Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS for Large Scale Storage?

2008-11-16 Thread Eric Auer

Hi!

> Thanks for responding... If you wish you can respond
> to some questions I've inserted into the message.

Hmmm those were hard to find, tricky quoting... ;-)
Which disk size, performance and redundancy do you want?

> Eric Auer-3 wrote:

Why Auer-3 by the way?

 processors [typically 400-500mHz], using a RAID card
>>> >and making some large storage
>>>Only hardware RAID supported (RAID card) but not software
>>>RAID.

> What cards do you tend to favor  [Old PCI bus, Driver...]

I just checked - all PCI SATA RAID controllers on the
Alternate.de (also available for other EU countries)
shop either give very basic functionality or are in
fact hardware assisted software RAID which will not
work in DOS anyway... For IDE, only RAID 0/1/0+1 and
(according to users) bad software RAID controllers
are still sold. In addition, IDE disks are only sold
for max 500 GB  while you can buy 1.5 TB SATA now...

Maybe getting a used high end hardware RAID PCI card
would be okay, after all using K6 is recycling, too?

>> [I'm wondering when they make a whole RAID system
>> that fits in the 5-1/4" bay(s).]

Dunno, but with 1.5TB available as single 3.5 disk,
why would you need RAID anyway? For redundancy you
need at least 3 disks and I wonder whether THAT can
fit into two 5.25 bays at all ;-). Maybe it can...

>> Please point out a few of those Linux distros.  If I use
>> Linux, I tend to wish to have some assurance that the
>> system isn't going to be hacked into.  It takes a long
>> time to re-install LINUX.  If I was using something as
>> small as DOS then, ideally, I could check all the files
>> checksum quick, and if necessary re-install rather
>> quickly also.

Well as extreme example you could use a live CD distro
which you can repair simply by rebooting ;-). Also it
does not HAVE to take long to re-install Linux and it
depends a lot on how you maintain your Linux how safe
it is... I mean for example with Ubuntu I think when
I enable automatic updates, use good passwords and do
not enable unused services for access from outside I
would say it should stay safe enough automatically...

You can also lock down the system by mounting partitions
read-only, making files immutable, disable module/driver
loads after boot (via global capability flags) or at all
(use a kernel without module loading system) etc etc :-)
I guess some specialized distros for NAS, router, print
server and similar are already setup for safety anyway.

>> Please suggest some sellers that support RAID 5, or
>> at least 1, that are of a reasonable price.

RAID 5: Intel Entry Storage System SS4200-E would be 500
Euro but supports 4 SATA, 4 USB plus 2 eSATA disks and
as said above RAID 5 in DOS might be unavailable anyway.
You can also try QNAP TS-409: 430 Euro, only 4 disks.

RAID 1: Apart from a few weird solutions (use NAS with
the disk of your PC as almost-RAID-1 etc) it seems that
RAID 1 starts around 200 Euro. Example would be the QNAP
TS-201, but I get the impression that the TS-209 (250 to
350 Euro depending on variant) is much better... The 201
has no nfs, ssh, sql, sftp, ipfilter for example. QNAP
seems to be basic, but if you avoid their most simple
products, quality seems to be sufficient, dunno :-).

Embedded NAS devices such as the QNAP stuff also support
a pile of services: uPnP, http, https, ftp, SMB (windows
net drives), iTunes, and depending on the model also lpr,
nfs, dynDNS, active dir auth, downloads (you can power
off the PC while the NAS downloads for you), SQL, PHP...
Try to implement all THAT with a DOS computer ;-). Note:
TS-209 hardware is simple - 128 MB, 500 MHz, 8 MB ROM.

Note: I never bought or used any NAS myself, only browsed
Alternate.de / QNAP page / some reviews for you and me :-)

Eric

PS: www.qnap.com/images/products/comparison/Comparison_NAS.html




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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS for Large Scale Storage?

2008-11-16 Thread gdmellott


Hi Eric,

  Thanks again for responding.

  The only RAID cards I can find that will work is the Adaptec 2400A

  Here is one for sale used.  May go cheap.  
http://cgi.ebay.com/Adaptec-4-Channel-ATA-100-Raid-Card-AAR-2400A-w-32MB_W0QQitemZ220310778359QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Networking_Components?hash=item220310778359&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318#ebayphotohosting

I can't buy it.   I only can purchase with a USPS money order.

I'm fairly sure that Adaptec has a driver for DOS.  

Or the Promise Fastrak cards for PATA, or SATA [TX4310].
  The driver may be a big concern.

Thanks for the QNAP links,  I'm afraid that I'd want RAID 5.  Min. about
$800.
 
Sincerely,

Gregory D. MELLOT



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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS for Large Scale Storage?

2008-11-16 Thread David C. Kerber
See below...

> -Original Message-
> From: gdmellott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:25 PM
> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS for Large Scale Storage?
>
>
> Hi David,
>
> Thanks for responding.  An answer and questions are mixed in
> with your response, if you wish to address them.
>
>
> David C. Kerber wrote:
> >
> >>I'm no authority on it, but my experience with using
> FreeDOS as a file
> server was not encouraging.  I
> >>used the MS networking services that came with WFW 3.11, and it was
> functional but unacceptably
> >>slow.  At the time (a few months ago), nobody had a suggestion of a
> >>faster
> set of server libraries, so I
> >>gave up on it and went to a different OS.
> >
> >>How much RAM do those machines have?
> >
> > 256MB, 512MB for a while on one.
> >
> >>  If at least 128MB and you have some unused copies of windows XP
> >>lying  around, that configuration has worked pretty well
> for me as a
> >>low end file server (for logging over the
> network mostly), and would
> >>probably be ok for archiving as well.  With essentially no user
> applications running, 128MB is enough for
> >>XP to act as a file server.
> > I'm surprised,  MS still supports K6 CPUs.

I run it on a geode 400MHz processor for embedded uses.

> > I suspect one needs to tell the Setup to limit the files installed
> > somehow.  Is that a normal setup question asked?  Or does
> one need to
> > throw a switch at it to get there?

I don't think it asks anything; it just detects what it needs to know.

It has pretty good backwards compatibility, as long as the processors run a 
basic x86 command set.

D

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