Re: [Freedos-user] Installing FreeDOS on the second partition of the disk
2013/4/22 Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net also maybe influenced or caused by VE-300 emulation firmware when using it All tests were done with the disk OUT of the VE-300 case. -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installing FreeDOS on the second partition of the disk
2013/4/22 Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net On 2013-04-22 02:07 (GMT+0200) Aleve Sicofante composed: ...2.5 drive enclosure from Zalman, the VE-300... Is there any USB3 support in FreeDOS??? All my external backup cases except my oldest one include eSATA support. eSATA is mostly all I ever use for external HDs. They're DOS bootable exactly as if an internal HD as long as the BIOS can enable them to be seen as a first HD at POST time, and their partitioning is BIOS compatible. I don't have USB 3.0 ports right here, but I'll try soon. There shouldn't be any problems, though. USB 3.0 is compatible with USB 2.0 and as long as the BIOS sees the disk, I don't think FreeDOS won't see the disk. I'll let you know when I try, probably this afternoon. -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installing FreeDOS on the second partition of the disk
the lowest-order operating system has to be installed first, unless i'm missing something here... eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installing FreeDOS on the second partition of the disk
Hi Felix, I created two PRIMARY partitions: a 39GB one and a 1GB one. I marked the second partition as Active... Note that because your partition starts after the first 8 GB, no matter which geometry you use, the partition can only be reached with LBA. So FAT32 with LBA would be a good partition type. Unless you prefer FAT16 LBA of course, the size of 1 GB is suitable for both. The FAT32 variant has smaller clusters (better usage of the available space with many small files) but larger FAT tables (worse performance in particular with big files). Once you use LBA instead of CHS, geometry is ignored. I did all this using the tools provided in the FreeDOS CD. After partitioning and rebooting... In some tools, you may have to explicitly select LBA. installation of FreeDOS to the second partition. I must say the installer didn't like the partition I created, showed lots of errors and offered to recreate the partition (this happened every single time I did the installation, and that's at least 10 times...). I agreed with the installer's suggestion, the partition was recreated and... That does not sound good, more exact error messages may help. It can happen that DOS complains about geometry consistency, but as said, for LBA partitions geometry is irrelevant. DOS could still be complaining about your FIRST (non-boot, 39 GB) partition if that is also FAT. Because it extends beyond the first 8 GB, you should also mark it as LBA if DOS can see it. CHS: * 255 63 (mostly used with desktop system BIOS) I think 254 is also seen... CHS: * 240 63 (mostly used with laptop system BIOS, but often also Compaq desktops) MiB cyl: * 64 32 (required for maximum performance for 4k sector aka advanced format HDs) Why would 4k sector disks use any geometry at all? Geometries with powers of 2 sizes may be used for ZIP drives. Regards, Eric -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installing FreeDOS on the second partition of the disk
On 2013-04-22 12:36 (GMT-0700) Mark Brown composed: the lowest-order operating system has to be installed first, Though it tends to make desired results more likely and/or easier, it certainly need not. http://fm.no-ip.com/PC/install-doz-after.html -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installing FreeDOS on the second partition of the disk
On 2013-04-22 21:39 (GMT+0200) Eric Auer composed: MiB cyl: * 64 32 (required for maximum performance for 4k sector aka advanced format HDs) Why would 4k sector disks use any geometry at all? Disks don't use geometry. PC BIOS partition tables entries have multiple components. To conform to any of the somewhat inconsistent PC BIOS partition table standards, entries have both CHS components and LBA components. Partitioning tools are what use CHS for the purpose of reading and writing conforming table entries, and very significantly, choosing partition start sectors. http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/dfsPTedit.png CHS * 64 32 is about making sure partition starting points are aligned on 4k multiples for performance reasons. http://www.seagate.com/tech-insights/advanced-format-4k-sector-hard-drives-master-ti/ -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Active GUI development?
On Wednesday, April 17, 2013, dos386 wrote:
I found that there are almost no desktop GUIs being developed
There used to be and are many GUI's ... just most of them
are abandoned as buggy and IIRC Jim Hall removed them all
from FreeDOS list some time ago.
http://www.freedos.org/software/?cat=gui {{deleted}}
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Links#toc4
There used to be a ton of GUIs out there. It seemed for a time that
everyone's pet project was some sort of GUI for FreeDOS. Often, a developer
would start a project, bring it to a proof of concept stage, then it
would go stale as the developer moved on to other things. So I stopped
tracking them on the FreeDOS website, but we did mirror those projects that
continued to make releases.
jh
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Re: [Freedos-user] Active GUI development?
I would make a GUI vga desktop for freedos buti don't know ow to implement
fonts in a vga mode
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On Monday, April 22, 2013, Jim Hall wrote:
On Wednesday, April 17, 2013, dos386 wrote:
I found that there are almost no desktop GUIs being developed
There used to be and are many GUI's ... just most of them
are abandoned as buggy and IIRC Jim Hall removed them all
from FreeDOS list some time ago.
http://www.freedos.org/software/?cat=gui {{deleted}}
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Links#toc4
There used to be a ton of GUIs out there. It seemed for a time that
everyone's pet project was some sort of GUI for FreeDOS. Often, a developer
would start a project, bring it to a proof of concept stage, then it
would go stale as the developer moved on to other things. So I stopped
tracking them on the FreeDOS website, but we did mirror those projects that
continued to make releases.
jh
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Re: [Freedos-user] Active GUI development?
I think it's better to modify and improve another GUI, rather than trying
to write your own. For example, you might pick up OpenGEM and improve that.
Perhaps update the fonts, include support for different fonts, clean up the
icons, add support for theming or other visual customization, etc
jh
On Monday, April 22, 2013, Chris Evans wrote:
I would make a GUI vga desktop for freedos buti don't know ow to implement
fonts in a vga mode
-Chris
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On Monday, April 22, 2013, Jim Hall wrote:
On Wednesday, April 17, 2013, dos386 wrote:
I found that there are almost no desktop GUIs being developed
There used to be and are many GUI's ... just most of them
are abandoned as buggy and IIRC Jim Hall removed them all
from FreeDOS list some time ago.
http://www.freedos.org/software/?cat=gui {{deleted}}
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Links#toc4
There used to be a ton of GUIs out there. It seemed for a time that
everyone's pet project was some sort of GUI for FreeDOS. Often, a developer
would start a project, bring it to a proof of concept stage, then it
would go stale as the developer moved on to other things. So I stopped
tracking them on the FreeDOS website, but we did mirror those projects that
continued to make releases.
jh
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installing FreeDOS on the second partition of the disk
Aleve Sicofante schreef op 22-4-2013 2:07: Thanks Jeremy and thanks to Felix too. I think at this point I should paint the whole picture, so you guys get a better idea. I bought a 2.5 drive enclosure from Zalman, the VE-300, that acts as two devices in one: it shows itself to the system as two devices: a hard disk drive AND an optical disk drive. The optical drive has in it what corresponds to an ISO that resides in a special directory of the FIRST partition in the hard disk. You choose which ISO with a clickwheel and an LCD menu on the Zalman enclosure. The fact that the Zalman VE-300 won't understand but the first partition for its optical drive emulation is the reason I can't use the first partition for FreeDOS. This setup will be my repairman companion and I want FreeDOS for those utilities that would otherwise need a floppy drive or are distributed only as DOS utilities. There should be FAT32 firmware for VE-300 available at the Zalman website. Default indeed is NTFS, to allow ISO files with a size of 4GB and above. Another option is the ISOSTICK hardware device, which only supports FAT32. the system won't boot if the installation wasn't made on the first or only partition (I tried both), no matter what I chose in the final screen. This might be the BIOS coming into play, expecting bootable partitions to start below 8GB or so. BTW: the installation procedure tells me I'm installing FreeDOS 1.0 all the time, not FreeDOS 1.1. I swear I burned the only image I downloaded from the FreeDOS website, and that's fd11src.iso. You might have switched languages where the translated files aren't kept up to date. My recommendation would be to either download UBCD ISO-file (which includes FreeDOS) or to install FreeDOS inside of Bochs emulator, then create an ISO where you boot the harddisk-image used for Bochs. I'm working on that last one right now (to avoid the entire installation procedure) for 16MB+ machines, though as usual distribution is a nightmare when you have to take care of providing sources as well for all programs. Improving the installers is a bit difficult, lots of software isn't maintained anymore or not up to date for current machines. If you want to see if FreeDOS boots properly, the manual barebones way is best (use FDISK, FDISK /MBR , FORMAT C: , SYS C: ). Installing FreeDOS programs afterwards should be possible when starting INSTALL.EXE while you're in the X:\FREEDOS directory. Post-installation configuration is done in POSTINST.BAT at C:\DOS -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
