Re: recommend console email client?
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 15:30 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: For years I am not yet satisfied with ANY console email client, though I have tried quite a few. My requirement is actually very simple: a email client must be able to: 1. do the automatic charset conversion, so if I got an email in GB18030 charset, it display correct on my UTF-8 console; pine does it at least with UTF-8 and ISO yeah, that means most westerners will have no problem :) 2. is able to connect to IMAP server, copy sent emails to INBOX.Sent folder and let me browse IMAP folders; pine does it with folder-collections=myfolders #md/Maildir/.[] in .pinerc making it compatible with imap (dot before foldernames). 3. is able to look up contact information (including telephone number) by LDAP; IMHO no pine can do it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommend console email client?
For years I am not yet satisfied with ANY console email client, though I have tried quite a few. My requirement is actually very simple: a email client must be able to: 1. do the automatic charset conversion, so if I got an email in GB18030 charset, it display correct on my UTF-8 console; pine does it at least with UTF-8 and ISO 2. is able to connect to IMAP server, copy sent emails to INBOX.Sent folder and let me browse IMAP folders; pine does it with folder-collections=myfolders #md/Maildir/.[] in .pinerc making it compatible with imap (dot before foldernames). 3. is able to look up contact information (including telephone number) by LDAP; IMHO no ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommend console email client?
On 2007-03-19 09:19, Zhang Weiwu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-03-18 at 22:29 +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: Bearing in mind that you have relatively strict requirements (but, nevertheless, quite reasonable) for multibyte support, it may be worth considering one of the email clients bundled with or supported by GNU Emacs. Thanks very much for your detailed explanation; thanks a lot for your time writing this. Given that my requirement is both reasonable and high level, I believe that shows Asian people generally participated this area of development relatively lesser than western people. Again purely free software looks a little bit better than their non-free alternative (mutt perform better on Chinese text than pine, though still has fault). I'll try your suggestions later. Thanks a lot! You're welcome. I am currently using mutt for my mailer again, but if you need help with setting up Gnus as a mail-user-agent, feel free to ask me for my old Gnus setup. Almost all of the relevant options are in the commit history of my ~/.gnus file. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
recommend console email client?
Dear list For years I am not yet satisfied with ANY console email client, though I have tried quite a few. My requirement is actually very simple: a email client must be able to: 1. do the automatic charset conversion, so if I got an email in GB18030 charset, it display correct on my UTF-8 console; 2. is able to connect to IMAP server, copy sent emails to INBOX.Sent folder and let me browse IMAP folders; 3. is able to look up contact information (including telephone number) by LDAP; mutt = charset conversion is not 100% correct (e.g. cannot display double-width ideograph correctly when it's on the edge); poor ldap support and me not knowing how to keep sent message in INBOX/Sent pine = no charset conversion at all and Washington University don't seems wish to add this feature; alpine = said to support charset conversion but cannot find any link for downloading it. Maybe there are good applications that I didn't try yet? Thanks a lot in advance! Best Regards Zhang Weiwu ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommend console email client?
On Mar 18, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Zhang Weiwu wrote: alpine = said to support charset conversion but cannot find any link for downloading it. The link for downloading alpine is deliberately not made public. That is because alpine is considered alpha and UW seems to want everyone who is testing it to be a member of the alpine alpha testers mailing list. You can join the list at http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-alpha and you'll get the location of the latest alpine source, with many reminders that it is alpha. Alpine has the same look and feel of pine. -j ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommend console email client?
Jeffrey Goldberg 写道: On Mar 18, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Zhang Weiwu wrote: alpine = said to support charset conversion but cannot find any link for downloading it. The link for downloading alpine is deliberately not made public. That is because alpine is considered alpha and UW seems to want everyone who is testing it to be a member of the alpine alpha testers mailing list. You can join the list at http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-alpha and you'll get the location of the latest alpine source, with many reminders that it is alpha. Alpine has the same look and feel of pine. -j Al, okay, I'll join that list and hope alpine is as many other opensource software that is pretty mature on its 0.8 version. But, I'd think Washington University better take an approach like release early, release often. That might help. Off topic though. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommend console email client?
On 2007-03-18 22:21, Zhang Weiwu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list For years I am not yet satisfied with ANY console email client, though I have tried quite a few. My requirement is actually very simple: a email client must be able to: 1. do the automatic charset conversion, so if I got an email in GB18030 charset, it display correct on my UTF-8 console; 2. is able to connect to IMAP server, copy sent emails to INBOX.Sent folder and let me browse IMAP folders; 3. is able to look up contact information (including telephone number) by LDAP; mutt = charset conversion is not 100% correct (e.g. cannot display double-width ideograph correctly when it's on the edge); poor ldap support and me not knowing how to keep sent message in INBOX/Sent pine = no charset conversion at all and Washington University don't seems wish to add this feature; alpine = said to support charset conversion but cannot find any link for downloading it. Maybe there are good applications that I didn't try yet? Bearing in mind that you have relatively strict requirements (but, nevertheless, quite reasonable) for multibyte support, it may be worth considering one of the email clients bundled with or supported by GNU Emacs. I have used the Gnus news and email reader with varying levels of success to read and post multibyte, UTF-8 and internationalized messages. My impression from using Gnus to read and post multibyte text was that it works quite fine for my own needs. Running Emacs in an X11 desktop, with proper UTF-8 enabled fonts, will take care automatically of the display issues you may be having. The display support of Emacs is, to the best of my knowledge, simply *excellent* for UTF-8 text. Connecting to an IMAP server can be done for Emacs-based mailers in a number of ways: a) Through Gnus itself. Gnus supports various access modes for reaching out and pulling your email messages. IMAP is just one of them. b) Using fetchmail. You can pull email messages with fetchmail, store them in local mailboxes and point Gnus to the local folders. This is my preferred method, because I'm not always connected online. I even use the off-line mode of Gnus for NNTP reading posting. I am not sure how well Gnus and Emacs can support your third requirement, about database lookup through LDAP. There are various plug-ins for database lookups with Emacs and Gnus, but I haven't used them. The Emacs Wiki[1] may help you here. The friendly folks at the #emacs IRC channel on FreeNode are a good bunch of people to ask too. [1] http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommend console email client?
On 2007-03-18 22:29, Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-03-18 22:21, Zhang Weiwu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For years I am not yet satisfied with ANY console email client, [...] [...] Running Emacs in an X11 desktop, with proper UTF-8 enabled fonts, will take care automatically of the display issues you may be having. The display support of Emacs is, to the best of my knowledge, simply *excellent* for UTF-8 text. Minor correction above, because you explicitly mentioned 'console mode'. By 'in an X11 desktop', I meant in an xterm window with UTF-8 fonts and in UTF-8 mode, of course [...] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommend console email client?
Zhang Weiwu wrote: Jeffrey Goldberg 写道: On Mar 18, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Zhang Weiwu wrote: alpine = said to support charset conversion but cannot find any link for downloading it. The link for downloading alpine is deliberately not made public. That is because alpine is considered alpha and UW seems to want everyone who is testing it to be a member of the alpine alpha testers mailing list. You can join the list at http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-alpha and you'll get the location of the latest alpine source, with many reminders that it is alpha. Alpine has the same look and feel of pine. -j Al, okay, I'll join that list and hope alpine is as many other opensource software that is pretty mature on its 0.8 version. But, I'd think Washington University better take an approach like release early, release often. That might help. Off topic though. Two things, alpine is probably being released under a different semi-proprietary license that all UW software gets released under, including pine, so it's definitely not BSD licensed or (L)GPL licensed by any means. The UW also plays it safe like many institutions and groups that release software -- they only release things once they're ready for production because they want to work out all the bugs and don't want to negatively affect any groups -- within the UW or outside it. By the way it's not Washington University, it's University of Washington; Washington (State) University is one of our rivals -- the Cougars :). Not a biggie, just wanted to clarify a bit. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommend console email client?
On Mar 18, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: Zhang Weiwu wrote: Al, okay, I'll join that list and hope alpine is as many other opensource software that is pretty mature on its 0.8 version. But, I'd think Washington University better take an approach like release early, release often. That might help. Off topic though. Two things, alpine is probably being released under a different semi-proprietary license that all UW software gets released under, including pine, so it's definitely not BSD licensed or (L)GPL licensed by any means. At the moment it is released under a very restrictive license to alpha testers, which I why I can't simply post a link to a copy of it. But when it is officially released it will be released under the Apache 2.0 license, which will be an improvement over the existing pine license. Note also that UW's imap libraries are released under a very non- restrictive license. So really it's just Pine that's been under their peculiar license. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommend console email client?
On Sun, 2007-03-18 at 22:29 +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: Bearing in mind that you have relatively strict requirements (but, nevertheless, quite reasonable) for multibyte support, it may be worth considering one of the email clients bundled with or supported by GNU Emacs. Thanks very much for your detailed explanation; thanks a lot for your time writing this. Given that my requirement is both reasonable and high level, I believe that shows Asian people generally participated this area of development relatively lesser than western people. Again purely free software looks a little bit better than their non-free alternative (mutt perform better on Chinese text than pine, though still has fault). I'll try your suggestions later. Thanks a lot! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
