Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
Lotfi kecir wrote: HI, thank's for your post. to give answer to your answer: i rent a dedicated server (Fedora 6) witch has qmail installed on. and in my old Server witch is in our office turn has Postfix. The new sever has as Admin panel Plesk. I already create all email acounts and now i'm looking to transfert all my user acount mailboxes. and i don't have any idea to do it. Thanks for your help First item, ignore the qmail haters. We run qmail quite successfully and find it very powerful, very secure, and well designed. I will not go into a point by point debate. Second item, plesk is a very bad way to run qmail. You will get *no* help on the qmail list if you use the install on plesk. It is a modified version of qmail and the modifications are closed door, at least that is my understanding. So if you do not have an excellent understanding of Unix, and above average understanding of email, and good troubleshooting skills, you are in for a very rocky ride. By your description of the problem an experienced Unix administrator would have no problem doing what you ask. Consider staying with Postfix as you already know the software. If you insist on switching, ask the Plesk developers for help. It is their software, their install, they should be able to help you. DAve -- Three years now I've asked Google why they don't have a logo change for Memorial Day. Why do they choose to do logos for other non-international holidays, but nothing for Veterans? Maybe they forgot who made that choice possible. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
DAve wrote: Lotfi kecir wrote: HI, thank's for your post. to give answer to your answer: i rent a dedicated server (Fedora 6) witch has qmail installed on. and in my old Server witch is in our office turn has Postfix. The new sever has as Admin panel Plesk. I already create all email acounts and now i'm looking to transfert all my user acount mailboxes. and i don't have any idea to do it. Thanks for your help First item, ignore the qmail haters. We run qmail quite successfully and find it very powerful, very secure, and well designed. I will not go into a point by point debate. Second item, plesk is a very bad way to run qmail. You will get *no* help on the qmail list if you use the install on plesk. It is a modified version of qmail and the modifications are closed door, at least that is my understanding. So if you do not have an excellent understanding of Unix, and above average understanding of email, and good troubleshooting skills, you are in for a very rocky ride. By your description of the problem an experienced Unix administrator would have no problem doing what you ask. Consider staying with Postfix as you already know the software. If you insist on switching, ask the Plesk developers for help. It is their software, their install, they should be able to help you. DAve We had similar problem with Plesk and Qmail, crashing very often. We somehow fix that by stoping email antivirus from Plesk. Still crashes, but not so often. I've searched alot, it seems this is happening on Linux too (I've found posts regarding qmail crash on Slackware Linux). best regards, ovi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:36:24 -0400 DAve wrote: First item, ignore the qmail haters. We run qmail quite successfully and find it very powerful, very secure, and well designed. I will not go into a point by point debate. Goo idea! Lets also ignore all Windows haters. I'm sure that plenty of people will say that Windows is fast, secure and without bugs. :-) No, I don't want to start a fight here. I admit, that I don't like qmail and I *have* used it for years. I never hat security problems with it either and what made me think about a different MTA was the fact that qmail on ReiserFS was undefined - and I lost mail. The bad performance result was something found by accident. But that wouldn't make any diff on a private site. Second item, plesk is a very bad way to run qmail. You will get *no* help on the qmail list if you use the install on plesk. It is a modified version of qmail and the modifications are closed door, at least that is my understanding. So if you do not have an excellent understanding of Unix, and above average understanding of email, and good troubleshooting skills, you are in for a very rocky ride. Well, as you say, the Plesk version of qmail sucks (on which we agree) and therefore administration should bei done without Plesk (we agree on that too) then the OP might as well stay with Postfix and just dump Plesk. Are we in agreement? :-) Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:03:53 +0200, Christian Baer wrote: On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:36:24 -0400 DAve wrote: No, I don't want to start a fight here. I admit, that I don't like qmail and I *have* used it for years. I never hat security problems with it either and what made me think about a different MTA was the fact that qmail on ReiserFS was undefined - and I lost mail. The bad performance result was something found by accident. But that wouldn't make any diff on a private site. Is ReiserFS an issue on FreeBSD? And not that this is the first file system issue I've heard about with qmail, but what is an MTA doing that should be file system dependent in any way? I *am* a happy qmail user, but this is something I just don't get. -- David Benfell, LCP [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Resume available at http://www.parts-unknown.org/ NOTE: I sign all messages with GnuPG (0DD1D1E3). pgp5JGDCP2J1n.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
Am Montag 24 September 2007 15:24:09 schrieb David Benfell: And not that this is the first file system issue I've heard about with qmail, but what is an MTA doing that should be file system dependent in any way? I *am* a happy qmail user, but this is something I just don't get. It is filesystem dependent when a write to a filesystem actually becomes permanent (even when O_(D)SYNC is specified in the open syscall, that just makes sure the file data is committed immediately to disk), in the sense that if you switch off the power without syncing, that after filesystem reconstruction on reboot the file is still there, with its contents. (think about delayed metadata-updates on FreeBSD UFS2, for example, ReiserFS has a similar kind of behaviour wrt. updating its B-tree) Only after this true commit has happened is the MTA actually able to give a proper 200 in reply to finishing the SMTP DATA-command, because it can be sure that the mail won't be lost under all normal circumstances (besides having the HD hardware fail, which generally isn't catered for by the MTA). Qmail simply doesn't check properly (in the case of ReiserFS) whether the file has been truly committed before it gives out the 200 reply, so basically, if you deploy ReiserFS (which is known to cache its B-tree aggressively) and have a power-outage while Qmail is writing the queue file to disk, you're at odds that the mail is lost simply because Qmail has already given out the 200 reply to the remote server, even though the file information hasn't been committed to the ReiserFS B-tree (or the journal) yet, so that the file won't be recreated during journal-replay. -- Heiko Wundram Product Application Development ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On 9/21/07, Lotfi kecir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello. i'm newbbie in Unix especially in in FreeBSD. Recently i have setup one mail server with postfix-dovecot and i would like to migrate it to Qmail server. but i didn't know how to do it. Someone can give help me? Thanks. The short answer should be that you just install the mail/qmail port. The details of how to move the mailboxes to the new server depend on what mailbox format you are using now. If they are Maildir format, Qmail will be able to use them with no changes. If they are not Maildir format, you will need to post that information. But please do not use Qmail -- it pollutes everyone else's mailbox with blowback spam. If someone has convinced you that you want to use Qmail, I strongly recommend that you consider Courier instead. It was designed to be a drop-in replacement for Qmail, but does not have most of the problems that Qmail has. The configuration files are very similar to Qmail, so Qmail training should transfer to Courier pretty readily. If you are putting this on the same server you now use for postfix/dovecot, you will probably need to edit /etc/rc.conf to disable your old mail program and enable the new one. E.g. if there is a 'postfix_enable=YES' statement, you may need to replace it with something like 'courier_enable=YES'. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 11:37:53AM -0400, Bob Johnson wrote: On 9/21/07, Lotfi kecir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello. i'm newbbie in Unix especially in in FreeBSD. Recently i have setup one mail server with postfix-dovecot and i would like to migrate it to Qmail server. but i didn't know how to do it. Someone can give help me? Thanks. The short answer should be that you just install the mail/qmail port. The details of how to move the mailboxes to the new server depend on what mailbox format you are using now. If they are Maildir format, Qmail will be able to use them with no changes. If they are not Maildir format, you will need to post that information. But please do not use Qmail -- it pollutes everyone else's mailbox with blowback spam. There are patches to stop that. Look at the mail/qmail-spamcontrol port. It will install a patched version of qmail that can refuse to accept mail to non-existing addresses instead of bouncing them as qmail normally does. If someone has convinced you that you want to use Qmail, I strongly recommend that you consider Courier instead. It was designed to be a drop-in replacement for Qmail, but does not have most of the problems that Qmail has. The configuration files are very similar to Qmail, so Qmail training should transfer to Courier pretty readily. If you are putting this on the same server you now use for postfix/dovecot, you will probably need to edit /etc/rc.conf to disable your old mail program and enable the new one. E.g. if there is a 'postfix_enable=YES' statement, you may need to replace it with something like 'courier_enable=YES'. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:18:53 +0200 Heiko Wundram (Beenic) wrote: The qmail-configuration can be read an evaluated *without* a parser. Excuse my spelling in the last message! :-) I corrected it in this quote. Sorry, but that's BS (IMHO). Don't tell me, tell Dan Berstein (happy hunting): http://cr.yp.to/qmail/guarantee.html Observe point 5. Any program interpreting some form of input is called a parser, and the only distinction is the algorithm you need, i.e. whether you need a full-blown stack-machine to interpret the input (think of recursive declarations), or not. [...] I know what the Postfix configuration looks like, I've been over it a countless number of times. I know it is simple, even to parse, but there is still no real comparision to qmail's configuration. qmail has several settings that come one setting per file. IIRC the other settings go one per line, no comments, no spaces, no quotation marks. I'm not saying the Postfix configuration is not as good or even complex. qmail's configuration is just easier to read and write if both are done be an automation, rather than a human. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said Obscurity in the face of adversity is no dice and while we were trying to figure that out on Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 20:47 he continued with: Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:46:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Christian Baer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: migrate from postfix to qmail On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:47:09 +0200 Lotfi kecir wrote: hello. i'm newbbie in Unix especially in in FreeBSD. Recently i have setup one mail server with postfix-dovecot and i would like to migrate it to Qmail server. but i didn't know how to do it. Someone can give help me? Why in heaven's name would *anyone* want to do that? I have been using Postfix for years now and before that I used qmail - when it was new. qmail sucked *bigtime*! It was slow, picky about the filesystem it worked on (ReiserFS cause very interresting results), a license that doesn't deserve the name and one mistake in the configuration didn't cause an error message but instead sent incoming mail directly to the happy bit grounds. Don't I recall that when a mail is sent to several people at the same domain that qmail generates separate emails for each person instead of the standard way of sending one email with all addresses to the destination machine and letting that machine distribute the emails. That's just bizarre - unles you own the transport provider and make money on all the data transmitted :-( Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
Christian Baer wrote: On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:18:53 +0200 Heiko Wundram (Beenic) wrote: The qmail-configuration can be read an evaluated *without* a parser. Excuse my spelling in the last message! :-) I corrected it in this quote. Sorry, but that's BS (IMHO). Don't tell me, tell Dan Berstein (happy hunting): http://cr.yp.to/qmail/guarantee.html Observe point 5. DJB has not honored at least one vulnerability in qmail. read the link i posted early in this thread and decide for yourself. theres a word for people who say one thing and do another... he changes the rules as needed to ensure his bunk guarantee stands. Even if someone found another one he would blame the person who configured it, or make up some other excuse. none of his software is worth running these days. maybe 10 years ago, but now? no way Eric ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:31:34 -0500 Eric wrote: Don't tell me, tell Dan Berstein (happy hunting): http://cr.yp.to/qmail/guarantee.html Observe point 5. DJB has not honored at least one vulnerability in qmail. read the link i posted early in this thread and decide for yourself. theres a word for people who say one thing and do another... Why do you think I put the happy hunting there? Didn't travel quite as sarcastic as the smile on my face when I wrote it. :-) I don't like qmail much and I certainly don't like DJB's attitude in many cases. He had a few good ideas however and it certainly is not my part to try and take that away from him. Besides, I wasn't trying to prove anything about qmail being good or bad but just something about the configuration and the parsing. I haven't looked at qmail in years. Funny that the Version is still the same as when I used it (that could well be 10 years ago). Today I don't really care if qmail is secure. That would be a typical case of SEP. :-) Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 02:47 +0200, Lotfi kecir wrote: hello. i'm newbbie in Unix especially in in FreeBSD. Recently i have setup one mail server with postfix-dovecot and i would like to migrate it to Qmail server. but i didn't know how to do it. Someone can give help me? Thanks. Qmail sucks for IPv6. Qmail sucks for RFC 2821, as well. Actually Postfix is better than qmail. Byung-Hee ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On 09/22/2007 11:30 AM, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 02:47 +0200, Lotfi kecir wrote: hello. i'm newbbie in Unix especially in in FreeBSD. Recently i have setup one mail server with postfix-dovecot and i would like to migrate it to Qmail server. but i didn't know how to do it. Someone can give help me? Thanks. Qmail sucks for IPv6. Qmail sucks for RFC 2821, as well. Actually Postfix is better than qmail. Byung-Hee The best MTA is? exim? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 11:47 +0200, Johan Andersson wrote: On 09/22/2007 11:30 AM, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 02:47 +0200, Lotfi kecir wrote: hello. i'm newbbie in Unix especially in in FreeBSD. Recently i have setup one mail server with postfix-dovecot and i would like to migrate it to Qmail server. but i didn't know how to do it. Someone can give help me? Thanks. Qmail sucks for IPv6. Qmail sucks for RFC 2821, as well. Actually Postfix is better than qmail. Byung-Hee The best MTA is? exim? Yes, the best MTA is Exim because it has not a weakness. Moreover, Exim is deployed by many FOSS communities. I think Postfix is the 2nd-best MTA, not qmail. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
Hello, 2007/9/22, Byung-Hee HWANG [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 11:47 +0200, Johan Andersson wrote: On 09/22/2007 11:30 AM, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 02:47 +0200, Lotfi kecir wrote: hello. i'm newbbie in Unix especially in in FreeBSD. Recently i have setup one mail server with postfix-dovecot and i would like to migrate it to Qmail server. but i didn't know how to do it. Someone can give help me? Thanks. Qmail sucks for IPv6. Qmail sucks for RFC 2821, as well. Actually Postfix is better than qmail. Byung-Hee The best MTA is? exim? Yes, the best MTA is Exim because it has not a weakness. Moreover, Exim is deployed by many FOSS communities. I think Postfix is the 2nd-best MTA, not qmail. This discussion is rather pointless given that the OP is not asking for opinion. He has to live with qmail set up by his provider. I think he simply wants to know how to move accounts. I cannot help, however, as I have no experience with qmail. Regards, Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On 22 Sep 2007, at 05:29, Lotfi kecir wrote: HI, thank's for your post. to give answer to your answer: i rent a dedicated server (Fedora 6) witch has qmail installed on. and in my old Server witch is in our office turn has Postfix. The new sever has as Admin panel Plesk. I already create all email acounts and now i'm looking to transfert all my user acount mailboxes. and i don't have any idea to do it. Thanks for your help Yeah right. I don't have hands-on experience with any MTA other than Postfix, but I never read a good thing about qmail. Thing is, I work for a design company - we have 3 VPSs two using Plesk and another on extend, I noticed that behind the scenes it is Qmail for all of them. How come it is used by these control panels when it is so poor? Just a small whine from me :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:13:58 +0100, Gabriel Dragffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22 Sep 2007, at 05:29, Lotfi kecir wrote: HI, thank's for your post. to give answer to your answer: i rent a dedicated server (Fedora 6) witch has qmail installed on. and in my old Server witch is in our office turn has Postfix. The new sever has as Admin panel Plesk. I already create all email acounts and now i'm looking to transfert all my user acount mailboxes. and i don't have any idea to do it. Thanks for your help Yeah right. I don't have hands-on experience with any MTA other than Postfix, but I never read a good thing about qmail. Thing is, I work for a design company - we have 3 VPSs two using Plesk and another on extend, I noticed that behind the scenes it is Qmail for all of them. How come it is used by these control panels when it is so poor? Just a small whine from me :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If something is widely used, it doesnt mean its good. I think qmail is easier to configure with virtual users, and i guess someone set the trend to use qmail on a CP. There are some howto's available on the internet if you want to run postfix /w plesk Read this for more info about Qmail and bugs. http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 12:05 +0200, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Hello, 2007/9/22, Byung-Hee HWANG [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 11:47 +0200, Johan Andersson wrote: On 09/22/2007 11:30 AM, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 02:47 +0200, Lotfi kecir wrote: hello. i'm newbbie in Unix especially in in FreeBSD. Recently i have setup one mail server with postfix-dovecot and i would like to migrate it to Qmail server. but i didn't know how to do it. Someone can give help me? Thanks. Qmail sucks for IPv6. Qmail sucks for RFC 2821, as well. Actually Postfix is better than qmail. Byung-Hee The best MTA is? exim? Yes, the best MTA is Exim because it has not a weakness. Moreover, Exim is deployed by many FOSS communities. I think Postfix is the 2nd-best MTA, not qmail. This discussion is rather pointless given that the OP is not asking for opinion. He has to live with qmail set up by his provider. I think he simply wants to know how to move accounts. I cannot help, however, as I have no experience with qmail. Okay, then I will shut up and hold my breath. It might be too long to hold it, though. ;-) At one time, I used for the qmail MTA with FreeBSD. And I know the way to move from Postfix to qmail. But still I do not want to say qmail is better MTA than any other MTA!. Yes, it is just my stupid opinion. Sorry for noise.. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
Hello, 2007/9/22, Byung-Hee HWANG [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 12:05 +0200, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Hello, 2007/9/22, Byung-Hee HWANG [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 11:47 +0200, Johan Andersson wrote: On 09/22/2007 11:30 AM, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 02:47 +0200, Lotfi kecir wrote: hello. i'm newbbie in Unix especially in in FreeBSD. Recently i have setup one mail server with postfix-dovecot and i would like to migrate it to Qmail server. but i didn't know how to do it. Someone can give help me? Thanks. Qmail sucks for IPv6. Qmail sucks for RFC 2821, as well. Actually Postfix is better than qmail. Byung-Hee The best MTA is? exim? Yes, the best MTA is Exim because it has not a weakness. Moreover, Exim is deployed by many FOSS communities. I think Postfix is the 2nd-best MTA, not qmail. This discussion is rather pointless given that the OP is not asking for opinion. He has to live with qmail set up by his provider. I think he simply wants to know how to move accounts. I cannot help, however, as I have no experience with qmail. Okay, then I will shut up and hold my breath. It might be too long to hold it, though. ;-) BTW - I fully agree with the comments. Myself have been using exim. At some point (to learn more) I also want to try postfix. I would never want to touch qmail. At one time, I used for the qmail MTA with FreeBSD. And I know the way to move from Postfix to qmail. But still I do not want to say qmail is better MTA than any other MTA!. Yes, it is just my stupid opinion. The thing is he is not asking for opinion but for help. I guess this is his ISP responsibility to patch qmail and make it secure for him. Sorry for the noise too as I cannot help here. ZS ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:47:09 +0200 Lotfi kecir wrote: hello. i'm newbbie in Unix especially in in FreeBSD. Recently i have setup one mail server with postfix-dovecot and i would like to migrate it to Qmail server. but i didn't know how to do it. Someone can give help me? Why in heaven's name would *anyone* want to do that? I have been using Postfix for years now and before that I used qmail - when it was new. qmail sucked *bigtime*! It was slow, picky about the filesystem it worked on (ReiserFS cause very interresting results), a license that doesn't deserve the name and one mistake in the configuration didn't cause an error message but instead sent incoming mail directly to the happy bit grounds. qmail has not really been maintained by the Author over the last few years and although it is distributed in source, changes to it are not allowed, if you plan to distribute the result. This means that in order for qmail to still work today, there is an insane amount of patches out there that have to be applied. IMHO using qmail instead of Postfix is a gigantic step right back into the stone age. Say hello to the dinos for me! :-) Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
My experience with Qmail is totally the opposite. It's a great MTA as you can set it up and then forget about it for the next 100 years. Setup isn't really a pain anymore with sites like lifewithqmail and qmailrocks. I've been using Qmail for years and am a very happy mail admin; it's rock solid and runs more stable than any program I've yet encountered. Regards, Oz Christian Baer wrote: On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:47:09 +0200 Lotfi kecir wrote: hello. i'm newbbie in Unix especially in in FreeBSD. Recently i have setup one mail server with postfix-dovecot and i would like to migrate it to Qmail server. but i didn't know how to do it. Someone can give help me? Why in heaven's name would *anyone* want to do that? I have been using Postfix for years now and before that I used qmail - when it was new. qmail sucked *bigtime*! It was slow, picky about the filesystem it worked on (ReiserFS cause very interresting results), a license that doesn't deserve the name and one mistake in the configuration didn't cause an error message but instead sent incoming mail directly to the happy bit grounds. qmail has not really been maintained by the Author over the last few years and although it is distributed in source, changes to it are not allowed, if you plan to distribute the result. This means that in order for qmail to still work today, there is an insane amount of patches out there that have to be applied. IMHO using qmail instead of Postfix is a gigantic step right back into the stone age. Say hello to the dinos for me! :-) Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
Lotfi kecir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: HI, thank's for your post. to give answer to your answer: i rent a dedicated server (Fedora 6) witch has qmail installed on. and in my old Server witch is in our office turn has Postfix. The new sever has as Admin panel Plesk. I already create all email acounts and now i'm looking to transfert all my user acount mailboxes. and i don't have any idea to do it. The first thing to consider is what format the existing mailboxes use. Then make sure you have support for that format in your qmail installation. If you don't, then decide whether you can install new format support on your server. If you can't, you have to move the existing mailbox files (from the old server) into whatever format the qmail server does support (post again if you get to this point). Is that enough of a guide to get you started? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 06:29:30 +0200 Lotfi kecir wrote: to give answer to your answer: i rent a dedicated server (Fedora 6) witch has qmail installed on. and in my old Server witch is in our office turn has Postfix. The new sever has as Admin panel Plesk. I already create all email acounts and now i'm looking to transfert all my user acount mailboxes. I hope (for your sake) that the rented server is not only dedicated but also *managed*! If it isn't you will sooner or later have to leave Plesk anyway and do the odd thing or another on foot. It might have been a good idea to look at what's installed on a dediserver before signing the contract. But it isn't my job to lecture you on that. BTW: This isn't a FreeBSD issue. You will probably have more luck finding someone who can help you in one of the newsgroups with this subject. and i don't have any idea to do it. There isn't really a routine to migrate from Postfix to qmail. This is partly because noone usually wants to do it and partly because the whole thing is quite complex. It would IMHO be something for an advanced user or a sysadmin. You could however talk to your ISP where you hired the server. They will usually (for a price) adapt the installation for you - if this isn't a managed server. So you could ask them to change the MTA for you. If you have enough experience, you can also do it yourself. Just remember that you *will* have downtime because of this. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:47:06 +0200 Johan Andersson wrote: The best MTA is? exim? Not that this is really a subject for this list, I don't really agree. We did some studies on several MTAs a while back and found out (quite by accident) that Exim has some real performance issues. I personally don't really like the monolithic form of Exim and Sendmail, but Exim seems to be pretty secure just the same. However, it was impossible for *any* other MTA to get even close to the performance that Postfix offered on the same basis (OS and Hardware). Every MTA has a weakness, just because a strength is often exclusive and cannot be combined with a different strength. I have been happy with Postfix for years now. And IMHO, all ratings about what is better are just about as useless as OS-wars. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:13:58 +0100 Gabriel Dragffy wrote: Yeah right. I don't have hands-on experience with any MTA other than Postfix, but I never read a good thing about qmail. Thing is, I work for a design company - we have 3 VPSs two using Plesk and another on extend, I noticed that behind the scenes it is Qmail for all of them. How come it is used by these control panels when it is so poor? Just a small whine from me :) That question is pretty easy to answer: The qmail-configuration can be read an evaluated *without* a parcer. This makes it easy to read and write the configuration and it also reduces the risk of errors. If you created a configuration tool for an MTA you'd be looking for something that will interact well with you tool and probably you wouldn't look to carefully how well that program does its job as an MTA. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
Am Samstag 22 September 2007 15:48:55 schrieb Christian Baer: snip The qmail-configuration can be read an evaluated *without* a parcer. Sorry, but that's BS (IMHO). Any program interpreting some form of input is called a parser, and the only distinction is the algorithm you need, i.e. whether you need a full-blown stack-machine to interpret the input (think of recursive declarations), or not. The Postfix configuration (/usr/local/etc/postfix/main.cf) simply consists of directives of the form: varname = value where the value can have continuations by indenting the following line with whitespace, but that's about the only thing that's different to the INI-format (besides not having the concept of sections in a Postfix config file). Thus, the Postfix configuration should easily be parseable by about 20-30 lines of C code (with error checking), if you're not willing to use (f)lex to implement the simplistic parser for you. The only thing that makes life a little harder is the ability to reference other items in main.cf by using $itemname (which are basically pure string replacements); these have to be implemented in a semantic phase anyway, which doesn't have anything to do with the parser itself. Last, but not least, Postfix implements most of the actual logic of delivery (including virtual delivery) in so-called maps, which come as KEY whitespace+ VALUE newline files. I wouldn't know how much easier parsing could get for any form of control panel (if it doesn't use Postfix's ability to store a map in a RDBMS anyway). -- Heiko Wundram Product Application Development ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On 2007-09-22 02:47, Lotfi kecir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello. i'm newbbie in Unix especially in in FreeBSD. Recently i have setup one mail server with postfix-dovecot and i would like to migrate it to Qmail server. but i didn't know how to do it. Someone can give help me? Thanks. Why would you want to do such a silly thing? Postfix is an *excellent* mail server software package :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
migrate from postfix to qmail
hello. i'm newbbie in Unix especially in in FreeBSD. Recently i have setup one mail server with postfix-dovecot and i would like to migrate it to Qmail server. but i didn't know how to do it. Someone can give help me? Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
Lotfi kecir wrote: hello. i'm newbbie in Unix especially in in FreeBSD. Recently i have setup one mail server with postfix-dovecot and i would like to migrate it to Qmail server. but i didn't know how to do it. Someone can give help me? Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] why would you want to do that? qmail is a massive step backwards and requires a stupid amount of patches to do things properly. Read this for more: http://home.pages.de/~mandree/qmail-bugs.html its just not worth it imo. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
Hi, I would agree with the below. I've got a fair amount of experience and i tried on a test box to get qmail working, i did, but it was weird, it didn't conform to FreeBSD's filesystem layout, files were in unusual places, daemons started up nonstandard, and it felt like an email server from the twilight zone, it gave me a really weird feeling and i realized that i wasn't going to be running it in production period. I would recommend postfix. Hth Dave. ___ why would you want to do that? qmail is a massive step backwards and requires a stupid amount of patches to do things properly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
HI, thank's for your post. to give answer to your answer: i rent a dedicated server (Fedora 6) witch has qmail installed on. and in my old Server witch is in our office turn has Postfix. The new sever has as Admin panel Plesk. I already create all email acounts and now i'm looking to transfert all my user acount mailboxes. and i don't have any idea to do it. Thanks for your help ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
