Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?
Got a chance to find the links I was thinking of [0][1]. [0] http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/mix_entry.php?id=14645 [1] http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/mix_entry.php?id=11947 On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Louis Santillanwrote: > I think someone on Bttr has such an emulation sound driver for Intel hda or > ac97. > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 4:11 PM wrote: >> >> Hi Tom! >> >> >> >> As I understand it you cannot really make any use of initialized sound >> >> hardware in DOS except for a few -- very few -- programs that are aware >> >> of this very specific sound hardware. >> >> >> >> You may have noticed that /back in the old days/ every program/game had >> >> to be configured for the specific sound card in order to use it. Even >> >> within a family of sound cards there were incompatibilities. For >> >> example, games that ware written for Sound Blaster 1.0 (aka Game >> >> Blaster) und Sound Blaster 2.0 were not able to produce SoundBlaster >> >> sound on a more modern Sound Blaster Pro or Sound Blaster 16. >> >> >> >> The reason for this is very simple: there is no standardized sound API >> >> on DOS. So every sound card and driver created its own API and every >> >> application has to be written to support this very sound card (series). >> >> >> >> The only solution for /modern DOS/ would be to write an emulation for a >> >> well supported sound card for older programs and games. That would be, >> >> say, a SB16 emulation driver for AC97 and HD-Audio on-board sound cards. >> >> So every DOS program/game would see the well supported SB16 and -- if >> >> supported by this very program or game -- would be able to use it >> >> through the emulation. I think this is how DOSBox does support sound. >> >> >> >> If you do find a practical solution though -- I would be interested too! >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> userbeitrag >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2016-12-18 23:58, Thomas Mueller wrote: >> >> > Do such programs to init the sound hardware work with all sound >> > hardware? >> >> > I have on-motherboard Intel high-definition audio and remember reading >> > on this emailing list that it was not supported in any DOS. >> >> > >> >> > I get sound in FreeBSD and NetBSD. >> >> > >> >> > Tom >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> >> engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> >> ___ >> >> Freedos-user mailing list >> >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > -- Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. Training and support from Colfax. Order your platform today.http://sdm.link/intel ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?
Hi Userbeitrag, > The only solution for /modern DOS/ would be to write an emulation for a > well supported sound card for older programs and games. That would be, > say, a SB16 emulation driver for AC97 and HD-Audio on-board sound cards. > So every DOS program/game would see the well supported SB16 and -- if > supported by this very program or game -- would be able to use it > through the emulation. I think this is how DOSBox does support sound. Yes and no... Dosbox and Dosemu use protected mode to simulate PC specific hardware, but they are not drivers. They are whole virtual simulation environments. On the other hand, "SB PCI" and "SB Live" did indeed use protected mode "drivers" where at least some of the differences between actual hardware (mostly AC97 PCI chips) and what games expected (usually SoundBlaster in ISA variants) were compensated by simulation: The protected mode "driver" intercepted attempts of the games to manipulate the ISA hardware, made the games see what they had to see and sent the sound data to the actual PCI hardware. There are very few open source drivers in that style: I am only aware of the "VSB" Virtual Sound Blaster package which is limited to very minimal SoundBlaster variants (1.0? 2.0? 8 bit?) and does not support DOS extenders as far as I remember. So only real mode games which accept vm86 mode limitations did work, I think... I have mirrored an old version at www.auersoft.eu/soft/by-others/ Regards, Eric -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?
I think someone on Bttr has such an emulation sound driver for Intel hda or ac97. On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 4:11 PMwrote: > Hi Tom! > > > > As I understand it you cannot really make any use of initialized sound > > hardware in DOS except for a few -- very few -- programs that are aware > > of this very specific sound hardware. > > > > You may have noticed that /back in the old days/ every program/game had > > to be configured for the specific sound card in order to use it. Even > > within a family of sound cards there were incompatibilities. For > > example, games that ware written for Sound Blaster 1.0 (aka Game > > Blaster) und Sound Blaster 2.0 were not able to produce SoundBlaster > > sound on a more modern Sound Blaster Pro or Sound Blaster 16. > > > > The reason for this is very simple: there is no standardized sound API > > on DOS. So every sound card and driver created its own API and every > > application has to be written to support this very sound card (series). > > > > The only solution for /modern DOS/ would be to write an emulation for a > > well supported sound card for older programs and games. That would be, > > say, a SB16 emulation driver for AC97 and HD-Audio on-board sound cards. > > So every DOS program/game would see the well supported SB16 and -- if > > supported by this very program or game -- would be able to use it > > through the emulation. I think this is how DOSBox does support sound. > > > > If you do find a practical solution though -- I would be interested too! > > > > Cheers, > > userbeitrag > > > > > > On 2016-12-18 23:58, Thomas Mueller wrote: > > > Do such programs to init the sound hardware work with all sound hardware? > > > I have on-motherboard Intel high-definition audio and remember reading > on this emailing list that it was not supported in any DOS. > > > > > > I get sound in FreeBSD and NetBSD. > > > > > > Tom > > > > > -- > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > ___ > > Freedos-user mailing list > > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?
Hi Tom! As I understand it you cannot really make any use of initialized sound hardware in DOS except for a few -- very few -- programs that are aware of this very specific sound hardware. You may have noticed that /back in the old days/ every program/game had to be configured for the specific sound card in order to use it. Even within a family of sound cards there were incompatibilities. For example, games that ware written for Sound Blaster 1.0 (aka Game Blaster) und Sound Blaster 2.0 were not able to produce SoundBlaster sound on a more modern Sound Blaster Pro or Sound Blaster 16. The reason for this is very simple: there is no standardized sound API on DOS. So every sound card and driver created its own API and every application has to be written to support this very sound card (series). The only solution for /modern DOS/ would be to write an emulation for a well supported sound card for older programs and games. That would be, say, a SB16 emulation driver for AC97 and HD-Audio on-board sound cards. So every DOS program/game would see the well supported SB16 and -- if supported by this very program or game -- would be able to use it through the emulation. I think this is how DOSBox does support sound. If you do find a practical solution though -- I would be interested too! Cheers, userbeitrag On 2016-12-18 23:58, Thomas Mueller wrote: > Do such programs to init the sound hardware work with all sound hardware? > I have on-motherboard Intel high-definition audio and remember reading on > this emailing list that it was not supported in any DOS. > > I get sound in FreeBSD and NetBSD. > > Tom -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?
from Eric Auer: > > - I have just managed to find a Disney Sound Source on eBay, how > > compatible is FreeDOS with MS-DOS drivers? I hope it would work on > > FreeDOS... > There are no real DOS sound DRIVERS on most systems: > > Just programs to init the sound hardware and driver > libraries IN games to output sound. Those should work > equally well with ALL variants of DOS :-) Note that > PCI soundcards sometimes have protected mode virtual > drivers which simulate SoundBlaster from the point > of view of your game, while the real hardware uses > for example AC97. Those will need special settings > for our EMM386 style drivers (read docs) and they > will also only work with games with no or at least > only with "tame" compatible DOS extenders. Do such programs to init the sound hardware work with all sound hardware? I have on-motherboard Intel high-definition audio and remember reading on this emailing list that it was not supported in any DOS. I get sound in FreeBSD and NetBSD. Tom -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?
Hi, On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:23 AM, Mingcong Baiwrote: > 在 2016年12月17日 21:21, Rugxulo 写道: >> >> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Mingcong Bai wrote: >>> >>> But FreeDOS seemed to have CD installation only... Is it possible to >>> install FreeDOS with a set of floppy disks still? If not, what are my >>> options? >> You mean that old bunch of like 88 floppy images for full FD 1.0?? Uh, >> no, that hasn't been attempted this time, probably overkill. > > I must admit that I had no idea how complete a suite of FreeDOS is... > That makes sense. Most of that bloat wasn't FreeDOS proper, just third-party games and tools. Most of that is still mirrored on iBiblio.org under /pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/ (if you still want it later). >> Truly, you don't always absolutely need all the extras (networking, >> games, archivers, development). > > Okay... After the installation then would be a lot of playing with > floppy disks. Unavoidable if you don't have other ways of getting the files. But it's not as bad as it sounds. Certainly you can grab some useful stuff in well under ten floppies. >> In other words, such CJK languages probably need their own TSRs or >> tools in order to use graphics mode (instead of limited text mode). >> There is however no active support (AFAIK) in FreeDOS for any CJK. > > That's exactly how it worked for MS-DOS, when I read about some > information on the FreeDOS Wikipedia page regarding > "internationalization" I thought FreeDOS already had Unicode display > support. Oh well... I will try and get in touch with someone soon. No explicit Unicode or CJK support, no, sorry. The tools I mentioned (and good old-fashioned codepages for non-CJK) are all we've got for the foreseeable future. > Thanks for all your answers though, just a couple more questions... > > - I have just managed to find a Disney Sound Source on eBay, how > compatible is FreeDOS with MS-DOS drivers? I hope it would work on > FreeDOS... Sound is the weakest link in DOS, esp. since (as Eric said) it's usually bundled with the games themselves. So there is some partial support in some few third-party commercial games for such a card, but it's far from universal "DOS support". DOS does sometimes have system drivers (.SYS), and most of those should work with FreeDOS unchanged, if you need it, but overall sound support is just not a strong suit. There is no intentional incompatibility here, but a few bugs may still linger in some dark corners. > - How does "version upgrade" work for FreeDOS? Do I have to overwrite my > installation every time, or is there update/upgrade mechanism built it? Jerome's installer does some work behind the scenes, but overall there is no good way to auto-upgrade DOS itself. You'll normally still have to copy things manually (and delete / reinstall other pieces, if desired). There is no intention to literally automate everything. You're still expected to be willing to heavily fiddle with it yourself. Mateusz's package manager was already mentioned, but there's not a lot of work done (yet) to build such updated packages, so you don't have much to upgrade yet anyways. Overall, FreeDOS is fairly stable and not undergoing drastic changes, so while a lot of little things have indeed changed over the years, the major infrastructure hasn't been incompatibly broken or rewritten. Dreams for a 64-bit SMP multitasking Unicode version are not realistic. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?
Hi Rugxulo, > Regarding PCMCIA hard disks, I think Deskwork.de (defunct?) had once > made public some partial DOS support (TP "unit") that was > semi-archived by one FreeDOS enthusiast: > > http://ericauer.cosmodata.virtuaserver.com.br/soft/by-others/ Note that the Cosmodata mirror should only be used when there are technical problems with the main site, to avoid wasting bandwidth in Brazil. So please use the following link instead: https://www.auersoft.eu/soft/by-others/ You probably mean the "DeskWork PCMCIA Unit" source code. This is a source-only donation of code: FreeDOS experts are invited to use it when building PCMCIA drivers, but the sources are no complete driver themselves. Deskwork was a graphical user interface for DOS and Windows in style of Star Trek consoles. It also included native apps and some drivers, so it was more than just a GUI. There are a few YouTube videos of the software in action, for example in QEMU: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaSgLKptnrk (that user apparently did everything by keyboard - DOS fan :-)) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_VoM8An6v8 (old interview: main developer, more graphical demo of the GUI) Cheers, Eric -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?
Hi! FreeDOS with only those components which mimick parts of MS DOS will easily fit on 1, 2 or 3 diskettes of 1.44 MB each, depending on whether you want to have full documentation and translations included. FreeDOS on CD also includes lots of other free software :-) > - I have just managed to find a Disney Sound Source on eBay, how > compatible is FreeDOS with MS-DOS drivers? I hope it would work on > FreeDOS... There are no real DOS sound DRIVERS on most systems: Just programs to init the sound hardware and driver libraries IN games to output sound. Those should work equally well with ALL variants of DOS :-) Note that PCI soundcards sometimes have protected mode virtual drivers which simulate SoundBlaster from the point of view of your game, while the real hardware uses for example AC97. Those will need special settings for our EMM386 style drivers (read docs) and they will also only work with games with no or at least only with "tame" compatible DOS extenders. > - How does "version upgrade" work for FreeDOS? Do I have to overwrite my > installation every time, or is there update/upgrade mechanism built it? We have package managers, so you can replace programs by newer versions of the programs smoothly, I think. Cheers, Eric -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?
在 2016年12月17日 21:21, Rugxulo 写道: > Hi, > > On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Mingcong Baiwrote: >> I happen to have a ThinkPad 340 kicking around: >> >> - Intel 486SLC2 25/50MHz >> - 12MB RAM >> - 3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy Drive >> >> But FreeDOS seemed to have CD installation only... Is it possible to >> install FreeDOS with a set of floppy disks still? If not, what are my >> options? > You mean that old bunch of like 88 floppy images for full FD 1.0?? Uh, > no, that hasn't been attempted this time, probably overkill. I must admit that I had no idea how complete a suite of FreeDOS is... That makes sense. > FreeDOS is just a simple DOS, so bare minimum installation from floppy > is easy (fdisk, fdapm warmboot, format, sys, xcopy). Of course that > won't give you all third party software or even a full FD "BASE", but > it will boot up (giving you at least a kernel, shell, and > partition/MBR/boot sector). You can piecemeal add whatever you want. > Truly, you don't always absolutely need all the extras (networking, > games, archivers, development). Okay... After the installation then would be a lot of playing with floppy disks. > Do you have a working packet driver for networking for that machine? > (My own MetaDOS floppy heavily relies on that, but it works fine under > VBox or QEMU. So you can download there first and rawrite to physical > disk later.) If so, that would make things a lot easier. IIRC, one way > to halfway tell what card was "pcisleep q02" (or maybe NSSI or similar > tool). > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/metados/ > > Most other floppy image files are very old and abandoned. If you just > need "whatever", I could point you to various ones, like I did on the > bug tracker: > > * https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/bugs/143/ > * https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/bugs/129/ > > But FD 1.2 RC2 has a bootable floppy installer (thanks to Jerome): > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/previews/1.2-rc2/FD12FLOPPY.zip > > And Mateusz recently made his own Svarog86 floppy images: > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/svarog86/files/2015-05-29/ > > Or if you could copy the .iso to the hard drive (via another > computer), then you could then mount it via SHSUCDHD (I think). > > http://adoxa.altervista.org/shsucdx/index.html > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/shsucdx/other/ Cool. >> Oh also, I am a native Simplified Chinese user/speaker, there doesn't >> seem to be any translation for CJKV (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, >> Vietnamese) locales yet - is it not supported or just no one had gone in >> and translate FreeDOS to these particular languages? > Not sure exactly, you'd have to ask Henrique, the resident codepage > expert (or maybe Wengier Wu on BTTR). Most of here don't grok such CJK > languages, and IIRC there is no (fully working?) support for DBCS > (unlike MS-DOS). > > IIRC, the typical DOS codepage doesn't hold many glyphs, so it's too > small for most non-European (non-Roman alphabet) languages (but maybe > some Cyrillic support). There are some minor workarounds (maybe), but > most of us aren't qualified to test them. > > As far as Chinese (viewing only?), take a look here: > > https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/file/pg/libs/ > > Or Foxtype (viewing only): > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/util/foxtype.zip > > We did have a (theoretical only, albeit with a few third-party links) > discussion a few years ago about Japanese support (freedos-user, date: > Nov. 8, 2013, subject: "FreeDOS/V"): > > https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/mailman/freedos-user/thread/559d6bb6.6000...@gmail.com/ > > In other words, such CJK languages probably need their own TSRs or > tools in order to use graphics mode (instead of limited text mode). > There is however no active support (AFAIK) in FreeDOS for any CJK. That's exactly how it worked for MS-DOS, when I read about some information on the FreeDOS Wikipedia page regarding "internationalization" I thought FreeDOS already had Unicode display support. Oh well... I will try and get in touch with someone soon. > You can still write Unicode stuff with various DOS ports, e.g. Mined > or GNU Emacs or Blocek (gfx). It's not universal DOS system support by > any means, but it's far better than nothing. GNU Nano all the way! Thanks for all your answers though, just a couple more questions... - I have just managed to find a Disney Sound Source on eBay, how compatible is FreeDOS with MS-DOS drivers? I hope it would work on FreeDOS... - How does "version upgrade" work for FreeDOS? Do I have to overwrite my installation every time, or is there update/upgrade mechanism built it? Best Regards, Mingcong Bai -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging
Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?
Hi, On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Mingcong Baiwrote: > > Oh also... If I have a Panasonic PCMCIA CD-ROM Drive, would I be able to > use it with FreeDOS (then I suppose that I could burn the ISO image and > boot it from the boot floppy...? If the driver works...). I'm not a hardware guy, so I've never tested most of this low-level stuff. There's too many options. But I can give a few links: * http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/about.html * http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=smbtmgr " Smart BootManager supports booting from almost all kinds of IDE ATAPI CD-ROMs, including PCMCIA CD-ROMs. You can let the BIOS boot from C: only and assign a password for it, then you can boot from CD-ROM with Smart BootManager. If you have a laptop with a special PCMCIA CD-ROM which has no support for booting in the BIOS, Smart BootManager can help you boot from it. " There's also this potential method: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Torito_%28CD-ROM_standard%29 * http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=MEMDISK#MEMDISK_and_generic_El_Torito_CD-ROM_driver_for_DOS * http://wiki.osdev.org/El-Torito Normally DOS requires a separate (device-specific) driver for CD access, which can be hard to find for old devices (or even new ones). We don't officially have a lot, and the last one we had was (more or less) "abandoned" (closed source) some two years ago: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/ellis/ Some people (also) recommend VIDE-CDD (or OAKCDROM), but I'm unsure of the exact legality of using those (obviously depending on licensing and your country's local laws). Regarding PCMCIA hard disks, I think Deskwork.de (defunct?) had once made public some partial DOS support (TP "unit") that was semi-archived by one FreeDOS enthusiast: http://ericauer.cosmodata.virtuaserver.com.br/soft/by-others/ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?
Hi, On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Mingcong Baiwrote: > > I happen to have a ThinkPad 340 kicking around: > > - Intel 486SLC2 25/50MHz > - 12MB RAM > - 3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy Drive > > But FreeDOS seemed to have CD installation only... Is it possible to > install FreeDOS with a set of floppy disks still? If not, what are my > options? You mean that old bunch of like 88 floppy images for full FD 1.0?? Uh, no, that hasn't been attempted this time, probably overkill. FreeDOS is just a simple DOS, so bare minimum installation from floppy is easy (fdisk, fdapm warmboot, format, sys, xcopy). Of course that won't give you all third party software or even a full FD "BASE", but it will boot up (giving you at least a kernel, shell, and partition/MBR/boot sector). You can piecemeal add whatever you want. Truly, you don't always absolutely need all the extras (networking, games, archivers, development). Do you have a working packet driver for networking for that machine? (My own MetaDOS floppy heavily relies on that, but it works fine under VBox or QEMU. So you can download there first and rawrite to physical disk later.) If so, that would make things a lot easier. IIRC, one way to halfway tell what card was "pcisleep q02" (or maybe NSSI or similar tool). http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/metados/ Most other floppy image files are very old and abandoned. If you just need "whatever", I could point you to various ones, like I did on the bug tracker: * https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/bugs/143/ * https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/bugs/129/ But FD 1.2 RC2 has a bootable floppy installer (thanks to Jerome): http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/previews/1.2-rc2/FD12FLOPPY.zip And Mateusz recently made his own Svarog86 floppy images: https://sourceforge.net/projects/svarog86/files/2015-05-29/ Or if you could copy the .iso to the hard drive (via another computer), then you could then mount it via SHSUCDHD (I think). http://adoxa.altervista.org/shsucdx/index.html http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/shsucdx/other/ > Oh also, I am a native Simplified Chinese user/speaker, there doesn't > seem to be any translation for CJKV (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, > Vietnamese) locales yet - is it not supported or just no one had gone in > and translate FreeDOS to these particular languages? Not sure exactly, you'd have to ask Henrique, the resident codepage expert (or maybe Wengier Wu on BTTR). Most of here don't grok such CJK languages, and IIRC there is no (fully working?) support for DBCS (unlike MS-DOS). IIRC, the typical DOS codepage doesn't hold many glyphs, so it's too small for most non-European (non-Roman alphabet) languages (but maybe some Cyrillic support). There are some minor workarounds (maybe), but most of us aren't qualified to test them. As far as Chinese (viewing only?), take a look here: https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/file/pg/libs/ Or Foxtype (viewing only): http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/util/foxtype.zip We did have a (theoretical only, albeit with a few third-party links) discussion a few years ago about Japanese support (freedos-user, date: Nov. 8, 2013, subject: "FreeDOS/V"): https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/mailman/freedos-user/thread/559d6bb6.6000...@gmail.com/ In other words, such CJK languages probably need their own TSRs or tools in order to use graphics mode (instead of limited text mode). There is however no active support (AFAIK) in FreeDOS for any CJK. You can still write Unicode stuff with various DOS ports, e.g. Mined or GNU Emacs or Blocek (gfx). It's not universal DOS system support by any means, but it's far better than nothing. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installation on a ThinkPad 340?
Oh also... If I have a Panasonic PCMCIA CD-ROM Drive, would I be able to use it with FreeDOS (then I suppose that I could burn the ISO image and boot it from the boot floppy...? If the driver works...). 在 2016年12月17日 14:55, Mingcong Bai 写道: > Hi all, > > > I happen to have a ThinkPad 340 kicking around: > > > - Intel 486SLC2 25/50MHz > > - 12MB RAM > > - ... > > - 3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy Drive > > > But FreeDOS seemed to have CD installation only... Is it possible to > install FreeDOS with a set of floppy disks still? If not, what are my > options? > > > Oh also, I am a native Simplified Chinese user/speaker, there doesn't > seem to be any translation for CJKV (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, > Vietnamese) locales yet - is it not supported or just no one had gone > in and translate FreeDOS to these particular languages? > > > Best Regards, > > Mingcong Bai > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user