Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

[Roberto Mariottini]

Hi,

Blair Campbell wrote:
> both are not correct, as the second one would need to be prefixed with SET to 
> work correctly.

The source of the confusion is that PATH is both a command and an 
environment variable. The PATH command sets the PATH environment 
variable, but nothing prevents you from setting the variable with the 
SET command (apart from the different command line length limit).

IIRC when command.com parses the command line the first non-filename 
character is used to separate the command name from the command line 
(the space character is one of them), so the character = after PATH will 
break the command from the command line and will be put on the command 
line. The PATH command ignores an = at the start of the path list so you 
get the "PATH=something" syntax working. Other characters get the same 
result (for example "PATH,something") and other are put in front of the 
path list (like "PATH;something").

Supporting the generic VAR=VALUE assignment (meaning SET VAR=VALUE) 
could break old programs that use the = character for special meaning on 
the command line (such as old linkers and librarian utilities).

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[Freedos-user] Clear-up

[Johnson Lam]

On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:41:21 +0300, you wrote:

Hi,

> Q-drivers are positioned by their author as opposition for FreeDOS
>project and its contributors, because authors thinks we all are "NAZI".

This is not true, a single word different means millions of mis-understanding.

1) The author don't want the binary host in FreeDOS server

2) He addressed SOME of the developers, not ALL

Please don't involved in "not-friends then enemies" thinking logic.
A large grey areas lies between.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Install FreeDOS on most WindowsXP Computers - updated ISO and Procedure

[Mark Bailey]

Not at all.  mytempdir is quite slow.  If you can provide
another site, I can upload them tomorrow.

Mark

Johnson Lam wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:48:00 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> I have updated my procedure and bootable CD for installing
>> FreeDOS on almost any WindowsXP computer.  You can install
>> FreeDOS beside WindowsXP without damaging the WindowsXP
>> installation.
> 
> Great!
> 
>> The download links will be valid for three weeks.
>>
>> The ISO image is available at
>>
>> http://www.mytempdir.com/1086884
>>
>> and contains a PDF file of the procedure.  If you would
>> like the PDF procedure file, you can get it from
>>
>> http://www.mytempdir.com/1086915
> 
> Do you mind I mirror them?
> 
>> I would appreciate feedback from anyone who uses the procedure
>> so that I can improve it.  All of my computers boot both WindowsXP
>> and DOS!  I can do this in under ten minutes - it will take
>> you a bit longer the first time.
> 
> Thanks for your effort.
> I'll try to report if there's any problem, so far it didn't have any problem
> for me.
> 
> 
> Rgds,
> Johnson.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Install FreeDOS on most WindowsXP Computers - updated ISO and Procedure

[Johnson Lam]

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:48:00 -0500, you wrote:

Hi,

>I have updated my procedure and bootable CD for installing
>FreeDOS on almost any WindowsXP computer.  You can install
>FreeDOS beside WindowsXP without damaging the WindowsXP
>installation.

Great!

>The download links will be valid for three weeks.
>
>The ISO image is available at
>
>http://www.mytempdir.com/1086884
>
>and contains a PDF file of the procedure.  If you would
>like the PDF procedure file, you can get it from
>
>http://www.mytempdir.com/1086915

Do you mind I mirror them?

>I would appreciate feedback from anyone who uses the procedure
>so that I can improve it.  All of my computers boot both WindowsXP
>and DOS!  I can do this in under ten minutes - it will take
>you a bit longer the first time.

Thanks for your effort.
I'll try to report if there's any problem, so far it didn't have any problem
for me.


Rgds,
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Re: [Freedos-user] LBACACHE, QCACHE & STACKS=9,512

[Johnson Lam]

On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:43:14 +0100, you wrote:

Hi,

>How about licensing? Is qxumbpci GPL/open source?

Free and closed-source (sorry).

>If it is closed source it may give you better performance, but you
>risk that the program may be abandoned and no-one to be able to take
>it back.

Correct.


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Re: [Freedos-user] use smb with freedos or nfs

[Blair Campbell]

There's also another one called XFS (not to be confused with the
file-system) and probably some more.  XFS IIRC was distributed with
old versions of SuSE Linux.

On 11/27/06, Sylvain Lavoie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
>  >I know no NFS drivers for DOS, but there
>
> Actually, there is such a thing as a DOS NFS client!  It's old but it
> works.  I'm using Tsoft's NFS Client 1.02.  It uses the WatTCP TCP/IP
> stack.  Check this site to download a trial copy:
>
> http://www.rawbandwidth.com/software/nfs/download.html
>
> All you need is a DOS packet driver for your network card.
>
> I use it with a Linux server.  After the directory is exported on the
> Linux server, load the nfs client on the DOS machine, mount the
> directory  as a drive letter and your good to go.
>
> If you need configuration help, I'll be glad to help.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] use smb with freedos or nfs

[Sylvain Lavoie]

Hello,

 >I know no NFS drivers for DOS, but there

Actually, there is such a thing as a DOS NFS client!  It's old but it 
works.  I'm using Tsoft's NFS Client 1.02.  It uses the WatTCP TCP/IP 
stack.  Check this site to download a trial copy:

http://www.rawbandwidth.com/software/nfs/download.html

All you need is a DOS packet driver for your network card.

I use it with a Linux server.  After the directory is exported on the 
Linux server, load the nfs client on the DOS machine, mount the 
directory  as a drive letter and your good to go.

If you need configuration help, I'll be glad to help.

Sylvain



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Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

[Arkady V.Belousov]

Hi!

27-Ноя-2006 14:26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:

>> >> BC> So who is for making HELLO=blah equal to SET HELLO=blah in FreeCOM?
>>  I see no reasons for this (this not adds required/used functionality),
>> especially this will eat extra memory for additional parsing code and may
BC> 3 extra lines in the source code.  Hardly eating extra memory.

 Ok, but I anyway see no reasons.

>> PS: Blair, when you answer about using string instructions in callint()?
BC> It's fine the way it is.

 Ie., you think, readability for callint() is more important than size
and I shouldn't worry?

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Re: [Freedos-user] LBACACHE, QCACHE & STACKS=9,512

[Arkady V.Belousov]

Hi!

27-Ноя-2006 09:29 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lester) wrote to
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:

>> How about licensing? Is qxumbpci GPL/open source?
>> If it is closed source it may give you better performance, but you
>> risk that the program may be abandoned and no-one to be able to take
>> it back.
L> I assume this message is directed to FreeDos official SourceForge project
L> managers,

 Q-drivers are positioned by their author as opposition for FreeDOS
project and its contributors, because authors thinks we all are "NAZI".

L> but I will put in my two cents what I think about all this as
L> just an end user.
L> I don't even know what GPL stands for and I wouldn't care less. All what

 You should, or you lost. For example, FreeDOS was developed from
scratch, because there was no initial base, which was may be used (MS-DOS is
commercial, proprietary, closed source solution). _If_ MS-DOS was GPLed,
then we was may have FreeDOS twenty years earlier.

L> A driver getting abandoned is an inconvenience to be expected from any
L> free software.

 Of course. But open-sourced software may intercepted/forked/supported
by other peoples, whereas for closed source software this is impossible. For
example, OpenWatcom is hosted by SciTech, but most/all changes/evolutions,
starting from version 1.0, was contributions...

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Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

[Blair Campbell]

On 11/27/06, Arkady V.Belousov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> 27-Ноя-2006 13:14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:
>
> >> BC> So who is for making HELLO=blah equal to SET HELLO=blah in FreeCOM?
> >>  Where you see this? Lester was just ask if this possible or not. No
> one
> >> was discuss adding support for this (except that Eric suggest, that this
> >> feature doesn't supported by current shells).
> BC> I'm asking now.  I never said that anyone else suggested it.
>
>  I see no reasons for this (this not adds required/used functionality),
> especially this will eat extra memory for additional parsing code and may

3 extra lines in the source code.  Hardly eating extra memory.

> introduce incompatibilities into existing parser (which anyway is too
> complex).
>
> >> BC> And according to POSIX, %PWD% is supposed to be set to the current
> >>  If this will be internal function/variable, which will not eat space
> in
> >> environment - why not?
> BC> POSIX says that it should be an environment variable accessable to all
> BC> programs.
>
>  After all, DOS isn't POSIX system and DOS programs don't use/need extra
> garbage in environment. This may be useful _only_ to ease porting sources of
> unix programs to DOS, but there exist more elegant solutions (ie., for these
> programs should be used library/startup, which will modify environment
> statically or on the fly as need - similarly, as many compilers include
> wildargs.obj, which emulate wild characters expansion by shell).
>
> BC> But AFAIK, things like CDPATH are allowed to be internal
> BC> variables.
>
>  Of course.
>
> PS: Blair, when you answer about using string instructions in callint()?

It's fine the way it is.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

[Arkady V.Belousov]

Hi!

27-Ноя-2006 13:14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:

>> BC> So who is for making HELLO=blah equal to SET HELLO=blah in FreeCOM?
>>  Where you see this? Lester was just ask if this possible or not. No one
>> was discuss adding support for this (except that Eric suggest, that this
>> feature doesn't supported by current shells).
BC> I'm asking now.  I never said that anyone else suggested it.

 I see no reasons for this (this not adds required/used functionality),
especially this will eat extra memory for additional parsing code and may
introduce incompatibilities into existing parser (which anyway is too complex).

>> BC> And according to POSIX, %PWD% is supposed to be set to the current
>>  If this will be internal function/variable, which will not eat space in
>> environment - why not?
BC> POSIX says that it should be an environment variable accessable to all
BC> programs.

 After all, DOS isn't POSIX system and DOS programs don't use/need extra
garbage in environment. This may be useful _only_ to ease porting sources of
unix programs to DOS, but there exist more elegant solutions (ie., for these
programs should be used library/startup, which will modify environment
statically or on the fly as need - similarly, as many compilers include
wildargs.obj, which emulate wild characters expansion by shell).

BC> But AFAIK, things like CDPATH are allowed to be internal
BC> variables.

 Of course.

PS: Blair, when you answer about using string instructions in callint()?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

[Blair Campbell]

Well, the source code's already been written, but I'd like a few more
people's OK :-).

On 11/27/06, Florian Xaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I like the idea. Sounds very practical.
>
> Bye
>   Flo
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:33:10 +0100, Blair Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Any particular reason?
> >
> > On 11/27/06, Florian Xaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> No.
> >>
> >> Bye Flo
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:57:21 +0100, Blair Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > So who is for making HELLO=blah equal to SET HELLO=blah in FreeCOM?
> >> > And according to POSIX, %PWD% is supposed to be set to the current
> >> > directory by CD.  Is anyone against adding these features?
> >> >
> >> > On 11/27/06, Arkady V.Belousov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> Hi!
> >> >>
> >> >> 27-Ноя-2006 11:38 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to
> >> >> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:
> >> >>
> >> >> BC> Well I don't understand why PATH=blah blah would be accepted but
> >> >> BC> HELLO=blah blah wouldn't work.
> >> >> >> >> L> PATH %DOSDIR%\BIN
> >> >> >> >> L> PATH=%DOSDIR%\BIN
> >> >> >>  Both are accepted by MS-command.com and FreeCom. Which other
> >> >> criteria
> >> >> >> for "correct" here you offer?
> >> >>
> >> >>  Who says about "HELLO="? We discuss "PATH " and "PATH=".
> >> >>
> >> >> PS: As I understand, this is another bug/feature, like "cd.." and
> >> >> "echo.".
> >> >>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

[Florian Xaver]

I like the idea. Sounds very practical.

Bye
  Flo


On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:33:10 +0100, Blair Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> Any particular reason?
>
> On 11/27/06, Florian Xaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> No.
>>
>> Bye Flo
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:57:21 +0100, Blair Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > So who is for making HELLO=blah equal to SET HELLO=blah in FreeCOM?
>> > And according to POSIX, %PWD% is supposed to be set to the current
>> > directory by CD.  Is anyone against adding these features?
>> >
>> > On 11/27/06, Arkady V.Belousov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> Hi!
>> >>
>> >> 27-Ноя-2006 11:38 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to
>> >> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:
>> >>
>> >> BC> Well I don't understand why PATH=blah blah would be accepted but
>> >> BC> HELLO=blah blah wouldn't work.
>> >> >> >> L> PATH %DOSDIR%\BIN
>> >> >> >> L> PATH=%DOSDIR%\BIN
>> >> >>  Both are accepted by MS-command.com and FreeCom. Which other
>> >> criteria
>> >> >> for "correct" here you offer?
>> >>
>> >>  Who says about "HELLO="? We discuss "PATH " and "PATH=".
>> >>
>> >> PS: As I understand, this is another bug/feature, like "cd.." and
>> >> "echo.".
>> >>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

[Blair Campbell]

Any particular reason?

On 11/27/06, Florian Xaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No.
>
> Bye Flo
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:57:21 +0100, Blair Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > So who is for making HELLO=blah equal to SET HELLO=blah in FreeCOM?
> > And according to POSIX, %PWD% is supposed to be set to the current
> > directory by CD.  Is anyone against adding these features?
> >
> > On 11/27/06, Arkady V.Belousov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >> 27-Ноя-2006 11:38 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to
> >> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:
> >>
> >> BC> Well I don't understand why PATH=blah blah would be accepted but
> >> BC> HELLO=blah blah wouldn't work.
> >> >> >> L> PATH %DOSDIR%\BIN
> >> >> >> L> PATH=%DOSDIR%\BIN
> >> >>  Both are accepted by MS-command.com and FreeCom. Which other
> >> criteria
> >> >> for "correct" here you offer?
> >>
> >>  Who says about "HELLO="? We discuss "PATH " and "PATH=".
> >>
> >> PS: As I understand, this is another bug/feature, like "cd.." and
> >> "echo.".
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Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

[Florian Xaver]

No.

Bye Flo


On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:57:21 +0100, Blair Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> So who is for making HELLO=blah equal to SET HELLO=blah in FreeCOM?
> And according to POSIX, %PWD% is supposed to be set to the current
> directory by CD.  Is anyone against adding these features?
>
> On 11/27/06, Arkady V.Belousov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> 27-Ноя-2006 11:38 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to
>> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:
>>
>> BC> Well I don't understand why PATH=blah blah would be accepted but
>> BC> HELLO=blah blah wouldn't work.
>> >> >> L> PATH %DOSDIR%\BIN
>> >> >> L> PATH=%DOSDIR%\BIN
>> >>  Both are accepted by MS-command.com and FreeCom. Which other
>> criteria
>> >> for "correct" here you offer?
>>
>>  Who says about "HELLO="? We discuss "PATH " and "PATH=".
>>
>> PS: As I understand, this is another bug/feature, like "cd.." and  
>> "echo.".
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Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

[Blair Campbell]

On 11/27/06, Arkady V.Belousov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> 27-Ноя-2006 12:57 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:
>
> >>  Who says about "HELLO="? We discuss "PATH " and "PATH=".
> >> PS: As I understand, this is another bug/feature, like "cd.." and
> "echo.".
> BC> So who is for making HELLO=blah equal to SET HELLO=blah in FreeCOM?
>
>  Where you see this? Lester was just ask if this possible or not. No one
> was discuss adding support for this (except that Eric suggest, that this
> feature doesn't supported by current shells).

I'm asking now.  I never said that anyone else suggested it.
>
> BC> And according to POSIX, %PWD% is supposed to be set to the current
> BC> directory by CD.  Is anyone against adding these features?
>
>  If this will be internal function/variable, which will not eat space in
> environment - why not?

POSIX says that it should be an environment variable accessable to all
programs.  But AFAIK, things like CDPATH are allowed to be internal
variables.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

[Arkady V.Belousov]

Hi!

27-Ноя-2006 12:57 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:

>>  Who says about "HELLO="? We discuss "PATH " and "PATH=".
>> PS: As I understand, this is another bug/feature, like "cd.." and "echo.".
BC> So who is for making HELLO=blah equal to SET HELLO=blah in FreeCOM?

 Where you see this? Lester was just ask if this possible or not. No one
was discuss adding support for this (except that Eric suggest, that this
feature doesn't supported by current shells).

BC> And according to POSIX, %PWD% is supposed to be set to the current
BC> directory by CD.  Is anyone against adding these features?

 If this will be internal function/variable, which will not eat space in
environment - why not?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

[Blair Campbell]

So who is for making HELLO=blah equal to SET HELLO=blah in FreeCOM?
And according to POSIX, %PWD% is supposed to be set to the current
directory by CD.  Is anyone against adding these features?

On 11/27/06, Arkady V.Belousov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> 27-Ноя-2006 11:38 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:
>
> BC> Well I don't understand why PATH=blah blah would be accepted but
> BC> HELLO=blah blah wouldn't work.
> >> >> L> PATH %DOSDIR%\BIN
> >> >> L> PATH=%DOSDIR%\BIN
> >>  Both are accepted by MS-command.com and FreeCom. Which other
> criteria
> >> for "correct" here you offer?
>
>  Who says about "HELLO="? We discuss "PATH " and "PATH=".
>
> PS: As I understand, this is another bug/feature, like "cd.." and "echo.".
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] use smb with freedos or nfs

[Florian Xaver]

But a DOS player would be much nicer... ;-)

btw: Some BIOS version have "Legacy Sound" option, which provides SB16  
compatiblity. MPXPLAY also supports some modern cards AND have support of  
networks (ask the author!!).

Bye
  Flo

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:14:53 +0100, Eric Auer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Hi Samuel,
>
> short answer is yes, you can use DOS to create a networked
> music player on a PC with a modern soundcard, but no, you
> cannot get all your wishes implemented for free :-).
>
>> Is it possible to install freedos on a 266 mhz pII ibm thinkpad laptop
>> with a wifi network card (pcmcia) and play music over smb or nfs with
>> my crystal something sound card? Or is it simply not possible because
>> freedos have no multitasking (?) or there are no driver for my sound
>> card or wifi card.
>
> Probably the latter. I think somewhere in the WIKI or FAQ there is
> a list of three very old PCMCIA WIFI cards which come with DOS
> drivers. Ever since then, manufacturers stopped to provide DOS drivers
> for their cards, and WIFI is much harder to support than normal LAN.
>
> However, many common "wired" network cards, in particular PCI and
> onboard ones, do have DOS drivers, for example on crynwr.com :-).
>
> I have no idea if there are "crystal something" "drivers" for
> sound in DOS. Almost all DOS games ONLY support SoundBlaster
> compatible sound cards, and it is almost impossible to change
> that with external drivers. SoundBlaster PCI / Live does it,
> but they create a whole virtual environment for that, and not
> all games can stand that. But luckily you only want to play MUSIC
> and the modern MPXPLAY media player for DOS does contain built-
> in drivers for modern chipsets, including many AC97 compatibles.
>
> Remaining problem is the "network drive letter" one. If your
> server would be DOS, too, you could use the network mode of
> our SHSUCD driver suite to mount a remote cdrom or cdrom ISO
> file with the music. I know no NFS drivers for DOS, but there
> are clients for FTP / HTTP / mail / news - probably less useful
> for you as you want to have a continuous connection instead of
> downloading music from your server to the player from time to
> time? You could conceivably also use ancient technology like
> INTERLNK or LapLink or the FileMaven link thing, but most of
> those either require a DOS server or cannot be used in the
> background. As you said, DOS is essentially single-tasking, so
> only things which are specifically written as drivers can be
> used in the background. The remaining possibility is SMB/NETBIOS,
> and as a DOS port of SAMBA is probably not ready yet, you would
> have to use the (free but old) MSCLIENT, the microsoft client
> for Windows network/shared drives. It uses a lot of DOS RAM but
> it seems to work okay in FreeDOS apart from that...
>
>> I could install windows 95 but'll have a much longer boot time...
>
> You could use a light version of Linux, or just disable everything
> which is not needed for playing music :-). It will be much easier
> to install compared to configuring all the networking and msclient
> stuff for DOS, but it might be less cool than using DOS ;-).
>
> Eric
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

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Hi!

27-Ноя-2006 11:38 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:

BC> Well I don't understand why PATH=blah blah would be accepted but
BC> HELLO=blah blah wouldn't work.
>> >> L> PATH %DOSDIR%\BIN
>> >> L> PATH=%DOSDIR%\BIN
>>  Both are accepted by MS-command.com and FreeCom. Which other criteria
>> for "correct" here you offer?

 Who says about "HELLO="? We discuss "PATH " and "PATH=".

PS: As I understand, this is another bug/feature, like "cd.." and "echo.".

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Re: [Freedos-user] use smb with freedos or nfs

[Eric Auer]

Hi Samuel,

short answer is yes, you can use DOS to create a networked
music player on a PC with a modern soundcard, but no, you
cannot get all your wishes implemented for free :-).

> Is it possible to install freedos on a 266 mhz pII ibm thinkpad laptop
> with a wifi network card (pcmcia) and play music over smb or nfs with
> my crystal something sound card? Or is it simply not possible because
> freedos have no multitasking (?) or there are no driver for my sound
> card or wifi card.

Probably the latter. I think somewhere in the WIKI or FAQ there is
a list of three very old PCMCIA WIFI cards which come with DOS
drivers. Ever since then, manufacturers stopped to provide DOS drivers
for their cards, and WIFI is much harder to support than normal LAN.

However, many common "wired" network cards, in particular PCI and
onboard ones, do have DOS drivers, for example on crynwr.com :-).

I have no idea if there are "crystal something" "drivers" for
sound in DOS. Almost all DOS games ONLY support SoundBlaster
compatible sound cards, and it is almost impossible to change
that with external drivers. SoundBlaster PCI / Live does it,
but they create a whole virtual environment for that, and not
all games can stand that. But luckily you only want to play MUSIC
and the modern MPXPLAY media player for DOS does contain built-
in drivers for modern chipsets, including many AC97 compatibles.

Remaining problem is the "network drive letter" one. If your
server would be DOS, too, you could use the network mode of
our SHSUCD driver suite to mount a remote cdrom or cdrom ISO
file with the music. I know no NFS drivers for DOS, but there
are clients for FTP / HTTP / mail / news - probably less useful
for you as you want to have a continuous connection instead of
downloading music from your server to the player from time to
time? You could conceivably also use ancient technology like
INTERLNK or LapLink or the FileMaven link thing, but most of
those either require a DOS server or cannot be used in the
background. As you said, DOS is essentially single-tasking, so
only things which are specifically written as drivers can be
used in the background. The remaining possibility is SMB/NETBIOS,
and as a DOS port of SAMBA is probably not ready yet, you would
have to use the (free but old) MSCLIENT, the microsoft client
for Windows network/shared drives. It uses a lot of DOS RAM but
it seems to work okay in FreeDOS apart from that...

> I could install windows 95 but'll have a much longer boot time...

You could use a light version of Linux, or just disable everything
which is not needed for playing music :-). It will be much easier
to install compared to configuring all the networking and msclient
stuff for DOS, but it might be less cool than using DOS ;-).

Eric



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[Freedos-user] use smb with freedos or nfs

[Samuel Skanberg]

Hello

Is it possible to install freedos on a 266 mhz pII ibm thinkpad laptop with a 
wifi network card (pcmcia) and play music over smb or nfs with my crystal 
something sound card? Or is it simply not possible because freedos have no 
multitasking (?) or there are no driver for my sound card or wifi card.

I could install windows 95 but'll have a much longer boot time so that's not 
cool.

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[Freedos-user] Install FreeDOS on most WindowsXP Computers - updated ISO and Procedure

[Mark Bailey]

Good day, everyone:

I have updated my procedure and bootable CD for installing
FreeDOS on almost any WindowsXP computer.  You can install
FreeDOS beside WindowsXP without damaging the WindowsXP
installation.

The key programs are GParted, for shrinking the WindowsXP disk
partition and creating a partition for FreeDOS, and GAG,
for selecting whether to run WindowsXP or FreeDOS.  These
are included on the free CD.  There is also a very stripped
down version of FreeDOS which can be used to install right
from the CD.

The download links will be valid for three weeks.

The ISO image is available at

http://www.mytempdir.com/1086884

and contains a PDF file of the procedure.  If you would
like the PDF procedure file, you can get it from

http://www.mytempdir.com/1086915

I would appreciate feedback from anyone who uses the procedure
so that I can improve it.  All of my computers boot both WindowsXP
and DOS!  I can do this in under ten minutes - it will take
you a bit longer the first time.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

[Blair Campbell]

Well I don't understand why PATH=blah blah would be accepted but
HELLO=blah blah wouldn't work.

On 11/27/06, Arkady V.Belousov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> 27-Ноя-2006 11:16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:
>
> BC> both are not correct, as the second one would need to be prefixed with
> BC> SET to work correctly.
> >> L> PATH %DOSDIR%\BIN
> >> L> PATH=%DOSDIR%\BIN
> >>  Both.
>
>  Both are accepted by MS-command.com and FreeCom. Which other criteria
> for "correct" here you offer?
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Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

[Arkady V.Belousov]

Hi!

27-Ноя-2006 11:16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:

BC> both are not correct, as the second one would need to be prefixed with
BC> SET to work correctly.
>> L> PATH %DOSDIR%\BIN
>> L> PATH=%DOSDIR%\BIN
>>  Both.

 Both are accepted by MS-command.com and FreeCom. Which other criteria
for "correct" here you offer?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

[Blair Campbell]

both are not correct, as the second one would need to be prefixed with
SET to work correctly.

On 11/27/06, Arkady V.Belousov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> 26-Ноя-2006 04:25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lester) wrote to
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:
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> L> Ok, and now, which syntax is correct:
> L> PATH %DOSDIR%\BIN
> L> or
> L> PATH=%DOSDIR%\BIN
>
>  Both.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

[Arkady V.Belousov]

Hi!

26-Ноя-2006 04:25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lester) wrote to
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L> Ok, and now, which syntax is correct:
L> PATH %DOSDIR%\BIN
L> or
L> PATH=%DOSDIR%\BIN

 Both.

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Re: [Freedos-user] LBACACHE, QCACHE & STACKS=9,512

[Eric Auer]

Hi Lester,

only if software is not only free but also open source, it
is possible that other people take care of projects again
which were abandoned for a while. Actually this happened
for several FreeDOS tools before... So we try to put only
open source software in our distro, but from time to time,
we also accept free closed source when there are no open
alternatives. In case of qxumbpci, there is an alternative:
umbpci. Actually qxumbpci is only a small modification of
umbpci, and I do not understand why qxhimem "thinks it
needs qxumbpci" at all. The feature of qxhimem of being
loadable into umbpci UMBs should be possible with any
normal version of umbpci, too :-).

Eric

>> How about licensing? Is qxumbpci GPL/open source?
>> If it is closed source it may give you better performance,
>> but you risk that the program may be abandoned...
> I don't even know what GPL stands for and I wouldn't care less.
> All what I need is the best possible modern version of DOS...
> A driver getting abandoned is an inconvenience to be expected
> from any free software.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Set Command

[Lester]

Here is Eric's comment (sent by private email). I decided to post it here 
because someone else might find it useful as well.

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L: which version of the following commands in Fdauto.bat is correct?

Eric:
- version 1 is correct

- version 2: dos has no way to know that "temp" is not the name of a 
command

- version 3: could conceivably be supported, if it is defined that = 
signs must not be part of command names. However, no command.com that i 
know of does support this syntax yet

version #1:

SET DOSDIR=D:\FDOS
SET NLSDIR=%DOSDIR%\NLS
SET HELPPATH=%DOSDIR%\HELP
SET PATH=%DOSDIR%\BIN
SET TEMP=E:\TEMP
SET TMP=E:\TEMP
SET DIRCMD=/P /OG /A

version #2:

DOSDIR D:\FDOS
NLSDIR %DOSDIR%\NLS
HELPPATH %DOSDIR%\HELP
PATH %DOSDIR%\BIN
TEMP E:\TEMP
TMP E:\TEMP
DIRCMD /P /OG /A

version #3:

DOSDIR=D:\FDOS
NLSDIR=%DOSDIR%\NLS
HELPPATH=%DOSDIR%\HELP
PATH=%DOSDIR%\BIN
TEMP=E:\TEMP
TMP=E:\TEMP
DIRCMD=/P /OG /A

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Re: [Freedos-user] LBACACHE, QCACHE & STACKS=9,512

[Lester]

> Aitor Santamaría:
> 
> How about licensing? Is qxumbpci GPL/open source?
> 
> If it is closed source it may give you better performance, but you
> risk that the program may be abandoned and no-one to be able to take
> it back.

I assume this message is directed to FreeDos official SourceForge project 
managers, but I will put in my two cents what I think about all this as 
just an end user.

I don't even know what GPL stands for and I wouldn't care less. All what 
I need is the best possible modern version of DOS, which from what I see 
by occasionally following some other DOS forums, FreeDos probably is.

A driver getting abandoned is an inconvenience to be expected from any 
free software.

Just my few cents, I don't mean to argue with anyone. I'm just an end 
user, I love playing with dos in my spare time because it's starts so 
fast and it's easy to understand compared with other os-es and because 
years back my first pc had dos on it so there is an element of sentiment 
to it.

Of course project managers must follow certain rules so may be qxumbpci 
can not be included in the official distro but there is nothing wrong 
with discussing it on this forum (I hope).

Have a great day, everyone,

Lester


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