Re: Laggy X11 after updating to 8.0-RC1
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:55:44PM -0500, Scott Lambert wrote: > I'm seeing something similar to OP, apparent keyboard buffer delays, but > maybe not exactly. When I click from one xterm to another, it may be > 1 - 30 seconds before my key entries show. Firefox seems to have less > delay after clicks into text fields, but sometimes it is noticeable maybe > 0.25 to 1 second. Just two xterms, the fluxbox toolbar, and firefox > running. No frufru stuff. > > I've tried with and without an explicit xorg.conf. Switching > back to the console works better without. With doesn't leave me a > usable display outside of X. > > It seems like the delays get longer and longer the longer the X session > has been up. But sometimes there will be no delay. If I switch > windows/desktops with alt-tab, ctrl-f#, there is no delay. I've been > wondering if it could be due to the synaptics touchpad. I enabled the > synaptics features about the same time to try to get rid of tap events > from the touchpad. I hate touchpads and still haven't figured out how > to kill tapping. I changed /boot/loader.conf from: hw.psm.synaptics_support=1 to hw.psm.synaptics_support=0 and rebooted. All X11 input buffer lag went away for me. Wild. Unfortunately the touchpad is now more prone to palm taps... -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Laggy X11 after updating to 8.0-RC1
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Rohit Grover wrote: I did have 'AllowEmptyInput "off"' in my xorg.conf previously. Aha! I should have stressed that more. The mixed libraries were an unrelated issue. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Laggy X11 after updating to 8.0-RC1
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, Rohit Grover wrote: >> >> I did a 'pkg_delete -a' to delete all packages, and then installed >> fresh packages from the 8.0-RC1 DVD as necessary. I'm back to a useful >> system and X11 isn't lagging anymore. >> >> I hope someone investigates why X11 didn't behave well right after >> updating the kernel/world/some-packages. > > Please confirm the presence or absence of the AllowEmptyInput option in your > xorg.conf. > > I tested yesterday and found that "AllowEmptyInput" "off" with dbus/hal > running produced exactly the behavior you describe. > > A FreeBSD major version upgrade with mixed old a new libraries can certainly > cause problems, but the specific "laggy X11" problem is more likely due to > that option. > I did have 'AllowEmptyInput "off"' in my xorg.conf previously. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Laggy X11 after updating to 8.0-RC1
Rohit Grover wrote: > I did a 'pkg_delete -a' to delete all packages, and then installed > fresh packages from the 8.0-RC1 DVD as necessary. I'm back to a useful > system and X11 isn't lagging anymore. > > I hope someone investigates why X11 didn't behave well right after > updating the kernel/world/some-packages. There is no mystery. Mixtures of new and old binaries and libraries is an unsupported configuration. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Laggy X11 after updating to 8.0-RC1
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, Rohit Grover wrote: I did a 'pkg_delete -a' to delete all packages, and then installed fresh packages from the 8.0-RC1 DVD as necessary. I'm back to a useful system and X11 isn't lagging anymore. I hope someone investigates why X11 didn't behave well right after updating the kernel/world/some-packages. Please confirm the presence or absence of the AllowEmptyInput option in your xorg.conf. I tested yesterday and found that "AllowEmptyInput" "off" with dbus/hal running produced exactly the behavior you describe. A FreeBSD major version upgrade with mixed old a new libraries can certainly cause problems, but the specific "laggy X11" problem is more likely due to that option. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Laggy X11 after updating to 8.0-RC1
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Scott Lambert wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 07:29:46PM -0600, Warren Block wrote: >> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, Rohit Grover wrote: >> > >> >On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Warren Block wrote: >> >>On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, Rohit Grover wrote: >> >> >> >>>I have upgraded to 8.0-RC1 (from 7.2-STABLE) on my MacBook 4,1. I >> >>>did so by checking out stable/8 under /usr/src, rebuilding >> >>>kernel/world, and using portupgrade to update all installed ports >> >>>from packages available on the 8.0RC1 DVD-iso. >> >>> >> >>>Since the update, my X11 is laggy. Now, I often have to move the >> >>>mouse before keystrokes/button presses take effect. >> >> >> >>Make sure hal and dbus are enabled in rc.conf and running. In >> >>xorg.conf, remove Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off". >> >> >> >>A bonus of using hal is that you can remove the keyboard and mouse >> >>sections from xorg.conf. >> >> >> >>>As I've mentioned, I've updated the kernel/world, and updated >> >>>libpciaccess. Perhaps I'm having issues because I need to remove >> >>>old libs. How do I remove old libs? >> >> >> >>cd /usr/src make check-old-libs make delete-old-libs >> > >> > >> >I deleted old libs using 'make delete-old-libs' from /usr/src, >> >but that has led to many other problems. It seems many libraries >> >currently in use were deleted in the process. I'm having to >> >rebuild/reinstall many of my applications to get them working again. > > I'm seeing something similar to OP, apparent keyboard buffer delays, but > maybe not exactly. When I click from one xterm to another, it may be > 1 - 30 seconds before my key entries show. Firefox seems to have less > delay after clicks into text fields, but sometimes it is noticeable maybe > 0.25 to 1 second. Just two xterms, the fluxbox toolbar, and firefox > running. No frufru stuff. > > I haven't had time to systematically try to narrow down the actual > problem. > > Wiggling the mouse, hitting various keys all seemed like they helped > at one time or another, but I think I was just trying things until the > buffer released. If I leave it alone, the delays seem to be of about > the same length as when I'm trying random things to break it loose. > > Only clicking in a window (particularly an xterm) seems to stall the > keyboard buffer. Just wiggling the mouse above or around the focused > window is no problem. Clicks take effect immediately. I can drag > the window by the title bar or resize the window without stalling the > keyboard buffer. > > I haven't lost a key press that I've noticed. Now I just type blind > until it catches up or I actually need to see the results of my typing. > > Oh, it seems like if there is something in the xterm which can use the > mouse input, it may not be stalling the keyboard buffer. I need to > watch that more closely. > > I've tried with and without an explicit xorg.conf. Switching > back to the console works better without. With doesn't leave me a > usable display outside of X. > > It seems like the delays get longer and longer the longer the X session > has been up. But sometimes there will be no delay. If I switch > windows/desktops with alt-tab, ctrl-f#, there is no delay. I've been > wondering if it could be due to the synaptics touchpad. I enabled the > synaptics features about the same time to try to get rid of tap events > from the touchpad. I hate touchpads and still haven't figured out how > to kill tapping. > > agp0: on vgapci0 > > I've done the delete-old stuff and got mad at KDE4 and did a pkg_delete > -a in a fit of rage. I went back with fluxbox, took about 2 to 3 hours > to compile everything from source to have my multiple xterms back. > Firefox took another 2 hours. But I was able to *work* while that > built. > > I was running FreeBSD 8-CURRENT pre-beta cycle. KDE4 was giving me so > many fits that I would just run Windows instead so I could get work > done, sad. I don't know if I would have noticed an input buffer delay > before I upgraded to BETA2 and replaced KDE with fluxbox. I just > couldn't stand to spend that much time in X. Windows finally annoyed me > enough to try something different (fluxbox). This problem has been with > me through the BETAs and now into RC1, as far as I can remember. I've > been busy and trying really hard to ignore workstation issues to get > work done ever since my PowerBook died. > >> When upgrading from one major release of FreeBSD to another, the >> standard recommendation is to delete all installed applications >> (pkg_delete -a) and then reinstall everything. There may be some >> incantation of portupgrade or portmaster that will do it. pkg_libchk >> from sysutils/bsdadminscripts may help. But that is likely to take >> longer than just pkg_delete -a and reinstalling applications. > > portmaster's man page suggests pkg_delete -a. It has explicit > instructions so you don't miss anything putting them back on. Not > that I've used the instructions yet. Rage i
Re: Laggy X11 after updating to 8.0-RC1
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 07:29:46PM -0600, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, Rohit Grover wrote: > > > >On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Warren Block wrote: > >>On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, Rohit Grover wrote: > >> > >>>I have upgraded to 8.0-RC1 (from 7.2-STABLE) on my MacBook 4,1. I > >>>did so by checking out stable/8 under /usr/src, rebuilding > >>>kernel/world, and using portupgrade to update all installed ports > >>>from packages available on the 8.0RC1 DVD-iso. > >>> > >>>Since the update, my X11 is laggy. Now, I often have to move the > >>>mouse before keystrokes/button presses take effect. > >> > >>Make sure hal and dbus are enabled in rc.conf and running. In > >>xorg.conf, remove Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off". > >> > >>A bonus of using hal is that you can remove the keyboard and mouse > >>sections from xorg.conf. > >> > >>>As I've mentioned, I've updated the kernel/world, and updated > >>>libpciaccess. Perhaps I'm having issues because I need to remove > >>>old libs. How do I remove old libs? > >> > >>cd /usr/src make check-old-libs make delete-old-libs > > > > > >I deleted old libs using 'make delete-old-libs' from /usr/src, > >but that has led to many other problems. It seems many libraries > >currently in use were deleted in the process. I'm having to > >rebuild/reinstall many of my applications to get them working again. I'm seeing something similar to OP, apparent keyboard buffer delays, but maybe not exactly. When I click from one xterm to another, it may be 1 - 30 seconds before my key entries show. Firefox seems to have less delay after clicks into text fields, but sometimes it is noticeable maybe 0.25 to 1 second. Just two xterms, the fluxbox toolbar, and firefox running. No frufru stuff. I haven't had time to systematically try to narrow down the actual problem. Wiggling the mouse, hitting various keys all seemed like they helped at one time or another, but I think I was just trying things until the buffer released. If I leave it alone, the delays seem to be of about the same length as when I'm trying random things to break it loose. Only clicking in a window (particularly an xterm) seems to stall the keyboard buffer. Just wiggling the mouse above or around the focused window is no problem. Clicks take effect immediately. I can drag the window by the title bar or resize the window without stalling the keyboard buffer. I haven't lost a key press that I've noticed. Now I just type blind until it catches up or I actually need to see the results of my typing. Oh, it seems like if there is something in the xterm which can use the mouse input, it may not be stalling the keyboard buffer. I need to watch that more closely. I've tried with and without an explicit xorg.conf. Switching back to the console works better without. With doesn't leave me a usable display outside of X. It seems like the delays get longer and longer the longer the X session has been up. But sometimes there will be no delay. If I switch windows/desktops with alt-tab, ctrl-f#, there is no delay. I've been wondering if it could be due to the synaptics touchpad. I enabled the synaptics features about the same time to try to get rid of tap events from the touchpad. I hate touchpads and still haven't figured out how to kill tapping. agp0: on vgapci0 I've done the delete-old stuff and got mad at KDE4 and did a pkg_delete -a in a fit of rage. I went back with fluxbox, took about 2 to 3 hours to compile everything from source to have my multiple xterms back. Firefox took another 2 hours. But I was able to *work* while that built. I was running FreeBSD 8-CURRENT pre-beta cycle. KDE4 was giving me so many fits that I would just run Windows instead so I could get work done, sad. I don't know if I would have noticed an input buffer delay before I upgraded to BETA2 and replaced KDE with fluxbox. I just couldn't stand to spend that much time in X. Windows finally annoyed me enough to try something different (fluxbox). This problem has been with me through the BETAs and now into RC1, as far as I can remember. I've been busy and trying really hard to ignore workstation issues to get work done ever since my PowerBook died. > When upgrading from one major release of FreeBSD to another, the > standard recommendation is to delete all installed applications > (pkg_delete -a) and then reinstall everything. There may be some > incantation of portupgrade or portmaster that will do it. pkg_libchk > from sysutils/bsdadminscripts may help. But that is likely to take > longer than just pkg_delete -a and reinstalling applications. portmaster's man page suggests pkg_delete -a. It has explicit instructions so you don't miss anything putting them back on. Not that I've used the instructions yet. Rage is not condusive to reading manuals. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org ___ freebsd-
Re: Laggy X11 after updating to 8.0-RC1
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, Rohit Grover wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Warren Block wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, Rohit Grover wrote: I have upgraded to 8.0-RC1 (from 7.2-STABLE) on my MacBook 4,1. I did so by checking out stable/8 under /usr/src, rebuilding kernel/world, and using portupgrade to update all installed ports from packages available on the 8.0RC1 DVD-iso. Since the update, my X11 is laggy. Now, I often have to move the mouse before keystrokes/button presses take effect. Make sure hal and dbus are enabled in rc.conf and running. In xorg.conf, remove Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off". A bonus of using hal is that you can remove the keyboard and mouse sections from xorg.conf. As I've mentioned, I've updated the kernel/world, and updated libpciaccess. Perhaps I'm having issues because I need to remove old libs. How do I remove old libs? cd /usr/src make check-old-libs make delete-old-libs I deleted old libs using 'make delete-old-libs' from /usr/src, but that has led to many other problems. It seems many libraries currently in use were deleted in the process. I'm having to rebuild/reinstall many of my applications to get them working again. When upgrading from one major release of FreeBSD to another, the standard recommendation is to delete all installed applications (pkg_delete -a) and then reinstall everything. There may be some incantation of portupgrade or portmaster that will do it. pkg_libchk from sysutils/bsdadminscripts may help. But that is likely to take longer than just pkg_delete -a and reinstalling applications. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Laggy X11 after updating to 8.0-RC1
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, Rohit Grover wrote: > >> I have upgraded to 8.0-RC1 (from 7.2-STABLE) on my MacBook 4,1. I did >> so by checking out stable/8 under /usr/src, rebuilding kernel/world, >> and using portupgrade to update all installed ports from packages >> available on the 8.0RC1 DVD-iso. >> >> Since the update, my X11 is laggy. Now, I often have to move the mouse >> before keystrokes/button presses take effect. > > Make sure hal and dbus are enabled in rc.conf and running. In xorg.conf, > remove Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off". > > A bonus of using hal is that you can remove the keyboard and mouse sections > from xorg.conf. > >> As I've mentioned, I've updated the kernel/world, and updated >> libpciaccess. Perhaps I'm having issues because I need to remove old >> libs. How do I remove old libs? > > cd /usr/src > make check-old-libs > make delete-old-libs I deleted old libs using 'make delete-old-libs' from /usr/src, but that has led to many other problems. It seems many libraries currently in use were deleted in the process. I'm having to rebuild/reinstall many of my applications to get them working again. And gdm doesn't work anymore. Initially X was complaining about missing libraries, but after reinstalling a few packages, I now have gdm going into an endless loop in which it X tries to startup, displays the mouse pointer, and then re-initializes itself. Starting X by itself gets me similar behaviour: the screen blanks out, and then nothing happens. There is nothing in /var/log/messages or on the console to help debug the problem. No man page for gdm. Any ideas on what should be done? thanks. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Laggy X11 after updating to 8.0-RC1
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, Rohit Grover wrote: I have upgraded to 8.0-RC1 (from 7.2-STABLE) on my MacBook 4,1. I did so by checking out stable/8 under /usr/src, rebuilding kernel/world, and using portupgrade to update all installed ports from packages available on the 8.0RC1 DVD-iso. Since the update, my X11 is laggy. Now, I often have to move the mouse before keystrokes/button presses take effect. Make sure hal and dbus are enabled in rc.conf and running. In xorg.conf, remove Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off". A bonus of using hal is that you can remove the keyboard and mouse sections from xorg.conf. As I've mentioned, I've updated the kernel/world, and updated libpciaccess. Perhaps I'm having issues because I need to remove old libs. How do I remove old libs? cd /usr/src make check-old-libs make delete-old-libs /usr/src/Makefile lists all the options. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Laggy X11 after updating to 8.0-RC1
I have upgraded to 8.0-RC1 (from 7.2-STABLE) on my MacBook 4,1. I did so by checking out stable/8 under /usr/src, rebuilding kernel/world, and using portupgrade to update all installed ports from packages available on the 8.0RC1 DVD-iso. Since the update, my X11 is laggy. Now, I often have to move the mouse before keystrokes/button presses take effect. wiki.freebsd.org/USB mentions about a similar situation under the question: "Screen updates in X111 are slow/broken/laggy," and their recommended solution is to update kernel/world, remove old libs, and rebuild the port libpciaccess. As I've mentioned, I've updated the kernel/world, and updated libpciaccess. Perhaps I'm having issues because I need to remove old libs. How do I remove old libs? Could there be another cause for the symptoms I'm experiencing? thanks. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
