Re: [Freedos-user] Without DVD-ROM, USB working... install it from the HD?

[Aleksei Ivan]

Rugxulo: I've got a Windows 10 and 7 right now on the machine. I want to
keep dual (Win10 and FreeDOS). I'll try the virtual machine, tks, and for
the links.

Jerome: Thank you for your answer. I have no problem to install any Windows
or Linux from a partition to the same hard disk. It's easier and faster
than a DVD or USB, actually. But I've tried this with FreeDOS and nothing.
Switch HD is the way when there is not other solution. Always my last hard
alternative... ;)





On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Jerome Shidel  wrote:

>
>
> On Mar 25, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Aleksei Ivan  wrote:
>
> My USB ports are NOT working too. I have only to work with a installation
> partition on this netbook.
>
>
> Well, it is always tricky to install an OS to a computer with a single
> drive, no USB, no CD, no Floppy. It is very difficult to boot anything
> other than the installed OS.
>
> So, your only viable option is to remove the drive from the Netbook and
> plug it into another PC.
>
> Since, you don't want to do that multiple times, I recommend the following.
>
> Manually partition the drive as C: (1-2GB) and D: (1GB). Install FreeDOS
> using the other machine to Drive C:. Then copy the entire contents of
> either the Big USB stick or CD to drive D:.
>
> This way all of the games and packages that don't get installed with BASE
> or FULL will be easily accessible on Drive D:.
>
> Reinsert Drive back in netbook.
>
> All done. Unlike Windows and some other OS releases, nothing will prevent
> you from moving the installed OS from one machine to another.
>
> Jerome
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Jim Hall  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Aleksei Ivan 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I have a netbook without DVD-ROM, USB working, and, obliviously. no
>> FLOPPY DISK to install it. Is there any way to do it from the HD?
>> > Tks
>>
>>
>> If your computer doesn't have a CDROM drive, use the USB fob drive
>> installer. Write this to a USB fob drive and boot it to start the
>> install. The "Full" and "Lite" versions install the same FreeDOS, but
>> the "Lite" installer does not contain some extra bonus software
>> packages.
>>
>> You can find links to these installers on this page:
>> http://www.freedos.org/download/
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Without DVD-ROM, USB working... install it from the HD?

[Jerome Shidel]

> On Mar 25, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Aleksei Ivan  wrote:
> 
> My USB ports are NOT working too. I have only to work with a installation 
> partition on this netbook.
> 

Well, it is always tricky to install an OS to a computer with a single drive, 
no USB, no CD, no Floppy. It is very difficult to boot anything other than the 
installed OS.

So, your only viable option is to remove the drive from the Netbook and plug it 
into another PC. 

Since, you don't want to do that multiple times, I recommend the following.

Manually partition the drive as C: (1-2GB) and D: (1GB). Install FreeDOS using 
the other machine to Drive C:. Then copy the entire contents of either the Big 
USB stick or CD to drive D:. 

This way all of the games and packages that don't get installed with BASE or 
FULL will be easily accessible on Drive D:.

Reinsert Drive back in netbook.

All done. Unlike Windows and some other OS releases, nothing will prevent you 
from moving the installed OS from one machine to another.

Jerome




> 
>> On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Jim Hall  wrote:
>> On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Aleksei Ivan  wrote:
>> >
>> > I have a netbook without DVD-ROM, USB working, and, obliviously. no FLOPPY 
>> > DISK to install it. Is there any way to do it from the HD?
>> > Tks
>> 
>> 
>> If your computer doesn't have a CDROM drive, use the USB fob drive
>> installer. Write this to a USB fob drive and boot it to start the
>> install. The "Full" and "Lite" versions install the same FreeDOS, but
>> the "Lite" installer does not contain some extra bonus software
>> packages.
>> 
>> You can find links to these installers on this page:
>> http://www.freedos.org/download/
>> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Without DVD-ROM, USB working... install it from the HD?

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Aleksei Ivan  wrote:
>
> My USB ports are NOT working too. I have only to work with a installation
> partition on this netbook.
>
> I'm sorry for the confusion.

But what other OS (if any) are you running on that machine? What file systems?

Of course the easiest way to test FreeDOS is via virtual machine, e.g.
QEMU or VBox:

https://www.lazybrowndog.net/freedos/virtualbox/

If you can download the .ISO to a FAT partition, you can then install
from there via SHSUCDHD ("emulates a CD-ROM using an image file"):

http://adoxa.altervista.org/shsucdx/index.html
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/shsucdx/other/

Sorry, I don't know the details offhand, so I can't help you set it up
directly or give more specific advice.

Hmmm, this implies a working DOS already. Perhaps one of these will help?

http://ms-sys.sourceforge.net/
https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/sys/sys-freedos-linux/

Dunno, it sounds harder to do than we'd all like.   :-(

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Re: [Freedos-user] boot floppy disk image too big for a disk

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:
>
> I disagree about FreeDOS being "not ready yet" or "no advantage to MS DOS".

If you already have the original gold standard of DOSes, i.e. MS-DOS
(which was widely tested and hugely popular, by far the most
ubiquitous DOS), then you don't urgently "need" any other DOS clone at
all, period.

Various DOS clones exist, and they all have minor advantages, but
overall they work the same (no extra APIs offered, no utilizing newer
advanced cpu features). For common DOS software (and loadable
drivers), they all behave effectively the same (more or less) on any
decent DOS kernel.

Reasons not to use MS-DOS? It's unsupported and proprietary and harder to find.
Reasons not to use FreeDOS? You just want to run the exact same
software that already runs perfectly on your current MS-DOS install.

Heck, apparently there are still people using TAWK, which is
(apparently) proprietary and long dead. One guy was complaining that
GAWK (aka, GPL) still doesn't 100% equal TAWK features despite being
20 years newer. Sound familiar? Old habits die hard.

(In hindsight, it's best to not write proprietary, non-standard,
unportable software at all, if you have a choice. Although nothing
lasts forever, not even standards, it does certainly help to try to be
portable/cross-platform from the start.)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Without DVD-ROM, USB working... install it from the HD?

[Aleksei Ivan]

My USB ports are NOT working too. I have only to work with a installation
partition on this netbook.

I'm sorry for the confusion.

On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Jim Hall  wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Aleksei Ivan 
> wrote:
> >
> > I have a netbook without DVD-ROM, USB working, and, obliviously. no
> FLOPPY DISK to install it. Is there any way to do it from the HD?
> > Tks
>
>
> If your computer doesn't have a CDROM drive, use the USB fob drive
> installer. Write this to a USB fob drive and boot it to start the
> install. The "Full" and "Lite" versions install the same FreeDOS, but
> the "Lite" installer does not contain some extra bonus software
> packages.
>
> You can find links to these installers on this page:
> http://www.freedos.org/download/
>
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Without DVD-ROM, USB working... install it from the HD?

[Jim Hall]

On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Aleksei Ivan  wrote:
>
> I have a netbook without DVD-ROM, USB working, and, obliviously. no FLOPPY 
> DISK to install it. Is there any way to do it from the HD?
> Tks


If your computer doesn't have a CDROM drive, use the USB fob drive
installer. Write this to a USB fob drive and boot it to start the
install. The "Full" and "Lite" versions install the same FreeDOS, but
the "Lite" installer does not contain some extra bonus software
packages.

You can find links to these installers on this page:
http://www.freedos.org/download/

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[Freedos-user] Without DVD-ROM, USB working... install it from the HD?

[Aleksei Ivan]

I have a netbook without DVD-ROM, USB working, and, obliviously. no FLOPPY
DISK to install it. Is there any way to do it from the HD?
Tks
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