Re: [Freedos-devel] re: Microsoft source code

[Johnson Lam]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:54:50 +0100 (MET), you wrote:

Hi,

>our lower manpower should be enough. And of course this project is a challenge
>and fun. Just writing a new Makefile for MS Sources would be a VERY boring way
>to "clone" MS DOS functionality!

IMHO, if the Freedos' programs more superior, smarter and better than
M$. Then they can't accuse you coders by "stealing their code".


Rgds,
Johnson.

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[Freedos-devel] re: Microsoft source code

[Eric Auer]

Hi, I fully agree - do not look at MS sources. Otherwise you risk legal
problems like "your stuff is only compatible because you stole the code!".

I hear that most of MS DOS 6.00 (not the 3rd party things) and 3.30 are
"out there". And this new thing which seems to unzip to 0.6 - 2 GB of
code from WinNT and Win2000. Well. If I want to steal MS DOS then I would
just download the binary, obviously. This is FreeDOS and supposed to stay
free. Including FREE FROM LICENSE TROUBLES. We are even careful not to
let original DR-DOS code into FreeDOS because their license is too unfree.

DOS is very old. No reason why we would have to steal to write programs which
can do the same or even better more than ten years later. Sure MS has more
money, but if we have a lack of time, we can simply lower the priority of
extra stuff like BWBasic and focus on core functionality of DOS. For that,
our lower manpower should be enough. And of course this project is a challenge
and fun. Just writing a new Makefile for MS Sources would be a VERY boring way
to "clone" MS DOS functionality!

That said, we MIGHT eventually start working on Windows 3 compatibility...
but even that should be possible to reasonable extend with using only publicly
available free information. So I agree: DO NOT LOOK at those MS sources.

Eric.



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[Freedos-devel] Microsoft source code

[Jim Hall]

I hope I don't start a flame war on this.

Thought I'd fwd this note that I found on the Groklaw site, usually a 
good resource for legal issues dealing with Free and Open Source Software.

You've probably all seen by now that (part of) the source code to 
Microsoft's WindowsNT and Windows2000 has been leaked.  If you do a P2P 
search, you can probably find it.  However, it would be a good idea if 
you contribute to FreeDOS to *not* look at the Windows source code, or 
even download it.

The note from Groklaw:


Original Article:You probably heard that Slashdot has a story that there may have been a massive leak of code from Windows 2000 and NT. Microsoft denies it.

Groklaw normally doesn't report rumors, but in this case, it seems appropriate to say something early. If there is such a leak, I hope nobody looks at this code. Not one peek.

Here's why, taken from Franklin Pierce's "Copyright for Computer Authors" by Thomas G. Field, Jr. on avoiding copyright infringement:

"As discussed earlier, copyright gives owners the exclusive right, for example, to reproduce protected subject matter (such things as ideas and facts being excluded). Sometimes a question arises as to whether a second, similar work was copied or independently created. If the person creating a second work had access to the original work and the works are virtually identical, copying is likely to be presumed even if the chance of access is remote." 

Anyone looking at this code could bring to an end any opportunity to contribute to FOSS [Free and Open Source Software  -jh] software in the future. 


We've actually addressed this issue before.  Some years ago, the source 
code to MS-DOS was leaked.  For a while, I would get about an email a 
week from people (who probably thought they were being helpful) asking 
if I wanted access to the Microsoft code.  I have always said "no", 
because having access to the MS-DOS source code could compromise my work 
in FreeDOS.  We have a FAQ about the topic, here:

http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/faq/cgi-bin/viewfaq.cgi?faq=General_Information/12

This applies equally well to the Windows source code.  Don't look.

Thanks.

-jh

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Re: [Freedos-devel] PG 1.08 binary online

[maintainer freedospg]

 --- Jim Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 的郵件內容：>
Thanks.  Since this includes changes, I guess I
> shouldn't consider this 
> an "official" release by BAHCL, so I won't mirror it
> on ibiblio. 
> However, I will update the news item on FreeDOS.org
> to point to Eric's 
> binary-included distribution of PG.
> 
> -jh

Hi Jim,

PG version 1.08 creates enough inconvenience to all
people here.  Sorry!

1. This month I got suspicious to my email system with
mails from unknown senders, probably unknown viruses,
I am not sure my system is infected, and I am aware
that viruses may reside in executable files stored in
a zipfile.

2. PG 1.08 requires post-install setup to access its
manual and plugins, those paths were unknown to me, I
made it possible to be preset in pg.h / pg.c / by
cloning. That is why a source only version.

3. The GNU GPL is still an unsettled matter, I know
nothing about the significance of the recent debat. A
source only version illustrates what FreeDOS has to do
to fill the gap. Besides, an ex-FreeDOS utility
employed after PG's normal compilation does cripple
certain feature.

4. Sometimes I think programmers put all burdens upon
their shoulders to save users' problems. Can't it be
more constructive that users also advance their skill
to get the most from our softwares?

Perhaps I sound idiotic and ridiculous, but I ought to
express my reasons for a source only version.

Again, thanks to Eric efforts!

regards,
BAHCL



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Re: [Freedos-devel] Re:Eric's idea to put "PG binaries online"

[Luchezar Georgiev]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:12:19 -0600, Jim Hall wrote:

Indeed, I can't understand why he doesn't want to include binaries?
Well, I've sometimes done that in the past, too, so I can't be too critical of BAHCL.  Binaries aren't strictly required by the GNU GPL, and if web space is a problem, I can understand not including them.
I see! Well, I can only say "shame on me" now, because as I now see, I didn't include binaries for my UNSPIS (http://linux.tu-varna.acad.bg/~lig/unspis/) unarchiver too! The reason of course was that it's multi-platform (DOS, Unix, etc), and for Unix that would be impossible (flavor? version?). So, sorry for being too critical of him...

Lucho

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Re: [Freedos-devel] Re:Eric's idea to put "PG binaries online"

[Jim Hall]

Luchezar Georgiev wrote:
Hi,

This "written offer" requirement is really scaring indeed. Does the GPL 
say that it must be signed and stamped by a notary? Or passed through 
the United Nations Security Council? ;-)

Just joking, of course - please don't take the above sentences seriously!
:-)

BTW, email "written offer" is fine.


But including the source with the binaries would be preferable.
Of course, and even better - the binaries with the source! ;-)

Perhaps BAHCL would accept the binaries, and post them on his site?
Indeed, I can't understand why he doesn't want to include binaries?
Well, I've sometimes done that in the past, too, so I can't be too 
critical of BAHCL.  Binaries aren't strictly required by the GNU GPL, 
and if web space is a problem, I can understand not including them.

-jh



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Re: [Freedos-devel] PG 1.08 binary online

[Jim Hall]

Thanks.  Since this includes changes, I guess I shouldn't consider this 
an "official" release by BAHCL, so I won't mirror it on ibiblio. 
However, I will update the news item on FreeDOS.org to point to Eric's 
binary-included distribution of PG.

-jh



Eric Auer wrote:
Hi, I re-packaged PG 1.08 in FreeDOS package style (standard directory
tree) and added a binary. Please check my changes to PG.MAK and PG.H to
make this possible. In particular, I removed the pathspec for the plugin
and manpage directories. Bad thing, because functions will just fail
SILENTLY if plugins and/or pg.man are not found!
I recommend that PG 1.09 should assume that the plugins are in PATH
and that the pg.man file is in the same directory as the pg,exe binary
- both of those can be detected at run-time dynamically. Note that some
functions like "hex view" are case sensitive (you press H, not h).
My current "solution" is just to comment out the pathspecs, so plugins
and help work only if they are in the current directory when you run PG!
Eric.


http://www.coli.uni-sb.de/~eric/stuff/soft/by-others/ pg108x.zip


PS: I used UPX --8086 to shrink the binary from 19k to 12k (not the
plugins, they are < 1k anyway... could be made PART of the binary, less files!)


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[Freedos-devel] program additions WAS: Last "Hello"!

[Kenneth J. Davis]

>From: Eric Auer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [Freedos-devel] re: Last "Hello"!
>Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:47:10 +0100 (MET)
>
..
>I do not know why none of them made it into the FreeDOS distro. I think
>the Basic interpreter written in Pascal and the text editors and com <-> exe
>are interesting, and for those who do have a good Basic interpreter (do not
>know how good the ones by Sandul are) the pile of other Basic things is worth
>looking at. Nothing for the BASE category but things for the EDITOR and TOOLS
>and COMPILERS category. Maybe Sandul only checked beta9rc4 which only contains
>BASE packages.
..

The reason that none are include is really simple:
my lack of time (you may have noticed I kinda disapeared for
a while), so when I finally did have the time, I could no
longer get to his site to download them.  I did briefly
look through them, and as Eric mentioned, none really belong
in BASE, so it simply is not at the top of my priorities.
Even now you will notice that editors (which I really don't
want to expand, how many text editors do we really need?),
utils (where most of them probably would go), etc. have not
been updated in an extremely long time.

Right now Bernd is doing a great job with the BASE set
and I have other items I would rather do (actual coding
instead of downloading and rezipping).  If someone else
happened to download the items and wants to send me
(via email in a zip preferrably) the ones they feel are
useful to the general FreeDOS community then I will try
to make time to update the UTIL* set next weekend.
*I mean a full update, not just add these programs.

As for his attitude, I think it is impolite, and tends to
make one not wish to include his work; but I prefer
technical not political stuff, so if they are worth
including (and I don't recall any particular requests
besides from him to include them), then they will be added.

Also to anyone wanting anything added to FreeDOS:
- one, the distribution roughly follows the LSM list
  as maintained by Jim.  Some differences occur (and
  more so in the future) based on the maturity of the
  program [yeah yeah, not so working programs will be
  relegated to source only] or license reasons 
  (programs for personal use only, shareware, without
  source, etc. tend to be ommitted).
- second and most importantly, provide prebuilt packages,
  so all that has to be done is download and edit the
  the list of packages to include it.  Jim just recently
  provided blank example packages and if you look (I
  forget where) the package layout is well documented.
- FreeDOS is free, so if the official distribution does
  not suite you, make your own! or better yet help!
  If people volunteered we could have each set with its
  own maintainer keeping them updated, or some sort
  of cooperative assistance (such as Bernd and I sorta
  do -- well, he does all the work now :-)

Anyway, back to actual programming and watching T.V.

Jeremy




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[Freedos-devel] PG 1.08 binary online

[Eric Auer]

Hi, I re-packaged PG 1.08 in FreeDOS package style (standard directory
tree) and added a binary. Please check my changes to PG.MAK and PG.H to
make this possible. In particular, I removed the pathspec for the plugin
and manpage directories. Bad thing, because functions will just fail
SILENTLY if plugins and/or pg.man are not found!
I recommend that PG 1.09 should assume that the plugins are in PATH
and that the pg.man file is in the same directory as the pg,exe binary
- both of those can be detected at run-time dynamically. Note that some
functions like "hex view" are case sensitive (you press H, not h).
My current "solution" is just to comment out the pathspecs, so plugins
and help work only if they are in the current directory when you run PG!

Eric.

> http://www.coli.uni-sb.de/~eric/stuff/soft/by-others/ pg108x.zip

PS: I used UPX --8086 to shrink the binary from 19k to 12k (not the
plugins, they are < 1k anyway... could be made PART of the binary, less files!)



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Re: [Freedos-devel] drive detection problems using atapicdd

[Arkady V.Belousov]

Hi!

15-Фев-2004 14:22 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Hall) wrote to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

>> KJD> please run atapichk.exe from
>>  More precise URL, please.
JH> Binary is here:

 Thank you, I already sent report to Keneth.




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Re: [Freedos-devel] Re:Eric's idea to put "PG binaries online"

[Luchezar Georgiev]

Hi,

This "written offer" requirement is really scaring indeed. Does the GPL say that it must be signed and stamped by a notary? Or passed through the United Nations Security Council? ;-)

Just joking, of course - please don't take the above sentences seriously!

But including the source with the binaries would be preferable.
Of course, and even better - the binaries with the source! ;-)

Perhaps BAHCL would accept the binaries, and post them on his site?
Indeed, I can't understand why he doesn't want to include binaries?

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Re: [Freedos-devel] re: Last "Hello"!

[Luchezar Georgiev]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:47:10 +0100 (MET), Eric Auer wrote:

... Go all you to the devil mothers, and wake for ever accursed that you have
vote against including my programs in FreeDOS new distribution program!
By the way: I do not remember a voting process but even then: Democracy can
suck if people vote against you.
What democracy are you talking about? There is no voting system for FreeDOS, and democracy doesn't mean only voting. Let's refrain from using so widely abused words as this one, however wonderful.

Shit happens. But who knows, maybe people do
vote for some of your programs now and just overlooked them completely in 2003.
Not that your politeness would improve your software's popularity, though.
Well, now he has no chances at all :-( I was amazed to see that this crazy and shepherdly-swearing maniac can be a programmer! If the list was moderated, things like these could not penetrate here. But couldn't some automatic word censorship be established at least?

It was disgusting to read this thing, indeed :-(

Lucho

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Re: [Freedos-devel] Please mirror the ODIN.720 image - to be removed

[Kenneth J. Davis]

It is mirrored to ibiblio and the odin.fdos mirror site.
(I download it a while back, but forgot to upload it :-)

Jeremy




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Re: [Freedos-devel] Re:Eric's idea to put "PG binaries online"

[Jim Hall]

>  --- Eric Auer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>：> 
> 
> 
>>Eric.
>>
>>PS: I would like to have some PG binaries online,
>>too. If nobody else wants
>>to provide some, I could do so, but I am not sure if
>>BAHCL is okay with this!?
>>

This is okay under the GNU GPL, provided the PG binaries are distributed
in a manner that meets section 3 of the GPL:

>   3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it,
> under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of
> Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:
> 
> a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable
> source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections
> 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,
> 
> b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three
> years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your
> cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete
> machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be
> distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium
> customarily used for software interchange; or,
> 
> c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer
> to distribute corresponding source code.  (This alternative is
> allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you
> received the program in object code or executable form with such
> an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)


IANAL, but I believe (c) does not apply, since it requires (b) to have
happened first (usually, this is a program distributed with a book, or
other similar distribution.)

Basically, the source code to PG would have to be included with the
binaries.

As an alternative, you may (under certain conditions) provide a URL to
the source code instead of distributing the source code with the
binaries.  You must have an agreement in place with the maintainer of
that URL to make the source code available for 5yrs.  I don't know if
http://www.geocities.com/freedos_pg (being a Geocities site) will be
here in 5yrs (the site may move, for example) but I can guarantee the
ibiblio site.  Eric may include the URL
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/file/pg108.zip
in a Readme file instead of including the source, if he so chooses.

But including the source with the binaries would be preferable.  Perhaps
BAHCL would accept the binaries, and post them on his site?


Just wanted to make sure the GPL was observed if we're going to
distribute a binary-only PG.


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Re: [Freedos-devel] re: Last "Hello"!

[maintainer freedospg]

Hi,

I am innocent, I joined this mailing list recently,
and
I am cursed too! My program (the Program CABinet) was
not enlisted either!

BAHCL


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Re: [Freedos-devel] Please mirror the ODIN.720 image - to be removed

[Steve Nickolas]

At Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:47am +0200, Luchezar Georgiev wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Let me remind that the first 720 KB ODIN image I uploaded at
> http://linux.tu-varna.acad.bg/~lig/freedos/ODIN.720 wouldn't work on
> 8086/88 processors but required at least a NEC V20 or 80186/188 because
> I forgot the --8086 UPX option when compressing the files there. So I
> re-created it, this time using the --8086 UPX option, re-uploaded it at
> the same place and it then has proven to work for an 80C88 user. Steve,
> please mirror this image, because in a couple of days I'm going to
> remove it from the server to free some room for the beginning semester
> in the university. This removal will be made silently and without any
> further notice. Sorry and thanks for understanding!

OK...

-uso.



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[Freedos-devel] re: Last "Hello"!

[Eric Auer]

Hi all, if you have been wondering why and why curses us:
It is Sandul Yura who has offered us 6 FreePascal and 25 Q-Basic
programs on first of November. We had the problem that there is
no Q-Basic for FreeDOS but I do not remember what was wrong with
the Pascal programs.
Programs were: ANSI sequences editor and viewer, Basic interpreter,
com <-> exe converter, file splitter, com to bat/bas (?), crc32,
des, dialog system, text editor, data / hex file converter, line
break normalizer, phone book, picture editor, "utility" (all-in-one
calculator, calendar, screen saver, ukrainian/russian stuff), square
root demo, uuencode/uudecode, a Basic interpreter written in Pascal,
FreePascal text editor (32bit). And finally in C: exe <-> com converter,
text viewer with ANSI interpreter, color editor, a file/fcb library,
a sketch of a C compiler.

I do not know why none of them made it into the FreeDOS distro. I think
the Basic interpreter written in Pascal and the text editors and com <-> exe
are interesting, and for those who do have a good Basic interpreter (do not
know how good the ones by Sandul are) the pile of other Basic things is worth
looking at. Nothing for the BASE category but things for the EDITOR and TOOLS
and COMPILERS category. Maybe Sandul only checked beta9rc4 which only contains
BASE packages.



> ... Go all you to the devil mothers, and wake for ever accursed that you have
> vote against including my programs in FreeDOS new distribution program!

By the way: I do not remember a voting process but even then: Democracy can
suck if people vote against you. Shit happens. But who knows, maybe people do
vote for some of your programs now and just overlooked them completely in 2003.
Not that your politeness would improve your software's popularity, though.

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Re: [Freedos-devel] compiling Freedos

[Steffen Kaiser]

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, Luchezar Georgiev wrote:

> > I'm not sure if this has been answered before, but is it beter to
> > compile the kernel & freecom under borland c or djgpp?
>
> About FreeCOM: Let its author answer (he knows much better than me ;-)

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/freedos/freecom/docs/compile.txt?rev=1.11&only_with_tag=MAIN&view=auto

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[Freedos-devel] Last "Hello"!

[Юр?й Сандул]

Fuck you all, donkeys, asses, bitchs and curs!
Please sorry for my bad knowing of the english language...
Go all you to the devil mothers, and wake for ever accursed that you have vote 
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Re: [Freedos-devel] Re:Eric's idea to put "PG binaries online"

[maintainer freedospg]

 --- tom ehlert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 的郵件內容：>
Hello maintainer,
> 
> >> PS: I would like to have some PG binaries online,
> >> too. If nobody else wants
> >> to provide some, I could do so, but I am not sure
> if
> >> BAHCL is okay with this!?
> >> 
> 
> mf> those PG binaries will be covered by the GNU GPL
> mf> version 2, and will have a link to the PG
> website.
> 
> there's nothing in the GPL that requires a link to
> your website.
Hello Tom,
I never asked for a link to my personal website,
I regard www.geocities.com/freedos_pg is a channel
to provide information about PG to its user.  That's
all!

> 
> If for some idiotic reasons you don't provide a
> binary, you have to
> live with some other people, distibuting the
> binaries, and not
> pointing to you (as long as they give you a chance
> to get the source
> as well)
> 
> tom
That's your own opinion, I have no comment.
 
BAHCL


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[Freedos-devel] Please mirror the ODIN.720 image - to be removed

[Luchezar Georgiev]

Hello,

Let me remind that the first 720 KB ODIN image I uploaded at http://linux.tu-varna.acad.bg/~lig/freedos/ODIN.720 wouldn't work on 8086/88 processors but required at least a NEC V20 or 80186/188 because I forgot the --8086 UPX option when compressing the files there. So I re-created it, this time using the --8086 UPX option, re-uploaded it at the same place and it then has proven to work for an 80C88 user. Steve, please mirror this image, because in a couple of days I'm going to remove it from the server to free some room for the beginning semester in the university. This removal will be made silently and without any further notice. Sorry and thanks for understanding!

Lucho

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Re: [Freedos-devel] PG 1.08 no binary inside ZIP archive!!

[Johnson Lam]

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:09:11 +0200, you wrote:

Hi Lucho,

>I don't think that users should be forced to compile themselves. This is a 
>source-only extremism, which is a result of the GPL-RULEZ extremism led to an 
>extremum. GPL allows binary distribution as long as the source is included or 
>offered. So please let's not try to turn users into programmers!

Thanks.

If distributing binary is allowed. I think it's better to include the
binary, because user may have different environment that causing
trouble during compilation.


Rgds,
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Re: [Freedos-devel] Some help to setup Turbo C 2.01 and NASM 0.98.38

[Johnson Lam]

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:54:25 +0800 (CST), you wrote:

Hi,

I've compiled the binary, thanks for setting up the batch file.

I think learning is good, I don't mind to learn more. But I don't
think the others have the interest or can spend time to learn how to
use Turbo C. Also another problem is developers use different tools
like FLAT assembler, DJPGG ... we're unable to learn all of them.

I do agree with you, as a user move a step ahead is necessary. But for
compiling a program is not simply "a single step".

Thanks for the batch file, with it, I can do it in a "a single step"
:-)

>I uploaded a batch file "setuptc.bat" to the PG
>website
>www.geocities.com/freedos_pg


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Re: [Freedos-devel] Re:Eric's idea to put "PG binaries online"

[tom ehlert]

Hello maintainer,

>> PS: I would like to have some PG binaries online,
>> too. If nobody else wants
>> to provide some, I could do so, but I am not sure if
>> BAHCL is okay with this!?
>> 

mf> those PG binaries will be covered by the GNU GPL
mf> version 2, and will have a link to the PG website.

there's nothing in the GPL that requires a link to your website.

If for some idiotic reasons you don't provide a binary, you have to
live with some other people, distibuting the binaries, and not
pointing to you (as long as they give you a chance to get the source
as well)

tom




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