Re: [Freedos-user] "Peace and Quiet"!
Hi! > needed to support some. If Dos based Windows is > used, Freedos is possibly being run on a computer > that has 128+ megs of RAM. There are a LOT of > old computers that have this much RAM. And several operating systems that can run there ;-) > Freedos can ask, "Are you on a Pentium, 486, 386, 286, > or 8088," at install time. Based off of that info... You typically install from CD today, so you can assume a 386 or better, often Pentium or better CPU. Many apps run on 8086, but to have decent memory management, you typically want HIMEMX and a 386. Several drivers also require that. There are also floppy distros for 8086. I would not put too much extra 8086 fiddling inside a CD distro installer if you ask me. Almost no apps need a more modern CPU than 386, or would gain from a FPU. Well, probably Arachne would... I also think FreeBASIC had issues with 486sx and older CPU which lack a FPU. > is possible to decide whether or not certain programs > like Firefox for example make any sense. I seriously > doubt that anyone wants to run Arachne on anything less > than a 486 with at least 2 megs of RAM for example. On any PC which is too old to run NT or Linux, you probably want Dillo and not Firefox anyway... ;-) Interestingly, Firefox depends mostly on GTK, Python and Cairo. Python 2.4 already exists for DOS DJGPP. Cairo has backends for GTK and Win32, but Nokia did help with some QPainter backend for QT. It makes me wonder how hard writing a VESA framebuffer backend for DOS might be. On the other hand, I really wonder how far HX is from running older Firefox for Win32. Note that while DOS runs on modern hardware, it does not necessarily make use of it. There is no surround sound, multi-core, more-than-4-GB- of-RAM or similar support, but it does not hurt to have that hardware while running DOS either. > of Linux that installs to a FAT directory and > exits to Freedos when you are done would be fine On the other hand, switching THAT way would not be much faster than rebooting to DOS either ;-) > In short, the state of Freedos's Arachne poses a > security problem for anyone who needs to make sure > that a graphical web browser has a local filter You cannot install censorship in any DOS browser because in DOS, every user always is the admin. > Sure you might filter at the router to the net That would be morer secure indeed. Eric -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] De-Geekifying This List (Was: Some Simple List Rules)
> > From: Pat Villani > > Subject: [Freedos-user] Some simple list rules > > Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 8:46 AM > > > > 1. Please remember that this is a users mailing list. > > Many of these folks are non technical and may not under- > > stand the ramifications of what they are asking for. Pat, as a person who's been following this list for some time, I'm not sure that the purpose you've mentioned is being adhered to all that well. I have been a power user since the days when DOS was cool, and a lot of the posts still go over my head like a roof. Discussions of compiling, listings of scripts (config.sys settings?) that are far more complicated than I've ever used and many more things give me the impression that this is much more of a Freedos-Geeks list than a Freedos-User list. I just went to the Freedos site, the Wiki and the How-To pages and am still about as baffled as to how to make Freedos work for me as I have been all along. The impression I have (despite the statement that Freedos can pretty much run any software designed for MS-DOS) is that the kind of system I used as a 100% DOS user would not work, but requires a lot more stuff in the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT. Let me give as an example a basic CONFIG/AUTOEXEC setup for MS-DOS (5.x and higher); CONFIG.SYS: device=HIMEM.SYS device=EMM386.EXE files=40 buffers=40 devicehigh=NANSI.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT: @echo off cls prompt $p$g path=C:\;C:\DOS;C:\BAT;C:\UTIL lh SMARTDRV.EXE 2048 cls c: cd \ ver (I've probably forgotten something; it's been quite awhile since I've written these files from scratch; or tinkered with them at all, for that matter.) I found nothing in the HOWTOs on the order of "Freedos for Dummies" or "Freedos for experienced MS-DOS Users." I honestly don't know what I could reasonably expect to do in a Freedos environment, using this configuration that would work just fine in an MS-DOS environment. If there are samples of basic CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files lurking around, I can't readily find them. And if I can't find them, people with even less knowledge aren't going to, either. I wish I could offer to pitch in on the kinds of things that I see are needed, but it's beyond my reach at this time. Plus, considering all the gobbledygook I read here, I'm not even sure where I'd begin. All I can say is that for Freedos' sake, whatever effort some of y'all can make to set out a "welcome mat" that explains the differences between MS-DOS and FreeDOS, particularly as far as configuration goes and how to resolve issues involving common programs that don't quite run "as-is" under Freedos would be very much appreciated, I believe. Thanks for "listening". -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Freedos Install Options
I have an old W95 era Dell Laptop that I still find useful. I managed to install Linux Etch in it by installing w/o Xwindows, then adding that later so I could control what all that was installed. I use either Ratpoison or Fluxbox for my windows manager. I have Freedos installed two ways on the Laptop. I can run it in dosemu, or I have the option to boot to it directly for any apps that won't run in dosemu. Booting directly to Freedos lets me be up and running very quickly, and I can get to the Freedos directory later from Linux, so I have access to work from either platform. If I only knew how to get networking to work with Freedos via my pcmcia network wirless card, I'd likely boot to Freedos more often than to Linux. But for now, I only know how to get the wireless working through Linux. I'm not a gamer, so I don't really have need for any version of Windows. I do use a USB Quickcam Express webcam for astrophotography, and for a time the only package I knew that drove the webcam was the Windows software it came with. Now I can use Linux and a program called camstream. Even better would be some dos compatible webcam program, but I must learn to be happy with the nice things Freedos does supply, making an old laptop still a valuable asset. --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Eric Auer wrote: > From: Eric Auer > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] "Peace and Quiet"! > To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 9:32 AM > > Hi! > > > needed to support some. If Dos based Windows is > > used, Freedos is possibly being run on a computer > > that has 128+ megs of RAM. There are a LOT of > > old computers that have this much RAM. > > And several operating systems that can run there ;-) > > > Freedos can ask, "Are you on a Pentium, 486, 386, > 286, > > or 8088," at install time. Based off of that > info... > > You typically install from CD today, so you can assume > a 386 or better, often Pentium or better CPU. Many apps > run on 8086, but to have decent memory management, you > typically want HIMEMX and a 386. Several drivers also > require that. There are also floppy distros for 8086. > I would not put too much extra 8086 fiddling inside a > CD distro installer if you ask me. Almost no apps need > a more modern CPU than 386, or would gain from a FPU. > Well, probably Arachne would... I also think FreeBASIC > had issues with 486sx and older CPU which lack a FPU. > > > is possible to decide whether or not certain programs > > like Firefox for example make any sense. I > seriously > > doubt that anyone wants to run Arachne on anything > less > > than a 486 with at least 2 megs of RAM for example. > > On any PC which is too old to run NT or Linux, you > probably want Dillo and not Firefox anyway... ;-) > > Interestingly, Firefox depends mostly on GTK, Python > and Cairo. Python 2.4 already exists for DOS DJGPP. > Cairo has backends for GTK and Win32, but Nokia did > help with some QPainter backend for QT. It makes me > wonder how hard writing a VESA framebuffer backend > for DOS might be. On the other hand, I really wonder > how far HX is from running older Firefox for Win32. > > Note that while DOS runs on modern hardware, it > does not necessarily make use of it. There is > no surround sound, multi-core, more-than-4-GB- > of-RAM or similar support, but it does not hurt > to have that hardware while running DOS either. > > > of Linux that installs to a FAT directory and > > exits to Freedos when you are done would be fine > > On the other hand, switching THAT way would not > be much faster than rebooting to DOS either ;-) > > > In short, the state of Freedos's Arachne poses a > > security problem for anyone who needs to make sure > > that a graphical web browser has a local filter > > You cannot install censorship in any DOS browser > because in DOS, every user always is the admin. > > > Sure you might filter at the router to the net > > That would be morer secure indeed. > > Eric > > > > -- > Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source > Bridge conference! > Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of > unconference: $250. > Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register > today! > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org _
Re: [Freedos-user] Incompatibility with EMSDSK
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 2:14 AM, jasse...@itelefonica.com.br < jasse...@itelefonica.com.br> wrote: > FreeDOS (kernel=2038fat16, freecom=082pl3) reports a wrong > (about 10% actual) size for a EMS ramdisk created with > Frank Uberto FU_RD v.19i. > ... documentation says both have just one FAT. I set > them with same size and number of sectors/cluster. > > JAS > Does this happen for any size or what size do you create? Thank you, Jeremy -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Linux in fat partition.
There is a linux that runs in a fat partition: puppy; it runs in a linux filesystem which is inside a fat, and I have used it on a ten year old dell with pentium three and 128 meg ram. By the way, it's small size makes it an excellent live cd-linux on the old machines, and it sports an excellent web browser, with NIC drivers built in and ready to go. Finally I was able to install the puppy on a logical 'd' partition, with freedos on the 'c' partition, and grub4dos for the booting. Puppy is neat.--kurt.[?] <<330.gif>>-- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Linux in fat partition.
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, kurt godel wrote: > There is a linux that runs in a fat partition: puppy; it runs in a linux > filesystem which is inside a fat, and I have > used it on a ten year old dell with pentium three and 128 meg ram. By the > way, it's small size makes it an excellent > live cd-linux on the old machines, and it sports an excellent web browser, > with NIC drivers built in and ready to > go. Finally I was able to install the puppy on a logical 'd' partition, with > freedos on the 'c' partition, and grub4dos > for the booting. Puppy is neat.--kurt.[?] > I have not tried Puppy for over a year but I had problems getting it to go online at our house. Any difficulties on that front? ~~~ Bonnie Dalzell, MA mail:5100 Hydes Rd PO Box 60, Hydes,MD,USA 21082-0060|EMAIL:bdalz...@qis.net freelance anatomist, vertebrate paleontologist, writer, illustrator, dog breeder, computer nerd & iconoclast... Borzoi info at www.borzois.com. Editor Net.Pet Online Animal Magazine - http://www.netpetmagazine.com HOME http://www.qis.net/~borzoi/ BUSINESS http://www.batw.com -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] DOS and network security...
It's starting to dawn on me that although Freedos is an excellent choice for being able to run most old dos programs, it's a nightmare from a network security point of view. I suppose there's the option of running it on top of Linux and using Linux to control where dos can go on your network, but I like to run Freedos natively. I guess I have gotten so used to Linux and Windows NT environments that I am taking for granted security gains that exist because there is a user context. DOS was developed before the Internet and before network security became a really big deal. To make dos secure would involve adding a user context to all the files and requiring that people log in I suppose, but that would be very confusing and I doubt it would be compatible. I'm starting to realize that Dos based Windows which is not an OS is also problematic because there's no user context. 98SE supposedly has user context, but everyone is an admin. Is there a way to enforce user context in 98SE to keep people from willy nilly adding accounts to get around the security? Short of locking up dos mode in 98SE, people can probably hack their way past anything I'd do. Eric says that there is no censorship with Freedos because everyone is an admin. Uge! How does one sandbox Freedos properly short of running it on top of Linux? -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] What do you need from Windows world...
For web browsing, I would recommend Tiny Core Linux + either Opera or Firefox. No packet driver needed, and you can actually launch it from DOS thanks to LOADLIN. It can run wine too. http://tinycorelinux.com On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Japheth wrote: >>> Internet Exporer 5 and earlier, maybe 6. >> >> Hardest-core CRAP, please don't pull it out if it's grave. > > Using IE 5 instead of Arachne is a good idea. It has support for the MS > version of JavaScript (JScript) and runs even on Windows 3.11 standard mode. > This makes it render a lot of web sites far better than Arachne. > > > -- > Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! > Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. > Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Install Grub
Honestly, I would use a newer GRUB4DOS version from http://download.gna.org/grub4dos. (0.4.4) Once that's unzipped to a floppy or the hard drive, you can use "bootlace.com 0x80", then make sure that GRLDR is present on the hard drive. I'm not sure where bootlace.com and GRLDR are located on the CD. On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Thomas D. Dean wrote: > I have two partitions, MSDOS on 1 and FreeDOS on 2. > > How do I install grub from the FreeDOS 1.0 CD? > > tomdean > > > -- > Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! > Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. > Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOS and network security...
You're pretty much on the right track. FreeDOS is modeled after MS-DOS, which has no security features whatsoever. And you're right, adding them would be confusing to users, and more than likely break many applications. Isolating FreeDOS in some sort of virtualization such as dosemu, or a vmware type of environmet, would be about the easiest way of doing it. By the way, on of the toughest aspects of developing and supporting FreeDOS is the fact that there is no security and applications reach in and touch kernel data all the time. The kernel developers have to deal with this all the time. Pat On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Michael Robinson wrote: > It's starting to dawn on me that although Freedos is an > excellent choice for being able to run most old dos programs, > it's a nightmare from a network security point of view. I > suppose there's the option of running it on top of Linux > and using Linux to control where dos can go on your network, > but I like to run Freedos natively. I guess I have gotten > so used to Linux and Windows NT environments that I am taking > for granted security gains that exist because there is a > user context. > > DOS was developed before the Internet and before network > security became a really big deal. > > To make dos secure would involve adding a user context to > all the files and requiring that people log in I suppose, > but that would be very confusing and I doubt it would be > compatible. > > I'm starting to realize that Dos based Windows which is not > an OS is also problematic because there's no user context. > 98SE supposedly has user context, but everyone is an admin. > Is there a way to enforce user context in 98SE to keep > people from willy nilly adding accounts to get around > the security? Short of locking up dos mode in 98SE, > people can probably hack their way past anything I'd > do. > > Eric says that there is no censorship with Freedos because > everyone is an admin. Uge! How does one sandbox Freedos > properly short of running it on top of Linux? > > > -- > Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! > Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. > Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] getting puppy to work.
Bonnie, I don't know if you are using a dial up modem, but I have cable company online, and the latest puppy for sure, is *instantly* ready to work, whether live cd or installed puppy; I have never used a dial up modem. --kurt. -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] De-Geekifying This List (Was: Some Simple List Rules)
Hi Mike, you are right that config / autoexec often differ from what you are used to from MS DOS, among other reasons just because we now have newer and other drivers :-). > CONFIG.SYS: > device=HIMEM.SYS Try Himem.exe, or better Himemx.exe... You also need a line DOS=HIGH,UMB > device=EMM386.EXE Try JEMM386.exe, but be aware that modern hardware and BIOSes often fail to flag unusable UMB areas properly, so you get a more stable system by omitting EMM386 until you find the time to check which areas can be used reliably for UMB and EMS... You can add a line DOSDATA=UMB if you want. > files=40 > buffers=40 > devicehigh=NANSI.SYS I would also add: LASTDRIVE=Z and DEVICEHIGH=MORESYS.SYS The latter is a blatant add for a tool which lets you do for example "tree >more$" instead of "tree | more" ;-). I also use STACKS=0,0 as that is stable enough for me. Do not forget to add a SHELL line, for example: SHELL=c:\fdos\bin\command.com c:\fdos\bin /e:1024 /p=c:\myexec.bat (you can also use /P without the =... for default: autoexec.bat) > AUTOEXEC.BAT: > @echo off > cls > prompt $p$g > path=C:\;C:\DOS;C:\BAT;C:\UTIL You should not put C:\ in the path, you probably have no useful programs there. FreeDOS typically installs programs into c:\freedos\bin or c:\fdos\bin :-). > lh SMARTDRV.EXE 2048 Try LH LBACACHE.COM 2048 TUNS (or use more RAM, of course). > cls > c: > cd \ You can combine the latter two into a line CDD C:\ in FreeDOS. > ver Let me see what else you can have... You may want to load MKEYB or KEYB, maybe even use DISPLAY and MODE, if your hardware and language are not plain English. You can SET DOSDIR=c:\fdos (or freedos) and also SET HELPPATH=%dosdir%\help ... If you want, you can say SET LANG=FR and SET NLSPATH=%dosdir%\nls to use other languages than English. You often want to say SET TMP=c:\temp and SET TEMP=c:\temp :-). For CD/DVD, you will typically load UIDE in config sys and load SHSUCDX in autoexec bat. Actually you can even mount ISO image files with SHSUCDHD :-). I also recommend LH FDAPM APMDOS to save some energy in DOS. Optionally add LH IDLEDPMS 10 for DPMS screen saver. A mouse driver such as CTMOUSE can be useful, too... Eric PS: Feel free to make a Wiki page about the config :-) -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] getting puppy to work.
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, kurt godel wrote: > Bonnie, I don't know if you are using a dial up modem, but I have cable > company online, and the latest puppy > for sure, is *instantly* ready to work, whether live cd or installed puppy; > I have never used a dial up modem. > --kurt. > I have a dsl set up. When I tried puppy a year ago it seemed to want a dial up. Ubuntu Linux, my husband's mac and our roommate's windoze machine have no problems with puppy. On the other hand the new [cheap] Dekk laptop I have with Vista and Ubuntu can only get online via Ubuntu, not with Vista. ~~~ Bonnie Dalzell, MA mail:5100 Hydes Rd PO Box 60, Hydes,MD,USA 21082-0060|EMAIL:bdalz...@qis.net freelance anatomist, vertebrate paleontologist, writer, illustrator, dog breeder, computer nerd & iconoclast... Borzoi info at www.borzois.com. Editor Net.Pet Online Animal Magazine - http://www.netpetmagazine.com HOME http://www.qis.net/~borzoi/ BUSINESS http://www.batw.com -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Incompatibility with EMSDSK
Jeremy said: >Does this happen for any size or what size do you create? I only tested it with 4364KB, which is the same size I use under DR/MS DOS. This is just a value I found to work comfortably for all my ordinary applications. I may try other values if you think this is important. BTW, I have 16 MB total memory in this machine. New info: I noticed that, unless I force a frame address (with JEMM FRAME= option), JEMM fails to install EMM0 under kernel 2038, but installs ok under DR/MS DOS. JAS -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Incompatibility with EMSDSK
2009/6/21 jasse...@itelefonica.com.br > I only tested it with 4364KB, which is the same size I use under > DR/MS DOS. This is just a value I found to work comfortably for > all my ordinary applications. I may try other values if you think > this is important. BTW, I have 16 MB total memory in this machine. I see no problem here: C:\>emsdsk 4364 EMSDSK driver not loaded. Want to load it (y/n) ? *** EMS RAMdisk v1.9I (FU - 08/98): Installed as drive F:. C:\>dir f: Volume in drive F is MS-RAMDRIVE File not found. C:\>copy config.sys f: config.sys => f:config.sys C:\>dir f: Volume in drive F is MS-RAMDRIVE Directory of F:\ CONFIG SYS 469 16-06-09 17:45 1 file(s) 469 bytes 0 dir(s) 4.456.448 bytes free What are you seeing? How do you load emsdsk? What is a minimal config.sys/autoexec.bat that exposes the problem? In other words, how can others reproduce your problem? Bart -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Linux in fat partition.
There are some other linux distros using "umsdos", this is a filesystem that emulates a unix file system over a dos fat disk. Was a common feature many years ago when the main OS was DOS and the people was interested in to test linux without partition hard disk. I remember my first linux expeiences with: Monkey Linux, a 6 floppies that takes only about 20 Mb ram, including webserver, X, and lot of things. Mulinux, a 2 floppies distro including a basic X system. Not sure, but think umsdos continues as an option on main distros as debian. 2009/6/21, Bonnie Dalzell : > On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, kurt godel wrote: > >> There is a linux that runs in a fat partition: puppy; it runs in a linux >> filesystem which is inside a fat, and I have >> used it on a ten year old dell with pentium three and 128 meg ram. By the >> way, it's small size makes it an excellent >> live cd-linux on the old machines, and it sports an excellent web browser, >> with NIC drivers built in and ready to >> go. Finally I was able to install the puppy on a logical 'd' partition, >> with >> freedos on the 'c' partition, and grub4dos >> for the booting. Puppy is neat.--kurt.[?] >> > > I have not tried Puppy for over a year but I had problems getting it to > go online at our house. Any difficulties on that front? > > ~~~ > Bonnie Dalzell, MA > mail:5100 Hydes Rd PO Box 60, Hydes,MD,USA 21082-0060|EMAIL:bdalz...@qis.net > > freelance anatomist, vertebrate paleontologist, writer, illustrator, dog > breeder, computer nerd & iconoclast... Borzoi info at www.borzois.com. > Editor Net.Pet Online Animal Magazine - http://www.netpetmagazine.com > HOME http://www.qis.net/~borzoi/ BUSINESS http://www.batw.com > > > -- > Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge > conference! > Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: > $250. > Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Marco A. Achury Tel: +58-(212)-6158777 Cel: +58-(414)-3142282 Fax: +58-(212)-2410828 Skype: marcoachury www.geocities.com/marcoachury -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
