Re: [Freedos-devel] ODIN update comments.
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:52:06 -0500, you wrote: Hi Paul, I definitely agree with that ... I've had good luck with Sony drives also. Ah ... yes, I forgot the good old Sony (with a blue label on bottom) If you are using DVD-R/CD-R media name brand media is best ... Kodak makes some archival quality media that really good but a bit $$. Kodak no more in production. The 700MB Kodak (short strategy) is not good one, I still have 2 pcs original 650MB Kodak which can stand 100 year (Kodak claim) I use a good brand media (TDK personally) and make multiple copies at medium burn rates and then do a CRC check on the files afterwards. So far my 5 year old CD-R disks are readable, though I should move the data to DVD now that the disks are reasonable. I check with 'cdridentifier.exe' or 'burnatonce', the 700MB TDK short strategy also, only Mitsubishi have real 'AZO', but we have fake Mitsubishi here also. Storage is still an issue with CD-R DVD-R ... temperature humidity can cause issues with the dye used in these disks. I wonder DVD-R reliable or not ... also did DVD writer have DOS driver? Rgds, Johnson. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] ODIN update comments.
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:01:23 -0400, you wrote: Hi Adam, Thanks for feedback, I want to making a list sorting out the brand, OS and other info. But now I got a bit busy, so I'll temporary put the list on my homepage with users feedback for reference. Rgds, Johnson. = Running format 91r in Win2K with a usb floppy drive, I formatted a disk fine, although on two disks in a row it said there were 3 bad sectors in the last 10% of the disk. Took the disk to a computer w/ XP and saved a file to it, put it in the usb drive, and it shows the disk in use size increased, but show there are no files on it. Put it in another 2k machine with internal drive, and it shows the file there. ECS External USB Floppy drive, U-Fdd, model # uf1 --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] ODIN update comments.
On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 03:52, Johnson Lam wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:35:06 -0500, you wrote: Hi Paul, It's a sony USB floppy drive I use because my Windows 2000 laptop only has one drive bay and I use the CD and floppy pretty often. I don't think it's a Windows 2000 issue with the 1.68mb format, but that the controller in the USB drive does not reconize it properly. Seems the USB firmware on some drive can't read non-standard format ... I feel a bit like the USB-HDD DOS driver issue, some chipset work but not all I used to use the format for cramming a few more utilities on boot floppies. Since I only use the floppy for making boot floppies and transferring data to non-networked DOS systems at work I just stopped using the format. That means 1440K works fine on USB but 1680K fail on USB. Did you try using the floppy drive bay to read 1680K? Did it work? Yes my laptop will read 1.68MB if I put in the floppy in the bay. I checked Sony's site for the drive (MPF82e) in question and could not find any updated firmware for it and the manual says it only supports 720KB 1440KB PC Mac formats. They do have a Win2K driver for it, but I nerver installed it since it reconnized it at my B floppy the first time I plugged it in. Regards, Paul --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] ODIN update comments.
On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 07:47, Johnson Lam wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:50:06 +, you wrote: Hi BAHCL, Thank you! Most of my 1.44 diskettes became unreadable no matter how well I kept them. Hong Kong Humidity too high, also low quality FDD drive will damage the disk, use only PAN--ONIC or TEA-, better than MITSU-- I definitely agree with that ... I've had good luck with Sony drives also. I think older drives where in general built better and held alignmnet better, also using a head cleaning diskette can help on either very low use or high use drives. Possibly the material coating got oxidized as time goes by. All backups are gone forever! Use MAXE-- together will anti-humidity jar or box. Also don't store serious data on floppy, use CD-ROM or DVD-ROM instead. If you are using DVD-R/CD-R media name brand media is best ... Kodak makes some archival quality media that really good but a bit $$. I use a good brand media (TDK personally) and make multiple copies at medium burn rates and then do a CRC check on the files afterwards. So far my 5 year old CD-R disks are readable, though I should move the data to DVD now that the disks are reasonable. Storage is still an issue with CD-R DVD-R ... temperature humidity can cause issues with the dye used in these disks. Regards, Paul --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] ODIN update comments.
Hi, Thanks for sharing your experiences. Hong Kong Humidity too high, also low quality FDD drive will damage the disk, use only PAN--ONIC or TEA-, better than MITSU-- I definitely agree with that ... I've had good luck with Sony drives also. I think older drives where in general built better and held alignmnet better, also using a head cleaning diskette can help on either very low use or high use drives. Possibly the material coating got oxidized as time goes by. All backups are gone forever! Use MAXE-- together will anti-humidity jar or box. Also don't store serious data on floppy, use CD-ROM or DVD-ROM instead. If you are using DVD-R/CD-R media name brand media is best ... Kodak makes some archival quality media that really good but a bit $$. I use a good brand media (TDK personally) and make multiple copies at medium burn rates and then do a CRC check on the files afterwards. So far my 5 year old CD-R disks are readable, though I should move the data to DVD now that the disks are reasonable. Storage is still an issue with CD-R DVD-R ... temperature humidity can cause issues with the dye used in these disks. Regards, Paul CD-R was not a popular storage media in the '90s, and not financially attainable to most user. Now, I prefer using the USB flash disk, but no driver for DOS user, I'm sure the sales will boost if manufactures are willing to release technical details of a USB DOS driver. BAHCL _ Hotmail Extra Storage10MB http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=zh-hk --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] ODIN update comments.
Hi Johnson, From: Johnson Lam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] ODIN update comments. Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:34:41 +0800 On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:54:07 -0400, you wrote: Hi Uso, I think, whatever of base you can cram into 1.44 MB, that's basically what I did. ;) I've been testing 1.68MB format for a long time, its quite stable. If someone 1.44MB ODIN full you go for 1.68MB ODIN. Rgds, Johnson. Would you tell me what brand you're using? How long you have been using? How stable? Does it develops bad sectors or become unreadable over time? And how much? BAHCL _ ! 4! http://go.msnserver.com/HK/49935.asp --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] ODIN update comments.
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 11:11:23 +, you wrote: Hi, Would you tell me what brand you're using? Maxe-- How long you have been using? Since FORMAT 0.91g How stable? Copy from/to Windows OS Does it develops bad sectors or become unreadable over time? Over several months without bad sectors or unreadable around 4 or 5 PC 1) IBM (Penitum II and notebook) 2) COMPAQ (P III and P 120) 3) No Brand (AMD K6-III and AthlonXP x 2) And how much? Cheap disc, around US 7 (approx.) Rgds, Johnson. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] ODIN update comments.
At 01:32 AM 8/14/2004, you wrote: On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:38:23 -0500, you wrote: Hi Paul, I've had issues reading 1.68MB under windows on a USB floppy drive, it always wants to format because it thinks it's unformatted. Which version of Windows are you using? I've tested it on Win98, WinNT4.0, Win2K and WinXP but I don't have USB floppy drive to test. We need somebody's help to test more non-standard format on USB drive. Rgds, Johnson. Running format 91r in Win2K with a usb floppy drive, I formatted a disk fine, although on two disks in a row it said there were 3 bad sectors in the last 10% of the disk. Took the disk to a computer w/ XP and saved a file to it, put it in the usb drive, and it shows the disk in use size increased, but show there are no files on it. Put it in another 2k machine with internal drive, and it shows the file there. ECS External USB Floppy drive, U-Fdd, model # uf1 --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] ODIN update comments.
On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 00:32, Johnson Lam wrote: On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:38:23 -0500, you wrote: Hi Paul, I've had issues reading 1.68MB under windows on a USB floppy drive, it always wants to format because it thinks it's unformatted. Which version of Windows are you using? I've tested it on Win98, WinNT4.0, Win2K and WinXP but I don't have USB floppy drive to test. We need somebody's help to test more non-standard format on USB drive. It's a sony USB floppy drive I use because my Windows 2000 laptop only has one drive bay and I use the CD and floppy pretty often. I don't think it's a Windows 2000 issue with the 1.68mb format, but that the controller in the USB drive does not reconize it properly. I used to use the format for cramming a few more utilities on boot floppies. Since I only use the floppy for making boot floppies and transferring data to non-networked DOS systems at work I just stopped using the format. Regards, Paul --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] ODIN update comments.
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:54:07 -0400, you wrote: Hi Uso, I think, whatever of base you can cram into 1.44 MB, that's basically what I did. ;) I've been testing 1.68MB format for a long time, its quite stable. If someone 1.44MB ODIN full you go for 1.68MB ODIN. Rgds, Johnson. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] ODIN update comments.
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:34:41 +0800, you wrote: (Sorry, my head go wrong and writing ability crippled ...) Hi Uso, I think, whatever of base you can cram into 1.44 MB, that's basically what I did. ;) I keep testing the 1.68MB format since 0.9f, it's very stable, none of my disks (MA brand) have error. If someday your 1.44MB ODIN reach it's capacity you can go for 1.68MB. Rgds, Johnson. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] ODIN update comments.
Hi! 12--2004 18:57 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernd Blaauw) wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: BB warning though: I'm using Arkady's (Lucho compiled it) kernel as kernel.sys. BB FDconfig.sys (sample script to point user to the fact that (s)he must BB create a own (individual) config.sys/autoexec.bat): BB set helppath=a:\ BB SWITCHES=/F /N BB MENUCOLOR=7,0 BB MENUDEFAULT=0,2 BB MENU You are running without loading any bootup configuration files. BB echo Edit config.sys [EDIT A:\CONFIG.SYS] autoexec.bat [EDIT A:\AUTOEXEC.BAT] BB echo files on this disk so they contain your specific settings BB echo then delete file fdconfig.sys [DEL A:\FDCONFIG.SYS] BB 0?shell=command.com /P /D - my kernel not stops, when there is only one menu entry. Here only one choice (0) and this forces adding CONFIG=0 into environment. - MENU line doesn't affect anything (here), so (here) MENU may be easily replaced by ECHO with same success. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] ODIN update comments.
Arkady V.Belousov schreef: BB set helppath=a:\ BB SWITCHES=/F /N BB MENUCOLOR=7,0 BB MENUDEFAULT=0,2 BB MENU You are running without loading any bootup configuration files. BB echo Edit config.sys [EDIT A:\CONFIG.SYS] autoexec.bat [EDIT A:\AUTOEXEC.BAT] BB echo files on this disk so they contain your specific settings BB echo then delete file fdconfig.sys [DEL A:\FDCONFIG.SYS] BB 0?shell=command.com /P /D - my kernel not stops, when there is only one menu entry. Here only one choice (0) and this forces adding CONFIG=0 into environment. - MENU line doesn't affect anything (here), so (here) MENU may be easily replaced by ECHO with same success. Hi Arkady, Then I'll change this. Official kernel 2035 plus this fdconfig.sys allowed me to show the You are running without.. text 2 seconds, and then the Edit config.sys [... lines on screen (after the timeout) I'll consider your suggestions. Bernd --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] ODIN update comments.
Hi! 13--2004 16:50 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernd Blaauw) wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: BB MENUDEFAULT=0,2 BB MENU You are running without loading any bootup configuration files. BB echo Edit config.sys [EDIT A:\CONFIG.SYS] autoexec.bat [EDIT A:\AUTOEXEC.BAT] BB 0?shell=command.com /P /D - my kernel not stops, when there is only one menu entry. Here only one choice (0) and this forces adding CONFIG=0 into environment. BB Then I'll change this. BB Official kernel 2035 plus this fdconfig.sys allowed me to show the You BB are running without.. text 2 seconds, Then add 1 - 01?shell= --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] ODIN update comments.
On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 02:34, Johnson Lam wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:54:07 -0400, you wrote: Hi Uso, I think, whatever of base you can cram into 1.44 MB, that's basically what I did. ;) I've been testing 1.68MB format for a long time, its quite stable. If someone 1.44MB ODIN full you go for 1.68MB ODIN. I've had issues reading 1.68MB under windows on a USB floppy drive, it always wants to format because it thinks it's unformatted. Regards, Paul --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] ODIN update comments.
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:38:23 -0500, you wrote: Hi Paul, I've had issues reading 1.68MB under windows on a USB floppy drive, it always wants to format because it thinks it's unformatted. Which version of Windows are you using? I've tested it on Win98, WinNT4.0, Win2K and WinXP but I don't have USB floppy drive to test. We need somebody's help to test more non-standard format on USB drive. Rgds, Johnson. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
[Freedos-devel] ODIN update comments.
Hello Steve, others, I'd like some comments on files which should be added, or which are outdated, to the ODIN (One Disk INstaller) bootdisk. Per suggestion of Eric I've uploaded a list of all present files. http://fdos.org/ripcord/beta9-final/addon/odinlist.txt and the disk-image if you need to look at the utilities themselves (version, size, date, whatever): http://fdos.org/ripcord/beta9-final/addon/fdodin71.img warning though: I'm using Arkady's (Lucho compiled it) kernel as kernel.sys. Official fat32-enabled kernel is present as kernel35.sys FDconfig.sys (sample script to point user to the fact that (s)he must create a own (individual) config.sys/autoexec.bat): set helppath=a:\ SWITCHES=/F /N MENUCOLOR=7,0 MENUDEFAULT=0,2 MENU You are running without loading any bootup configuration files. echo Edit config.sys [EDIT A:\CONFIG.SYS] autoexec.bat [EDIT A:\AUTOEXEC.BAT] echo files on this disk so they contain your specific settings echo then delete file fdconfig.sys [DEL A:\FDCONFIG.SYS] 0?shell=command.com /P /D sourcecode for files can be found on www.freedos.org :) any comments/hints/suggestions/improvements welcome! Bernd --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] ODIN update comments.
Bernd Blaauw wrote: Hello Steve, others, I'd like some comments on files which should be added, or which are outdated, to the ODIN (One Disk INstaller) bootdisk. Per suggestion of Eric I've uploaded a list of all present files. http://fdos.org/ripcord/beta9-final/addon/odinlist.txt and the disk-image if you need to look at the utilities themselves (version, size, date, whatever): http://fdos.org/ripcord/beta9-final/addon/fdodin71.img warning though: I'm using Arkady's (Lucho compiled it) kernel as kernel.sys. Official fat32-enabled kernel is present as kernel35.sys No big deal, I used to use some forked tools myself. I think, whatever of base you can cram into 1.44 MB, that's basically what I did. ;) -uso. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
