Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 05:21 -0800, dos386 wrote: > > No it is not and it is rude > Try ReactOS forum. How long you will survive > there before getting banned, if you are not yet. Have you been banned from the ReactOS forums? Too many people treat it like it's a mere hobby and tempers do flare on those boards, but I've never been banned myself. ReactOS is NOT a project that intends to replace the dos compatible versions of Windows. ReactOS is not the answer if you need to run a Windows 3.x or 9x specific program. > > development has been to at least support the > > versions of Windows that ran on top of dos. > > This violates the GPL. Where specifically does the GPL state that GPL'ed software cannot interact with proprietary software? If that were true, than playing practically any old dos game on Freedos if the game isn't freeware violates the GPL. Indeed if we accept this lie of yours that supporting Windows on top of freedos violates the GPL, then the kernel developers who have been designing the Freedos kernel with Windows 3.x in mind are violating the GPL. -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
Yes, but the project was formulated with a clear object: Create a free replacement for MS-DOS. And take 10+ years to get it !!! Create a free replacement for a Win9x system is a bigger objective, and is different enough to be a different project. 2009/6/17, Mike Webb : > (Prior posters' names deleted to protect the guilty) > >> > and - BTW - FreeDOS does NOT want to be a Windows 9x replacement. >> Of course not. It wants to be a MS-DOS replacement. > > It continually amazes me how, especially in the Free Software world, > non-sentient things like "software", "information", "music", "books", > and now "FreeDOS" are described as *WANTING* to be some thing (MS-DOS > vs. Windows 9x replacement) or some condition (such as free). Methinks > this idea wants to be nuked. > > -- > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > server and web deployment. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Marco A. Achury Tel: +58-(212)-6158777 Cel: +58-(414)-3142282 Fax: +58-(212)-2410828 Skype: marcoachury www.geocities.com/marcoachury -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
(Prior posters' names deleted to protect the guilty) > > and - BTW - FreeDOS does NOT want to be a Windows 9x replacement. > Of course not. It wants to be a MS-DOS replacement. It continually amazes me how, especially in the Free Software world, non-sentient things like "software", "information", "music", "books", and now "FreeDOS" are described as *WANTING* to be some thing (MS-DOS vs. Windows 9x replacement) or some condition (such as free). Methinks this idea wants to be nuked. -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
> and - BTW - FreeDOS does NOT want to be a Windows 9x replacement. Of course not. It wants to be a MS-DOS replacement. The initial question wasn't to transform FreeDOS into a GUI magically but to create a new project for a GUI running on FreeDOS. -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Tom Ehlert wrote: > > Because running Win32 console applications are not reliable in HX. I have > a > > few of them on my own FreeDOS machine, and they don't really run very > well. > > is that your entry to the ever lasting 'WORST BUG REPORT EVER' > competition ? in that case, consider yourself a front runner. > > and - BTW - FreeDOS does NOT want to be a Windows 9x replacement. > > Tom > > Excuse me for not being the best at describing problems that I encountered when I tried HX with FreeDOS six months ago! If I actually had done it yesterday or even last week, I could probably describe it a lot better! Don't get so testy -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
> Because running Win32 console applications are not reliable in HX. I have a > few of them on my own FreeDOS machine, and they don't really run very well. is that your entry to the ever lasting 'WORST BUG REPORT EVER' competition ? in that case, consider yourself a front runner. and - BTW - FreeDOS does NOT want to be a Windows 9x replacement. Tom -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Robert Riebisch wrote: > King InuYasha wrote: > > > HX Extender is not a very good Win32 console runner, > > Why do you think so? > > Robert Riebisch > -- > BTTR Software > http://www.bttr-software.de/ > Because running Win32 console applications are not reliable in HX. I have a few of them on my own FreeDOS machine, and they don't really run very well. QEMU under HX isn't very good either, though the virtualization aspect kinda messes with it anyway. Being able to use HX to use graphical installers for any type of program in DOS would be something I would like to see. HX with the GUI module can barely run the oldest Win32 version of Inno Setup. It can also run NSIS 1.xx somewhat as well. Though they are likely to crash when you select "Next" button. -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
King InuYasha wrote: > HX Extender is not a very good Win32 console runner, Why do you think so? Robert Riebisch -- BTTR Software http://www.bttr-software.de/ -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
Folks, By my count, there have been 26 messages on this thread and it is going off topic. Please do not rehash the GPL issues other projects may or may not had. Pat On 6/16/09, Christian Masloch wrote: >>> development has been to at least support the >>> versions of Windows that ran on top of dos. >> >> This violates the GPL. > > That sounds interesting. Completely implausible, but interesting. In what > way does it violate the GPL? > > -- > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > server and web deployment. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- Sent from my mobile device -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
>> development has been to at least support the >> versions of Windows that ran on top of dos. > > This violates the GPL. That sounds interesting. Completely implausible, but interesting. In what way does it violate the GPL? -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
> No it is not and it is rude Try ReactOS forum. How long you will survive there before getting banned, if you are not yet. > development has been to at least support the > versions of Windows that ran on top of dos. This violates the GPL. > The natural next step is to replace those versions of Windows. Possible expensive innatural & BAD step (at least no GPL violation, though). > Microsoft doesn't sell Windows 3.x or 9x anymore so forget it ;-) > The reality is, there is this thing called the > Win32 API that Windows 9x and Windows 3.x support > among other APIs. Making this available under dos > without implementing a Windows 3.x or 9x replacement > would be very difficult. Get HX. > There are many Windows programs that only work in > dos based Windows. There is such a thing as a dos > based Windows program, try to run it at the dos > prompt ( any version ) and you'll get a this > requires Microsoft Windows error. Many of these > same programs either don't work or don't work > correctly in Windows NT and other NT based > versions of Windows. Supply examples (freeware !!! + link). > Right now, one of the goals of the kernel developers > is to support Windows 3.x better. Good ... when done, put it into a coffin and then into a grave. > Isn't this exactly what HX Extender is for? to run win32 console programs + BOCHS + QEMU > Yep, let's see where kernel 2039 brings us sometime :) Will there be a non-win-kernel AKA loose-kernel then ? :-( > And so, FreeDOS must be able to run Windows 3.x. Currently, it cannot Oh well ... > HX Extender is not a very good Win32 console runner Fault list ??? -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Bernd Blaauw wrote: > Michael Robinson schreef: > > There are many Windows programs that only work in > > dos based Windows. There is such a thing as a dos > > based Windows program, try to run it at the dos > > prompt ( any version ) and you'll get a this > > requires Microsoft Windows error. Many of these > > same programs either don't work or don't work > > correctly in Windows NT and other NT based > > versions of Windows. > > > Isn't this exactly what HX Extender is for? to run win32 console programs > > Right now, one of the goals of the kernel developers > > is to support Windows 3.x better. > > > Yep, let's see where kernel 2039 brings us sometime :) > HX Extender is not a very good Win32 console runner, but it is better than nothing. In the future, this might be used as the basis of such a Win 3.x/9x replacement. Hopefully kernel 2039 does bring us good support for Windows 3.x... -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Michael Robinson wrote: > On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 06:23 -0800, dos386 wrote: > > This is off-topic and irrelevant anyway ... > > No it is not and it is rude of you to say that it > is. It is not because one of the goals of Freedos > development has been to at least support the > versions of Windows that ran on top of dos. > The natural next step is to replace those > versions of Windows. > > OpenGem is no different from Windows 9x or 3.x in the > respect that it runs on top of DOS. It is different > in the sense that it works with Freedos where Windows > 9x doesn't and Windows 3.x somewhat doesn't. > > Microsoft doesn't sell Windows 3.x or 9x anymore, the > attitude of Microsoft is that nobody uses dos anymore > so nobody needs a version of Windows that works with > it. The reality is, there is this thing called the > Win32 API that Windows 9x and Windows 3.x support > among other APIs. Making this available under dos > without implementing a Windows 3.x or 9x replacement > would be very difficult. > > Now then, at this time there aren't enough developers > to take on cloning Windows 3.x or Windows 9x, but > that alone doesn't make discussing a Windows 3.x > or Windows 9x replacement irrelevant. > > There are many Windows programs that only work in > dos based Windows. There is such a thing as a dos > based Windows program, try to run it at the dos > prompt ( any version ) and you'll get a this > requires Microsoft Windows error. Many of these > same programs either don't work or don't work > correctly in Windows NT and other NT based > versions of Windows. > > Right now, one of the goals of the kernel developers > is to support Windows 3.x better. > > Very true. One particular game that makes me interested in this idea is Sonic CD. The game does not work under Windows NT systems, only Windows 9x. There was a version that worked for Windows 3.x, but I don't have it. There are patches to make Sonic CD work under Windows XP, but they are horribly unreliable and the game acts very funky when the patches are used. Additionally, there are many other utilities, games, and other types of programs that simply do not work under Windows NT based systems. Microsoft since last year has pulled out ALL support for Windows 9x and 3.x, including downloads for it. I heard that they even pulled the MSDN download for Windows 3.x for MSDN subscribers, but I don't really know. FreeDOS being able to run DOS/Windows applications is within the scope of the project; however, for that to happen, the kernel needs to work with regular Windows 3.x first. Otherwise it would be rather difficult to test and compare a Windows 3.x/9x replacement with the official stuff. Unless the people actually developing it had a copy of MS-DOS/DR-DOS/PC-DOS that could actually run Windows. Even so, it is preferred that FreeDOS would be the developing platform. And so, FreeDOS must be able to run Windows 3.x. Currently, it cannot -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
Michael Robinson schreef: > There are many Windows programs that only work in > dos based Windows. There is such a thing as a dos > based Windows program, try to run it at the dos > prompt ( any version ) and you'll get a this > requires Microsoft Windows error. Many of these > same programs either don't work or don't work > correctly in Windows NT and other NT based > versions of Windows. > Isn't this exactly what HX Extender is for? to run win32 console programs > Right now, one of the goals of the kernel developers > is to support Windows 3.x better. > Yep, let's see where kernel 2039 brings us sometime :) -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 06:23 -0800, dos386 wrote: > This is off-topic and irrelevant anyway ... No it is not and it is rude of you to say that it is. It is not because one of the goals of Freedos development has been to at least support the versions of Windows that ran on top of dos. The natural next step is to replace those versions of Windows. OpenGem is no different from Windows 9x or 3.x in the respect that it runs on top of DOS. It is different in the sense that it works with Freedos where Windows 9x doesn't and Windows 3.x somewhat doesn't. Microsoft doesn't sell Windows 3.x or 9x anymore, the attitude of Microsoft is that nobody uses dos anymore so nobody needs a version of Windows that works with it. The reality is, there is this thing called the Win32 API that Windows 9x and Windows 3.x support among other APIs. Making this available under dos without implementing a Windows 3.x or 9x replacement would be very difficult. Now then, at this time there aren't enough developers to take on cloning Windows 3.x or Windows 9x, but that alone doesn't make discussing a Windows 3.x or Windows 9x replacement irrelevant. There are many Windows programs that only work in dos based Windows. There is such a thing as a dos based Windows program, try to run it at the dos prompt ( any version ) and you'll get a this requires Microsoft Windows error. Many of these same programs either don't work or don't work correctly in Windows NT and other NT based versions of Windows. Right now, one of the goals of the kernel developers is to support Windows 3.x better. -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
This is off-topic and irrelevant anyway ... -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
My opinion is that OpenGem is wonderful. I have Freedos installed on my Jetflash stick. I think that if somebody needs Win 3.1 or Win 98 he should just use it. Buy a licensed copy if necessary. Otherwise, just use it. Microsoft should understand that somebody just needs that software. they should make it available. They should accept payment for their abandonware, also. What if somebody has some programs that run only under Win 3.1 or 98 ? Alex Phone number: 004-0364412643 Mobile phone number: 004-0770607699 Messenger ID: firaalexandru Skype ID: alexfiracluj -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
>> What are you talking about? ReactOS is not about Windows Me > > The request of M.R. (NO, I don't understand it well ... or at all) Yes, it seems you don't understand it, or at least not the same way I do. I don't see where he mentioned Windows Me at all. >> And Windows 3.x/9x is no DOS GUI from what point of view? > > They were sold as "OS" (what they aren't either) back then ... Yes, but everyone technically experienced could tell they weren't and aren't. (Windows 9x arguably tries more to work without DOS, but if it would have been a stand-alone operating system, why boot it from DOS? Because of the compatibility and to give customers a free MS-DOS with the new shiny Windows? You don't say.) >> Japheth writes on his site that "HX's source code is about 100,000 >> lines of code" > > When in doubt download it and recount :-D Sorry, my little (C) program to automatically count lines only works with NASM source code ;-) Regards, Christian -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
> Warcraft II BNE version 2.01A runs in Windows 9x > and Windows XP. It was designed for 9x Try HX :-) > ReactOS is not useful at this point and even if 12 years done, 12 years ahead ;-) > it were it is not a DOS compatible replacement for Windows. > There is a lot of DOS based Windows software that is orphaned This is your primary problem: there is no "DOS based Windows software" at all. > What are you talking about? ReactOS is not about Windows Me The request of M.R. (NO, I don't understand it well ... or at all) > And Windows 3.x/9x is no DOS GUI from what point of view? They were sold as "OS" (what they aren't either) back then ... > Japheth writes on his site that "HX's source code is about 100,000 lines of > code" When in doubt download it and recount :-D -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
> probably (correct me if I'm wrong) even more > challenging than writing a dos kernel. I think you're right on that. For example, Japheth writes on his site that "HX's source code is about 100,000 lines of code", whereas the current RxDOS kernel Assembly source code is only around 35,000 lines (with 10,000 lines of that being only comments, assembler directives, blocks commented out with #IFDEF (NASM %IF) and such). So, ignoring which is "more difficult" to write, a full Windows replacement will certainly take much more work, just for the typing! > And FreeDOS's kernel has been > in development for much longer than 2 or 3 years and still isn't 100% > compatible to MS-DOS. Because that's not the goal of the kernel. Regards, Christian -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
>> I try to ask what is going to get done in the next release or when XYZ >> is >> going to get fixed and I get attacked. > > YES, but is cloning of Windaube ME on-topic here at all ? :-D What are you talking about? ReactOS is not about Windows Me at all, because Windows Me is effectively part of the Windows 9x line (and it's the best version of Windows 9x, except dropped "DOS mode" support). >> I agree here. A new GUI should not run exclusively on FreeDOS, because >> that's the Microsoft approach. Ideally, all programs should run on >> MS-DOS (or DR-DOS > > FreeDOS + EDR-DOS + RxDOS + ... > And create a DOS GUI, rather than a ME or NE clone ... And Windows 3.x/9x is no DOS GUI from what point of view? >> I would recommend to program your GUI in a way which makes in run >> on any DOS, using exclusively normal int 21 calls for which you >> can easily get documentation by reading a MSD > > INT $21 doesn't provide any GUI ... so you will need VESA + VGA BIOS > (+ VGA ports) or VGA + PCI ports > + some mouse support (INT $33 is unusable, so a new mouse driver > standard) Int21 doesn't provide any multitasking and file sharing stuff or patching of the system to do certain things like writing (virtual) "machine IDs" into SFTs. All found on Int2F, readily usable if you plan on writing either a Windows replacement (use 2F.16, 2F.1605 as call-out) or a generic "multitasker" (use 2F.16 except the call-out, there use a 2F.4B multitasker instead because you can't load Windows VxDs) for MS-DOS 5+. Regards, Christian -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
> HX DOS Extender does support VERY basic Win32 applications, but it is > somewhat of a hodgepodge. It's basically using the Windows NT form of > Win32 > as its base. If that could be refitted to work with Wine DLLs then it > would > make a lot of the work needed go by a lot faster. > > Then we would just need someone willing to write the user apps included > in > Windows 3.11. Either I've missed that HX now supports loading all Windows VxD drivers, or it still doesn't. Regards, Christian -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
> There is no reason for an MSDOS Windows replacement to be MSDOS > compatible. Except to run on MS-DOS as well. As said, it's Microsoft's method to write programs such that they only run with other Microsoft programs although there's no good reason why they shouldn't run with other vendor's programs as well. > Freedos doesn't > need to be munged to do those things that MS-DOS did that don't make > sense. I don't see where it currently does any such things, even in the "WINKERN" version. Sharing the "System File Tables" with all other virtual machines (DOS boxes) makes perfect sense because the DOS file I/O needs to be serialized anyway. > Need I remind people, you cannot legally run MS-DOS anymore. Get an old MS-DOS or Win9x license and you have your MS-DOS to run legally. > It's not > something you can legally > install to a system that never had MS-DOS. Uhm, why not? Regards, Christian -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
guest schreef: > I know about ReactOS, ReactOS is garbage right now. It will probably be > garbage for 2-3 more years. > Calling a project garbage is quite severe. If it's unusable for you or your goals, just indicate so but don't dismiss other people's efforts into getting something nice off the ground. ReactOS is slowly seeming to get somewhere, with finally some hardware support for storage controllers, networking, video (VESA, OpenGL rather than DirectX) and sound. Personally I'd love to have a free 150MB Win32 operating system which allows me to run World of Warcraft on a small but fast disk. > As far as Linux and Wine, Warcraft II BNE does not work under wine. If > I had the dos version, I could > use dosbox or freedos. Wine is not much better than ReactOS at > supporting Windows progams. Under > Wine, I have never gotten sound for example. On a less than 1 Ghz > machine, who wants to run Wine? > [ http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=592&iTestingId=15183 ] indicates that this game can be installed properly. Besides, the supported operating environmonts for this game are Macintosh (not OS-X I guess), Win9x and Windows NT. > Need I remind people, you cannot legally run MS-DOS anymore. It's not > something you can legally > install to a system that never had MS-DOS. MS-DOS is not freeware, > that's why Freedos exists > after all. > I think full retail versions of MSDOS have been available and can be installed to any single computer system if you own a licensed copy. As Microsoft dropped support and sales for MSDOS, you can usually no longer purchase a new copy indeed. Install any other DOS flavor you got a licensed copy of :) Most people run older operating systems inside virtual machines nowadays, which makes developing and testing things so much easier compared to real hardware 90% of the time (with the other 10% being a check for real world cases instead of ideal conditions). > I've tried to talk to the ReactOS community to find out when this or > that will be fixed or what is currently > being worked on, all it does is make people angry. > They are in alpha fase, trying to get a framework up and running, rather than your specific apps which require support all over the place. Per opensource model, the fastest way to get what you want is to contribute yourself rather than waiting for someone to implement certain parts you need. I'm still surprised you don't just use a Windows 9x license that you already have. It's highly unlikely any opensource project besides Wine would get support for Win3.x and Win9x applications. No idea about Windows XP compatibility modes I'm afraid. Goodluck creating a Win9x replacement if you're willing to put in such an effort to get your games running. -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
> I know about ReactOS, ReactOS is garbage right now. It will probably be > garbage for 2-3 more years. Realistically, writing a Windows 9x replacement for FreeDOS would take years, probably more than 2 or 3 because developers are hard to find and it's a huge project, probably (correct me if I'm wrong) even more challenging than writing a dos kernel. And FreeDOS's kernel has been in development for much longer than 2 or 3 years and still isn't 100% compatible to MS-DOS. I would recomment simply waiting for or helping out with ReactOS if you're interested in open-source Windows replacements. > There is no reason for an MSDOS Windows replacement to be MSDOS > compatible. Freedos doesn't > need to be munged to do those things that MS-DOS did that don't make sense. > > As far as Linux and Wine, Warcraft II BNE does not work under wine. If > I had the dos version, I could > use dosbox or freedos. Wine is not much better than ReactOS at > supporting Windows progams. Under > Wine, I have never gotten sound for example. On a less than 1 Ghz > machine, who wants to run Wine? > > Need I remind people, you cannot legally run MS-DOS anymore. It's not > something you can legally > install to a system that never had MS-DOS. MS-DOS is not freeware, > that's why Freedos exists > after all. > > I've tried to talk to the ReactOS community to find out when this or > that will be fixed or what is currently > being worked on, all it does is make people angry. > > -- > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > server and web deployment. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
> being worked on, all it does is make people angry. > > Because you are unable to describe your problem in a way > understandable to other people ;-) It's not that simple. Asking questions about when XYZ will work or what is being worked on raises people's ire because they can't give good answers, or so I'm told. The ReactOS newsletters stink, they are short leaving you with more questions than answers. There seems to be a shortage of dedicated developers for the ReactOS project and the problems the project is running into appear to be extremely difficult to solve ( meaning they will be time intensive ). Warcraft II BNE version 2.01A runs in Windows 9x and Windows XP. It was designed for 9x, which shows when you install it to XP and you have to be Administrator to play it. I would prefer to be able to play it under Freedos. I also have a program called Drivewire that allows my COCO 3 via the serial port to use my PCs hard drive like it's a disk drive. There's a Linux version, but the old machine I use is too slow for that and Linux doesn't support W2BNE without emulation of some kind ( processor intensive ). There is another program I like, Red Alert Command and Conquer Windows 95 edition, that only runs in Windows 9x. I would love to have a clone of Windows 9x handy that runs on top of Freedos so that I don't have to dual boot and I don't have to worry about licensing. I am not interested in a Windows 9x clone being MS-DOS compatible as I won't be running it on top of MS-DOS. Freedos should be better than MS-DOS where adding an MS-DOS compatible GUI might create a problem. I realize that a Windows 9x replacement for Freedos is a down the road sort of thing. I also hear people who complain that this is just DOS and not Windows. ReactOS is not useful at this point and even if it were it is not a DOS compatible replacement for Windows. There is a lot of DOS based Windows software that is orphaned because Microsoft switched everyone over to NT. The ReactOS project, originally called something else, was going to clone Windows 95. Asking for a clone of Windows 9x or 3.x is another way to make the ReactOS community extremely angry with you these days. Where is dos based Windows relevant? The ReactOS community doesn't want to discuss it. I naturally assumed that the Freedos community feels differently. Was I wrong? -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
> One example is Warcraft II Battle Net edition. A better example is Red > Alert Command and Conquer I. Wolfenstein 3D and Blake Stone don't work > properly in freedos needing either Windows 9x's version of DOS or MS-DOS. Why don't you write more about the stuff ??? Release date, system requirements, ... Do you want to use them in FreeDOS at all ? > I try to ask what is going to get done in the next release or when XYZ is > going to get fixed and I get attacked. YES, but is cloning of Windaube ME on-topic here at all ? :-D > ReactOS is developing very slowly, there are not enough developers. > It could take years to get to 0.5. There's no telling when 1.0 will come out. I am unable to reproduce your problem, not related to FreeDOS at all, and ROS forum is full of such posts ;-) > So, how are efforts to replace Windows 9x coming along? > Theoretically, freedos could support an open source replacement. but then i would put FreeDOS on my CRAP LIST > I agree here. A new GUI should not run exclusively on FreeDOS, because > that's the Microsoft approach. Ideally, all programs should run on MS-DOS (or > DR-DOS FreeDOS + EDR-DOS + RxDOS + ... And create a DOS GUI, rather than a ME or NE clone ... > I would recommend to program your GUI in a way which makes in run > on any DOS, using exclusively normal int 21 calls for which you > can easily get documentation by reading a MSD INT $21 doesn't provide any GUI ... so you will need VESA + VGA BIOS (+ VGA ports) or VGA + PCI ports + some mouse support (INT $33 is unusable, so a new mouse driver standard) > Your GUI could also abstract all DOS access from the graphical > apps. Then your apps only talk to your GUI and the GUI talks to > DOS, taking care that DOS only has to deal with one client, the > GUI itself. Should be elegant YES :-) > If you want to run Windows programs in a free way, try the HX > extender from Japheth YES :-) Robinson wrote: > First off, would I be asking for a freedos compatible Windows > replacement if I could just use ReactOS? I don't know what you expect at all ... > I know about ReactOS, ReactOS is garbage right now. OK, get XP (pay or pirate) and use it for you in private ... > There is no reason for an MSDOS Windows replacement to be MSDOS > compatible. Freedos doesn't > need to be munged to do those things that MS-DOS did that don't make sense. ??? > As far as Linux and Wine, Warcraft II BNE does not work under wine. Is it a DOS EXE or Win16 NE or Win32 PE GUI or what ??? > On a less than 1 Ghz machine, who wants to run Wine? I don't, sorry > Need I remind people, you cannot legally run MS-DOS anymore. You can if you got it legally 25 years ago ... for example I can't ;-) > It's not something you can legally install to a system that > never had MS-DOS. MS-DOS is not freeware, > that's why Freedos exists after all. Exactly :-) > being worked on, all it does is make people angry. Because you are unable to describe your problem in a way understandable to other people ;-) -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement
Hi all Although I am now using FreeDos, this statement is incorrect quote:Need I remind people, you cannot legally run MS-DOS anymore. If you have bought a legal copy of MS-Dos a zillion years ago, today you can still make bootable disks legally, and I have done that for the last 20 years. Regards -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:00 PM, guest wrote: > First off, would I be asking for a freedos compatible Windows > replacement if I could just use ReactOS? > > I know about ReactOS, ReactOS is garbage right now. It will probably be > garbage for 2-3 more years. > There is no reason for an MSDOS Windows replacement to be MSDOS > compatible. Freedos doesn't > need to be munged to do those things that MS-DOS did that don't make sense. > > As far as Linux and Wine, Warcraft II BNE does not work under wine. If > I had the dos version, I could > use dosbox or freedos. Wine is not much better than ReactOS at > supporting Windows progams. Under > Wine, I have never gotten sound for example. On a less than 1 Ghz > machine, who wants to run Wine? > > Need I remind people, you cannot legally run MS-DOS anymore. It's not > something you can legally > install to a system that never had MS-DOS. MS-DOS is not freeware, > that's why Freedos exists > after all. > > I've tried to talk to the ReactOS community to find out when this or > that will be fixed or what is currently > being worked on, all it does is make people angry. > > It seems that talking about ReactOS's future makes the leaders rather angry. Maybe they see uncertainty in the project's future? It did have a rocky start. Also, ReactOS is a shambles, full of hacks and little tweaks to try to get the kernel in a workable state. The user-level DLLs are almost entirely inherited from the Wine Project. If someone were to design a Windows GUI replacement, being able to effectively use the Wine DLLs would speed up the process considerably. Compared to Windows NT, which the essential design of ReactOS comes from, Windows 3.11 and Windows 9x are relatively simple at the lower level. Replicating the Windows 3.11 lower level and then plugging in Wine DLLs, and finally adding in the Program Manager, etc. should result in something remotely stable. HX DOS Extender does support VERY basic Win32 applications, but it is somewhat of a hodgepodge. It's basically using the Windows NT form of Win32 as its base. If that could be refitted to work with Wine DLLs then it would make a lot of the work needed go by a lot faster. Then we would just need someone willing to write the user apps included in Windows 3.11. -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
First off, would I be asking for a freedos compatible Windows replacement if I could just use ReactOS? I know about ReactOS, ReactOS is garbage right now. It will probably be garbage for 2-3 more years. There is no reason for an MSDOS Windows replacement to be MSDOS compatible. Freedos doesn't need to be munged to do those things that MS-DOS did that don't make sense. As far as Linux and Wine, Warcraft II BNE does not work under wine. If I had the dos version, I could use dosbox or freedos. Wine is not much better than ReactOS at supporting Windows progams. Under Wine, I have never gotten sound for example. On a less than 1 Ghz machine, who wants to run Wine? Need I remind people, you cannot legally run MS-DOS anymore. It's not something you can legally install to a system that never had MS-DOS. MS-DOS is not freeware, that's why Freedos exists after all. I've tried to talk to the ReactOS community to find out when this or that will be fixed or what is currently being worked on, all it does is make people angry. -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
As I understand there are two different requests 1- Substitute for the GUI win9x environment. This is made better by reactos and wine 2- Sustitute for DOS-Mode Win9x to run some programs not compatibles with current FreeDOS. This is more feasible. This included support for undocumented ms-dos features. 2009/6/11, Eric Auer : > > Hi guys, > >> I agree here. A new GUI should not run exclusively on FreeDOS... >> I think asking the FreeDOS (kernel) developers to provide technical >> information about DOS, while not tying the program to FreeDOS... > > I would recommend to program your GUI in a way which makes in run > on any DOS, using exclusively normal int 21 calls for which you > can easily get documentation by reading a MSDOS book or website. > >> Speaking of a Windows replacement, it could be handy to use some of the >> Windows (3.x) support already embedded into MS-DOS... > > Windows 3, in 386enh mode, uses some relatively documented things > to hide task swapping or even multitasking from the kernel(?), as > a DOS kernel does not support reentrancy. I assume you could also > write some sort of wrapper which just makes sure that int 21 calls > by different tasks cannot happen at the same time, making life a > lot easier for DOS. Of course that would reduce performance a bit. > > WfW 3.11 goes the other direction by using more knowledge about > more badly documented internal details of the kernel to squeeze > out more performance, I guess. Which forces DOS versions who > want to be compatible to behave as if their inner working would > be very similar to MS DOS. > > Your GUI could also abstract all DOS access from the graphical > apps. Then your apps only talk to your GUI and the GUI talks to > DOS, taking care that DOS only has to deal with one client, the > GUI itself. Should be elegant :-). > > If you want to run Windows programs in a free way, try the HX > extender from Japheth or of course try ReactOS or Wine in Linux. > It really takes much effort to find a PC which is too old for > Wine and a lightweight Linux version, which makes the whole idea > of writing yet another (this time standalone) Windows emulator > somewhat less useful ;-). > > Eric > > > -- > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > server and web deployment. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Marco A. Achury Tel: +58-(212)-6158777 Cel: +58-(414)-3142282 Fax: +58-(212)-2410828 Skype: marcoachury www.geocities.com/marcoachury -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
Hi guys, > I agree here. A new GUI should not run exclusively on FreeDOS... > I think asking the FreeDOS (kernel) developers to provide technical > information about DOS, while not tying the program to FreeDOS... I would recommend to program your GUI in a way which makes in run on any DOS, using exclusively normal int 21 calls for which you can easily get documentation by reading a MSDOS book or website. > Speaking of a Windows replacement, it could be handy to use some of the > Windows (3.x) support already embedded into MS-DOS... Windows 3, in 386enh mode, uses some relatively documented things to hide task swapping or even multitasking from the kernel(?), as a DOS kernel does not support reentrancy. I assume you could also write some sort of wrapper which just makes sure that int 21 calls by different tasks cannot happen at the same time, making life a lot easier for DOS. Of course that would reduce performance a bit. WfW 3.11 goes the other direction by using more knowledge about more badly documented internal details of the kernel to squeeze out more performance, I guess. Which forces DOS versions who want to be compatible to behave as if their inner working would be very similar to MS DOS. Your GUI could also abstract all DOS access from the graphical apps. Then your apps only talk to your GUI and the GUI talks to DOS, taking care that DOS only has to deal with one client, the GUI itself. Should be elegant :-). If you want to run Windows programs in a free way, try the HX extender from Japheth or of course try ReactOS or Wine in Linux. It really takes much effort to find a PC which is too old for Wine and a lightweight Linux version, which makes the whole idea of writing yet another (this time standalone) Windows emulator somewhat less useful ;-). Eric -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
>> Theoretically, freedos could support an open source replacement. > > And in my opinion, the only involvement FreeDOS should have is to > ensure that any such open source project would have access to whatever > they need to run, just like any other DOS application. That is, it > should be a separate project. I agree here. A new GUI should not run exclusively on FreeDOS, because that's the Microsoft approach. Ideally, all programs should run on MS-DOS (or DR-DOS or...) as well, or failing that there should exist an adjusted version or a driver that makes the program work on the other DOS versions. I think asking the FreeDOS (kernel) developers to provide technical information about DOS, while not tying the program to FreeDOS specifics, would be most useful to achieve this. Speaking of a Windows replacement, it could be handy to use some of the Windows (3.x) support already embedded into MS-DOS (this is all undocumented by Microsoft, but became "documented undocumented" by UDOS, RBIL and other sources). Regards, Christian -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
Well, I'm not sure that I want to put anything quite like this on the FreeDOS roadmap. The effort involved in something like this is about the same as it is for ReactOS. And it isn't the basic Windows DLLs, but all the support DLLs that are necessary for applications to run properly. To be honest, we just don't have the developers needed to get something like this out in a reasonable time frame. Even if we started out with something like WINE, there still a very large effort needed to make it work on top of FreeDOS. Now, if there's anyone out there who wants to prove me wrong, feel free. I'll be glad to give your effort a home in the FreeDOS project ;-) Pat On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Michael Robinson wrote: > Most people find that they don't need Windows 3.x, but a lot of software > needs Windows 9x that won't work properly or at all in Windows NT and > it's variants XP/2000/Vista/7 etcetera. > > One example is Warcraft II Battle Net edition. A better example is Red > Alert Command and Conquer I. Wolfenstein 3D and Blake Stone don't work > properly in freedos needing either Windows 9x's version of DOS or > MS-DOS. > > I hear about people needing Windows 9x for Garmin GPS software and > Mapinfo. Well, Windows 98 second edition is fairly unstable. The > ME version of Windows is also unstable and the version of Dos under > it is kinda hokey I understand. Worse, 98SE is proprietary software > which you are supposed to have a license for. Never mind that these > days people tend to install 98SE under vmware and don't worry about > licensing. > > ReactOS is not a replacement for Windows on top of DOS, it is a > replacement for NT that may never become stable. I try to ask > what is going to get done in the next release or when XYZ is > going to get fixed and I get attacked. ReactOS is developing > very slowly, there are not enough developers. It could take > years to get to 0.5. There's no telling when 1.0 will come > out. > > So, how are efforts to replace Windows 9x coming along? Theoretically, > freedos could support an open source replacement. > > > -- > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > server and web deployment. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Michael Robinson wrote: > So, how are efforts to replace Windows 9x coming along? Theoretically, > freedos could support an open source replacement. AFAIK, there is no effort to do this at all. Feel free to educate me on that, though. And in my opinion, the only involvement FreeDOS should have is to ensure that any such open source project would have access to whatever they need to run, just like any other DOS application. That is, it should be a separate project. Chris -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] A windows 9x replacement...
Most people find that they don't need Windows 3.x, but a lot of software needs Windows 9x that won't work properly or at all in Windows NT and it's variants XP/2000/Vista/7 etcetera. One example is Warcraft II Battle Net edition. A better example is Red Alert Command and Conquer I. Wolfenstein 3D and Blake Stone don't work properly in freedos needing either Windows 9x's version of DOS or MS-DOS. I hear about people needing Windows 9x for Garmin GPS software and Mapinfo. Well, Windows 98 second edition is fairly unstable. The ME version of Windows is also unstable and the version of Dos under it is kinda hokey I understand. Worse, 98SE is proprietary software which you are supposed to have a license for. Never mind that these days people tend to install 98SE under vmware and don't worry about licensing. ReactOS is not a replacement for Windows on top of DOS, it is a replacement for NT that may never become stable. I try to ask what is going to get done in the next release or when XYZ is going to get fixed and I get attacked. ReactOS is developing very slowly, there are not enough developers. It could take years to get to 0.5. There's no telling when 1.0 will come out. So, how are efforts to replace Windows 9x coming along? Theoretically, freedos could support an open source replacement. -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
