Re: Request for flowtable testers and actionable feedback RE: flowtable usable or not
On Mar 5, 2012, at 9:11 AM, H wrote: I have the right, even the obligation to point out what I think is wrong So, you see yourself as speaking for others? You certainly do not speak for me! Never authorized you for this, never ever knew you actually exist. For various historical reasons, I don't particularly like the kind of people who self-elect themselves to defend other's rights. OK? :-) So unlike you, Kip at least tries to achieve something. For the good of others. Even if he didn't do it in the most humble, democratic and whatever way. Even if he appears for many as being arrogant or whatever. People are different, some might actually prefer Kip's way, did you imagine that? I happen to share the opinion and the experience of Mark Linimon in situations like this and yes, I do believe you have been rude here. For no reason whatsoever. You either make the choice to help Kip in his experiment, or not. For me, personally, as long as you don't stay on my way, I don't really care what your position is. Daniel PS: In any case, this is an open forum, so you have your opinion heard. By a lot of people.___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Request for flowtable testers and actionable feedback RE: flowtable usable or not
On 3/5/2012 15:00, Daniel Kalchev wrote: I happen to share the opinion and the experience of Mark Linimon in situations like this and yes, I do believe you have been rude here. For no reason whatsoever. I agree. This H person has been hijacking threads over the last week or so, and all of the messages I've seen from them boil down trolling. This is in contrast to the patient, well thought out replies from the rest of the list. I'm at a loss as to what H's endgame is, but it probably has more to do with writing poorly executed metaphors than it does with helping FreeBSD or its users (whom he/she implies they represent). ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Request for flowtable testers and actionable feedback RE: flowtable usable or not
Daniel Kalchev wrote: On Mar 5, 2012, at 9:11 AM, H wrote: I have the right, even the obligation to point out what I think is wrong So, you see yourself as speaking for others? You certainly do not speak for me! Never authorized you for this, never ever knew you actually exist. For various historical reasons, I don't particularly like the kind of people who self-elect themselves to defend other's rights. OK? :-) don't try to sell your silly deductions as assumptions ... who says I usual means I not they, we or for them but you're funny, must be a ghost typing here :) perhaps I'm just behind your back right now huhhh :) H So unlike you, Kip at least tries to achieve something. For the good of others. Even if he didn't do it in the most humble, democratic and whatever way. Even if he appears for many as being arrogant or whatever. People are different, some might actually prefer Kip's way, did you imagine that? I happen to share the opinion and the experience of Mark Linimon in situations like this and yes, I do believe you have been rude here. For no reason whatsoever. You either make the choice to help Kip in his experiment, or not. For me, personally, as long as you don't stay on my way, I don't really care what your position is. Daniel PS: In any case, this is an open forum, so you have your opinion heard. By a lot of people.___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- H +55 11 4249. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Request for flowtable testers and actionable feedback RE: flowtable usable or not
Adam Strohl wrote: On 3/5/2012 15:00, Daniel Kalchev wrote: I happen to share the opinion and the experience of Mark Linimon in situations like this and yes, I do believe you have been rude here. For no reason whatsoever. I agree. This H person has been hijacking threads over the last week or so, and all of the messages I've seen from them boil down trolling. This is in contrast to the patient, well thought out replies from the rest of the list. I'm at a loss as to what H's endgame is, but it probably has more to do with writing poorly executed metaphors than it does with helping FreeBSD or its users (whom he/she implies they represent). ___ you also do not have a clew, have you? now we're changing to girl-talk ? If you are curious about something, ask, right away ... clear and straight -- H signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Request for flowtable testers and actionable feedback RE: flowtable usable or not
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 4:37 PM, H h...@hm.net.br wrote: If you are curious about something, ask, right away ... clear and straight I'm curious about when you will stop trolling one of the last few fora on the internet where the SNR is actually high. This topic is discussing how users can help Kip can make flowtables more acceptable/without strange side-effects. If you're not discussing that, please don't discuss other things*. Start a new thread if you want to discuss the state of ports, whether you can't install KDE, ad infinitum. Cheers Tom * I'm well aware that I'm doing that also. I'm sorry. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Request for flowtable testers and actionable feedback RE: flowtable usable or not
K. Macy wrote: I'm re-sending this portion of another mail as it will inevitably not be read by most readers by virtue of having been part of a long and digressive thread. this is exactly one of this statements which makes users (normal people) stay away a person-person understand this as shut up fuckers, you're disturbing my privileged thinking, how do you dare you little nothings and certainly not going along with your quoted anti-nazi statement below, well, thinking better, the last paragraph may apply ... what you said here before ... any progress, any improvements, any advancements will only happen because *we* made it happen. bravo!!! hurray!!! Mr. *WE* Sir Judge of the poor souls... you have really balls to write such a thing, do you? in modern people conversations, this what you call digressive, we call it brainstorming and it is _highly_ desirable, because talking together leads to new ideas, what you apparently refuse to acknowledge you do shit when you have a close mind some people simply do not get the big picture because they only see themselves, their interests and personal reflection in the pretended egomaniac outcome and that my friend, certainly is no progress at all ... ohh you know what is funny? At the end, you are one of these in your own quote: The real damage is done by those millions who want to 'get by.' because you don't care about what really matters, people, users, you do not even know how to talk to them I might go with Doug's frustration Clearly you are either unable or unwilling to see my point, so I wish you all the best. and what he said gently in another thread, I still did not agreed that time, but now I'm coming closer That's only true if the project leadership agrees with your goals Sooo all you Mr. *WEs* good work! we worship you until the rest of your days and beyond H -- “The real damage is done by those millions who want to 'get by.' The ordinary men who just want to be left in peace. Those who don’t want their little lives disturbed by anything bigger than themselves. Those with no sides and no causes. Those who won’t take measure of their own strength, for fear of antagonizing their own weakness. Those who don’t like to make waves—or enemies. Those for whom freedom, honour, truth, and principles are only literature. Those who live small, love small, die small. It’s the reductionist approach to life: if you keep it small, you’ll keep it under control. If you don’t make any noise, the bogeyman won’t find you. But it’s all an illusion, because they die too, those people who roll up their spirits into tiny little balls so as to be safe. Safe?! From what? Life is always on the edge of death; narrow streets lead to the same place as wide avenues, and a little candle burns itself out just like a flaming torch does. I choose my own way to burn.” Sophie Scholl ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- H signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Request for flowtable testers and actionable feedback RE: flowtable usable or not
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 02:28:37AM -0300, H wrote: because you don't care about what really matters, people, users, you do not even know how to talk to them I've been criticized for saying this to a user before, but I'm going to repeat it here regardless of consequences. I'm sorry, you (as a user) do not have the right to flame someone in this manner and then expect them to listen to further input from you, no matter how reasonable your further contributions are. We are not paid employees, who might have to simply continue to work with you because their business requires it. I am not speaking for Kip here but I will state that I myself am happy to work with users up until I feel I am getting treated like this, at which point I feel no further obligation whatsoever to try to help them. Executive summary: you are being very rude here. mcl ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Request for flowtable testers and actionable feedback RE: flowtable usable or not
Mark Linimon wrote: On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 02:28:37AM -0300, H wrote: because you don't care about what really matters, people, users, you do not even know how to talk to them I've been criticized for saying this to a user before, but I'm going to repeat it here regardless of consequences. I'm sorry, you (as a user) do not have the right to flame someone in this manner and then expect them to listen to further input from you, no matter how reasonable your further contributions are. We are not paid employees, who might have to simply continue to work with you because their business requires it. I am not speaking for Kip here but I will state that I myself am happy to work with users up until I feel I am getting treated like this, at which point I feel no further obligation whatsoever to try to help them. Executive summary: you are being very rude here. mcl well, as they say, as you shout into the woods it comes back ... who can not stand the echo better hold his peace ... not withstanding the annulment of my rights ... I grant you the right to criticize me as you wish do you mean rude or direct? I have the right, even the obligation to point out what I think is wrong if you think it's not, then make your point but telling me what I can or not is kind of lame, don't you think so? -- H signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Request for flowtable testers and actionable feedback RE: flowtable usable or not
I'm re-sending this portion of another mail as it will inevitably not be read by most readers by virtue of having been part of a long and digressive thread. subject line: flowtable usable or not It is possible to re-structure the routing code to have a smaller cache footprint / shorter lookup time / and eliminate all locking in the packet transmit path (ip_output, ip_forward). However, it would take more time and effort than I have to do so as a recreational activity. The set of people able to fund such an effort is non-intersecting with the set of people who would benefit the most heavily from it. Hence, for the time being, for those who want to be able to approach anywhere near 1Mpps, much less 10 or 15 times that, whilst continuing to use the regular stack (i.e. not running netmap) we are left only with flowtable for bypassing the locking and compute overhead of per-packet route lookups. It is beyond debate that under some, if not many, circumstances flowtable was unusable and perhaps continues to be. Hence, any further reports of it was broken so I turned it off, and now my life is better should be left unsent. If you, the reader, are willing to contribute to the testing of changes, provide backtraces from cores etc. please follow up. Thank you for your support. Cheers, Kip -- “The real damage is done by those millions who want to 'get by.' The ordinary men who just want to be left in peace. Those who don’t want their little lives disturbed by anything bigger than themselves. Those with no sides and no causes. Those who won’t take measure of their own strength, for fear of antagonizing their own weakness. Those who don’t like to make waves—or enemies. Those for whom freedom, honour, truth, and principles are only literature. Those who live small, love small, die small. It’s the reductionist approach to life: if you keep it small, you’ll keep it under control. If you don’t make any noise, the bogeyman won’t find you. But it’s all an illusion, because they die too, those people who roll up their spirits into tiny little balls so as to be safe. Safe?! From what? Life is always on the edge of death; narrow streets lead to the same place as wide avenues, and a little candle burns itself out just like a flaming torch does. I choose my own way to burn.” Sophie Scholl ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
