
>> This was a database setup problem, and I've updated the code to pull out of 
>> the proper database.   if anyone notices any other discrepancies please let 
>> me know.
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> Why does
> http://www.bsdstats.org/
> and
> http://bsdstats.hub.org/bt/home.html?os=FreeBSD
> still show different counts if you fixed this problem?

I made the correction on the development site and did not have any issues.  In 
fact, I still don't have problems with it at all.  On the live site, though, 
there's something amiss with the way the template system is interacting with 
the database.  So, I'm trying to track down the problem.

Here are my temporary hurdles, I'm still wading through the template system.  
The more familiar I get with the layout of that, the faster things seem to go.  
And I usually get an hour or so a day to work with it.  But, I am plugging away 
at it.

I'll post an update when I isolate the erroneous problems.  Thanks for the 
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Re: BSDstats website displaying data incorrectly

[Aiza]

Bobby Walker wrote:



On Thu, 6 May 2010, Fbsd1 wrote:

Why does this page show PCBSD has count of 387
http://www.bsdstats.org/bt/home.html?os=
And this page shows PCBSD has count of 1307
http://www.bsdstats.org/bt/home.html?os=PC-BSD
Why is this? I would think both should show the same value, or you
better add explanation to the web page why the count is different.


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proper database.   if anyone notices any other discrepancies please let me know.

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Why does
http://www.bsdstats.org/
and
http://bsdstats.hub.org/bt/home.html?os=FreeBSD
still show different counts if you fixed this problem?

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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Marc G. Fournier]

On Sun, 9 May 2010, Chad Perrin wrote:


On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 02:56:49PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:


Maybe some sort of 'Server Running *BSD' icon / link from web sites to
bsdstats.org would help too ...


Not all BSD Unix systems are servers.


True, but, then again, few desktops users probably run web servers to 
display such an icon on :)


But, that said, we're looking at something like either 'Member of' or 
'Contributor to' instead ...



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Re: Addition to BSDstats

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On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 02:56:49PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> 
> Maybe some sort of 'Server Running *BSD' icon / link from web sites to 
> bsdstats.org would help too ...

Not all BSD Unix systems are servers.

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Re: BSDstats website displaying data incorrectly

[Bobby Walker]

 
 
> >>>
>  On Thu, 6 May 2010, Fbsd1 wrote:
> > Why does this page show PCBSD has count of 387
> > http://www.bsdstats.org/bt/home.html?os=
> > And this page shows PCBSD has count of 1307
> > http://www.bsdstats.org/bt/home.html?os=PC-BSD
> > Why is this? I would think both should show the same value, or you
> > better add explanation to the web page why the count is different.

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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Marc G. Fournier]

Actually: "Contributor to BSDStats" sounds better / easier to understand

On Fri, 7 May 2010, Marc G. Fournier wrote:



Maybe some sort of 'Server Running *BSD' icon / link from web sites to 
bsdstats.org would help too ...


On Fri, 7 May 2010, Chip Camden wrote:


I like that idea.

On May 07 2010 09:37, Fbsd1 wrote:

Marc G. Fournier wrote:

On Thu, 6 May 2010, Robert Huff wrote:



The problem with not including bsdstats in sysinstall or some
other means of bringing it to peoples attention is that it gets
forgotten and loses its effectiveness. Maybe it could go in the
 monthly subscription list reminder.





I think everyone agrees that bsdstats needs more visibility right from
the virgin install. Since its not appropriate to include bsdstats in the
sysinstall program. How about getting the RELEASE team to change the
content of the default logon message of the day /etc/motd, to advocacy
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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Marc G. Fournier]

I was just thinking about it, and one point that I don't know if I've ever 
made (or haven't made in awhile) is that BSDStats looks at who is *using* 
a *BSD variant, not who *was* ... it relies on being run *at least* once a 
month for a server to be counted ... if you run it once and never run it 
again, you only count for that *period*, but fall off the radar relatively 
quickly.


Basically, if someone installed FreeBSD 2 years ago, installed the port 
and then switched to Linux a year later, even though they are still listed 
in the system, they are not part of the 'current' states, as they are no 
longer reporting ...


That is why the initial install puts it into 
/usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly, so that it hopefully gets run *at least* 
at the beginning of each month ... it can be run more often over the 
month, it will still count as *1* install, but it needs to be run *at 
least* once a month for a machine to continue to be counted ...



On Fri, 7 May 2010, Marc G. Fournier wrote:



Maybe some sort of 'Server Running *BSD' icon / link from web sites to 
bsdstats.org would help too ...


On Fri, 7 May 2010, Chip Camden wrote:


I like that idea.

On May 07 2010 09:37, Fbsd1 wrote:

Marc G. Fournier wrote:

On Thu, 6 May 2010, Robert Huff wrote:



The problem with not including bsdstats in sysinstall or some
other means of bringing it to peoples attention is that it gets
forgotten and loses its effectiveness. Maybe it could go in the
 monthly subscription list reminder.





I think everyone agrees that bsdstats needs more visibility right from
the virgin install. Since its not appropriate to include bsdstats in the
sysinstall program. How about getting the RELEASE team to change the
content of the default logon message of the day /etc/motd, to advocacy
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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Marc G. Fournier]

Maybe some sort of 'Server Running *BSD' icon / link from web sites to 
bsdstats.org would help too ...


On Fri, 7 May 2010, Chip Camden wrote:


I like that idea.

On May 07 2010 09:37, Fbsd1 wrote:

Marc G. Fournier wrote:

On Thu, 6 May 2010, Robert Huff wrote:



The problem with not including bsdstats in sysinstall or some
other means of bringing it to peoples attention is that it gets
forgotten and loses its effectiveness. Maybe it could go in the
 monthly subscription list reminder.





I think everyone agrees that bsdstats needs more visibility right from
the virgin install. Since its not appropriate to include bsdstats in the
sysinstall program. How about getting the RELEASE team to change the
content of the default logon message of the day /etc/motd, to advocacy
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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Chip Camden]

I like that idea.

On May 07 2010 09:37, Fbsd1 wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> >On Thu, 6 May 2010, Robert Huff wrote:
> >>
> >>> The problem with not including bsdstats in sysinstall or some
> >>> other means of bringing it to peoples attention is that it gets
> >>> forgotten and loses its effectiveness. Maybe it could go in the 
> >>>  monthly subscription list reminder.
> >>
> 
> 
> I think everyone agrees that bsdstats needs more visibility right from 
> the virgin install. Since its not appropriate to include bsdstats in the 
> sysinstall program. How about getting the RELEASE team to change the 
> content of the default logon message of the day /etc/motd, to advocacy 
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Re: Addition to BSDstats

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Marc G. Fournier wrote:

On Thu, 6 May 2010, Robert Huff wrote:



 The problem with not including bsdstats in sysinstall or some
 other means of bringing it to peoples attention is that it gets
 forgotten and loses its effectiveness. Maybe it could go in the 

>>>  monthly subscription list reminder.





I think everyone agrees that bsdstats needs more visibility right from 
the virgin install. Since its not appropriate to include bsdstats in the 
sysinstall program. How about getting the RELEASE team to change the 
content of the default logon message of the day /etc/motd, to advocacy 
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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Marc G. Fournier]

On Thu, 6 May 2010, Robert Huff wrote:



Chris Whitehouse writes:


 The problem with not including bsdstats in sysinstall or some
 other means of bringing it to peoples attention is that it gets
 forgotten and loses its effectiveness. What about a monthly (3
 monthly, whatever) reminder saying what bsdstats is about and the
 reasons for installing it. Maybe it could go in the monthly list
 subscription reminder.


As part of the installation process, offer to add a crontab
entry?


The problem, as I get from Randi, isn't adding the crontab entry (its not 
required anyway), but that since 300.statistics isn't in 
/etc/periodic/monthly by default, sysinstall would have to do a pkg_add of 
the port to get it installed first, *then* add the appropriate entries to 
both /etc/periodic.conf and /etc/rc.conf so that it runs ...


The latter two are doable, but havin to do a pkg_add seems to be the part 
that is being frowned on ...



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Re: Addition to BSDstats

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Chris Whitehouse writes:

>  The problem with not including bsdstats in sysinstall or some
>  other means of bringing it to peoples attention is that it gets
>  forgotten and loses its effectiveness. What about a monthly (3
>  monthly, whatever) reminder saying what bsdstats is about and the
>  reasons for installing it. Maybe it could go in the monthly list
>  subscription reminder.

As part of the installation process, offer to add a crontab
entry?


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Re: Addition to BSDstats

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Marc G. Fournier wrote:

On Wed, 5 May 2010, Randi Harper wrote:


I wouldn't want to add an option to sysinstall for this unless 
bsdstats was part of base.


nobody would appreciate (and outcry would be heavy) if someone were to 
add an 'opt-out phone home script' that they didn't consciously enable ...


The problem with not including bsdstats in sysinstall or some other 
means of bringing it to peoples attention is that it gets forgotten and 
loses its effectiveness. What about a monthly (3 monthly, whatever) 
reminder saying what bsdstats is about and the reasons for installing 
it. Maybe it could go in the monthly list subscription reminder. (And 0T 
I would also include a reminder about Manolis XFCE DVD project)


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Re: Addition to BSDstats

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On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Randi Harper  wrote:

>
> This idea was mentioned a few years as a way to improve advocacy
>> statistics. Something short and sweet, with a one or two line explanation
>> encouraging people to install the BSDStats system. If it were a yes/no
>> option similar to the "Would you like to install Linux Compatibility" then
>> it would be a no brainer.  Honestly this seems relatively unobtrusive and
>> quite logical.
>>
>
> You're right, it is just for advocacy statistics. bsdstats is not an
> integral part of system operation. We prompt for Linux Compatibility because
> it could be needed for technical reasons. While advocacy is certainly
> important, the installer needs to be simplified, not complicated even more
> with unnecessary options and menus.
>

It could be placed in the yes/no questions at the end of the install.
Debian does something similar.

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Re: Addition to BSDstats

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mikel king wrote:


On May 5, 2010, at 10:55 PM, Randi Harper wrote:


Marc G. Fournier wrote:

On Wed, 5 May 2010, Chris Whitehouse wrote:

I seem to have probs with mine too. I was under the impression that 
bsdstats was installed by default (in the base system?)


There has been talk about adding it as an option to sysinstall, but, 
unfortunately, I don't have enough knowledge of sysinstall to add 
it, and nobody else has step'd forward that does ... the idea wasn't 
to auto-install/enable, but to make it more visible while you are 
installing ...


Anyone out there able to do this ... ?


I have not heard any talk about this up until this email. I wouldn't 
want to add an option to sysinstall for this unless bsdstats was part 
of base. If it were, this would be trivial, but I don't really want 
to pop up any optional package menus other than what already exists.


-- randi


This idea was mentioned a few years as a way to improve advocacy 
statistics. Something short and sweet, with a one or two line 
explanation encouraging people to install the BSDStats system. If it 
were a yes/no option similar to the "Would you like to install Linux 
Compatibility" then it would be a no brainer.  Honestly this seems 
relatively unobtrusive and quite logical. 
You're right, it is just for advocacy statistics. bsdstats is not an 
integral part of system operation. We prompt for Linux Compatibility 
because it could be needed for technical reasons. While advocacy is 
certainly important, the installer needs to be simplified, not 
complicated even more with unnecessary options and menus.


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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Marc G. Fournier]

On Wed, 5 May 2010, Randi Harper wrote:


Marc G. Fournier wrote:

On Wed, 5 May 2010, Chris Whitehouse wrote:

I seem to have probs with mine too. I was under the impression that 
bsdstats was installed by default (in the base system?)


There has been talk about adding it as an option to sysinstall, but, 
unfortunately, I don't have enough knowledge of sysinstall to add it, and 
nobody else has step'd forward that does ... the idea wasn't to 
auto-install/enable, but to make it more visible while you are installing 
...


Anyone out there able to do this ... ?


I have not heard any talk about this up until this email.


Its been brought up a few times over the past couple of years ...

I wouldn't want to add an option to sysinstall for this unless bsdstats 
was part of base.


Since it is just a script that was designed specifically so that it 
doesn't require any other ports to be installed, *in theory* it could just 
be dump'd into /etc/periodic/monthly without any issues ...


But, if it were ... unlike PC-BSD, it would have to be opt-in, not opt-out 
... based on all of the discussions in the past, and I agree, nobody would 
appreciate (and outcry would be heavy) if someone were to add an 'opt-out 
phone home script' that they didn't consciously enable ...




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Re: BSDstats website displaying data incorrectly

[Marc G. Fournier]

On Thu, 6 May 2010, Fbsd1 wrote:



Why does this page show PCBSD has count of 387
http://www.bsdstats.org/bt/home.html?os=

And this page shows PCBSD has count of 1307
http://www.bsdstats.org/bt/home.html?os=PC-BSD

Why is this? I would think both should show the same value, or you 
better add explanation to the web page why the count is different.


As was explained earlier, normal operation looks at the past couple of 
months, to deal with cases, where, for instance, someone has it set to 
only report on reboot, but not monthly ... due to the countries issue that 
you pointed out, I made a slight change while things restabilize so that 
it is only showing this month's stats ... I will expand it again as the 
old data for countries fades away ...


The descrepancy above is due to the sub-OS pages not using the same DB 
query as the upper one, and as I didn't do the web front end, and the 
person who did is no longer around, I have to figure out *how* the code he 
wrote works, especially for those sub pages (template system, as there is 
no "/bt/" file system *on* the server ...


As to the rest ... especially the comments about the web site itself ... 
feel like stepping into the breach on that one?  I have no creative talent 
for doing a web page, which is why I recruited someone way back when ...



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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[mikel king]

On May 5, 2010, at 10:55 PM, Randi Harper wrote:


Marc G. Fournier wrote:

On Wed, 5 May 2010, Chris Whitehouse wrote:

I seem to have probs with mine too. I was under the impression  
that bsdstats was installed by default (in the base system?)


There has been talk about adding it as an option to sysinstall,  
but, unfortunately, I don't have enough knowledge of sysinstall to  
add it, and nobody else has step'd forward that does ... the idea  
wasn't to auto-install/enable, but to make it more visible while  
you are installing ...


Anyone out there able to do this ... ?


I have not heard any talk about this up until this email. I wouldn't  
want to add an option to sysinstall for this unless bsdstats was  
part of base. If it were, this would be trivial, but I don't really  
want to pop up any optional package menus other than what already  
exists.


-- randi


This idea was mentioned a few years as a way to improve advocacy  
statistics. Something short and sweet, with a one or two line  
explanation encouraging people to install the BSDStats system. If it  
were a yes/no option similar to the "Would you like to install Linux  
Compatibility" then it would be a no brainer.  Honestly this seems  
relatively unobtrusive and quite logical.



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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Randi Harper]

Marc G. Fournier wrote:

On Wed, 5 May 2010, Chris Whitehouse wrote:

I seem to have probs with mine too. I was under the impression that 
bsdstats was installed by default (in the base system?)


There has been talk about adding it as an option to sysinstall, but, 
unfortunately, I don't have enough knowledge of sysinstall to add it, 
and nobody else has step'd forward that does ... the idea wasn't to 
auto-install/enable, but to make it more visible while you are 
installing ...


Anyone out there able to do this ... ?


I have not heard any talk about this up until this email. I wouldn't 
want to add an option to sysinstall for this unless bsdstats was part of 
base. If it were, this would be trivial, but I don't really want to pop 
up any optional package menus other than what already exists.


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BSDstats website displaying data incorrectly

[Fbsd1]

Why does this page show PCBSD has count of 387
http://www.bsdstats.org/bt/home.html?os=

And this page shows PCBSD has count of 1307
http://www.bsdstats.org/bt/home.html?os=PC-BSD

Why is this? I would think both should show the same value, or you 
better add explanation to the web page why the count is different.



And that little selection box on the home page should have some 
explanation of its function. Just sticking it there on the right side of 
the page above the titles hoping someone will fall into it is not user 
friendly.


What is going on with the "release stats"? What are you showing there?
Is that just for Freebsd? If so then the count is incorrect. This should 
be showing the count for each release under each operating system. IE. 
what release are in use for freebsd, netbsd, openbsd ect.


Website also needs explanation of the time frame being reported. Are the 
values shows as of the the first day of the current month? In general 
the website does not explain much of anything about what is being shown. 
 Put a lot more text describing the overall process and the reporting 
cycle. Also think some kind of operating system monthly growth chart 
over time is needed. Say going back 3 years to current.


The current website is way to passive in the way things are worded. Try 
to inspire people to show their loyalty, allegiance, and devotion by 
running the bsdstats client to anonymously report their usage to the 
benefit of everyone. Developers donate large amounts of their personal 
free time working on the operating systems, the least the users can do 
is fulfill their obligation to demonstrate their gratitude to the 
developers by running bsdstats. Emphasize the reporting is anonymously. 
Website needs to promote it self more. Get on the home page of all the 
different BSD systems. Try to become a default part of the BSD systems 
basic release. Like PCbsd does. Not option to go get it and turn it on, 
but all ready there with option to turn off if desired. This is only 
self promotion of the individual operating systems and should be 
something they should be interested in doing.



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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Marc G. Fournier]

On Wed, 5 May 2010, Chris Whitehouse wrote:

I seem to have probs with mine too. I was under the impression that 
bsdstats was installed by default (in the base system?)


There has been talk about adding it as an option to sysinstall, but, 
unfortunately, I don't have enough knowledge of sysinstall to add it, and 
nobody else has step'd forward that does ... the idea wasn't to 
auto-install/enable, but to make it more visible while you are installing 
...


Anyone out there able to do this ... ?

so for a very 

long time I haven't installed it. Obviously I was wrong.

So I've just installed from ports then run:

muji2# /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay
fetch: 
http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/getid.php?key=: 
Connection refused

Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org

(Not sure if publishing the key is a security risk so replacing it with x's)

A bit later

muji2# /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay
Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org

But www.bsdstats.org/bt/countries.html is still showing only 3 FreeBSD in UK. 
Will it right itself later?


BTW, I can't get the Ports Stats page on the website.

Chris





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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Marc G. Fournier]

On Wed, 5 May 2010, Chris Hill wrote:

Since we're on the topic, and in light of Fbsd1's recent adventure... 
Panama seems awfully high in the country stats. I understand what you 
said upthread about haproxy being in Panama, but it's a small country to 
be always at the top; maybe there's some way to differentiate between 
"really in Panama" and "don't know"? It also seems odd that I, 
personally, as a home user, should be responsible for about 3% of the 
bsdstats-reporting FreeBSD machines in the US. (3 hosts out of 101)


You will see those numbers dropping over the course of the month ... if 
ppl out there are reading this and wish to help 'fix the numbers', just 
run:


/usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay

to update their records with the right country vs Panama, and you'll see 
it change quickly ... you'll even notice that the overall numbers right 
now are quick low, as I narrowed down the view to just 'so far this 
month' to help bring down the Panama skew, so there is no overlap right 
now with last month ...


The PC-BSD #s are the ones that really skew'd those numbers up though, 
since theirs is auto-installed and always up to date, so unlike alot of 
FBSD users that have old versions installed pointing directly to the 
physical server, the PC-BSD ones were pointing to the load balancer ... 
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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Marc G. Fournier]

On Wed, 5 May 2010, Chris Whitehouse wrote:


Marc G. Fournier wrote:


can you tell me two things:

nslookup rpt.bsdstats.org

and the contents of /var/db/bsdstats


I seem to have probs with mine too. I was under the impression that bsdstats 
was installed by default (in the base system?) so for a very long time I 
haven't installed it. Obviously I was wrong.


So I've just installed from ports then run:

muji2# /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay
fetch: 
http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/getid.php?key=: 
Connection refused

Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org


That one would be a result of the change(s) I made last night to deal with 
everything being recorded as 'Country == Panama' ... it waas a DNS change 
that took a bit to propogate out ...


But www.bsdstats.org/bt/countries.html is still showing only 3 FreeBSD in UK. 
Will it right itself later?


Can you send me your key?  Its still showing just 3 FBSD, but that page 
has definitely been updating in #s, so not sure why it didnt jump to 4 ...


I did narrow down the view in the database from 3 mos to 'just this month' 
so that the country numbers do look accurate, but will re-extend things as 
time goes on with the cleaned up #s ...



BTW, I can't get the Ports Stats page on the website.


I'm going to have to look at re-enabling that one ... that table is so 
huge that processing it was killer ... I've since moved things to a much 
larger server, so will run some tests and get that back online ...



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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Chris Hill]

On Tue, 4 May 2010, Marc G. Fournier wrote:


On Tue, 4 May 2010, Gary Kline wrote:


On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 09:12:21PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

On Wed, 5 May 2010, Fbsd1 wrote:


BSDSTATS is dead. Don't waste your time.


Not dead, still very active with reports in daily ...


i see a golden opportunity here, marc.  why not post the
basic onlist now?  i've been signed up for a long while and
have never checked ... be nice to see the latest stats.


Stats are updated real time ... just go to http://www.bsdstats.org ...

The only stats that aren't working right now are the ports ones, not 
sure why we disabled that one, but suspect alot of it is size / load 
time related ... the database is *huge* for that ... I'm going to have 
to look into that one ...


Since we're on the topic, and in light of Fbsd1's recent adventure... 
Panama seems awfully high in the country stats. I understand what you said 
upthread about haproxy being in Panama, but it's a small country to be 
always at the top; maybe there's some way to differentiate between "really 
in Panama" and "don't know"? It also seems odd that I, personally, as a 
home user, should be responsible for about 3% of the bsdstats-reporting 
FreeBSD machines in the US. (3 hosts out of 101)


Just wondering.

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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Chris Whitehouse]

Marc G. Fournier wrote:


can you tell me two things:

nslookup rpt.bsdstats.org

and the contents of /var/db/bsdstats


I seem to have probs with mine too. I was under the impression that 
bsdstats was installed by default (in the base system?) so for a very 
long time I haven't installed it. Obviously I was wrong.


So I've just installed from ports then run:

muji2# /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay
fetch: 
http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/getid.php?key=: 
Connection refused

Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org

(Not sure if publishing the key is a security risk so replacing it with x's)

A bit later

muji2# /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay
Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org

But www.bsdstats.org/bt/countries.html is still showing only 3 FreeBSD 
in UK. Will it right itself later?


BTW, I can't get the Ports Stats page on the website.

Chris

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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Marc G. Fournier]

can you tell me two things:

nslookup rpt.bsdstats.org

and the contents of /var/db/bsdstats

the results should have showed up instantly on the web site ... but, just 
checking the database, I do find a connection from PH  today at 2010-05-05 
03:30:12.196478 ... and the country stats does show it:


#47  	PH Philippines	 	 	1	 	 	 	2 
3


Even on the FreeBSD specific screen:

#55 PH Philippines  1   0.03 %

If you can send me the output of /var/db/bsdstats though,I can confirm 
that it is, in fact, your host that reported ...


On Wed, 5 May 2010, Fbsd1 wrote:


Marc G. Fournier wrote:

On Tue, 4 May 2010, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

Don't worry about it, found and fixed that bug ... it had to do with trying 
to masquarade behind haproxy, so it looked like all systems were coming in 
from Panama if they were running the newest code ... which means alot of 
ppl out there were running *old* code ...


Basically, by setting up haproxy to load balance, all IPs hitting the 
backend were, as mentioned before, masquaraded ... but, of course, that 
means that when Geo::IP trying to determine country of origin, it always 
reports for the country of origin of the haproxy IP (Panama) ...


I've fixed this ... still not recording IP, but at least the PHP script 
determing country basis it on the proper IP, not the haproxy IP ...


No changes required on the client side, as things will normalize over the 
course of the next month as ppl report in ...


If anyone on FreeBSD wishes to 'force an update':

  /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay

will push it through ...





Just did pkg_add -r bsdstats followed by
/usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay

Still don't see any Freebsd systems listed for the Philippines on the 
website.


What is YOUR definition of REAL-TIME.




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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Brian Callahan]

On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Fbsd1  wrote:

> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 4 May 2010, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>>
>> Don't worry about it, found and fixed that bug ... it had to do with
>> trying to masquarade behind haproxy, so it looked like all systems were
>> coming in from Panama if they were running the newest code ... which means
>> alot of ppl out there were running *old* code ...
>>
>> Basically, by setting up haproxy to load balance, all IPs hitting the
>> backend were, as mentioned before, masquaraded ... but, of course, that
>> means that when Geo::IP trying to determine country of origin, it always
>> reports for the country of origin of the haproxy IP (Panama) ...
>>
>> I've fixed this ... still not recording IP, but at least the PHP script
>> determing country basis it on the proper IP, not the haproxy IP ...
>>
>>
>> No changes required on the client side, as things will normalize over the
>> course of the next month as ppl report in ...
>>
>> If anyone on FreeBSD wishes to 'force an update':
>>
>>  /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay
>>
>> will push it through ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Just did pkg_add -r bsdstats followed by
>
> /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay
>
> Still don't see any Freebsd systems listed for the Philippines on the
> website.
>
> What is YOUR definition of REAL-TIME.
>
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Actually, it's there. http://www.bsdstats.org/bt/countries.html?os=FreeBSD
There you are, at the bottom. One system from the Philippines.
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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Fbsd1]

Marc G. Fournier wrote:

On Tue, 4 May 2010, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

Don't worry about it, found and fixed that bug ... it had to do with 
trying to masquarade behind haproxy, so it looked like all systems were 
coming in from Panama if they were running the newest code ... which 
means alot of ppl out there were running *old* code ...


Basically, by setting up haproxy to load balance, all IPs hitting the 
backend were, as mentioned before, masquaraded ... but, of course, that 
means that when Geo::IP trying to determine country of origin, it always 
reports for the country of origin of the haproxy IP (Panama) ...


I've fixed this ... still not recording IP, but at least the PHP script 
determing country basis it on the proper IP, not the haproxy IP ...


No changes required on the client side, as things will normalize over 
the course of the next month as ppl report in ...


If anyone on FreeBSD wishes to 'force an update':

  /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay

will push it through ...





Just did pkg_add -r bsdstats followed by
/usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay

Still don't see any Freebsd systems listed for the Philippines on the 
website.


What is YOUR definition of REAL-TIME.
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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Marc G. Fournier]

On Tue, 4 May 2010, Gary Kline wrote:


On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 09:12:21PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

On Wed, 5 May 2010, Fbsd1 wrote:


BSDSTATS is dead. Don't waste your time.


Not dead, still very active with reports in daily ...




i see a golden opportunity here, marc.  why not post the
basic onlist now?  i've been signed up for a long while and
have never checked ... be nice to see the latest stats.


Stats are updated real time ... just go to http://www.bsdstats.org ...

The only stats that aren't working right now are the ports ones, not sure 
why we disabled that one, but suspect alot of it is size / load time 
related ... the database is *huge* for that ... I'm going to have to look 
into that one ...



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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Gary Kline]

On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 09:12:21PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Wed, 5 May 2010, Fbsd1 wrote:
> 
> >BSDSTATS is dead. Don't waste your time.
> 
> Not dead, still very active with reports in daily ...
> 


i see a golden opportunity here, marc.  why not post the
basic onlist now?  i've been signed up for a long while and
have never checked ... be nice to see the latest stats.



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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Marc G. Fournier]

On Tue, 4 May 2010, Marc G. Fournier wrote:


On Wed, 5 May 2010, Fbsd1 wrote:

Most odd ... what is in your /var/db/bsdstats file ... ?  I've had no 
reports of problems in many months now ...


Don't worry about it, found and fixed that bug ... it had to do with 
trying to masquarade behind haproxy, so it looked like all systems were 
coming in from Panama if they were running the newest code ... which means 
alot of ppl out there were running *old* code ...


Basically, by setting up haproxy to load balance, all IPs hitting the 
backend were, as mentioned before, masquaraded ... but, of course, that 
means that when Geo::IP trying to determine country of origin, it always 
reports for the country of origin of the haproxy IP (Panama) ...


I've fix this ... still not recording IP, but at least the PHP script 
determing country basis it on the proper IP, not the haproxy IP ...


No changes required on the client side, as things will normalize over the 
course of the next month as ppl report in ...


If anyone on FreeBSD wishes to 'force an update':

  /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay

will push it through ...



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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Marc G. Fournier]

On Wed, 5 May 2010, Fbsd1 wrote:


BSDSTATS is dead. Don't waste your time.


Not dead, still very active with reports in daily ...

I am a retired American who is now living in the Philippines. All during 
RELEASE 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, and now 8.0 I have been running the bsdstats port 
on my single system. Yesterday I checked the http://bsdstats.org website 
by country and to my great surprise there are no Freebsd systems listed 
in the Philippines. Also the previous months reports are no longer shown 
on the website and the port stats don't show at all. This is not the 
results talked about on this list when the bsdstats project was trying 
to get Freebsd participation 3 years ago.


Most odd ... what is in your /var/db/bsdstats file ... ?  I've had no 
reports of problems in many months now ...



What good is participation if there are no real-time results.


The results are realtime ... generated directly out of the database ...


I removed bsdstats from my system and the port should be removed from the 
ports system.
I also emailed Marc G. Fournier  the author and never 
received a reply. That is the best sign that bsdstats is dead.


Huh?  I don't recall any emails about issues that I've not answered :(


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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Marc G. Fournier]

The backend to bsdstats.org is load balanced behind an haproxy backend, 
with only the IP of haproxy being passed back into it ... one of the key 
issues that was brought up from day one was security and anonymity(sp?) of 
those submitting, and we've taken that *very* seriously ... other then the 
tokens that are passed back to present individual systems, we do not 
record anything (or see anything) about the reporting servers ...




On Tue, 4 May 2010, Steve Bertrand wrote:


Marc, et-al,

I wasn't originally going to post this to the list, but I thought that
it would be useful to do so in order to try to solicit feedback.

There's a suggestion that I have for the server-side of bsdstats. I
would find it very useful if the server could track the % of the
reporting connections that come in over IPv6, and include that on the
website front page.

Of course, this would require that rpt.bsdstats.org reside on a reliable
IPv6 network, and code changes to the server-side software. (if the code
is Perl, I'll gladly take a look at it ;)

I'm not interested in the actual addresses of the sending hosts, just
whether the address contains a '.' or ':'.

Cheers,

Steve







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Re: Addition to BSDstats

[Fbsd1]

Steve Bertrand wrote:

Marc, et-al,

I wasn't originally going to post this to the list, but I thought that
it would be useful to do so in order to try to solicit feedback.

There's a suggestion that I have for the server-side of bsdstats. I
would find it very useful if the server could track the % of the
reporting connections that come in over IPv6, and include that on the
website front page.

Of course, this would require that rpt.bsdstats.org reside on a reliable
IPv6 network, and code changes to the server-side software. (if the code
is Perl, I'll gladly take a look at it ;)

I'm not interested in the actual addresses of the sending hosts, just
whether the address contains a '.' or ':'.

Cheers,

Steve




BSDSTATS is dead. Don't waste your time.

I am a retired American who is now living in the Philippines. All during 
RELEASE 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, and now 8.0 I have been running the bsdstats port 
on my single system. Yesterday I checked the http://bsdstats.org website 
by country and to my great surprise there are no Freebsd systems listed 
in the Philippines. Also the previous months reports are no longer shown 
on the website and the port stats don't show at all. This is not the 
results talked about on this list when the bsdstats project was trying 
to get Freebsd participation 3 years ago.


The bsdstats website has been un-supported, un-updated for over 2 years 
 and nobody noticed until I  showed up in a country with out any 
Freebsd counts, but knowing I was reports regularly.


What good is participation if there are no real-time results.
I removed bsdstats from my system and the port should be removed from 
the ports system.
I also emailed Marc G. Fournier  the author and never 
received a reply. That is the best sign that bsdstats is dead.


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Addition to BSDstats

[Steve Bertrand]

Marc, et-al,

I wasn't originally going to post this to the list, but I thought that
it would be useful to do so in order to try to solicit feedback.

There's a suggestion that I have for the server-side of bsdstats. I
would find it very useful if the server could track the % of the
reporting connections that come in over IPv6, and include that on the
website front page.

Of course, this would require that rpt.bsdstats.org reside on a reliable
IPv6 network, and code changes to the server-side software. (if the code
is Perl, I'll gladly take a look at it ;)

I'm not interested in the actual addresses of the sending hosts, just
whether the address contains a '.' or ':'.

Cheers,

Steve



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bsdstats error

[Aiza]

Some thing wrong with the bsdstats process. I am a retired American who 
is now living in the Philippines. All during RELEASE 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, and 
now 8.0 I have been running the bsdstats port on my single system. Some 
times I reboot the system a few times a week which fire off the bsdstat 
reports as well as running over the change of month which also fires off 
the bsdstat report. Yesterday I checked the http://bsdstats.org website 
by country and to my great surprise there are no Freebsd systems in the 
Philippines. Also the previous months reports are no longer shown on the 
website and the port stats don't show at all. This is not the results 
talked about on this list when the bsdstats project was trying to get 
Freebsd participation 3 years ago. Maybe the bsdstats website has been 
un-supported, un-updated for over 2 years now and nobody noticed until I 
 showed up in a country with out any Freebsd counts, but knowing I was 
reports regularly.


What good is participation if there are no real-time results.
Guess it's time to remove bsdstats from my system.
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Re: bsdstats & country

[Kevin Kinsey]

Aiza wrote:

How does bsdstats know what country the PC posting its info is from?


Probably via a lookup in the regional registry; see RFC 2050.

Kevin Kinsey

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Re: bsdstats & country

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> How does bsdstats know what country the PC posting its info is from?

GeoIP almost certainly.  Like this: http://www.geoiptool.com/

Cheers

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bsdstats & country

[Aiza]

How does bsdstats know what country the PC posting its info is from?
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Re: Bind 9 (Was: bsdstats) - fatal error: RUNTIME_CHECK(((pthread_mutex_destroy(((&manager->lock))) == 0)

[Anton Shterenlikht]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 07:37:26PM -0800, Mel Flynn wrote:
> On Monday 27 July 2009 18:35:17 Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > --On Monday, July 27, 2009 14:07:44 -0800 Mel Flynn
> >
> >  wrote:
> > > On Monday 27 July 2009 13:17:51 Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
> > >> On ia64 8.0-beta1 SMP, running bsdstats-5.4_2,
> > >> I get this error:
> > >>
> > >> # /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics
> > >> /usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/task.c:1023: fatal
> > >> error: RUNTIME_CHECK(((pthread_mutex_destroy(((&manager->lock))) == 0) ?
> > >> 0
> > >>
> > >> : 34) == 0) failed
> > >
> > > That error from bind,
> > >
> > >> [:1: unexpected operator
> > >
> > > Is not handled gracefully in the bsdstats script.
> >
> > Is there something I can do to improve the script to handle it better?
> 
> Well, if OP can provide sh -x /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics 
> output, it's easier to see which variable is empty as a result of a resolver 
> error. Then fix the test expression and either exit or use a retry_x_times 
> mechanism.

# script zzz sh -x /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay

Script started on Tue Jul 28 11:14:53 2009
+ [ -r /etc/defaults/periodic.conf ]
+ . /etc/defaults/periodic.conf
+ periodic_conf_files='/etc/periodic.conf /etc/periodic.conf.local'
+ local_periodic=/usr/local/etc/periodic
+ daily_output=root
+ daily_show_success=YES
+ daily_show_info=YES
+ daily_show_badconfig=NO
+ daily_clean_disks_enable=NO
+ daily_clean_disks_files='[#,]* .#* a.out *.core *.CKP .emacs_[0-9]*'
+ daily_clean_disks_days=3
+ daily_clean_disks_verbose=YES
+ daily_clean_tmps_enable=NO
+ daily_clean_tmps_dirs=/tmp
+ daily_clean_tmps_days=3
+ daily_clean_tmps_ignore='.X*-lock .X11-unix .ICE-unix .font-unix .XIM-unix'
+ daily_clean_tmps_ignore='.X*-lock .X11-unix .ICE-unix .font-unix .XIM-unix 
quota.user quota.group'
+ daily_clean_tmps_verbose=YES
+ daily_clean_preserve_enable=YES
+ daily_clean_preserve_days=7
+ daily_clean_preserve_verbose=YES
+ daily_clean_msgs_enable=YES
+ daily_clean_msgs_days=''
+ daily_clean_rwho_enable=YES
+ daily_clean_rwho_days=7
+ daily_clean_rwho_verbose=YES
+ daily_clean_hoststat_enable=YES
+ daily_backup_passwd_enable=YES
+ daily_backup_aliases_enable=YES
+ daily_calendar_enable=NO
+ daily_accounting_enable=YES
+ daily_accounting_compress=NO
+ daily_accounting_flags=-q
+ daily_accounting_save=3
+ daily_news_expire_enable=YES
+ daily_status_disks_enable=YES
+ daily_status_disks_df_flags='-l -h'
+ daily_status_zfs_enable=NO
+ daily_status_ata_raid_enable=NO
+ daily_status_gmirror_enable=NO
+ daily_status_graid3_enable=NO
+ daily_status_gstripe_enable=NO
+ daily_status_gconcat_enable=NO
+ daily_status_network_enable=YES
+ daily_status_network_usedns=YES
+ daily_status_rwho_enable=YES
+ daily_status_mailq_enable=YES
+ daily_status_mailq_shorten=NO
+ daily_status_include_submit_mailq=YES
+ daily_status_security_enable=YES
+ daily_status_mail_rejects_enable=YES
+ daily_status_mail_rejects_logs=3
+ daily_status_mail_rejects_shorten=NO
+ daily_status_named_enable=YES
+ daily_status_named_usedns=YES
+ daily_status_ntpd_enable=NO
+ daily_queuerun_enable=YES
+ daily_submit_queuerun=YES
+ daily_local=/etc/daily.local
+ daily_status_security_inline=NO
+ daily_status_security_output=root
+ daily_status_security_noamd=NO
+ daily_status_security_logdir=/var/log
+ daily_status_security_diff_flags='-b -u'
+ daily_status_security_chksetuid_enable=YES
+ daily_status_security_chkmounts_enable=YES
+ daily_status_security_chkuid0_enable=YES
+ daily_status_security_passwdless_enable=YES
+ daily_status_security_logincheck_enable=YES
+ daily_status_security_ipfwdenied_enable=YES
+ daily_status_security_ipfdenied_enable=YES
+ daily_status_security_pfdenied_enable=YES
+ daily_status_security_ipfwlimit_enable=YES
+ daily_status_security_ipf6denied_enable=YES
+ daily_status_security_kernelmsg_enable=YES
+ daily_status_security_loginfail_enable=YES
+ daily_status_security_tcpwrap_enable=YES
+ weekly_output=root
+ weekly_show_success=YES
+ weekly_show_info=YES
+ weekly_show_badconfig=NO
+ weekly_locate_enable=YES
+ weekly_whatis_enable=YES
+ weekly_catman_enable=NO
+ weekly_noid_enable=NO
+ weekly_noid_dirs=/
+ weekly_status_pkg_enable=NO
+ pkg_version=pkg_version
+ pkg_version_index=/usr/ports/INDEX-8
+ weekly_local=/etc/weekly.local
+ monthly_output=root
+ monthly_show_success=YES
+ monthly_show_info=YES
+ monthly_show_badconfig=NO
+ monthly_accounting_enable=YES
+ monthly_local=/etc/monthly.local
+ [ -z '' ]
+ source_periodic_confs_defined=yes
+ source_periodic_confs
+ local i sourced_files
+ sourced_files=:/etc/periodic.conf:
+ [ -r /etc/periodic.conf ]

Re: Bind 9 (Was: bsdstats) - fatal error: RUNTIME_CHECK(((pthread_mutex_destroy(((&manager->lock))) == 0)

[Mel Flynn]

On Monday 27 July 2009 18:35:17 Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> --On Monday, July 27, 2009 14:07:44 -0800 Mel Flynn
>
>  wrote:
> > On Monday 27 July 2009 13:17:51 Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
> >> On ia64 8.0-beta1 SMP, running bsdstats-5.4_2,
> >> I get this error:
> >>
> >> # /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics
> >> /usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/task.c:1023: fatal
> >> error: RUNTIME_CHECK(((pthread_mutex_destroy(((&manager->lock))) == 0) ?
> >> 0
> >>
> >> : 34) == 0) failed
> >
> > That error from bind,
> >
> >> [:1: unexpected operator
> >
> > Is not handled gracefully in the bsdstats script.
>
> Is there something I can do to improve the script to handle it better?

Well, if OP can provide sh -x /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics 
output, it's easier to see which variable is empty as a result of a resolver 
error. Then fix the test expression and either exit or use a retry_x_times 
mechanism.
-- 
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Re: Bind 9 (Was: bsdstats) - fatal error: RUNTIME_CHECK(((pthread_mutex_destroy(((&manager->lock))) == 0)

[Marc G. Fournier]

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- --On Monday, July 27, 2009 14:07:44 -0800 Mel Flynn 
 wrote:

> On Monday 27 July 2009 13:17:51 Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
>> On ia64 8.0-beta1 SMP, running bsdstats-5.4_2,
>> I get this error:
>>
>> # /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics
>> /usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/task.c:1023: fatal
>> error: RUNTIME_CHECK(((pthread_mutex_destroy(((&manager->lock))) == 0) ? 0
>> : 34) == 0) failed
>
> That error from bind,
>
>> [:    1: unexpected operator
>
> Is not handled gracefully in the bsdstats script.

Is there something I can do to improve the script to handle it better?



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Re: bsdstats not working in 7.1

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I'm running it on 7-STABLE servers without any problem ... but notice that 
others responded that it appears you are on PC-BSD vs FreeBSD?   As late as 
this answer is, are you still having an issue with it on your machine?



- --On Sunday, March 01, 2009 19:20:21 +0800 Fbsd1  
wrote:

> bsdstats is now in the base system.
> Have bsdstats_enable="YES" is rc.conf
> Worked this way in 7.0.
> What am I missing here???
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Re: Bind 9 (Was: bsdstats) - fatal error: RUNTIME_CHECK(((pthread_mutex_destroy(((&manager->lock))) == 0)

[Mel Flynn]

On Monday 27 July 2009 13:17:51 Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
> On ia64 8.0-beta1 SMP, running bsdstats-5.4_2,
> I get this error:
>
> # /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics
> /usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/task.c:1023: fatal
> error: RUNTIME_CHECK(((pthread_mutex_destroy(((&manager->lock))) == 0) ? 0
> : 34) == 0) failed

That error from bind,

> [:1: unexpected operator

Is not handled gracefully in the bsdstats script.

The annoyance is that ISC Bind finds it not useful to print errno, which is 
what you'd need to figure out why this lock can't be destroyed. It is however 
a programming error in bind, or a rare case of stack corruption by the kernel.

If you see this error a lot or can reliably reproduce it, I'd file a PR.
-- 
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bsdstats - fatal error: RUNTIME_CHECK(((pthread_mutex_destroy(((&manager->lock))) == 0)

[Anton Shterenlikht]

On ia64 8.0-beta1 SMP, running bsdstats-5.4_2,
I get this error:

# /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics
/usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/task.c:1023: fatal error: 
RUNTIME_CHECK(((pthread_mutex_destroy(((&manager->lock))) == 0) ? 0 : 34) == 0) 
failed
[:1: unexpected operator

#

I recall some mutex errors reported by perl-10 tests.

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Re: bsdstats not working in 7.1

[Frank Shute]

On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 02:15:03PM -0900, Mel wrote:
>
> On Sunday 01 March 2009 06:59:35 Frank Shute wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 07:20:21PM +0800, Fbsd1 wrote:
> > > bsdstats is now in the base system.
> >
> > On what?
> 
> In PC-BSD since forever, maybe OP is confuzzled a bit ;)

Ah! That confuzzled me too!

For the OP's benefit:

$ pkg_info -D bsdstats*

Information for bsdstats-5.4_2:

Install notice:

This script, meant to be run monthly, submits statistics anonymously
to a central checkin server (http://bsdstats.org), in an attempt to
generate reasonably accurate demographics of both *BSD usage, as well
as devices in use.

Steps have been taken to make eliminate security concerns brought up
in earlier releases of this, including, but not limited to, not storing
anything in the database that has been deemed as 'sensitive' (ie. IP of
the reporting server, and hostname).


To enable monthly reporting, edit or create /etc/periodic.conf and add this 
line:
monthly_statistics_enable="YES"

To enable boottime reporting, edit or create /etc/rc.conf and add this line:
bsdstats_enable="YES"

To enable device reporting, add this line:
monthly_statistics_report_devices="YES"

To enable ports reporting, add this line:
monthly_statistics_report_ports="YES"

To run it manually the first time, just run it as:
${LOCALBASE}/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay

To view current statistics, go to:
http://www.bsdstats.org


So it looks like the OPs system is just reporting on boot.


Regards,

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Re: bsdstats not working in 7.1

[Mel]

On Sunday 01 March 2009 06:59:35 Frank Shute wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 07:20:21PM +0800, Fbsd1 wrote:
> > bsdstats is now in the base system.
>
> On what?

In PC-BSD since forever, maybe OP is confuzzled a bit ;)

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Re: bsdstats not working in 7.1

[Frank Shute]

On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 07:20:21PM +0800, Fbsd1 wrote:
>
> bsdstats is now in the base system.

On what?

> Have bsdstats_enable="YES" is rc.conf
> Worked this way in 7.0.
> What am I missing here???

$ pkg_info -D bsdstats*

Still in a port (sysutils/bsdstats) on:

FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p2 amd64

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bsdstats not working in 7.1

[Fbsd1]

bsdstats is now in the base system.
Have bsdstats_enable="YES" is rc.conf
Worked this way in 7.0.
What am I missing here???
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Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

[Gabriel Lavoie]

Good, my system finally appeared.

Gabriel

2008/11/5 Gabriel Lavoie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> That's strange, because I enabled the reporting on my system but its CPU
> that wasn't on the list didn't appear.
>
>
> Gabriel
>
> 2008/11/4 Marc G. Fournier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
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>>
>>
>> - --On Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:25:39 -0500 Gabriel Lavoie
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > When are the stats updated on bsdstats.org?
>>
>> real-time ... and they aren't "for all time", the #s are based on systems
>> reporting in over the past 60 days, so you will periodically see a bit of
>> back
>> tracking, depending on when in the cycle hosts reported in ... if I reload
>> the
>> page a few times, I may see it go from 25 013 -> 25 103 -> 25 143 -> 25
>> 140 ...
>> but the overall is an upward increase in numbers ...
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Gabriel
>> >
>> > 2008/11/4 Marc G. Fournier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, andrew clarke wrote:
>> >>
>> >>  On Mon 2008-11-03 18:33:57 UTC-0400, Marc G. Fournier (
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED])
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>  For FreeBSD users, you just need to install
>> /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats
>> >>>> to set things up.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I stopped using bsdstats after it caused my FreeBSD router to take too
>> >>> long to boot up after a reboot.  If I recall correctly, I had
>> >>> bsdstats_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf and after the reboot bsdstats
>> >>> was called before ppp was able to start, so it couldn't connect to the
>> >>> bsdstats server.  On the other hand this was a while ago and I am
>> >>> going by memory, so I may be wrong about what happened or it was just
>> >>> a coincidence.  At the time I was more interested in getting the
>> >>> router running so I didn't really care for debugging what was going
>> >>> on.  I realise this is a bit of a vague bug report, so feel free to
>> >>> ignore it.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> There is an optional flag for 'reporting on reboot' ... the original
>> script
>> >> only did reporting monthly, out of periodic, but some ppl (ie. using
>> >> laptops) suggesting an optional flag so that when they rebooted, they
>> would
>> >> be counted also ...
>> >>
>> >> And you are correct, just change:
>> >>
>> >> bsdstats_enable="YES"
>> >>
>> >> to
>> >>
>> >> bsdstats_enable="NO"
>> >>
>> >> And 'on reboot' will eb disabled, and only periodic will be used ... at
>> a
>> >> minimum, you just need:
>> >>
>> >> monthly_statistics_enable="YES"
>> >>
>> >> in /etc/periodic.conf, wich will only report OS/version and skip the
>> >> devices/ports reports ...
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >> Marc G. Fournier   Hub.Org Networking Services (
>> http://www.hub.org
>> >> )
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Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

[Gabriel Lavoie]

That's strange, because I enabled the reporting on my system but its CPU
that wasn't on the list didn't appear.

Gabriel

2008/11/4 Marc G. Fournier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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>
>
>
> - --On Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:25:39 -0500 Gabriel Lavoie
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > When are the stats updated on bsdstats.org?
>
> real-time ... and they aren't "for all time", the #s are based on systems
> reporting in over the past 60 days, so you will periodically see a bit of
> back
> tracking, depending on when in the cycle hosts reported in ... if I reload
> the
> page a few times, I may see it go from 25 013 -> 25 103 -> 25 143 -> 25 140
> ...
> but the overall is an upward increase in numbers ...
>
>
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Gabriel
> >
> > 2008/11/4 Marc G. Fournier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >> On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, andrew clarke wrote:
> >>
> >>  On Mon 2008-11-03 18:33:57 UTC-0400, Marc G. Fournier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
> )
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  For FreeBSD users, you just need to install
> /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats
> >>>> to set things up.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I stopped using bsdstats after it caused my FreeBSD router to take too
> >>> long to boot up after a reboot.  If I recall correctly, I had
> >>> bsdstats_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf and after the reboot bsdstats
> >>> was called before ppp was able to start, so it couldn't connect to the
> >>> bsdstats server.  On the other hand this was a while ago and I am
> >>> going by memory, so I may be wrong about what happened or it was just
> >>> a coincidence.  At the time I was more interested in getting the
> >>> router running so I didn't really care for debugging what was going
> >>> on.  I realise this is a bit of a vague bug report, so feel free to
> >>> ignore it.
> >>>
> >>
> >> There is an optional flag for 'reporting on reboot' ... the original
> script
> >> only did reporting monthly, out of periodic, but some ppl (ie. using
> >> laptops) suggesting an optional flag so that when they rebooted, they
> would
> >> be counted also ...
> >>
> >> And you are correct, just change:
> >>
> >> bsdstats_enable="YES"
> >>
> >> to
> >>
> >> bsdstats_enable="NO"
> >>
> >> And 'on reboot' will eb disabled, and only periodic will be used ... at
> a
> >> minimum, you just need:
> >>
> >> monthly_statistics_enable="YES"
> >>
> >> in /etc/periodic.conf, wich will only report OS/version and skip the
> >> devices/ports reports ...
> >>
> >> 
> >> Marc G. Fournier   Hub.Org Networking Services (
> http://www.hub.org
> >> )
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Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

[Marc G. Fournier]

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- --On Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:25:39 -0500 Gabriel Lavoie 
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> When are the stats updated on bsdstats.org?

real-time ... and they aren't "for all time", the #s are based on systems 
reporting in over the past 60 days, so you will periodically see a bit of back 
tracking, depending on when in the cycle hosts reported in ... if I reload the 
page a few times, I may see it go from 25 013 -> 25 103 -> 25 143 -> 25 140 ... 
but the overall is an upward increase in numbers ...


>
> Thanks
>
> Gabriel
>
> 2008/11/4 Marc G. Fournier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, andrew clarke wrote:
>>
>>  On Mon 2008-11-03 18:33:57 UTC-0400, Marc G. Fournier ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats
>>>> to set things up.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I stopped using bsdstats after it caused my FreeBSD router to take too
>>> long to boot up after a reboot.  If I recall correctly, I had
>>> bsdstats_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf and after the reboot bsdstats
>>> was called before ppp was able to start, so it couldn't connect to the
>>> bsdstats server.  On the other hand this was a while ago and I am
>>> going by memory, so I may be wrong about what happened or it was just
>>> a coincidence.  At the time I was more interested in getting the
>>> router running so I didn't really care for debugging what was going
>>> on.  I realise this is a bit of a vague bug report, so feel free to
>>> ignore it.
>>>
>>
>> There is an optional flag for 'reporting on reboot' ... the original script
>> only did reporting monthly, out of periodic, but some ppl (ie. using
>> laptops) suggesting an optional flag so that when they rebooted, they would
>> be counted also ...
>>
>> And you are correct, just change:
>>
>> bsdstats_enable="YES"
>>
>> to
>>
>> bsdstats_enable="NO"
>>
>> And 'on reboot' will eb disabled, and only periodic will be used ... at a
>> minimum, you just need:
>>
>> monthly_statistics_enable="YES"
>>
>> in /etc/periodic.conf, wich will only report OS/version and skip the
>> devices/ports reports ...
>>
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Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

[Gabriel Lavoie]

When are the stats updated on bsdstats.org?

Thanks

Gabriel

2008/11/4 Marc G. Fournier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, andrew clarke wrote:
>
>  On Mon 2008-11-03 18:33:57 UTC-0400, Marc G. Fournier ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>> wrote:
>>
>>  For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats
>>> to set things up.
>>>
>>
>> I stopped using bsdstats after it caused my FreeBSD router to take too
>> long to boot up after a reboot.  If I recall correctly, I had
>> bsdstats_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf and after the reboot bsdstats
>> was called before ppp was able to start, so it couldn't connect to the
>> bsdstats server.  On the other hand this was a while ago and I am
>> going by memory, so I may be wrong about what happened or it was just
>> a coincidence.  At the time I was more interested in getting the
>> router running so I didn't really care for debugging what was going
>> on.  I realise this is a bit of a vague bug report, so feel free to
>> ignore it.
>>
>
> There is an optional flag for 'reporting on reboot' ... the original script
> only did reporting monthly, out of periodic, but some ppl (ie. using
> laptops) suggesting an optional flag so that when they rebooted, they would
> be counted also ...
>
> And you are correct, just change:
>
> bsdstats_enable="YES"
>
> to
>
> bsdstats_enable="NO"
>
> And 'on reboot' will eb disabled, and only periodic will be used ... at a
> minimum, you just need:
>
> monthly_statistics_enable="YES"
>
> in /etc/periodic.conf, wich will only report OS/version and skip the
> devices/ports reports ...
>
> 
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Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

[Marc G. Fournier]

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, andrew clarke wrote:


On Mon 2008-11-03 18:33:57 UTC-0400, Marc G. Fournier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:


For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats
to set things up.


I stopped using bsdstats after it caused my FreeBSD router to take too
long to boot up after a reboot.  If I recall correctly, I had
bsdstats_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf and after the reboot bsdstats
was called before ppp was able to start, so it couldn't connect to the
bsdstats server.  On the other hand this was a while ago and I am
going by memory, so I may be wrong about what happened or it was just
a coincidence.  At the time I was more interested in getting the
router running so I didn't really care for debugging what was going
on.  I realise this is a bit of a vague bug report, so feel free to
ignore it.


There is an optional flag for 'reporting on reboot' ... the original 
script only did reporting monthly, out of periodic, but some ppl (ie. 
using laptops) suggesting an optional flag so that when they rebooted, 
they would be counted also ...


And you are correct, just change:

bsdstats_enable="YES"

to

bsdstats_enable="NO"

And 'on reboot' will eb disabled, and only periodic will be used ... at a 
minimum, you just need:


monthly_statistics_enable="YES"

in /etc/periodic.conf, wich will only report OS/version and skip the 
devices/ports reports ...



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Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

[andrew clarke]

On Mon 2008-11-03 18:33:57 UTC-0400, Marc G. Fournier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats 
> to set things up.

I stopped using bsdstats after it caused my FreeBSD router to take too
long to boot up after a reboot.  If I recall correctly, I had
bsdstats_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf and after the reboot bsdstats
was called before ppp was able to start, so it couldn't connect to the
bsdstats server.  On the other hand this was a while ago and I am
going by memory, so I may be wrong about what happened or it was just
a coincidence.  At the time I was more interested in getting the
router running so I didn't really care for debugging what was going
on.  I realise this is a bit of a vague bug report, so feel free to
ignore it.

Regards
Andrew
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Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

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- --On Monday, November 03, 2008 16:01:41 -1000 Al Plant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

>
> Aloha,
>
> I have 10 FreeBSD servers and desktops in use here in Hawaii.
>
> These are not on the list as I only have 4 servers that are up 24/7 and they
> are fire walled off with pf.
>
> The 6 others are on a lan behind a Linux Freesco Firewall. Only 2 on 24/7 the
> rest are on an as used boot up basis.
>
> How can I get them Listed?

Using FreeBSD as a reference point, the port, when it installs, allows you to 
enable two methods of reporting: monthly (out of periodic) and on reboot ... so 
that covers the 4 that aren't up 24/7 ...

Next, the reporting is not based on your IP ... in fact, to try and address 
security concerns, we do not store any information such as IP or hostname ... 
when you run the stats the first time, it generates a distinct key that is used 
for reporting and is stored on your host for future reporting to identify you 
...

Finally, for those dealing with firewalls, the script was written to make use 
of a PROXY server for reporting, so that no holes have to be opened up for an 
individual host to connect to the rver ...


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Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

[Marc G. Fournier]

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- --On Tuesday, November 04, 2008 01:10:02 +0100 Bernt Hansson 
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> Marc G. Fournier skrev:
>> As of November 3rd, 2008, the project has hit a new milestone of 25 000+
>> hosts  reporting in, with a break down as follows:
>
> There are errors on your homepage
>
> 6,072 is a lot less then 500.

Pardon?  I don't see either # on the home page .. *puzzled look*




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RE: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

[Marc G. Fournier]

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Its a voluntary reporting ... I know with both PC-BSD, reporting is on by 
default .. with FreeBSD, its a simple 'make install' in ports ... with 
NetBSD/OpenBSD, I suspect its purely manual, so a bit more work involved ...

Both NetBSD / OpenBSD #s have been increasing though, just not as fast as the 
others ...

- --On Monday, November 03, 2008 15:12:46 -0800 Don Witt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> This is very cool.  What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD.  Are these numbers
> accurate?
>
> -Original Message-
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> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thorsten Glaser;
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> Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In
>
>
> As of November 3rd, 2008, the project has hit a new milestone of 25 000+
> hosts
> reporting in, with a break down as follows:
>
>PC-BSD   17 454 hosts
>FreeBSD   5 526 hosts
>DesktopBSD1 919 hosts
>NetBSD   86 hosts
>MirBSD   21 hosts
>OpenBSD  55 hosts
>DragonFly26 hosts
>MidnightBSD  26 hosts
>GNU/kFreeBSD  2 hosts
>
> We currently have hosts being reported in from 135 countries, with the top
> 10
> being:
>
>United States   6 082
>Russian Federation  1 836
>Germany 1 586
>Australia   1 341
>Ukraine   997
>France930
>Japan 898
>United Kingdom791
>Canada767
>Brazil729
>
> Project URL: http://www.bsdstats.org
>
> Project Objective:
>
> "The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy
> and
> marketing of the *BSD operating systems."
>
>
> PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to
> enabled,
> while the rest have to be enabled manually.
>
> For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to
> set
> things up.
>
> If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the
> report
> script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, is
>
> being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is  required,
>
> and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are
> 100%
> optional ...
>
> For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread the
> word, we need more ...
>
>
> If you have any questions, please feel free to email me ...
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Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

[Murray Stokely]

[BCCed others]

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Don Witt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is very cool.  What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD.  Are these numbers
> accurate?

These numbers represent the number of people that have installed a
program to report usage, and are almost completely uncorrelated with
actual usage rates.  There needs to be a big warning at the top of
these very misleading reports.  Also, the massive spam to many
different lists is not ideal.  Any guess at actual "usage" numbers
would be many orders of magnitude larger, and PC-BSD would be a
rounding error to other BSDs used in large hosting environments
(nothing against the great work being done by PC-BSD, just a fact
based on desktop vs server focus).

I continue to believe that sending out these numbers which massively
undercount all operating systems is very counter-productive, but I've
said that before.

If you want to get better numbers you could try to survey all web
servers on the internet, identify the host operating systems by server
responses, tcp/ip timing characteristics, or other heuristics.  You
could alternatively mine google analytics  / webserver log data for
large websites if you want client numbers, or countless other data
sources that would give you far more data than this self reporting
mechanism, and with a much better sample than the very biased
mechanism used for these numbers.

- Murray
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Re: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

[Glen Barber]

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Don Witt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is very cool.  What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD.  Are these numbers
> accurate?

As far as I know, these numbers can only be accurate if the
administrator enables (installs?) stats reporting.

You can add 1 to FreeBSD, because I don't allow stats reporting.  :)


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RE: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

[Don Witt]

This is very cool.  What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD.  Are these numbers
accurate?

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Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In


As of November 3rd, 2008, the project has hit a new milestone of 25 000+
hosts 
reporting in, with a break down as follows:

   PC-BSD   17 454 hosts
   FreeBSD   5 526 hosts
   DesktopBSD1 919 hosts
   NetBSD   86 hosts
   MirBSD   21 hosts
   OpenBSD  55 hosts
   DragonFly26 hosts
   MidnightBSD  26 hosts
   GNU/kFreeBSD  2 hosts

We currently have hosts being reported in from 135 countries, with the top
10
being:

   United States   6 082
   Russian Federation  1 836
   Germany 1 586
   Australia   1 341
   Ukraine   997
   France930
   Japan 898
   United Kingdom791
   Canada767
   Brazil729

Project URL: http://www.bsdstats.org

Project Objective:

"The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy
and
marketing of the *BSD operating systems."


PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to
enabled, 
while the rest have to be enabled manually.

For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to
set 
things up.

If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the
report 
script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, is

being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is  required,

and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are
100% 
optional ...

For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread the
word, we need more ...


If you have any questions, please feel free to email me ...

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BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In

[Marc G. Fournier]

As of November 3rd, 2008, the project has hit a new milestone of 25 000+ hosts 
reporting in, with a break down as follows:


  PC-BSD   17 454 hosts
  FreeBSD   5 526 hosts
  DesktopBSD1 919 hosts
  NetBSD   86 hosts
  MirBSD   21 hosts
  OpenBSD  55 hosts
  DragonFly26 hosts
  MidnightBSD  26 hosts
  GNU/kFreeBSD  2 hosts

We currently have hosts being reported in from 135 countries, with the top 10
being:

  United States   6 082
  Russian Federation  1 836
  Germany 1 586
  Australia   1 341
  Ukraine   997
  France930
  Japan 898
  United Kingdom791
  Canada767
  Brazil729

Project URL: http://www.bsdstats.org

Project Objective:

"The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy and
marketing of the *BSD operating systems."


PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to enabled, 
while the rest have to be enabled manually.


For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to set 
things up.


If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the report 
script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, is 
being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is  required, 
and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are 100% 
optional ...


For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread the
word, we need more ...


If you have any questions, please feel free to email me ...

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Re: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In

[Zafer Aydogan]

2008/6/6, Murray Stokely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi Marc, can you please post these individually to different lists
>  next time rather than one massive cross-post?
>
>
>  On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>  > Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up.
>  > I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable
>  > the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD
>  > that there are FreeBSD?
>
>
> Yes I should think that is pretty obvious. =)  I would expect that
>  Yahoo! alone has ~2 orders of magnitude more FreeBSD servers than what
>  is represented there.
>
>  These numbers have basically no correlation with the number of
>  installed instances of these operating systems.  Anyone interested in
>  this effort should submit patches to optionally install/enable this
>  functionality in the installer of the various operating systems
>
>
> - Murray
>

Why is this info crossposted on so much lists ?
That's really annoying, beside the fact that the data is useless.


Cheers, Zafer.
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Re: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In

[Murray Stokely]

Hi Marc, can you please post these individually to different lists
next time rather than one massive cross-post?

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up.
> I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable
> the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD
> that there are FreeBSD?

Yes I should think that is pretty obvious. =)  I would expect that
Yahoo! alone has ~2 orders of magnitude more FreeBSD servers than what
is represented there.

These numbers have basically no correlation with the number of
installed instances of these operating systems.  Anyone interested in
this effort should submit patches to optionally install/enable this
functionality in the installer of the various operating systems

- Murray
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Re: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In

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- --On Thursday, June 05, 2008 16:31:30 +0300 Odhiambo Washington 
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> Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up.
> I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable
> the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD
> that there are FreeBSD?
> For FreeBSD, the owner must know about the stats and configure them to
> be submitted.

That is why we're working on both improving the site itself (fixing issues with 
the sub-release areas), as well as trying to a more regular monthly notice up 
... I find a jump in stats each time I do so as more ppl find out about it ...

Report I did a few months back shows only 85 Countries reporting in, so 
although its just one host here and there, adding 40 new countries is cool ...

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BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In

[Marc G. Fournier]

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As of June 5th, 2008, the project is seeing 23 998 hosts reporting in, with a
break down as follows:

   PC-BSD   14 715 hosts
   FreeBSD   6 331 hosts
   DesktopBSD2 662 hosts
   NetBSD  108 hosts
   MirBSD   68 hosts
   OpenBSD  59 hosts
   DragonFly27 hosts
   MidnightBSD  22 hosts
   GNU/kFreeBSD  6 hosts

We currently have hosts being reported in from 121 countries, with the top 10 
being:

   United States   5 639
   Russian Federation  1 653
   Germany 1 489
   Australia   1 314
   Brazil  1 242
   Japan   1 004
   France823
   United Kingdom822
   Ukraine   790
   Canada747

Project URL: http://www.bsdstats.org

Project Objective:

"The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy and
marketing of the *BSD operating systems."


PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to enabled,
while the rest have to be enabled manually.

For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to set
things up.

If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the report
script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, is
being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is  required,
and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are 100%
optional ...

For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread the
word, we need more ...

Thanks to the folks at PC-BSD, we have a new PHP programmer that will be 
working with Antony Mawer towards cleaning up / finishing some of the 
outstanding areas of the web site, so expect to see some improvements in 
statistics reporting over the next few weeks.

If you have any questions, please feel free to email me ...

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Re: BSDstats: February Statistics - 18 494 Hosts Reported In

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Go under the individual OS ... the site needs a bunch of work as far as the 
sub-pages are concerned :(


- --On Saturday, March 08, 2008 04:36:55 -0800 Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey Marc,
>
> These links don't work.
>
> Drivers/HW Stats CPU Stats Port Stats
>
> Do you know why?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri
> Arab Portal
> http://www.WeArab.Net/
>
> - Original Message 
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>>
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>>
>> As of March 7th, 2008, the project is seeing 18 494 hosts reporting in, with
>> a  break down as follows:
>>
>>DesktopBSD   3 242 hosts
>>DragonFly   27 hosts
>>FreeBSD  6 260 hosts
>>GNU/kFreeBSD 5 hosts
>>MidnightBSD  6 hosts
>>MirBSD  14 hosts
>>NetBSD 109 hosts
>>OpenBSD 56 hosts
>>PC-BSD   8 775 hosts
>>
>> Top 10 Countries reporting in (out of 85 Countries total):
>>
>>United States 23.5%
>>Russian Federation 7.4%
>>Australia  6.4%
>>Brazil 6.3%
>>Germany6.2%
>>France 3.4%
>>Ukraine3.2%
>>Japan  3.2%
>>United Kingdom 3.0%
>>Canada 2.7%
>>
>>
>> Project Objective:
>>
>> "The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy
>> and marketing of the *BSD operating systems."
>>
>>
>> PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to
>> enabled, while the rest have to be enabled manually.
>>
>> For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to
>> set things up.
>>
>> If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the
>> report script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what,
>> exactly, is being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that
>> is  required, and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports
>> reporting are 100% optional ...
>>
>> For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread the
>> word, we need more ...
>>
>>
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Re: BSDstats: February Statistics - 18 494 Hosts Reported In

[Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri]

Hey Marc,

These links don't work.

Drivers/HW Stats CPU Stats Port Stats

Do you know why?

 
Regards,

-Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri
Arab Portal
http://www.WeArab.Net/

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> 
> As of March 7th, 2008, the project is seeing 18 494 hosts reporting in, with 
> a 
> break down as follows:
> 
>DesktopBSD   3 242 hosts
>DragonFly   27 hosts
>FreeBSD  6 260 hosts
>GNU/kFreeBSD 5 hosts
>MidnightBSD  6 hosts
>MirBSD  14 hosts
>NetBSD 109 hosts
>OpenBSD 56 hosts
>PC-BSD   8 775 hosts
> 
> Top 10 Countries reporting in (out of 85 Countries total):
> 
>United States 23.5%
>Russian Federation 7.4%
>Australia  6.4%
>Brazil 6.3%
>Germany6.2%
>France 3.4%
>Ukraine3.2%
>Japan  3.2%
>United Kingdom 3.0%
>Canada 2.7%
> 
> 
> Project Objective:
> 
> "The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy and
> marketing of the *BSD operating systems."
> 
> 
> PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to 
> enabled,
> while the rest have to be enabled manually.
> 
> For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to 
> set
> things up.
> 
> If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the 
> report
> script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, is
> being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is  required,
> and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are 100%
> optional ...
> 
> For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread the
> word, we need more ...
> 
> 
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BSDstats: February Statistics - 18 494 Hosts Reported In

[Marc G. Fournier]

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As of March 7th, 2008, the project is seeing 18 494 hosts reporting in, with a 
break down as follows:

   DesktopBSD   3 242 hosts
   DragonFly   27 hosts
   FreeBSD  6 260 hosts
   GNU/kFreeBSD 5 hosts
   MidnightBSD  6 hosts
   MirBSD  14 hosts
   NetBSD 109 hosts
   OpenBSD 56 hosts
   PC-BSD   8 775 hosts

Top 10 Countries reporting in (out of 85 Countries total):

   United States 23.5%
   Russian Federation 7.4%
   Australia  6.4%
   Brazil 6.3%
   Germany6.2%
   France 3.4%
   Ukraine3.2%
   Japan  3.2%
   United Kingdom 3.0%
   Canada 2.7%


Project Objective:

"The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy and
marketing of the *BSD operating systems."


PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to enabled,
while the rest have to be enabled manually.

For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to set
things up.

If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the report
script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, is
being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is  required,
and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are 100%
optional ...

For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread the
word, we need more ...


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[BSDStats] Slight change in summary reporting ...

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I've just modified the code so that it reports on distinct hosts over the past 
60 days, vs just this past month ... for those that *may* have reported several 
times but have changed their OS (in theory, the only way that could happen is 
*if* they save/copy their /var/db/bsdstats file across a re-build, mind you), 
their last reported operating system is what will show up
...

This should make the statistics a bit more 'static', since we aren't reporting 
'from zero' at the start of each month ...

To view the current statistics, check out: http://www.bsdstats.org ...

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Re: BSDstats: Stand up and be counted! -- November Statistics

[Jerry McAllister]

On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 10:45:04PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

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> - --On Wednesday, December 05, 2007 23:40:07 +0100 Tore Lund 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Bill Moran wrote:
> >> Huh?
> >
> > The figure for PC-BSD in November was 6551.  When I checked earlier this
> > evening, it was 1997.  I suppose this does NOT mean that 4554 PC-BSD
> > users have kicked the bucket.  Probably, it means that many PC-BSD
> > systems have not YET reported to bsdstats in December.  I think this way
> > of doing it does not serve the following purpose:
> >
> >> The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for
> >> advocacy and marketing of the *BSD operating systems.
> >
> > For the fulfillment of this noble mission, it would be better to display
> > statistics for the last complete month to casual visitors.  If people
> > want to see running counters, this could be done on a different page.
> 
> Actually, what we should do is put a 'History' page off that main one that 
> expands that chart to include the previous two or three months, as well as 
> this 
> one ... would be easier/faster to implement then a graph too ...
> 
> Antony?  Have a couple of minutes to whip that together?  Maybe do it similar 
> to the countries page, but instead of listing countries, list month/year? 
> maybe go back 6 months?

Gee, maybe you could mine the data to do a 'most recent 31 days' report.  
That should not show the dips and peaks in the middle of the month.

jerry


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Re: BSDstats: Stand up and be counted! -- November Statistics

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- --On Wednesday, December 05, 2007 23:40:07 +0100 Tore Lund 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Bill Moran wrote:
>> Huh?
>
> The figure for PC-BSD in November was 6551.  When I checked earlier this
> evening, it was 1997.  I suppose this does NOT mean that 4554 PC-BSD
> users have kicked the bucket.  Probably, it means that many PC-BSD
> systems have not YET reported to bsdstats in December.  I think this way
> of doing it does not serve the following purpose:
>
>> The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for
>> advocacy and marketing of the *BSD operating systems.
>
> For the fulfillment of this noble mission, it would be better to display
> statistics for the last complete month to casual visitors.  If people
> want to see running counters, this could be done on a different page.

Actually, what we should do is put a 'History' page off that main one that 
expands that chart to include the previous two or three months, as well as this 
one ... would be easier/faster to implement then a graph too ...

Antony?  Have a couple of minutes to whip that together?  Maybe do it similar 
to the countries page, but instead of listing countries, list month/year? 
maybe go back 6 months?


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Re: BSDstats: Stand up and be counted! -- November Statistics

[Marc G. Fournier]

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- --On Wednesday, December 05, 2007 21:22:29 +0100 Tore Lund 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
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>> Percentage Change in November from October:
>>
>>Overall   - 2.5%
>>
>> Broken down as:
>>
>>DesktopBSD   + 31.8%  ( 737 hosts)
>>DragonFly+  9.5%  (  23 hosts)
>>FreeBSD  +  8.4%  (5008 hosts)
>>GNU/kFreeBSD -100.0%  (   0 hosts)
>>MidnightBSD  +133.3%  (  14 hosts)
>>MirBSD   - 28.6%  (   5 hosts)
>>NetBSD   +  7.2%  ( 119 hosts)
>>OpenBSD  + 11.3%  (  79 hosts)
>>PC-BSD   - 13.5%  (6551 hosts)
>
> When I go to www.bsdstats.org, I see these figures:
>
>   Systems
> This MonthPercentage
> FreeBSD   5,041   67.5 %
> PC-BSD1,997   26.7 %
> DesktopBSD241 3.2 %
> NetBSD99  1.3 %
> OpenBSD   56  0.7 %
> DragonFly 24  0.3 %
> MidnightBSD   12  0.2 %
>
> So, what's happening here?  Is it too early in December for some BSD
> varieties to report yet?  Whatever the answer, PC-BSD has hardly lost
> more than 2/3 of its users since November, so something is fishy here.

The above stats are the # of hosts that have reported in so far this month ... 
we get about 40% or so that report in on the 1st of each month, and the rest 
report in through the month to the end ...

If you look at:

  

You can see what the totals were like at the end of last month, as well as how 
things compare against this month so far ...

We hope to have some trends graphs put up on the site shortly, to show a better 
idea of month-to-month ...

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Re: BSDstats: Stand up and be counted! -- November Statistics

[Tore Lund]

Bill Moran wrote:
> Huh?

The figure for PC-BSD in November was 6551.  When I checked earlier this
evening, it was 1997.  I suppose this does NOT mean that 4554 PC-BSD
users have kicked the bucket.  Probably, it means that many PC-BSD
systems have not YET reported to bsdstats in December.  I think this way
of doing it does not serve the following purpose:

> The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for
> advocacy and marketing of the *BSD operating systems.

For the fulfillment of this noble mission, it would be better to display
statistics for the last complete month to casual visitors.  If people
want to see running counters, this could be done on a different page.

Just my not-so-humble opinion.
-- 
Tore



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Re: BSDstats: Stand up and be counted! -- November Statistics

[Bill Moran]

In response to Tore Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
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> > 
> > 
> > Percentage Change in November from October:
> > 
> >Overall   - 2.5%
> > 
> > Broken down as:
> > 
> >DesktopBSD   + 31.8%  ( 737 hosts)
> >DragonFly+  9.5%  (  23 hosts)
> >FreeBSD  +  8.4%  (5008 hosts)
> >GNU/kFreeBSD -100.0%  (   0 hosts)
> >MidnightBSD  +133.3%  (  14 hosts)
> >MirBSD   - 28.6%  (   5 hosts)
> >NetBSD   +  7.2%  ( 119 hosts)
> >OpenBSD  + 11.3%  (  79 hosts)
> >PC-BSD   - 13.5%  (6551 hosts)
> 
> When I go to www.bsdstats.org, I see these figures:
> 
>   Systems
> This MonthPercentage
> FreeBSD   5,041   67.5 %

Oh no!  This is now 5044!

> PC-BSD1,997   26.7 %
> DesktopBSD241 3.2 %
> NetBSD99  1.3 %
> OpenBSD   56  0.7 %
> DragonFly 24  0.3 %
> MidnightBSD   12  0.2 %
> 
> So, what's happening here?

When you install the stats program it registers you, then the sites
statistics get updated.

> Is it too early in December for some BSD
> varieties to report yet?

I've no idea what you're imagining this program does ...

> Whatever the answer, PC-BSD has hardly lost
> more than 2/3 of its users since November, so something is fishy here.

Huh?

> In any case, it would be nice to see a DATE somewhere on these pages.

Date of what?  The stats are live.

> Thanks for your efforts, BTW.  I just ran bsdstats myself.

See.  This is your fault, if people like you keep installing it, the
numbers will keep changing!

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Re: BSDstats: Stand up and be counted! -- November Statistics

[Tore Lund]

Marc G. Fournier wrote:
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> 
> 
> Percentage Change in November from October:
> 
>Overall   - 2.5%
> 
> Broken down as:
> 
>DesktopBSD   + 31.8%  ( 737 hosts)
>DragonFly+  9.5%  (  23 hosts)
>FreeBSD  +  8.4%  (5008 hosts)
>GNU/kFreeBSD -100.0%  (   0 hosts)
>MidnightBSD  +133.3%  (  14 hosts)
>MirBSD   - 28.6%  (   5 hosts)
>NetBSD   +  7.2%  ( 119 hosts)
>OpenBSD  + 11.3%  (  79 hosts)
>PC-BSD   - 13.5%  (6551 hosts)

When I go to www.bsdstats.org, I see these figures:

Systems
This Month  Percentage
FreeBSD 5,041   67.5 %
PC-BSD  1,997   26.7 %
DesktopBSD  241 3.2 %
NetBSD  99  1.3 %
OpenBSD 56  0.7 %
DragonFly   24  0.3 %
MidnightBSD 12  0.2 %

So, what's happening here?  Is it too early in December for some BSD
varieties to report yet?  Whatever the answer, PC-BSD has hardly lost
more than 2/3 of its users since November, so something is fishy here.

In any case, it would be nice to see a DATE somewhere on these pages.

Thanks for your efforts, BTW.  I just ran bsdstats myself.
-- 
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Re: BSDstats: Stand up and be counted! -- November Statistics

[Marc G. Fournier]

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- --On Tuesday, December 04, 2007 18:18:21 + Pollywog 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 04 December 2007 05:55:17 Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
>>
>> For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to
>> set things up.
>
> Is it recommended to do this on more than one home machine running FreeBSD,
> or  just one of them?

All of them ... the code was written so that when you connect the first time, 
your machine will get a unique id to anonymously identify it for future 
transactions, which also ensure that multiple machines behind a NAT or proxy 
server will be reported individually ...

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Re: BSDstats: Stand up and be counted! -- November Statistics

[Bill Moran]

In response to Pollywog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Tuesday 04 December 2007 05:55:17 Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> 
> >
> > For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to
> > set things up.
> 
> Is it recommended to do this on more than one home machine running FreeBSD, 
> or 
> just one of them?

Do this on every machine that you have running FreeBSD.

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Re: BSDstats: Stand up and be counted! -- November Statistics

[Pollywog]

On Tuesday 04 December 2007 05:55:17 Marc G. Fournier wrote:

>
> For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to
> set things up.

Is it recommended to do this on more than one home machine running FreeBSD, or 
just one of them?

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BSDstats: Stand up and be counted! -- November Statistics

[Marc G. Fournier]

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Percentage Change in November from October:

   Overall   - 2.5%

Broken down as:

   DesktopBSD   + 31.8%  ( 737 hosts)
   DragonFly+  9.5%  (  23 hosts)
   FreeBSD  +  8.4%  (5008 hosts)
   GNU/kFreeBSD -100.0%  (   0 hosts)
   MidnightBSD  +133.3%  (  14 hosts)
   MirBSD   - 28.6%  (   5 hosts)
   NetBSD   +  7.2%  ( 119 hosts)
   OpenBSD  + 11.3%  (  79 hosts)
   PC-BSD   - 13.5%  (6551 hosts)

Top 10 Countries reporting in (out of 85 Countries total):

   United States 19.0%
   Australia 13.0%
   Russian Federation 7.7%
   Germany6.0%
   Ukraine5.3%
   Brazil 4.1%
   Panama 3.9%
   Japan  3.7%
   France 2.6%
   United Kingdom 2.3%


Project Objective:

"The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy and
marketing of the *BSD operating systems."


PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to enabled,
while the rest have to be enabled manually.

For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to set
things up.

If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the report
script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, is
being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is  required,
and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are 100%
optional ...

For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread the
word, we need more ...


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BSDstats Statistics for Sept, 2007 ... 12 769 Hosts Reported In

[Marc G. Fournier]

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Percentage Change in September from August:

   Overall   +12.8%

Broken down as:

   DesktopBSD-12.4%  ( 542 hosts)
   DragonFly   0.0%  (  20 hosts)
   FreeBSD   - 7.4%  (5008 hosts)
   GNU/kFreeBSD  -20.0%  (   4 hosts)
   MidnightBSD   +50.0%  (   3 hosts)
   MirBSD-55.2%  (  13 hosts)
   NetBSD+21.2%  ( 126 hosts)
   OpenBSD   -15.5%  (  71 hosts)
   PC-BSD+38.3%  (6980 hosts)



Project Objective:

"The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy and
marketing of the *BSD operating systems."


PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to enabled,
while the rest have to be enabled manually.

For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to set
things up.

Since we don't have any 'trend reports' on the site yet, please feel free to
visit <http://bsdstats.org/os_report.php?lastmonth> to see changes from July ->
August ...

If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the report
script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, is
being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is  required,
and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are 100%
optional ...

For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread the
word, we need more ...

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Re: BSDstats Statistics for Aug, 2007 ...

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,


Marc G. Fournier wrote:

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 FreeBSD   +  2.7%


I hope the numbers are not this bad that my machine alone made your 
numbers jump his much.


My FreeBSD was offline for a year.

It was a hard time.

Erich
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BSDstats Statistics for Aug, 2007 ...

[Marc G. Fournier]

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Although I should send this out more often then I do, last month was a 
particularly good month, with *everyone* except for NetBSD going up in numbers 
...

First off all, for those that aren't aware:

"The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy and 
marketing of the *BSD operating systems."

Through interaction with several system administrators out there, from a 
security / anonymity perspective, we have tried to design things such that we 
save nothing in the database that could be used to compromise  your servers ... 
no hostname, no IP ...

The stats  have also been designed to allow for multiple reporting by the same 
host each month (ie. rebooting your desktop), so it doesn't have to be run just 
on the first of the month.

The web site, although it looks good, is incomplete at this time ... Anthony, 
our 'webmaster' has been a wee bit pre-occupied the past little while, but 
hopes to be able to dive back in again by the end of the month, and clean up 
some of the reports.

To date, we have the following *BSD "distributions" reporting in:

DesktopBSD
DragonFly
FreeBSD
GNU/kFreeBSD
MidnightBSD
MirBSD
NetBSD
OpenBSD
PC-BSD

PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to enabled, 
while the rest have to be enabled manually.

For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to set 
things up.

And that's the "sales pitch" ... over the past few months, we've broken the 
11,000k host mark ...

Since we don't have any 'trend reports' on the site yet, please feel free to 
visit <http://bsdstats.org/os_report.php?lastmonth> to see changes from July -> 
August ...

But, overall for August:

 DesktopBSD+152.7%
 DragonFly +  5.3%
 FreeBSD   +  2.7%
 GNU/kFreeBSD  +150.0%
 MidnightBSD   +100.0%
 MirBSD+190.0%
 NetBSD-  5.5%
 OpenBSD   + 13.5%
 PC-BSD+  0.2%
   ===
   +  5.1%

If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the report 
script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, is 
being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is  required, 
and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are 100% 
optional ...

For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread the 
word, we need more reporters :)




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Re: "BSDstats: Minor Update to Port ..."

[RW]

On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:46:15 +0200
Lars Kristiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> RW skrev:
 
> > A much better solution is to install sysutils/anacron instead; fix
> > the problem, not the symptom.
> 
> I do not think only the bsdstats script is enough to want to install 
> anacron.

The periodic scripts do other things apart from BSDstats. Installing
anacron is very simple and solves the underlying problem, rather than
just one symptom of the problem.


 

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Re: "BSDstats: Minor Update to Port ..."

[Lars Kristiansen]

RW skrev:

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:10:27 +0200
Lars Kristiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Marc G. Fournier skrev:



I've just made a slight change to the port so that it adds a
bsdstats.sh script to /usr/local/etc/rc.d that can be enabled
in /etc/rc.conf so that it runs on system reboot ...

The script that prompts you to enable will auto-enable boottime
reporting if you enable monthly reporting as well ...

It adds half a minute or so to startup-time.

So I changed  the line:
run_rc_command "$1"
to:
run_rc_command "$1" &

To force it to background.
Is this correct action in rc-scripts?


A much better solution is to install sysutils/anacron instead; fix the
problem, not the symptom.


Thank you for answering.
Are you saying that the rc-system should not be used for setting a 
program to background to be able to continue booting?


In that case maybe a simple entry like this in /etc/crontab will do:
@reboot  /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay

I do not think only the bsdstats script is enough to want to install 
anacron.


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Re: "BSDstats: Minor Update to Port ..."

[RW]

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:10:27 +0200
Lars Kristiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Marc G. Fournier skrev:

> > I've just made a slight change to the port so that it adds a
> > bsdstats.sh script to /usr/local/etc/rc.d that can be enabled
> > in /etc/rc.conf so that it runs on system reboot ...
> > 
> > The script that prompts you to enable will auto-enable boottime
> > reporting if you enable monthly reporting as well ...
> 
> It adds half a minute or so to startup-time.
> 
> So I changed  the line:
> run_rc_command "$1"
> to:
> run_rc_command "$1" &
> 
> To force it to background.
> Is this correct action in rc-scripts?

A much better solution is to install sysutils/anacron instead; fix the
problem, not the symptom.


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Re: "BSDstats: Minor Update to Port ..."

[Lars Kristiansen]

Marc G. Fournier skrev:

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It has been brought to my attention that there is / was an inherent flaw in 
how/when bsdstats is run ... it makes the assumption that the server is 
actually *running* at 5am on the 1st of each month, instead of shutdown as 
numerous offices do ...


I've just made a slight change to the port so that it adds a bsdstats.sh script 
to /usr/local/etc/rc.d that can be enabled in /etc/rc.conf so that it runs on 
system reboot ...


The script that prompts you to enable will auto-enable boottime reporting if 
you enable monthly reporting as well ...


It adds half a minute or so to startup-time.

So I changed  the line:
run_rc_command "$1"
to:
run_rc_command "$1" &

To force it to background.
Is this correct action in rc-scripts?

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Regards,
Lars



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