Free BSD

2005-01-06 Thread K.T.

   I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems.
   You never get over Windows or Linux.
   FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-(
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Re: Free BSD

2005-01-06 Thread Danny
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:42:12 +0100, K.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems.

I think you don't know what your talking about.

You never get over Windows or Linux.
FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-(

Prove it.

...D
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Re: Free BSD

2005-01-06 Thread FreeBSD questions mailing list
On 06 jan 2005, at 17:42, K.T. wrote:
   I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems.
   You never get over Windows or Linux.
   FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-(
And your question is?
Arno
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Re: Free BSD

2005-01-06 Thread Louis LeBlanc
On 01/06/05 05:42 PM, K.T. sat at the `puter and typed:
 
I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems.
You never get over Windows or Linux.
FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-(

Now that is by far the stupidest post I've seen in a good long time.

Can you say TROLL?
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Re: Free BSD

2005-01-06 Thread martin hudec
Hello,

On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:55:10AM -0500 or thereabouts, Louis LeBlanc wrote:
 
 Now that is by far the stupidest post I've seen in a good long time.
 


   If that is so, then why do you waste your time by responding to it?
   Such posts are better left ignored. :)


Cheers,

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Re: Free BSD

2005-01-06 Thread Tabor Kelly
K.T. wrote:
I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems.
You never get over Windows or Linux.
FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-(
It's like Dave Horsfall wrote:
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Re: Free BSD

2005-01-06 Thread Duane Winner

K.T. wrote:
  I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems.
  You never get over Windows or Linux.
  FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-(
 

Hey Butthead, heh,heh, I heard that they, uh, like put plutonium in 
bowling balls.

No way, Beavis, that's golf balls you're thinking of. They put people's 
heads in bowling balls, dumbass.

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Re: Free BSD

2005-01-06 Thread K.T.
No, i can´t say TROLL
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Subject: Re: Free BSD


On 01/06/05 05:42 PM, K.T. sat at the `puter and typed:
   I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems.
   You never get over Windows or Linux.
   FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-(
Now that is by far the stupidest post I've seen in a good long time.
Can you say TROLL? 
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Re: Free BSD

2005-01-06 Thread Tom Vilot
Duane Winner wrote:
No way, Beavis, that's golf balls you're thinking of. They put 
people's heads in bowling balls, dumbass. 

Beavis! Your balls are filthy. Too the ball washer  *now* .
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Re: Free BSD

2005-01-06 Thread Joshua Lokken
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:27:29 -0700, Tom Vilot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Duane Winner wrote:
 
  No way, Beavis, that's golf balls you're thinking of. They put
  people's heads in bowling balls, dumbass.
 
 
 Beavis! Your balls are filthy. Too the ball washer  *now* .

But you just keep on responding :(


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Re: Free BSD

2005-01-06 Thread Tom Vilot
Joshua Lokken wrote:
But you just keep on responding :(
Ah, but I was not responding to the troll. :c)
I was responding to Duane. 'tis one of my favorite BB lines ..
That and ... Liar! Liar! Pants on whoa...
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Free NCD Explora 451's to a good home

2004-12-18 Thread J. Seth Henry
Guys/Gals,

I have an old NCD Explora 451 thin client I no longer have room for, as well 
as a copy of NCDware 5.1.140. (It's on a CD-R, but rest assured, it is a 
real, licensed copy from NCD).

I also have another 451, but I think it has a bad ethernet port - it doesn't 
pass a self-diagnostic. I'll toss it in for parts.

These terminals were originally intended to be used in a multimedia setup to 
control a remote media server. but I have since come into possession of a 
number of SFF PIII systems. These terminals are now just sitting around.

Both terminals have 12MB memory cards (with a copy of NCDware on them), so 
there is no need for a tftp/nfs server unless you need remote storage for 
configuration data.

So, for just the cost of shipping, you can get:

2x NCD Explora 451's (though one may have a damaged network port) - includes 
stands
2x 12MB memory cards - preloaded with a copy of NCDware 5.1.140
1x 18.5V 2.7A power supply
1x CD-ROM with a copy of NCDware 5.1.140

I'm going to be away for the holidays, so (unless I get responses before 
Wednesday) this would be available in early January.

Regards, and happy holidays to all!
-Seth
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Free BSD documentation required

2004-12-08 Thread Milind Nanal


List,

I am new to FreeBSD  finding is little difficult with administrative
commands. I have worked on RedHat  Suse.  Service startup, boot scripts,
pstree command everything seems to be different in FreeBsd  compare to
RedHat or Suse.

Can any give me good ref URL other that FreeBSD.org to refer BSD documents.
Basic admin guide, security guide, tools, commands  tips  tricks, HOWTO is
required to get hold the OS  explore in a better manner.


Regards,
 
Milind


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Re: Free BSD documentation required

2004-12-08 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2004-12-08 15:55, Milind Nanal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am new to FreeBSD  finding is little difficult with administrative
 commands. I have worked on RedHat  Suse.  Service startup, boot scripts,
 pstree command everything seems to be different in FreeBsd  compare to
 RedHat or Suse.

True.  FreeBSD *is* different.  It's not Linux, that's for sure :-)

Linux distributions tend to introduce local Linuxisms some times.
This is not truly bad and one can easily understand the motives behind
the additions (compatibility with other SYSV systems, ease of use, etc).

Getting used to such Linuxisms is bad though -- as you have already
discovered.  It tends to be important only when you have to switch to
some other UNIX, which is not Linux.

 Can any give me good ref URL other that FreeBSD.org to refer BSD documents.
 Basic admin guide, security guide, tools, commands  tips  tricks, HOWTO is
 required to get hold the OS  explore in a better manner.

You can start here...

  . http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/basics.html
  . 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/system-administration.html

Then, of course the entire Handbook may be a lot of help too...

  . http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/

Online articles and other guides are available off-site...

  . http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bibliography.html

O'Reilly's OnLamp.com has an excellent list of articles for getting
started with BSD, administering BSD, e-mail, firewalls  security, or
networking...

  . http://www.onlamp.com/pub/q/all_bsd_articles
  . http://www.onlamp.com/topics/bsd/getting_started
  . http://www.onlamp.com/topics/bsd/administration
  . http://www.onlamp.com/topics/bsd/email
  . http://www.onlamp.com/topics/bsd/firewalls
  . http://www.onlamp.com/topics/bsd/security
  . http://www.onlamp.com/topics/bsd/networking

The BSDnews network has a few sites that are VERY useful...

  . http://bsdnews.com/
  . http://ezine.daemonnews.org/
  . http://support.daemonnews.org/

I guess that's enough for a good start with FreeBSD :-)

- Giorgos

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Re: Free BSD documentation required

2004-12-08 Thread Jerry McAllister
 
 List,
 
 I am new to FreeBSD  finding is little difficult with administrative
 commands. I have worked on RedHat  Suse.  Service startup, boot scripts,
 pstree command everything seems to be different in FreeBsd  compare to
 RedHat or Suse.
 
 Can any give me good ref URL other that FreeBSD.org to refer BSD documents.
 Basic admin guide, security guide, tools, commands  tips  tricks, HOWTO is
 required to get hold the OS  explore in a better manner.

First of all, the Handbook which you can get from the FreeBSD.org site
is your best source of information so don't discount it.

Second, make use of searching.  Google will be your friend.

Third, there are several online publications with lots of helpful
articles on various aspects of FreeBSD installation, administration 
and operation.   One of these in Onlamp.com.  There are many others.
You will come across them whevever you do searches.   Read these along 
with, not instead of, the Handbook.

Fourth, after reading these sources, starting with the Handbook
and the man pages and on through searches and online publications,
if you have additional questions or need some more directions, then
post questions to the appropriate FreeBSD Email list.   Questions is
often the most generally helpful.

jerry

 
 Regards,
  
 Milind
 
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Re: Free BSD documentation required

2004-12-08 Thread Adam Smith
On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 03:55:11PM +0530, Milind Nanal said:
 
 
 List,
 
 I am new to FreeBSD  finding is little difficult with administrative
 commands. I have worked on RedHat  Suse.  Service startup, boot scripts,
 pstree command everything seems to be different in FreeBsd  compare to
 RedHat or Suse.

FreeBSD is very well documented.  And different, yes, but different in some
cool and ingenious ways! :)

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/

 Can any give me good ref URL other that FreeBSD.org to refer BSD documents.
 Basic admin guide, security guide, tools, commands  tips  tricks, HOWTO is
 required to get hold the OS  explore in a better manner.

The FreeBSD handbook will cover everything you need, and Google and this
list will do the rest :-)


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Re: Free BSD documentation required

2004-12-08 Thread Joe Altman
On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 03:55:11PM +0530, Milind Nanal wrote:
 
 
 List,
 
 I am new to FreeBSD  finding is little difficult with administrative
 commands. I have worked on RedHat  Suse.  Service startup, boot scripts,
 pstree command everything seems to be different in FreeBsd  compare to
 RedHat or Suse.
 
 Can any give me good ref URL other that FreeBSD.org to refer BSD documents.
 Basic admin guide, security guide, tools, commands  tips  tricks, HOWTO is
 required to get hold the OS  explore in a better manner.

links /usr/share/doc/

links /usr/share/examples/

Or if you have an X session, run links -g on the two paths.

I found OnLamp articles by Dru to be very helpful; and this seems
apropos to your needs:

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2004/11/11/FreeBSD_Basics.html

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/ct/15

Michael Lucas is also noteworthy:

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/ct/13

Dan Langille has a site, and he posts here regularly with updates:

http://www.freebsddiary.org/

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Re: Free BSD documentation required

2004-12-08 Thread W. D.
At 04:25 12/8/2004, Milind Nanal wrote:


List,

I am new to FreeBSD  finding is little difficult with administrative
commands. I have worked on RedHat  Suse.  Service startup, boot scripts,
pstree command everything seems to be different in FreeBsd  compare to
RedHat or Suse.

Can any give me good ref URL other that FreeBSD.org to refer BSD documents.
Basic admin guide, security guide, tools, commands  tips  tricks, HOWTO is
required to get hold the OS  explore in a better manner.


Regards,
 
Milind

Hey Milind,

Here's some more stuff:
http://www.US-Webmasters.com/FreeBSD/Configuration/Shell/

http://www.US-Webmasters.com/FreeBSD/Unix-FreeBSD-Commands-Cheat-Sheet/Commands.txt

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installing cups and setting up a print server on free bsd 5.1

2004-12-08 Thread robert schiess
I am currently trying to set up a print server using cups. I am new at this 
and am having trouble finding the commands of how to install cup and run it. 
I was also wondering if you could help me out on how to set up my computer 
as a print server. I appreciat your time and any help You can give. Thanks.

  Robert Schiess
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installing cups and setting up a print server on free bsd 5.1

2004-12-08 Thread robert schiess
I am currently trying to set up a print server using cups. I am new at this 
and am having trouble finding the commands of how to install cup and run it. 
I was also wondering if you could help me out on how to set up my computer 
as a print server. I appreciat your time and any help You can give. Thanks.

  Robert Schiess
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Re: installing cups and setting up a print server on free bsd 5.1

2004-12-08 Thread Rob
robert schiess wrote:
I am currently trying to set up a print server using cups. I am new at 
this and am having trouble finding the commands of how to install cup 
and run it. I was also wondering if you could help me out on how to set 
up my computer as a print server. I appreciat your time and any help You 
can give. Thanks.
Since you're not mentioning having tried something already, this might
give you a start:
After installing cups, you'll find in /usr/local/etc/rc.d a file called
cups.sh.sample. If you want cups to automatically start at each boot,
copy this to cups.sh. Then you either can reboot your system, or do as
root /usr/local/etc/rc.d/cups.sh start.
In your webbrowser, you can now go to  http://localhost:631/.
Enter 'root' as username and the root password.
Then you get into the CUPS administration pages to add your
printer.
Rob.
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Re: Free BSD documentation

2004-12-08 Thread J W
The most helpful site for me when i wa new to freebsd was
http://www.defcon1.org/  While this site is not the most current out
there, it has tutorials and what not for real world scenerios, ones
the author actually used himself.
However, aside from the FreeBSD Handbook, websites are not all that
organized, and for this reason i would suggest picking up a book such
as Absolute FreeBSD or FreeBSD Unleashed.  They are rather helpful for
the new to intermediate user.  They are also helpful for experienced
Linux users because you have the ability to scan through a particular
section looking for the command, application, etc to do something you
are familiar in linux with.
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Re: Free-BSD FTP Passive Ports?

2004-11-25 Thread Christian Hiris
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 direction

Do you mean ftpd - the ftp-server? Ftpd accepts option -U to change data 
portrange, but you need to mess around with the portrange sysctls. For more 
information please refer to 'man 8 ftpd' and 'man 4 ip'. 

Cheers,
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Free-BSD FTP Passive Ports?

2004-11-24 Thread robg
Hi:

I'm running the built-in FTP program in FreeBSD, but I can't figure
out how to specify passive ports.  Could someone point me in the right
direction

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Re: Installation of Free BSD

2004-11-21 Thread FrostyPup
Can you send me simple detailed directions on the installation as well as  
how to set up for IP address and DSL. The instructions with the disks  were  a 
bit confusing. I can't get the software to open after installation so I know  
that we are doing something wrong. Thanks.
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Re: Installation of Free BSD

2004-11-21 Thread Christian Hiris
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 how to set up for IP address and DSL. The instructions with the disks  were
  a bit confusing. I can't get the software to open after installation so I
 know that we are doing something wrong. Thanks.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/index.html

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Re: Installation of Free BSD

2004-11-21 Thread W. D.
At 10:07 11/21/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can you send me simple detailed directions on the installation as well as  
how to set up for IP address and DSL. The instructions with the disks  were  a 
bit confusing. I can't get the software to open after installation so I know  
that we are doing something wrong. Thanks.

This might also help:
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Help me, Get a Free flat screen

2004-11-05 Thread Daniel Jesperson
Please help me, I'm trying to get a Free TV, check out this site, if
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Re: Help me, Get a Free flat screen

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Re: Help me, Get a Free flat screen

2004-11-05 Thread Jason Stewart
On 05/11/04 01:02 -0800, Daniel Jesperson wrote:
 Please help me, I'm trying to get a Free TV, check out this site, if
 you refer 8 people you get a free TV or Flat screen monitor...
 
Just for the record, I did this and got all of my 8 referrals. I got
my free TV, *but I did not spam* to do it!!! I got 8 of my family and
friends to sign up. Think about it. How many people here are going to
really sign up for your offer when most of these people *really* hate
spam?

Oh, and one other thing... their policy allows them to spam you once
you sign up, although I never actually got any spam as a result.

Regards,
Jason
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Re: [OT]Help me, Get a Free flat screen

2004-11-05 Thread Ed Budd
Daniel Jesperson wrote:
Please help me, I'm trying to get a Free TV, check out this site, if
you refer 8 people you get a free TV or Flat screen monitor...
Copy and paste this link...and add one W to the front and you get a TV
ww.FreeFlatScreens.com/?r=1141739
Best regards, and Thank you
Daniel  Jesperson
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very sad...and some people still wonder how it is there can be so much 
spam when so many profess to hate it.
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Re: [OT]Help me, Get a Free flat screen

2004-11-05 Thread Simon Burke
  Please help me, I'm trying to get a Free TV, check out this site, if
  you refer 8 people you get a free TV or Flat screen monitor...

snip
 
 very sad...and some people still wonder how it is there can be so much
 spam when so many profess to hate it.

I completly agree, though the company im being 'let go' from is just
as bad, i mean come on its not spam, its e-mail marketing??
 Anyway atleast theres less spam here than you get on the linux kernel list.
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Thanks,
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Re: Help me, Get a Free flat screen

2004-11-05 Thread Benjamin Walkenhorst
Daniel Jesperson wrote:
Please help me, I'm trying to get a Free TV, check out this site, if
you refer 8 people you get a free TV or Flat screen monitor...
Copy and paste this link...and add one W to the front and you get a TV
ww.FreeFlatScreens.com/?r=1141739
Best regards, and Thank you
   Daniel  Jesperson
Forget it *so much*.
I'm getting enough spam already because of posting to mailing-lists... =)
Besides, I just ordered a TFT last week... Hehe...
Kind regards,
Benjamin
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Re: Help me, Get a Free flat screen

2004-11-05 Thread Jerry McAllister
 
 Please help me, I'm trying to get a Free TV, check out this site, if
 you refer 8 people you get a free TV or Flat screen monitor...
 
 Copy and paste this link...and add one W to the front and you get a TV
 ww.FreeFlatScreens.com/?r=1141739

You realize they are just trying to build SPAM lists and pretend that
by getting some sort of permission, they aren't really spamming.

jerry

 
 Best regards, and Thank you
 Daniel  Jesperson
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Re: Help me, Get a Free flat screen

2004-11-05 Thread Simon Burke
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:24:46 -0500 (EST), Jerry McAllister
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Please help me, I'm trying to get a Free TV, check out this site, if
  you refer 8 people you get a free TV or Flat screen monitor...
 
  Copy and paste this link...and add one W to the front and you get a TV
  ww.FreeFlatScreens.com/?r=1141739
 
 You realize they are just trying to build SPAM lists and pretend that
 by getting some sort of permission, they aren't really spamming.
 
 jerry
Thats what i use yahoo for. If i need to sign up for something where i
know im going to get spammed, i just use my yahoo address. Theres
sites that offer mails just for this reason but i forgot the URL.

But still the only spam I like is the monty python spam skit
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Re: [OT]Help me, Get a Free flat screen

2004-11-05 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Friday, November 05, 2004 08:41:27 AM -0500 Ed Budd 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
very sad...and some people still wonder how it is there can be so much
spam when so many profess to hate it.
I used to be a very active anti-spammer.  Subscribed to nanae and the whole 
nine yards.  One day I realized I was never going to make a dent in the 
problem because somewhere there's an idiot ready to believe and buy their 
crap.  So I gave up my anti-spammer ways and moved on to more productive 
pursuits (like navel-gazing.)

It's a hopeless problem that will never be solved.  It's like the gnats 
that show up every spring to fly up in your nose and irritate the hell out 
of you.

Now I just whitelist (but not with the damn irritating confirmation emails.)
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free(): error: chunk is already free

2004-10-26 Thread Osmany Guirola Cruz
Hi people ... i am having this error when i close certain applications
for example i run 
%bpm
and when i close it. i got this
bpm in free(): error: chunk is already free
Abort
and create the bpm.core file :-(
and when i run  
%firefox
and close it 

firefox-bin in free(): error: chunk is already free
Abort trap (core dumped)

What should i do?

 Thanks 
   Osmany

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pURCHASE OF FREE BSD

2004-09-29 Thread Jahangir Khan
NAME OF MY COUNTRY- PAKISTA - PK IS NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR LIST. PLEASE DO
TO ENABLE ME TO ORDER.

THANKS  REGARDS


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FREE BSD

2004-09-29 Thread Jahangir Khan

NAME OF MY COUNTRY- PAKISTA N- PK IS NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR LIST. PLEASE DO
TO ENABLE ME TO ORDER.

THANKS  REGARDS


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Re: FREE BSD

2004-09-29 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 12:56:44PM +0500, Jahangir Khan wrote:
 
 NAME OF MY COUNTRY- PAKISTA N- PK IS NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR LIST. PLEASE DO
 TO ENABLE ME TO ORDER.

To order what?  FreeBSD doesn't actually sell anything.  On the other
hand, it makes a great deal of stuff available for anyone to download
for free.  There's no limitation on downloading the system from
anywhere, other than certain national restrictions on strong
cryptography.  Even so, unless your own locale forbids import of
strong crypto, you can always download from, say, Canada or Germany
perfectly legally.

If you're after a set of the FreeBSD installation disks on CD Rom or
DVD, those can be ordered from various companies around the world,
some of which are listed here:

   http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/misc.html

Those companies are not part of FreeBSD.org though: if you're having
problems ordering from one of them, you should contact the customer
support for the company directly.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: pURCHASE OF FREE BSD

2004-09-29 Thread Jerry McAllister
 
 NAME OF MY COUNTRY- PAKISTA - PK IS NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR LIST. PLEASE DO
 TO ENABLE ME TO ORDER.

Which list??

jerry

 
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Installing Free BSD 5.21

2004-09-26 Thread Chris Winkler
I have had a crash on my computer I try to install McAfee Internet Security 6.0 I keep 
getting this error message. The Wizard was
interrupted before 6.o could be completely installed. It say new program when I check 
McAfee it says it is empty. Will installing this 
help this  problem. I don't know much about computers but I am trying to follow all 
the directions from McAfee support but there instructions are just not working.
Kind Regards Chris
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Re: Installing Free BSD 5.21

2004-09-26 Thread stheg olloydson
It was said:

I have had a crash on my computer I try to install McAfee Internet =
Security 6.0 I keep getting this error message. The Wizard was
interrupted before 6.o could be completely installed. It say new
program =
when I check McAfee it says it is empty. Will installing this=20
help this  problem. I don't know much about computers but I am trying
to =
follow all the directions from McAfee support but there instructions
are =
just not working.
Kind Regards Chris

Hello,

Just to be clear, you are trying to install a Windows program on to a
FreeBSD 5.2.1 system. Is that correct? If it is, this is not going to
work. Look on the side of the box under System Requirements to see
which operatings systems the software is designed for.
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Re: panic: rtqkill route really not free

2004-09-19 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 01:40:12AM -0400, NetAdmin wrote:
 I'm running FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE-p2 and today was the second time in 3
 days that my box has rebooted with (panic: rtqkill route really not
 free).  I've looked on the web but can't find anything relevant.  Has
 anyone else run across this?  If so, could you point me to some help in
 trying to figure out how to correct it?

Take a look at 


http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html

If you can configure your system to preserve a crash dump and extract
from it a backtrace which you then use send-pr(1) to send in, you
should find a developer willing to help you.

See also Michael Lucas' Big Scary Daemon articles:

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/03/21/Big_Scary_Daemons.html
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/04/04/Big_Scary_Daemons.html

However, crash bugs like this do not appear spontaneously: something
in your environment changed to cause the problem.  A prime suspect
would be hardware failure -- if you have the resources to do so, try
swapping out components to see if you can isolate the problem.  Don't
forget to swap out the simplest parts, like network cables.  Another
prime suspect would be recent changes made to the configuration of
your system or the network it is attached to.  Given the nature of the
panic, changes to the way routing is done would be a good place to
start investigating.  (Nb. if it turns out to be a change that someone
else made on a machine elsewhere on your network, then reporting the
problem to the FreeBSD developers would become imperative: remote
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panic: rtqkill route really not free

2004-09-18 Thread NetAdmin
I'm running FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE-p2 and today was the second time in 3
days that my box has rebooted with (panic: rtqkill route really not
free).  I've looked on the web but can't find anything relevant.  Has
anyone else run across this?  If so, could you point me to some help in
trying to figure out how to correct it?

Regards,

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Re: runing FreeBSD on WinXP using free PC virtualization software

2004-07-20 Thread andrew clarke
On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 10:27:11AM +0600, ashadul hoque wrote:

 Is there any free software to run FreeBSD on WinXP?

QEMU:

http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/
http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~qemu-win/
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Re: runing FreeBSD on WinXP using free PC virtualization software

2004-07-18 Thread Aaron Myles Landwehr
ashadul hoque wrote:
Hello everyone,
Is there any free software to run FreeBSD on WinXP?
I tried google and it looks like there is no free software to run FreeBSD 
on WinXP.

regards
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Re: runing FreeBSD on WinXP using free PC virtualization software

2004-07-18 Thread James W. Thompson, II
Virtual PC works really well too, but the original poster asked about
'free' options...honestly, I prefer MS Virtual PC to Bochs at this
point, at least on my Mac; but Bochs is coming along nicely.

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:59:59 -0400, Aaron Myles Landwehr
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 ashadul hoque wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 Is there any free software to run FreeBSD on WinXP?
 
 I tried google and it looks like there is no free software to run FreeBSD
 on WinXP.
 
 regards
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Re: runing FreeBSD on WinXP using free PC virtualization software

2004-07-18 Thread arden
i know its not free but vmware must be an option 

arden

On Sun, 2004-07-18 at 17:27, James W. Thompson, II wrote:
 Virtual PC works really well too, but the original poster asked about
 'free' options...honestly, I prefer MS Virtual PC to Bochs at this
 point, at least on my Mac; but Bochs is coming along nicely.
 
 On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:59:59 -0400, Aaron Myles Landwehr
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  ashadul hoque wrote:
  
  Hello everyone,
  
  Is there any free software to run FreeBSD on WinXP?
  
  I tried google and it looks like there is no free software to run FreeBSD
  on WinXP.
  
  regards
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Root fs full - free space always below 0

2004-07-17 Thread Peter Schuller
Hello,

so during a portupgrade on my laptop the root fs, with soft updates enabled, 
became full. So I removed a bunch of stuff to make a few gigs available. I 
checked and df reported more than a gig of free space - so I re-ran 
portupgrade.

Then I noticed it was full again, with df showing a negative amount of free 
space.

I removed even more stuff, and rebooted just incase there were more blocks to 
be freed.

After the reboot df showed a negative amount of space again. So I removed even 
more data (rm -rf /usr/ports/distfiles) and now I had 115 meg free df 
claimed. I then re-ran df in quick succession a few times and watched 
diskspace rapidly decrease to a negative 600 meg or so (note: the decrease 
was perhaps 150 meg/second, so it cannot have been a process writing data to 
disk in the background).

After a couple more reboots and a manual fsck in single user mode I still have 
the same problem (on both CURRENT and 5.2.1-RELEASE kernels).

What to do?

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Re: Root fs full - free space always below 0

2004-07-17 Thread uidzero
Peter Schuller wrote:
Hello,
so during a portupgrade on my laptop the root fs, with soft updates enabled, 
became full. So I removed a bunch of stuff to make a few gigs available. I 
checked and df reported more than a gig of free space - so I re-ran 
portupgrade.

Then I noticed it was full again, with df showing a negative amount of free 
space.

I removed even more stuff, and rebooted just incase there were more blocks to 
be freed.

After the reboot df showed a negative amount of space again. So I removed even 
more data (rm -rf /usr/ports/distfiles) and now I had 115 meg free df 
claimed. I then re-ran df in quick succession a few times and watched 
diskspace rapidly decrease to a negative 600 meg or so (note: the decrease 
was perhaps 150 meg/second, so it cannot have been a process writing data to 
disk in the background).

After a couple more reboots and a manual fsck in single user mode I still have 
the same problem (on both CURRENT and 5.2.1-RELEASE kernels).

What to do?
Have you tried editing your ports-supfile and commenting out the 
src-all and the Chinese, German, etc... ports? Just make sure you have 
all the other ports uncommented. That will save you a lot of space, 
unless you need them.

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Re: Root fs full - free space always below 0

2004-07-17 Thread epilogue
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:37:29 -0500
uidzero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Peter Schuller wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 so during a portupgrade on my laptop the root fs, with soft updates
 enabled, became full. So I removed a bunch of stuff to make a few gigs
 available. I checked and df reported more than a gig of free space - so
 I re-ran portupgrade.
 
 Then I noticed it was full again, with df showing a negative amount of
 free space.
 
 I removed even more stuff, and rebooted just incase there were more
 blocks to be freed.
 
 After the reboot df showed a negative amount of space again. So I
 removed even more data (rm -rf /usr/ports/distfiles) and now I had 115
 meg free df claimed. I then re-ran df in quick succession a few times
 and watched diskspace rapidly decrease to a negative 600 meg or so
 (note: the decrease was perhaps 150 meg/second, so it cannot have been a
 process writing data to disk in the background).
 
 After a couple more reboots and a manual fsck in single user mode I
 still have the same problem (on both CURRENT and 5.2.1-RELEASE kernels).
 
 What to do?
 
 Have you tried editing your ports-supfile and commenting out the 
 src-all and the Chinese, German, etc... ports? Just make sure you have 
 all the other ports uncommented. That will save you a lot of space, 
 unless you need them.

while this 'will' save space, it will 'almost certainly' break any local
/usr/ports/INDEX builds you attempt.


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Re: Root fs full - free space always below 0

2004-07-17 Thread uidzero
epilogue wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:37:29 -0500
uidzero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

Peter Schuller wrote:
   

Hello,
so during a portupgrade on my laptop the root fs, with soft updates
enabled, became full. So I removed a bunch of stuff to make a few gigs
available. I checked and df reported more than a gig of free space - so
I re-ran portupgrade.
Then I noticed it was full again, with df showing a negative amount of
free space.
I removed even more stuff, and rebooted just incase there were more
blocks to be freed.
After the reboot df showed a negative amount of space again. So I
removed even more data (rm -rf /usr/ports/distfiles) and now I had 115
meg free df claimed. I then re-ran df in quick succession a few times
and watched diskspace rapidly decrease to a negative 600 meg or so
(note: the decrease was perhaps 150 meg/second, so it cannot have been a
process writing data to disk in the background).
After a couple more reboots and a manual fsck in single user mode I
still have the same problem (on both CURRENT and 5.2.1-RELEASE kernels).
What to do?
 

Have you tried editing your ports-supfile and commenting out the 
src-all and the Chinese, German, etc... ports? Just make sure you have 
all the other ports uncommented. That will save you a lot of space, 
unless you need them.
   

while this 'will' save space, it will 'almost certainly' break any local
/usr/ports/INDEX builds you attempt.
 

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Just rebuild the INDEX... ?
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runing FreeBSD on WinXP using free PC virtualization software

2004-07-17 Thread ashadul hoque
Hello everyone,

Is there any free software to run FreeBSD on WinXP?

I tried google and it looks like there is no free software to run FreeBSD 
on WinXP.

regards
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Re: runing FreeBSD on WinXP using free PC virtualization software

2004-07-17 Thread James W. Thompson, II
You could run it in Bochs. Check out the project at
http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ I use it on my Mac and it works fine.

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:27:11 +0600, ashadul hoque [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 
 Is there any free software to run FreeBSD on WinXP?
 
 I tried google and it looks like there is no free software to run FreeBSD
 on WinXP.
 
 regards
 Ashadul
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free bsd4.4 lite

2004-07-08 Thread amith bc
Hello,

We have ported TCP/IP Stack from FreeBSD4.4 Lite to
OS/2. We would like to know, if the TCP/IP reset
spoofing vulnerability has been taken care in
FreeBSD4.4 Lite? We are aware that this vulnerability
affects 2.2-stable systems from before
September 16, 1998.  -stable systems after that date
do not suffer from this problem. It will also apply to
FreeBSD 2.2.6 and 2.2.7.

We would like to know if the patch given in
FreeBSD-SA-98_07_rst_asc.htm applies to FreeBSD4.4lite
as well? 
Please help!

Regards,
Amith




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Re: free bsd4.4 lite

2004-07-08 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
amith bc [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 We have ported TCP/IP Stack from FreeBSD4.4 Lite to OS/2.

There is no such thing as FreeBSD 4.4 Lite.

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Re: free bsd4.4 lite

2004-07-08 Thread amith bc
Hi,
Thanks for your early response.
But what about the solution for TCP reset spoofing?
I also do not see any sequence number checking being
done in the code I am using. The tcp_input.c that I am
using is dated  8.12 (Berkeley) 5/24/95. Can you
please help us in finding which BSD level/version this
belongs to?As far as I know, we use FreeBSD4.4.
Please correct us if we are wrong.

And how is TCP Reset spoofing vulnerability taken care
in BSD? Pl. refer this site which talks of this
vulnerability.
http://www.osvdb.org/displayvuln.php?osvdb_id=4030.
Related issue to this is
http://www.osvdb.org/displayvuln.php?osvdb_id=6094 for
which BSD has given patches. Please help as this is
critical to our project.

Regards,
Amith



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  We have ported TCP/IP Stack from FreeBSD4.4 Lite
 to OS/2.
 
 There is no such thing as FreeBSD 4.4 Lite.
 
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Re: free bsd4.4 lite

2004-07-08 Thread Craig Rodrigues
On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 05:48:37AM -0700, amith bc wrote:
 And how is TCP Reset spoofing vulnerability taken care
 in BSD? Pl. refer this site which talks of this
 vulnerability.
 http://www.osvdb.org/displayvuln.php?osvdb_id=4030.
 Related issue to this is
 http://www.osvdb.org/displayvuln.php?osvdb_id=6094 for
 which BSD has given patches. Please help as this is
 critical to our project.


Do you work for IBM, or under contract to IBM?
I remember when I used OS/2 about 7 years ago that
the people at IBM in North Carolina had ported their TCP
stack from BSD Unix.  IBM's port may be earlier than when FreeBSD 4.4 was
released.  You may be using the 4.4 BSD Lite version, which would
map to FreeBSD 2.2 or so.

Look at: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/share/misc/bsd-family-tree?rev=1.81 
for a comprehensive list of BSD versions out there.



For a CVS log of the FreeBSD version of the file which you are interested in,
look at:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/netinet/tcp_input.c

There have been some TCP reset changes since FreeBSD 2.2 (which is quite
an old version).


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Re: free bsd4.4 lite

2004-07-08 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
amith bc [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Thanks for your early response.
 But what about the solution for TCP reset spoofing?
 I also do not see any sequence number checking being
 done in the code I am using. The tcp_input.c that I am
 using is dated  8.12 (Berkeley) 5/24/95. Can you
 please help us in finding which BSD level/version this
 belongs to?As far as I know, we use FreeBSD4.4.
 Please correct us if we are wrong.

If you really have FreeBSD 4.4, then tcp_input.c should contain the
following line:

 $FreeBSD: src/sys/netinet/tcp_input.c,v 1.107.2.16 2001/08/22 00:59:12 silby Exp $

If there is no such line in your tcp_input.c (or a similar one that
starts with $NetBSD: or $OpenBSD:), you must be looking at the
original 4.4BSD Lite2 sources from the CSRG.

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Re: free bsd4.4 lite

2004-07-08 Thread David Raistrick
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, amith bc wrote:

 done in the code I am using. The tcp_input.c that I am
 using is dated  8.12 (Berkeley) 5/24/95. Can you
 please help us in finding which BSD level/version this
 belongs to?As far as I know, we use FreeBSD4.4.

What's the NEXT line in the code?

For example:

 *  @(#)tcp_input.c 8.12 (Berkeley) 5/24/95
 * $FreeBSD: src/sys/netinet/tcp_input.c,v 1.107.2.8 2001/04/18 17:55:23 kris Exp $


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free bsd ver 2.2.8

2004-07-06 Thread pat seddon
Help I need commands to get system working . Booted to motd page but can`t get to the 
directories.
thanks in advance
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free bsd ver 2.2.8

2004-07-06 Thread pat seddon
Help I need some info on how to use this op . I`ve installed , got it to boot , but I 
don`t know what to do next . What do I type in to star system ?
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Re: free bsd ver 2.2.8

2004-07-06 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 11:15:33AM -0400, pat seddon wrote:
 Help I need commands to get system working . Booted to motd page but can`t get to 
 the directories.

You sound as if you need to learn about the unix basics -- commands
like ls, cd, more, cp, mv etc.  There's a bit in the FreeBSD handbook:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/basics.html

but you might find the Introduction to Unix course from Ohio State
to be more to your taste:

http://wks.uts.ohio-state.edu/unix_course/intro-1.html

Cheers,

Matthew

PS.  Why are you using such an old version of FreeBSD?  2.2.8 came out
in December 1998, and it's way out of any active support.  Unless you
have a specific need for 2.2.8 (eg. specific hardware support) I'd
strongly suggest updating to an up-to-date version -- 4.10 is probably
your best choice -- certainly if you're going to put that system on
the public internet.

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NEED HELP WITH VERSION OF FREE BSD!!!

2004-07-05 Thread ORACLE .
Hey i have dowloaded freebsd 5.2.1 for amd because i have amd k-6 II  from the 
following site ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/5.2.1/
 
i have downloaded 5.2.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso this file please tell me how to 
burn it on r-cd to make it bootable free bsd cd and also do i need other files in this 
ftp folder i mean 5.2.1-RELEASE-amd64-bootonly.iso and 
5.2.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc2.iso if i do need these files can you tell me how to burn 
them on the r-cd i mean which Sequence and also the file i downloaded 
5.2.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso  does it have all the packages i need to run a 
system.


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Re: NEED HELP WITH VERSION OF FREE BSD!!!

2004-07-05 Thread Steve Bertrand
 Hey i have dowloaded freebsd 5.2.1 for amd because i have amd k-6 II  from
 the following site
 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/5.2.1/

First of all, I don't know for absolute certainty, but I don't believe
that amd64 is designed for the K6-II. AFAIK, the k62 is a 32-bit
processor.

 i have downloaded 5.2.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso this file please tell
 me how to burn it on r-cd to make it bootable free bsd cd and also do i
 need other files in this ftp folder i mean
 5.2.1-RELEASE-amd64-bootonly.iso and 5.2.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc2.iso if
 i do need these files can you tell me how to burn them on the r-cd i mean
 which Sequence and also the file i downloaded
 5.2.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso  does it have all the packages i need to
 run a system.

The disk1.iso is really all you will need to have an operational system.
You don't just burn the file to CD, you have to 'Burn CD from CD image'.
In adaptec easy-cd creator, this option is under the 'File' menu.

Regards,

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Re: need help with version of {FreeBSD,free BSD}!!!

2004-07-05 Thread Nico Meijer
Hey Oracle,
[I have modified the Subject line just a tad. It looked like you were 
shouting.]

Hey i have dowloaded freebsd 5.2.1 for amd because i have amd k-6 II  from the 
following site
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/5.2.1/
AMD64 is a whole different ballgame, use this directory instead:
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/5.2.1/
i have downloaded 5.2.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso this file please tell me how to 
burn it
on r-cd to make it bootable free bsd cd and also do i need other files in this ftp 
folder
I suggest you look for Nero Burning ROM, Easy CD Creator or cd writing 
software at google.com. As Steve said, don't just burn the file itself 
to cd.

Instead of buying a commercial cd burning program, you could buy a cd 
set. :-)

does it have all the packages i need to run a system.
-disc1 does. -miniinst aswell, IIRC (enough at least to get a decent CLI 
system running). -bootonly I have doubts about.

HTH and good luck... Nico
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RFC: Free Software Hardware Compatibility - Centralised DB

2004-06-11 Thread Zenaan Harkness
PLEASE NOTE:

* Please do not reply-all (this is essentially an announcement and
request for comments. For further discussion, please advise that you
wish to be added to the soon-to-be-created mailing list (I'm still
looking for an appropriate site to host this)).

* Please forward this as appropriate (namely to those involved in
hardware compatibility, certification, driver development, and/ or
manufacture, as it relates to our free software community).



ASSUMPTION:

We in the free software community wish to have better and more up to
date hardware identification and support.

We assume that it is in the best interests of each Free Software
Unix-like operating system distribution, each kernel (eg. Linux, *BSD,
HURD) and in the best interests of the end users, to have a centralised/
unified location for hardware information.

First and foremost though, it is in the best interests of the
manufacturers - to simplify their job:

For Microsoft, they have a single point of contact.

Contrast this with the numerous HCLs, hardware sites (such as
www.linux1394.org and linuxprinting.org), kernels and distributions,
such as Debian, Red Hat, FreeBSD and a myriad of others.

As a manufacturer, it is simply impossible to (generally) go anywhere
near supporting all these free software projects.

And so it is in the best interests of each of us individually, and
collectively, if we can simplify the job of the manufacturer.

As a manufacturer of a widget, if I have a single, commonly known place
to go to provide technical and contact information, as much or as little
as I desire (even perhaps just bus IDs and product names), then I might
actually do so.

We, as a community, might just have a hope of keeping up to date as
compared with the proprietary os's out there, namely MSW*.


-
So, I hereby propose such a database be established.

I am willing to contribute some of my own time and effort to doing so.

This database and surrounding facilities will be os-, vendor-,
distribution- and kernel- neutral, and will thereby attract many
otherwise disparate parties, such as the BSDs and the GNU/Linux distros.

If you and/ or your company is interested in supporting this effort, by
way of working together on this project to unify HCLs, device and driver
information or the like, then please reply to me and let me know that
you would like to be added to the soon-to-be-created mailing list.

If your organization can actively devote even some small resources to
the project, that is obviously very much appreciated.


-
Once the database and submission facilities are minimally established, I
propose that relevant parties widely advertise/ promote the fact to
manufacturers (and users and developers too), that this database is the
preferred and centralized means of submission of such information.

The plan is to integrate seamlessly with existing Distribution-specific
HCLs and due to the centralization provide and richer facility than is
otherwise possible today.


Thank you in advance, and regards to all,
Zenaan


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Re: RFC: Free Software Hardware Compatibility - Centralised DB

2004-06-11 Thread Joel Rees
(Apologies in advance --)
On 2004.6.11, at 06:31 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
PLEASE NOTE:
* Please do not reply-all
Sorry, when you break the rules, the rules are broken. However,
...
ASSUMPTION:
...
We assume that it is in the best interests of each Free Software
Unix-like operating system distribution, each kernel (eg. Linux, *BSD,
HURD) and in the best interests of the end users, to have a 
centralised/
unified location for hardware information.
...
I'm not sure that centralization is a valid assumption in the open 
source community.

Getting hardware is only half the battle. I think that what the members 
of the open source community would prefer is that individuals and 
companies who have hardware to donate would be aware of (1) what 
projects they want or need to support and (2) where the hardware they 
have to donate can best be used. (It's a free market, we just use a 
different currency, so to speak.)

That said, I suspect that, if a company or individual has hardware to 
donate and is not sure where it should go, a broadcast troll like this 
might actually be appropriate.

(Which is why I'm even further breaking protocol here.)
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Re: RFC: Free Software Hardware Compatibility - Centralised DB

2004-06-11 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 09:03, Joel Rees wrote:
  ...
  ASSUMPTION:
  ...
  We assume that it is in the best interests of each Free Software
  Unix-like operating system distribution, each kernel (eg. Linux, *BSD,
  HURD) and in the best interests of the end users, to have a 
  centralised/
  unified location for hardware information.
  ...
 
 I'm not sure that centralization is a valid assumption in the open 
 source community.

The centralization is so that manufacturers have a single point of
contact to submit their own hardware information to, however much or
little that might be.

 ...is that individuals and 
 companies who have hardware to donate ...

This project has _nothing_ to do with donating hardware.

It is about a Hardware Information Database.

Hope that's clear to all
Zenaan
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free

2004-06-08 Thread dauda braimah
How do I install freebsd and another Os in a pc with
2gigabyte hdd disk eg Window XP and freebsd.

How do I format a system that has freebsd 4.5 in it 

Thanks you and God bless




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Re: free

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Moran
dauda braimah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How do I install freebsd and another Os in a pc with
 2gigabyte hdd disk eg Window XP and freebsd.
 
 How do I format a system that has freebsd 4.5 in it 

Have you read the install docs?:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html

Be sure you back up any important data before starting, _especially_ if 
you're unfamiliar with the process.

If you hit specific questions or problems as you go, don't hesitate to ask
the list again.

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Re: free

2004-06-08 Thread Bill Moran
[Please use reply all to include the mailing list in subsequent questions,
I do not always have time to respond to all follow-ups.]

dauda braimah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Bill,
 thanks for that email and the prompt reply.
 
 What practical minimum size required to install
 freebsd and XP

I have not idea how little a disk Windows XP will fit on, but I doubt 2G will
be big enough.

How much space you need for FreeBSD depends entirely on what you want to do.
If you just want to use it as an internet firewall, you can do a minimal
installation of less than a few hundred meg.  If you want to do C-language
development for servers or console applications, you could probably get away
with less than 1G.  If you want a full-blown graphical interface with web
browser and office suite, you're going to need at least 10G.

 
 Thanks 
  dauda braimah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   How do I install freebsd and another Os in a pc
  with
   2gigabyte hdd disk eg Window XP and freebsd.
   
   How do I format a system that has freebsd 4.5 in
  it 
  
  Have you read the install docs?:
  
 
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html
  
  Be sure you back up any important data before
  starting, _especially_ if 
  you're unfamiliar with the process.
  
  If you hit specific questions or problems as you go,
  don't hesitate to ask
  the list again.


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Re: free

2004-06-08 Thread Kent Stewart
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 10:38 am, Bill Moran wrote:
 [Please use reply all to include the mailing list in subsequent
 questions, I do not always have time to respond to all follow-ups.]

 dauda braimah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Bill,
  thanks for that email and the prompt reply.
 
  What practical minimum size required to install
  freebsd and XP

 I have not idea how little a disk Windows XP will fit on, but I doubt
 2G will be big enough.

I agree. My WinXP directory by itself is 1.8 GB and the applications are 
exponential from there :).


 How much space you need for FreeBSD depends entirely on what you want
 to do. If you just want to use it as an internet firewall, you can do
 a minimal installation of less than a few hundred meg.  If you want
 to do C-language development for servers or console applications, you
 could probably get away with less than 1G.  If you want a full-blown
 graphical interface with web browser and office suite, you're going
 to need at least 10G.

I am not sure that is enough. For example, just updating java-1.4, you 
need 1.7+ GB free. I think there are other ports that need much more. I 
have /usr/ports as a stand alone mount point and created a 15 GB 
filesystem just for the ports. It is currently running at 20% used.

Kent

  Thanks
 
   dauda braimah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How do I install freebsd and another Os in a pc
  
   with
  
2gigabyte hdd disk eg Window XP and freebsd.
   
How do I format a system that has freebsd 4.5 in
  
   it
  
   Have you read the install docs?:
 
  http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.h
 tml
 
   Be sure you back up any important data before
   starting, _especially_ if
   you're unfamiliar with the process.
  
   If you hit specific questions or problems as you go,
   don't hesitate to ask
   the list again.

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Re: free

2004-06-08 Thread arden
can't believe I'm answering this especially on here but the min spec for
XP is 1.5 gig that doesn't leave much for BSDs or to run any
applications in either OS hard disks are cheap as chips these days think
its time to upgrade 

arden  

  
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 18:38, Bill Moran wrote:
 [Please use reply all to include the mailing list in subsequent questions,
 I do not always have time to respond to all follow-ups.]
 
 dauda braimah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Bill,
  thanks for that email and the prompt reply.
  
  What practical minimum size required to install
  freebsd and XP
 
 I have not idea how little a disk Windows XP will fit on, but I doubt 2G will
 be big enough.
 
 How much space you need for FreeBSD depends entirely on what you want to do.
 If you just want to use it as an internet firewall, you can do a minimal
 installation of less than a few hundred meg.  If you want to do C-language
 development for servers or console applications, you could probably get away
 with less than 1G.  If you want a full-blown graphical interface with web
 browser and office suite, you're going to need at least 10G.
 
  
  Thanks 
   dauda braimah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
How do I install freebsd and another Os in a pc
   with
2gigabyte hdd disk eg Window XP and freebsd.

How do I format a system that has freebsd 4.5 in
   it 
   
   Have you read the install docs?:
   
  
  http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html
   
   Be sure you back up any important data before
   starting, _especially_ if 
   you're unfamiliar with the process.
   
   If you hit specific questions or problems as you go,
   don't hesitate to ask
   the list again.
 

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Free BSD

2004-05-14 Thread Jan Prokop
Hello,
I like open source solutions because it's a future.
I would like to help with spreading open source.
I've made e-shop OS3 (Open Source Solutions Shop - www.os3.wz.cz).
I'll help with spread by burned CDs.
I'll download somewhere your software and burn in on CDs and sell it to people who 
wants it.
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Help: /var: create/symlink failed, no inodes free

2004-05-03 Thread Oxid
HI!



- /var: create/symlink failed, no inodes free

Could anyone tell me what this means and how to fix it? :)

Thanks.

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Re: Help: /var: create/symlink failed, no inodes free

2004-05-03 Thread Bill Moran
Oxid wrote:
HI!

- /var: create/symlink failed, no inodes free

Could anyone tell me what this means and how to fix it? :)
inodes are needed for directory entries.  Running out of inodes means
you've run out of space for directory entries, and thus can't create
any new files.
df -hi will tell you how many inodes are available on your
filesystems.
Short-term, the solution is to delete some files off your /var
partition.  Long term, you may need to reformat /var with more inodes
than the default, if this is a chronic problem.
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Inact v. Free Memory

2004-04-08 Thread Micah Bushouse
I have a quick question regarding the differences between Inactive and 
Free memory.

Context:  I'm running 4.9 stable as a desktop machine.  Right after a 
fresh reboot most of the system memory shows up as Free (using top). 
Then, after a few hours of work... running X, web browsers, and the 
like, most appears in Inact.

My question is...  after I shut down all programs, ctrl alt backspace X, 
and get back to a terminal, why does top still show all the memory just 
freed by my desktop programs as inactive?

Please see my attached top_output.txt.  You'll notice that after adding 
up all the memory in the programs that are still running, the total 
doesn't come close to reaching 308M Inact.

Thanks,
Micah
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Re: Inact v. Free Memory

2004-04-08 Thread Charles Swiger
On Apr 8, 2004, at 8:33 AM, Micah Bushouse wrote:
My question is...  after I shut down all programs, ctrl alt backspace 
X, and get back to a terminal, why does top still show all the memory 
just freed by my desktop programs as inactive?
The system still has the contents of your old programs kept in memory, 
but marked as inactive.  If you start running one of those programs 
again, the system will reuse pages of inactive memory where possible, 
rather than reading everything from disk again.

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5.2-current does not allow login and panics with modified memory after free

2004-04-02 Thread Artem Koutchine
Hello!

I am trying to run 5.2-CURRENT (cvsupped and rebuild apr 1) on the following
server:

Supermicro DPE-G2 motherboard
DUAL XEON 2.66Ghz (HT enabled)
2GB RAM
4 SATA SEAGTE 120GB DRIVES
3WARE 8506-4LP SATA RAID5 CONTROLLER

SATA drivers are joint into a single RAID5 array which is seens
as twe0.

3dm is installed.

The box ran half a day and a night just fine. After that it was shutdown
correctly and after a couple of hours turned on.

I have heared (leds do not work due to connector incompatibility with
supermicro case) high hdd activity for some time, but all filesysrems
were marked as clean. I tried to login but i could not because after i
types 'root' at the login nothing happened at all. Just a blinking cursor.
However, the box was not hanging - screensaver appeared after some
time and i can type on tty and also swicth vttys and use scroll lock to
scroll
boot messages. 3DM did not respond via web. So, i waited 4 hours and
rebooted.

After reboot i can logon but after several requests  to RAID status via
web (3dm) i got the following on the console:

twe0: TWEIO_GET_PARAM failed for 0x402/0x3/16

Then after a minute or two the following happened:

Memory modified after free 0x788f400(508) val=20202020 @ 0xe788f400
panic: Most recently used by devbuf
at line 128 in file /usr/src/sys/udm_dbg.c
cpu=0;
Debugger (panic)
Stopped at Debugger +0.46: xchgl %ebx, in_Debugger.0

and i typed 'c' in debugger:

the system started to shutdown and here is what i saw:

twe0: failed to delete unit 0
stray irq9

Is this all a twe driver problem or general 5.2-CURRENT instability?
Any ideas what happened in two cases and how to avoid it or/and
solve the problems?



Regards,
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Russia, Moscow
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Re: Why does `df` lie about free space (it doesn't)

2004-03-18 Thread Kyryll A Mirnenko
Using tunefs -m. You need to be really careful doing this, and read
the man page for tunefs again, particularly the warning about how
lowering this number can trash your filesystem's performance.

  I don't want that, I need to allow using preserved 8% of disk space to a little 
group of non-root users (for ex. postgres  rootty, my unprivileged user), but noone 
more. How do I do this?

PS. You keep on appearing to confuse the notion of free data blocks with
free inodes. They're not the same thing: they are two distinct resources
and your filesystem can run out of either pretty much independently.

  inode(5) descrbes inodes as a table of block addresses kinda FAT but with variable 
block sizes inodes point to. That is.

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Re: Why does `df` lie about free space (it doesn't)

2004-03-18 Thread Jan Grant
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Kyryll A Mirnenko wrote:

 Using tunefs -m. You need to be really careful doing this, and read
 the man page for tunefs again, particularly the warning about how
 lowering this number can trash your filesystem's performance.

   I don't want that, I need to allow using preserved 8% of disk space
 to a little group of non-root users (for ex. postgres  rootty, my
 unprivileged user), but noone more. How do I do this?

You don't, without hacking filesystem code. The suggestion of another
poster to buy more disk is a good one.

 PS. You keep on appearing to confuse the notion of free data blocks with
 free inodes. They're not the same thing: they are two distinct resources
 and your filesystem can run out of either pretty much independently.

   inode(5) descrbes inodes as a table of block addresses kinda FAT but
 with variable block sizes inodes point to. That is.

It's not really like FAT operation at all; but another responder has
given some detail along these lines.

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Re: Why does `df` lie about free space

2004-03-17 Thread Jan Grant
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Kyryll A Mirnenko wrote:

   Thanks, thats what I want. So that means nobody but root can write
 to that preserved (with `tunefs -m`) space? How can I allow more users
 to do that?

Using tunefs -m. You need to be really careful doing this, and read
the man page for tunefs again, particularly the warning about how
lowering this number can trash your filesystem's performance.

   (my mail server crashed on friday, so I didn't receive freebsd
 digest about this)

jan

PS. You keep on appearing to confuse the notion of free data blocks with
free inodes. They're not the same thing: they are two distinct resources
and your filesystem can run out of either pretty much independently.

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Re: Why does `df` lie about free space

2004-03-17 Thread Jerry McAllister
 
   That's an old problem, but yesterday I was working with 1.4G UFS2-slice 
 reported by `df` to have 400kb of free space. Alternative calculations (e.g. 
 writing a random file until kernel says no inode's free) give a result of 
 more that 100M (!) unused. Thats about 7% of the whole size!
   That could a harmless bug, but some applications (PostgreSQL is!) uses 
 statfs to get free space info. Posetgres dies saying can't write his *.pid 
 cause FS is full (but it has 100M inodes free)...
   So whats wrong with `df` (e.g. statfs/fstatfs)?

Nothing.  The thing that is wrong is that you do not understand disks.

Disk space and inodes are almost completely unrelated concepts.
If you look at the df man page, you might notice that if you
do a df -i it will report the number of inodes as well as the
amount of disk space.   Those are under columns labeled iused, ifree
and %iused.

Disk space is just that, the amount of disk storage used and available
but inodes are table entries.   When you originally newfs a file system
it creates a table with a certain number of entries.  One of those entries
is used for each file, directory and symlink that is created - no matter
how big the file is.  It is essentially a list of the files on the file
system along with a bit of information on how to find the file and dates
and such.   So, if you create a lot of tiny files, you are likely to run 
out of inodes long before you run out of space on the disk.  On the other 
hand, if you create even just one huge file, you could use just one inode 
and still use up all of the disk space.

In addition to this, there are things such as reserves and different
ways of measuring amounts of disk used that mean that different
utilities report disk usage somewhat differently.  

All of this is well documented in the handbook, various published FreeBSD 
guides, plus there are FAQs on it so better start studying before you go to 
claiming that something is not working correctly.

jerry

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Re: Why does `df` lie about free space

2004-03-17 Thread Kirk Strauser
At 2004-03-17T06:59:39Z, Kyryll A Mirnenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   Thanks, thats what I want. So that means nobody but root can write to
   that preserved (with `tunefs -m`) space? How can I allow more users to
   do that?

Buy more disk.  Seriously.  Don't mess with this value unless you have a
very specific reason to do so, such as if you're developing filesystem
code.  Repeat: leave it alone and buy more disk.
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Re: Why does `df` lie about free space

2004-03-16 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 02:31:11AM +0200, Kyryll A Mirnenko wrote:

   So whats wrong with `df` (e.g. statfs/fstatfs)?

It's not a bug, any more than it was when you asked on Friday.

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Re: Why does `df` lie about free space

2004-03-16 Thread Kyryll A Mirnenko
  Thanks, thats what I want. So that means nobody but root can write to that preserved 
(with `tunefs -m`) space? How can I allow more users to do that?
  (my mail server crashed on friday, so I didn't receive freebsd digest about this)

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Why does `df` lie about free space

2004-03-12 Thread Kyryll A Mirnenko
  That's an old problem, but yesterday I was working with 1.4G UFS2-slice 
reported by `df` to have 400kb of free space. Alternative calculations (e.g. 
writing a random file until kernel says no inode's free) give a result of 
more that 100M (!) unused. Thats about 7% of the whole size!
  So whats wrong with `df`?

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free DB designer

2004-03-08 Thread Kyryll A Mirnenko
  Does anyone know a freeware database designer (e.g. capable to create nice 
ir-models) for at least MySQL? Visual SQL Designer can be a good commercial 
example.

  Bets regards, Kyryll Mirnenko
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Re: free DB designer

2004-03-08 Thread Nicholas Wieland
Il Lun, 2004-03-08 alle 19:42, Kyryll A Mirnenko ha scritto:
   Does anyone know a freeware database designer (e.g. capable to create nice 
 ir-models) for at least MySQL? Visual SQL Designer can be a good commercial 
 example.

http://fabforce.net/dbdesigner4/

HTH,
  ngw

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Re: Error when installing FreeBSD 5.2: /mnt/usr: create symlink failed, no inode free

2004-02-21 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Dave Vollenweider [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Been trying to install FreeBSD 5.2 using the kern.flp and mfsroot.flp images on 
 floppies and proceeding with a network install via FTP on an old Acer Aspire with a 
 Pentium 120 MHz processor and 80 MB of RAM on a 1.6 GB hard drive (the second on the 
 system; I have another OS on the other hard drive which shall remain nameless).
 
 The install goes fine until it begins to extract the files to the /usr directory, at 
 which it then spits out this error multiple times:
 
 /mnt/usr: create symlink failed, no inode free
 
 and continues to do so whenever something is added to the hard drive during the 
 installation.  Curiously enough, though, the installation continues, even though I 
 got that error message again and again when the base install was completed and the 
 extra packages were being installed.  I decided at that point to abort the 
 installation.
 
 Is there any way for me to fix this, and if so, how can I do it?

Try allocating all of the disk space to a single root partition.
This will make backups a little more difficult, but not much.

Alternatively, try a more minimal installation at first, and then add
things later, when you can follow the inode usage more closely.
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Error when installing FreeBSD 5.2: /mnt/usr: create symlink failed, no inode free

2004-02-19 Thread Dave Vollenweider
Hello,

Been trying to install FreeBSD 5.2 using the kern.flp and mfsroot.flp images on 
floppies and proceeding with a network install via FTP on an old Acer Aspire with a 
Pentium 120 MHz processor and 80 MB of RAM on a 1.6 GB hard drive (the second on the 
system; I have another OS on the other hard drive which shall remain nameless).

The install goes fine until it begins to extract the files to the /usr directory, at 
which it then spits out this error multiple times:

/mnt/usr: create symlink failed, no inode free

and continues to do so whenever something is added to the hard drive during the 
installation.  Curiously enough, though, the installation continues, even though I got 
that error message again and again when the base install was completed and the extra 
packages were being installed.  I decided at that point to abort the installation.

Is there any way for me to fix this, and if so, how can I do it?

- Dave V.
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Determining free memory on FreeBSD 4.8-REL

2004-02-13 Thread dap
I know this question has been asked, but the answers I find tend to be along
the lines of Well, it's complicated.

How do I determine if my FreeBSD is actually low on memory not? And what is
Inact? I did read the manpages, but even they seem to skirt how I should
view Inact vs. Free. (I did read the tuning manpage.)

Let's say I have this:

last pid: 23737;  load averages:  0.21,  0.15,  0.27  up 5+20:43:14
15:22:31
231 processes: 1 running, 230 sleeping
CPU states:  5.0% user,  0.0% nice,  2.7% system,  1.6% interrupt, 90.7%
idle
Mem: 76M Active, 25M Inact, 62M Wired, 2876K Cache, 35M Buf, 82M Free
Swap: 496M Total, 41M Used, 456M Free, 8% Inuse

So I have 82MB of free memory, 35MB of memory being used by the OS as disk
IO, cache is different from Buf in some way or another (the top manpage
doesn't quite go into details here). I don't quite get Inact and Wired.

Why am I using 41MB of swap then if I have 82MB of free memory?

On another box I have:

last pid: 42029;  load averages:  0.46,  0.38,  0.34   up 5+20:24:15
15:27:12
35 processes:  2 running, 33 sleeping
CPU states:  1.0% user,  0.0% nice, 11.7% system,  6.1% interrupt, 81.3%
idle
Mem: 51M Active, 332M Inact, 97M Wired, 19M Cache, 61M Buf, 992K Free
Swap: 1008M Total, 116K Used, 1008M Free

992K in Free but 332MB in Inact. So what is my conclusion here? That I have
332,992 KB free for use?

Looking at vmstat I have no swapping going on:

# vmstat 5
 procs  memory  pagedisks faults  cpu
 r b w avmfre  flt  re  pi  po  fr  sr ad0 ad4   in   sy  cs us sy
id
 3 0 0  189844  29624   80   0   0   0 442 375   0   0 2863 4011 564  3  6
90 (ignore)
 2 0 0  188480  271322   0   0   0 829 714   0   0 5244 1041 667  1  9
90
 2 0 0  188900  166601   0   0   0 1231 710   0   3 7215 1425 809  1 10
89

If I see ANY swapping going on should I worry? I don't think so. Some
swapping is normal in UNIX in general.


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Re: Determining free memory on FreeBSD 4.8-REL

2004-02-13 Thread Uwe Doering
Erik Trulsson wrote:
On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 03:28:34PM -0600, dap wrote:
How do I determine if my FreeBSD is actually low on memory not? And what is
Inact? I did read the manpages, but even they seem to skirt how I should
view Inact vs. Free. (I did read the tuning manpage.)
Let's say I have this:
[...]
So I have 82MB of free memory, 35MB of memory being used by the OS as disk
IO, cache is different from Buf in some way or another (the top manpage
doesn't quite go into details here). I don't quite get Inact and Wired.
You can view all of Inactive, Cache and Free as free memory. The
difference is if the memory might be dirty and need to be flushed to
swap before being reused. (Free is completely free and ready to be used
at once, Cache is probably not dirty, while Inactive is probably
dirty.)
Let me rephrase this a little.  Pages in Inactive _can_ be dirty (if 
they have been written to) while pages in Cache are already clean 
(laundered), that is, can be used for other purposes without delay, but 
can also be reactivated (moved to Active) if their current contents is 
needed again.  Inactive, on the other hand, has to be laundered before 
the pages move on to Cache, which they eventually do.

It works like this: If the kernel's laundry routine finds a dirty page 
in Inactive for the first time it marks and skips it, in the hopes that 
the page is ephemeral and will be gone next time around.  If it's not 
gone and the launderer finds it for the second time it schedules it for 
flushing to disk and skips it again.  If it later finds the page for the 
third time it is hopefully clean by then and can be moved to Cache.

Pages that are clean right from the start (that only have been read) 
will be moved to Cache without further ado, whenever (Cache+Free) falls 
below its lower hysteresis level.  That is, the move will be in chunks.

And yes, I agree that it's a little complicated. ;-)

If I see ANY swapping going on should I worry? I don't think so. Some
swapping is normal in UNIX in general.
As you note a little bit of swapping is perfectly normal.
If you start to see a lot of swapping you probably want more memory.
The slow increase in swapped-out pages you see over time even if the 
system is not short of memory is caused by the laundry procedure I 
described above, and is perfectly normal.  It's kind of a preemptive 
strategy in order to have enough clean pages available without delay 
when you need them.

Hope to have shed some light on the subject.

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Re: [FAQ] Re: Free space wierdness

2004-02-06 Thread Jerry McAllister
 
 Herbert Wolverson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  This is good, since the correct amount of free space now shows, and the
  server is back to running perfectly. Can anyone shed any light as to why
  this discrepancy happened in the first place? I'd love to know what I can do to 
  avoid ever having to worry
  about this again!
 
 The du and df commands show different amounts of disk space available. What is 
 going on?
   http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#DU-VS-DF
 
 How is it possible for a partition to be more than 100% full?
   http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#DISK-MORE-THAN-FULL

These two questions are discussed so frequently on this and other lists
that you should be able to get numerous explanations with a small
search on Google and I would be surprised if there were not a FAQ on
this.  So, check the web page.   

Basically, du and df look a slightly different things and there is
a difference between how much root and regular users are allowed to
write to a filesystem.

jerry

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Free space wierdness

2004-02-05 Thread Herbert Wolverson
I have a system running FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE. It primarily functions as a firewall and 
router, and is generally pretty lightly loaded (load averages around 0.2). It
is a low end system (P200, 64mb RAM, 2 gig hard drive), and is generally
stable as a rock.

The system has drives setup as follows:
/   256M (UFS)
/usr1.2gb (UFS+Softupdates)
(/var and /tmp are linked onto /usr/var and /usr/tmp respectively)

This morning I noticed that the / partition was at 108% utilization,
and df -h looked like this (approximately):

FilesystemSize   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/ad0s1a   252M   256M  -8M108% /

Oddly, du -h -d1 -x showed only a total of 29Mb used on the partition!
The output looked like this:

su-2.05b# du -h -d1 -x
 68K./dev
2.0K./usr
2.7M./stand
1.3M./etc
512B./proc
4.0M./bin
542K./boot
2.0K./mnt
6.4M./modules
 30K./root
 12M./sbin
4.0K./tmp
4.0K./oldvar
 29M.

When I rebooted the system (without deleting any files), df -h showed
the following:

FilesystemSize   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/ad0s1a   252M29M   203M12%/

This is good, since the correct amount of free space now shows, and the
server is back to running perfectly. Can anyone shed any light as to why
this discrepancy happened in the first place? I'd love to know what I can do to avoid 
ever having to worry
about this again!

Thanks,
Herbert Wolverson,
The Turner Stephenson Group, Inc.
http://www.tsghelp.com/
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Re: Free space wierdness

2004-02-05 Thread Nathan C. Burnett
I recently had a similar phenomenon happen on a Linux box, but the same
could happen on BSD I believe.

The problem ended up being that a process had created a bunch of huge
files, then deleted them but hadn't closed them yet.  The space doesn't
get reclaimed until the file is deleted and has no open file descriptors.
This is why the space came back after the reboot.  If it happens again you
can use 'lsof' (available in the ports collection) to find out what's
holding the descriptors open.

As for being over 100% capacity, I believe UFS (like most *nix
filesystems) reserves some amount of space that only root can use.  This
lets you boot and repair a system is an important filesystem (e.g. /,
/usr) is full.

Hope this sheds some light,
-Nate

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Herbert Wolverson wrote:

 I have a system running FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE. It primarily functions as a firewall and
 router, and is generally pretty lightly loaded (load averages around 0.2). It
 is a low end system (P200, 64mb RAM, 2 gig hard drive), and is generally
 stable as a rock.

 The system has drives setup as follows:
 / 256M (UFS)
 /usr  1.2gb (UFS+Softupdates)
 (/var and /tmp are linked onto /usr/var and /usr/tmp respectively)

 This morning I noticed that the / partition was at 108% utilization,
 and df -h looked like this (approximately):

 FilesystemSize   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on
 /dev/ad0s1a   252M   256M  -8M108% /

 Oddly, du -h -d1 -x showed only a total of 29Mb used on the partition!
 The output looked like this:

 su-2.05b# du -h -d1 -x
  68K./dev
 2.0K./usr
 2.7M./stand
 1.3M./etc
 512B./proc
 4.0M./bin
 542K./boot
 2.0K./mnt
 6.4M./modules
  30K./root
  12M./sbin
 4.0K./tmp
 4.0K./oldvar
  29M.

 When I rebooted the system (without deleting any files), df -h showed
 the following:

 FilesystemSize   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on
 /dev/ad0s1a   252M29M   203M12%/

 This is good, since the correct amount of free space now shows, and the
 server is back to running perfectly. Can anyone shed any light as to why
 this discrepancy happened in the first place? I'd love to know what I can do to 
 avoid ever having to worry
 about this again!

 Thanks,
 Herbert Wolverson,
 The Turner Stephenson Group, Inc.
 http://www.tsghelp.com/
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Re: Free space wierdness

2004-02-05 Thread HOLLOW, CHRISTOPHER
UNIX file caching.  The files were likely deleted but still open by some 
process and therefore still taking up space.  The reboot killed the 
process, released the file and -viola- the free space was reported 
correctly.

HTH,

Christopher Hollow

Herbert Wolverson wrote:

I have a system running FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE. It primarily functions as a firewall and 
router, and is generally pretty lightly loaded (load averages around 0.2). It
is a low end system (P200, 64mb RAM, 2 gig hard drive), and is generally
stable as a rock.

The system has drives setup as follows:
/   256M (UFS)
/usr1.2gb (UFS+Softupdates)
(/var and /tmp are linked onto /usr/var and /usr/tmp respectively)
This morning I noticed that the / partition was at 108% utilization,
and df -h looked like this (approximately):
FilesystemSize   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/ad0s1a   252M   256M  -8M108% /
Oddly, du -h -d1 -x showed only a total of 29Mb used on the partition!
The output looked like this:
su-2.05b# du -h -d1 -x
68K./dev
2.0K./usr
2.7M./stand
1.3M./etc
512B./proc
4.0M./bin
542K./boot
2.0K./mnt
6.4M./modules
30K./root
12M./sbin
4.0K./tmp
4.0K./oldvar
29M.
When I rebooted the system (without deleting any files), df -h showed
the following:
FilesystemSize   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/ad0s1a   252M29M   203M12%/
This is good, since the correct amount of free space now shows, and the
server is back to running perfectly. Can anyone shed any light as to why
this discrepancy happened in the first place? I'd love to know what I can do to avoid 
ever having to worry
about this again!
Thanks,
Herbert Wolverson,
The Turner Stephenson Group, Inc.
http://www.tsghelp.com/
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