Problems with COmpaq oonboard Symbios SCSI

2001-05-17 Thread Pete French

I'm running FreeBSD on a Compaq Workstation Pro 400. The
Compaq motherboard has an onboard Sybmios SCSI controller (like so
many COmpaqs do) but also came with a SMART-2LS RAID controller
which is what is being used to boot from.

Now this all works fine, except for the fact that if I try to reboot
the machine it requires the power to be physically turned off before
it will boot again. If the machine is warm reset it will not get past
the point in the BIOS where the onboard SCSI controller scans for drives.
It simply freezes at that point and will not go any further.

I first assumed that this was due to something odd the sym driver was
doing when probing the device, so I built a kernel without it in. Same
effect occurs :-(

I;m currently running 4.2-STABLE on the machine (from a few days after
the release) but the effect has existed since 4.2-RELEASE

Anybody else seeing this ?

-pcf.

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RE: Lucent IRQ mode problem

2001-05-17 Thread John Andersson

Sorry, forgot to inform about OS version:
FreeBSD xxx.com 4.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE #11


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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Andersson
 Sent: den 17 maj 2001 11:41
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Lucent IRQ mode problem
 
 Hi!
 
 I have a problem with the Lucent WaveLAN pccard inserted in a
 PCI pccard
 adapter (See log below for more specific information). I get the
 following error:
 
 pcic0: VLSI 82C146 at port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd irq 10 on isa0
 pcic0: management irq 10
 ... snip 
 pccardd[87]: Card Lucent Technologies(WaveLAN/IEEE) [Version
 01.01]
 [] matched Lucent Technologies (WaveLAN/IEEE) [(null)]
 [(null)]
 wi0: WaveLAN/IEEE 802.11 at port 0x240-0x27f irq 5 slot 0 on
 pccard0
 ... snip 
 pccardd[87]: wi0: Lucent Technologies (WaveLAN/IEEE) inserted.
 pccard:wi0: WaveLAN/IEEE inserted
 /kernel: wi0: tx buffer allocation failed  --- ERROR ---
 /kernel: wi0: xmit failed
 pccardd[87]: pccardd started
 /kernel: wi0: device timeout
 /kernel: wi0: tx buffer allocation failed
 
 
 I have looked around on the net and found others with similar
 problems,
 most of the time does it seems to be some kind of IRQ conflict.
 I have
 tried lots of different IRQ on my computer, change the BIOS
 config to
 set the IRQ for the adapter and Lucent card to Legacy ISA
 (instead of
 PCI) and made sure that no other card have the same IRQ. Nothing
 seems
 to fix the problem.
 
 I have heard from someone else that had similar problem for
 Linux and
 they could fix it by changing irqmode to 0... Possibly has
 this
 something to do with different IRQ modes for PCI, ISA, and
 pccards. I
 have not found any similar option in FreeBSD, does it exists
 such an
 option somewhere or does it exists some other solution?
 
 TIA,
 John
 
 
 
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Administrative tag a possibility?

2001-05-17 Thread Stewart Morgan


 
 Mike Smith wrote:
  
   ...
   Say introducing a convention like '$!$' to denote an always to be
   acceptable change?
  
  No, not acceptable.
  
  In this case, mergemaster should be smart enough to notice that the
  file in question was unchanged before the merge, and just 
 not irritate
  you in the first place.
 
 You've just won my vote! Nonetheless I think a simple pattern
 match like $!$ could've been implemented long ago - thus 
 saving me uncounted q+i keypresses, whereas introducing 
 smartness into a program might take a tad longer.
 

Wasn't there a discussion on something like this ages ago?
I seem to recall somebody suggesting MD5 checksums to see if a file
has changed or not and acting acordingly.

If you're worried about maintaining a database of checksums,
why not place it in the file itself.  Of course somebody'll mention
recursion: if you grep -v CHECKSUM | md5 and compare with grep CHECKSUM,
you've got something that works and is easy to maintain.

Just my 2p worth :)


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Re: Administrative tag a possibility?

2001-05-17 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith

Stewart Morgan wrote:
 
 Wasn't there a discussion on something like this ages ago?
 I seem to recall somebody suggesting MD5 checksums to see if a file
 has changed or not and acting acordingly.
 
 If you're worried about maintaining a database of checksums,
 why not place it in the file itself.  Of course somebody'll mention
 recursion: if you grep -v CHECKSUM | md5 and compare with grep CHECKSUM,
 you've got something that works and is easy to maintain.
 

That seems a little dangerous - perhaps some of the files will have
md5 appearing in other lines for other reasons, and that would mess
up this simple grep.  Perhaps a more complicated tag in the file would
be more appropriate.

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Re: Problems with COmpaq oonboard Symbios SCSI

2001-05-17 Thread Jim King

Pete French [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm running FreeBSD on a Compaq Workstation Pro 400. The
 Compaq motherboard has an onboard Sybmios SCSI controller (like so
 many COmpaqs do) but also came with a SMART-2LS RAID controller
 which is what is being used to boot from.

 Now this all works fine, except for the fact that if I try to reboot
 the machine it requires the power to be physically turned off before
 it will boot again. If the machine is warm reset it will not get past
 the point in the BIOS where the onboard SCSI controller scans for drives.
 It simply freezes at that point and will not go any further.

 I first assumed that this was due to something odd the sym driver was
 doing when probing the device, so I built a kernel without it in. Same
 effect occurs :-(

 I;m currently running 4.2-STABLE on the machine (from a few days after
 the release) but the effect has existed since 4.2-RELEASE

 Anybody else seeing this ?

I have a Compaq Workstation AP500 at the office that will not reboot with
Win2000.  Windows shuts down to the point where the screen goes blank, but
*nothing* happens after that.  I chalked it up to something flaky in the
Compaq BIOS.

Jim



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Re: Problems with COmpaq oonboard Symbios SCSI

2001-05-17 Thread Pete French

 I have a Compaq Workstation AP500 at the office that will not reboot with
 Win2000.  Windows shuts down to the point where the screen goes blank, but
 *nothing* happens after that.  I chalked it up to something flaky in the
 Compaq BIOS.

I flashed it to the newest BIOS on the RAID controllers and the machine
iteslf. It works fine under Win98, I havent tried Win2000 yet (not after
what it did to one of my other machines)

-pcf.

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pppoe crashes in 4.3-stable (14.5.2000)

2001-05-17 Thread Bernd Fürwitt
Title: pppoe crashes in 4.3-stable (14.5.2000)






user-mode ppp crashes when calling pppoe-providers.
After starting ppp I get the following error message

linker_file_sysinit netgraph.ko failed to register! 17
Fatal Trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode

The kernel panics, and i got no further errors in logfiles.
Netgraph is built directly into the kernel, also the tun-interface.

what's going wrong ?








Re: pppoe crashes in 4.3-stable (14.5.2000)

2001-05-17 Thread Tony
Title: pppoe crashes in 4.3-stable (14.5.2000)



Can you tell me exactly what options you put in 
your kernel?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Bernd Fürwitt 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 12:37 
PM
  Subject: pppoe crashes in 4.3-stable 
  (14.5.2000)
  
  user-mode ppp crashes when calling 
  pppoe-providers.After starting ppp I get the following error 
  messagelinker_file_sysinit "netgraph.ko" failed to register! 
  17Fatal Trap 12: page fault while in kernel modeThe kernel panics, 
  and i got no further errors in logfiles.Netgraph is built directly into 
  the kernel, also the tun-interface.what's going wrong 
  ?


Re: Administrative tag a possibility?

2001-05-17 Thread Jamie Norwood

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:43:27AM -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
 
 That seems a little dangerous - perhaps some of the files will have
 md5 appearing in other lines for other reasons, and that would mess
 up this simple grep.  Perhaps a more complicated tag in the file would
 be more appropriate.

Not to mention that, AFAIK, once you add the checksum to the file, the 
checksum would be different because the file is no longer the same, ne?
I am not aware of a way to include a checksum in the file being checked.

Jamie

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Re: Administrative tag a possibility?

2001-05-17 Thread Stijn Hoop

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 09:31:27AM -0400, Jamie Norwood wrote:
 On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:43:27AM -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
  
  That seems a little dangerous - perhaps some of the files will have
  md5 appearing in other lines for other reasons, and that would mess

Read 'CHECKSUM' instead of 'md5' and your statement is correct.

  up this simple grep.  Perhaps a more complicated tag in the file would
  be more appropriate.
 
 Not to mention that, AFAIK, once you add the checksum to the file, the 
 checksum would be different because the file is no longer the same, ne?
 I am not aware of a way to include a checksum in the file being checked.

Ehm, the original poster did the grep -v thing to avoid this, and I'm
reasonably sure he also envisioned using a better tag than 'CHECKSUM' -
it's the principle that's worth implementing.

Anyway, I also haven't got any patches so I'll shut up now.

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Re: Administrative tag a possibility?

2001-05-17 Thread David Taylor

Uh, please don't use BCC to send to the list, it makes replying a tad
impossible.

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Jamie Norwood wrote:

 On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:43:27AM -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
  
  That seems a little dangerous - perhaps some of the files will have
  md5 appearing in other lines for other reasons, and that would mess
  up this simple grep.  Perhaps a more complicated tag in the file would
  be more appropriate.
 
 Not to mention that, AFAIK, once you add the checksum to the file, the 
 checksum would be different because the file is no longer the same, ne?
 I am not aware of a way to include a checksum in the file being checked.

There was a method in the message you quoted:

-
# Some config file
# $FreeBSD: blah$
# $MD5-Checksum: abcdefg8273912$
# Foo

a=1
b=2
-

# (this is a Perl regexp, but it's possible with grep, somehow, I'm sure.
CHECKSUM=`grep -v \$MD5-Checksum(: [0-9a-fA-F]*)?\$$ | md5`

and it's easy enough to use sed to replace $MD5-Checksum$ lines with
CHECKSUM, and also compare the two...

CVS could even be setup to automagically insert the checksum, as it does
with the $FreeBSD$ lines currently.. (Doing so whilst observing the various
weird -ki flags to disable $$ expansions would be more difficult, however).

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Re: dual fxp ethernet, one doesn't work

2001-05-17 Thread Vivek Khera

 VK == Vivek Khera [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

VK I have three machines with dual fxp NICs on them.  They are all Dell
VK PowerEdge 1550 boxes, running 4.3-STABLE from yesterday (I updated the
VK kernel from today to see if the latest patches to if_fxp.c fixes the
VK problem, but it didn't).

Ok... It seems that three of my machines don't like this particular
hub.  Curiously, they all had a dual fxp built into the motherboard.
A single fxp on motherboard works fine with this hub.  It is a linksys
5 port 10baseT.

I plugged these machines into a new 3com switch and they worked fine
(except for not auto-detecting full-duplex).

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Re: NIS/YP problems after cvsupdate

2001-05-17 Thread Andre Albsmeier

On Wed, 16-May-2001 at 20:24:35 +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote:
 Hello.
 
 Three weeks ago I did the last cvsupdate on our FBSD 4.3 boxes.
 On our master NIS/YP server rpc.ypxfrd is running due the fact
 all of our boxes within this area run FreeBSD 4.3.
 
 Until last weekend an cron driven make in /var/yp worked well.
 It pragated the maps every hour to the slave servers.
 
 Last weekend I did the first cvupdate, yesterday the last one.
 First thing I realized was that fxp now needs miibus code (??).
 
 well, now our master NIS server is stock in sending to the slaves.
 It gets timeouts and messages about pending transaction processes.
 
 what happened? Why is that an up and down with NIS/YP in FreeBSD?
 
 Nothing has been changed within the configuartion since the last month,
 so I'm sure this problem is either triggered by 'obsolete configs', but
 nothing has been changed that way or by changes in networking or NIS/.YP
 related things.
 
 Has anybody realized the same?

Can you send me the ouput of a yppush -vvv some_map_name ?
How many slave servers are you using?

-Andre

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Re: Exim stops working in 4.3-STABLE because of Perl problems?

2001-05-17 Thread Dmitry G . Golub

Dear colleguas,

2001.05.13 00:03 Sheldon Hearn wrote:
 
 It may take me a while to set up a similar environment to try this out.
 Although I'm the mod_perl FreeBSD port maintainer, I haven't noticed any
 problems in the development branch of FreeBSD.  If anyone else comes up
 with something before I do, don't keep quiet. ;-)
 
 Ciao,
 Sheldon.
 

Yesterday I upgraded my 4.3-Stable /usr/src tree (with CTM), 
make buildworld...buildkernel...installkernel...installworld.

I have a line PERL_THREADED= true in my /etc/make.conf.

cd to /usr/ports/mail/exim/; make install. All seems good.
When starting Exim:

exim%  exim -bV

segmentation fault 

There was a message from Juha Saarinen in exim-users
mailing list with priblem description and workaround. As
was recommended by Juha I commented out the string
:
WITH_PERL= yes

in port's Makefile and rebuild Exim. It works now. I don't
need an embedded Perl but it would be good to not have
such a problems in future.

With my best wishes, Dmitry
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Re: Exim stops working in 4.3-STABLE because of Perl problems?

2001-05-17 Thread Juha Saarinen

On Fri, 18 May 2001, Dmitry G . Golub wrote:

 Dear colleguas,

 2001.05.13 00:03 Sheldon Hearn wrote:
 

 Yesterday I upgraded my 4.3-Stable /usr/src tree (with CTM),
 make buildworld...buildkernel...installkernel...installworld.

 I have a line PERL_THREADED= true in my /etc/make.conf.

 cd to /usr/ports/mail/exim/; make install. All seems good.
 When starting Exim:

 exim%  exim -bV

 segmentation fault

 There was a message from Juha Saarinen in exim-users
 mailing list with priblem description and workaround. As
 was recommended by Juha I commented out the string
 :
 WITH_PERL= yes

 in port's Makefile and rebuild Exim. It works now. I don't
 need an embedded Perl but it would be good to not have
 such a problems in future.

Hi Dmitry,

The other workaround (it only just qualifies as that..) is to uncomment
the PERL_THREADED line in /etc/make.conf, and rebuild and reinstall
world.

I had Exim 3.20 working fine, with embedded Perl, in 4.2-RELEASE and
4.2-STABLE, with Perl threads enabled. Something must have changed in
4.3-STABLE, but I don't know what.

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Re: starting ipfw

2001-05-17 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith

John Polstra wrote:
 
 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Randy Bush  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  i am trying ipfw and hitting a start problem.  the machine boots up as if
  it has not been loaded.  but my /etc/rc.conf says
 
  firewall_enable=YES # Set to YES to enable firewall functionality
  firewall_script=/etc/ipfw.rules # Which script to run to set up the firewall
 
   ^^^ should be firewall_type
 

No, firewall_type would be one of simple or open or whatever.
It is read by /etc/rc.firewall assuming that firewall_script=
/etc/rc.firewall.  Otherwise it has no effect.

Probably ity would help to know what is in your (Randy's) 
/etc/ipfw.rules

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Release tag

2001-05-17 Thread Chad R. Larson

This week I upgraded a 4.1-RELEASE machine to 4.3-RELEASE via
source.  I did:
  cvs upgrade -r RELENG_4_3_0_RELEASE /usr/src
  make buildworld
  make kernel
  make installworld
  mergemaster
  reboot

No problems.

Then I upgraded to the new extra stable branch RELENG_4_3 via the
same drill.

But a uname -r still says 4.3-RELEASE.

Would our illustrious cat-fur covered release engineer consider some
slightly different tag to mark the difference between a system
installed from the CDs and one that's tracking the security/bugfix
branch?
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Re: digital camera

2001-05-17 Thread Leland


A cheap film camera and a scanner is still a better deal.

 I'm thinking of finally getting a digital camera.

 Is there one that seems to do better with freebsd?

 What about the software to move the pic(s) to the pc?
 Most of the cams seem to include Windows connectivity kits.
 Since I de-installed Windows a while ago, are there freebsd apps that work
with
 digicams to transfer pics to pc?



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RE: Release tag

2001-05-17 Thread David Andrzejewski

Did you make sure to recompile your kernel after the upgrade?

!Dave

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Database Administrator
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 Subject: Release tag
 
 
 This week I upgraded a 4.1-RELEASE machine to 4.3-RELEASE via
 source.  I did:
   cvs upgrade -r RELENG_4_3_0_RELEASE /usr/src
   make buildworld
   make kernel
   make installworld
   mergemaster
   reboot
 
 No problems.
 
 Then I upgraded to the new extra stable branch RELENG_4_3 via the
 same drill.
 
 But a uname -r still says 4.3-RELEASE.
 
 Would our illustrious cat-fur covered release engineer consider some
 slightly different tag to mark the difference between a system
 installed from the CDs and one that's tracking the security/bugfix
 branch?
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Re: starting ipfw

2001-05-17 Thread Randy Bush

 firewall_enable=YES# Set to YES to enable firewall functionality
 firewall_script=/etc/ipfw.rules # Which script to run to set up the firewall
 $firewall_script is a script which is sourced from rc.network, not a
 configuration file for ipfw. The default is /etc/rc.firewall.
 Since /etc/ipfw.rules is likely not something that can be sourced by
 sh, you are getting errors.

yup.  the following works.

firewall_enable=YES   # Set to YES to enable firewall functionality
firewall_type=/etc/ipfw.rules # Which script to run to set up the firewall
firewall_flags=-q # Flags passed to ipfw when type is a file

randy

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Re: digital camera

2001-05-17 Thread Jordan Hubbard

Though nowhere near as easy to use as Digital cameras.  You still need
to send the film off to be developed and then you'd better have a good
scanner if you want the resulting images to look any good.  I wouldn't
even bother with that approach - whenever we get my girlfriend's
pictures back (she's hopelessly wedded to the analog), we just get it
on PhotoCD as well.

- Jordan

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Subject: Re: digital camera
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:00:47 -0700

 
 A cheap film camera and a scanner is still a better deal.
 
  I'm thinking of finally getting a digital camera.
 
  Is there one that seems to do better with freebsd?
 
  What about the software to move the pic(s) to the pc?
  Most of the cams seem to include Windows connectivity kits.
  Since I de-installed Windows a while ago, are there freebsd apps that work
 with
  digicams to transfer pics to pc?
 
 
 
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Re: NIS/YP problems after cvsupdate

2001-05-17 Thread Andre Albsmeier

On Wed, 16-May-2001 at 21:30:36 +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote:
 On Wed, 16 May 2001, John Polstra wrote:
 
 Hello.
 
 Well, all of our FBSD boxes are equipted with Intel NIC (fxp)
 and 100MBit/full-duplex (the switches are also full duplex types).
 
 All other network facilities work well - only the master server isn't able
 to send out a transfer initiation to its slaves. when doing a
 'ypinit -s MASTER-SERVER' on each client the client polls its maps
 successfully. This seems to be a problem of the ypxfrd daemon running on our master 
...
 
 In the past I have had a similar, versy strange problem due the fact I compiled
 each part of the kernel and of the base sources of the base operating system
 with the option -march=i686 as a compileroption of CFLAGS and COPTFLAGS in
 make.conf. This triggered a very strange behaviour. This time this problem occured
 after a cvsupdate without changes in config matter ... :-(
 (I did make world and mergemaster only ...).

Try this patch (no joke):

--- libexec/rtld-elf/rtld.c.ORI Fri May 18 08:05:01 2001
+++ libexec/rtld-elf/rtld.c Fri May 18 08:03:24 2001
@@ -386,6 +386,8 @@
 
 dbg(initializing key program variables);
 set_program_var(__progname, argv[0] != NULL ? basename(argv[0]) : );
+set_program_var(environ, dummy);
+set_program_var(environ, dummy);
 set_program_var(environ, env);
 
 dbg(initializing thread locks);


Maybe we should really reopen http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=12496

John, what do you think?

-Andre


 
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 :Hartmann, O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 :
 : Last weekend I did the first cvupdate, yesterday the last one.
 : First thing I realized was that fxp now needs miibus code (??).
 :
 : well, now our master NIS server is stock in sending to the slaves.
 : It gets timeouts and messages about pending transaction processes.
 :
 :Peter Wemm just fixed a similar problem on ref4.freebsd.org.  He said
 :the cause of the problem was a full/half duplex mismatch between the
 :NIC and the switch.
 :
 :John
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Re: Old compiler (3.3-stable - 4-stable)

2001-05-17 Thread Erik Trulsson

On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 03:56:55AM +0200, Roelof Osinga wrote:
 Alexey V. Neyman wrote:
  
  ...
  
  Not only that, even 3.5.1-RELEASE fails to compile world for RELENG_4.
  What about staying insecure for a few hours of make world on 4.2-RELEASE,
  if this worries you, you may turn on firewall, either enabling only
  trusted addresses or disabling all services in question, which were found
  to be insecure in 4.2-RELEASE (ftpd, ntpd...).
 
 That is not what I want to hear g. That my planned update route
 won't fly, I mean. As to the insecurity risks... nah, I won't loose
 any sleep over the slight and temporal insecurity. The worse that
 could happen is, well, what? Nothing springs to mind. We're not an
 interesting target to crackers.
 
 Anyway, the box is currently happily runing 3.5.1-STABLE. But you are
 saying that I should not go straight to the RELENG_4 tag. So what tag
 do you suggest? I've only done CVSups within the stable branches. and
 port and security ones naturally. So I don't know any other tags g.
 
 Couldn't find that page that listed the tags in the emanual either.
 I did look! Really.


You should probably go to 4.1-Release or 4.2-Release first. Several
reports indicate that they should work.
The tags for those releases ar RELENG_4_1_0_RELEASE and
RELENG_4_2_0_RELEASE respectively.



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