BSDstats Project: Our ultimate goal ...

2006-08-07 Thread Marc G. Fournier


First off, thanks to *everyone* on this list ... those that have provided 
suggestions on both what should be included, as well as some of the coding 
that has been used (my shell scripting isn't as strong as my perl / php 
*sigh*) ... but, without people actually willing to *run* the script and 
report the information in, there would be no project ...


Although the site itself is *very* rough looking (my 4 year old daughter 
is more creative then I), I *just* put in place my personal goal for all 
of this ... what drivers are in use, and what vendors/chipsets ...


Check out:

http://bsdstats.hub.org/drivers.php

The header line is a bit mis-leading, as it says 'Systems' ... its not 
Systems, but # of times that driver has been used across all the systems 
... for instance, from one of my systems:


# select * from devices where id = 1;
 id | driver  | vendor | device |report_month
+-+++
  1 | agp0| 8086   | 2570   | 2006-08-07 03:28:22.607144
  1 | pcib1   | 8086   | 2571   | 2006-08-07 03:28:23.128248
  1 | pcib2   | 8086   | 244e   | 2006-08-07 03:28:23.554153
  1 | isab0   | 8086   | 24d0   | 2006-08-07 03:28:23.966463
  1 | atapci0 | 8086   | 24db   | 2006-08-07 03:28:24.687109
  1 | atapci1 | 8086   | 24d1   | 2006-08-07 03:28:25.096418
  1 | pcm0| 8086   | 24d5   | 2006-08-07 03:28:25.563785
  1 | nvidia0 | 10de   | 0322   | 2006-08-07 03:28:26.21311
  1 | fxp0| 8086   | 1229   | 2006-08-07 03:28:26.722562
(9 rows)

the pcib driver is used twice, as is the atapci driver ... again, wording 
could be improved ... so the count is # of devices using that driver ...


The information used to generate drivers.php is the same as used by 
pciconf -v, namely from:


http://members.datafast.net.au/dft0802/downloads/pcidevs.txt

Does anyone know how often that list get updated, by chance?


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bsd stats list

2006-08-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Where can I see this link to the stats list?

I have a bunch of FreeBSD boxes to add to it.

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Re: BSDstats Project v2.0 ...

2006-08-07 Thread David Schulz
Ok i love the Idea of this, and will have all my machines running  
that in no time. Just make the Site look more sleek :)
I will be hopefully the first one representing China on that list as  
well (brag :-)


On Aug 8, 2006, at 4:42 AM, Pat Maddox wrote:


On 8/6/06, Marc G. Fournier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I've now committed v2.0 of the 300.statistics periodic script ...  
this one

adds the device reporting that we'd talked about previously, and the
summary reports now reflect the driver(s) in use for those  
deciding to

report ...

This Phase of the script is optional, and not enabled by  
default ... I
can't think of any reason why you wouldn't want to report it, but  
just in

case someone feels it poses a problem, its an opt-in report ...

pkg-message updated to reflect the extra line you need to add to
/etc/periodic.conf:

 monthly_statistics_report_devices=yes

I've written it to report driver + chip= information from pciconf -l,
since even pciconf -lv doesn't seem to use card= ... the summary  
report

will be extended next to show both vendor and chip statistics ...

Let me know of any problems ...


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For those of us who can't read minds, what's the port to install, and
the website where we can view the stats? :)
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Re: bsd stats list

2006-08-07 Thread Marc G. Fournier

On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Where can I see this link to the stats list?

I have a bunch of FreeBSD boxes to add to it.


the stats script itself is /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats

the results can be found at http://bsdstats.hub.org


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Re: Cheap terminals for FreeBSD

2006-08-07 Thread Girish Venkatachalam


--- Nagy L�szl� Zsolt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Hello,
> 
> I need to setup an environment where some users (10
> to 20 employees) 
> will use terminals to run programs. They need to run
> a few popular 
> programs: thunderbird, firefox, adobe acrobat,
> openoffice and gaim. This 
> site will be a customer service. We decided to
> reduce the costs by using 
> Open Source software and cheap terminal computers.
> This is a good 
> solution because most of the users will read
> messages and images on the 
> screen and they can share the same processor and
> memory. I know that I 
> can setup a computer and use its X server as a
> terminal for another 
> computer. This solution still requires new (or used)
> computers. I would 
> like to reduce the costs to the minimum. Here are
> some key questions 
> that I could not answer:
> 
> - Is there a more cost-effective solution?
> (Something that I did not 
> think of)
> - How much RAM will I need? Will FireFox Thunderbird
> and OpenOffice load 
> shared objects and reduce the overall memory usage?
> Or should I reserve 
> 256MB of memory for each client?
> - Do I need to use gigabit ethernet? Or is it enough
> to use a normal 100 
> Mbps wired network? I heard that there can be
> bandwidth problems when 
> using many terminals, but I do not have experience.
> - Are there any pitfalls that I need to be aware of?
> 
> It would be perfect to provide links to some
> articles or manuals - I do 
> not need anyone to write detailed instuctions and do
> my job. I'm asking 
> for help because the handbook was not very useful in
> this case. I only 
> found this:
> 
>
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/term.html#TERM-X
> 
> It does not help too much, and there is no know-how.
> I need to know what 
> hardware I need to buy.
Did u look at this?
http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/multiuser/

I am sure you can do something similar for FreeBSD
too.

regards,
Girish
> 
> Thank you
> 
>   Laszlo
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Re: BSDstats Project v2.0 ...

2006-08-07 Thread Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET
> 
> To enable the port, edit or create /etc/periodic.conf and add this line:
> monthly_statistics_enable=yes
> 
Shouldn't it be /etc/periodic.conf.local since its not part
of the base? Thats where I've put other things that install periodics
that aren't part of the base.

Tuc/TBOH
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problems with module under 6.1

2006-08-07 Thread David Banning
I am attempting to install the module svr4 under FreeBSD version 6.1

I initially tried to run my SVR4 binary by compiling svr4 right into the
kernel. The kernel compiles, but the svr4 binary will not run. 

Attempting to run my svr4 binary gives the error;

1250 Abort trap: 6

I know my svr4 binary runs under FreeBSD 4.9, so I figure "fine, I can 
load the module.  Presently, under my 4.9 system, modules are;

Id Refs AddressSize Name
 16 0xc010 402368   kernel
 22 0xc0dc3000 a000 ibcs2.ko
 31 0xc0dd 3000 ibcs2_coff.ko
 41 0xc0dd6000 15000linux.ko
 51 0xc0df4000 3000 streams.ko
 61 0xc0df7000 15000svr4.ko

Back to my problem 6.1 system;

I looked in /boot/kernel but the svr4.ko file doesn't exist.
So I went into /sys/modules/svr4 and attempt to compile it.
I get errors that the files opt_sysvipc.h and opt_ktrace.h were missing.

A locate command found that those files were available elsewhere in the
system, so now I try copying those files to /sys/modules/svr4.
Following another compile, now svr4.ko is created, but it will not load;

192# kldload svr4
kldload: can't load svr4: File exists

Of course it won't - it's compiled into the system. So I take the module
-out- of configuration file,  and I recompile the kernel.

Again I have to compile the svr4 separately. When I try to load it now 
after reboot, I get;

# cd /boot/kernel
# kldload svr4
kldload: can't load svr4: No such file or directory

OK - so I try and add the extension;

# kldload svr4.ko
kldload: can't load svr4.ko: No such file or directory

Yet the file exists;

# ls -tld /boot/kernel/svr4.ko
-r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  79856 Aug  7 20:33 /boot/kernel/svr4.ko
#

I checked /sys/modules/svr4/README and checked that streams in compiled into
the kernel, which it is.

Now I am at a loss as to where to go from here. My next step is to 
cvsup the system and rebuild and reinstall world.
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Re: BSDstats Project v2.0 ...

2006-08-07 Thread andrew clarke
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 04:14:50PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

> right now, we are at ~200 hosts checking in, from various time zones (see
> http://bsdstats.hub.org/bsd_statistics.php for countries that have checked
> in so far) ... so, even at month end, taking into consideration time zones,
> I don't expect a major hit ... now, if we get to 10's of thousands of hosts,
> which I'd *love*, then I may worry, but by then, I'll have a Dual-Core
> Dual CPU server in place that I can move the whole thing over onto ...

This is good, but what is stopping someone with an axe to grind from
writing a rogue script to report fictional results?
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Re: BSDstats Project v2.0 ...

2006-08-07 Thread Marc G. Fournier

On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, andrew clarke wrote:


On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 04:14:50PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:


right now, we are at ~200 hosts checking in, from various time zones (see
http://bsdstats.hub.org/bsd_statistics.php for countries that have checked
in so far) ... so, even at month end, taking into consideration time zones,
I don't expect a major hit ... now, if we get to 10's of thousands of hosts,
which I'd *love*, then I may worry, but by then, I'll have a Dual-Core
Dual CPU server in place that I can move the whole thing over onto ...


This is good, but what is stopping someone with an axe to grind from
writing a rogue script to report fictional results?


Unfortunately, nothing ... and, also unfortunately, after extensive 
discussions on this list with others about possible ways to avoid it, 
there really isn't anything short of a 'required registration procedure' 
that can be done for that ...


that said, someone from Germany tried that this morning, submitting 41 
'hosts' that were quite obviously bogus (FreeBSD 8.x anyone?) and were 
easily removed from the system ...



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Re: Wine and FreeBSD how to

2006-08-07 Thread Micah

Gautham Ganapathy wrote:

On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 06:28 -0700, Joshua Lewis wrote:

   I installed wine on my 6.1 system but I don't see a config file
   anywhere on the system. Has anyone installed and used Wine
   successfully that could point me towards an easy FreeBSD how to? Or
   something similar. I told my 7 year old I would load a game for him
   and wanted to look for an easy how too.
   Sincerely,
   Joshua Lewis



Run 'wine' once from the shell for it to generate the .wine directory
under $HOME. Then, try using 'winecfg' for configuration

However, so far I have not been able to get anything more complex than
notepad running under wine on freebsd-6.1-release

Regards
Gautham


There's a nice technical discussion of WINE vs FreeBSD over on hackers@ 
(http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2006-July/017323.html) 
that talks about why wine doesn't work. Supposedly if you set up wine to 
emulate Win2K it'll work better, but not perfectly (like WINE ever 
worked perfectly :) and there are patches in the pipeline that'll help 
with some other problems.


HTH,
Micah
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Re: BSDstats Project v2.0 ...

2006-08-07 Thread Marc G. Fournier

On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote:



To enable the port, edit or create /etc/periodic.conf and add this line:
monthly_statistics_enable=yes


Shouldn't it be /etc/periodic.conf.local since its not part
of the base? Thats where I've put other things that install periodics
that aren't part of the base.


I've always put it in /etc/periodic.conf, since the 'system one' is 
/etc/defaults/periodic.conf, or so I thought ... same as 
/etc/defaults/rc.conf vs /etc/rc.conf ...



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Re: BSDstats Project v2.0 ...

2006-08-07 Thread Antony Mawer

On 8/08/2006 1:56 PM, David Schulz wrote:
Ok i love the Idea of this, and will have all my machines running that 
in no time. Just make the Site look more sleek :)
I will be hopefully the first one representing China on that list as 
well (brag :-)


I'm working on it -- unfortunately have been very busy the past few days 
but hope to have something ready within the next couple of days. 
Patience... :-)


Cheers
Antony
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