Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:58:34 -0500 Nikolas Britton wrote: We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Brilliant. Let's destroy years of good will with AMD, a company that has been very good about supporting open source and providing good documentation for their products. Let's hound them about something that is probably not under their control, since they don't own all of the IP in the ATI products, just as nVidia doesn't own everything it sells. This is the kind of thing that turns people and companies away from open source. Here's the email address of AMD's president: deleted Quite acting like a child. Would you like it if someone posted your email address publicly like this to be harvested for spam and useless zealotry? -- shannon | There are nowadays professors of philosophy, but not | philosophers. Well said Charles. Will the children please refrain from posting to the list. -Clay ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:58:34 -0500 Nikolas Britton wrote: We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Brilliant. Let's destroy years of good will with AMD, a company that has been very good about supporting open source and providing good documentation for their products. Let's hound them about something that is probably not under their control, since they don't own all of the IP in the ATI products, just as nVidia doesn't own everything it sells. This is the kind of thing that turns people and companies away from open source. Here's the email address of AMD's president: deleted Quite acting like a child. Would you like it if someone posted your email address publicly like this to be harvested for spam and useless zealotry? Fully agreed. If somebody insists on not buying AMD/ATi products: Buy only such products known to work with free drivers available ;) Just my 0.02€ Philipp -- www.familie-ost.info/~pj ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri wrote: Since AMD/ATI doesn't make a native driver for FreeBSD, I only buy notebooks with nvidia, and I told my friends about this. We as FreeBSD users could write about this in our blogs and pages, which will widespread the word about the driver issues in better way, as long as more users aware of this, this will force AMD/ATI to look into the issue deeper, and work it out. This would be better than emailing the AMD CEO IMHO. We could contact the ATI exec(s) too - pointing out that older ATI cards have support added by the Xorg developers and how helping them out with the newer ones can only result in increased ATI sales... got nothing to lose there I think! Cheers Mark P.s: currently use ATI 9550. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
Quoth Nikolas Britton on Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 14:58:34 -0500 We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. It is not a problem but a marketing decision we know nothing about. I have seen Linux drivers, Windows drivers and Mac drivers from their site. I am sure that if we asked in a reasonable and polite fashion we could convince them to release the drivers for *BSD -- or make the Linux ones in such a way that they work on *BSD. Hounding them is not going to help. It will harm our cause. Give him your two cents. Please, do not do that. It will hinder. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=*=- www.kierun.org PGP: 009D 7287 C4A7 FD4F 1680 06E4 F751 7006 9DE2 6318 pgpGbzQUFEqJs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
Kip Macy a écrit : Good data point. I'm not taking sides. What dual head card are you using? I'm ordering the parts for a shuttle box now - if Nvidia works better I'll go with it. By the past, I tried it with an (old :-) 6800 GT, on DFP + CRT iiyama screens: two different displays or only one (twice larger , (2x1280)x1024) have worked fine. You have to weak your xorg.conf file to do this, reading the nvidia's README, but it's (was :-) doable. Cheers, -- http://scipy.org/FredericPetit ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 10:43:12AM +1100 I heard the voice of Andrew Reilly, and lo! it spake thus: Matrox used to have a reputation for goodness (I used to have a G400 or the like), but it's been a long time... I'm sitting on a G450 here. Works great. I've never heard anything bad about the 550 either, and it's a bit more capable. But then, the 550 is also like 6 years old now (and still $100 new, and uncommon used), and none of the newer Matrox cards have info released either. Your choices for a late-model graphics card with released information for an open driver are limited to... ahh... well... no, not that one either... uh... -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:40:19 -0500 Matthew D. Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sitting on a G450 here. Works great. I've never heard anything bad about the 550 either, and it's a bit more capable. But then, the 550 is also like 6 years old now (and still $100 new, and uncommon used), and none of the newer Matrox cards have info released either. Your choices for a late-model graphics card with released information for an open driver are limited to... ahh... well... no, not that one either... uh... Totally right! It's sad they're not on laptops. -- Massimo.run(); The right to be let alone is indeed the beginning of all freedom. -- Justice Douglas ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
Andrew Reilly wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) Doug Ambrisko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :-( I was a fan of ati since it was easier to get support. Now I'm starting to lean towards Nvidia :-( Does anyone know if there are *any* contemporary graphics cards that have 3D acceleration supported by some flavour of open-source x.org? Doesn't have to be a super-fast 'leet gamer system to be better than a non-accelerated frame buffer. Matrox used to have a reputation for goodness (I used to have a G400 or the like), but it's been a long time... (I'm currently using a lowish-end NVidia card under the x.org nv driver, but it has issues (of which no 3D accel is but one...) Cheers, Try the 'vesa' xorg driver. It may not be fancy or all that accelerated but it works quite well. I have an nvidia card and cannot get it to work for the life of me. the drive attached, but nothing happens after that. It might be the fact that I have a PCI express card. But the vesa driver is working just fine for me. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
Quoth Sean Bryant on Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 11:55:20 -0400 Try the 'vesa' xorg driver. It may not be fancy or all that accelerated but it works quite well. I have an nvidia card and cannot get it to work for the life of me. the drive attached, but nothing happens after that. It might be the fact that I have a PCI express card. But the vesa driver is working just fine for me. I tried to get a vesa working with a Radeon X1900 and the screen resolution is rather poor. I certainly cannot seem to get it at 1600x1200 which is what I am used to. See my previous post if you think you can improve on that. I can live without fancy GL screen savers but having a tiny screen is rather irritating. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=*=- www.kierun.org PGP: 009D 7287 C4A7 FD4F 1680 06E4 F751 7006 9DE2 6318 pgpxQnZw6ovlH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
Sean Bryant wrote: Andrew Reilly wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) Doug Ambrisko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :-( I was a fan of ati since it was easier to get support. Now I'm starting to lean towards Nvidia :-( Does anyone know if there are *any* contemporary graphics cards that have 3D acceleration supported by some flavour of open-source x.org? Doesn't have to be a super-fast 'leet gamer system to be better than a non-accelerated frame buffer. I never thought I'd actually recommend it but The Intel 82945GM controller in my laptop has semi ok 3d acceleration. I'm running the experimental xorg 7.2.r3 server with beryl and its running quite nicely. output of glinfo below if anyones interested. The performance doesnt compare to the nvidia drivers on my desktop at home but it does its job, wouldnt want to game on it though. glxgears output: libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b 3235 frames in 5.0 seconds = 646.998 FPS 3610 frames in 5.0 seconds = 721.937 FPS 3525 frames in 5.0 seconds = 704.861 FPS -- glinfo output: libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b GL_VERSION: 1.3 Mesa 6.5.2 GL_EXTENSIONS: GL_ARB_depth_texture GL_ARB_fragment_program GL_ARB_imaging GL_AR B_multisample GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_point_parameters GL_ARB_shadow GL_ARB_t exture_border_clamp GL_ARB_texture_compression GL_ARB_texture_cube_map GL_ARB_te xture_env_add GL_ARB_texture_env_combine GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar GL_ARB_text ure_env_dot3 GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat GL_ARB_texture_rectangle GL_ARB_tran spose_matrix GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object GL_ARB_vertex_program GL_ARB_window_pos GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_bgra GL_EXT_blend_color GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate GL_EX T_blend_func_separate GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_blend_subtract GL_EXT_clip_volu me_hint GL_EXT_cull_vertex GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array GL_EXT_convolution GL_EX T_copy_texture GL_EXT_draw_range_elements GL_EXT_fog_coord GL_EXT_histogram GL_E XT_multi_draw_arrays GL_EXT_packed_pixels GL_EXT_point_parameters GL_EXT_polygon _offset GL_EXT_rescale_normal GL_EXT_secondary_color GL_EXT_separate_specular_co lor GL_EXT_shadow_funcs GL_EXT_stencil_wrap GL_EXT_subtexture GL_EXT_texture GL_ EXT_texture3D GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_EXT_texture_en v_combine GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3 GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic GL_EXT_textu re_lod_bias GL_EXT_texture_object GL_EXT_texture_rectangle GL_EXT_vertex_array G L_3DFX_texture_compression_FXT1 GL_APPLE_client_storage GL_APPLE_packed_pixels G L_ATI_blend_equation_separate GL_IBM_rasterpos_clip GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repe at GL_INGR_blend_func_separate GL_MESA_pack_invert GL_MESA_ycbcr_texture GL_MESA _window_pos GL_NV_blend_square GL_NV_light_max_exponent GL_NV_texture_rectangle GL_NV_texgen_reflection GL_NV_vertex_program GL_NV_vertex_program1_1 GL_OES_read _format GL_SGI_color_matrix GL_SGI_color_table GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap GL_SGIS_t exture_border_clamp GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp GL_SGIS_texture_lod GL_SGIX_depth _texture GL_SUN_multi_draw_arrays GL_RENDERER: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM 20061017 x86/MMX/SSE2 GL_VENDOR: Tungsten Graphics, Inc GLU_VERSION: 1.3 GLU_EXTENSIONS: GLU_EXT_nurbs_tessellator GLU_EXT_object_space_tess GLUT_API_VERSION: 5 GLUT_XLIB_IMPLEMENTATION: 15 Vince Try the 'vesa' xorg driver. It may not be fancy or all that accelerated but it works quite well. I have an nvidia card and cannot get it to work for the life of me. the drive attached, but nothing happens after that. It might be the fact that I have a PCI express card. But the vesa driver is working just fine for me. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: Sean Bryant wrote: Andrew Reilly wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) Doug Ambrisko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :-( I was a fan of ati since it was easier to get support. Now I'm starting to lean towards Nvidia :-( Does anyone know if there are *any* contemporary graphics cards that have 3D acceleration supported by some flavour of open-source x.org? Doesn't have to be a super-fast 'leet gamer system to be better than a non-accelerated frame buffer. Matrox used to have a reputation for goodness (I used to have a G400 or the like), but it's been a long time... (I'm currently using a lowish-end NVidia card under the x.org nv driver, but it has issues (of which no 3D accel is but one...) Cheers, Try the 'vesa' xorg driver. It may not be fancy or all that accelerated but it works quite well. I have an nvidia card and cannot get it to work for the life of me. the drive attached, but nothing happens after that. It might be the fact that I have a PCI express card. But the vesa driver is working just fine for me. I had a PCI-X nvidia card PCI-X? Or PCI Express? PCI-X is not the same thing. Scott ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
Scott Long wrote: Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: Sean Bryant wrote: Andrew Reilly wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) Doug Ambrisko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :-( I was a fan of ati since it was easier to get support. Now I'm starting to lean towards Nvidia :-( Does anyone know if there are *any* contemporary graphics cards that have 3D acceleration supported by some flavour of open-source x.org? Doesn't have to be a super-fast 'leet gamer system to be better than a non-accelerated frame buffer. Matrox used to have a reputation for goodness (I used to have a G400 or the like), but it's been a long time... (I'm currently using a lowish-end NVidia card under the x.org nv driver, but it has issues (of which no 3D accel is but one...) Cheers, Try the 'vesa' xorg driver. It may not be fancy or all that accelerated but it works quite well. I have an nvidia card and cannot get it to work for the life of me. the drive attached, but nothing happens after that. It might be the fact that I have a PCI express card. But the vesa driver is working just fine for me. I had a PCI-X nvidia card PCI-X? Or PCI Express? PCI-X is not the same thing. It isn't? I guess this shows my ignorance! Well, I think it is the PCI express - the one that is supposed to be super fast, and replace AGP. Stephen ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
Vince [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean Bryant wrote: Andrew Reilly wrote: Does anyone know if there are *any* contemporary graphics cards that have 3D acceleration supported by some flavour of open-source x.org? Doesn't have to be a super-fast 'leet gamer system to be better than a non-accelerated frame buffer. I never thought I'd actually recommend it but The Intel 82945GM controller in my laptop has semi ok 3d acceleration. I'm running the experimental xorg 7.2.r3 server with beryl and its running quite nicely. output of glinfo below if anyones interested. The performance doesnt compare to the nvidia drivers on my desktop at home but it does its job, wouldnt want to game on it though. Depends on the game. I'm also quite satisfied with the intel i915/i945 graphics. If I had to buy a new laptop right now, that would be my preference. The 3D acceleration is fast enough to play OpenGL games such as ports/games/crack-attack smoothly at full-screen resolution. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Here's the email address of AMD's president: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Give him your two cents. already did, i use AMD Athlon64 processors, but none of it's graphics cards ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
On Behalf Of fred Sean Bryant a écrit : Try the 'vesa' xorg driver. It may not be fancy or all that accelerated but it works quite well. I have an nvidia card and cannot get it to work for the life of me. the drive attached, but nothing happens after that. It might be the fact that I have a PCI express card. But the vesa driver is working just fine for me. ??? PCI-E GPU are known to work fine. Which GPU do you have ? May be one too old that nvidia does not support anymore ? I don't think there are any PCIe boards that are too old to support. FWIW, I have a Geforce 8800 GTX on my dual boot box and the nVidia driver works mostly. It's still pretty buggy (although this is on 7-Current, so it's hard to tell if it's the driver's fault or FreeBSDs), but it's good enough for day to day stuff (just don't play too many movies or start up too many OpenGL apps, and don't try to return to the console). On the other hand, the latest nVidia drivers for this card are buggy in Windows too, so maybe it is their fault. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 11:55:20AM -0400, Sean Bryant wrote: ... Try the 'vesa' xorg driver. It may not be fancy or all that accelerated but it works quite well. I have an nvidia card and cannot get it to work for the life of me. the drive attached, but nothing happens after that. It might be the fact that I have a PCI express card. But the vesa driver is working just fine for me. On a Thinkpad T60p, using the vesa driver using GLGears, I get a little better than 30fps at 1600x1200x32 on a 15 display. Good enough for me. -- Louis KowolowskiKE7BAX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cryptomonkeys: http://www.cryptomonkeys.com/~louisk Warning: Do not point laser at remaining eye! pgpUf8CLKMcY7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Oliver Fromme wrote: Vince [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean Bryant wrote: Andrew Reilly wrote: Does anyone know if there are *any* contemporary graphics cards that have 3D acceleration supported by some flavour of open-source x.org? Doesn't have to be a super-fast 'leet gamer system to be better than a non-accelerated frame buffer. I never thought I'd actually recommend it but The Intel 82945GM controller in my laptop has semi ok 3d acceleration. I'm running the experimental xorg 7.2.r3 server with beryl and its running quite nicely. output of glinfo below if anyones interested. The performance doesnt compare to the nvidia drivers on my desktop at home but it does its job, wouldnt want to game on it though. Depends on the game. I'm also quite satisfied with the intel i915/i945 graphics. If I had to buy a new laptop right now, that would be my preference. The 3D acceleration is fast enough to play OpenGL games such as ports/games/crack-attack smoothly at full-screen resolution. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. Intel's graphics line is ramping up too, so although the quality won't be as good as nVidia / ATI, it will continue to improve within the next couple years. -Garrett ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xorg and ATI card query.
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 23:21, David Malone wrote: I then tried to get a newer version working, but the fglrx_drv.so from newer ATI releases are linked against a whole bunch of crud (libstdc++, libgcc_s, ). I tried fudging the linker to make it load the FreeBSD versions of these, which got me a bit further, but the Linux versions of these libraries were too different for me to be able to get them to work. I think this is what I saw. Such a PITA :( So much for the platform independent promise of the driver architecture. The drivers for xorg 6.8.0 looked a little more promising as they weren't linked against so many other libraries. However, I gave up before building a 6.8.0 server and used the vesa driver. Heh, I wouldn't mind VESA except my LCD monitor's native resolution is 1680x1050 and I can't get X to do it. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C pgpTpuGRGHMn5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:58:34 -0500 Nikolas Britton wrote: We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Brilliant. Let's destroy years of good will with AMD, a company that has been very good about supporting open source and providing good documentation for their products. Let's hound them about something that is probably not under their control, since they don't own all of the IP in the ATI products, just as nVidia doesn't own everything it sells. This is the kind of thing that turns people and companies away from open source. Here's the email address of AMD's president: deleted Quite acting like a child. Would you like it if someone posted your email address publicly like this to be harvested for spam and useless zealotry? -- shannon | There are nowadays professors of philosophy, but not | philosophers. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 11:55:20AM -0400, Sean Bryant wrote: Try the 'vesa' xorg driver. It may not be fancy or all that accelerated but it works quite well. I have an nvidia card and cannot get it to work for the life of me. the drive attached, but nothing happens after that. It might be the fact that I have a PCI express card. But the vesa driver is working just fine for me. I have tried the vesa driver. Indeed I re-use it sometimes when I power-cycle the computer, because one of the quirks of the nv driver is that it doesn't seem to be able to put the card into a state where it actually displays a useful or stable image. Once the vesa driver has that sorted out, though, the nv driver seems to work reliably for me, and seems to be slightly faster, thanks (I think) to some 2D acceleration. Other things the nv driver won't do for me: power control of the monitor from screen-saver, and ability to drive my display at its rated 1600x1200 resolution (logs claim that it's restricted to 1280x1024 by BIOS, whatever that means...) I don't think that the vesa driver can do either of those either, though. Cheers, -- Andrew ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xorg and ATI card query.
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:40:07 + Yann Golanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] mentioned: I have an ATI Radeon X1950 Sapphire and I am trying to get X/FreeBSD working with it. My system is a clean install of FreBSD. I've managed to get VESA to work but cannot get much more than that. fglrx gives me an error at compile time since I do not have /usr/X11R6/bin/moc installed. Would an install of Xorg 7 be useful here? What else can I try? I know I could use Linux and the ATI drivers but I'd rather use FreeBSD if possible. FreeBSD nightwatch.neverness.org 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 11:05:30 UTC 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 Find attached the dmesg, xorg.conf and /var/log/xorg.0.log files. If anyone wants more information let me know. I am happy to beta-test software to get this to work. AFAIK, opensource Xorg ati drivers doesn't work with anything beyond x1800. flgrx is only linux binary, however, so you couldn't use it for FreeBSD. -- Stanislav Sedov ST4096-RIPE pgpUWYOFF10xP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Xorg and ATI card query.
Stanislav Sedov wrote: AFAIK, opensource Xorg ati drivers doesn't work with anything beyond x1800. That would be x800. No x1k and problems with onboard video. -- ./lxnt ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xorg and ATI card query.
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 07:21, Stanislav Sedov wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:40:07 + AFAIK, opensource Xorg ati drivers doesn't work with anything beyond x1800. flgrx is only linux binary, however, so you couldn't use it for FreeBSD. Actually.. http://www.fglrx-freebsd.com/index.php Unfortunately there is no amd64 version and I lack the clue to make one. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C pgp12D5gpejcU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Xorg and ATI card query.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 08:03:33PM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: On Tuesday 13 March 2007 07:21, Stanislav Sedov wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:40:07 + AFAIK, opensource Xorg ati drivers doesn't work with anything beyond x1800. flgrx is only linux binary, however, so you couldn't use it for FreeBSD. Actually.. http://www.fglrx-freebsd.com/index.php Unfortunately there is no amd64 version and I lack the clue to make one. I looked at this last week. I have an amd64 Dell machine with an X1300 card. I did manage to get the flgrx 8.23.7 Linux amd64 driver to load as a driver in the FreeBSD version of X - basically I downloaded the Linux version, extracted the archive, grabbed the fglrx_drv.so file and put it in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers and then told X to load it. It seemed to be working, but was too old to support a X1300 card. I suspect it would work OK with less recent cards. I then tried to get a newer version working, but the fglrx_drv.so from newer ATI releases are linked against a whole bunch of crud (libstdc++, libgcc_s, ). I tried fudging the linker to make it load the FreeBSD versions of these, which got me a bit further, but the Linux versions of these libraries were too different for me to be able to get them to work. The drivers for xorg 6.8.0 looked a little more promising as they weren't linked against so many other libraries. However, I gave up before building a 6.8.0 server and used the vesa driver. David. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Here's the email address of AMD's president: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Give him your two cents. On 3/12/07, Daniel O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 13 March 2007 05:10, Yann Golanski wrote: I have an ATI Radeon X1950 Sapphire and I am trying to get X/FreeBSD working with it. My system is a clean install of FreBSD. I've managed to get VESA to work but cannot get much more than that. There is no open source support for this card (alas). It's VESA or fglrx. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 02:58:34PM -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Here's the email address of AMD's president: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Give him your two cents. Boycotting their hardware due to lack-of public developer docs is extreme but justified. Everyone has the right to do that if they desire. But in my opinion, mailing the president of AMD is really not the way to go about this. That methodology invites angry people sending him flames, which does nothing but destroy the image of a mature, reliable open-source community. Besides, chances are it's not Meyer who's making these decisions (re: proprietary hardware / NDA-only documentation), but a few select individuals at ATI who are fuelled off of paranoia (the most common defence being fear nVidia/other competitors will steal their technology). Really sounds like the decision of a legal dept. and not a CEO. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networkinghttp://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
On 3/13/07, Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 02:58:34PM -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Here's the email address of AMD's president: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Give him your two cents. Boycotting their hardware due to lack-of public developer docs is extreme but justified. Everyone has the right to do that if they desire. But in my opinion, mailing the president of AMD is really not the way to go about this. That methodology invites angry people sending him flames, which does nothing but destroy the image of a mature, reliable open-source community. Besides, chances are it's not Meyer who's making these decisions (re: proprietary hardware / NDA-only documentation), but a few select individuals at ATI who are fuelled off of paranoia (the most common defence being fear nVidia/other competitors will steal their technology). Really sounds like the decision of a legal dept. and not a CEO. Right, flaming never helps, but then I don't think the intention was to have anyone flame, 'raising awareness' is a better goal :) AMD has people that work on Linux (I interviewed with them some years back), maybe using that route to get to the decision makers? Cheers, Jack ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
On Mar 13, 2007, at 16:33 , Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 02:58:34PM -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Besides, chances are it's not Meyer who's making these decisions (re: proprietary hardware / NDA-only documentation), but a few select individuals at ATI who are fuelled off of paranoia (the most common defence being fear nVidia/other competitors will steal their technology). Really sounds like the decision of a legal dept. and not a CEO. Hounding on AMD won't help right now regardless; they're still finding out what kind of mess they've acquired, making changes to it is a long way off. :) -- brandon s. allbery [solaris,freebsd,perl,pugs,haskell] [EMAIL PROTECTED] system administrator [openafs,heimdal,too many hats] [EMAIL PROTECTED] electrical and computer engineering, carnegie mellon university KF8NH ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
Please be very careful. The only real alternative (Intel comes and goes) is Nvidia whose driver is binary-only for i386 (no amd64 support) and has a history for being notoriously buggy. I only buy ATI because of the problems I keep seeing people have with the Nvidia driver. I have a friend who has basically abandoned his dual-head Nvidia card due to recurring issues. -Kip On 3/13/07, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Here's the email address of AMD's president: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Give him your two cents. On 3/12/07, Daniel O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 13 March 2007 05:10, Yann Golanski wrote: I have an ATI Radeon X1950 Sapphire and I am trying to get X/FreeBSD working with it. My system is a clean install of FreBSD. I've managed to get VESA to work but cannot get much more than that. There is no open source support for this card (alas). It's VESA or fglrx. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
Kip Macy writes: | Please be very careful. The only real alternative (Intel comes and | goes) is Nvidia whose driver is binary-only for i386 (no amd64 | support) and has a history for being notoriously buggy. I only buy ATI | because of the problems I keep seeing people have with the Nvidia | driver. I have a friend who has basically abandoned his dual-head | Nvidia card due to recurring issues. One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :-( I was a fan of ati since it was easier to get support. Now I'm starting to lean towards Nvidia :-( Doug A. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Doug Ambrisko wrote: Kip Macy writes: | Please be very careful. The only real alternative (Intel comes and | goes) is Nvidia whose driver is binary-only for i386 (no amd64 | support) and has a history for being notoriously buggy. I only buy ATI | because of the problems I keep seeing people have with the Nvidia | driver. I have a friend who has basically abandoned his dual-head | Nvidia card due to recurring issues. One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :-( I was a fan of ati since it was easier to get support. Now I'm starting to lean towards Nvidia :-( I used to find nvidia drivers very buggy, but the recent drivers have greatly impressed me. Stephen ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
Kip Macy a écrit : Please be very careful. The only real alternative (Intel comes and goes) is Nvidia whose driver is binary-only for i386 (no amd64 support) and has a history for being notoriously buggy. I only buy ATI because of the problems I keep seeing people have with the Nvidia driver. I have a friend who has basically abandoned his dual-head Nvidia card due to recurring issues. Hmm... I abandoned ATI GPU because of notoriously buggy issues. I have no problem with my nvidia GPUs (even in dualhead, at the time I tried it). Cheers, -- http://scipy.org/FredericPetit ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
Please be very careful. The only real alternative (Intel comes and goes) is Nvidia whose driver is binary-only for i386 (no amd64 support) and has a history for being notoriously buggy. I only buy ATI because of the problems I keep seeing people have with the Nvidia driver. I have a friend who has basically abandoned his dual-head Nvidia card due to recurring issues. Hmm... I abandoned ATI GPU because of notoriously buggy issues. I have no problem with my nvidia GPUs (even in dualhead, at the time I tried it). Good data point. I'm not taking sides. What dual head card are you using? I'm ordering the parts for a shuttle box now - if Nvidia works better I'll go with it. -Kip ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) Doug Ambrisko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :-( I was a fan of ati since it was easier to get support. Now I'm starting to lean towards Nvidia :-( Does anyone know if there are *any* contemporary graphics cards that have 3D acceleration supported by some flavour of open-source x.org? Doesn't have to be a super-fast 'leet gamer system to be better than a non-accelerated frame buffer. Matrox used to have a reputation for goodness (I used to have a G400 or the like), but it's been a long time... (I'm currently using a lowish-end NVidia card under the x.org nv driver, but it has issues (of which no 3D accel is but one...) Cheers, -- Andrew ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
On 3/13/07, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Here's the email address of AMD's president: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Give him your two cents. On 3/12/07, Daniel O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 13 March 2007 05:10, Yann Golanski wrote: I have an ATI Radeon X1950 Sapphire and I am trying to get X/FreeBSD working with it. My system is a clean install of FreBSD. I've managed to get VESA to work but cannot get much more than that. There is no open source support for this card (alas). It's VESA or fglrx. Since AMD/ATI doesn't make a native driver for FreeBSD, I only buy notebooks with nvidia, and I told my friends about this. We as FreeBSD users could write about this in our blogs and pages, which will widespread the word about the driver issues in better way, as long as more users aware of this, this will force AMD/ATI to look into the issue deeper, and work it out. This would be better than emailing the AMD CEO IMHO. -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xorg and ATI card query.
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 05:10, Yann Golanski wrote: I have an ATI Radeon X1950 Sapphire and I am trying to get X/FreeBSD working with it. My system is a clean install of FreBSD. I've managed to get VESA to work but cannot get much more than that. There is no open source support for this card (alas). It's VESA or fglrx. fglrx gives me an error at compile time since I do not have /usr/X11R6/bin/moc installed. Is this using the FreeBSD port at http://www.fglrx-freebsd.com/index.php? If so you could just install moc which is part of qt. AFAIK it only needs moc to build some support tools. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C pgppEj3bQHl4r.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Xorg and ATI card query.
Daniel O'Connor writes: | On Tuesday 13 March 2007 05:10, Yann Golanski wrote: | I have an ATI Radeon X1950 Sapphire and I am trying to get X/FreeBSD | working with it. My system is a clean install of FreBSD. I've managed to | get VESA to work but cannot get much more than that. | | There is no open source support for this card (alas). It's VESA or fglrx. | | fglrx gives me an error at compile time since I do not have | /usr/X11R6/bin/moc installed. | | Is this using the FreeBSD port at http://www.fglrx-freebsd.com/index.php? If | so you could just install moc which is part of qt. FWIW, I just went through this exercise for my new laptop. Vesa doesn't do 1920x1200 :-( and it isn't on amd64 :-( So I wanted to use the Linux fglrx. The one that he is to old to support my laptop. Realize that he does compile some misc. tools they are not needed for X to work. Really he is taking the Linux X drivers (fglxrc_drv.o libfglrxdrm.a) and putting them into /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers. The caveat is that you need an old enough version that doesn't link against Linux specific things like pthreads etc. which the newest ones do. Another caveat is that the older versions were built again X.org 6.8 so then you need an X.org of the version. In 6.9 some structures changed leading to a core dump :-( I ended up building my own X.org 6.8, install and then install the typical -current X stuff. The next thing I'm going to work on is to get the 32bit X server to run on a 64bit kernel so I can switch over to 64bit. Doug A. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
