Re: Feb 2005 Snapshots for FreeBSD available

2005-02-14 Thread Nate Lawson
Scott Long wrote:
All,
The Release Engineering Team is happy to announce that snapshots for \
FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE and 6.0-CURRENT are now available for download.  This
release is the first in a series of monthly snapshots of the active
branches of the FreeBSD tree.  Each snapshot consists of a 'mini-inst'
(install disc1 without 3rd part packages) CD image for each platform.
While these are not full releases, the intent is to increase access to
the development branches and encourage more testing and more feedback.
We hope to follow on from this with a new snapshot release every month.
Snapshots are available via FTP download from most FreeBSD mirrors at
the pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/_ directory.  Information about
snapshots and pointers to the latest releases are available at
http://www.freebsd.org/snapshots.
Are there any tags for these?  That may be too heavyweight but at least 
publishing the exact UTC date for the build would be good.  That would 
help us track down in bug reports what code the user has, especially 
when it's from areas that are under active development.

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Re: Feb 2005 Snapshots for FreeBSD available

2005-02-14 Thread Scott Long
Nate Lawson wrote:
Scott Long wrote:
All,
The Release Engineering Team is happy to announce that snapshots for \
FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE and 6.0-CURRENT are now available for download.  This
release is the first in a series of monthly snapshots of the active
branches of the FreeBSD tree.  Each snapshot consists of a 'mini-inst'
(install disc1 without 3rd part packages) CD image for each platform.
While these are not full releases, the intent is to increase access to
the development branches and encourage more testing and more feedback.
We hope to follow on from this with a new snapshot release every month.
Snapshots are available via FTP download from most FreeBSD mirrors at
the pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/_ directory.  Information about
snapshots and pointers to the latest releases are available at
http://www.freebsd.org/snapshots.

Are there any tags for these?  That may be too heavyweight but at least 
publishing the exact UTC date for the build would be good.  That would 
help us track down in bug reports what code the user has, especially 
when it's from areas that are under active development.

Yes, publishing the UTC date is something that is on the TODO list,
thanks for the reminder =-)
Scott
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Re: Feb 2005 Snapshots for FreeBSD available

2005-02-15 Thread Michael Nottebrock
On Tuesday, 15. February 2005 07:28, Nate Lawson wrote:

> Are there any tags for these?  That may be too heavyweight but at least
> publishing the exact UTC date for the build would be good.  That would
> help us track down in bug reports what code the user has, especially
> when it's from areas that are under active development.

The snapshots on snapshots.[jp|se].freebsd.org are date-suffixed (however, 
those servers don't build snaps for all platforms).

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Re: Feb 2005 Snapshots for FreeBSD available

2005-02-15 Thread Nate Lawson
Michael Nottebrock wrote:
On Tuesday, 15. February 2005 07:28, Nate Lawson wrote:

Are there any tags for these?  That may be too heavyweight but at least
publishing the exact UTC date for the build would be good.  That would
help us track down in bug reports what code the user has, especially
when it's from areas that are under active development.

The snapshots on snapshots.[jp|se].freebsd.org are date-suffixed (however, 
those servers don't build snaps for all platforms).

I'm talking hour/min./second, thanks.
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Re: Feb 2005 Snapshots for FreeBSD available

2005-02-15 Thread Scott Long
Nate Lawson wrote:
Michael Nottebrock wrote:
On Tuesday, 15. February 2005 07:28, Nate Lawson wrote:

Are there any tags for these?  That may be too heavyweight but at least
publishing the exact UTC date for the build would be good.  That would
help us track down in bug reports what code the user has, especially
when it's from areas that are under active development.

The snapshots on snapshots.[jp|se].freebsd.org are date-suffixed 
(however, those servers don't build snaps for all platforms).

I'm talking hour/min./second, thanks.
What it sounds like you really want is the CVS revision ID for every
file in the snapshot so that when someone reports a bug that you think
you might have fixed already, you can just point them to the correct
revision.  Haven't you learned that vagueness and uncertainty is what 
makes computers fun?? =-)

Scott
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Re: Feb 2005 Snapshots for FreeBSD available

2005-02-15 Thread Michael Nottebrock
On Tuesday, 15. February 2005 17:29, Nate Lawson wrote:
> Michael Nottebrock wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 15. February 2005 07:28, Nate Lawson wrote:
> >>Are there any tags for these?  That may be too heavyweight but at least
> >>publishing the exact UTC date for the build would be good.  That would
> >>help us track down in bug reports what code the user has, especially
> >>when it's from areas that are under active development.
> >
> > The snapshots on snapshots.[jp|se].freebsd.org are date-suffixed
> > (however, those servers don't build snaps for all platforms).
>
> I'm talking hour/min./second, thanks.

Well, the builds on jp are always generated from source of 15:00 UTC of that 
date. The se machine probably uses a fixed time as well, but I can't look it 
up at the moment (hardware troubles at the se site).

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Re: Feb 2005 Snapshots for FreeBSD available

2005-02-15 Thread Michael Nottebrock
On Tuesday, 15. February 2005 17:41, Michael Nottebrock wrote:
> On Tuesday, 15. February 2005 17:29, Nate Lawson wrote:
> > Michael Nottebrock wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, 15. February 2005 07:28, Nate Lawson wrote:
> > >>Are there any tags for these?  That may be too heavyweight but at least
> > >>publishing the exact UTC date for the build would be good.  That would
> > >>help us track down in bug reports what code the user has, especially
> > >>when it's from areas that are under active development.
> > >
> > > The snapshots on snapshots.[jp|se].freebsd.org are date-suffixed
> > > (however, those servers don't build snaps for all platforms).
> >
> > I'm talking hour/min./second, thanks.
>
> Well, the builds on jp are always generated from source of 15:00 UTC of
> that date. The se machine probably uses a fixed time as well, but I can't
> look it up at the moment (hardware troubles at the se site).

And thinking about it, so probably does the snapbuilder which produces those 
snaps on ftp.freebsd.org ... Scott? :-)

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Re: Feb 2005 Snapshots for FreeBSD available

2005-02-15 Thread Scott Long
Michael Nottebrock wrote:
On Tuesday, 15. February 2005 17:41, Michael Nottebrock wrote:
On Tuesday, 15. February 2005 17:29, Nate Lawson wrote:
Michael Nottebrock wrote:
On Tuesday, 15. February 2005 07:28, Nate Lawson wrote:
Are there any tags for these?  That may be too heavyweight but at least
publishing the exact UTC date for the build would be good.  That would
help us track down in bug reports what code the user has, especially
when it's from areas that are under active development.
The snapshots on snapshots.[jp|se].freebsd.org are date-suffixed
(however, those servers don't build snaps for all platforms).
I'm talking hour/min./second, thanks.
Well, the builds on jp are always generated from source of 15:00 UTC of
that date. The se machine probably uses a fixed time as well, but I can't
look it up at the moment (hardware troubles at the se site).

And thinking about it, so probably does the snapbuilder which produces those 
snaps on ftp.freebsd.org ... Scott? :-)

Yes, the lack of a published timestamp is an oversight in this
experiment.  I'm working on correcting it.
Scott
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Re: Feb 2005 Snapshots for FreeBSD available

2005-02-15 Thread Warner Losh
> > I'm talking hour/min./second, thanks.
> > 
> What it sounds like you really want is the CVS revision ID for every
> file in the snapshot so that when someone reports a bug that you think
> you might have fixed already, you can just point them to the correct
> revision.  Haven't you learned that vagueness and uncertainty is what 
> makes computers fun?? =-)

If the snapshots were made with a checkout -D 'XX/XX/XX HH:MM:SS',
then you'd have that knowledge implicitly by the date.

Warner
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Re: Feb 2005 Snapshots for FreeBSD available

2005-02-15 Thread Will Andrews
On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 08:29:13AM -0800, Nate Lawson wrote:
> >The snapshots on snapshots.[jp|se].freebsd.org are date-suffixed (however, 
> >those servers don't build snaps for all platforms).
> >
> 
> I'm talking hour/min./second, thanks.

Both checkout code as of 00:00:00 GMT on the date the snapshot is
built for.  Sooner or later I may change .se to check it out as
of 12:00:00 GMT instead, to provide some variety...

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