Re: Via EPIA Mini-ITX motherboard
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 18:03, Brooks Davis wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 05:57:35PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: Those mostly use Micro-ATX form factor boards. Some of them are getting dirt cheap, too; a local screwdriver shop advertises one with a P4 for $499 these days. Wowsers. Probably a crappy motherboard, but toss in another $100 for a good mobo power supply and you've got yourself quite a 1u system. Then just wait for them to overheat... The Iron Systems A110's are Via C3's on mini-itx boards. I've got four of them. They definaly won't overheat. If anything, they are over cooled. They are quite loud. If you do buy a 1U box, make sure the vendor does real thermal testing. It's hard to cool something that small and there's a lot of crap out there. Yeah, no kidding. I build 1u appliances for a living. We stuff 5 of them in a cardboard box and run the ambient temp up to 120 degrees then let them bake for 5 days to do our temperature testing. We instrument the one in the middle of the stack with 5 temperature probes to check for hot spots. We're doing our first hard-disk based design right now and keeping the disks from cooking off is going to be a real challenge; we might have to drop the temp to 105-110 degrees F. Mini-ITX based 1Us are a great idea. Good to hear Iron Systems is still out there leading the way. ;^) -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Via EPIA Mini-ITX motherboard
Hi Chris and Matthew, Yes. I use it to boot my kitchen and office workstations. Ditto here -- kitchen from rack system in the basement. Computers in the kitchen are good, quiet is good :-) Are your machines completely diskless then? Which kind of PSU do you use then? Some of these low-power external ones? I really would like to get rid of every fan in such an EPIA machine. Both because of the sound and the possible failure source. With no mechanical parts left inside the computer, it should also be robust enough, to be tossen around in the kitchen by children. Another possible use would be as multimedia centre in the living room, but I suspect you would need the 1GHz version then (or what about the newer chipsets? They should have some hardware acceleration to make life easuer for the processor?). Is it possible to pasive cool this one, if there is no additional heat source like a harddisk or PSU in the case? Thanks for sharing your experience here. Ciao Siegbert ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Via EPIA Mini-ITX motherboard
On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 04:06:18PM +0200, Siegbert Baude wrote: Are your machines completely diskless then? Which kind of PSU do you use then? Some of these low-power external ones? I really would like to get rid of every fan in such an EPIA machine. Both because of the sound and the possible failure source. With no mechanical parts left inside the computer, it should also be robust enough, to be tossen around in the kitchen by children. Another possible use would be as multimedia centre in the living room, but I suspect you would need the 1GHz version then (or what about the newer chipsets? They should have some hardware acceleration to make life easuer for the processor?). Is it possible to pasive cool this one, if there is no additional heat source like a harddisk or PSU in the case? Siegbert, You want one of these babies: http://www.hush-technologies.com/ 1GHz CPU, totally fanless. I think this is about the only piece of computer equipment I've ever seen that I'd be happy to keep on my hi-fi rack :-) You do pay quite a premium for the fancy heatsink/case though, and I'm not sure whether they do a complpetely diskless version. Scott -- === Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID | Eagles may soar, but weasels Cambridge, England | 0x54B171B9 | don't get sucked into jet engines scott at fishballoon.org | 0xAA775B8B | -- Anon ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Via EPIA Mini-ITX motherboard
Thanks for the link. I checked out web page. I'm not familiar with the 933 Mhz VIA C3 CPU, VIA CLE266 Chipset. Do you have any information on that? I've been also looking at some of the cube computers and some of the half-size boards at http://www.emj.com --Richard Schilling On 2003.06.14 07:55 Scott Mitchell wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 04:06:18PM +0200, Siegbert Baude wrote: Are your machines completely diskless then? Which kind of PSU do you use then? Some of these low-power external ones? I really would like to get rid of every fan in such an EPIA machine. Both because of the sound and the possible failure source. With no mechanical parts left inside the computer, it should also be robust enough, to be tossen around in the kitchen by children. Another possible use would be as multimedia centre in the living room, but I suspect you would need the 1GHz version then (or what about the newer chipsets? They should have some hardware acceleration to make life easuer for the processor?). Is it possible to pasive cool this one, if there is no additional heat source like a harddisk or PSU in the case? Siegbert, You want one of these babies: http://www.hush-technologies.com/ 1GHz CPU, totally fanless. I think this is about the only piece of computer equipment I've ever seen that I'd be happy to keep on my hi-fi rack :-) You do pay quite a premium for the fancy heatsink/case though, and I'm not sure whether they do a complpetely diskless version. Scott -- === Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID | Eagles may soar, but weasels Cambridge, England | 0x54B171B9 | don't get sucked into jet engines scott at fishballoon.org | 0xAA775B8B | -- Anon ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Via EPIA Mini-ITX motherboard
On Tuesday 10 June 2003 05:04 pm, Steve Burton wrote: Before I retire to current, is it possible to boot off a 4.x CD and then use ftp to install 5.1? There is no floppy support on my motherboard and I won't have CD's for ages. No nearby friends with good bandwidth and a CD-R? -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Via EPIA Mini-ITX motherboard
On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 08:14:44AM +0100, Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote: CPU: VIA C3 Samuel 2 (800.03-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = CentaurHauls Id = 0x678 Stepping = 8 Features=0x803035FPU,DE,TSC,MSR,MTRR,PGE,MMX real memory = 266272768 (260032K bytes) ... So for summary: It is quite perfect for be the FreeBSD router that manage my adsl line and till now I can't find anything that not work as expected (even if I think the cpu could be more fast :-) What do people expect their firewall/router to be doing? I'm using an old 486DX-50 with 20MB of RAM and a pair of ISA-bus SMC8013 cards to manage my cable connection using ipfilter and ipnat. It's definitely not a speed daemon but I managed to download the 5.0-RC ISO's at just over 440KBps - though I suspect this was close to saturating the CPU based on previous experiments. Unless you have something like a T3 (or better) connection, want to run applications, VPNs and natd, a 800MHz 686 is vast overkill. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: Via EPIA Mini-ITX motherboard
On Monday 23 December 2002 6:33 am, Peter Jeremy wrote: On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 08:14:44AM +0100, Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote: CPU: VIA C3 Samuel 2 (800.03-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = CentaurHauls Id = 0x678 Stepping = 8 Features=0x803035FPU,DE,TSC,MSR,MTRR,PGE,MMX real memory = 266272768 (260032K bytes) ... So for summary: It is quite perfect for be the FreeBSD router that manage my adsl line and till now I can't find anything that not work as expected (even if I think the cpu could be more fast :-) What do people expect their firewall/router to be doing? I'm using an old 486DX-50 with 20MB of RAM and a pair of ISA-bus SMC8013 cards to manage my cable connection using ipfilter and ipnat. It's definitely not a speed daemon but I managed to download the 5.0-RC ISO's at just over 440KBps - though I suspect this was close to saturating the CPU based on previous experiments. I too use 486's of various CPU speeds w/FreeBSD for all my network devices at home. I have three firewalls two IDS, none of which are better than 486DX-75 (except one IDS is a Pentium overdrive in a 486DX-33Mhz board) and all perform quite well. I haven't actually done any perfromance measuring of a formal nature, but the casual vmstat has never shown me a CPU less than 80% idle. Gotta love old hardware :) -- Eric I. Arnoth http://mywebpages.comcast.net/earnoth CISSP (http://www.isc2.org)http://watch-tower.sourceforge.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.honeypotdiary.org ¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°*°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°*°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°*°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°*°º¤ø,¸¸,ø Tolkien Authentication - one root to rule them all To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: Via EPIA Mini-ITX motherboard
On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 10:19, Andrew C Bergman wrote: CPU: VIA C3 Samuel 2 (800.03-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = CentaurHauls Id = 0x678 Stepping = 8 Features=0x803035FPU,DE,TSC,MSR,MTRR,PGE,MMX The machine feels very very fast, I was quite amazed by it. Worthwhile $260AU investment :-) Where'd you buy it? I would be interested for that price.. TV out + install a BT878 card.. mmm :) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: Via EPIA Mini-ITX motherboard
On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 12:49, Andrew C Bergman wrote: I have a C3 800 running at home, it works like a charm. I'm running 5.0-DP2 on it, simply so the PCI pcmcia cradle + wireless card I have would be detected and work. 4.6-R, 4.7 release and stable, and 5.0-dp2 all work a charm on it. Very very very nice machines - if you want to reduce noise with them (my cpu fan made a bit of noise), try replacing the 6000rpm fan that comes on the board with something a little slower. Or you could buy the 533MHz model that is fanless. That and a flash disk and not more moving parts. CPU: VIA C3 Samuel 2 (800.03-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = CentaurHauls Id = 0x678 Stepping = 8 Features=0x803035FPU,DE,TSC,MSR,MTRR,PGE,MMX The machine feels very very fast, I was quite amazed by it. Worthwhile $260AU investment :-) Enjoy, To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: Via EPIA Mini-ITX motherboard
This is what Daniel O'Connor at Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 10:49:29AM +1030 wrote: On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 10:19, Andrew C Bergman wrote: CPU: VIA C3 Samuel 2 (800.03-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = CentaurHauls Id = 0x678 Stepping = 8 Features=0x803035FPU,DE,TSC,MSR,MTRR,PGE,MMX The machine feels very very fast, I was quite amazed by it. Worthwhile $260AU investment :-) Where'd you buy it? I picked mine up from www.computermarket.com.au - most of the online computer shops here seem to have them at around the same price. Apparently there are some newer ones coming out with a few more features on them, more aimed at the windows desktop user, rather then the *nix based user. If you are interested in a box prebuilt, with flash, then Traverse have them at a good rate. http://www.traverse.com.au/products/default.asp?p=51 I was going to get one from them, but I had the hard drive, and ram laying around here. These guys have an interesting range of cases to suit: http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/show_products.php?input[category_id]=371 And the boards available, note the newer ones have Firewire on them, which could be fun. http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/show_products.php?input[category_id]=361 I would be interested for that price.. TV out + install a BT878 card.. mmm :) One PCI slot one these boards. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: Via EPIA Mini-ITX motherboard
On 6 Dec 2002, at 10:49 [=GMT+1030], Daniel O'Connor wrote: On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 10:19, Andrew C Bergman wrote: CPU: VIA C3 Samuel 2 (800.03-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = CentaurHauls Id = 0x678 Stepping = 8 Features=0x803035FPU,DE,TSC,MSR,MTRR,PGE,MMX The machine feels very very fast, I was quite amazed by it. Worthwhile $260AU investment :-) Where'd you buy it? I would be interested for that price.. http://www.mini-itx.com has a list from all over the world. Also for cases. The boards are available on Ebay at US$110 (533MHz) and US$130. (No, I am not the seller.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
