Re: OS X Lion time machine => (afpd|iSCSI) => ZFS question
On Jul 25, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:15:06 EDT Gary Palmer wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 02:56:17PM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote: >>> I am in no hurry to upgrade my MBP to OS X Lion but given Lion >>> time machine and netatalk issues, I got wondering if iSCSI on >>> FreeBSD is stable enough for time machine use. How much duct >>> tape and baling wire are needed to make it work?! >> >> Just a word of caution - I read somewhere that using iSCSI for Time >> Machine means that you cannot use TM during an OS reinstall to >> restore your files from the Time Machine archive as iSCSI isn't >> available at that point. It seems you have to use a locally >> attached disk or AFP for the support to be there during >> reinstall. Not sure if thats still the case in Lion or not, I >> would tend to suspect they still don't consider iSCSI a top tier >> transport. > > I read you can create a boot dvd from one of the files in the > upgrade. The problem is that the Boot DVD or Recovery Partition does not have an iSCSI initiator. In fact, the Mac does not ship with an iSCSI initiator, and the common solution to obtaining one is to install the free globalSAN iSCSI Initiator for OS X. Without an installed iSCSI initiator, you won't be able to mount the LUNs upon which is located the Time Machine volume from which you are trying to restore files. Cheers, Paul. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: OS X Lion time machine => (afpd|iSCSI) => ZFS question
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:15:06 EDT Gary Palmer wrote: > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 02:56:17PM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote: > > I am in no hurry to upgrade my MBP to OS X Lion but given Lion > > time machine and netatalk issues, I got wondering if iSCSI on > > FreeBSD is stable enough for time machine use. How much duct > > tape and baling wire are needed to make it work?! > > Just a word of caution - I read somewhere that using iSCSI for Time > Machine means that you cannot use TM during an OS reinstall to > restore your files from the Time Machine archive as iSCSI isn't > available at that point. It seems you have to use a locally > attached disk or AFP for the support to be there during > reinstall. Not sure if thats still the case in Lion or not, I > would tend to suspect they still don't consider iSCSI a top tier > transport. I read you can create a boot dvd from one of the files in the upgrade. I will play with iscsi and report anything significant. Thanks to everyone who responded. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: OS X Lion time machine => (afpd|iSCSI) => ZFS question
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 02:56:17PM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote: > I am in no hurry to upgrade my MBP to OS X Lion but given Lion > time machine and netatalk issues, I got wondering if iSCSI on > FreeBSD is stable enough for time machine use. How much duct > tape and baling wire are needed to make it work?! Just a word of caution - I read somewhere that using iSCSI for Time Machine means that you cannot use TM during an OS reinstall to restore your files from the Time Machine archive as iSCSI isn't available at that point. It seems you have to use a locally attached disk or AFP for the support to be there during reinstall. Not sure if thats still the case in Lion or not, I would tend to suspect they still don't consider iSCSI a top tier transport. Regards, Gary ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: OS X Lion time machine => (afpd|iSCSI) => ZFS question
Am 21.07.2011 um 23:56 schrieb Bakul Shah: > I am in no hurry to upgrade my MBP to OS X Lion but given Lion > time machine and netatalk issues, I got wondering if iSCSI on > FreeBSD is stable enough for time machine use. How much duct > tape and baling wire are needed to make it work?! After having had odd behavior from TM on a netatalk volume, I've switched over to istgt and the globalSAN iSCSI initiator, using a ZVOL. I found the istgt configuration non-obvious, but I also have little background in iSCSI. Took me about an hour to get it up and running without authentication; haven't bothered since trying to get authentication to work. Stefan -- Stefan BethkeFon +49 151 14070811 ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: OS X Lion time machine => (afpd|iSCSI) => ZFS question
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:56:17 +0200, Bakul Shah wrote: I am in no hurry to upgrade my MBP to OS X Lion but given Lion time machine and netatalk issues, I got wondering if iSCSI on FreeBSD is stable enough for time machine use. How much duct tape and baling wire are needed to make it work?! A friend of mine posted this on twitter this morning. http://www.alexanderwilde.com/2011/04/os-x-lion-connection-error-with-afp-and-workaround/ Apparently some hash algorithm or something like that is disabled in Lion, but not in a lot of NAS's. Ronald/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: OS X Lion time machine => (afpd|iSCSI) => ZFS question
> iSCSI as in the target (server) function? net/istgt in ports seemed ok > last time I tried it. Plus the older (and simpler) net/iscsi-target works fine. Quite some time agao I did spent a lot of time playing around with the initiator. My expereinces were that it works very nicely when connectivity works, but that a permanent loss of the far end oif the connection doesn't lead to a nice failure ... but then nether does ripping a SCSI drive off a bus, so I am not too fusssed about that in general! Re-establishing the connection fixes the problem. I got less good results layering other things (gmirror + zfs) on top of it though, but again it was the failire behaviour which lead me not to use it in the end, rather than the normal fucntionality, which works very well. -pete. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: OS X Lion time machine => (afpd|iSCSI) => ZFS question
On 21/07/2011 23:56, Bakul Shah wrote: I got wondering if iSCSI on FreeBSD is stable enough for time machine use. How much duct tape and baling wire are needed to make it work?! iSCSI as in the target (server) function? net/istgt in ports seemed ok last time I tried it. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: OS X Lion time machine => (afpd|iSCSI) => ZFS question
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011, Bakul Shah wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:28:08 PDT Chuck Swiger wrote: On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: I am in no hurry to upgrade my MBP to OS X Lion but given Lion time machine and netatalk issues, Which issues? (And did you file a bug report? :-) Google `os x lion netatalk time machine'! But briefly, a newer version of the appletalk protocol is used with lion time machine which is not supported by netatalk in the ports. netafp.com (I think that is the right name) has a new version but at least for now it is closed source (only their customers get it -- whether they are breaking the GPL or not is a discussion belongs elsehere). The version in sourceforge is not quite upto snuff from what I hear. The 2.2beta apparently supports AFP 3.3, but it's not in the ports tree yet. I got wondering if iSCSI on FreeBSD is stable enough for time machine use. How much duct tape and baling wire are needed to make it work?! There was a fine discussion about this here: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/ZFS-vs-OSX-Time-Machine-td4346562.html Thanks. I think I saw it back then Nothing new since then? ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: OS X Lion time machine => (afpd|iSCSI) => ZFS question
On Jul 21, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: > On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:28:08 PDT Chuck Swiger wrote: >> On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: >>> I am in no hurry to upgrade my MBP to OS X Lion but given Lion >>> time machine and netatalk issues, >> >> Which issues? (And did you file a bug report? :-) > > Google `os x lion netatalk time machine'! With due respect for the search folks up the road in Mountain View, I asked which issues you'd had and whether you'd filed a bug report about them. > But briefly, a newer version of the appletalk protocol is used with lion time > machine which is not supported by netatalk in the ports. Ah, yes: anything below AFP 3.2 or direct block access is likely ENOTSUP. >>> I got wondering if iSCSI on FreeBSD is stable enough for >>> time machine use. How much duct tape and baling wire are needed >>> to make it work?! >> >> There was a fine discussion about this here: >> >> http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/ZFS-vs-OSX-Time-Machine-td4346562.html > > Thanks. I think I saw it back then Nothing new since then? Aside from Lion, you mean? Well, FreeBSD seems to be making progress with ZFS and memory tuning; I'm not as familiar with work being done on iSCSI. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: OS X Lion time machine => (afpd|iSCSI) => ZFS question
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:28:08 PDT Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: > > I am in no hurry to upgrade my MBP to OS X Lion but given Lion > > time machine and netatalk issues, > > Which issues? (And did you file a bug report? :-) Google `os x lion netatalk time machine'! But briefly, a newer version of the appletalk protocol is used with lion time machine which is not supported by netatalk in the ports. netafp.com (I think that is the right name) has a new version but at least for now it is closed source (only their customers get it -- whether they are breaking the GPL or not is a discussion belongs elsehere). The version in sourceforge is not quite upto snuff from what I hear. > > I got wondering if iSCSI on FreeBSD is stable enough for > > time machine use. How much duct tape and baling wire are needed > > to make it work?! > > There was a fine discussion about this here: > > http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/ZFS-vs-OSX-Time-Machine-td4346562.html Thanks. I think I saw it back then Nothing new since then? ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: OS X Lion time machine => (afpd|iSCSI) => ZFS question
On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: > I am in no hurry to upgrade my MBP to OS X Lion but given Lion > time machine and netatalk issues, Which issues? (And did you file a bug report? :-) > I got wondering if iSCSI on FreeBSD is stable enough for > time machine use. How much duct tape and baling wire are needed > to make it work?! There was a fine discussion about this here: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/ZFS-vs-OSX-Time-Machine-td4346562.html Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
