Re: [Freedos-user] more Yahoo! spam
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Re: [Freedos-user] SYSLINUX instructions
On 02/09/2013 04:43 AM, Rugxulo wrote: ... Hi Rugxulo, Thanks for the tips. The initial problem was the GPT partition table which I have now found is a common one. Because FREEDOS tries to write an MSDOS partition table, this apparently corrupts the GPT table and things don't work correctly. I finally seem to have succeeded by: 1) writing an MSDOS partition table from Linux with the parted program 512MB FAT16 the rest ext2 2) installing FREEDOS, dropping out to the command prompt and doing fdisk /mbr 3) installing Fedora 14 (I know it's old, I'll upgrade) and manually adding DOS to the boot list during installation. I am not sure that this couldn't have been done with the original partition table, but I am _not_ going back to find out. Now to get KDE going as the window manager in Linux (Why don't we have the choice any more?) The reason for all this is that I write DOS programs for human performance testing where I take over interrupts and timers in order to get decent response timing and you just can't do that in a DOS box. Jim -- Free Next-Gen Firewall Hardware Offer Buy your Sophos next-gen firewall before the end March 2013 and get the hardware for free! Learn more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sophos-d2d-feb ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] SYSLINUX instructions
Hi, I have been trying to set up an HP nx6320 laptop with FREEDOS and Fedora Linux. While I have done this numerous times previously, by simply installing FREEDOS and then Linux, this particular box is giving me no end of trouble. I can install FREEDOS and it boots okay, but when I install Linux, it refuses to see the FAT16 partition and overwrites FREEDOS, or if I rewrite the partition table as msdos, FREEDOS will boot but not Linux. I have been trying to install SYSLINUX as a last resort, but if I do it from Linux, it doesn't work, and I haven't been able to find SYSLINUX.EXE in the FREEDOS 1.1 distribution. Does anyone know where SYSLINUX.EXE lives or do I have to download it myself? Jim -- Free Next-Gen Firewall Hardware Offer Buy your Sophos next-gen firewall before the end March 2013 and get the hardware for free! Learn more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sophos-d2d-feb ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Long-term survival of FreeDOS
On 01/03/2013 12:57 PM, dmccunney wrote: On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Jim Lemonj...@bitwrit.com.au wrote: If there was a Linux kernel in which the user could turn off everything that isn't in DOS, that would be a way out. If you could turn off everything that *isn't* in DOS, you might have fun running the Linux kernel. You run DOS in an emulator on top of Linux because you can't *get* DOS to run native on that hardware. Drivers are needed that don't exist. What you probably want is a flavor of Linux modified for use in an RTOS, where a user process can preempt the kernel itself. Exactly. I intend to try out RTLinux at some point. But on modern hardware, other time-critical programs that will carve out slices of CPU time are likely a Who cares? issue. Commonly used hardware is orders of magnitude faster than the machines DOS was made to run on, and there are cases like games where you might specifically *want* to steal CPU slices, because otherwise your game runs *too* fast and is unplayable. . I have had to do this once, when writing an assembly code driver for a digital rotation encoder. The read cycle had to be slowed down by a specified number of NOPs to allow the register to load. The problem is that when a program is monitoring response devices such as the mouse and keyboard and presenting an animated display to the user, even a millisecond lost to some other program is a disaster. As I can often see the system blink on modern PCs running Windows and even Linux, I'm reasonably certain that I can't trust them to be accurately recording reaction times. One of my colleagues thought that she had solved the problem by buying an expensive test battery until I showed her the uncertainty factor that came with every response recorded. Jim -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122712 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Long-term survival of FreeDOS
On 01/04/2013 04:13 AM, dmccunney wrote: ... Real time simply means guaranteed to respond to an external event within a specified period. What time period is required? I have been able to guarantee millisecond resolution of events to measure the subtle effects on human performance of various experimental manipulations. By recording the data in text formats that can be imported into essential (ha!) applications like Excel, I have been able to convince the people who use my programs that they are not impossible to use. Remember, these are postgrad students and professors, not the average mouth breather. ... How accurately do you *need* to be recording reaction times? Currently I get millisecond (1024 Hz) resolution using the CMOS timer interrupt to run the clock counter and recording keypresses by redirecting the keyboard interrupt vector to a program routine. For that use case, I'm not sure I'd try to run DOS on top of Linux, even with a Linux version modified for RTOS usage. The best option might be custom monitoring software running directory on the RTOS, without DOS in the loop. I don't think I would even consider running DOS on top of something else. The something else would have to have the ability to capture the information coming into the DOS emulator, which means that it could do it without DOS. I could wear the pain of rewriting all the graphics stuff if I could get the response timing on another system. Jim -- Master HTML5, CSS3, ASP.NET, MVC, AJAX, Knockout.js, Web API and much more. Get web development skills now with LearnDevNow - 350+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122812 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Long-term survival of FreeDOS
On 01/03/2013 07:52 AM, Aitor Santamaría wrote: ... Now I wonder myself if any of these two variants will dominate in the future, or if there will be a third different approach to the future of DOS. For those of us who use DOS for its simpleminded I do what I'm told and that's all I do functionality, the option of running DOS as the operating system is important. Emulators are no good, for whatever is running the emulator is also running other time-critical programs that will carve out slices of CPU time. If there was a Linux kernel in which the user could turn off everything that isn't in DOS, that would be a way out. Jim -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122712 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Long-term survival of FreeDOS
On 04/12/2012 06:54 AM, dmccunney wrote: ... the question becomes Why do you *need* to do this? The answer is that generally, you *don't*. Current hardware is increasingly faster and more powerful. In the old days you talked directly to the hardware to squeeze the maximum performance out of slow and limited hardware. There's no *reason* to address the hardware directly now simply to get performance: you can talk to it through drivers using OS calls. The hardware is more than fast enough. Lean and unbloated is relative. One man's bloat is another's necessary functionality. And the faster and more powerful your hardware becomes, the less you *care* about bloat. The only people who still have that sort of concerns are working in the embedded space where they still *have* slow and limited hardware, and are dealing with things like 8-bit microcontrollers, or dealing with things like set top boxes or wireless routers, where the CPU is not Intel and the limits are imposed by what you can do in the available flash RAM. They *aren't* using DOS, because DOS doesn't run on ARM or MIPS architectures. I'm sure that the majority of DOS users are simply running applications that don't require real time data acquisition. The problem with modern operating systems generally is that the overhead of running multitasking and heavily protected file systems produces significant periods of non-response. This usually happens while the processor is talking to storage media, and while this doesn't disrupt things like typing noticeably, it does so for precise event timing. Because DOS doesn't write to disk unless you tell it to, it is easy to pick off events like mouse clicks and keypresses to the millisecond. I'm hoping that someone comes up with an embedded Linux OS that will allow this kind of single minded attention to what's happening while suspending all that nice talk that keeps the file system happy. Jim -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Long-term survival of FreeDOS
On 04/11/2012 12:37 AM, Alex wrote: Hi This topic is not about DOS vs other operating systems, or the fact that users tend to gradually abandon DOS. It's about the survivability of DOS vis-a-vis hardware. The starting point for my reasoning is: what will happen with the future development of the hardware architectures? So far DOS has fared relatively well, in the sense that it can still run even on 32bit and 64bit architectures, despite the fact that it does not fully support them. Now the question is: will it always be like this? Or will there come a point when, due to a radical CPU redesign, we won't be able to even use DOS any longer on newer machines? What are the chances of this happening? Related questions are: how adaptable would the (Free)DOS codebase prove, in the event of this happening? How much manpower would be required to recode/adapt (Free)DOS to the new needs? In short, could DOS survive such a situation? I know that this may look as an overly pessimistic scenario, but I believe it's one we had better anticipate, rather than just assuming that things will always be as they are now. I hope I am very wrong in my reasoning, and I would be very glad if someone pointed it out. Hi Alex, The problem for people like me, who program at a fairly low level, is that the programs won't run on emulators. Many of the real time tricks, like using the CMOS clock or taking over the keyboard interrupt, will be blocked as illegal instructions. I have been battling with this for some years, and my colleagues have to scavenge for old PCs that will run DOS natively. I think that at some point I will have to move to another OS if I can get the real time data acquisition. Jim -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] C compiler
On 01/26/2012 11:54 AM, Marco Achury wrote: Dear Sirs Is there any official or recommended C compiler for Freedos? Would be great if such compiler come included on the distro so the user can create their own programs. I know djgpp and Watcom, are both compilers under active development/maintenance? Hi Marco, I recently switched from Borland Turbo C to Watcom, and after all the cursing and headbanging, I agree that it is a better compiler. If you are going in this direction, get ready for a steep climb on the learning curve. Jim -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Modern Uses For FreeDOS
On 01/26/2012 10:53 AM, Bob Cochran wrote: Greetings, I am pretty ignorant of how FreeDOS is used by the community as I am sure my previous posts show. I would like to build a better understanding of FreeDOS. What is it used for most commonly? I know it is an operating system, of course, but I don't know why it is used as an operating system compared to other operating system choices. I would like to understand the user base for FreeDOS better. Are there many users, or just a small base of users, or somewhere in between? Hi Bob, I have been writing human performance tests on PCs for about 25 years, beginning with Apple IIe boxes, then moving to IBM PCs. FreeDOS is ideal for this as the OS only does what you tell it to do, and never capers off to do other tasks, thus allowing precise timing of events without having external equipment. Recently I learned how to use the BIOS real time clock interrupt to count time, and while taking a bit of learning and programming, this has proven superior to reprogramming TIMER0 on the 825x timer chip. Program data is written to a text file that can be processed by external utilities. FreeDOS also allows me to take over the keyboard and pointer interrupts so that I can capture data from these devices. By using batch files and doing a little programming on the keyboard queue and Interapplication Communication Area, I can allow the users to run sequences of tests that require no operator input between tests. The only other OS I would consider is Linux, using Real Time Linux to run the tests (Windows is a disaster for timing). It would be more convenient, as the users could use a GUI to run things instead of complaining about selecting a batch file from a list. However, I would have to port all the code (C) to Linux and set up RTL, a considerable task. FreeDOS is still a viable option. Jim -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Problem with USB keyboard in some computers
On 07/02/2011 04:21 AM, Aitor Santamaría wrote: ... I actually have several programs that simulate keystrokes (MOUSKEYS, JOYKEYS, SCANCODE, and USBKEYB). However, in order to simulate keystrokes properly, the BIOS must be compatible with the keyboard simulation as provided by the programs. Some hardware/firmware BIOS's are compatible, while others aren't. If you don't ever use these programs, or if your BIOS is compatible, MS KEYB is not needed. However, if you use any of these programs, and your BIOS is incompatible, you need to replace the keyboard BIOS with a new one that is compatible. MS KEYB does this, and is the only program I'm aware of that does. I am also curious to know, because I was thinking that by 3.0, I would remove all the pre-AT stuff (for easier maintainance), and leave only INT 15h, 4Fh stuff, but why would you want to simulate keystrokes properly? This may not be relevant, but I have had to use the trick of loading up the keyboard buffer with fake keystrokes to avoid starting multiple DOS command instances when running programs via batch files. It's an easy way to get the last program to exit in the current command shell and then start up again in the previous shell that initiated the batch file. Jim -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Word processing
On 05/06/2011 06:43 AM, Marco Achury wrote: Is available any new wordprocessor for DOS? On this old talk recommend msword for DOS (free as free beer) http://www.computing.net/answers/dos/free-word-processor/16280.html Hi Marco, There are several sites for downloading WordPerfect 4.2, the best DOS word processor I ever used. http://vetusware.com/download/WordPerfect%204.2/?id=3635 Jim -- WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution. http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Failure to compile with Borland C++ compiler under FreeDOS 1.0 - solved?
Hi all, Quite some time ago, I posted a problem that when I upgraded to FreeDOS 1.0, my Borland 2.0 compiler started throwing errors that it couldn't find some object and library files to link. In desperation, I managed to get the compiler to work on an ancient laptop that was running FreeDOS 0.9. A few months ago, that laptop died, and I had to try anything I could. I got an old PC and loaded the Borland compiler and source files on it. It gave odd errors like not being able to write what looked like temp files when I went into a DOS shell from BC. It still threw the linking errors. This made me suspicious, and I moved about 10 files from the project directory to a new directory and tried again. I managed to get the compiler to work after a bit of directory specification. What I think was the problem was that the project directory had well over 400 files in it. I may have hit some kind of directory limit at the same time I upgraded FreeDOS to 1.0. I'm going to do more experimentation on this (and finish the job that has been hanging for so long), and I'll let you know what happens. If anyone else strikes this problem, this may be of assistance. Jim -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] pre 1.0 version
Hi all, Thanks for the suggestions. I tried copying the old (0.9) KERNEL.SYS and COMMAND.COM onto the drive, but no luck, the same error on trying to compile. I had downloaded FreeDOS1.0 from freedos.org, but it only had the 2036 kernel. I'm reluctant to do a full install, as it will knock out my grub dual boot to Linux and I'll have to redo that. I'm running Borland C++ version 2.0 as the compiler. I'll keep plugging away and let you all know if anything happens. Jim -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] pre 1.0 version
On 11/20/2010 12:14 AM, Rugxulo wrote: ... What year and model and cpu? Just curious. And what exactly doesn't work, it won't turn on?? DELL Latitude XP 475D Plugged it in, hit the switch and nothing. No lights, no sound, nothing. It has been going for years and I only kept it for the last year or two to compile C programs under FreeDOS. ... Hmmm, I know I read your recent message, but you were kinda vague. What exactly doesn't work? What error message does it give? What version of Borland C? And most importantly, what kernel are you using? (try ver /r) It's most likely an issue on your end since I haven't heard of any Borland tools having issues except maybe Turbo C 3.0, but I think they fixed that in later kernels. So you should definitely try kernel 2038 (instead of 2036 from FD 1.0) or even unstable 2039. ver -r (or -R, despite the help info) gives FreeCom version 0.84 pre2 XMS_Swap [Aug 28 2006 00:29:00] I'm pretty sure that it's the version because I had been compiling various C programs in the Borland C IDE for years and as soon as I upgraded, it stopped compiling. I just tried it again with a program that I know would compile and got: Undefined symbol _EGA_VGA_driver in module STRZ2.C When it first happened, the undefined symbol would be whatever library or object file was to be linked in first. I checked the paths, checked that the libraries and object files were there, tried to manually compile and link, tried stupid things like copying the object files into the code directory, etc. It was then that I copied a minimal Borland C setup to the old DELL that still had the previous FreeDOS version and ... it worked! As I had to get the program compiled and was able to, I didn't complain and thought that I would eventually be able to fix the problem. EDIT: Does this link help? But I'd rather you didn't use this and instead told us more specifically what's wrong. Most FreeDOS users don't use Borland tools except (freeware) TC++ 1.0.1 or TC 2.01 or TP 5.5. http://ftp.usf.edu/pub/freedos/files/distributions/official.old/0.9sr2.BETA/ Thanks, I'm downloading it now. P.S. Worst case scenario, you could always use OpenWatcom, right? It's far better than Borland anyways (and official compiler for FD, natch). My choices appear to be three: Downgrade to pre 1.0 FreeDOS and hope that I can once again do the development work on this PC. This is the best option, as I don't do a lot of this anymore, and I wouldn't have to change anything. Move from Borland C to Watcom. I agree with your opinion about Watcom, but I have an awful lot of code that depends upon Borland graphics drivers (and probably a few other Borland things), and I don't want to rewrite it. So it would be a worst case scenario. I would rather port the whole thing to Linux and run it under Real Time Linux. Fix whatever is going wrong with the present setup. The error messages, as explained above, are those awful sort that say X isn't there and when you look, X is there. My guess is that there was some subtle change in a DOS or BIOS filesystem call between 0.9 and 1.0 and it broke the ability of the Borland system to find objects to be linked. Anyway, I'll try the first option now and let you know how I go. Thanks for your interest, and of course the link to the old distribution. Jim -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today http://p.sf.net/sfu/msIE9-sfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] pre 1.0 version
Hi all, Well, it's finally happened. The ancient DELL laptop that has been my only development machine has carked it and I am going to have to try to downgrade this PC to a pre-1.0 version to keep compiling. My Borland C compiler has not worked on this machine since I upgraded to 1.0 and despite several messages to the list, I've found no way to fix it. I looked in the archive, but there does not seem to be any pre-1.0 versions available. Anyone know where I can get one? Jim -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today http://p.sf.net/sfu/msIE9-sfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Zorland/Zortech C compiler?
On 05/28/2010 11:49 PM, Alain Mouette wrote: I use Borland C 3.1 regularly on FreeDOS... have you tryed to configure the the lib directories in the IDE? Hi Alain, Yes, I set the directories and for some reason when I try to compile, the IDE reports that it can't open XXX.lib when I know that the libraries are all there. However, the same files compile fine on an ancient laptop that still has the 0.9 (?) version of FreeDOS. Of course I don't really want to depend on the old laptop, for it is really slow, and if it dies, I'm up the creek. I'm going to try to copy the libraries into the directory in which I'm compiling (blush) just to see if I can get some work done. Jim -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Zorland/Zortech C compiler?
On 05/28/2010 01:19 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: ... I personally prefer Borlands C/C++ 3.1 myself, it's still after all those years the most usable DOS C/C++ compiler that still runs on 16 bit DOS, though unfortunately, only the older version of Turbo C++ 1.01 is available from Borland's/Imprise's/Codegear's/Embaradero's museums page as freeware (not Open Source). But still good enough if you in fact want to write real DOS programs... Hi Ralf, I have been using the Borland C compiler for some years, but ran into a problem with version 1.0 of FreeDOS. Since I upgraded from 0.9something, the IDE can no longer find libraries or object files that are not in the current directory, nor can I manually compile and link. I have managed to work around this by transferring a minimal subset of the Borland C installation to an old laptop that is still running 0.9something, but this is hardly an ideal solution. Do you have any information that might allow me to get Borland C to work under FreeDOS 1.0 and beyond? Thanks. Jim -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on flatscreen
On 01/22/2010 08:08 AM, Ray Davison wrote: Felix Miata wrote: On 2010/01/18 15:00 (GMT-0800) Ray Davison composed: I recently swapped my wife's CRT for a used 20, IBM ThinkVision. The image is shifted up about an inch which puts a pull-down bar off-screen. Win and eCS (OS/2) are OK. Ideas? Push the button on the display made to auto-adjust the image position? So far I have not found such a button, and Google is no help. On many flatscreen monitors, the buttons are little touch areas at the bottom of the screen. On my Samsung, which has a black frame, they are completely invisible to me unless I shine a bright light on the frame. They do the same things that the old buttons did. Jim -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ot: turning up the pc speaker?
On 01/13/2010 02:08 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi, I use English, Canadian, and wish to turn up the internal speaker volume. I have seen enough to suggest that there here was some command for this. With some DOS screen readers, that speaker is used for indications. With some laptops, it can even be used for the speech output itself. Karen Hi Karen, According to my ancient volume of Norton (Programmer's Guide to the IBM PC) there is no volume control on the PC speaker itself, which is as I recall. What can be done is to replace the speaker with a more efficient sound generator like a piezo buzzer. You can then install a potentiometer in series on the input and adjust it that way. We have had to do that with a lab machine where we replaced the speaker with headphones as of course the sound is much louder in the headphones. Jim -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Calling soundblaster driver from C
Hi folks, I'm trying to get a Fujitsu E8410 to send a tone to the headphone output instead of the internal speaker. Many PCs with a sound card seem to automatically route the internal speaker to the sound card, but this one doesn't. My first attempt at solving the problem is to try the soundblaster driver that comes with FreeDOS 1.0. However, I have no idea how to do this in C. Can anyone provide a pointer to some docs? Thanks. Jim -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1...
Pat Villani wrote: Let me address all your fears. Version 1.1 is being worked on as we speak. Now, if the folks that are eager to see a version 1.1 are willing to contribute, let me know and we'll figure out how you can help. One thing that might help is that I have found that while version 1.0 wouldn't allow my Borland C++ compiler v2.0 to compile DOS executables with libraries in another directory, I have found that I can compile executables when there are no included libraries. I just stumbled across this the other day when I tried to compile a simpler program that didn't require anything that wasn't in the current directory. Jim -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] make,make install in dos?
kurt godel wrote: Ok, I give up; I knew that linux has 'make' and 'make install' all over the place, but, until this afternoon, I never knew that dos has it. While attempting to install some parts of HX and GEM to djgpp, I was struck by this: use 'make' to configure the includes(headers) and libraries, and use 'make install' to install them in the djgpp. Never heard of 'make' in dos; went to dosbox(XP) and freedos, typed 'make' and was returned make [option] [target]. lovely. Did make -help, and got a list of options, none of them called 'install'. Typing 'make install -help', got the same thing, with 'install' treated as a bogus argument. I cannot fathom the commandline syntax here; does 'target' refer to the djgpp includes and libraries I guess I'm trying to enrich? Then where does the 'source' go on the commandline? Is the source called a 'makefile'? Then, amazingly, when trying to google this up, nobody has this info(instead:here are some of the most common dos commands). *come ON*, what gives here???-kurtwb2...@gmail.com mailto:wb2...@gmail.com. Hi Kurt, make is not specific to DOS, but is a way of running a series of processes, usually compiling source code, but can be many other processes. A bit like a shell (or batch) script that invokes programs to do specific things. If you look in the Makefile (the usual name for the file that make processes), you will see sections that do things that are probably familiar to you, like cc -o hello.exe hello.c in the section named install, you are likely to see files being moved to the locations where they can be invoked without specifying the path to them. Yeah, make can be cryptic, but the best way to learn about it is to write a simple makefile yourself and use make to build a toy program. Jim -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.0 and Borland compiler v2.0
Hi gang, I had to do some programming on the DOS human performance tests that I wrote after a considerable break. I had downloaded FreeDOS 1.0 a while ago and fortunately hadn't gotten around to installing it until a few days ago. When I tried to recompile some code, the compiler started throwing errors like: Can't open file c:\bc\lib\emu.lib even though the files were all there with no access restrictions. The command line compiler gave similar errors, as did the command line linker. As about the only thing I had done was to install the new version of FreeDOS, I laboriously copied the essential Borland installation to an ancient laptop that I use as a lab machine (using 1.44M floppies!). This had the same version of FreeDOS that I had replaced. Sure enough, the compiler worked again and I got the executable. I don't know what went wrong, but perhaps this will uncover something that can be fixed for the next release. Jim -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...
Hi all, I read Michael Robinson's email with great interest. About my only interest in DOS is that it allows me to take over the machinery without the operating system butting in. It is a fantastic environment for test programming and other uses that require real time I/O. I've been away from the test programming for a year or two, and I'm about to start another project, so I'll probably try to upgrade to the latest FreeDOS. The extensions I'm interested in are mainly those that allow me to access newer filesystems so that the people who use my tests won't whinge as much about having to transfer files from DOS to NTFS or the like. Too many features is a pain. We can get too many features anywhere, even my latest Linux OS is annoying me with features that I don't want and can't turn off. I understand the enthusiasm of those who want to do all that is possible in DOS, but spare a thought for those like me who just want the bare minimum to work. Jim -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] rar-unrar
Jose Antonio Senna wrote: JIm Lemon wrote: This is almost invariably an older version of unrar trying to uncompress a file compressed with a newer version of rar. As Oleg noted, go to rarlabs and get the latest version. Last time I did access www.rarlabs.com I could not find any version of unrar (free), just winrar (includes unrar but must be paid and is for Windows). Did anyone check the link lately ? Go to rarlabs, select the Downloads option on the left side menu and in the English Winrar and rar release section at the top you will find a Linux trial version. I'm not sure how long the trial lasts, but it will get you out of a jam, and if somebody wants to program an unrar that works for free (I've tried at least three and they didn't do the job) that would be great. Otherwise we should pay fer what we gets. Jim - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] bootable USB stick
Hi folks, After using FreeDOS for some years to run a battery of human performance tests, I am running out of tricks keeping up with PC design. In order to run the tests on PCs without a VFAT partition, I now boot off a CD-ROM and write data to a diskette. Unfortunately, hardly any PCs these days are shipped with diskette drives... My aim now is to create bootable USB sticks, running the whole show from the stick. The whole installation is not much over 10Mb, so there's plenty of room. I read Russell's tech note that indicates that USB keyboards and mice will work (they already do with my present setup, I use the 33h interrupt for the mice). However, I couldn't seem to find a comprehensible method for creating bootable USB sticks. Is there a cook book out there somewhere for doing this? Jim - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Latest Update: USB Driver Disk v1.5 and XDMA v2.3
Johnson Lam wrote: Hello, 1) USB Driver Disk v1.5 - Thanks to Bernd's help rewriting AUTOEXEC.BAT to avoid loading USBASPI twice! Hi Johnson, I'm quite interested in USB support, as diskette drives are getting scarce on new PCs. I couldn't find this on the FreeDOS site, could you let me know where I can find this and documentation if it isn't included in the distribution? Thanks. Jim --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today * Register for a JBoss Training Course Free Certification Exam for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005 Visit http://www.jboss.com/services/certification for more information ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Bootable DOS CD
Carl William Spitzer IV wrote: I want to make my own bootable dos CD. My current attempts using K3b under Suse make bootable cd's but I can not then access the additional files. 1) What am I doing wrong? You may not be adding the boot image and the boot catalog to the ISO9660 image. Say you have everything you want in a directory MYDOSCD. Here's how I would do it under Fedora Core 2. 1) Make a bootable floppy with all the drivers you will need at boot time. (I use SHSUCDX for the CD extension plus free ASPI drivers - you can check if everything works by booting from the floppy). 2) Mount the DOS partition where your contents are, put the floppy in the drive and create the boot image from the floppy. mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/dos cd /mnt/dos/mydoscd dd if=/dev/fd0 of=image/boot.img (make sure you have a directory MYDOSCD\IMAGE) 3) Create the ISO9660 image. mkisofs -b image/boot.img -c boot.cat -A FreeDOS \ -o /mnt/dos/mycdimag -P 'My DOS CD' \ -p C_Spitzer -r -V DOSCD -v . 4) Change to the image directory and write the CD. cd .. cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdc mycdimag Note that I have left a lot of things that are specific to my system like /dev/hdc is the CD burner and /dev/hda1 is my DOS partition. Jim --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7412alloc_id=16344op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
